2023 College Basketball Transfer Portal

[bobbiemcgee]

One of many sites:


https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/2023/

[MHettel]

That site shows Kriisa to WVU. Not committed, but predicted.

[drudy23]

Anyone have any clue who we're on in the portal? Under Steele, it was everyone.

[Xuperman]

Moeller guys Mahaffey and Duncomb are now looking for new homes. X recruited both at a fairly high degree. Mahaffey would be interesting.

[Xville]

Moeller guys Mahaffey and Duncomb are now looking for new homes. X recruited both at a fairly high degree. Mahaffey would be interesting.

Could be wrong but on the surface both of those guys look like Miami Ohio players more than x players

[XUGRAD80]

Anyone have any clue who we're on in the portal? Under Steele, it was everyone.

The only player that I have read that has X on his radar is Mack from Woodard. He listed them as being in his top 10. I have read that X has reached out to several other players, but I haven’t heard that any of them are returning the interest. Those players would include Hugley from Pitt, Duncomb from Indiana, and a guard from Western KY. I’m sure there are more, but haven’t seen anything more than speculation on other names.

[Xville]

The only player that I have read that has X on his radar is Mack from Woodard. He listed them as being in his top 10. I have read that X has reached out to several other players, but I haven’t heard that any of them are returning the interest. Those players would include Hugley from Pitt, Duncomb from Indiana, and a guard from Western KY. I’m sure there are more, but haven’t seen anything more than speculation on other names.

Dayvion from wku would be an amazing get.

[D-West & PO-Z]

All i know is that I trust Miller to find guys who fit what he wants to do. I don't care how highly they are ranked in the lists of available transfers, etc.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/2023-final-four-evaluating-uconn-miami-san-diego-state-fau-as-march-madness-heads-to-houston/

This is one article from last October that ranked the top 25 transfers in college basketball. Souley Boum is not on the list. He was an All American Honorable Mention and 1st team Big East player.

I trust Miller has some people in mind already who if they hit the portal he would want them.

[MHettel]

All i know is that I trust Miller to find guys who fit what he wants to do. I don't care how highly they are ranked in the lists of available transfers, etc.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/2023-final-four-evaluating-uconn-miami-san-diego-state-fau-as-march-madness-heads-to-houston/

This is one article from last October that ranked the top 25 transfers in college basketball. Souley Boum is not on the list. He was an All American Honorable Mention and 1st team Big East player.

I trust Miller has some people in mind already who if they hit the portal he would want them.

Can you check that link? its only showing recent articles. i would really LOVE to see the top 25 transfer rankings from last year, knowing how the season turned out I wonder how many of those guys made a run in the dance.

[Smails]

Can you check that link? its only showing recent articles. i would really LOVE to see the top 25 transfer rankings from last year, knowing how the season turned out I wonder how many of those guys made a run in the dance.

https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Basketball/TransferPortalTop/

Gonzaga, Miami, Creighton, Texas....all well represented

[GoMuskies]

Boum was #69. Nice.

[drudy23]

Mahaffey would be interesting. He's long and athletic but can't shoot. He would be a Hunter type of player.

Duncomb is a head scratcher. He is not Big East ready, even after two years at IU. Skinnier and less talented than Edwards, imo.

[Masterofreality]

Not hearing good things about Kriisa coming here, although he does have a visit upcoming

[xavierj]

Not hearing good things about Kriisa coming here, although he does have a visit upcoming

Not sure I buy that but we will see. Just a guess and kind of reading between the lines that he will end up at Xavier if Sean really wants him.

[bleedXblue]

Not sure I buy that but we will see. Just a guess and kind of reading between the lines that he will end up at Xavier if Sean really wants him.

Lets hope he makes the trip.....did Sean actually recruit him?

[drudy23]

How robust is Xavier's NIL program?

I'm guessing it's not at the top of the list, but does it at least offer something compelling?

[IM4X]

https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Basketball/TransferPortalTop/

I have no inside scoop, but there is no change to his status on this list updated today. Still predicting him to come to X.

#18 Kerr Krissa

[Masterofreality]

Not sure I buy that but we will see. Just a guess and kind of reading between the lines that he will end up at Xavier if Sean really wants him.

NIL money related. He visited WVA last weekend.
Put 2&2 together.
Yes. X needs to increase revenue, in all ways.

[XUBob]

Hearing same things as MOR on Kriisa. X still the front runner but NIL will have a big impact. Fingers crossed hope he comes to X.

[drudy23]

NIL money related. He visited WVA last weekend.
Put 2&2 together.
Yes. X needs to increase revenue, in all ways.

Yep. Exactly why I asked the question.

[murray87]

Jameer Nelson Jr is in the portal. That makes me feel even older!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Can you check that link? its only showing recent articles. i would really LOVE to see the top 25 transfer rankings from last year, knowing how the season turned out I wonder how many of those guys made a run in the dance.

Sorry, this should work.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ranking-college-basketballs-best-transfers-for-2022-23-top-25-players-who-used-the-portal-to-find-a-new-team/

[D-West & PO-Z]

Lets hope he makes the trip.....did Sean actually recruit him?

Recruited him and he played a year for Miller.

[Backyard Champ]

NIL money related. He visited WVA last weekend.
Put 2&2 together.
Yes. X needs to increase revenue, in all ways.

What I find strange about this is- Huggins seems like he cares far more about defensive effort and ability. Seems to me like Kerr wouldn’t even be a fit at WVU. I know he has a friend on the team- just don’t know why Huggins would be in enough on him to want spend the amount of NIL money that would cause him to choose WVU over Xavier.

[drudy23]

What I find strange about this is- Huggins seems like he cares far more about defensive effort and ability. Seems to me like Kerr wouldn’t even be a fit at WVU. I know he has a friend on the team- just don’t know why Huggins would be in enough on him to want spend the amount of NIL money that would cause him to choose WVU over Xavier.

Coaches want talent. WVU is losing their top 2 guards.

And it's not Huggs money that is being spent. I doubt he cares as long as the money is there.

[xavierj]

NIL money related. He visited WVA last weekend.
Put 2&2 together.
Yes. X needs to increase revenue, in all ways.

NIL technically Has nothing to do with Xavier and Xavier’s (outside NIL) is better than you think. Surely you know that. Not sure why the narrative with Xavier fans is that outside sources are not offering any NIL money for Xavier. With that said, Sean isn’t playing that game but Xavier will be fine.

[drudy23]

NIL technically Has nothing to do with Xavier and Xavier’s (outside NIL) is better than you think. Surely you know that. Not sure why the narrative with Xavier fans is that outside sources are not offering any NIL money for Xavier. With that said, Sean isn’t playing that game but Xavier will be fine.

People aren't saying it doesn't exist, they're just asking for some of the general data of what is typical for a school like Xavier.

[xavierj]

People aren't saying it doesn't exist, they're just asking for some of the general data of what is typical for a school like Xavier.

That won’t ever happen at Xavier. They will be fine.

[MHettel]

That won’t ever happen at Xavier. They will be fine.

I don’t understand what you are saying.

I think the question(s) are related to how deep the XU pockets are, relative to other schools.

Your answers are non-sensical.

I assume NIL “capacity” is based on 2 main factors. Much like any other sport that has a budget for salary.

It’s the size of the alumni base and the general affluence of the alumni. We’d be considered a small market team if we were a major league sport. Reality

[xavierj]

I don’t understand what you are saying.

I think the question(s) are related to how deep the XU pockets are, relative to other schools.

Your answers are non-sensical.

I assume NIL “capacity” is based on 2 main factors. Much like any other sport that has a budget for salary.

It’s the size of the alumni base and the general affluence of the alumni. We’d be considered a small market team if we were a major league sport. Reality

I don’t disagree. With that said Xavier has outside sources that provide NIL money but we won’t know what that total is. Xavier, while small in size, does very well with basketball compared to similar size universities and has plenty of connected alumni with money. Either way they will be fine and will continue to land high level talent.

[UCGRAD4X]

I don’t disagree. With that said Xavier has outside sources that provide NIL money but we won’t know what that total is. Xavier, while small in size, does very well with basketball compared to similar size universities and has plenty of connected alumni with money. Either way they will be fine and will continue to land high level talent.

They don't have to divvy all that money to football players either.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Sean isn’t playing that game but Xavier will be fine.

Isn't playing the NIL game? I don't buy that for a second. Also that would be a huge mistake. Miller isn't stupid.

[Masterofreality]

Isn't playing the NIL game? I don't buy that for a second. Also that would be a huge mistake. Miller isn't stupid.

Oh yeah. They’re playing it.
Have to!

[drudy23]

Cesare has entered the portal. Not shocking.

Is KyKy next?

[Masterofreality]

Cesare has entered the portal. Not shocking.

Is KyKy next?

Not shocking at all. If Free wasn’t hurt Cesare would have never seen the floor.
I’m sure Sean has had honest conversation with these guys.

[drudy23]

Tucker now in the portal. Also not shocking.

[GoMuskies]

I hope Craft stays.

[Masterofreality]

Tucker now in the portal. Also not shocking.

At least Elijah will always have “The Three at MSG” to look back on.

[nuts4xu]

Isn't playing the NIL game? I don't buy that for a second. Also that would be a huge mistake. Miller isn't stupid.

Xavier is playing the NIL game, but they are not going to out bid other schools for kids wanting to transfer. That is the game Miller isn't playing.

Last off season, it was widely speculated Miami University offered LSU transfer Nigele Peck in the range of $400k. Xavier was recruiting him, but was never going to put up that type coin, and he ended up going to the highest bidder.

My understanding is the NIL program at Xavier is competitive but we will not pursue mercenaries or kids that want to take their services to the highest bidder.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Xavier is playing the NIL game, but they are not going to out bid other schools for kids wanting to transfer. That is the game Miller isn't playing.

Last off season, it was widely speculated Miami University offered LSU transfer Nigele Peck in the range of $400k. Xavier was recruiting him, but was never going to put up that type coin, and he ended up going to the highest bidder.

My understanding is the NIL program at Xavier is competitive but we will not pursue mercenaries or kids that want to take their services to the highest bidder.

It is less about not wanting to than not being able to. I absolutely understand Xavier wont be the "highest bidder" on some players and probably will on others.

There are also others who will want to come play at X for Miller specifically due to whatever reason and NIL wont be the deciding factor but that person will get NIL money as well.

Lets all stop pretending that Miller and/or Xavier is taking some anti NIL/players wanting to get the most stance though. Xavier just can't compete with Miami offering 800K for 2 years for a guy. They aren't taking some moral stance, if they could compete with that they would. It certainly has worked out quite well for Miami.

[nuts4xu]

Lets all stop pretending that Miller and/or Xavier is taking some anti NIL/players wanting to get the most stance though. Xavier just can't compete with Miami offering 800K for 2 years for a guy. They aren't taking some moral stance, if they could compete with that they would. It certainly has worked out quite well for Miami.

Does anyone have that opinion? I don't recall anyone with that viewpoint. If money is the deciding factor, Xavier likely isn't the best fit. That is the stance Sean Miller is taking, not some moral high ground that he doesn't want to pay a player. Just that Xavier isn't going to out bid anyone. Players will get paid at Xavier, some will get paid well. But we don't have the resources nor the time to spend chasing the type of player that ONLY cares about getting the most money for their services.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Xavier is playing the NIL game, but they are not going to out bid other schools for kids wanting to transfer. That is the game Miller isn't playing.

Last off season, it was widely speculated Miami University offered LSU transfer Nigele Peck in the range of $400k. Xavier was recruiting him, but was never going to put up that type coin, and he ended up going to the highest bidder.

My understanding is the NIL program at Xavier is competitive but we will not pursue mercenaries or kids that want to take their services to the highest bidder.

Just to be clear, that was the University of Miami (not Miami U in Oxford) that bid in $450K per year, for Pack----a total of nearly $900K. At least, that is the sum quoted by the media. The announcers during the Miami - Texas game also quoted that number. Doesn't mean it is accurate because NIL isn't very transparent, but it has been the number widely quoted. BTW, for those who argue this year's final four confirms that College hoops isn't going to follow Charles Barkley's prediction, I point to the U. They were reportedly very active in NIL for both Men's and Women's hoops and look at the results. Men's team is in its first final four and Women's team made the Sweet Sixteen for the first time. That, of course, doesn't prove anything but it can be seen as confirmatory evidence that NIL matters. Is going to be interesting to watch what happens to college sports over the next few years.

I hope X doesn't pursue the players who just want to get paid. On the one hand, I cannot blame many of the players---especially those who will likely never go pro and haven't taken the free education part of a full ride seriously. Nigel Pack money may be the biggest financial opportunity they will ever see. On the other hand, free agency in professional sports is one of the factors that has made it less interesting to follow for some, like me. Player turnover can loosen the bond between team and fan.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Does anyone have that opinion? I don't recall anyone with that viewpoint. If money is the deciding factor, Xavier likely isn't the best fit. That is the stance Sean Miller is taking, not some moral high ground that he doesn't want to pay a player. Just that Xavier isn't going to out bid anyone. Players will get paid at Xavier, some will get paid well. But we don't have the resources nor the time to spend chasing the type of player that ONLY cares about getting the most money for their services.

I believe that in some instances Miller identifies a guy he wants and Xavier is also the highest bidder.

I do agree that Xavier won't be able to outbid many schools for certain guys who would not be worth going after.

But for example, say Boum was a guy Miller identified he wanted and Boum was also a guy who was interested in going to whoever offered him the most NIL money. Boum last offseason didn't seem to be all that highly sought after in the portal, there could have been a match where Boum wanted the most he could get and Xavier offered him the most.

So I agree there are some guys who will be out of reach who won't be worth pursuing, I disagree Miller disregards any transfer who is looking to get the most they can.

[xuphan]

Does anyone have that opinion? I don't recall anyone with that viewpoint. If money is the deciding factor, Xavier likely isn't the best fit. That is the stance Sean Miller is taking, not some moral high ground that he doesn't want to pay a player. Just that Xavier isn't going to out bid anyone. Players will get paid at Xavier, some will get paid well. But we don't have the resources nor the time to spend chasing the type of player that ONLY cares about getting the most money for their services.

Sean will have a roster mostly full of players he recruited next year. Should be interesting to see who he can get from the portal. Maybe make a sneaky bid for Bronny James. Who knows. Buckle up. Gonna be quite the ride during the portal window.

[bjf123]

Jameer Nelson Jr is in the portal. That makes me feel even older!

Me, too! Ugh.


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[MHettel]

Well, it appears that some degree of reality is setting in.

The portal "window" may well turn out to be more important annually than the traditional recruiting window. In fact, I'm fully expecting that.

But I think there is alot more reality that we maybe dont want to face.

When deciding on a new school, I think about 80% of the final decision will come down to the amount of NIL money offered. By that, I mean if all other things were equal and a player was considering 2 schools, that if one offer was less than 80% of the other, then the larger offer will be the deciding factor.

I'll take that idea even further. It is very rare that "all things are equal", and I think 50% of ALL transfer decisions will be based on NIL Money. Take this scenario: School A is in a very good conference with a quality coach and a tournament worthy roster, and is offering 100K in NIL. Team B is Miami (OH) and is offering 200K. remember, you are a 20 year old kid.

Money is going to be a major factor and in some cases will be the only factor.

Anyone can see this in hindsight. But can you see it in foresight? This is happening. The biggest and most popular teams will dominate the NIL "market" with "corporate" dollars designed to return some marketing benefit. Then big affluent alumni bases will also play a big role by just funneling money directly to kids with no apparent marketing obligation of the kid.

the more I look at the way the rosters of some of the NCAA teams that went deep were constructed, the more convinced i am that we are just at the edge of this wave.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Well, it appears that some degree of reality is setting in.

The portal "window" may well turn out to be more important annually than the traditional recruiting window. In fact, I'm fully expecting that.

But I think there is alot more reality that we maybe dont want to face.

When deciding on a new school, I think about 80% of the final decision will come down to the amount of NIL money offered. By that, I mean if all other things were equal and a player was considering 2 schools, that if one offer was less than 80% of the other, then the larger offer will be the deciding factor.

I'll take that idea even further. It is very rare that "all things are equal", and I think 50% of ALL transfer decisions will be based on NIL Money. Take this scenario: School A is in a very good conference with a quality coach and a tournament worthy roster, and is offering 100K in NIL. Team B is Miami (OH) and is offering 200K. remember, you are a 20 year old kid.

Money is going to be a major factor and in some cases will be the only factor.

Anyone can see this in hindsight. But can you see it in foresight? This is happening. The biggest and most popular teams will dominate the NIL "market" with "corporate" dollars designed to return some marketing benefit. Then big affluent alumni bases will also play a big role by just funneling money directly to kids with no apparent marketing obligation of the kid.

the more I look at the way the rosters of some of the NCAA teams that went deep were constructed, the more convinced i am that we are just at the edge of this wave.

What is it specifically that bothers you about this? Is it like a sanctity of amateurism in college sports type deal? If not, what?

The largest schools with the most money have always dominated college athletics. So what is the big change you see happening? The only difference is the athletes themselves now have a lot more power and are benefiting financially.

What is it about people using their leverage to get the most money they can that bothers you so much?

Why would you give two shits that the athlete in your scenario picked Miami OH? Also, that does the opposite of what you are predicting, Miami OH, who usually stinks, now has an opportunity to level the playing field.

[94GRAD]

What is it specifically that bothers you about this? Is it like a sanctity of amateurism in college sports type deal? If not, what?

The largest schools with the most money have always dominated college athletics. So what is the big change you see happening? The only difference is the athletes themselves now have a lot more power and are benefiting financially.

What is it about people using their leverage to get the most money they can that bothers you so much?

Why would you give two shits that the athlete in your scenario picked Miami OH? Also, that does the opposite of what you are predicting, Miami OH, who usually stinks, now has an opportunity to level the playing field.

Public reps, the man is keeping me down.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

And, now, like a Woke mob, fellow posters descend on Hettel because he finds the NIL money grab distasteful. I'm with you Hettel.

[D-West & PO-Z]

And, now, like a Woke mob, fellow posters descend on Hettel because he finds the NIL money grab distasteful. I'm with you Hettel.

Asking questions about why it bothers someone is akin to a "woke mob"? Don't be a snowflake.

Why does it bother you? Dislike capitalism? Or is it the amateur thing?

[Final4]

What is it specifically that bothers you about this? Is it like a sanctity of amateurism in college sports type deal? If not, what?

The largest schools with the most money have always dominated college athletics. So what is the big change you see happening? The only difference is the athletes themselves now have a lot more power and are benefiting financially.

What is it about people using their leverage to get the most money they can that bothers you so much?

Why would you give two shits that the athlete in your scenario picked Miami OH? Also, that does the opposite of what you are predicting, Miami OH, who usually stinks, now has an opportunity to level the playing field.


It appears that you support paying players or more specifically paying players through the NIL model. Let me ask you a question. Would you be upset if Sean Miller announced next year that he had accepted a head coaching job with another school and the reason why he was leaving Xavier was because he didn’t feel he could be successful due to insufficient NIL funding (sorry for the run-on sentence)?

[Xville]

I guess the ones that have a problem with nil are the ones who have stuck their heads in the sand and believe that players weren’t getting paid for decades under the table. Must be nice to live in the world of fantasy and make believe.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It appears that you support paying players or more specifically paying players through the NIL model. Let me ask you a question. Would you be upset if Sean Miller announced next year that he had accepted a head coaching job with another school and the reason why he was leaving Xavier was because he didn’t feel he could be successful due to insufficient NIL funding (sorry for the run-on sentence)?

That would suck for Xavier, but because that sucks for Xavier do I think every college player who can make money off their image and likeness should be denied the right to do so? Heck no. However, Miller knows exactly the situation he's walking into at X, what the advantages are, and what the limitations are, so I'd be pretty surprised if that happened. Plus this is already, essentially, why Miller left in 2009 the first time. For a program that was bigger, with more resources.

Anyway this is all a moot point to discuss in terms of it we like it or not. It isn't going anywhere. It isn't even a rule the NCAA decided on that they can now take away. The courts told them they can't stop it. Not legally allowed.

Now do I think some more common sense things can be applied to some of this stuff? Sure, probably more portal related than NIL though. I think there probably should be more of a defined portal period, no just something that is open all the time. I think that should be the case for coaches leaving their teams for another too though (seems to be more of an issue in football) where they are leaving, in some instances, before huge meaningful bowl games.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It appears that you support paying players or more specifically paying players through the NIL model. Let me ask you a question. Would you be upset if Sean Miller announced next year that he had accepted a head coaching job with another school and the reason why he was leaving Xavier was because he didn’t feel he could be successful due to insufficient NIL funding (sorry for the run-on sentence)?

Here is a question for you. It appears you support coaches being allowed to make as much money as they want, and as much as someone will pay them. Would you be upset if UNC fired Hubert Davis tomorrow and offered Sean Miller 9 million per year to coach at UNC, and Miller took it stating it was life changing money he could not pass up for his family?

[Final4]

Here is a question for you. It appears you support coaches being allowed to make as much money as they want, and as much as someone will pay them. Would you be upset if UNC fired Hubert Davis tomorrow and offered Sean Miller 9 million per year to coach at UNC, and Miller took it stating it was life changing money he could not pass up for his family?

I'll you what........I asked my question first so how 'bout you answer mine and then I'll answer yours.

[94GRAD]

It appears that you support paying players or more specifically paying players through the NIL model. Let me ask you a question. Would you be upset if Sean Miller announced next year that he had accepted a head coaching job with another school and the reason why he was leaving Xavier was because he didn’t feel he could be successful due to insufficient NIL funding (sorry for the run-on sentence)?

X has had 6 of its last 7 coaches leave because they didn't think they could win at the highest level for one reason or another. NIL would just be another "excuse" for a coach to leave.

[xudash]

A slight refocusing on the topic, given that NIL is most likely here to stay in some form.

What are outcomes/realities that could bring sanity to the NIL environment (if I am allowed to presume that NIL is here to stay, but is operating at a more feverish level out of the gate at this point)?

I see two potential governing possibilities:

1. Supply and demand of available talent; and

2. Funding fatigue on the part of NIL sponsors who don't always realize their perceived/stated objectives with the NIL-funded player.


Re #1: As has been pointed out, there has always been a stratification of talent in the sport with the most talented going to the bigger programs, and with most of those players, if not all of them receiving "support" for choosing those schools. Are we at a place in the pecking order that will still allow us to operate effectively with a sufficient talent pool for Sean? Does the supply of available talent at the level we require it outpace the demand for NIL-targeted players we may want? I guess we could draw conclusions from rating services lists, etc., but part of this is complicated by the amount of oxygen that football playing schools are going to suck away from each other as they chase football players on the NIL side. Yes, bigger schools, so more NIL co-op space, but still, they have to make room for at least 22 starters on both sides of the ball for football. I don't have an answer for this, obviously. I'm just wondering if the issue is abated somewhat by having enough of a talent pool to begin with, and then having a little competitive relief from the fact that the "P5" crowd has other funding issues to address.

Re #2: Here is where I may be naive, but how does a SPONSOR achieve true marketing value from a kid who may only be around for one, two or a few years? As I've noted before, an 18-year old or a 22-year old basketball player isn't going to sell me a car. Beyond that, what if my INVESTMENT breaks an ankle or something and is left sitting on the bench watching the game? Corporate NIL deals. Publicly traded companies spending this way in their marketing departments? NCAAT sponsors maybe - look at AT&T. But that is a very few people benefitting from that one. Privately-held company that makes a lot of money? So you make a lot of money - 7-digits a year - but are you going to be willing to go out of pocket for this stuff over multiple years to the tune of six-digit installments over those years? Perhaps, if you're one of the avid boosters. Perhaps not, or perhaps it gets old after a while as you assess the value of the NIL "investment" and other ways of supporting your school. Here is where I get back to worrying mostly about the collectives as I understand them. Big schools with huge alumni bases that PayPal there way online through $5 and $10 here and there over 40,000 people. Wait. That tops out at $400k. Good for ony player for the "U."

Now I'm babbling. The question remains: what could bring sanity to this area. Who is paying for C. J. Stroud's scheduled maintenance calls at the Bentley dealership? Well, bad example.

[MHettel]

I guess the ones that have a problem with nil are the ones who have stuck their heads in the sand and believe that players weren’t getting paid for decades under the table. Must be nice to live in the world of fantasy and make believe.

This is flat earth level shit.

I'm sure that in the most exceptional circumstances players were getting paid modest amounts. Like VERY rarely were players getting paid at all, and usually probably more like the "hundred dollar handshake."

To say that "its no different than it's always been, i'ts just not being hidden anymore" is just ridiculous.

[Masterofreality]

And KyKy has entered the Portal

[MHettel]

Asking questions about why it bothers someone is akin to a "woke mob"? Don't be a snowflake.

Why does it bother you? Dislike capitalism? Or is it the amateur thing?

Maybe I just think the Value of the Scholarhip (and assorted other benefits) is sufficient. Actually, I dont think that. I think a stipend for players would be appropriate. But only to the extent that the stipend amount is uniform for all players at all schools for a certain sport. I'd be in favor of 1000 a month per player during the school year. this gets them off the "Ramen Plan", and allows them to upgrade to the "frozen chicken strips plan".

I didnt think you needed a free education AND a sports car.

By the way, at this juncture, I would like to see the scholarships revoked and just have kids pay their own way using the NIL money. Why not?

[GoMuskies]

Maybe I just think the Value of the Scholarhip (and assorted other benefits) is sufficient. Actually, I dont think that. I think a stipend for players would be appropriate. But only to the extent that the stipend amount is uniform for all players at all schools for a certain sport. I'd be in favor of 1000 a month per player during the school year. this gets them off the "Ramen Plan", and allows them to upgrade to the "frozen chicken strips plan".

This exists. It's about $3k per semester.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'll you what........I asked my question first so how 'bout you answer mine and then I'll answer yours.

I already did right before this post you quoted.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maybe I just think the Value of the Scholarhip (and assorted other benefits) is sufficient. Actually, I dont think that. I think a stipend for players would be appropriate. But only to the extent that the stipend amount is uniform for all players at all schools for a certain sport. I'd be in favor of 1000 a month per player during the school year. this gets them off the "Ramen Plan", and allows them to upgrade to the "frozen chicken strips plan".

I didnt think you needed a free education AND a sports car.

By the way, at this juncture, I would like to see the scholarships revoked and just have kids pay their own way using the NIL money. Why not?

So is it jealousy? Or a yearning for how things used to be? If the market dictates they are worth more then why do you care they get more? Do you think 2 million should be enough for Miller and other coaches, why do they need 4 million and 6 million and on?

Being worried about Xavier's ability to keep up and the detrimental effects it may have on their program if they don't keep up makes a lot more sense to me as a reason to wish things were how the used to be. But if even smaller schools, or mid major schools are competing at a high level, I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would care.

However, to each their own. Not trying to convince you to feel differently.

[xubrew]

A slight refocusing on the topic, given that NIL is most likely here to stay in some form.

What are outcomes/realities that could bring sanity to the NIL environment (if I am allowed to presume that NIL is here to stay, but is operating at a more feverish level out of the gate at this point)?

I see two potential governing possibilities:

1. Supply and demand of available talent; and

2. Funding fatigue on the part of NIL sponsors who don't always realize their perceived/stated objectives with the NIL-funded player.


Re #1: As has been pointed out, there has always been a stratification of talent in the sport with the most talented going to the bigger programs, and with most of those players, if not all of them receiving "support" for choosing those schools. Are we at a place in the pecking order that will still allow us to operate effectively with a sufficient talent pool for Sean? Does the supply of available talent at the level we require it outpace the demand for NIL-targeted players we may want? I guess we could draw conclusions from rating services lists, etc., but part of this is complicated by the amount of oxygen that football playing schools are going to suck away from each other as they chase football players on the NIL side. Yes, bigger schools, so more NIL co-op space, but still, they have to make room for at least 22 starters on both sides of the ball for football. I don't have an answer for this, obviously. I'm just wondering if the issue is abated somewhat by having enough of a talent pool to begin with, and then having a little competitive relief from the fact that the "P5" crowd has other funding issues to address.

Re #2: Here is where I may be naive, but how does a SPONSOR achieve true marketing value from a kid who may only be around for one, two or a few years? As I've noted before, an 18-year old or a 22-year old basketball player isn't going to sell me a car. Beyond that, what if my INVESTMENT breaks an ankle or something and is left sitting on the bench watching the game? Corporate NIL deals. Publicly traded companies spending this way in their marketing departments? NCAAT sponsors maybe - look at AT&T. But that is a very few people benefitting from that one. Privately-held company that makes a lot of money? So you make a lot of money - 7-digits a year - but are you going to be willing to go out of pocket for this stuff over multiple years to the tune of six-digit installments over those years? Perhaps, if you're one of the avid boosters. Perhaps not, or perhaps it gets old after a while as you assess the value of the NIL "investment" and other ways of supporting your school. Here is where I get back to worrying mostly about the collectives as I understand them. Big schools with huge alumni bases that PayPal there way online through $5 and $10 here and there over 40,000 people. Wait. That tops out at $400k. Good for ony player for the "U."

Now I'm babbling. The question remains: what could bring sanity to this area. Who is paying for C. J. Stroud's scheduled maintenance calls at the Bentley dealership? Well, bad example.

I think this is a very important question, and that it taps into something that most people are missing.

Think back to the scandals with the apparel companies and agents. Why were they doing that?? It wasn't so much to sell a product as it was to get access to and build relationships with players. Basketball is a global game. It doesn't have the global appeal that soccer has, but it is a global game. Most people don't realize this either, but more than half of all D1 players end up playing professionally somewhere in the world, and the vast majority end up making over $70k a year. A large percentage of players make a lot more than that. For P5 schools, I believe that number is close to 80%. That's not NBA money, but it's some money. Most agents will make anywhere from 4% to 15% of a contract. That's why agents and bag men are willing to give money to players, and the apparel companies were willing to front that money in exchange for access to an agent's really good players.

Far more basketball players were getting money that they technically were not supposed to be getting than what most people ever realized. Sometimes it wasn't even coming from the school or from a booster. Many times a school may not have even known. So, in men's basketball, at the D1 level, while a lot of money may be officially coming from a "sponsor" MOST of the time I don't think it's because of that particular player's marketing value for that partuclar company, but rather as a way for companies to get closer to agents and for agents to get closer to players.

And there is a whole big session on NIL at this year's Coaches Convention at the Final Four. And while oftentimes nothing ever changes during and after conventions, I'm kind of curious to hear about how this goes.

[MHettel]

So is it jealousy? Or a yearning for how things used to be? If the market dictates they are worth more then why do you care they get more? Do you think 2 million should be enough for Miller and other coaches, why do they need 4 million and 6 million and on?

Being worried about Xavier's ability to keep up and the detrimental effects it may have on their program if they don't keep up makes a lot more sense to me as a reason to wish things were how the used to be. But if even smaller schools, or mid major schools are competing at a high level, I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would care.

However, to each their own. Not trying to convince you to feel differently.

I dont mean to break the news here, but this IS an internet message board. And I AM just voicing my opinion about how I feel about the situation. You get that right? I dont like it. I loved college basketball just the way it was. It wasnt perfect, but I'm not on some mission to make it perfect either.

I think having crazy roster turnover year after year will diminish my level of enjoying the game.

I also think that getting a free education to play a sport and be on TV would be a DREAM for most kids and yet we're bitching about them not ALSO getting 6 figure salaries and sports cars. Thats a bit unsavory to me.

Its about me. I dont like it.

It's laugable that people were like "ah, it's nothing, things will be the same." We are one year into it and the whole thing is turned on it's head.

[XUBison]

I guess the ones that have a problem with nil are the ones who have stuck their heads in the sand and believe that players weren’t getting paid for decades under the table. Must be nice to live in the world of fantasy and make believe.

I am not opposed to NIL, but this statement is utter nonsense.

[Xville]

I am not opposed to NIL, but this statement is utter nonsense.

To the extent of what some are allegedly making now, maybe. However, I think it is utter nonsense that people think players weren’t being paid.

I guess all that stuff the fbi found was just nonsense and that those players were the only ones getting paid. Like come on man.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I dont mean to break the news here, but this IS an internet message board. And I AM just voicing my opinion about how I feel about the situation. You get that right? I dont like it. I loved college basketball just the way it was. It wasnt perfect, but I'm not on some mission to make it perfect either.

I think having crazy roster turnover year after year will diminish my level of enjoying the game.

I also think that getting a free education to play a sport and be on TV would be a DREAM for most kids and yet we're bitching about them not ALSO getting 6 figure salaries and sports cars. Thats a bit unsavory to me.

Its about me. I dont like it.

It's laugable that people were like "ah, it's nothing, things will be the same." We are one year into it and the whole thing is turned on it's head.

Fair enough.

So it is fair to say you no longer love college basketball then?

[Xville]

This is flat earth level shit.

I'm sure that in the most exceptional circumstances players were getting paid modest amounts. Like VERY rarely were players getting paid at all, and usually probably more like the "hundred dollar handshake."

To say that "its no different than it's always been, i'ts just not being hidden anymore" is just ridiculous.

Yeah will wade, pitino, cal, self etc etc etc only tried to pay a player once and never again and ayton was the only one who got paid to go to zona. Come on.

I guess all those UCLA players went to play for wooden for funsies.

I don’t think it was as widespread as it is now, but I think it happened significantly and to think otherwise in my mind is pretty naive

[xubrew]

Yeah will wade, pitino, cal, self etc etc etc only tried to pay a player once and never again and ayton was the only one who got paid to go to zona. Come on.

I guess all those UCLA players went to play for wooden for funsies.

I don’t think it was as widespread as it is now, but I think it happened significantly and to think otherwise in my mind is pretty naive

I think it was incredibly widespread. Perhaps not to the degree it is now that there is NIL, but think of it like this. Now that NIL is here a lot of people want to pay players now that are not under the umbrella of the NCAA and feel no obligation whatsoever to follow any of the NCAA's rules. They did not just all of a sudden start wanting to do that a year ago.

[Xville]

I think it was incredibly widespread. Perhaps not to the degree it is now that there is NIL, but think of it like this. Now that NIL is here a lot of people want to pay players now that are not under the umbrella of the NCAA and feel no obligation whatsoever to follow any of the NCAA's rules. They did not just all of a sudden start wanting to do that a year ago.

Thank you. I think some here just want to believe what they want to believe even though there was smoke and in some cases fire for decades. Nothing to see here folks

[XUBison]

[QUOTE=D-West & PO-Z;760119]
…The largest schools with the most money have always dominated college athletics. So what is the big change you see happening? The only difference is the athletes themselves now have a lot more power and are benefiting financially…/QUOTE]

1. The largest schools with the most money? You mean like Minnesota, Arizona State, Texas A&M, Penn State, Georgia, et al.? They have dominated schools like Xavier, Gonzaga, Creighton, Villanova, Baylor, Miami, et al.? This point is wrong.

2. Fine with me if players benefit financially, but power? Were the players in need of more power? Why? Because of those meany coaches? Even Huggie-Bear’s former players love the guy.

[XUGRAD80]

I personally could very easily get to a point where my fandom for college sports could waiver. Where I could be driven away from watching on TV and/or in person. I do not want professionals representing a college. But I’m realistic enough to know that my opinion is very possibly that of the minority. So take it for what it’s worth. I’m not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking and therefore won’t offer up reasons why one should. We all have to make our decisions for ourselves. I will only offer up this for your consideration….

The NFL is by far the most popular sports organization in the US, perhaps even the world. Some years ago the owners realized that having just a handful of the same teams capable of winning the championship was not good for business. It would turn off more fans than it would bring in. So they, in cooperation with the players Union, have instituted several rules that are designed to “even the playing field” and make sure that all teams have an equal opportunity to compete with each other. Some may call that socialism or communism, but I call it smart business. No one can deny the success of the NFL. No NFL team loses money.

On the other hand you have Major League Baseball, once our “national pastime” and the most popular leisure activity in the country. They have gone the opposite route. Big market teams with big bucks dominate. Rosters change yearly now, where before the players became synonymous with a city or a franchise. The players were part of the community. Realistically only a few franchises have a chance of winning. And what has happened? Attendance across the league is down. TV viewership is down. Fan interest is down. Teams are actually losing money.

IMHO…..the NCAA and all of the colleges need to look at MLB closely and do whatever they can to not repeat their mistakes. If they don’t get some kind of handle on this NIL system, and the money that is out there for a select few colleges and not others, the casual fans are going to lose interest, and the colleges are going to lose fans. And when that happens in a large scale way, what then?

[OTRMUSKIE]

Well by the looks of the final 4 I would say the NIL is doing the opposite of what everybody is afraid of. With the exception of UCONN the rest are first timers. I think the NIL is going to finally let lesser known schools finally compete. It only takes one rich donor.

[BandAid]

I don’t think it’s the role of the ncaa to ensure parity.

[BandAid]

Well by the looks of the final 4 I would say the NIL is doing the opposite of what everybody is afraid of. With the exception of UCONN the rest are first timers. I think the NIL is going to finally let lesser known schools finally compete. It only takes one rich donor.

Which school is more likely to have a wealthy alumnus with a wild hair for college athletics, a school with a student body of 100,000 or a school of 10,000?

[Masterofreality]

Wyoming transfer Graham Ike on X campus today.
Ike is a 6-foot-9, 255-pound center who averaged 19.5 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 1.3 assists for the Cowboys during the 2021-22 season.
A leg injury caused him to miss all of this season
He has three years of eligibility remaining.

[D-West & PO-Z]

1. The largest schools with the most money? You mean like Minnesota, Arizona State, Texas A&M, Penn State, Georgia, et al.? They have dominated schools like Xavier, Gonzaga, Creighton, Villanova, Baylor, Miami, et al.? This point is wrong.

2. Fine with me if players benefit financially, but power? Were the players in need of more power? Why? Because of those meany coaches? Even Huggie-Bear’s former players love the guy.

Yes by all means pick the worst basketball schools in all the power conferences to make your point. :rolleyes:

What issue do you have with the players having more power to make choices that benefit them?

Seems we have a lot of guys on this board who wish they were good enough to be star college athletes but because they weren't think everyone who is should just be happy they are, shut up, know their place, and not ask for anything more. Kinda weird. :headscratch:

[XUGRAD80]

I don’t think it’s the role of the ncaa to ensure parity.

NCAA Principles….

Bylaw 2.10 The Principle of Competitive Equity. The structure and programs of the Association and the activities of its members shall promote opportunity for equity in competition to ensure that individual student-athletes and institutions will not be prevented unfairly from achieving the benefits inherent in participation in intercollegiate athletics.


Parity in results? No.

Parity in opportunity? Yes, within the realities of the world and as much as they can do with the rules. No one is crazy enough to think that a school like Ohio State doesn’t have built in advantages over a school like Xavier. Leaving the NIL out of it, they have dozens of advantages in money, facilities, student body size, educational options, etc. that X will never have. But the NCAA rules are designed in part to make sure that even with those built in advantages, that X can still compete (if they choose to) on as even a playing field as they can make it.

I’m only saying that if the NIL is left without any kind of structure designed to minimize the advantages, that it might actually kill the hand that feeds it…..fandom. What good are the names, images, and likenesses if nobody cares? If nobody is watching?

[XUGRAD80]

Bylaw 2.9….Amateurism

2.9 The Principle of Amateurism. Student-athletes shall be amateurs in an intercollegiate sport, and their participation should be motivated primarily by education and by the physical, mental and social benefits to be derived. Student participation in intercollegiate athletics is an avocation, and student-athletes should be protected from exploitation by professional and commercial enterprises.

[Xville]

Wyoming transfer Graham Ike on X campus today.
Ike is a 6-foot-9, 255-pound center who averaged 19.5 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 1.3 assists for the Cowboys during the 2021-22 season.
A leg injury caused him to miss all of this season
He has three years of eligibility remaining.

I want him badly. This is a guy you nil big time for. He has big East material written all over him

[Xville]

NCAA Principles….

Bylaw 2.10 The Principle of Competitive Equity. The structure and programs of the Association and the activities of its members shall promote opportunity for equity in competition to ensure that individual student-athletes and institutions will not be prevented unfairly from achieving the benefits inherent in participation in intercollegiate athletics.

None of that is about parity

[D-West & PO-Z]

I personally could very easily get to a point where my fandom for college sports could waiver. Where I could be driven away from watching on TV and/or in person. I do not want professionals representing a college. But I’m realistic enough to know that my opinion is very possibly that of the minority. So take it for what it’s worth. I’m not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking and therefore won’t offer up reasons why one should. We all have to make our decisions for ourselves. I will only offer up this for your consideration….

The NFL is by far the most popular sports organization in the US, perhaps even the world. Some years ago the owners realized that having just a handful of the same teams capable of winning the championship was not good for business. It would turn off more fans than it would bring in. So they, in cooperation with the players Union, have instituted several rules that are designed to “even the playing field” and make sure that all teams have an equal opportunity to compete with each other. Some may call that socialism or communism, but I call it smart business. No one can deny the success of the NFL. No NFL team loses money.

On the other hand you have Major League Baseball, once our “national pastime” and the most popular leisure activity in the country. They have gone the opposite route. Big market teams with big bucks dominate. Rosters change yearly now, where before the players became synonymous with a city or a franchise. The players were part of the community. Realistically only a few franchises have a chance of winning. And what has happened? Attendance across the league is down. TV viewership is down. Fan interest is down. Teams are actually losing money.

IMHO…..the NCAA and all of the colleges need to look at MLB closely and do whatever they can to not repeat their mistakes. If they don’t get some kind of handle on this NIL system, and the money that is out there for a select few colleges and not others, the casual fans are going to lose interest, and the colleges are going to lose fans. And when that happens in a large scale way, what then?

Interesting points but I don't think I agree with all of them.

1. 11 different MLB teams have won the last 15 World Series. So more than a few teams are capable of winning. That is over 1/3rd of the teams in MLB winning the last 15 years.

2. The NFL was ahead of its time. Wellington Mara (former owner of the Giants) was the one instrumental in instituting revenue sharing throughout the league to keep all teams competitive. His nickname was "The Duke". Because of his efforts every football used has "The Duke" on it. So I agree it has worked for the NFL. I think baseball is because of other issues, not because only a handful of teams can win. I am excited about some of the rule changes happening in baseball this year.

3. I think the opposite of what you are saying is true in college sports. Most casual fans aren't a big time fan of any one school. They tune in to watch the big boys. I can't tell you how many opinions I have read and heard the last few days on radio, in print, about how no blue bloods in the Final 4 is going to be awful for the Final 4 and no one is going to be interested or tune in. I think the same hold true to some extent for football. People will tune in to see Bama vs Ohio State in the CFP but couldn't care less about TCU vs. Washington.

[Xville]

Interesting points but I don't think I agree with all of them.

1. 11 different MLB teams have won the last 15 World Series. So more than a few teams are capable of winning. That is over 1/3rd of the teams in MLB winning the last 15 years.

2. The NFL was ahead of its time. Wellington Mara (former owner of the Giants) was the one instrumental in instituting revenue sharing throughout the league to keep all teams competitive. His nickname was "The Duke". Because of his efforts every football used has "The Duke" on it. So I agree it has worked for the NFL. I think baseball is because of other issues, not because only a handful of teams can win. I am excited about some of the rule changes happening in baseball this year.

3. I think the opposite of what you are saying is true in college sports. Most casual fans aren't a big time fan of any one school. They tune in to watch the big boys. I can't tell you how many opinions I have read and heard the last few days on radio, in print, about how no blue bloods in the Final 4 is going to be awful for the Final 4 and no one is going to be interested or tune in. I think the same hold true to some extent for football. People will tune in to see Bama vs Ohio State in the CFP but couldn't care less about TCU vs. Washington.

Yep.. check out the ratings for the final four this year. I’m willing to bet they will be the lowest in quite some time. The ratings have been pretty bad this tourney and it’s because the big boys aren’t there outside of uconn. Everyone likes seeing Princeton and fau win their first game, then it’s ok let’s get to the big boys.

[MHettel]

Wyoming transfer Graham Ike on X campus today.
Ike is a 6-foot-9, 255-pound center who averaged 19.5 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 1.3 assists for the Cowboys during the 2021-22 season.
A leg injury caused him to miss all of this season
He has three years of eligibility remaining.

yes, please!

[MHettel]

Bylaw 2.9….Amateurism

2.9 The Principle of Amateurism. Student-athletes shall be amateurs in an intercollegiate sport, and their participation should be motivated primarily by education and by the physical, mental and social benefits to be derived. Student participation in intercollegiate athletics is an avocation, and student-athletes should be protected from exploitation by professional and commercial enterprises.

Hogwash!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wyoming transfer Graham Ike on X campus today.
Ike is a 6-foot-9, 255-pound center who averaged 19.5 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 1.3 assists for the Cowboys during the 2021-22 season.
A leg injury caused him to miss all of this season
He has three years of eligibility remaining.

Bringing in some beef!

[XUGRAD80]

Hogwash!


Maybe…..but it IS part of the NCAA rule book.

[MHettel]

Maybe…..but it IS part of the NCAA rule book.

yeah, the part that is ignored in it's entirety.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Yes by all means pick the worst basketball schools in all the power conferences to make your point. :rolleyes:

What issue do you have with the players having more power to make choices that benefit them?

Seems we have a lot of guys on this board who wish they were good enough to be star college athletes but because they weren't think everyone who is should just be happy they are, shut up, know their place, and not ask for anything more. Kinda weird. :headscratch:

The principle of Occam's Razor states the simplest answer is often the best. So, when someone says they feel less connected to a college team with high turnover and they believe the NIL is contributing to said level of turnover, well, that's a pretty simple answer. And, for me, one that is quite believable. That people disagree with you because they were not star college athletes doesn't, to me, seem like a well-considered thesis. It seems like it is intended as more of insult than an argument. Nor do I find it weird that others on this board may not share my opinion. One of the great benefits to this board, beyond sharing of information, is sharing of opinions. I am not bothered that you disagree with me nor will I attack you or insult you simply because you hold a different view.

A fundamental premise of your argument seems to be that collegiate athletes are victims and coaches, administrations and, yes, even fans, like me, are oppressors. If that is accurate, I don't buy that premise. But that isn't to say that I don't also agree with some facets of NIL. I just think it appears to quickly be getting out of hand and I worry that I may lose the current connection with Xavier basketball.

I don't believe athletes should "know their place" or "shut up and not ask for anything". That's an old Obama ploy called the Straw Man Argument. State the other guy's argument in a negative, demeaning and inaccurate way----so exaggerated and misstated that its easily knocked down. I suppose we are inching closer to the nuclear argument that since many (if not most) college basketball players are African American, those of us questioning NIL are racist. Is that next?

[A Fan]

I personally could very easily get to a point where my fandom for college sports could waiver. Where I could be driven away from watching on TV and/or in person. I do not want professionals representing a college. But I’m realistic enough to know that my opinion is very possibly that of the minority. So take it for what it’s worth. I’m not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking and therefore won’t offer up reasons why one should. We all have to make our decisions for ourselves. I will only offer up this for your consideration….

The NFL is by far the most popular sports organization in the US, perhaps even the world. Some years ago the owners realized that having just a handful of the same teams capable of winning the championship was not good for business. It would turn off more fans than it would bring in. So they, in cooperation with the players Union, have instituted several rules that are designed to “even the playing field” and make sure that all teams have an equal opportunity to compete with each other. Some may call that socialism or communism, but I call it smart business. No one can deny the success of the NFL. No NFL team loses money.

On the other hand you have Major League Baseball, once our “national pastime” and the most popular leisure activity in the country. They have gone the opposite route. Big market teams with big bucks dominate. Rosters change yearly now, where before the players became synonymous with a city or a franchise. The players were part of the community. Realistically only a few franchises have a chance of winning. And what has happened? Attendance across the league is down. TV viewership is down. Fan interest is down. Teams are actually losing money.

IMHO…..the NCAA and all of the colleges need to look at MLB closely and do whatever they can to not repeat their mistakes. If they don’t get some kind of handle on this NIL system, and the money that is out there for a select few colleges and not others, the casual fans are going to lose interest, and the colleges are going to lose fans. And when that happens in a large scale way, what then?
No sense rehashing the impact NIL’s will have on college basketball. It’s done. The Portal fuels the NIL game. Without the Portal there would little activity. And the “ average “ member of this board has accepted the Portal. Souley Boum comes in for his last year eligibility and everyone accepts him like he was recruited out of high school. Board members will be encouraging Sean to go after certain players in the portal. And for him to let it be known to the “ off the books” independent NIL group to cough up some money for a player in the Portal. How could it work otherwise? My point simply being, using this Board as a barometer, everyone is accepting professionalism in amateur athletics. Go get the best you can afford . And as long as they wear a Xavier Jersey I will follow them no matter where they came from or will soon thereafter go.

[D-West & PO-Z]

A fundamental premise of your argument seems to be that collegiate athletes are victims and coaches, administrations and, yes, even fans, like me, are oppressors. If that is accurate, I don't buy that premise. But that isn't to say that I don't also agree with some facets of NIL. I just think it appears to quickly be getting out of hand and I worry that I may lose the current connection with Xavier basketball.

I don't believe athletes should "know their place" or "shut up and not ask for anything". That's an old Obama ploy called the Straw Man Argument. State the other guy's argument in a negative, demeaning and inaccurate way----so exaggerated and misstated that its easily knocked down. I suppose we are inching closer to the nuclear argument that since many (if not most) college basketball players are African American, those of us questioning NIL are racist. Is that next?

No, I do not think college athletes are victims. Never have said that. I just don't think there is anything wrong with them being able to make money (not even paid by the school) from people who want to pay them for their Name, Image, or Likeness. Why should there be a limit put on that? I just don't get why anyone would care about that. It just seems like old man yelling about back in my day stuff, but again to each their own.

I think you seem to be conflating NIL and the ability to transfer in the portal without penalty. Xavier could have 5 starters every year that all make 1million dollars a year who stay for 4 years and that would not result in any roster turnover. Xavier has not yet had a player who was really good at Xavier transfer for another program due to a good NIL offer. That may happen at some point but it hasn't yet.

However Xavier will have massive roster turnover next year, but mostly because it is Xavier who is telling the guys on the team they aren't in the future plans, not the other way around. I am very glad Miles, Tandy, Tucker, and company will get to go to (presumably) a lower level and not be punished by having to sit out a year.

[Xavier]

I want him badly. This is a guy you nil big time for. He has big East material written all over him

Yep, top of my wish list.

[xu82]

Wyoming transfer Graham Ike on X campus today.
Ike is a 6-foot-9, 255-pound center who averaged 19.5 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 1.3 assists for the Cowboys during the 2021-22 season.
A leg injury caused him to miss all of this season
He has three years of eligibility remaining.

Fingers crossed! This looks like a Big East kind of guy! I fully trust Sean to pick the right guys, then coach them up.

[Three Point Pete]

Wyoming transfer Graham Ike on X campus today.
Ike is a 6-foot-9, 255-pound center who averaged 19.5 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 1.3 assists for the Cowboys during the 2021-22 season.
A leg injury caused him to miss all of this season
He has three years of eligibility remaining.Agreed, I like Ike. Any possibility we could find a transfer named Nixon to run with him[emoji38]

Sent from my SM-A326U using Tapatalk

[Masterofreality]

Agreed, I like Ike. Any possibility we could find a transfer named Nixon to run with him[emoji38]

Sent from my SM-A326U using Tapatalk

Let’s get 6:7 forward Daniel Nixon to transfer from George Washington!

[Xville]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4574710/dayvion-mcknight

This guy will be visiting. Grab him and Ike and that’s one hell of a start!

[JTG]

Does anyone else think Freemantle could end up with Pitino at St. John's? Close to home, bright lights, MSG home games. Seems like something Mom & Dad would prefer.

[Xville]

Does anyone else think Freemantle could end up with Pitino at St. John's? Close to home, bright lights, MSG home games. Seems like something Mom & Dad would prefer.

I think anything with free is on the table, but pitino likes players that actually play defense. Free from the outside seems like someone who likes to be coddled.. pitino isn’t going to put up with that bs either

[D-West & PO-Z]

It appears that you support paying players or more specifically paying players through the NIL model. Let me ask you a question. Would you be upset if Sean Miller announced next year that he had accepted a head coaching job with another school and the reason why he was leaving Xavier was because he didn’t feel he could be successful due to insufficient NIL funding (sorry for the run-on sentence)?


Here is a question for you. It appears you support coaches being allowed to make as much money as they want, and as much as someone will pay them. Would you be upset if UNC fired Hubert Davis tomorrow and offered Sean Miller 9 million per year to coach at UNC, and Miller took it stating it was life changing money he could not pass up for his family?

??

[X-band '01]

Does anyone else think Freemantle could end up with Pitino at St. John's? Close to home, bright lights, MSG home games. Seems like something Mom & Dad would prefer.


I think anything with free is on the table, but pitino likes players that actually play defense. Free from the outside seems like someone who likes to be coddled.. pitino isn’t going to put up with that bs either

Or he could go back across the Hudson over to Seton Hall.

[muskiefan82]

Or he could go back across the Hudson over to Seton Hall.

Or Rutgers

[X-band '01]

Actually, that would be the Raritan River.

[IM4X]

Not sure if it was mentioned here…

I see that Primo Spears and Posh Alexander have entered the portal. It appears X has shown interest (at least in Spears). I think either (or both) would be nice to get.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Not sure if it was mentioned here…

I see that Primo Spears and Posh Alexander have entered the portal. It appears X has shown interest (at least in Spears). I think either (or both) would be nice to get.

I'll start by noting that every player has strengths and weaknesses. That said, my concern with Spears is that he needs to have the ball and he shoots a lot. Now that may be a reflection on his teammates at GT but I have a difficult time seeing him operate successfully in an offense built around sharing the ball and generating assists.

Alexander is a ball hawking point guard. I think he led the conference in steals-----or was close to leading. Offensively, he reminds me of Odom. He can penetrate and dish but cannot shoot the three.

[paulxu]

I watched this guy at Wofford for a few years. He's a wide body in the Charles Barkley mode.
Probably too late for him (Michigan is calling) but he has some nice words about X:

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-basketball-transfer-portal-How-prized-Wofford-transfer-BJ-Mack-fits-with-10-finalists-207216265/#207216265_1

[Xavier]

So what’s your take on this? Will this be the future or college bball or does it die down slightly as we get through a cycle. Only being allowed to transfer once will eventually slow it down slightly,

But I think keeping 4-6 rotational players is the key. The new “core” might just be 4 guys. Maybe 3? Just going to be interesting how it goes Over next 5 years

[XUGRAD80]

So what’s your take on this? Will this be the future or college bball or does it die down slightly as we get through a cycle. Only being allowed to transfer once will eventually slow it down slightly,

But I think keeping 4-6 rotational players is the key. The new “core” might just be 4 guys. Maybe 3? Just going to be interesting how it goes Over next 5 years

My belief is that it will not slow down for some while, if ever. Moving from school to school is already prevalent at the HS level for lots of kids. Doing the same at the college level won’t be seen as abnormal. The introduction of social media and instant messaging into our society, along with live streaming of local events around the world, has made it easier for someone to leave “home” and still be able to maintain contacts in real time. If anything, we are becoming a more transitory society where “community” is not based upon where one lives, but is more based on who one associates or identifies with through social media. All of this makes it easier for someone to physically move from place to place and not get “home sick”. Kids are used to playing on all-star traveling teams where the members come from many different schools or communities. Situations where kids grow up playing all different levels with the same group of kids from their neighborhood or town from grade school to high school and beyond are a thing of the past for most kids. There is no loyalty to old State U anymore. It more about what’s in it for ME. Generation Z is really Generation ME.

[Xuperman]

ON3 has Graham Ike to Colorado 100%. He's from Colorado. They also have Kriisa to WVU or Nebraska for some reason.

[Xville]

ON3 has Graham Ike to Colorado 100%. He's from Colorado. They also have Kriisa to WVU or Nebraska for some reason.

We will see about ike, would love to get him. Kerr to me if he comes here, great but x is on guys that are just as good or imo better than him.

All in all I trust that miller is going to get some dudes.. would love Ike though… those guys don’t come around much

[drudy23]

Not sure if it was mentioned here…

I see that Primo Spears and Posh Alexander have entered the portal. It appears X has shown interest (at least in Spears). I think either (or both) would be nice to get.

Primo Spears is the mold of PG Miller loves. I think he would have to reign him in a little, but Spears is similar to Mark Lyons.

[Xville]

I think spears would be an awesome get and I think can be reeled in with proper coaching and a good cast around him. The guy obviously has a whole lot of talent.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

ON3 has Graham Ike to Colorado 100%. He's from Colorado. They also have Kriisa to WVU or Nebraska for some reason.

Does anyone know if there is substance or any methodology behind these predictions? Are some sites more accurate than others? Would be an interesting project for someone (say Hettel) for extra credit of course, to spreadsheet some of these high confidence predictions and, after the fact, review their accuracy. Wonder if some positions, conferences or situations are harder (easier) to handicap than others.

[MHettel]

Does anyone know if there is substance or any methodology behind these predictions? Are some sites more accurate than others? Would be an interesting project for someone (say Hettel) for extra credit of course, to spreadsheet some of these high confidence predictions and, after the fact, review their accuracy. Wonder if some positions, conferences or situations are harder (easier) to handicap than others.

I'm not aware of anything that already exists. Its a good idea, but you'd have to pull the "data" from somewhere which would be the challenge. Lets say there were 4 or 5 different recruiting services that made predictions. You need to know what their final predictions were immediately prior to the decision and then determine if they were "right" or "wrong" in their prediction. I just dont think the "data" is available in large quantities to do that, and seems like it would have to be done manually which would be too tedious.

An alternative to looking backwards at what already happened is to just select a few players and manually track the different predictions until such point a decision is made. You would then immediately know who got it right...or not. My guess is that alot of sites might say "crystal ball 100% to Xavier", and then either change on a dime or remove the prediction if it turned out to be wrong.

[XUBison]

I sort of hate this transfer portal thing without the impediment of having to sit out a year. That said, we would be terrible next year without it. Frankly, we would’ve been terrible the last couple years without it. It’s not like we’ve gotten crushed by the portal – our guys have mostly stuck around. What the hell was Steele doing?

Sorry, rant over. I guess I am still suffering from Post Traumatic Steele Disorder.

[Xavier]

Does anyone know if there is substance or any methodology behind these predictions? Are some sites more accurate than others?.

On3 had kerr 100% going to WVA after his visit. Then 100% to Nebraska after his visit there. So I wouldn’t put any stock in what they said

[MHettel]

I sort of hate this transfer portal thing without the impediment of having to sit out a year. That said, we would be terrible next year without it. Frankly, we would’ve been terrible the last couple years without it. It’s not like we’ve gotten crushed by the portal – our guys have mostly stuck around. What the hell was Steele doing?

Sorry, rant over. I guess I am still suffering from Post Traumatic Steele Disorder.

It's crack. I woulndt want crack today if I hadnt done crack yesterday.

This whole thing has been a slow moving train . XU has LIVED off of Transfers for several years now. I could list 15 very key players over the last 15 years.

When they changed the rule to allow graduate students that still had eligibility to transfer and play immediately, we started taking advantage of that (Karem kanter, anyone?). then the immediately eligibility for everyone was just the next step towards this chaos.

This year we had Nunge, Hunter, Kunkel, and Boum as 4 of our top 7 guys.

Of COURSE we need to go back to the portal. And if we want to be good next year, we will need bonafide contributors at the D1 level. That means maybe our freshmen dont get much run. Which means the next year, we may need to go to the portal and reload. I think we are headed to a place where 25-30% of all players (that can) will at least enter the portal annually.

If I had a preference, our reliance on the portal should at least target guys with multiple years remaining. Boum was GREAT. We've had several 1 year guys that were key pieces. But I'd like to see more 3 year guys transfer in...

[IM4X]

Primo Spears is the mold of PG Miller loves. I think he would have to reign him in a little, but Spears is similar to Mark Lyons.

Wouldn’t the need to “rein him in a little” make Spears that much more similar to Lyons?

I for one would love to see a reined in, Lyons-like, “Primo” player on the roster next season, thank you!

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-transfer-portal-2023-ranking-top-25-impact-players-looking-to-move-to-a-new-school/

[xu9697]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-transfer-portal-2023-ranking-top-25-impact-players-looking-to-move-to-a-new-school/

That list is already outdated with Hunter Dickinson jumping into the portal today.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/michigan-star-hunter-dickinson-three-time-all-big-ten-performer-enters-transfer-portal/

[MHettel]

Some big names out there. Imagine if Slick Rick (or anyone else for that matter) just worked his magic and reeled in 5-6 of these guys. NC frontrunner.

[Masterofreality]

This league about to be 8 deep.
DePaul, Butler & Seton Hall NOT participating.
I don’t think Matta saw this coming when he came back.

[X-band '01]

This league about to be 8 deep.
DePaul, Butler & Seton Hall NOT participating.
I don’t think Matta and Barry Collier saw this coming when he came back.

Fixed that for you.

[Xavier]

This league about to be 8 deep.
DePaul, Butler & Seton Hall NOT participating.
I don’t think Matta saw this coming when he came back.

It was a long four years that I wouldn’t trade for almost anything, could you imagine it Steele was the coach in this league. It’s not unrealistic to say we were two games away from him still being here. (I think we were that close on the bubble a few years).

[XUBison]

It was a long four years that I wouldn’t trade for almost anything, could you imagine it Steele was the coach in this league. It’s not unrealistic to say we were two games away from him still being here. (I think we were that close on the bubble a few years).

You’re triggering my Post Traumatic Steele Disorder again.

[bjf123]

You’re triggering my Post Traumatic Steele Disorder again.

Public reps! [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]


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[D-West & PO-Z]

Some big names out there. Imagine if Slick Rick (or anyone else for that matter) just worked his magic and reeled in 5-6 of these guys. NC frontrunner.

I hope Pitino does exactly that. Would be great for BE for St. Johns to get good again in a hurry.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It was a long four years that I wouldn’t trade for almost anything, could you imagine it Steele was the coach in this league. It’s not unrealistic to say we were two games away from him still being here. (I think we were that close on the bubble a few years).

Yeah disaster avoided after disaster that wasn't avoided.

[bjf123]

I hope Pitino does exactly that. Would be great for BE for St. Johns to get good again in a hurry.

Just not top of the Big East good! That’s for us.


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[XUGRAD80]

I hope Pitino does exactly that. Would be great for BE for St. Johns to get good again in a hurry.

I doubt that when Nova was winning their national championships that many of their fans were concerned about SJU or Gtown being any good. Just saying. :logo:

[D-West & PO-Z]

I doubt that when Nova was winning their national championships that many of their fans were concerned about SJU or Gtown being any good. Just saying. :logo:

I'm not sure of your point.

All I am saying is the more good teams with good coaches in the BE, the better. Would you disagree?

Also, Jay Wright ani't walking through that door for Nova!

[XUGRAD80]

I'm not sure of your point.

All I am saying is the more good teams with good coaches in the BE, the better. Would you disagree?

Also, Jay Wright ani't walking through that door for Nova!

Would I agree? I couldn’t really care that much. I don’t see how a better SJU or Gtown helps X in any way. If anything, they are just more competition on the recruiting front. Therefore I really don’t care if they are good, and I doubt that anyone associated with championship teams really cares how overall strong their conferences are. All they are concerned about is how good THEY are.

[Masterofreality]

Would I agree? I couldn’t really care that much. I don’t see how a better SJU or Gtown helps X in any way. If anything, they are just more competition on the recruiting front. Therefore I really don’t care if they are good, and I doubt that anyone associated with championship teams really cares how overall strong their conferences are. All they are concerned about is how good THEY are.

NCAA units would disagree. Especially for this predominately private school conference.
Get NINE in there!!

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I'm not sure of your point.

All I am saying is the more good teams with good coaches in the BE, the better. Would you disagree?

Also, Jay Wright ani't walking through that door for Nova!


Would I agree? I couldn’t really care that much. I don’t see how a better SJU or Gtown helps X in any way. If anything, they are just more competition on the recruiting front. Therefore I really don’t care if they are good, and I doubt that anyone associated with championship teams really cares how overall strong their conferences are. All they are concerned about is how good THEY are.


Well, I agree. As a fan of X, I absolutely care about the quality of the Big East----absolutely! A rising tide lifts all boats. A strong Big East is very good for X. It attracts better recruits, more media coverage, more respect come tournament time and perhaps more financial support. UConn coming back to the conference was huge. And strong conferences attract better quality coaches----don't sell Kyle Neptune short. He'll be O.K.

So, yeah, I think the prospects for a return to better days by both GT and SJU is great.

[Xavier]

I just want a strong Big East in general. It makes every game more enjoyable….but especially for the next 3-4 years as the Big12 tries to snag a few teams. (At least the rumor) I don’t necessarily believe the rumor but a stronger big East gets more TV$ and honestly I think fans/high donors would want to stay. The better the league the more likely it stays intact

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah, it's surprising to me anyone would have the opinion they don't care of the quality of teams in the conference. If that was the case why leave the A10?

[XUGRAD80]

Yeah, it's surprising to me anyone would have the opinion they don't care of the quality of teams in the conference. If that was the case why leave the A10?

I never said that I didn’t care about the quality of the teams. I said that I don’t think that how good SJU and/or Gtown were/are is that impactful on how good X is. They sucked when Nova won their championships and it didn’t affect how Nova did or how they were perceived. It certainly hasn’t effected Nova’s or UConn’s recruiting in any way. It hasn’t effected the TV coverage for anyone other them themselves. Nova still got plenty of national exposure and UConn will be getting it now. Houston played in a cluster of a league this year and still got a #1 seed. FAU and SDS play in crap leagues and they are in the F4. The B10 is said to be a great league from top to bottom and every year they lay an egg in the NCAA Tourney. Everyone knows that Gonzaga plays in a mostly crap league, but the Zags are still highly thought of.and get plenty of TV exposure and good recruits. It’s my opinion that league strength is an overrated factor and as long as a league has a few good teams, they don’t need every team to be really good. There are just so many more factors that are more important as to how X will fare in the future than how competitive SJU and Gtown will be, that I really couldn’t care either way how good or bad they are. I can’t understand why anyone here would really care either. But hey, that’s just my opinion and I really don’t care about it enough to try and convince anyone either way. Do what you want.

[MHettel]

I care about the quality of the conference. I cannot think of a single reason why a fan would think otherwise.

[UCGRAD4X]

Eyeballs on games means more $$$$ for all the teams. More $$$$ for Xavier is a good thing. Gonzaga might have a lot of eyeballs on them but is anyone going to stay up late to watch Portland vs Pepperdine?

[XUGRAD80]

I can’t imagine a recruit saying “I’d really like to go to Indiana, but you know Rutgers and Maryland really suck, so I don’t think I want to play in the Big 10.”

Nor can I image a casual fan saying, “I was thinking I might watch Duke play NC, but since Wake Forest and G Tech aren’t very good, I guess I’ll skip it.”

Or…How about a TV network refusing to show UCLA because USC isn’t good?

Xavier doesn’t need every BE school to be good to get exposure. They just need to be good themselves. If they are good enough, they will get plenty of exposure and pub.

[XUGRAD80]

Eyeballs on games means more $$$$ for all the teams. More $$$$ for Xavier is a good thing. Gonzaga might have a lot of eyeballs on them but is anyone going to stay up late to watch Portland vs Pepperdine?


That’s the only reason to care that makes any sense at all in my mind. The higher the ratings for a league, the more they can demand for a TV contract. But it’s still not necessary that every team in the league be a top team. A matchup of town 25 teams will always draw eyes. But it’s been shown that most college BB fans are fans first and foremost of THEIR team. Most fans watch their own teams, but don’t tune in to other games on a regular basis.

[kane79]

I never said that I didn’t care about the quality of the teams. I said that I don’t think that how good SJU and/or Gtown were/are is that impactful on how good X is. They sucked when Nova won their championships and it didn’t affect how Nova did or how they were perceived. It certainly hasn’t effected Nova’s or UConn’s recruiting in any way. It hasn’t effected the TV coverage for anyone other them themselves. Nova still got plenty of national exposure and UConn will be getting it now. Houston played in a cluster of a league this year and still got a #1 seed. FAU and SDS play in crap leagues and they are in the F4. The B10 is said to be a great league from top to bottom and every year they lay an egg in the NCAA Tourney. Everyone knows that Gonzaga plays in a mostly crap league, but the Zags are still highly thought of.and get plenty of TV exposure and good recruits. It’s my opinion that league strength is an overrated factor and as long as a league has a few good teams, they don’t need every team to be really good. There are just so many more factors that are more important as to how X will fare in the future than how competitive SJU and Gtown will be, that I really couldn’t care either way how good or bad they are. I can’t understand why anyone here would really care either. But hey, that’s just my opinion and I really don’t care about it enough to try and convince anyone either way. Do what you want.

For some who doesn't care, you keep posting alot about this topic. But you did get the TV contract part right. Also what player is going to get excited about making a trip to play Fordham? Steel sharpens steel.

[Xville]

For someone to dismiss in this day and age as to why it benefits x for Georgetown/st. John’s to be good, along with the other teams in the big East is pretty stunning. They are the two largest markets in the big East and in this day and age of tv contracts and realignment, it is imperative those teams are as good as they possibly can be.

[Masterofreality]

Butler’s Lukosius enters the Portal.
Matta really has no one now.
I’d take the kid. Kinda gives me a Euro type JP brat vibe.
A sniper too.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Will be interesting to see if any Providence players follow Cooley to Georgetown.

If they don't does that say anything? Or maybe Cooley doesn't want any of them or to make Providence fans to hate him even more?

[xudash]

Butler’s Lukosius enters the Portal.
Matta really has no one now.
I’d take the kid. Kinda gives me a Euro type JP brat vibe.
A sniper too.

I get the sense that the Big East Conference is about to devour Butler lock, stock and barrel. Hiring Matta was kind of a "splash event", but the Cute Little Engine That Could, which made two highly improbable runs that are now in the distant rearview mirror just doesn't seem to be positioned to compete at the highest level of this conference moving forward.

What now is going on in NYC and D.C., in particular, is very interesting, and UCONN is about to fully assert itself again tonight. Every program is going to have to step up from here, but that is what makes us all have so much to look forward to moving forward. A rising hyper-competitive tide absolutely lifts all boats. I just would not want to be a fan of a Big East program that is not hitting on all cylinders at this time, and that is exactly how I see Butler.

As some of you have pointed out very clearly, thank God Travis actually MISSED making the tournament a time or two, or we would very likely be in a similar position, although with more financial potential than the good people who sit cheering, but now mostly crying in the Zeppelin hangar.

[X-band '01]

It's also a good thing that the NCAA Tournament hasn't expanded yet.

[drudy23]

There's no way Matta was a long-term solution for them (for both Matta and Butler).

Wouldn't be shocked if he steps down between now and end of next basketball season.

[JTG]

When he got talked into returning by his neighbor the AD, I'm thinking he didn't realize how far off Butler was from the rest of the Big East. I think he did it as a favor and they are probably looking for a replacement for the 24-25 season. The running media commentary here in Indy is that Butler should bail on the BE, and drop to the A10 or MVC.

[XUGRAD80]

The running media commentary here in Indy is that Butler should bail on the BE, and drop to the A10 or MVC.

That wouldn’t bother me in the least. In fact, I’d be happy to write a letter of recommendation for them.

[X-band '01]

The minute Butler bails is the minute Dayton begs their way into the Big East. Hard pass.

[Masterofreality]

When he got talked into returning by his neighbor the AD, I'm thinking he didn't realize how far off Butler was from the rest of the Big East. I think he did it as a favor and they are probably looking for a replacement for the 24-25 season. The running media commentary here in Indy is that Butler should bail on the BE, and drop to the A10 or MVC.

Butler is 3-9 in the Big East Tournament. 2 of those wins came over a Travis Steele coached Xavier team. One win was by 1 point over Seton Hall.
They have never made the BE Tournament semi finals in 10 years in the league. They have gotten 5 bids in that time to the Dance.
Poverty institution.

[xudash]

When he got talked into returning by his neighbor the AD, I'm thinking he didn't realize how far off Butler was from the rest of the Big East. I think he did it as a favor and they are probably looking for a replacement for the 24-25 season. The running media commentary here in Indy is that Butler should bail on the BE, and drop to the A10 or MVC.

I could not be more serious: that is a next level stupid idea.

"Hey, I got an idea, let's pass on multi-millions per year via a media agreement, national exposure, institutional alignment with some marque private schools (plus UCONN!), and trips to MSG for the premier conference tournament every year in favor of slugging it out with LossSalle and company on some backwater television outlets/streaming services for small change."

VD would salivate over such news, but not for long. The phone lines would be busy with calls probably reaching out to St. Louis or VCU before VD would ever be considered. Besides, I don't believe MSG wants to include watermelon slices on its concessions list.

Seriously and on that note, I have to imagine that Dayton is really sweating their position in all this. The A10 has evolved into a shell of its former self. Competition in the sport is only increasing. And, most importantly, VD fans will be beside themselves if and when Val and Company take the Big East up and up with respect to its annual media payouts through a new media rights agreement.

Think about our timing for that right now: Pitino to NYC and St. Johns, Cooley to Georgetown, Miller now at Xavier, and UCONN on the verge of another national title. How do you perceive CONTENT RICH sports television? Frankly, I really like where this is headed.

[xu82]

I could not be more serious: that is a next level stupid idea.

"Hey, I got an idea, let's pass on multi-millions per year via a media agreement, national exposure, institutional alignment with some marque private schools (plus UCONN!), and trips to MSG for the premier conference tournament every year in favor of slugging it out with LossSalle and company on some backwater television outlets/streaming services for small change."

VD would salivate over such news, but not for long. The phone lines would be busy with calls probably reaching out to St. Louis or VCU before VD would ever be considered. Besides, I don't believe MSG wants to include watermelon slices on its concessions list.

Seriously and on that note, I have to imagine that Dayton is really sweating their position in all this. The A10 has evolved into a shell of its former self. Competition in the sport is only increasing. And, most importantly, VD fans will be beside themselves if and when Val and Company take the Big East up and up with respect to its annual media payouts through a new media rights agreement.

Think about our timing for that right now: Pitino to NYC and St. Johns, Cooley to Georgetown, Miller now at Xavier, and UCONN on the verge of another national title. How do you perceive CONTENT RICH sports television? Frankly, I really like where this is headed.

Well, when you put it like that………. :lol:

[JTG]

I could not be more serious: that is a next level stupid idea.

"Hey, I got an idea, let's pass on multi-millions per year via a media agreement, national exposure, institutional alignment with some marque private schools (plus UCONN!), and trips to MSG for the premier conference tournament every year in favor of slugging it out with LossSalle and company on some backwater television outlets/streaming services for small change."

VD would salivate over such news, but not for long. The phone lines would be busy with calls probably reaching out to St. Louis or VCU before VD would ever be considered. Besides, I don't believe MSG wants to include watermelon slices on its concessions list.

Seriously and on that note, I have to imagine that Dayton is really sweating their position in all this. The A10 has evolved into a shell of its former self. Competition in the sport is only increasing. And, most importantly, VD fans will be beside themselves if and when Val and Company take the Big East up and up with respect to its annual media payouts through a new media rights agreement.

Think about our timing for that right now: Pitino to NYC and St. Johns, Cooley to Georgetown, Miller now at Xavier, and UCONN on the verge of another national title. How do you perceive CONTENT RICH sports television? Frankly, I really like where this is headed.

I see your point Dash, but if the object is to go to the Dance every year, then maybe it makes sense. They are never going to be a marquee item in Indy. With the Pacers and IU and Purdue, they will always be 4th at best. They are never going to be more than the little engine that could. In fact I might argue that the average Indy area sports fan figures "if Butler is in the the Big East it must not be a big deal conference". Like I said they are 4th on the sports fan hierarchy at best. Probably 5th behind off season Colts coverage.

[94GRAD]

I see your point Dash, but if the object is to go to the Dance every year, then maybe it makes sense. They are never going to be a marquee item in Indy. With the Pacers and IU and Purdue, they will always be 4th at best. They are never going to be more than the little engine that could. In fact I might argue that the average Indy area sports fan figures "if Butler is in the the Big East it must not be a big deal conference". Like I said they are 4th on the sports fan hierarchy at best. Probably 5th behind off season Colts coverage.

What number would you put X in Cincinnati having to go against- Reds/Bengals/FCC/uc football/uc basketball/osu football/UK basketball?

[JTG]

What number would you put X in Cincinnati having to go against- Reds/Bengals/FCC/uc football/uc basketball/osu football/UK basketball?

During basketball season it's a 2 horse race UC & X, wouldn't you say ? I don't know I don't live there.

[XUGRAD80]

As far as interest it goes….

Bengals/Reds/Bengals-Reds off-season news/high School coverage/UC/Joe Burrow/XU/OSU/FCC/Cyclones/ all the rest…although FCC is getting more and more coverage and if they start winning on a regular basis they will get more.

X really doesn’t get a whole lot of coverage on either the TV or in the local papers. They do get a couple of articles every week in the local newspaper during the season, and some coverage during the TV news on game days. There is no weekly TV show, but there is a weekly coaches radio show. However, it’s not for lack of respect. Everyone acknowledges that X has a good program and plays in a tough league. It’s merely numbers. There are far more Bengal and Reds fans than any other group. They draw far more fans in their seasons than UC does in their combined Football and Basketball seasons or X does in its BB season. There are weekly radio shows in the OFF-season for both the Bengals and the Reds that draw really well on THE major radio station in the area. High School sports (especially football) are really really popular here and they get A LOT of coverage by TV/Radio/Newspaper and draw really well. High school broadcasts on TV and radio are common. X is a small fish in a pretty good sized pond of around 2-3 million people in the area, and there is A LOT of competition.

[Backyard Champ]

Don’t live in Indy, but I find it hard to imagine they really believe Butler should drop to the A10.

It is far easier to make the tournament in the A10. I do think Steele in the A10 could have had a similar path as our previous coaches. But insanity to pass up the money the big east offers. And the right coach could make that program legit.

Thad was just a bad call. Thought so when they hired him, this season has proved it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I could not be more serious: that is a next level stupid idea.

"Hey, I got an idea, let's pass on multi-millions per year via a media agreement, national exposure, institutional alignment with some marque private schools (plus UCONN!), and trips to MSG for the premier conference tournament every year in favor of slugging it out with LossSalle and company on some backwater television outlets/streaming services for small change."

VD would salivate over such news, but not for long. The phone lines would be busy with calls probably reaching out to St. Louis or VCU before VD would ever be considered. Besides, I don't believe MSG wants to include watermelon slices on its concessions list.

Seriously and on that note, I have to imagine that Dayton is really sweating their position in all this. The A10 has evolved into a shell of its former self. Competition in the sport is only increasing. And, most importantly, VD fans will be beside themselves if and when Val and Company take the Big East up and up with respect to its annual media payouts through a new media rights agreement.

Think about our timing for that right now: Pitino to NYC and St. Johns, Cooley to Georgetown, Miller now at Xavier, and UCONN on the verge of another national title. How do you perceive CONTENT RICH sports television? Frankly, I really like where this is headed.

Yeah, Butler leaving would make no sense for Butler. That would be so dumb.

Also as bad as Butler has been lately, they still have had a lot more March success than DePaul, Marquette, St. Johns, Georgetown, and about the same as Providence since Big East realignment.

[D-West & PO-Z]

During basketball season it's a 2 horse race UC & X, wouldn't you say ? I don't know I don't live there.

Yeah but if you are listing all sports they are clearly behind UC football and basketball, Reds, Bengals, and probably FCC.

Local sports talk never leads with X, even as they are in the Sweet 16. Bengals and Reds talk still was ahead.

Hell the Calipar coaches show is on radio here for like 2 hours every week and KSR radio is replayed in the evenings in cincy. The pregame shows for Louisville and UK are on in Cincy about an hour or more before their games. X's pre game is 30 mins before.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Don’t live in Indy, but I find it hard to imagine they really believe Butler should drop to the A10.

It is far easier to make the tournament in the A10. I do think Steele in the A10 could have had a similar path as our previous coaches. But insanity to pass up the money the big east offers. And the right coach could make that program legit.

Thad was just a bad call. Thought so when they hired him, this season has proved it.

I don't think it is easier. It certainly hasn't been easy for Dayton or SLU.

I think Dayton would be doing better in the BE than they are in the A10.

The A10 only had the auto bid this year. 1 bid league. The bottom is so bad it crushes you if you drop one.

[Xville]

Glad for Hurley. The guy is one hell of a coach who has won every place he has been. I know some on here don’t like him, I have no clue why. I guess because he can be a bit of a spaz on the sideline, but he’s authentic, his guys absolutely love him, and he’s very straight forward in interviews which I appreciate.
Big East has 7 of the last 23 tournaments. The little 10 has one lol

[KabeX]

Glad for Hurley. The guy is one hell of a coach who has won every place he has been. I know some on here don’t like him, I have no clue why. I guess because he can be a bit of a spaz on the sideline, but he’s authentic, his guys absolutely love him, and he’s very straight forward in interviews which I appreciate.
Big East has 7 of the last 23 tournaments. The little 10 has one lol
Yeah have to agree. Say what you will be he got it done. He had his team laser focused despite the mid-season blip. And he's a Big East guy and spoke very highly of us. Now - Do you really think Sean F. Miller won't get us there??? YES!

[XUGRAD80]

Congratulations to UConn. They really played well in the Tournament and deserved the championship.


As far as Butler dropping out of the BE…..Mens BB may be the most important sports program for them, but like every other University it’s not the ONLY one. They have the smallest BB budget of any BE school and I’d guess that’s probably true for all or most of their sports programs. It can go both ways, they may really need the BE money they get through the BB program to support the whole sports system, but they also might feel that by moving to a league where they would have much lower financial burden they would be more competitive across the board. I know that I’m very happy that X is in the BE, but then again I’m not the one that has to pay the bills involved.

[XUBison]

Congratulations to UConn. They really played well in the Tournament and deserved the championship.


As far as Butler dropping out of the BE…..Mens BB may be the most important sports program for them, but like every other University it’s not the ONLY one. They have the smallest BB budget of any BE school and I’d guess that’s probably true for all or most of their sports programs. It can go both ways, they may really need the BE money they get through the BB program to support the whole sports system, but they also might feel that by moving to a league where they would have much lower financial burden they would be more competitive across the board. I know that I’m very happy that X is in the BE, but then again I’m not the one that has to pay the bills involved.

Butler isn’t leaving the Big East. Can we stop with this already?

[xu9697]

Butler isn’t leaving the Big East. Can we stop with this already?


I think they have until May 15th to enter the Transfer Portal. :smile:

[OTRMUSKIE]

Well I guess with UConn and nova going to the Big 12 and now with Butler leaving tbat will leave us with 8 teams. We could do a round robin and 1. 24 conference games play everybody 3x.

[Xavier]

Glad for Hurley. The guy is one hell of a coach who has won every place he has been. I know some on here don’t like him, I have no clue why. I guess because he can be a bit of a spaz on the sideline, but he’s authentic, his guys absolutely love him, and he’s very straight forward in interviews which I appreciate.
Big East has 7 of the last 23 tournaments. The little 10 has one lol

Depends on what you’re looking for. Before this year he had an ok reputation. UConn fans were getting frustrated due to lack of tournament success and his antics on the sideline. He told Eye on College bball podcast he had to find a way to win one game in the tournament. That was his goal- there was pressure for sure. In 10 years at Rhode Island/Uconn (6 at RI,4 at Uconn) he had 2 ncaa tournament wins at RI and won just one regular season title. He built a powerhouse this year, no question about it. Albeit an easy title run, they did dominate and you can only play who’s in-front of you. But before this year- I wouldn’t say he was a great coach.

To me, prior to this year, his antics and reputation on the sideline wouldn’t be worth it to me. It got better this year but his T at Cintas cost Uconn the game.

[Xville]

Depends on what you’re looking for. Before this year he had an ok reputation. UConn fans were getting frustrated due to lack of tournament success and his antics on the sideline. He told Eye on College bball podcast he had to find a way to win one game in the tournament. That was his goal- there was pressure for sure. In 10 years at Rhode Island/Uconn (6 at RI,4 at Uconn) he had 2 ncaa tournament wins at RI and won just one regular season title. He built a powerhouse this year, no question about it. Albeit an easy title run, they did dominate and you can only play who’s in-front of you. But before this year- I wouldn’t say he was a great coach.

To me, prior to this year, his antics and reputation on the sideline wouldn’t be worth it to me. It got better this year but his T at Cintas cost Uconn the game.

Yeah I bet he really cares about losing a game at Cintas this year. The guy made st Benedict’s a powerhouse, got Wagner turned around, turned Rhode Island from complete crap to a good program who turned crap again as soon as he left, and is building a juggernaut at uconn who if you remember was a disaster from the Ollie fiasco. Even without the championship this year, I’d say he is a hell of a coach.

[Xavier]

Again, before this year he has 2 ncaa tournament wins in 10+ years of D1 coaching. 0 in four years at Uconn. There was pressure from the fanbase to win in march. If Miller goes the next 4 years without winning an NCAA tournament game I’d be very disappointed. You wouldn’t?

*dumb argument anyways. Did great this year, built a great team. Just saying before the year there was pressure on him and rightfully so. He hadn’t done much to say he was great.

[D-West & PO-Z]

IU transfer Logan Duncomb is transferring to X.

Big boy but looks like he barely played in 2 years at IU.

Moeller grad.

[noteggs]

Think he was shut down one year because of sinus infection issues. TJD had a lot to do with his lack playing time as well. Interesting pick up and look forward to his potential.

[Xville]

I trust miller but imo that’s a terrible pickup.

[drudy23]

I watched this kid for multiple years at Moe. He's certainly not an upgrade, and imo, not even as good as Cesare or Miles. The only hope is that this could mean Nunge comes back and he's his back-up, but this big man is not the Big East type big man we need. This is a project.

The other Moe player in the portal, Evan Mahaffey from Penn State, would have been way more interesting. Long and athletic wing who could turn into a defensive stud.

[drudy23]

I trust miller but imo that’s a terrible pickup.

Agree.

[Xville]

Yeah I watched a game of his in high school and he just looked like a big white stiff and had no idea why he was rated highly. I don’t even see him as a depth move. I really don’t get it

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maybe he's a body for practice and an end bench scholarship guy?

I mean Miller isn't probably going more than 8 deep on a regular basis, 9 at the most. So there will always be 4-5 scholarship guys who aren't seeing the court. We have a lot of spots to fill presumably.

Bottom line, I trust Miller knows what he's doing.

[drudy23]

I hope this isn't part of the big splash MOR was referring to for this week.

[drudy23]

Maybe he's a body for practice and an end bench scholarship guy?

I mean Miller isn't probably going more than 8 deep on a regular basis, 9 at the most. So there will always be 4-5 scholarship guys who aren't seeing the court. We have a lot of spots to fill presumably.

Bottom line, I trust Miller knows what he's doing.

I sure hope that's true.

[Xville]

Maybe he's a body for practice and an end bench scholarship guy?

I mean Miller isn't probably going more than 8 deep on a regular basis, 9 at the most. So there will always be 4-5 scholarship guys who aren't seeing the court. We have a lot of spots to fill presumably.

Bottom line, I trust Miller knows what he's doing.

If this is a guy who as you say is just there to have at practice and play garbage minutes, then ok. I just really hope this isn’t it in terms of frontcourt, even if nunge and free both come back. There needs to be an upgrade there in terms of defense, depth and lbs. period

[D-West & PO-Z]

If this is a guy who as you say is just there to have at practice and play garbage minutes, then ok. I just really hope this isn’t it in terms of frontcourt, even if nunge and free both come back. There needs to be an upgrade there in terms of defense, depth and lbs. period

Yeah, I have no idea. I just do know I trust Miller knows what he is doing. Does seem odd, but hometown kid who has apparently had some health issues two years in a row, maybe wants to come home regardless of how big (or small the role is)?

We shall see.

[noteggs]

I’m going to take a wait and see approach. Logan was originally recruited to IU by Archie, so I’m sure there were some discussions? Now I get he never saw him on the practice court but…

[XUGRAD80]

Won’t say that it’s a great pickup, but I’m sure that Miller has a reason for making it happen. There must be something that he likes about him. I’ll trust Miller and wait to see how it all works out. Anyway….Welcome back home Logan, and I wish you success and happiness.

[Masterofreality]

I hope this isn't part of the big splash MOR was referring to for this week.

Nah. Archie recruited him and *probably* gave Sean some good words.
We have plenty of seats available on the sideline. Logan will take one of them.
The hope is Sean can develop him like Jason Love. He projects better than Dionte.

[xuphan]

Nah. Archie recruited him and *probably* gave Sean some good words.
We have plenty of seats available on the sideline. Logan will take one of them.
The hope is Sean can develop him like Jason Love. He projects better than Dionte.

Well, neither Logan or Dionte have developed so far in their careers. Not sure if this is an upgrade. Will wait until after the portal to decide if this was a good pickup or not.

[Xville]

This is the big East not the a10. X should be past having to develop players that come in barely being able to see the floor quite frankly.

[xavierj]

This is the big East not the a10. X should be past having to develop players that come in barely being able to see the floor quite frankly.

Agree but you have to have enough guys to practice and Xavier isn’t brining in 8 big east ready starters. Logan is a local kid from Moller who was a 4 star recruit. He was so sick this last year that he had to have surgery for a major sinus infection, that ended his season. He was expected to be in the rotation at the start of the year before starting to deal with an illness that just wouldn’t get better. There really is no risk with this and also keeps Sean in good with local coaches. Moeller has some really good young players coming up and Sean is also trying to land local Tyler McKinley who went to a prep school this season. He will end up a top 50 player in the 2024 class. UC is also trying to land him. I think this was a smart move.

[Xville]

Agree but you have to have enough guys to practice and Xavier isn’t brining in 8 big east ready starters. Logan is a local kid from Moller who was a 4 star recruit. He was so sick this last year that he had to have surgery for a major sinus infection, that ended his season. He was expected to be in the rotation at the start of the year before starting to deal with an illness that just wouldn’t get better. There really is no risk with this and also keeps Sean in good with local coaches. Moeller has some really good young players coming up and Sean is also trying to land local Tyler McKinley who went to a prep school this season. He will end up a top 50 player in the 2024 class. UC is also trying to land him. I think this was a smart move.

Fair enough and I appreciate the additional insight, thank you! I just hope this isn’t it as far as the frontcourt which I’m going to assume it’s not.

[xavierj]

Fair enough and I appreciate the additional insight, thank you! I just hope this isn’t it as far as the frontcourt which I’m going to assume it’s not.

It’s not. I think Xavier will bring in three or four high level transfers. Would imagine a center, an athletic small forward who can shoot and a guard or two.

[Xavier]

It’s simply is he better than edwards. Imagine maybe those two are battling it out for end of roster rotation. Most of the time neither seeing the court anyways.

[XUGRAD80]

We still haven’t heard anything publicly about Nunge, Free, or Hunter either. So it’s hard to be sure exactly how many more players we might expect to come via the portal, and what their positions might be or how much X will have to depend on them next year.

[xavierj]

We still haven’t heard anything publicly about Nunge, Free, or Hunter either. So it’s hard to be sure exactly how many more players we might expect to come via the portal, and what their positions might be or how much X will have to depend on them next year.

We won’t hear anything about Zach or Jerome unless they are leaving. We will hear if Jack decides to return or not since he went through the senior day. I am sure the coaches have a pretty good idea and are recruiting the portal accordingly.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It’s simply is he better than edwards. Imagine maybe those two are battling it out for end of roster rotation. Most of the time neither seeing the court anyways.

Edwards is in the portal, right? He probably won't be back unless he doesn't like what he see's I guess.

[D-West & PO-Z]

We won’t hear anything about Zach or Jerome unless they are leaving. We will hear if Jack decides to return or not since he went through the senior day. I am sure the coaches have a pretty good idea and are recruiting the portal accordingly.

I don't know that we won't hear anything about those guys. I would imagine we will, even though they have another year left and didn't partake in senior night. It is still obvious that people would want to know as they could easily move on as well. I doubt those guys will decide to stay and there will be absolutely no reporting on it of any kind from anyone.

[xavierj]

I don't know that we won't hear anything about those guys. I would imagine we will, even though they have another year left and didn't partake in senior night. It is still obvious that people would want to know as they could easily move on as well. I doubt those guys will decide to stay and there will be absolutely no reporting on it of any kind from anyone.

Zach didn’t even announce last year when there was a coaching change. I don’t think he likes social media.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Zach didn’t even announce last year when there was a coaching change. I don’t think he likes social media.

I don't necessarily mean the players will post something. But I imagine Broering or someone (Baum is gone now I guess?) will tweet they've confirmed the players plans to return for next year, etc.

[xavierj]

I don't necessarily mean the players will post something. But I imagine Broering or someone (Baum is gone now I guess?) will tweet they've confirmed the players plans to return for next year, etc.

They won’t unless the player does it. Zach will either announce he is leaving or you won’t hear anything on him. Would be shocked if they announced anything for Zach. Jerome maybe, but even doubt that and Jack for sure we would hear something.

[Xavier]

Edwards is in the portal, right? He probably won't be back unless he doesn't like what he see's I guess.

….yeah, I completely forgot that. He won’t be back.

[muskiefan82]

My understanding is that if you put yourself in the portal, the school you were at does not have to hold your scholarship. I wonder how many players put themselves in the portal and end up with no place to go and lose their scholarship entirely. Does that happen?

[XUGRAD80]

My understanding is that if you put yourself in the portal, the school you were at does not have to hold your scholarship. I wonder how many players put themselves in the portal and end up with no place to go and lose their scholarship entirely. Does that happen?

Yes that happened to hundreds of kids last year and will again this year. Remember, they gave people and extra year of eligibility, but they didn’t expand the number of scholarships that a school could give out. So all the freshman coming in are replacing someone that is leaving through either the ending of their eligibility or by entering the transfer portal. There just aren’t enough spots for everyone that wants one and some kids get left out when it all settles.

[muskiefan82]

Yikes. So, eventually it sounds like the portal will self-limit. If you don't KNOW you will find a better landing place you might want to stay put

[D-West & PO-Z]

I believe we have the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 seasons remaining for the extra covid year then that will be gone.

There are a couple interesting things I would like to know about the kids who don't find a new home after entering the portal.

1. How many are athletes at lower level schools who just ended up not being good enough, were possibly considering quitting anyway, entered the portal and didn't get what they were hoping for so, did quit their sport?

2. How many who enter who don't end up somewhere else, were strongly "encouraged" by their coach to enter? As in you will never see playing time here.

We havent seen anyone at Xavier yet who entered and either wasn't accepted back at X or fond a new home. That includes some guys who never played at all.

I also thought I read somewhere that entering doesn't make you lose your spot at your current school. However, not sure if that is true, and really that is probably up to the coach/school as technically scholarships are renewed yearly anyway.

I think it was last year that the NCAA made a portal dashboard that was supposed to help give the athletes more knowledge before they decided to enter. Not sure how that has helped or not helped that athletes decisions.

[XUGRAD80]

My guess is that 99% of the kids that enter the portal do so with the thought that they will find a new home and a better opportunity than the one that they have currently. But realistically that’s not going to happen for everyone. Some kids are going to be in demand by several suitors, others may have to drop down in level to find a new home. Still others may not find a new home or a few may decide that they don’t want to play anymore. It’s certainly a crap shoot for many of the kids.

[muethibp]

My understanding is that if you put yourself in the portal, the school you were at does not have to hold your scholarship. I wonder how many players put themselves in the portal and end up with no place to go and lose their scholarship entirely. Does that happen?

Also, I just don't know how many times a player enters the portal without a general sense of where he might go. Indeed, different than what most think or what might be logical, entering the portal is oftentimes the final step in moving - because contact has been made, offers have essentially been transmitted through channels, etc. - and not the first. Which is why people can enter the portal and then say a short time later, "I'm going to XYZ," even though there really wouldn't have been time to make fresh new contact with XYZ, visit, etc.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Also, I just don't know how many times a player enters the portal without a general sense of where he might go. Indeed, different than what most think or what might be logical, entering the portal is oftentimes the final step in moving - because contact has been made, offers have essentially been transmitted through channels, etc. - and not the first. Which is why people can enter the portal and then say a short time later, "I'm going to XYZ," even though there really wouldn't have been time to make fresh new contact with XYZ, visit, etc.

I am not sure how accurate your description is. Is there ever any back channel contacting? Sure, but for the players I don't think that is as common as you are making it. Sure they have relationships with other coaches, schools, players though. They were probably recruited by several schools out of high school who would have an interest. But generally I don't think the portal news happens all that fast.

I would disagree that entering the portal is a last step for most of the players and they already know where they are going.

[XUBison]

I am not sure how accurate your description is. Is there ever any back channel contacting? Sure, but for the players I don't think that is as common as you are making it. Sure they have relationships with other coaches, schools, players though. They were probably recruited by several schools out of high school who would have an interest. But generally I don't think the portal news happens all that fast.

I would disagree that entering the portal is a last step for most of the players and they already know where they are going.

I agree with this. What I would like to know is how graduation rates track with portal entries; for all, not just those who don’t find a Home. Or are we not supposed to care anymore?

[Xavier]

Looks like Kerr commits to WVA. Probably why you’re seeing a handful more PGs X is looking at/talking to.

[drudy23]

Looks like Kerr commits to WVA. Probably why you’re seeing a handful more PGs X is looking at/talking to.

Ugh.

We need Ike.

Primo?

Anyone?

[XUGRAD80]

The kid from WKU is visiting X this weekend….according to Twitter

[Masterofreality]

Looks like Kerr commits to WVA. Probably why you’re seeing a handful more PGs X is looking at/talking to.

Mo Money.
Per Rothstein:
“ Rice transfer Quincy Olivari tells me that he will have an in-home visit with Xavier on Thursday.

Averaged 18.7 PPG and 5.9 RPG.”

[Xville]

Looks like Kerr commits to WVA. Probably why you’re seeing a handful more PGs X is looking at/talking to.

There are at least five guys I’d take over him as far as a pg anyways. Not a big loss imo

[drudy23]

There are at least five guys I’d take over him as far as a pg anyways. Not a big loss imo

It is if we don't get one of the other 5.

[Xuperman]

The kid from WKU is visiting X this weekend….according to Twitter

This ON3 site seems awful premature. Has McKnight 100% Xavier.

Has Dickinson 100% Maryland.

[drudy23]

Who's McKnight?

Nevermind, the WKU PG.

Can he fill Souley's shoes?

[Xville]

Who's McKnight?

Nevermind, the WKU PG.

Can he fill Souley's shoes?

He’s one of my five. He’s a stud. He’s also actually seen and stepped into a weight room before too

[GoMuskies]

He was on the court in a game where his team got slaughtered by Louisville last year. That alone puts him in very limited company!

[Xuperman]

Wonder if UK big Onyenso, would like to hook up with his HS PG? Won a National Championship at Putnam Science with Des Claude.

[Uncle Joe]

FWIW: "Kerr Kriisa’s payday from WVU is rumored to be $500k."

On a related topic, Greg C. announced in an email the "Momentum - Matching Gift". A family said they will match any donations to the NIL Campaign up to $500K.

Get your wallets out boys!

[Xuperman]

He’s one of my five. He’s a stud. He’s also actually seen and stepped into a weight room before too

Yeah, he's a physical dude and he uses it raking in points from the line. Gets there a lot and is money after. That is a huge plus....seems to be far less common these days.

[XUBison]

FWIW: "Kerr Kriisa’s payday from WVU is rumored to be $500k."

On a related topic, Greg C. announced in an email the "Momentum - Matching Gift". A family said they will match any donations to the NIL Campaign up to $500K.

Get your wallets out boys!

Outbid by Hillbilly U. Bummer.

[Masterofreality]

Hence the absolute need to enhance revenue. Even if *someone was allegedly promised *something 12 years ago.

[muethibp]

I am not sure how accurate your description is. Is there ever any back channel contacting? Sure, but for the players I don't think that is as common as you are making it. Sure they have relationships with other coaches, schools, players though. They were probably recruited by several schools out of high school who would have an interest. But generally I don't think the portal news happens all that fast.

I would disagree that entering the portal is a last step for most of the players and they already know where they are going.

Feel free to disagree. That's your right. But multiple people who would know have told me as much.

Here's an ESPN article saying it's going on in football:


Tampering officially arrived in college football this offseason, leaving coaches to both lament the current state of the game -- and try to keep up.

They know if they wait for a quality player to enter the transfer portal to begin recruiting him, they're too late. So they've been reaching out to third parties and using players as go-betweens. It's a violation of NCAA rules, of course, but enforcement is nearly impossible.

More:


Others note how football's transfer market has begun to mirror NBA free agency. For years, the power rested almost entirely in the coaches' hands, and now players are exerting more control.

A former four-star athlete told VanHaaren he wouldn't have entered the portal this offseason if he hadn't known ahead of time that he would have his choice of landing spots. His high school coach had received calls from college coaches asking whether he was happy weeks before he made public his intent to transfer, he said. And a year before that, players he knew from high school were calling to say, "I need to come over there and join them."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31477534/tampering-arrived-college-football-looks-nba-free-agency

If that's what's on ESPN, what do you think is going on in the shadows?! It's a total free for all and it's all happening well before Player A says on twitter that he's going to the portal.

[noteggs]

Kriisa seems like a very good player, but 500k? Wow I really don’t understand cost and demand for these players. Now I do understand why players are holding off playing internationally.

[xudash]

Kriisa seems like a very good player, but 500k? Wow I really don’t understand cost and demand for these players. Now I do understand why players are holding off playing internationally.

You and me both.

Question: I presume contracts are being executed in this environment. Is this guaranteed money? If Kriisa breaks his foot in the season opener for Huggy Bear, is it too bad WVU?

[muethibp]

Feel free to disagree. That's your right. But multiple people who would know have told me as much.

Here's an ESPN article saying it's going on in football:



More:



https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31477534/tampering-arrived-college-football-looks-nba-free-agency

If that's what's on ESPN, what do you think is going on in the shadows?! It's a total free for all and it's all happening well before Player A says on twitter that he's going to the portal.

Here's more. Anonymous coach in the Athletic.


“The work is being done now. You’re a fool if you think a kid pops up in the portal and it’s, ‘Oh, he’s in the portal.’ Nah, that work is pretty much done, if he’s going somewhere. They’ve already been making calls to coaches. Literally, as I’m talking to you, I’ve got four text messages from AAU coaches saying, ‘Hey, this kid might not be at this school next year. What do you think?’”

https://theathletic.com/3080116/2022/01/21/secrets-of-the-college-basketball-transfer-portal-rampant-tampering-back-channel-deals-and-a-f-ed-up-cycle/

[Xavier]

There are at least five guys I’d take over him as far as a pg anyways. Not a big loss imo

I agree. And it seems like X is involved with a handful of intriguing guys. Kerr would’ve been nice, but I was slightly skeptical that he could be a classic guard that leads a team on a run in March. Didn’t seem like his offense was good enough to overshadow his defense.

[Masterofreality]

Graham Ike is going to Providence.
$$$$$$$$

[xuphan]

Graham Ike is going to Providence.
$$$$$$$$

We also missed out on BJ Mack. Hope Miller can find an impact post player in the portal.

[Xville]

Graham Ike is going to Providence.
$$$$$$$$

Fuck. That’s the one I wanted. Gawd if we end up with just the Moeller kid on the front line that’s going to be a major problem

[Xville]

Hence the absolute need to enhance revenue. Even if *someone was allegedly promised *something 12 years ago.

Revenue for school and nil are two completely different things, but sure keep beating that dead horse and taking things out of context

[XUGRAD80]

We also missed out on BJ Mack. Hope Miller can find an impact post player in the portal.

X has been linked to several bigs so I’m not to worried at this point. And…..we still don’t know who is leaving for sure. The longer it goes on that players haven’t made an announcement about entering the portal or signing overseas the more encouraged I am that one or more might be staying.

[XUBison]

Graham Ike is going to Providence.
$$$$$$$$

Alright, where’s that good news?

[xavierj]

Graham Ike is going to Providence.
$$$$$$$$

That was a fake parody account that burnt Adam Zagoria lol. It is not real. He then took it down. Kind of like taking Markus Walters at face value.

[paulxu]

I would have liked to have seen BJ Mack at X. Think he could fit BE well; very tough in the paint.
4 of his 5 schools are in the Southeast, so maybe he want to stay close. The last is Iowa.

[xavbball]

Graham Ike to Providence is NOT official. It was a fake tweet.

[Xavier]

https://twitter.com/andrew__slater/status/1643700896185090048?s=46&t=KSvFnm-Lpouy3B6BA2rQBg


He is visiting X soon, then Creighton. Seems like a potential Colby replacement.

[usfldan]

You and me both.

Question: I presume contracts are being executed in this environment. Is this guaranteed money? If Kriisa breaks his foot in the season opener for Huggy Bear, is it too bad WVU?

West Virginia is not the one paying him. WVU brokered the deal, but whether it is guaranteed or not would be up to whoever is supplying the cash.

[Masterofreality]

That was a fake parody account that burnt Adam Zagoria lol. It is not real. He then took it down. Kind of like taking Markus Walters at face value.


Graham Ike to Providence is NOT official. It was a fake tweet.

Haha!! Got me too! Zags is usually pretty on it! :-))

[xudash]

West Virginia is not the one paying him. WVU brokered the deal, but whether it is guaranteed or not would be up to whoever is supplying the cash.

You’re right. I spaced out. But the question stands: do these deals / will these deals have performance clauses?

[XUGRAD80]

You’re right. I spaced out. But the question stands: do these deals / will these deals have performance clauses?

That’s goi g to depend on how the deals…..which are private deals…..are set up. If the kids are smart they will have lawyers involved to make sure that they aren’t being taken advantage of.

However, one of my personal beliefs is that two things will eventually happen:

One…..you’re going to get businesses that are putting up money for kids to endorse their products realize that they can get more bang for their bucks elsewhere and will take their support elsewhere.

Two…you’re going to get businesses putting pressure on coaches to play the players that they are supporting with a threat to take their money elsewhere if the coaches don’t.

This has gone outside the realm of sport and has entered the realm of business, and I’m not confident that most of these kids are prepared to handle that.

[noteggs]

That’s goi g to depend on how the deals…..which are private deals…..are set up. If the kids are smart they will have lawyers involved to make sure that they aren’t being taken advantage of.

However, one of my personal beliefs is that two things will eventually happen:

One…..you’re going to get businesses that are putting up money for kids to endorse their products realize that they can get more bang for their bucks elsewhere and will take their support elsewhere.

Two…you’re going to get businesses putting pressure on coaches to play the players that they are supporting with a threat to take their money elsewhere if the coaches don’t.

This has gone outside the realm of sport and has entered the realm of business, and I’m not confident that most of these kids are prepared to handle that.

Number 2 is something interesting and have not thought about. Dealing with parents is one thing and now…

[IM4X]

While it would be nice to bring in Ike or some other solid big, there are no transfer bigs I want more than the 3 we currently still have on the roster. It would just be so amazing to have Jack, Zack and Jerome back again.

I know Sean and his staff are working hard to bring in another “Boum” type talent as well as a few more starting level transfers. I believe we’ll see Green and Swain ready to step in and give solid minutes their freshman year. I am hoping our veteran bigs are patiently waiting for Miller to finish assembling the the key missing parts before they let us know they are back to take X to the Final Four next season.

[drudy23]

That’s goi g to depend on how the deals…..which are private deals…..are set up. If the kids are smart they will have lawyers involved to make sure that they aren’t being taken advantage of.

However, one of my personal beliefs is that two things will eventually happen:

One…..you’re going to get businesses that are putting up money for kids to endorse their products realize that they can get more bang for their bucks elsewhere and will take their support elsewhere.

Two…you’re going to get businesses putting pressure on coaches to play the players that they are supporting with a threat to take their money elsewhere if the coaches don’t.

This has gone outside the realm of sport and has entered the realm of business, and I’m not confident that most of these kids are prepared to handle that.

There a million ways this goes sideways, which means it probably will.

[Xville]

While it would be nice to bring in Ike or some other solid big, there are no transfer bigs I want more than the 3 we currently still have on the roster. It would just be so amazing to have Jack, Zack and Jerome back again.

I know Sean and his staff are working hard to bring in another “Boum” type talent as well as a few more starting level transfers. I believe we’ll see Green and Swain ready to step in and give solid minutes their freshman year. I am hoping our veteran bigs are patiently waiting for Miller to finish assembling the the key missing parts before they let us know they are back to take X to the Final Four next season.

Jerome isn’t going anywhere. Jack I’ll take back if it’s 20-25 minutes a game. If it’s between him and Ike, I’ll take ike every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Need a guy who has seen the inside of a weight room down low. He’s the perfect compliment to free if he should stick around.

[Xville]

That’s goi g to depend on how the deals…..which are private deals…..are set up. If the kids are smart they will have lawyers involved to make sure that they aren’t being taken advantage of.

However, one of my personal beliefs is that two things will eventually happen:

One…..you’re going to get businesses that are putting up money for kids to endorse their products realize that they can get more bang for their bucks elsewhere and will take their support elsewhere.

Two…you’re going to get businesses putting pressure on coaches to play the players that they are supporting with a threat to take their money elsewhere if the coaches don’t.

This has gone outside the realm of sport and has entered the realm of business, and I’m not confident that most of these kids are prepared to handle that.

Maybe I’m wrong but are these companies really expecting an roi? I could be very wrong, but I feel like these people that are giving money to the collectives don’t care, they just want their team to be good. Again, I could be way off base but to think there is going to be some big roi because hypothetically Colby is on a car dealer commercial seems silly to me.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Feel free to disagree. That's your right. But multiple people who would know have told me as much.

Here's an ESPN article saying it's going on in football:



More:



https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31477534/tampering-arrived-college-football-looks-nba-free-agency

If that's what's on ESPN, what do you think is going on in the shadows?! It's a total free for all and it's all happening well before Player A says on twitter that he's going to the portal.

For the top players, I think this is probably true. For Dioente Miles, and KyKy Tandy, and Elijah Tucker? No

We just were discussing how a large number of players who enter the portal ed up nowhere or back at their original school. One articel stated nly 50% who enter end up at a new NCAA school for their sport. So that means at minimum 50% enter with no idea where they are headed, so it can't be a final step for them.

Half of College Athletes in the Portal Go Unsigned (https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/2022/05/02/ncaa-transfer-portal-dashboard/)

[D-West & PO-Z]

That’s goi g to depend on how the deals…..which are private deals…..are set up. If the kids are smart they will have lawyers involved to make sure that they aren’t being taken advantage of.

However, one of my personal beliefs is that two things will eventually happen:

One…..you’re going to get businesses that are putting up money for kids to endorse their products realize that they can get more bang for their bucks elsewhere and will take their support elsewhere.

Two…you’re going to get businesses putting pressure on coaches to play the players that they are supporting with a threat to take their money elsewhere if the coaches don’t.

This has gone outside the realm of sport and has entered the realm of business, and I’m not confident that most of these kids are prepared to handle that.

It all depends on who the money is coming from. There are rich people who love the programs they support, who couldn't give two shits about how the kid helps proote their business, they just want their favorite team to be really good and win, so they see it as a donation to help them do that. This seems like the U Miami guy.

Then there are actual businesses (the grocery store chain giving Caitlin Clark money) who give money to kids at schools in their immediate area who do see value in their endorsements and expect some level of return on it.

They are two completely different things, and I think both exist, and at this point, I would venture to guess more so the first than the 2nd.

This why boosters paid kids under the table to come to their favorite school for nothing else for decades.

[D-West & PO-Z]

While it would be nice to bring in Ike or some other solid big, there are no transfer bigs I want more than the 3 we currently still have on the roster. It would just be so amazing to have Jack, Zack and Jerome back again.

I know Sean and his staff are working hard to bring in another “Boum” type talent as well as a few more starting level transfers. I believe we’ll see Green and Swain ready to step in and give solid minutes their freshman year. I am hoping our veteran bigs are patiently waiting for Miller to finish assembling the the key missing parts before they let us know they are back to take X to the Final Four next season.

I would love Nunge, Free, and Hunter back. But we absolutely need a better, beefier big who can defend. Now if all those guys return, we aren't going to likely entice a star big man to come, but we need to find someone who can provide that in a backup role getting 10-15 mins or so a game.

Maybe I am wrong and if all 3 are back there is no room, but I think it is a big need still. Plus you're one injury away again from no depth in the frontcourt.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maybe I’m wrong but are these companies really expecting an roi? I could be very wrong, but I feel like these people that are giving money to the collectives don’t care, they just want their team to be good. Again, I could be way off base but to think there is going to be some big roi because hypothetically Colby is on a car dealer commercial seems silly to me.

I didn't see your post before I posted mine. But I think you are 1000% spot on. This is essentially the boosters under the table that went on for decades, but now legal.

I think concerns about ROI, etc are overblown. I think there are some businesses that see an opportunity for marketing and social media exposure from a star athlete (or social media star like the LSU gymnast) but the majority are just rich fans who want their teams to be good. Or larges fanbases who donate in big numbers in small amounts of donations to their schools NIL collective.