That didnt take long...

[MHettel]

remind me who it was on this message board that kept saying that the NIL and Immediate transfer rules would NOT result in any significant changes to the College Sports Landscape?

I kept harping on it and was being told that nothing would change and that I'm overreacting. I plan to just keep posting these little tidbits until the "doubters" want to reengage on the topic...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38042106/lane-kiffin-says-state-college-football-disaster

[94GRAD]

remind me who it was on this message board that kept saying that the NIL and Immediate transfer rules would NOT result in any significant changes to the College Sports Landscape?

I kept harping on it and was being told that nothing would change and that I'm overreacting. I plan to just keep posting these little tidbits until the "doubters" want to reengage on the topic...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38042106/lane-kiffin-says-state-college-football-disaster

Please let us know what these significant changes are. If you don't think donors weren't paying athletes to come to/transfer to their schools before NIL, YOUR'RE DELUSIONAL!!!! I have zero sympathy for coaches who have been allowed to move for a better-paying job when the players haven't. Great for them to either get paid to play somewhere, or transfer to a school they think is better for them.

[STL_XUfan]

remind me who it was on this message board that kept saying that the NIL and Immediate transfer rules would NOT result in any significant changes to the College Sports Landscape?

I kept harping on it and was being told that nothing would change and that I'm overreacting. I plan to just keep posting these little tidbits until the "doubters" want to reengage on the topic...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38042106/lane-kiffin-says-state-college-football-disaster

I wonder why Lane Kiffin left Tennesse? I also wonder why he left FAU? Seems like he didn't care the impact it would have on those programs when he got a better offer.

[D-West & PO-Z]

remind me who it was on this message board that kept saying that the NIL and Immediate transfer rules would NOT result in any significant changes to the College Sports Landscape?

I kept harping on it and was being told that nothing would change and that I'm overreacting. I plan to just keep posting these little tidbits until the "doubters" want to reengage on the topic...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38042106/lane-kiffin-says-state-college-football-disaster

That is your smoking gun? An ESPN article that quotes Kiffin as saying college football is a disaster while he says in the next sentence "I'm not complaining about it, cause we take advantage of it".

Alabama, OSU, UGA, Clemson, USC, are the best teams in football now.......wait, what, that can't be right, that is the same as (checks notes) it was 10 years ago. LMAO

[D-West & PO-Z]

Also you're being disingenuous when you say people have said there would be no significant changes in college sports. The allowance of NIL and immediate transfers alone are significant changes. What many of us on this board have said is that it is not going to ruin college athletics like you claim it will.

[Smails]

If you're going to go the 'I told you so" route you might want to actually present something that proves your point. That article is not nearly the flex you think it is.

[XUGRAD80]

Also you're being disingenuous when you say people have said there would be no significant changes in college sports. The allowance of NIL and immediate transfers alone are significant changes. What many of us on this board have said is that it is not going to ruin college athletics like you claim it will.

I think it depends on what your definition of “ruin” is. And/or what your “fandom” is all about.

If you’re the kind of fan that is all about “your school” winning games, and not about getting to know players over a 4-5 year career, then nothing has really changed. But I think one of the reasons that so many have a special feeling for the players like David West, Tre Blueitt, Larkin, and others is because we got to watch them develop from freshman through their 4 year career. The relationship that develops between players and fans over a career verses what happens over 1 year for “rent a player” is different, and for many fans, special. For the fans that cherish the relationships developed over time, it’s possible that they would see the advent of “free agency” as ruining an activity that they loved as it was.

Will it mean different teams/schools are at the top of the pecking order when looking at national rankings and championships? Probably not.

But it will mean that for many fans the relationship between them and the players on the floor, that wear the u inform of “their school”, will definitely be different. That may well “ruin” college sports for them.

My myself……I probably fall more within the latter camp, than the former. I’ll always be a fan of Xavier and college sports in general, but the feeling is different for sure. However…I’ll wait and see after we’ve had this system for a couple of years before passing judgment.

[Xville]

remind me who it was on this message board that kept saying that the NIL and Immediate transfer rules would NOT result in any significant changes to the College Sports Landscape?

I kept harping on it and was being told that nothing would change and that I'm overreacting. I plan to just keep posting these little tidbits until the "doubters" want to reengage on the topic...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38042106/lane-kiffin-says-state-college-football-disaster

So pay for play hasn’t been going on for decades in college football? Lol ok got it

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think it depends on what your definition of “ruin” is. And/or what your “fandom” is all about.

If you’re the kind of fan that is all about “your school” winning games, and not about getting to know players over a 4-5 year career, then nothing has really changed. But I think one of the reasons that so many have a special feeling for the players like David West, Tre Blueitt, Larkin, and others is because we got to watch them develop from freshman through their 4 year career. The relationship that develops between players and fans over a career verses what happens over 1 year for “rent a player” is different, and for many fans, special. For the fans that cherish the relationships developed over time, it’s possible that they would see the advent of “free agency” as ruining an activity that they loved as it was.

Will it mean different teams/schools are at the top of the pecking order when looking at national rankings and championships? Probably not.

But it will mean that for many fans the relationship between them and the players on the floor, that wear the u inform of “their school”, will definitely be different. That may well “ruin” college sports for them.

My myself……I probably fall more within the latter camp, than the former. I’ll always be a fan of Xavier and college sports in general, but the feeling is different for sure. However…I’ll wait and see after we’ve had this system for a couple of years before passing judgment.

Certainly the definition for ruin is up to each person to decide.

And I agree there will be a certain element of missing a whole team of homegrown players who we got to see for 4 years. Although I will remember Souley Boum fondly for many years as well. So for me its kind of a wash.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

But it will mean that for many fans the relationship between them and the players on the floor, that wear the u inform of “their school”, will definitely be different. That may well “ruin” college sports for them.


I'm in this camp. Things are starting to feel "different" for me. I can imagine if the turnover stuff keeps up and possibly accelerates, that I will begin to lose my enthusiasm for X and college hoops in general.

As far as the general statements that paying players (before NIL) has been going on for so so long, blah, blah, blah, I say that's nonsense. Not that I don't agree that coaches have been moving around and getting rich, and the players, who make college sports interesting, have been used. I get that.

But, it is very sloppy thinking to generalize that all NIL does is make visible that which has been going on already (under the table). Those statements are easy to make but unprovable and, in my opinion, likely false. Did some players get paid before NIL? No doubt. Did some players get paid sizeable sums before NIL? Probably. But it is hogwash to state nothing has changed. NIL has professionalized college sports. Maybe that's the free-market system and perhaps the previous rules restrained the players right to market their services to the highest bidder. Perhaps most fans don't care. But, for me, it doesn't feel the same.

[MHettel]

Please let us know what these significant changes are. If you don't think donors weren't paying athletes to come to/transfer to their schools before NIL, YOUR'RE DELUSIONAL!!!! I have zero sympathy for coaches who have been allowed to move for a better-paying job when the players haven't. Great for them to either get paid to play somewhere, or transfer to a school they think is better for them.

Full disagreement on this. Low level payments to players was likely occurring on the very fringes in the recent past. today its front and center and looks more like an auction than amateur sports.

[Xville]

I'm in this camp. Things are starting to feel "different" for me. I can imagine if the turnover stuff keeps up and possibly accelerates, that I will begin to lose my enthusiasm for X and college hoops in general.

As far as the general statements that paying players (before NIL) has been going on for so so long, blah, blah, blah, I say that's nonsense. Not that I don't agree that coaches have been moving around and getting rich, and the players, who make college sports interesting, have been used. I get that.

But, it is very sloppy thinking to generalize that all NIL does is make visible that which has been going on already (under the table). Those statements are easy to make but unprovable and, in my opinion, likely false. Did some players get paid before NIL? No doubt. Did some players get paid sizeable sums before NIL? Probably. But it is hogwash to state nothing has changed. NIL has professionalized college sports. Maybe that's the free-market system and perhaps the previous rules restrained the players right to market their services to the highest bidder. Perhaps most fans don't care. But, for me, it doesn't feel the same.

So in one paragraph you say it’s nonsense that players have been getting paid for years and then in the next paragraph admit players have probably been getting paid and probably for large sums of money in some cases. Ok

[MHettel]

Also you're being disingenuous when you say people have said there would be no significant changes in college sports. The allowance of NIL and immediate transfers alone are significant changes. What many of us on this board have said is that it is not going to ruin college athletics like you claim it will.

And I'm saying that "ruining" college sports will not be an overnight event. Like Netflix didn't ruin Blockbuster overnight. But if you were paying attention over several years, you could see what was coming.

[D-West & PO-Z]

And I'm saying that "ruining" college sports will not be an overnight event. Like Netflix didn't ruin Blockbuster overnight. But if you were paying attention over several years, you could see what was coming.

Then whats the point of posting the article? You made it seem like what you predicted has come to fruition. What you posted was a coach whining about his job getting tougher, lol.

[nickgyp]

I think it depends on what your definition of “ruin” is. And/or what your “fandom” is all about.

If you’re the kind of fan that is all about “your school” winning games, and not about getting to know players over a 4-5 year career, then nothing has really changed. But I think one of the reasons that so many have a special feeling for the players like David West, Tre Blueitt, Larkin, and others is because we got to watch them develop from freshman through their 4 year career. The relationship that develops between players and fans over a career verses what happens over 1 year for “rent a player” is different, and for many fans, special. For the fans that cherish the relationships developed over time, it’s possible that they would see the advent of “free agency” as ruining an activity that they loved as it was.

Will it mean different teams/schools are at the top of the pecking order when looking at national rankings and championships? Probably not.

But it will mean that for many fans the relationship between them and the players on the floor, that wear the u inform of “their school”, will definitely be different. That may well “ruin” college sports for them.

My myself……I probably fall more within the latter camp, than the former. I’ll always be a fan of Xavier and college sports in general, but the feeling is different for sure. However…I’ll wait and see after we’ve had this system for a couple of years before passing judgment.

I agree that with NIL situation, the face of college athletics has changed. Much like with baseball free agency, the identity of team will change. Payments may now be front and center and the big programs will continue to prosper but we are even further away from hearing an athlete chose a school for an education. Seems like a whole bunch is even further lost.

[MHettel]

I picked a random conference, the Big South.

First Team All Conf:
Claudell Harris- Transferred to Boston College
Isaiah Wilkins- Graduated
Jordan Gainey- Transferred to Tennessee
Kelton Talford- Stayed at Winthrop
Drew Pember (POY)- Graduated

second team
Daquan Smith- Graduated
Jaden House- Trasnferred to Rhode I
Tajion Jones- Graduated
Ricky Clemons- Graduated
Zach Austin (freshman of the year)- Transferrd to Pitt.

so, of the 10 best players in the conference last year, 5 graduated, 4 transferred and 1 stuck around.

How long do we think a conference can sustain itself if it looses 80% of its best returning players each year?

[D-West & PO-Z]

I picked a random conference, the Big South.

First Team All Conf:
Claudell Harris- Transferred to Boston College
Isaiah Wilkins- Graduated
Jordan Gainey- Transferred to Tennessee
Kelton Talford- Stayed at Winthrop
Drew Pember (POY)- Graduated

second team
Daquan Smith- Graduated
Jaden House- Trasnferred to Rhode I
Tajion Jones- Graduated
Ricky Clemons- Graduated
Zach Austin (freshman of the year)- Transferrd to Pitt.

so, of the 10 best players in the conference last year, 5 graduated, 4 transferred and 1 stuck around.

How long do we think a conference can sustain itself if it looses 80% of its best returning players each year?

Watch a lot of Big South basketball, do ya? I can see your sincere care for the health and well being of the Big South.

Now do all the high major guys who transferred down.

[STL_XUfan]

I picked a random conference, the Big South.

First Team All Conf:
Claudell Harris- Transferred to Boston College
Isaiah Wilkins- Graduated
Jordan Gainey- Transferred to Tennessee
Kelton Talford- Stayed at Winthrop
Drew Pember (POY)- Graduated

second team
Daquan Smith- Graduated
Jaden House- Trasnferred to Rhode I
Tajion Jones- Graduated
Ricky Clemons- Graduated
Zach Austin (freshman of the year)- Transferrd to Pitt.

so, of the 10 best players in the conference last year, 5 graduated, 4 transferred and 1 stuck around.

How long do we think a conference can sustain itself if it looses 80% of its best returning players each year?
Half graduated, which likely means they had been around for 4 years at these schools. What is the issue here? Seems like the issue may be that the talent in small conferences are with the upper classmen.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Half graduated, which likely means they had been around for 4 years at these schools. What is the issue here? Seems like the issue may be that the talent in small conferences are with the upper classmen.

Bullseye

[xeus]

Never let the foundation of an argument be, “Lane Kiffin said … “

[xu82]

Never let the foundation of an argument be, “Lane Kiffin said … “

Yeah, that’s pretty damn funny. :-)

[MHettel]

Also this from the ESPN List of top 100 Transfers

#4- Oral Roberts to Texas- 3x 1st Team All Summit

#7- Tulane to LSU- 2X All AAC

#8- VCU to Penn State- A10 POY & DPOY

#9- Utah State - Creighton- 1st Team all Mountain West

#10- Toledo to Baylor- MAC POY

#11- Penn to St Johns- Ivy League POY

#12- Hofstra to Bama- 2X CAA POY

#16- Utah Valley to Cincy- WAC 1st Team and DPOY

#17- ND State to Bama- 1st team All Summit

#18- N. Texas to K State- CUSA POY

#21- Iona to Florida- MAAC POY

#27- St Thomas to UVA- All- Summit

#29- Richmond to Nova- 2nd team All A10

#30- Louisiana to Memphis- All-Sun Belt

#31- Marshall to Miss State- All Sun belt

#32- N. Colorado to Tennessee- All Big Sky

#37- Temple to Houston- 2x All ACC

#40- Marshall to Florida- Sun Belt ROY

#51- Delaware to TCU- All CAA

#52- Towson to Kansas- 2X All League

#54- UC Riverside to Florida- 1st Team All Big West

#56- Nevada to Tx Tech- MWC ROY

#68- Valpo to Iowa- 3X All Mo valley

#69- FIU to Auburn- 1st Team All CUSA

#75 Merrimack to UVA- NEC POY, 3x All NEC

#79- Eastern Wa to Gonzaga- Big Sky DPOY

#85- WKU to Ole Miss- CUSA DPOY

#88- Iona to St Johns- All MAAC

#89 WKU to XU- 2x All Conference

#91- George Mason to Providence- 2x All A-10

#93- Charlotte to Nebraska- All League


31 of the top 100 transfers in the country earned some all-conference accolade from a smaller conference and have transferred to a big 6 conference (+gonzaga).


Thats called a Data Point. how many of these data points will it take before the competitive gap between the Big 6 and the rest of the conferences results in unwatchable basketball?

[MHettel]

Half graduated, which likely means they had been around for 4 years at these schools. What is the issue here? Seems like the issue may be that the talent in small conferences are with the upper classmen.

Think through it. If every year, you lose 80% of the returning award winners, then obviously next year when they likely would have won the award again, it will instead be given to the guy that would have finished 6th in the all -conference voting. So, just dilute the conference a little bit each year and take a look a few years down the road.

[MHettel]

Watch a lot of Big South basketball, do ya? I can see your sincere care for the health and well being of the Big South.

Now do all the high major guys who transferred down.

Which high major guys? Like the ones that weren't good enough to play at that level, like many of the recent XU recuits (James, Kennedy, Tandy, Miles, etc, etc, etc). Those guys arent difference makers.

Find me three examples of a Big 6 player that contributed at that level that moved down. Doesnt happen.

In fact the guys that leave the Big 6 programs to move down actually serve to INCREASE the problem by creating the open roster spot in the first place

[Xville]

Also this from the ESPN List of top 100 Transfers

#4- Oral Roberts to Texas- 3x 1st Team All Summit

#7- Tulane to LSU- 2X All AAC

#8- VCU to Penn State- A10 POY & DPOY

#9- Utah State - Creighton- 1st Team all Mountain West

#10- Toledo to Baylor- MAC POY

#11- Penn to St Johns- Ivy League POY

#12- Hofstra to Bama- 2X CAA POY

#16- Utah Valley to Cincy- WAC 1st Team and DPOY

#17- ND State to Bama- 1st team All Summit

#18- N. Texas to K State- CUSA POY

#21- Iona to Florida- MAAC POY

#27- St Thomas to UVA- All- Summit

#29- Richmond to Nova- 2nd team All A10

#30- Louisiana to Memphis- All-Sun Belt

#31- Marshall to Miss State- All Sun belt

#32- N. Colorado to Tennessee- All Big Sky

#37- Temple to Houston- 2x All ACC

#40- Marshall to Florida- Sun Belt ROY

#51- Delaware to TCU- All CAA

#52- Towson to Kansas- 2X All League

#54- UC Riverside to Florida- 1st Team All Big West

#56- Nevada to Tx Tech- MWC ROY

#68- Valpo to Iowa- 3X All Mo valley

#69- FIU to Auburn- 1st Team All CUSA

#75 Merrimack to UVA- NEC POY, 3x All NEC

#79- Eastern Wa to Gonzaga- Big Sky DPOY

#85- WKU to Ole Miss- CUSA DPOY

#88- Iona to St Johns- All MAAC

#89 WKU to XU- 2x All Conference

#91- George Mason to Providence- 2x All A-10

#93- Charlotte to Nebraska- All League


31 of the top 100 transfers in the country earned some all-conference accolade from a smaller conference and have transferred to a big 6 conference (+gonzaga).


Thats called a Data Point. how many of these data points will it take before the competitive gap between the Big 6 and the rest of the conferences results in unwatchable basketball?

Ok. Is this any different than years past? Good players move up. Shocking

[Xville]

Which high major guys? Like the ones that weren't good enough to play at that level, like many of the recent XU recuits (James, Kennedy, Tandy, Miles, etc, etc, etc). Those guys arent difference makers.

Find me three examples of a Big 6 player that contributed at that level that moved down. Doesnt happen.

In fact the guys that leave the Big 6 programs to move down actually serve to INCREASE the problem by creating the open roster spot in the first place

Yes they may not be difference makers at big schools, but they could and/or will be at schools that are in conferences like the big south.

[MHettel]

Ok. Is this any different than years past?

really? You think the 6 guys that won Conference Player of the Year would have chosen to transfer and sit out a year?

And in the past, without the prospect of NIL would these guys even WANT to Transfer?

So the NIL provides the REASON to transfer and the immediate eligibility provides the MEANS to transfer and we see 6 Conference POYs that could have returned to their current school instead decide to transfer to a Big 6 program. And you think this is NOT something new?

Xavier was in the A-10 for 18 years. Not once did the POY transfer.

[Xville]

really? You think the 6 guys that won Conference Player of the Year would have chosen to transfer and sit out a year?

And in the past, without the prospect of NIL would these guys even WANT to Transfer?

So the NIL provides the REASON to transfer and the immediate eligibility provides the MEANS to transfer and we see 6 Conference POYs that could have returned to their current school instead decide to transfer to a Big 6 program. And you think this is NOT something new?

Xavier was in the A-10 for 18 years. Not once did the POY transfer.

That didn’t happen in your big south example either, they graduated

[MHettel]

Yes they may not be difference makers at big schools, but they could and/or will be at schools that are in conferences like the big south.

How is this relevant at all? Are you making my point for me?

The best players in the worse conferences are moving to the better conferences, while the worse players in the better conferences are moving to the worse conferences.

And its being incentivized (NIL), while the friction (sitting out a year) is being removed.

And this isnt enough for people to connect the dots to visualize a future where the competitive balance is SOOOO out of whack that the game as we know it will be recognizable?

And that snot WORSE than the currrent version of what we all enjoy?

[Xville]

How is this relevant at all? Are you making my point for me?

The best players in the worse conferences are moving to the better conferences, while the worse players in the better conferences are moving to the worse conferences.

And its being incentivized (NIL), while the friction (sitting out a year) is being removed.

And this isnt enough for people to connect the dots to visualize a future where the competitive balance is SOOOO out of whack that the game as we know it will be recognizable?

And that snot WORSE than the currrent version of what we all enjoy?

1. You’re trying to make this point that this is different than what has happened in the past. You haven’t proven that.

2. Why should I care about a big south or some other shit team from some shit conference? Oh I guess they could go to the final four and championship team like this year.

[MHettel]

That didn’t happen in your big south example either, they graduated

David West didnt graduate after he won as a soph and a junior. Steven Smith didnt graduate. Kevin Anderson didnt either. Nor did tu Holloway.

5 out of 18 POY winners were underclassmen and they ALL returned. Actually, 6 were, but Camby went to the NBA

[Xville]

David West didnt graduate after he won as a soph and a junior. Steven Smith didnt graduate. Kevin Anderson didnt either. Nor did tu Holloway.

5 out of 18 POY winners were underclassmen and they ALL returned. Actually, 6 were, but Camby went to the NBA

So? You’re throwing out a bunch of hypotheticals. I guess you’re trying to say that if nil was around back then, those 5 would have transferred but that’s all conjecture.

It’s your contention that this is going to ruin college sports. Ok, I guess I’ll wait for that, but linking an article that is quoting lane kiffin of all people to try to prove your point is a giant leap at best.

[MHettel]

Ok. Is this any different than years past? Good players move up. Shocking

I use this thing called “observation”. I’ve been watching college basketball for about 38 years. I don’t recall a single case when a conference POY transferred and sat out a year.

I don’t recall a single All A10 player transferring out and sitting a year during the entirety of the XU tenure in the A10.

So, using the power of observation one can easily conclude that something is indeed different now. And attributing a cause to this difference doesn’t require much detective work.

So, at this point, once the evidence overwhelmingly points to a different environment, all you have to do is ask your self “so what?”

So what if all the good players from bad conferences switch places with the bad players on the good teams.

You can’t make this leap? Are these dots just too far apart to connect?

It will not be the same, it will be different. And by different, I mean it will be worse.

Don’t like Lane Kiffin? Fair enough. Do you like Roy Williams? How about Jay wright? Those guys QUIT because of this, but just decided to dance around it instead of saying it outright.

[xukeith]

I think it depends on what your definition of “ruin” is. And/or what your “fandom” is all about.

If you’re the kind of fan that is all about “your school” winning games, and not about getting to know players over a 4-5 year career, then nothing has really changed. But I think one of the reasons that so many have a special feeling for the players like David West, Tre Blueitt, Larkin, and others is because we got to watch them develop from freshman through their 4 year career. The relationship that develops between players and fans over a career verses what happens over 1 year for “rent a player” is different, and for many fans, special. For the fans that cherish the relationships developed over time, it’s possible that they would see the advent of “free agency” as ruining an activity that they loved as it was.

Will it mean different teams/schools are at the top of the pecking order when looking at national rankings and championships? Probably not.

But it will mean that for many fans the relationship between them and the players on the floor, that wear the u inform of “their school”, will definitely be different. That may well “ruin” college sports for them.

My myself……I probably fall more within the latter camp, than the former. I’ll always be a fan of Xavier and college sports in general, but the feeling is different for sure. However…I’ll wait and see after we’ve had this system for a couple of years before passing judgment.

Good post. I agree.

[Xville]

I use this thing called “observation”. I’ve been watching college basketball for about 38 years. I don’t recall a single case when a conference POY transferred and sat out a year.

I don’t recall a single All A10 player transferring out and sitting a year during the entirety of the XU tenure in the A10.

So, using the power of observation one can easily conclude that something is indeed different now. And attributing a cause to this difference doesn’t require much detective work.

So, at this point, once the evidence overwhelmingly points to a different environment, all you have to do is ask your self “so what?”

So what if all the good players from bad conferences switch places with the bad players on the good teams.

You can’t make this leap? Are these dots just too far apart to connect?

It will not be the same, it will be different. And by different, I mean it will be worse.

Don’t like Lane Kiffin? Fair enough. Do you like Roy Williams? How about Jay wright? Those guys QUIT because of this, but just decided to dance around it instead of saying it outright.

Jay wright and Roy Williams is conjecture.

I used the power of observation to see fau and sdsu in the final four/championship game this year . These are Teams from lesser conferences that used a variety of ways to get their roster to a point that got them there. That’s a good thing. You keep contending this is all going to ruin college basketball. It hasn’t, and I don’t believe it will.

There will always be haves and have nots, same as it ever was.

[nuts4xu]

I use this thing called “observation”. I’ve been watching college basketball for about 38 years. I don’t recall a single case when a conference POY transferred and sat out a year.

I don’t recall a single All A10 player transferring out and sitting a year during the entirety of the XU tenure in the A10.

So, using the power of observation one can easily conclude that something is indeed different now. And attributing a cause to this difference doesn’t require much detective work.

So, at this point, once the evidence overwhelmingly points to a different environment, all you have to do is ask your self “so what?”

So what if all the good players from bad conferences switch places with the bad players on the good teams.

You can’t make this leap? Are these dots just too far apart to connect?

It will not be the same, it will be different. And by different, I mean it will be worse.

Don’t like Lane Kiffin? Fair enough. Do you like Roy Williams? How about Jay wright? Those guys QUIT because of this, but just decided to dance around it instead of saying it outright.

Good post, I agree.

[Xuperman]

Another "That didn't take long" move.

CJ Wilcher's brother Simeon, decommits from UNC and is a last minute transfer to Pitino's Red Storm.

The twist is, apparently St. Johns has no available scholarships. He will be a NIL PAID WALK-ON.

[paulxu]

The twist is, apparently St. Johns has no available scholarships. He will be a NIL PAID WALK-ON.

That's a whole new category of "walk-on." Soon we'll have a lot of walk-on starters?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yes they may not be difference makers at big schools, but they could and/or will be at schools that are in conferences like the big south.

Exactly.

And they guys who move up, often are not difference makers at the level they were at their previous school in a lesser conference. Some are, sure, see Boum, but most are not at the same level.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Jay wright and Roy Williams is conjecture.

I used the power of observation to see fau and sdsu in the final four/championship game this year . These are Teams from lesser conferences that used a variety of ways to get their roster to a point that got them there. That’s a good thing. You keep contending this is all going to ruin college basketball. It hasn’t, and I don’t believe it will.

There will always be haves and have nots, same as it ever was.

Nothing has been funnier in this whole debate with Hett than FAU and SDSU making the final 4 this year and 3 teams in total making it for the 1st time ever. He can't explain that away. Talk about "observation", LMAO.

[STL_XUfan]

That's a whole new category of "walk-on." Soon we'll have a lot of walk-on starters?
At the end of the day there is only 1 ball and most coaches don't go much past the 8th guy on the bench, so is this really a worry? Seems like it just means a bench warmer that used to be a walk on will be getting a scholarship, which is good for him.

[Xuperman]

At the end of the day there is only 1 ball and most coaches don't go much past the 8th guy on the bench, so is this really a worry? Seems like it just means a bench warmer that used to be a walk on will be getting a scholarship, which is good for him.

IDK.
Wilcher is likely the starting PG. If that is the case, some talented scholarship guy who would have been, has to be slightly ticked off. Are we entering a reality where the scholarship becomes insignificant? If a guy is paying his own tuition with NIL, does he have to achieve a passing grade? Does he have to go to class at all?

[paulxu]

Not at UNC.

[XUGRAD80]

IDK.
Wilcher is likely the starting PG. If that is the case, some talented scholarship guy who would have been, has to be slightly ticked off. Are we entering a reality where the scholarship becomes insignificant? If a guy is paying his own tuition with NIL, does he have to achieve a passing grade? Does he have to go to class at all?

There are still NCAA eligibility rules regarding academic status, and in fact there are some schools whose eligibility requirements in that area are more strict than the NCAA’s.

15 is the limit for a BB roster. 12 is the maximum number of full scholarships that can be given out. But I can’t find anything that says how a roster can be split up between scholarship players and non-scholarship players, as long as they don’t exceed the 12 scholarship limit.

Could we see a situation where there are more non-scholarship players on a roster, whose scholarship is payed for by an outside entity? Technically it seems to be possible, but I really doubt that it will ever happen. One thing that would certainly keep that from happening is the very real idea that coaches want to be able to control their players. A coach will certainly have more control over a player when they are on scholarship, than when they aren’t. I can’t imagine that many coaches will want players on their roster whose scholarship they don’t control.

[MHettel]

Exactly.

And they guys who move up, often are not difference makers at the level they were at their previous school in a lesser conference. Some are, sure, see Boum, but most are not at the same level.

Boum was 2nd team all conference before he transferred to XU. 3rd team the year before that. All Fresman team prior to that.

Thanks for helping my case.

[MHettel]

Nothing has been funnier in this whole debate with Hett than FAU and SDSU making the final 4 this year and 3 teams in total making it for the 1st time ever. He can't explain that away. Talk about "observation", LMAO.

Honestly, just do some homework when involved in a debate.

From my post on March 26.

San Diego State:
9 guys averaged 15 or more minutes this year.
3 of them, mostly off the bench were 5th year "Covid guys" that played 56 minutes a game (out of 200 total). they have played 426 games at SDSU
4 guys are transfers immediately eligible to play. These guys played a combined 93 minutes a game. They had 287 college games played BEFORE going to SDst. They played another 175 games at SD St. One of those guys was also a 5th year covid guy.
2 guys were original SDSU recruits and played a combined 46 minutes per game. They have played a total of 201 games for SDSU.

This team was built to compete THIS year. A keen understanding of the rules, a compelling sales pitch to transfers, and a deep rotation. FINAL 4.

[Xville]

Honestly, just do some homework when involved in a debate.

From my post on March 26.

San Diego State:
9 guys averaged 15 or more minutes this year.
3 of them, mostly off the bench were 5th year "Covid guys" that played 56 minutes a game (out of 200 total). they have played 426 games at SDSU
4 guys are transfers immediately eligible to play. These guys played a combined 93 minutes a game. They had 287 college games played BEFORE going to SDst. They played another 175 games at SD St. One of those guys was also a 5th year covid guy.
2 guys were original SDSU recruits and played a combined 46 minutes per game. They have played a total of 201 games for SDSU.

This team was built to compete THIS year. A keen understanding of the rules, a compelling sales pitch to transfers, and a deep rotation. FINAL 4.

Sounds to me like a great thing for college basketball, a team from an average conference that got to the championship game. I fail to see where this ruined college basketball.

Also, leading scorer came from big time school, cal. Third leading scorer was a sdsu recruit and fourth leading scorer came from the big 12. Kind of flies in the face of your argument that lesser conferences and lesser schools within that conference are going to be screwed and separated from the big 6. Whoops

Fau—-top five scorers; 4 are “homegrown” and the other come from big 12. Weird

[Xuperman]

There are still NCAA eligibility rules regarding academic status, and in fact there are some schools whose eligibility requirements in that area are more strict than the NCAA’s.

15 is the limit for a BB roster. 12 is the maximum number of full scholarships that can be given out. But I can’t find anything that says how a roster can be split up between scholarship players and non-scholarship players, as long as they don’t exceed the 12 scholarship limit.

Could we see a situation where there are more non-scholarship players on a roster, whose scholarship is payed for by an outside entity? Technically it seems to be possible, but I really doubt that it will ever happen. One thing that would certainly keep that from happening is the very real idea that coaches want to be able to control their players. A coach will certainly have more control over a player when they are on scholarship, than when they aren’t. I can’t imagine that many coaches will want players on their roster whose scholarship they don’t control.

The Wilcher situation is probably Pitino slight of hand and not something that becomes common, but wouldn't NIL funded walk-ons benefit the University financially?

Also, how does a Coach use a player's scholarship for control? All the control he needs is playing time decisions.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Honestly, just do some homework when involved in a debate.

From my post on March 26.

San Diego State:
9 guys averaged 15 or more minutes this year.
3 of them, mostly off the bench were 5th year "Covid guys" that played 56 minutes a game (out of 200 total). they have played 426 games at SDSU
4 guys are transfers immediately eligible to play. These guys played a combined 93 minutes a game. They had 287 college games played BEFORE going to SDst. They played another 175 games at SD St. One of those guys was also a 5th year covid guy.
2 guys were original SDSU recruits and played a combined 46 minutes per game. They have played a total of 201 games for SDSU.

This team was built to compete THIS year. A keen understanding of the rules, a compelling sales pitch to transfers, and a deep rotation. FINAL 4.

So lower level non power conference schools CAN build Final 4 caliber teams in this new college basketball world? Perfect, thank you for clarifying your stance!

Kind of amazing in your doom and gloom outlook that none of the core FAU guys transferred either. Interesting.....

[D-West & PO-Z]

Also, leading scorer came from big time school, cal. Third leading scorer was a sdsu recruit and fourth leading scorer came from the big 12. Kind of flies in the face of your argument that lesser conferences and lesser schools within that conference are going to be screwed and separated from the big 6. Whoops

Fau—-top five scorers; 4 are “homegrown” and the other come from big 12. Weird

Impossible!

[MHettel]

Let stake a look at CUSA.

They had 15 guys total among the first team, second team and third team all conference.

- 2 guys graduated
- 5 guys stayed at their school
- 8 guys transferred to "Big 6" schools.


In fact, Xavier will probably start 3 guys next year that made all conference in CUSA last year.

[XUGRAD80]

The Wilcher situation is probably Pitino slight of hand and not something that becomes common, but wouldn't NIL funded walk-ons benefit the University financially?

Also, how does a Coach use a player's scholarship for control? All the control he needs is playing time decisions.

1). I believe that the money budgeted to scholarships, and not used because of NIL walk-ons, would just be spent elsewhere within the program.

2). Scholarship players can be subject to many additional rules and obligations that a coach can impose upon them, compared to non-scholarship players. Yes, often these are “team” rules and obligations, but they be used as conditions regarding the renewal of scholarships. It’s the difference between volunteers and paid employees. If you’re relying on volunteers it’s much more difficult to place rules and regulations on them compared to the people who are relying on a pay check. Kids that “need” the scholarships are much more likely to put up with the rules and additional obligations than those that don’t need it.

3). Playing time is for sure the best leverage a coach has, but it’s not the only thing. The threat of losing a scholarship is also huge for most players.

[MHettel]

So lower level non power conference schools CAN build Final 4 caliber teams in this new college basketball world? Perfect, thank you for clarifying your stance!

Kind of amazing in your doom and gloom outlook that none of the core FAU guys transferred either. Interesting.....

I'll Explain THIS again now.

SDSU, Miami, KState and Texas in particular are simply early adopters of using the portal and NIL to build deep, experienced teams that are built for NCAA tournament runs. They have simply done first, the exact thing that many other teams will be doing later.

My analogy as described in another post is that of the "shift" in baseball. Some team did it first, and did it infrequently. Then a little more frequently, and then a few teams followed. And then everyone did it so much that it changed from being a competitive advantage to do it to being a DISADVANTAGE if you didnt. The shift changed the game, and it wasnt overnight.

Certain teams that used the portal and NIL have enjoyed the competitive advantage. It wont last and others will follow. When the big money sits down at the table, the little guys can still TRY to play the game, but they will get crushed.

[waggy]

This is not directed at anyone. Just information.

https://frontofficesports.com/nil-collectives-pay-five-figures-to-top-college-players/

[Xuperman]

This is big news.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/sens-joe-manchin-tommy-tuberville-introduce-bill-addressing-nil-transfer-rules-in-college-athletics/

Seems to be common sense legislation regarding NIL. I am somewhat surprised by the suggested transfer rule, but I think it's best overall.

[XU_Lou]

This is big news.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/sens-joe-manchin-tommy-tuberville-introduce-bill-addressing-nil-transfer-rules-in-college-athletics/

Seems to be common sense legislation regarding NIL. I am somewhat surprised by the suggested transfer rule, but I think it's best overall.

I would amend that transfer rule by allowing students to also transfer if the head coach leaves, or the school is put on probation for some reason that doesn't have anything to do with the player requesting the transfer.

Not sure how the NIL provisions will be of any consequence.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is big news.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/sens-joe-manchin-tommy-tuberville-introduce-bill-addressing-nil-transfer-rules-in-college-athletics/

Seems to be common sense legislation regarding NIL. I am somewhat surprised by the suggested transfer rule, but I think it's best overall.

I'm not so sure what you see as being so significant with regards to NIL?

The transfer rule would be a big change, yes.

[STL_XUfan]

I'm not so sure what you see as being so significant with regards to NIL?

The transfer rule would be a big change, yes.

Transfer rules seems like a big overreach as it essentially legislating the NCAA bylaws.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Transfer rules seems like a big overreach as it essentially legislating the NCAA bylaws.

Yeah I don't get that either. But with Tommy Tubberville involved, I shouldn't be surprised.

[Xville]

Yeah I don't get that either. But with Tommy Tubberville involved, I shouldn't be surprised.

Imo that proposed transfer rule is beyond stupid. If a bb player wants to transfer, they should be allowed to, period.

The nil part of the legislation seems to be common sense and agree with that part of it. By standardizing part of the process and putting “hurdles” in place, it should mostly keep out the bad seeds.

[xuphan]

You have to wonder at what point the NCAA student athletes start to unionize to get more of the pot from the mega media revenues some of these universities are receiving.

[MHettel]

Imo that proposed transfer rule is beyond stupid. If a bb player wants to transfer, they should be allowed to, period.

The nil part of the legislation seems to be common sense and agree with that part of it. By standardizing part of the process and putting “hurdles” in place, it should mostly keep out the bad seeds.

I've posted it a few times over the years, but I think a workable transfer framework should include the notion of "transferring down." Simply put, annually group all the teams into 6 different "tiers" of roughly 55 teams each. This would require some committee to do this task. Then any player could transfer down and be eligible. If you transfer within the tier or transfer up, then you sit for a year. The basic theory is that you probably wouldnt transfer down unless your current situation is simply too competitive for you and you are probably already facing very limited PT. So, allow those types of guys the ability to transfer "down" to get some PT. This truly features the interest of the player (who just wants to play) while maintaining some semblance of competitive balance and cuts down the free-agency mindset that is currently in place. There would be SOME exceptions to this for bonafide hardship, injury, etc.

[STL_XUfan]

I've posted it a few times over the years, but I think a workable transfer framework should include the notion of "transferring down." Simply put, annually group all the teams into 6 different "tiers" of roughly 55 teams each. This would require some committee to do this task. Then any player could transfer down and be eligible. If you transfer within the tier or transfer up, then you sit for a year. The basic theory is that you probably wouldnt transfer down unless your current situation is simply too competitive for you and you are probably already facing very limited PT. So, allow those types of guys the ability to transfer "down" to get some PT. This truly features the interest of the player (who just wants to play) while maintaining some semblance of competitive balance and cuts down the free-agency mindset that is currently in place. There would be SOME exceptions to this for bonafide hardship, injury, etc.

Or we could just treat college athletes with the exact same rules as any other student on campus with a scholarship. Apply whatever rules you would apply to the first chair french horn in the band wanting to transfer to another school or make money with a side gig. Seems if we care about protecting-the-sanctity-of-college-athletics we should just treat them as every other college students.

[Xville]

I've posted it a few times over the years, but I think a workable transfer framework should include the notion of "transferring down." Simply put, annually group all the teams into 6 different "tiers" of roughly 55 teams each. This would require some committee to do this task. Then any player could transfer down and be eligible. If you transfer within the tier or transfer up, then you sit for a year. The basic theory is that you probably wouldnt transfer down unless your current situation is simply too competitive for you and you are probably already facing very limited PT. So, allow those types of guys the ability to transfer "down" to get some PT. This truly features the interest of the player (who just wants to play) while maintaining some semblance of competitive balance and cuts down the free-agency mindset that is currently in place. There would be SOME exceptions to this for bonafide hardship, injury, etc.

Sounds pretty anti-American to me. You want to put additional hurdles in front of someone for doing well and trying to get themselves into a better position. I don’t understand the viewpoint of trying to balance the haves and the have nots. If the have nots want to do better than they need to put in the work to do so like the athlete that wants to transfer from “ little college to big university.”

[MHettel]

Or we could just treat college athletes with the exact same rules as any other student on campus with a scholarship. Apply whatever rules you would apply to the first chair french horn in the band wanting to transfer to another school or make money with a side gig. Seems if we care about protecting-the-sanctity-of-college-athletics we should just treat them as every other college students.

Im not sure what you are recommending. We should treat college athletes just like every other college student as soon as every other college student starts getting treated like college athletes.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I've posted it a few times over the years, but I think a workable transfer framework should include the notion of "transferring down." Simply put, annually group all the teams into 6 different "tiers" of roughly 55 teams each. This would require some committee to do this task. Then any player could transfer down and be eligible. If you transfer within the tier or transfer up, then you sit for a year. The basic theory is that you probably wouldnt transfer down unless your current situation is simply too competitive for you and you are probably already facing very limited PT. So, allow those types of guys the ability to transfer "down" to get some PT. This truly features the interest of the player (who just wants to play) while maintaining some semblance of competitive balance and cuts down the free-agency mindset that is currently in place. There would be SOME exceptions to this for bonafide hardship, injury, etc.

Unnecessarily complicated.

Don't disguise any of this as the best interest of the player. Why is it not in the best interest of a player who was not highly recruited out of high school who has outplayed their current situation to get a better opportunity to play at a higher level?

I think the one free transfer was a good compromise between not being a free for all where a guy plays for 4 different schools in 4 years and not allowing a guy to transfer up/down/sideways wherever one time without a penalty.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I've posted it a few times over the years, but I think a workable transfer framework should include the notion of "transferring down." Simply put, annually group all the teams into 6 different "tiers" of roughly 55 teams each. This would require some committee to do this task. Then any player could transfer down and be eligible. If you transfer within the tier or transfer up, then you sit for a year. The basic theory is that you probably wouldnt transfer down unless your current situation is simply too competitive for you and you are probably already facing very limited PT. So, allow those types of guys the ability to transfer "down" to get some PT. This truly features the interest of the player (who just wants to play) while maintaining some semblance of competitive balance and cuts down the free-agency mindset that is currently in place. There would be SOME exceptions to this for bonafide hardship, injury, etc.

You have no interest in what is best for the player. Your whole scenario is devised to not hurt the school/team. If the player is no use to the team, let them leave without penalty. If they are good and leave, they must sit.

[bjf123]

You have no interest in what is best for the player. Your whole scenario is devised to not hurt the school/team. If the player is no use to the team, let them leave without penalty. If they are good and leave, they must sit.

That’s a very slippery slope!


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[xukeith]

You have no interest in what is best for the player. Your whole scenario is devised to not hurt the school/team. If the player is no use to the team, let them leave without penalty. If they are good and leave, they must sit.

Who decides whether they are labeled good or not?

[MHettel]

Sounds pretty anti-American to me. You want to put additional hurdles in front of someone for doing well and trying to get themselves into a better position. I don’t understand the viewpoint of trying to balance the haves and the have nots. If the have nots want to do better than they need to put in the work to do so like the athlete that wants to transfer from “ little college to big university.”

Anti-American! Thats GRAND! No better way to improve your own argument than to start by calling the opposing view "anti-American"

Also, nobody is restricted from trasnferring. But like in "real life" sometimes this is a cost and in this case its sitting out a year.

[MHettel]

Unnecessarily complicated.

Don't disguise any of this as the best interest of the player. Why is it not in the best interest of a player who was not highly recruited out of high school who has outplayed their current situation to get a better opportunity to play at a higher level?

I think the one free transfer was a good compromise between not being a free for all where a guy plays for 4 different schools in 4 years and not allowing a guy to transfer up/down/sideways wherever one time without a penalty.

Why does the outcome have to be in the best interest of the player? Seriously? At any cost?

This is just a victim mentality. Lets feel bad for the poor college athletes that get a free education, and then free drinks for life. It must really suck for them to get all the benefits and perks that come with being a rock-star on campus.

Lets design something where the ONLY consideration is to cater to the players and then watch the whole thing crumble because we achieved ZERO balance.

Things are going SOOOO well that we've got congressional hearings about it.

[Xville]

Anti-American! Thats GRAND! No better way to improve your own argument than to start by calling the opposing view "anti-American"

Also, nobody is restricted from trasnferring. But like in "real life" sometimes this is a cost and in this case its sitting out a year.

Cost of being good and better one self is to put an unnecessary restriction on them. For what purpose? You are screwing an individual for a selfish reason.

[Xville]

Why does the outcome have to be in the best interest of the player? Seriously? At any cost?

This is just a victim mentality. Lets feel bad for the poor college athletes that get a free education, and then free drinks for life. It must really suck for them to get all the benefits and perks that come with being a rock-star on campus.

Lets design something where the ONLY consideration is to cater to the players and then watch the whole thing crumble because we achieved ZERO balance.

Things are going SOOOO well that we've got congressional hearings about it.

So instead we should feel bad for the little college that couldnt that isn’t doing what it needs to in order to compete against the big boys? That makes zero sense to me.

You are still under the false assumption that there was ever some kind of balance in d1 basketball or football…

[MHettel]

So instead we should feel bad for the little college that couldnt that isn’t doing what it needs to in order to compete against the big boys? That makes zero sense to me.

You are still under the false assumption that there was ever some kind of balance in d1 basketball or football…

This is just bizarro world at this point.

I dont think there IS balance currently. But I believe we should strive for balance. And as such, I believe changes that we make should increase balance, not reduce it.

Your argument is literally "there is already not balance, so lets just tip this son-of-a-bitch all the way over"

[D-West & PO-Z]

Who decides whether they are labeled good or not?

Well Hett did based on which level they were transferring to. He said down, no penalty, same level or up, have to sit out.

[drudy23]

The power has shifted and that's a good thing. The bureaucratic NCAA got it to the point where it was so stupid and wouldn't change, that change had to be invented.

It's really no different than companies like Amazon and Uber just finding a better and easier way for people to have more control over stupid bureaucratic process and rules.

Hopefully they find a way to blow up healthcare and education too, because both are at the same stage where someone is eventually going to majorly disrupt it.

[Xville]

This is just bizarro world at this point.

I dont think there IS balance currently. But I believe we should strive for balance. And as such, I believe changes that we make should increase balance, not reduce it.

Your argument is literally "there is already not balance, so lets just tip this son-of-a-bitch all the way over"

No my argument is that the power should go to the player, not to the school. You believe differently which is fine, I just completely disagree.

[XUGRAD80]

No my argument is that the power should go to the player, not to the school. You believe differently which is fine, I just completely disagree.

It is my belief that it can be a win-win system, where everyone is better off. In both of the scenarios you mention there is a winner, and therefore a loser. It doesn’t have to be that way.

I’m perfectly fine with the 1X transfer without sitting out…but 1X only. NO exceptions. But I also think that scholarships should cover all 4 years of eligibility and not be renewable yearly. There needs to be some guarantee from both parties that they will fulfill their obligations to each other. I think that what Primetime is doing in Colorado verges on unethical and will bite him in the A$$ eventually. It is important to any team that there be trust between the players and the coaches. Both need to trust each other. Players need to go to a school trusting that they will be able to get an education. Coaches need to have some surety that players will be around more than a year and that they can build a team around them.

And the rules need to be the same for everyone in the association. There can’t be rules for some and not for others.

[UCGRAD4X]

It is my belief that it can be a win-win system, where everyone is better off. In both of the scenarios you mention there is a winner, and therefore a loser. It doesn’t have to be that way.

I’m perfectly fine with the 1X transfer without sitting out…but 1X only. NO exceptions. But I also think that scholarships should cover all 4 years of eligibility and not be renewable yearly. There needs to be some guarantee from both parties that they will fulfill their obligations to each other. I think that what Primetime is doing in Colorado verges on unethical and will bite him in the A$$ eventually. It is important to any team that there be trust between the players and the coaches. Both need to trust each other. Players need to go to a school trusting that they will be able to get an education. Coaches need to have some surety that players will be around more than a year and that they can build a team around them.

And the rules need to be the same for everyone in the association. There can’t be rules for some and not for others.

It seems that the Big 12 isn't put off by what is going on in Colorado.

[XUGRAD80]

It seems that the Big 12 isn't put off by what is going on in Colorado.

True dat……..and at the risk of taking this discussion completely off the rails, I’ll predict that others will follow their lead. The Big12 may well become the Big16 in 2024.

[drudy23]

At least Colorado geographically makes some sense. They've also had some decent success in the past, granted it's been awhile since they've been relevant. Primetime certainly helps with the hype.

Also a great place (Boulder) for an away game if you're a UC football fan.

[BandAid]

Excuse me for being a bit AOL, but I finally read the CBS article on the proposed transfer rule. The other issue is it assumes players only transfer for sports reasons, which is simply not true. People transfer for all kinds of reasons.

We had that recruit from Missouri(?) who transferred before ever stepping on the court for Xavier because he was homesick/whipped by his gf. Should he be forced to sit out a year? What about Dawson Garcia, who transferred to MN to be closer to family members with health issues? He is already playing at Minnesota - why punish him twice by making him sit out a year?

I’m in favor of everyone having a free transfer and establishing some body to give individuals like Garcia an exception for additional free transfers.

[MHettel]

Excuse me for being a bit AOL, but I finally read the CBS article on the proposed transfer rule. The other issue is it assumes players only transfer for sports reasons, which is simply not true. People transfer for all kinds of reasons.

We had that recruit from Missouri(?) who transferred before ever stepping on the court for Xavier because he was homesick/whipped by his gf. Should he be forced to sit out a year? What about Dawson Garcia, who transferred to MN to be closer to family members with health issues? He is already playing at Minnesota - why punish him twice by making him sit out a year?

I’m in favor of everyone having a free transfer and establishing some body to give individuals like Garcia an exception for additional free transfers.

There was already a hardship waiver process.

Sometimes it was granted, other times not. Being p-whipped is not a legit hardship. Not sure if that kid had to sit or not.

Also, keep in mind that kids used to sometimes decide to transfer FIRST, and then try to find a way to claim hardship.

[MHettel]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38082504/christian-mahogany-chose-boston-college-being-rental

Interesting take

[D-West & PO-Z]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38082504/christian-mahogany-chose-boston-college-being-rental

Interesting take

My guess is this is not an unusual stance for someone who is projected as a 1st round pick. Not worth the risk for a little money to go into a new situation that may end up sucking when you already know your current situation and it's helped you become a projected 1st rounder where you are going to make the real money.

I'm sure it could be figured out but might take a little bit of work but I bet there are not too many 1st round NFL picks who were drafted that were projected as 1st rounders while at their current school who left for a new school.