Jerome Hunter

[Final4]

Prayers

[xu82]

Ummm, any more to this? What’s up?

[xuphan]

Prayers

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[Xville]

Love the people who come in here and drop a bomb with zero information to make themselves look important. Like seriously wtf

[Smails]

Love the people who come in here and drop a bomb with zero information to make themselves look important. Like seriously wtf

He had to go to the hospital for a cardiac issue. He's reportedly doing well, but there's not much information on what exactly happened. That's what I was told.

[xu82]

He had to go to the hospital for a cardiac issue. He's reportedly doing well, but there's not much information on what exactly happened. That's what I was told.

Thank you. I hope it all gets cleared up quickly and doesn’t present him with any ongoing troubles.

[Xville]

He had to go to the hospital for a cardiac issue. He's reportedly doing well, but there's not much information on what exactly happened. That's what I was told.

Wow scary! Thank you for the info.. hope all is clear!

[noteggs]

Man what a gut punch for this young man. Prayers for a healthy recovery

[Masterofreality]

Best of luck to Jerome in his recovery!
And please don’t play, kid, if there is any risk.
Hank Gathers is still on my mind. :-(

[nickgyp]

Best of luck to Jerome in his recovery!
And please don’t play, kid, if there is any risk.
Hank Gathers is still on my mind. :-(

Well put, MOR! Best wishes to Jerome for a speedy recovery! But if the risks are too great then he should not continue to play. He has a lot to offer besides playing Xavier hoops. A career in coaching ala Dante Jackson? In any case, get well, soon!

[Final4]

Love the people who come in here and drop a bomb with zero information to make themselves look important. Like seriously wtf

Hey Junior it’s not my responsibility to enlighten you……..do your own freakin research. And if you don’t have the resources to find the answer you’re looking for, be patient and don’t whine.

[Xville]

Hey Junior itÂ’s not my responsibility to enlighten youÂ…Â…..do your own freakin research. And if you donÂ’t have the resources to find the answer youÂ’re looking for, be patient and donÂ’t whine.

Or you could just not be a douchebag. If you are going to take the time to post something like that, give the actual info, if not then keep it to yourself. You are being a MOR, maybe you two should kiss and make up

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Hoping for the best. Speedy recovery.

[XUWahoo]

Regarding Jerome Hunter:
1. How is it known that he had to go to the hospital for a "cardiac issue?" Assume he went to the emergency department but was he hospitalized or kept in the emergency department for prolonged observation, but not actually admitted?
2. Did he go to the hospital for chest pain, shortness of breath, and/or dizziness? Each of these symptoms do not always automatically translate to a "cardiac issue."
3. Information with details will be very limited due to HIPPA (privacy) laws.
Regarding Hank Gathers:
1. Review of the available information online indicates that he died from hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, formerly known as IHSS (idiopathic hypertrophic sub aortic stenosis-no wonder that mouthful of nomenclature was changed). This is a fairly easily detectable heart disorder to diagnose via echocardiogram (ultrasound of the heart) if symptoms present beforehand. This is probably the most common cause of sudden collapse in young athletes. HCM often can't be picked up from the so-called "sports physicals."
2. It sounds like Loyola Marymount, the cardiologist, and Gathers himself all had contributory negligence that lead to his demise. Can't tell from the online information whether an echo was ever done, but based on the persistent symptoms, he should have been benched until the issue was clarified.
3. Not sure if a courtside AED (defibrillator) was widely available in those days.

[MHettel]

Have to agree that the original post was reckless at BEST, and intentionally stress inducing at worst.

Either tell us what the hell is going on, or say nothing.

I mean, the range of possibilities that ran through my head were everything from “he died” to “his dog is sick”.

That’s just wrong, dude

[D-West & PO-Z]

HIPAA*

Best wishes for Jerome, whatever it is that is going on.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Have to agree that the original post was reckless at BEST, and intentionally stress inducing at worst.

Either tell us what the hell is going on, or say nothing.

I mean, the range of possibilities that ran through my head were everything from “he died” to “his dog is sick”.

That’s just wrong, dude

Agreed.

[XUBison]

Have to agree that the original post was reckless at BEST, and intentionally stress inducing at worst.

Either tell us what the hell is going on, or say nothing.

I mean, the range of possibilities that ran through my head were everything from “he died” to “his dog is sick”.

That’s just wrong, dude

Yep. Absurd.

[XUWahoo]

HIPAA*

Best wishes for Jerome, whatever it is that is going on.

Thanks for correcting my HIPAA typo (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act). While the intent of HiPAA was good based on why it was originally enacted and it has some positive features, a lot of HIPAA is a joke in its execution with much nebulous language.

[XUWahoo]

As of this morning (Sunday, July 9th), there is no mention in the Cincinnati Enquirer of Jerome Hunter even going to the hospital. On one hand, I would expect at least some mention that he had to be admitted for evaluation for any serious issue but perhaps Xavier wants to hold off until all the facts are in before releasing a statement.

Further perusal of the Enquirer sports section reveals that Bob Huggins is now demanding reinstatement of his job at WVU. He is claiming that he never really resigned because he never actually wrote a resignation letter as the email WVU got was sent from his wife's email address. Now I'm wondering if Huggins has been "EWI"- Emailing While Intoxicated? (I realize this is actually a "Jerome Hunter" thread but thought I would just mention this interesting but ever changing escapade of a former XU rival coach.)

[X-band '01]

Could also be an issue similar to what Keyontae Johnson had at Florida, perhaps? Johnson didn't play competitively for almost 2 seasons between his collapse at Florida and his re-emergence at Kansas State last season.

[Olsingledigit]

Hey Junior it’s not my responsibility to enlighten you……..do your own freakin research. And if you don’t have the resources to find the answer you’re looking for, be patient and don’t whine.

Final 4 this is a message board not a wheel of fortune board. Junior is right. Provide information and not stupid comments like yours. I happened to know what you were talking about, but some did not. Try being important elsewhere.

[GoMuskies]

Hey Junior it’s not my responsibility to enlighten you……..do your own freakin research. And if you don’t have the resources to find the answer you’re looking for, be patient and don’t whine.

So what was the point of your stupid post other than to brag that you've got sources so you can hint about something serious going on?

[XUWahoo]

Still absolutely nothing in the media or online to date about Jerome Hunter having to go to the hospital that I could find. Thus, I think one can only come to one of the following conclusions:

1. Hunter never went to the hospital.
2. Hunter went to the hospital but elected to use the HIPAA (privacy) law to not have this information disclosed to the media.
3. Someone working at the hospital whom Final4 knows leaked the information about Hunter which would be a major violation of HIPAA, even if Hunter waived #2 (usually that specific privacy aspect is utilized when a patient either doesn't want his/her family to know about the hospitalization and/or wants specific person(s) to be barred from visiting them in the hospital).
4. A person named "Jerome Hunter" but NOT X's Hunter was evaluated in the emergency department and/or admitted to the hospital and this was mistaken by a leaker to be THE Jerome Hunter.

In any case, more specifics about any evaluation of Hunter in the emergency department or hospitalization (name of hospital, city, dates, etc.) and/or sources would have made Final4's post more credible. Then again, perhaps the leaker is very aware of HIPAA, advised Final4 of this and relayed only the limited information that Hunter visited the hospital with the quasi diagnosis of "cardiac issues"- only Final4 knows!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Still absolutely nothing in the media or online to date about Jerome Hunter having to go to the hospital that I could find. Thus, I think one can only come to one of the following conclusions:

1. Hunter never went to the hospital.
2. Hunter went to the hospital but elected to use the HIPAA (privacy) law to not have this information disclosed to the media.
3. Someone working at the hospital whom Final4 knows leaked the information about Hunter which would be a major violation of HIPAA, even if Hunter waived #2 (usually that specific privacy aspect is utilized when a patient either doesn't want his/her family to know about the hospitalization and/or wants specific person(s) to be barred from visiting them in the hospital).
4. A person named "Jerome Hunter" but NOT X's Hunter was evaluated in the emergency department and/or admitted to the hospital and this was mistaken by a leaker to be THE Jerome Hunter.

In any case, more specifics about any evaluation of Hunter in the emergency department or hospitalization (name of hospital, city, dates, etc.) and/or sources would have made Final4's post more credible. Then again, perhaps the leaker is very aware of HIPAA, advised Final4 of this and relayed only the limited information that Hunter visited the hospital with the quasi diagnosis of "cardiac issues"- only Final4 knows!

Rick Broering did confirm on his site that he was told Hunter had a "cardiac episode" and was in the hospital. Doing better but no other real information.

[XUWahoo]

Rick Broering did confirm on his site that he was told Hunter had a "cardiac episode" and was in the hospital. Doing better but no other real information.

Thanks for the info and further clarification but I'm wondering why Final4 didn't originally post exactly what you just did and thus obviating any credibility issues on this thread?

[nuts4xu]

Details are available on the 247 site behind the paywall. Even those details are limited to state it was a cardiac episode.

But there is no point in starting a thread with a players name and a post with "prayers".

If you don't want to give up the details from a pay site, there is really no need for a cryptic message.

On a positive note, I did see Jerome post on IG that he got a haircut yesterday. Take that however you want.

[xavierj]

Have no idea how serious it was but to clarify he is no longer in the hospital and if you follow his social media he has been active doing different things. I don’t think he is doing anything basketball wise but could be wrong. My guess is that when the heart is involved they are running a million tests to see if it was a one time freak thing or more serious stuff.

[XUGRAD80]

Have no idea how serious it was but to clarify he is no longer in the hospital and if you follow his social media he has been active doing different things. I don’t think he is doing anything basketball wise but could be wrong. My guess is that when the heart is involved they are running a million tests to see if it was a one time freak thing or more serious stuff.


This is probably exactly correct……and they might never find out what caused his “episode”, or they might find out that he has a serious problem that needs addressing. Let’s just hope for the best and keep him in our thoughts and prayers.

[Muskie]

If you care to send a card to Jerome Hunter:

Athletic Dept/ Xavier Basketball
attn. Jerome Hunter
3800 Victory Parkway
Cincinnati, Ohio 45207

[noteggs]

No real updates but an acknowledgment from our program

https://twitter.com/xaviermbb/status/1678841655594713088?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

[bobbiemcgee]

https://twitter.com/EnquirerShelby?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Es erp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Sean speaks....this is the new X guy at the Enqiurer.

[Final4]

Details are available on the 247 site behind the paywall. Even those details are limited to state it was a cardiac episode.

But there is no point in starting a thread with a players name and a post with "prayers".

If you don't want to give up the details from a pay site, there is really no need for a cryptic message.

On a positive note, I did see Jerome post on IG that he got a haircut yesterday. Take that however you want.

I heard about Jerome’s medical situation last Friday from a member of his attending cardiology team. I wasn’t going to provide the details of what I heard but I thought others may be interested in his situation. I assumed that my random post would solicit a response from someone else who would be more willing to provide details. That’s exactly how it played out. I really don’t give a rats ass if you or anyone else found my approach inappropriate. It accomplished precisely what I intended.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I heard about Jerome’s medical situation last Friday from a member of his attending cardiology team. I wasn’t going to provide the details of what I heard but I thought others may be interested in his situation. I assumed that my random post would solicit a response from someone else who would be more willing to provide details. That’s exactly how it played out. I really don’t give a rats ass if you or anyone else found my approach inappropriate. It accomplished precisely what I intended.

Your family member/friend/whoever did something that would likely get them fired if their employer found out. I don't know if anyone on here knows you in "real life" but just on the off chance they do or could find out, you may not want to be posting how you came across the information you had.

[bobbiemcgee]

Geesuz. If true. Major HIPPA violation by the heart doc.

[xu82]

Upon further reflection, this news came to him in a dream…….yeah, that was it!

[STL_XUfan]

I assumed that my random post would solicit a response from someone else who would be more willing to provide details. That’s exactly how it played out. I really don’t give a rats ass if you or anyone else found my approach inappropriate. It accomplished precisely what I intended.
Probably be a smart idea to delete your post (I edited out the part that should be deleted). Probably isn't that big of a circle and could get your friend in some deep shit.

[MHettel]

I heard about Jerome’s medical situation last Friday from a member of his attending cardiology team. I wasn’t going to provide the details of what I heard but I thought others may be interested in his situation. I assumed that my random post would solicit a response from someone else who would be more willing to provide details. That’s exactly how it played out. I really don’t give a rats ass if you or anyone else found my approach inappropriate. It accomplished precisely what I intended.

At first, I responded and laid off a little and simply said that it was in poor taste.

But now, after this double down antics…..well I’ll just say your a fucking asshole.

[Xville]

At first, I responded and laid off a little and simply said that it was in poor taste.

But now, after this double down antics…..well I’ll just say your a fucking asshole.

Yep he’s been found out big time. He’s yet another narcissist on this board. Doubling down on complete pompous stupidity.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

If you are a long time reader of this board, as many of us are, we understand many posts are based on rumor, inside knowledge (some substantiated; some not) and some just pure speculation. Many posts, in retrospect, add little value. Yet, we come back, even in the deep off season, checking in here to keep track of the latest news, knowing, as we do, some of it is based on back channel sources. We come for the very thing we now criticize, innuendo, hearsay and gossip. Yet we criticize posters like Final4 and MOR, who provide the very information we seek. Seems a bit disingenuous.

My guess is that Jerome's situation was likely more widely known or would have, with time, become more widely known, even without Final4's post.

Like everyone here, I hope Jerome's condition is identified accurately and that he recovers fully, with or without basketball.

[Xville]

If you are a long time reader of this board, as many of us are, we understand many posts are based on rumor, inside knowledge (some substantiated; some not) and some just pure speculation. Many posts, in retrospect, add little value. Yet, we come back, even in the deep off season, checking in here to keep track of the latest news, knowing, as we do, some of it is based on back channel sources. We come for the very thing we now criticize, innuendo, hearsay and gossip. Yet we criticize posters like Final4 and MOR, who provide the very information we seek. Seems a bit disingenuous.

My guess is that Jerome's situation was likely more widely known or would have, with time, become more widely known, even without Final4's post.

Like everyone here, I hope Jerome's condition is identified accurately and that he recovers fully, with or without basketball.

Posting and saying “prayers” is not providing information. That’s the problem. Don’t post if you can’t or aren’t going to give details.

[XUGRAD80]

It has come out in local media now, as the Cincinnati.Com site has posted a story. Just says “undisclosed medical condition” and nothing more specific.

from Cincinnati.com:

Xavier forward Jerome Hunter out with medical issue, no timetable for return

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2023/07/11/xavier-jerome-hunter-out-undisclosed-medical-issue/70403084007/


I do think that it was in very poor taste to just post up “prayers” and not saying why……but I’ve come to expect nothing more from many message boards and other forms of social media. I’m not going to make a federal case out of it though.

[nuts4xu]

I heard about Jerome’s medical situation last Friday from a member of his attending cardiology team. I wasn’t going to provide the details of what I heard but I thought others may be interested in his situation. I assumed that my random post would solicit a response from someone else who would be more willing to provide details. That’s exactly how it played out. I really don’t give a rats ass if you or anyone else found my approach inappropriate. It accomplished precisely what I intended.

Congrats on "breaking" this story. There is nothing wrong with waiting for news like this to become public before saying anything. I am sure your cardiology team member friend is thrilled you shared the information he told you in confidence.

This is Jerome's life, and he is entitled to privacy. There is a big difference sharing back channel commentary on a player's health, and sharing knowledge on the subject of Xavier football. This isn't the NBA and there is a reason our coaching staff is typically guarded on the health status of the young men on the team.

Call it what it is, the thread was started to get yourself some attention. You are right, it did accomplish exactly what you intended.

[XU_Lou]

It has come out in local media now, as the Cincinnati.Com site has posted a story. Just says “undisclosed medical condition” and nothing more specific.

from Cincinnati.com:

Xavier forward Jerome Hunter out with medical issue, no timetable for return

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2023/07/11/xavier-jerome-hunter-out-undisclosed-medical-issue/70403084007/


I do think that it was in very poor taste to just post up “prayers” and not saying why……but I’ve come to expect nothing more from many message boards and other forms of social media. I’m not going to make a federal case out of it though.

This...

[X-band '01]

Congrats on "breaking" this story. There is nothing wrong with waiting for news like this to become public before saying anything. I am sure your cardiology team member friend is thrilled you shared the information he told you in confidence.

This is Jerome's life, and he is entitled to privacy. There is a big difference sharing back channel commentary on a player's health, and sharing knowledge on the subject of Xavier football. This isn't the NBA and there is a reason our coaching staff is typically guarded on the health status of the young men on the team.

Call it what it is, the thread was started to get yourself some attention. You are right, it did accomplish exactly what you intended.

I'm sure his intention was for this thread to become a Final4 roast. When straight shooters like Hettel and Nuts are calling you out, you've really crossed a line somewhere along the way.

[Final4]

At first, I responded and laid off a little and simply said that it was in poor taste.

But now, after this double down antics…..well I’ll just say your a fucking asshole.

OMG the internet tough guy……….clearly I struck a nerve. Apparently my post “prayers” caused you considerable anxiety and I hope the damage done to your fragile psyche is only temporary. I’m sorry.

[Xville]

OMG the internet tough guy……….clearly I struck a nerve. Apparently my post “prayers” caused you considerable anxiety and I hope the damage done to your fragile psyche is only temporary. I’m sorry.

When numerous people say the same thing about you but you think they are the issue. There’s a word for that.

[MHettel]

Ahem....remember this?


I really don’t give a rats ass if you or anyone else found my approach inappropriate.

Most of the time when I dont give a rats ass about something, I dont feel the need to declare it because....well...obviously you do care.

And then I goaded you into ANOTHER response!

Well Played, ME!

[Masterofreality]

Bronny James suffered a “cardiac episode” during a workout at USC today. He was in ICU but released.
It’s public news all over the place. I’m not “breaking” anything

I don’t want to put on a Tin Foil hat, but there have been waaaaaaaaaay too many incidences like this in healthy, well-conditioned athletes ever since Covid vaccines were introduced. It’s scary and Medical Folks need to start being more transparent on things like this.

Mods, if you see fit, relocate this to another thread. Thanks.

[Xville]

Or, it could, ya know, be from Covid itself since there is a big connection found between Covid and the cardiovascular system.

[MHettel]

Bronny James suffered a “cardiac episode” during a workout at USC today. He was in ICU but released.
It’s public news all over the place. I’m not “breaking” anything

I don’t want to put on a Tin Foil hat, but there have been waaaaaaaaaay too many incidences like this in healthy, well-conditioned athletes ever since Covid vaccines were introduced. It’s scary and Medical Folks need to start being more transparent on things like this.

Mods, if you see fit, relocate this to another thread. Thanks.

+1

[XU_Lou]

Bronny James suffered a “cardiac episode” during a workout at USC today. He was in ICU but released.
It’s public news all over the place. I’m not “breaking” anything

I don’t want to put on a Tin Foil hat, but there have been waaaaaaaaaay too many incidences like this in healthy, well-conditioned athletes ever since Covid vaccines were introduced. It’s scary and Medical Folks need to start being more transparent on things like this.

Mods, if you see fit, relocate this to another thread. Thanks.

+2

[STL_XUfan]

Bronny James suffered a “cardiac episode” during a workout at USC today. He was in ICU but released.
It’s public news all over the place. I’m not “breaking” anything

I don’t want to put on a Tin Foil hat, but there have been waaaaaaaaaay too many incidences like this in healthy, well-conditioned athletes ever since Covid vaccines were introduced. It’s scary and Medical Folks need to start being more transparent on things like this.

Mods, if you see fit, relocate this to another thread. Thanks.

We all know that tinfoil hat is firmly cemented to your head.

Can we keep this reckless and pointless speculation contained to the black hole that is known as the Covid thread.

[Xville]

We all know that tinfoil hat is firmly cemented to your head.

Can we keep this reckless and pointless speculation contained to the black hole that is known as the Covid thread.

otherwise known as lou's kiddie porn

[XU_Lou]

https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/default/print/8/6/break/images/artworkimages/medium/2/hear-no-evil-see-no-evil-speak-no-evil-bettmann.jpg

[Xville]

thru your research do some actual work on what covid does to the body, especially the cardiovascular system, you may learn something. Otherwise, the pic is quite ironic.

[XU_Lou]

Where's the evidence that either Jerome or Bronny had Covid? I could be wrong, but a Google search on both resulted in nothing.

On the other hand, it's almost a 100% certainty that both were vaccinated.


I saw a typo that needed to be fixed:

thru your research do some actual work on what the vax does to the body, especially the cardiovascular system, you may learn something

[Xville]

Where's the evidence that either Jerome or Bronny had Covid? I could be wrong, but a Google search on both resulted in nothing.

On the other hand, it's almost a 100% certainty that both were vaccinated.


I saw a typo that needed to be fixed:

thru your research do some actual work on what the vax does to the body, especially the cardiovascular system, you may learn something

keep that tinfoil hat on lou. You are the purveyor of truth!

[xukeith]

Andy Mac per Twitter hears optimistic news regarding JH.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Bronny James suffered a “cardiac episode” during a workout at USC today. He was in ICU but released.
It’s public news all over the place. I’m not “breaking” anything

I don’t want to put on a Tin Foil hat, but there have been waaaaaaaaaay too many incidences like this in healthy, well-conditioned athletes ever since Covid vaccines were introduced. It’s scary and Medical Folks need to start being more transparent on things like this.

Mods, if you see fit, relocate this to another thread. Thanks.

Not a Conspiracy Theorist either but feel the same way here. Something ain't right.

[Xville]

Not a Conspiracy Theorist either but feel the same way here. Something ain't right.

It’s weird when people think the vaccine is the problem but completely ignore what the actual disease does.

[Strange Brew]

Andy Mac per Twitter hears optimistic news regarding JH.

That’s good news whether Hunter steps on the floor again or not.

[XU_Lou]

Oops, more typos:

It’s weird when people think the disease is the problem but completely ignore what the actual vaccine does.

[murray87]

And let's stop calling it a vaccine. Vaccines actually work.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Well, I should be surprised it took this long for this thread to go off the rails. Might be time to close up shop.

[XU_Lou]

Yeah, God knows we should ever allow anyone to say anything that contradicts the official narrative....

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah, God knows we should ever allow anyone to say anything that contradicts the official narrative....

Literally no matter what anyone is saying, its all conjecture. Whether your opinion is the vaccine did it, or covid itself did it, or Bronny and Jerome had underlying heart issues their whole life, or they were freak occurrences.

How anyone could try and argue any of these as being the case just reeks of an agenda to push.

[Smails]

Yeah, God knows we should ever allow anyone to say anything that contradicts the official narrative....

The official narrative should be about Jerome Hunter and his health. Hence the title of this thread. Instead this has devolved into another pissing match that's better served for existing threads that can easily be found. It's pretty simple.

[XU_Lou]

A lot of you guys need to chill out. This is a discussion board. The covid/vax issue is highly relevant to Jerome. I agree, whether or not there's a direct correlation remains, or will never be seen. But we all have the freedom to voice our opinions here, right? C'mon, this isn't a congressional hearing on a specific topic. Lighten up.

[xuphan]

A lot of you guys need to chill out. This is a discussion board. The covid/vax issue is highly relevant to Jerome. I agree, whether or not there's a direct correlation remains, or will never be seen. But we all have the freedom to voice our opinions here, right? C'mon, this isn't a congressional hearing on a specific topic. Lighten up.

Don’t we already have a political discussion board? Why turn this thread into another political discussion? Just post your thoughts about it in the political post or the Covid post. Problem solved.

[bobbiemcgee]

Get well Jerome. We need 'ya.

[X-man]

Bronny James suffered a “cardiac episode” during a workout at USC today. He was in ICU but released.
It’s public news all over the place. I’m not “breaking” anything

I don’t want to put on a Tin Foil hat, but there have been waaaaaaaaaay too many incidences like this in healthy, well-conditioned athletes ever since Covid vaccines were introduced. It’s scary and Medical Folks need to start being more transparent on things like this.

Mods, if you see fit, relocate this to another thread. Thanks.

For any of you who haven't appreciated exactly how nuts MOR is on political issues involving science, this is Exhibit A.

[xuphan]

For any of you who haven't appreciated exactly how nuts MOR is on political issues involving science, this is Exhibit A.

Why not just wish them a full recovery? Making political points off these young men is just flat out wrong.

[xu82]

Literally no matter what anyone is saying, its all conjecture. Whether your opinion is the vaccine did it, or covid itself did it, or Bronny and Jerome had underlying heart issues their whole life, or they were freak occurrences.

How anyone could try and argue any of these as being the case just reeks of an agenda to push.

I agree with this. Thinking something and knowing something are not the same thing. It’s important to realize the distinction.

[muskiefan82]

I would love if Hunter plays again for X this year, but it really only matters that he is healthy and well moving forward. That's it. Take care of yourself and get well Mr. Hunter. Do what is best for YOU.

[MHettel]

I agree with this. Thinking something and knowing something are not the same thing. It’s important to realize the distinction.

do you believe in God? asking for a friend.

[xu82]

I would love if Hunter plays again for X this year, but it really only matters that he is healthy and well moving forward. That's it. Take care of yourself and get well Mr. Hunter. Do what is best for YOU.

And this!

[xu82]

do you believe in God? asking for a friend.

My beliefs are my beliefs. I don’t claim that they are facts. I’m good with that, but thanks for trying to muddy the waters.

[94GRAD]

do you believe in God? asking for a friend.

Which one?

[MHettel]

My beliefs are my beliefs. I don’t claim that they are facts. I’m good with that, but thanks for trying to muddy the waters.

But, you said "thinking something and knowing something are not the same thing."

So would you go so far as to say you "KNOW" there is a God. And if so, how exactly did you gain this knowledge?

[boozehound]

This board really needs a purge. Some of you guys are out of control.

[XU_Lou]

Isn't amazing that the same people who did their damndest to suppress any and all counter-official narrative data, viewpoints and opinions on the Covid thread, are now here on this thread doing the exact same thing? Have they not learned anything over the last couple of years?

[xukeith]

What is covid?

[GoMuskies]

Lou thought we should keep Steele.

[XU_Lou]

Lou thought we should keep Steele.

LOL!! Apparently you did too! Maybe you came to the conclusion that Steele needed to go just a few weeks before me - maybe.... The internet can be a real bitch sometimes:


"This should be the best season yet under fourth-year coach Travis Steele."

I mean, if it's not it will be the last, so it had better be! I think it will. Poised for a big, big season. Very excited for the next 4 months!


Sort of like the program under his guidance? Hey oh!

(Sorry, I think we're going to be fine this year and Steele will be fine, but the setup was too easy!)


I think we should let this season play out before deciding this is true.


The situation is a mess, but I'm going to wait until the end of the season to really worry about who will be the coach next year. If we make the Tournament, there's no doubt it will be Steele. And we're still in pretty good shape in that regard. That very well may change in the next couple of weeks, but we'll see how it goes. not optimistic, but that's why they play the games.


I voted for Steele as that means we made the Tournament this year.

[GoMuskies]

Let's see:

Post 1: Steele has to have a good season or he'll be gone. I thought we'd be good based on our talent. We weren't.

Post 2: Obviously joking about the program being a mess under Steele but thinking/hoping it would be better.

Post 3: Wanting to see how the season played out before deciding Steele should be fired (hint: it played out poorly).

Post 4: The program is a mess, but Steele can save his job by making the NCAA Tournament (spoiler: we didn't).

Post 5: I wanted us to make the NCAA Tournament.

Real smoking guns you got there. The point is you saw the season play out and STILL wanted Steele to be retained. Serious skill issue, that.

[XU_Lou]

Let's see:

Post 1: Steele has to have a good season or he'll be gone. I thought we'd be good based on our talent. We weren't.

Post 2: Obviously joking about the program being a mess under Steele but thinking/hoping it would be better.

Post 3: Wanting to see how the season played out before deciding Steele should be fired (hint: it played out poorly).

Post 4: The program is a mess, but Steele can save his job by making the NCAA Tournament (spoiler: we didn't).

Post 5: I wanted us to make the NCAA Tournament.

Real smoking guns you got there. The point is you saw the season play out and STILL wanted Steele to be retained. Serious skill issue, that.

Very Clintonesque reply.... LOL....

It's undeniable that you were still holding out hope that things would work out with Steele. About the same camp as I was in.


"The point is you saw the season play out and STILL wanted Steele to be retained."

WRONG - you just pulled that one out of your ass. Check the record. Looks like you're taking another cue from the Clintons here....

[Xville]

Let's see:

Post 1: Steele has to have a good season or he'll be gone. I thought we'd be good based on our talent. We weren't.

Post 2: Obviously joking about the program being a mess under Steele but thinking/hoping it would be better.

Post 3: Wanting to see how the season played out before deciding Steele should be fired (hint: it played out poorly).

Post 4: The program is a mess, but Steele can save his job by making the NCAA Tournament (spoiler: we didn't).

Post 5: I wanted us to make the NCAA Tournament.

Real smoking guns you got there. The point is you saw the season play out and STILL wanted Steele to be retained. Serious skill issue, that.

Neve underestimate the fact that lou is a psychopath

[XU_Lou]

Neve underestimate the fact that lou is a psychopath

If we're going to use the new rules:


No one was talking to you

[Xville]

If we're going to use the new rules:

Talking to go, psycho

[xukeith]

Is this Lou Piniella?

[Roach]

Don’t we already have a political discussion board? Why turn this thread into another political discussion? Just post your thoughts about it in the political post or the Covid post. Problem solved.

Why? Because anti-vaxxers generally lack both tact and a sense of decorum. What they evidently fail to recognize is that interjecting with their unsolicited opinion in otherwise apolitical conversations irritates everyone else, even those who might otherwise agree, were it not for the shameless politicking.

[Masterofreality]

Why? Because anti-vaxxers generally lack both tact and a sense of decorum. What they evidently fail to recognize is that interjecting with their unsolicited opinion in otherwise apolitical conversations irritates everyone else, even those who might otherwise agree, were it not for the shameless politicking.

As I said in the original post. Mods are free to move to another forum if they deem to.
They have not.
There is a definite relationship between 2 young healthy basketball players suddenly having cardiac issues. And it is much more prevalent recently.
As I said. We need more Medical professional transparency on this issue, not obfuscation. That has nothing to do with anti-vaxx.

[Xville]

As I said in the original post. Mods are free to move to another forum if they deem to.
They have not.
There is a definite relationship between 2 young healthy basketball players suddenly having cardiac issues. And it is much more prevalent recently.
As I said. We need more Medical professional transparency on this issue, not obfuscation. That has nothing to do with anti-vaxx.

“Much more prevalent”…. Based on what? Do you have numbers, or are you just talking out your ass per usual? Why go straight to the vaccine as the cause of it “ has nothing to do with anti-vaxx” instead of the disease itself? Probably because you’re pushing your agenda per usual because you just can’t help yourself.

Maybe you and Lou can start your own board so you can share your nonsense with each other

[D-West & PO-Z]

As I said in the original post. Mods are free to move to another forum if they deem to.
They have not.
There is a definite relationship between 2 young healthy basketball players suddenly having cardiac issues. And it is much more prevalent recently.
As I said. We need more Medical professional transparency on this issue, not obfuscation. That has nothing to do with anti-vaxx.

Why is there a definite relationship between the 2?

Everything I have read is it is not more prevalent. People read other peoples BS due to certain agendas and so they believe it is.

[webxu]

Gents two things can be true:

1. Science works, and vaccines have greatly altered human history for the better
2. It is certainly ok to be skeptical over the covid vaccine due to the quick nature it came about and lack of long term data behind the results.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Gents two things can be true:

1. Science works, and vaccines have greatly altered human history for the better
2. It is certainly ok to be skeptical over the covid vaccine due to the quick nature it came about and lack of long term data behind the results.

Sure, but we have no reason to believe any of this has anything to do with either of these two players.

And, if it does, its at least equally possible, if not more, that the culprit was not the vaccine but covid itself.

So given we know nothing about either of these situations, including whether either player was 1. Vaccinated and 2. Ever had Covid, to suggest it is either, or anything really, is just pushing an agenda.

[Masterofreality]

Why is there a definite relationship between the 2?

Everything I have read is it is not more prevalent. People read other peoples BS due to certain agendas and so they believe it is.

Uh, B, I respect you but you are mistaken.

https://www.today.com/health/covid-heart-attack-young-people-rcna69903

[Xville]

Uh, B, I respect you but you are mistaken.

https://www.today.com/health/covid-heart-attack-young-people-rcna69903

Nowhere in that article does it say that young basketball players are having much more prevalent heart issues. It states that there is a correlation between Covid-19 and heart issues in younger people, which is interesting since it goes completely against your initial narrative that it must be the vaccine. I mean in this article it specifically states she had issues before the vaccine even existed lol. Guess we are just moving the goal posts.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Uh, B, I respect you but you are mistaken.

https://www.today.com/health/covid-heart-attack-young-people-rcna69903

Thanks for posting.

The article though attributes the rise to COVID infections specifically and gives reasons why that may be. The college athlete at the beginning of the article was not even vaccinated when she had her cardiac issue after getting COVID.

So why read that, discuss a rise in cardiac issues among younger people, and then attribute it to the vaccine?

[MADXSTER]

Unfortunately I don't think we will ever know if it is Covid or the Vaccine. By law there is suppose to be a placebo group and a tested group. Through the Freedom of Information it appears that this was never done even though Fauci says that it was done. The only group that could be studied long term, from what I know, is the Omish community.

[noteggs]

The only problem I can see with this study (the link in article) and others I’ve read in past is the demographics. The youngest age group reported is normally 25-44 and not 18-24 which is the group being discussed.

[Masterofreality]

Thanks for posting.

The article though attributes the rise to COVID infections specifically and gives reasons why that may be. The college athlete at the beginning of the article was not even vaccinated when she had her cardiac issue after getting COVID.

So why read that, discuss a rise in cardiac issues among younger people, and then attribute it to the vaccine?

I didn’t necessarily. I want transparency on the entire issue, including whether vaccines could be involved, which is not forthcoming.
With drug company influence, it may never be.
By the way, for anyone who thinks I’m over the top Trumper, the vaccines were developed under Trump.
Just give us the entire story. That’s all.
But for young healthy people this is not good.

[Xville]

States that there has been an increase in heart issues for young basketball players since the vaccine was introduced and then backtracks and says he didn’t necessarily attribute it to the vaccine. MOR would be a great politician

[sirthought]

What a bonehead thing to bring up and then try to back your point with an article that doesn't support what you said.

We don't know Hunter's family history. We don't know what sort of activity or situation he was under. To muddy the discussion with something so targeted like a vaccine is really too far in the conspiracy realm. He could have been baselining sticks of butter. Or straining his system with those unpredictable cryogenic therapies. We don't know, so it's better not to go there.

[X-man]

Since we're posting articles about athletes, vaccine, and cardiac problems, here's one from the WSJ. For those of you who can't access it, it says in a nutshell that there has been no statistical rise in such cardiac incidents, and that it is "irresponsible" to try and connect such events to either Covid or Covid vaccines.
Link: https://www.wsj.com/sports/basketball/bronny-james-cardiac-arrest-6b95d5c1?mod=sports_major_1_pos1.

[Masterofreality]

What a bonehead thing to bring up and then try to back your point with an article that doesn't support what you said.

We don't know Hunter's family history. We don't know what sort of activity or situation he was under. To muddy the discussion with something so targeted like a vaccine is really too far in the conspiracy realm. He could have been baselining sticks of butter. Or straining his system with those unpredictable cryogenic therapies. We don't know, so it's better not to go there.

Uh, ok.
How about this one???

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/23/cdc-reports-more-than-1200-cases-of-rare-heart-inflammation-after-covid-vaccine-shots.html

[Xville]

Uh, ok.
How about this one???

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/23/cdc-reports-more-than-1200-cases-of-rare-heart-inflammation-after-covid-vaccine-shots.html

Lol and now doubling down about Covid vaccine related to heart issues but you’re not “necessarily” linking the two, right? You’re a walking contradiction.

[Muskie in dayton]

Lol and now doubling down about Covid vaccine related to heart issues but you’re not “necessarily” linking the two, right? You’re a walking contradiction.
How is that a contradiction? He presented a question and presented evidence for why there is a question.

[Xville]

How is that a contradiction? He presented a question and presented evidence for why there is a question.

Because earlier he said he wasn’t linking the issues with the vaccine and now he has, twice.

[Muskie in dayton]

Because earlier he said he wasn’t linking the issues with the vaccine and now he has, twice.
That not necessarily linking the two. Unless your conclusion to the contrary is foregone.

[nuts4xu]

Because earlier he said he wasn’t linking the issues with the vaccine and now he has, twice.

That really bothers you, doesn’t it? Ruined your day?

[XU_Lou]

That really bothers you, doesn’t it? Ruined your day?

Everything ruins his day. It's called perma-outrage.

[Xville]

That really bothers you, doesn’t it? Ruined your day?

Bother me? No. Pointing out the walking contradiction that is MOR? Yes

[basket]

Fellas, Fellas, Fellas. Lets keep this civil now. This message board is suppose to be about XU mens basketball NOT a poltical agenda or propaganda! Cant we keep "personal opinions" that arent related to XU basketball to ourselves? Talk about Hunter, but covid shots, Trump, Biden and drug compies are NOT related to XU basketball even if a XU basketball player is involved! This topic is TO divisive!!

[nuts4xu]

Because earlier he said he wasn’t linking the issues with the vaccine and now he has, twice.

https://media.giphy.com/media/5gVgwoD6NE0BW/giphy.gif

Damnit, MOR linked the issues twice and said he wasn't going to!!

[Olsingledigit]

https://media.giphy.com/media/5gVgwoD6NE0BW/giphy.gif

Damnit, MOR linked the issues twice and said he wasn't going to!!

You can sure tell it is off season. What a waste of posting space this discussion is.

[X-band '01]

To be fair, this thread started under nefarious circumstances.

[xu82]

To be fair, this thread started under nefarious circumstances.

Have we come full circle? Or are we in another dimension? Sometimes it’s hard to tell. The internet is a wormhole to……..somewhere.

[bobbiemcgee]

Get well Jerome.

[xudash]

Get well Jerome.

Look at that: you and I found agreement on something.

May the next post in this thread keep that spirit alive at a minimum, but may it hopefully involve a legitimate positive update on Jerome’s health.

[bjf123]

Get well Jerome.

^^This!^^


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[bobbiemcgee]

We need 'ya big guy.