Game Thread: Xavier v Seton Hall University (2/24/2023)

[paulxu]

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CINCINNATI --- The Xavier University Musketeers, 20-8 overall and 12-5 in the BIG EAST Conference, open a two-game road swing with a Friday night game at 7 p.m. vs. the Seton Hall University Pirates in New Jersey. XU is looking for its fifth BIG EAST road victory.
Xavier is expected to be without senior and New Jersey native Zach Freemantle for a seventh-straight game due to a foot injury. Freemantle leads XU in rebounding and is second in scoring.

THE MATCHUP

NO. 16/15 XAVIER UNIVERSITY MUSKETEERS (20-8, 12-5 BIG EAST)
SETON HALL UNIVERSITY PIRATES (16-12, 9-8 BIG EAST)
FRIDAY, FEB. 24, 2023 AT 7:00 P.M. ET
AT PRUDENTIAL CENTER IN NEWARK, N.J.

TV, RADIO & LIVE STATS

Television: FS1 with play by-play from John Fanta and analysis from Donny Marshall.
Xavier Radio: 700 WLW with play-by-play from Xavier Hall of Famer Joe Sunderman ('79) and analysis from XU all-time leading scorer and Hall of Famer Byron Larkin ('88). XU broadcast also available on Sirius XM 81 and 81 on the SXM App.
Live Stats: Media stats at Statbroadcast.com (http://Statbroadcast.com) and fan stats at GoXavier.com (http://GoXavier.com).

[zippin']

Not sure if he would care, but sucks Free can't play in possibly his last game back to NJ.

[muskieindent]

I saw on Musketeer Report that Kadary Richmond is injured. May not play

[drudy23]

Just win.

[American X]

May the spirit of J.P. Macura be with us.


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[noteggs]

May the spirit of J.P. Macura be with us.


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Not sure if I like JP’s intensity on his face more or the look on SH fans.

Anyway, definitely one of the best X pic ever. Maybe second to Lenny Brown in front of Huggins

[HenryMuto]

I am shocked X is favored by 1.5 pts tonight. I guessed X would be a 2 to 3 point dog tonight.

[HenryMuto]

Just win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPgPrtOxvK4

[XUGRAD80]

Once more, another big game that will probably be a nail biter. My heart is certainly getting a work out this season, but after the last few years I can take it.

Let’s Go X!

[xavierj]

I am shocked X is favored by 1.5 pts tonight. I guessed X would be a 2 to 3 point dog tonight.

Why? I doubt any metric has them a 2 or 3 pt dog. Seton all is an average Big East team and they are banged up.

[Xville]

Why? I doubt any metric has them a 2 or 3 pt dog. Seton all is an average Big East team and they are banged up.

The only way this line makes any sense to me is if Vegas knows Richmond is out. Is that confirmed? If it is, I do feel good about x winning tonight.

Sagarin has it as about a half point for x and I don’t think that takes into effect free being out, but maybe it does

[xavierj]

The only way this line makes any sense to me is if Vegas knows Richmond is out. Is that confirmed? If it is, I do feel good about x winning tonight.

Sagarin has it as about a half point for x and I don’t think that takes into effect free being out, but maybe it does

Xavier was only getting 5 at Marquette without Free and Des. Seton Hall isn’t Marquette. The line seems correct but should be higher as I think Richmond is out.

[bjf123]

The line seems correct but should be higher as I think Richmond is out.

He is per Adam Baum.

https://twitter.com/adamjbaum/status/1629258294182158336?s=46&t=BFaRhpzSZFkQ7RbyDYbL8g


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[noteggs]

Thanks for update.

Unfortunately we lost to a Butler team without Harris. Reminds me of Bengals losing to backup QB’s. Now would be a good time to get that crap out of my mind.

[KabeX]

Wow calling it tight. Not good for us.

[bjf123]

Nope. Two already on Colby. Of course, one was a charge called by Brian O’Connell.


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[Xville]

X is a trainwreck right now good gawd. This looks like a Xavier February team of the last four years. Make it stop

[HenryMuto]

Hey look more turnovers and all the fouls are going to make things impossible with no depth.

Zero chance to win the game the way they have played the first 5 mins

[MHettel]

Yeah, this is a free fall. One and done if we are lucky

[noteggs]

Nope. Two already on Colby. Of course, one was a charge called by Brian O’Connell.


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Of doesn’t matter, but would’ve loved to see a replay of charge. Probably not because of my bp.

[KabeX]

They're gonna have to go zone. And prob soon

[HenryMuto]

Xavier on pace to make 30 turnovers and commit 30 fouls

[noteggs]

First BOC sucks as a ref.

Secondly, this crew is so inconsistent on their calls. Let the players know

[xavierj]

So far Xavier has to play differently than Seton Hall. The hall is allowed to push and slap and Xavier just gets called for a foul anytime they make contact. It’s ok though as that is typical on the road. Just take care of the ball and rebound and they will be fine. It’s going to be an ugly game.

[HenryMuto]

We are up 9 and I don't feel anything. I won't feel good about any lead short of 25 anymore the way we have blown big leads lately.

[Xville]

This is betterish

[X-band '01]

Seton Hall is a great defensive team. They've held themselves to 10 points in 11 minutes!

[HenryMuto]

Ugly blown bunny there have to be able to finish layups

[xavierj]

Xavier’s defense is light years ahead of where it was. Probably has some to do with Zach being out but they seem to understand what they need to do. Offense is starting to click as well.

[noteggs]

Seton Hall is a great defensive team. They've held themselves to 10 points in 11 minutes!

Hopefully we can keep it that without getting much involved. Definitely will help our defensive metrics.

[HenryMuto]

After a combined 12 turnovers/fouls in the first 8 mins X has 0 in the last 4 mins

[Xville]

Good to see that Edwards gave some solid minutes. Hopefully that’s a bit of a confidence booster

[KabeX]

One of the more ugly 15 point leads. Make no mistake, I am not complaining 1 iota about that ugly 15 point lead.

[xavierj]

One of the more ugly 15 point leads. Make no mistake, I am not complaining 1 iota about that ugly 15 point lead.

That’s just what Seton hall makes the game. How they only have 4 fouls is beyond me. Xavier shooting and rebounding well. 9 assists on 12 baskets. Need to finish the half strong.

[HenryMuto]

I see no one is complaining about the quick 3s tonight I am guessing that is because they are going in tonight.

Boum just took a 3 less than 5 seconds into the clock

We got lucky on that one we did one of those boneheaded turnovers but they blew the dunk and Boum made them pay.

[bjf123]

Did not expect this for the first half.


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[HenryMuto]

40-21 lead at half and I am not overly pumped. Not sure if this is because we have been so snake bitten lately on blown leads and last second losses or if it is Seton Hall sucking so bad on offense and making it look easy.

Seton Hall is not a tournament team.

[noteggs]

This team really confuses me…

[Xville]

Good half… don’t let them back into the game and let this be a comfy win.

[HenryMuto]

6 turnovers and 6 fouls in the first 8 mins

1 turnover and 2 fouls in the final 12 mins

That is called flipping the script

6/10 from 3

[xavierj]

That was a well played first half by Xavier. That team can do damage. Need to repeat in the 2nd half. Can’t have a half like they did at butler and Nova. Take care of the ball and they will win no problem.

[noteggs]

That was a well played first half by Xavier. That team can do damage. Need to repeat in the 2nd half. Can’t have a half like they did at butler and Nova. Take care of the ball and they will win no problem.

Second half starts have been rough for sure

[HenryMuto]

I hated Nunge getting his 2nd foul right before the half but it was great to see Jones play that long and never pick up a 3rd foul after getting 2 fouls so soon.

[HenryMuto]

X ball to start the 2nd half.

[HenryMuto]

If we continue this beat down we might not even end up with a quad 1 win past today for our efforts.

Seton Hall is NET 69 if Xavier keeps playing this way it might be outside top 75 by tomorrow.

[HenryMuto]

3 turnovers already in 2nd half and Nunge has 3 fouls.............JFC IT IS NEVER EASY

Lead down from 19 to 13 JUST LIKE THAT

[bjf123]

And the turnover parade continues. We’ve seen this before.


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[HenryMuto]

JFC Jones you know you can't do that.

So on the first possession we scored but Nunge called for a charge so it would been up 21 and now up 11.

Things have fallen apart quickly where have we seen this before.

The stupid turnovers ruin us every game.

I can't believe this is happening again but I told you I was not even excited with a 15 point lead but I thought 19 was something...............

WRONG

[Xville]

Real solid start to the 2nd half…. Geezus this team lately

[IM4X]

Sean waited too long for that TO. Gave the team too much momentum. X was looking out of sync for so long.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Why is it when we have an 11 point lead it feels vulnerable but when we have an 11 point deficit it feels insurmountable?

[Xville]

Kunkel does the dumbest shit sometimes.

[bjf123]

What the fuck is happening?


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[IM4X]

Here we go again… sloppy play in the second half.

[HenryMuto]

Are we really going to blow a 19 point lead ?

We really needed that Hunter play to be a AND 1 and not on the floor foul.

[Xville]

What a joke. -11 in less than 4 minutes. Absolutely pathetic.

I really don’t understand how jones is a first round draft pick… i watch quite a bit nba and I don’t get it.

[IM4X]

Light a fire under their a$$es now Coach. Your team is in a fog.

[Xavgrad08]

This team certainly goes through spurts where the look really bad. Good thing Seton Hall is not good offensively.

[HenryMuto]

What a debacle this will be the sickest loss of the entire season if they blow this one.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

That was a well played first half by Xavier. That team can do damage. Need to repeat in the 2nd half. Can’t have a half like they did at butler and Nova. Take care of the ball and they will win no problem.

I'm going to assume five turnovers in the first couple of minutes of the second half does not meet the definition of "taking care of the ball". This team shows a troubling and increasingly consistent lack of physical and mental toughness. The game isn't over but, so far, our second half play qualifies as a collapse.

[bjf123]

Are we really going to blow a 19 point lead ?

Yes. Next question.


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[Xville]

Woof thank goodness for boum.. needed that big time

[IM4X]

That was spectacular defense by Claude!

[HenryMuto]

Now that was a RESPONSE!!!!!!!!!

I didn't expect that but it was more then welcomed.

From up 19 to 8 back to 20.

I just hope Jones is ok.

[IM4X]

Just so impressed with Claude!!!

[HenryMuto]

Hopefully that is a cramp

[HenryMuto]

WTF is that 1 guy talking about "How does X keep it rolling when Freemantle comes back"

Hey buddy we have lost 3 out of the last 4 that isn't keeping it rolling.

[X-band '01]

This team certainly goes through spurts where the look really bad. Good thing Seton Hall is not good offensively.

Got to be deflating for The Hall to follow up a 12-1 run with a 12-0 Xavier run.

[noteggs]

Why is it when we have an 11 point lead it feels vulnerable but when we have an 11 point deficit it feels insurmountable?

So true!! Lol

[xavierj]

WTF is that 1 guy talking about "How does X keep it rolling when Freemantle comes back"

Hey buddy we have lost 3 out of the last 4 that isn't keeping it rolling.

I think you are just looking for something to be pissed about. Yeah they lost 3 of 4 by 3 points. It’s not like they were blown out. Would love to see them win this one by 15 plus and not let them back in it again.

[IM4X]

Not too shabby past few minutes, when you thing there is no Colby, Jack or Zach on the floor.

[xavierj]

Kunkel is letting that freshman abouse him. Guy has 10 and averages 2 a game.

[HenryMuto]

Up 23 give up a 10-0 run..................never easy folks

[X-band '01]

At least it looks like Jones just had a stinger earlier and nothing serious.

[HenryMuto]

AND just like that back to 23..............Ok up 23 with 5:50 to go I am going to call game.

[KabeX]

Finally a relaxed, lower blood pressure game. Aaahhh.

[Xville]

Really great response here in the 2nd half after the first four minutes. Way to go on the road and respond this way after a tough loss at home.

[HenryMuto]

We should be moving back into the NET top 30 after this one with such a convincing road win I just wonder if Seton Hall falls from 69 to outside the top 75 tomorrow costing us that quad 1 win.

[HenryMuto]

This also ensures a winning record on the road now 6-4 with just 1 left.

It be great to go in and win at Providence and lock up #2 seed.

That game is going to be a war if Freemantle isn't back for that one. My guess he won't be hope I am wrong.

[HenryMuto]

This is a big road win but I still see X as a 5 seed if the bracket came out today. If X can win at Providence then I could see moving to a 4 seed.

[paulxu]

Hah. Edwards hammered that one.

[HenryMuto]

I would say put the subs in but do we have any ?

[KabeX]

Crazy - I thought about taking the under (didn't bet). It's still in play.

[bjf123]

Crazy - I thought about taking the under (didn't bet). It's still in play.

I did, but also took Seton Hall for a now clearly losing parlay.


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[KabeX]

I did, but also took Seton Hall for a now clearly losing parlay.


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A losing parlay that I'm sure you're OK with.

[X-band '01]

So nice of half this game thread to be on Ignore.

[bjf123]

A losing parlay that I'm sure you're OK with.

Absolutely! At least I took us in the Pick the Score thread, but not by this many.


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[HenryMuto]

Can't get Boum out of the game ? He slipped in fell just now imagine if he reinjured his ankle.

AND NOW WE HAVE A FIGHT THAT MIGHT COST US BOUM VS PROVIDENCE WTF HE SHOULD BEEN OUT OF THE GAME.

[KabeX]

Crazy - I thought about taking the under (didn't bet). It's still in play.
Damn I feel so smart.

[Tim]

So nice of half this game thread to be on Ignore.

Lol, yup.

[Xville]

So effing stupid for boum to be in the game. That’s on Sean… so beyond dumb for him to be on the floor in a blowout

[HenryMuto]

I may have over reacted was nothing for Boum I thought he threw a punch the way the announcers were talking I was in the middle of posting a message why was Boum still in the game and didn't see the start of that.

It was nothing.

[X-band '01]

Yeah, but Hall can't react like that just because he attempted one.

[paulxu]

They're still pissed at JP Macura...clearly.

[KabeX]

They need to just call the game. Now.

[Xville]

Yeah, but Hall can't react like that just because he attempted one.

True.. I just don’t get why coaches do this… the game is over, pull everyone

[xavierj]

So effing stupid for boum to be in the game. That’s on Sean… so beyond dumb for him to be on the floor in a blowout

Agree with that but for seton hall to be mad that Xavier kept playing when they kept playing and scoring is dumb. They continued to stay physical on Boum. But Boum should have been out of the game. But I was fine with him shooting a three.

[HenryMuto]

A very impressive win tonight. Good win.

[bjf123]

Yeah, but Hall can't react like that just because he attempted one.

I think he attempted it because they were still playing tough D.


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[HenryMuto]

Seton Hall was still pressing down 25 with 90 seconds left I was like wtf are they still pressing.

[X-band '01]

Best call O'Connell ever made just to call the game. On to PC.

[Xville]

Agree with that but for seton hall to be mad that Xavier kept playing when they kept playing and scoring is dumb. They continued to stay physical on Boum. But Boum should have been out of the game. But I was fine with him shooting a three.

Yeah I don’t care if he shot, that’s whatever but shouldn’t even be in the game. You’re up twenty, only bad things can happen with him still in the game

[IM4X]

Boum goes the Dynamite!

[N67ER]

We are up 9 and I don't feel anything. I won't feel good about any lead short of 25 anymore the way we have blown big leads lately.
Got your wish!

[GoMuskies]

Shaheen can suck a dick.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah I don’t care if he shot, that’s whatever but shouldn’t even be in the game. You’re up twenty, only bad things can happen with him still in the game

We have no one else to play.

[Xville]

We have no one else to play.

The mullet?

[XUGRAD80]

We have no one else to play.

Yep..Kunk had fouled out. Could have put a walk on in but otherwise they were out of scholarship guards.

[Xville]

Anyways great road win! Needed that one. One more week!

[noteggs]

Road kill!!!

[GoMuskies]

Speaking of players, is Miles hurt, too? Expected him for Hunter the last minute or two.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Sweep them ! The final score is unexpected.

[XUGRAD80]

In the pregame, Joe asked Miller about the players schedule the last couple of days…..Tuesday they played. Wednesday they watched film and had a walk through. Thursday a good practice before traveling to SH. Friday a shoot around and then the game. Miller is doing everything he can give these guys rest and still keep them sharp.

Will they stay there or come home before a Wednesday’s game at Providence? The tram needs rest as much as anything this time of year, so I hope that they stay there.

[GoMuskies]

It's a two hour charter flight and 5 days until Providence. They're definitely coming home.

[paulxu]

Good to see Edwards get some minutes. He's shed the bushy hair-do, and the glasses, and it seems like Sean has toughened his game up.
Hope he's able to help even more.

[muskieindent]

Glad to see us respond back after SH went on that 10-1 run to start the half. Good win and it’s a Quad 1

[Xville]

Huge nova fan tomorrow! Probably avoid the 4 seed if nova can pull it off

[noteggs]

Good to see Edwards get some minutes. He's shed the bushy hair-do, and the glasses, and it seems like Sean has toughened his game up.
Hope he's able to help even more.

Did seem like a different player tonight! Toughness was much better. Had to laugh with him being a little winded. Guess that’s what happens when you out of game playing shape.

[UCGRAD4X]

I would rather Boum had not taken that shot, but, if you're mad because the other team takes a shot up 20, my advice is, don't suck!

[xavierj]

I would rather Boum had not taken that shot, but, if you're mad because the other team takes a shot up 20, my advice is, don't suck!

And don’t keep pressing and trapping the guy with the ball. Drop back and play defense or if not you can expect the other team to keep playing.

[JTG]

I would rather Boum had not taken that shot, but, if you're mad because the other team takes a shot up 20, my advice is, don't suck!

We pretty much have the NET to blame for this. With their, it's how much you win by foolishness. It should just be who you play and whether you win or lose.

[GoMuskies]

We don't. Boum wasn't in because of NET. Thinking margin of victory isn't relevant for a power ranking is kind of goofy.

[Xavgrad08]

Anyone see the handshake line afterward between Miller and Holloway ? Looked like a strange exchange. Seton Hall take your twenty point loss and move on.

[Lloyd Braun]

Sean probably isn’t happy Boum jacked a 3. They are short on bodies and it was Boum or a walk on. I’m not sure what is more insulting but I put the walk on in if I’m coach. Again… they weren’t losing either way and having any starter in is a problem. As someone who has coached 7th grade girls CYO it’s always on the losing team to pull the starters first. There, I said it.

Shaheen probably a bit of a sore loser tonight but also probably not happy his team let losing get the best of them. Handshake was awkward for sure…

Nice win but not really no offense to the Pirates.

[Caveat]

Quality bounce back effort on the road for a Quad 1 win.

[Strange Brew]

Anyone see the handshake line afterward between Miller and Holloway ? Looked like a strange exchange. Seton Hall take your twenty point loss and move on.

Looked like SH’s coach ignored Sean and slapped his hand away. I no longer care if Boum took that shot.

Good win and nice back game.

Let’s go X!

[Xavgrad08]

Looked like SH’s coach ignored Sean and slapped his hand away. I no longer care if Boum took that shot.

Good win and nice back game.

Let’s go X!

That was my interpretation as well.What a diva move by the SH coach. Can’t wait to beat them again in the future.

[Masterofreality]

Is the Season OFF the Brink yet??

[X-band '01]

Who said it was on the brink?

[X-band '01]

I would rather Boum had not taken that shot, but, if you're mad because the other team takes a shot up 20, my advice is, don't suck!

I'd be perfectly okay with him doing that against Butler in Cintas.

[Xavier]

Really good win. Don’t really care about the end game. No, I don’t think Sean is considering the win margin helping computer numbers at the end of the game. I don’t think we had a good option at that point as others pointed out. Personally I didn’t want him in the game anyways. Out of respect? Hell no. “Do you want him to put a walk on in?” ….up 20 with 90 seconds left? Sure.

All I’m saying is if he twists an ankle, or god forbid worse, with a minute left in a game we are winning by 20- everyone here would be questioning what the hell he was doing in the game in the first place.

[XUBison]

Who said it was on the brink?

That Kentucky fan.

[XUGRAD80]

I wish Boum had just dribbled out the time instead of taking that shot, BUT it’s also on the losing team to call off the dogs too. SH was still trapping and trying to turn X over at that point. On that final play it was the SH player ran into Boum on the last possession while Boum was just standing there letting the time run out. Boum did not instigate that contact. We also don’t know how much talk and abuse had been going on against Boum until that point in the game, but it sure seemed like a lot. Boum probably was a little fed up at that point. The kid that got T-ed up with Boum is just a freshman backup, and I’m sure he is still trying to impress his coach by playing hard until the final whistle, but with some more time and experience he doesn’t make that move. He just pulls back, takes his loss, and moves on. Let’s also remember that it was he that pushed Boum, not the opposite. IMO it’s much ado about nothing. Time to move on and I hope that SH will do just that, I sure that X will.

[zanesxu]

The thing is, SH wasn’t backing off during the last 90 seconds. I don’t blame Boum for the three, in the context, they were playing defense until the end.

Also congrats to Shaheen Holloway for becoming my favorite coach to beat… and see lose.

[HenryMuto]

If we continue this beat down we might not even end up with a quad 1 win past today for our efforts.

Seton Hall is NET 69 if Xavier keeps playing this way it might be outside top 75 by tomorrow.

This is exactly what happened X kicked Seton Hall around so bad they fell to 78. So that quad 1 lasted about 8 hours

X went up to 25

[UCGRAD4X]

I'd be perfectly okay with him doing that against Butler in Cintas.

I'm a fan of showing more class, even in the face of classless fucks like Butler. But I would certainly be less disappointed against Buthole for sure.

I also don't think Boum should have been in there for potential injury as suggested, but also because he plays too many damn minutes already.

I wonder why Boum wasn't shooting foul shots at the end of the game.

[Masterofreality]

Who said it was on the brink?

The guy with UK, Ohio State, Cleveland State logos in his profile pic.

[bigdiggins]

I wish Boum had just dribbled out the time instead of taking that shot, BUT it’s also on the losing team to call off the dogs too. SH was still trapping and trying to turn X over at that point. On that final play it was the SH player ran into Boum on the last possession while Boum was just standing there letting the time run out. Boum did not instigate that contact. We also don’t know how much talk and abuse had been going on against Boum until that point in the game, but it sure seemed like a lot. Boum probably was a little fed up at that point. The kid that got T-ed up with Boum is just a freshman backup, and I’m sure he is still trying to impress his coach by playing hard until the final whistle, but with some more time and experience he doesn’t make that move. He just pulls back, takes his loss, and moves on. Let’s also remember that it was he that pushed Boum, not the opposite. IMO it’s much ado about nothing. Time to move on and I hope that SH will do just that, I sure that X will.

There was a 10 second differential on the shot and game clock. Regardless of the fact that Seton Hall was still pressing you have to shoot it at some point, why is it different with 15 seconds vs 5 on the shot clock? Seton Hall reflects their whiny b!tch coaches personality.

[boozehound]

The thing is, SH wasn’t backing off during the last 90 seconds. I don’t blame Boum for the three, in the context, they were playing defense until the end.

Also congrats to Shaheen Holloway for becoming my favorite coach to beat… and see lose.

If you are still playing hard defense in the last 90 seconds, expect the other team to take shots. I don't really get any of these unwritten rules about 'class' at the end of a blowout. Don't rub it in, talk shit, excessively celebrate - I'm all for that, but expecting kids to stop playing basketball so a 20 point win doesn't turn into a 23 point win is kind of pointless IMO.

Shaheen Holloway is turning out about how I expected - mediocre. That whole thing with the handshake etc. is just soft and petulant little kid shit. You could see Miller laughing about it in the handshake line. Also his voice is funny. What a pussy.

[JAPER]

http://www.piratesurgeon.com/pages/surgeon_pages/deceased2.html

A historical perspective on zip ‘em up.

Nothing to see here. Big East hoops with some passion on both sides. Seton Hall play stout defense and was torched last night by a better offense. On to the Ocean State…

[Masterofreality]

If you are still playing hard defense in the last 90 seconds, expect the other team to take shots. I don't really get any of these unwritten rules about 'class' at the end of a blowout. Don't rub it in, talk shit, excessively celebrate - I'm all for that, but expecting kids to stop playing basketball so a 20 point win doesn't turn into a 23 point win is kind of pointless IMO.

Shaheen Holloway is turning out about how I expected - mediocre. That whole thing with the handshake etc. is just soft and petulant little kid shit. You could see Miller laughing about it in the handshake line. Also his voice is funny. What a pussy.

This 100

[drudy23]

Can some of us step away from the ledge now?

5 year hiatus from the Dance is over!

[X-band '01]

The guy with UK, Ohio State, Cleveland State logos in his profile pic.

And that is why I have him on ignore. Don't need game threads piling up with his drivel.


If you are still playing hard defense in the last 90 seconds, expect the other team to take shots. I don't really get any of these unwritten rules about 'class' at the end of a blowout. Don't rub it in, talk shit, excessively celebrate - I'm all for that, but expecting kids to stop playing basketball so a 20 point win doesn't turn into a 23 point win is kind of pointless IMO.

Shaheen Holloway is turning out about how I expected - mediocre. That whole thing with the handshake etc. is just soft and petulant little kid shit. You could see Miller laughing about it in the handshake line. Also his voice is funny. What a pussy.

Honestly I don't have a problem with what they were doing, but we saw last night the potential downside. Colby Jones earlier did leave the game briefly after knocking knees with a Hall player, but that play wasn't dirty. They just made a mistake going for the steal when Boum wasn't looking. Thankfully it didn't turn out like the Kansas-Kansas State game did a few years back when Silvio de Sousa tried to hit someone with a chair in the stands.

[drudy23]

Sean will lose zero sleep over it. Bigger things to worry about.

[XUGRAD80]

There was a 10 second differential on the shot and game clock. Regardless of the fact that Seton Hall was still pressing you have to shoot it at some point, why is it different with 15 seconds vs 5 on the shot clock? Seton Hall reflects their whiny b!tch coaches personality.

Not to get stuck on this, as I don’t think it’s that big a deal, but you DON’T have to shoot it at some point. With that big of a lead, just dribble the time clock out and turn the ball over. It would have made zero difference in the outcome of the game.

The SH coach does come across as you describe him. His demeanor in the huddle they showed was not good.

[Strange Brew]

Liked what I saw from some of the bigs off the bench. Good minutes.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Liked what I saw from some of the bigs off the bench. Good minutes.

Agree. Like Edward's aggressiveness, especially on the block attempt, even though he was whistled for a foul. Edwards has to be more aggressive going forward. This late in the season, with the opening of the transfer portal coming at season end, Edwards is playing for a seat at the table next year. Not knowing what is going to happen with Nunge, Free and Colby, if they move on (which I consider a very real possibility) Miller is going to need to move quickly in the portal. If the coaches don't think Edwards is a realistic part of next year's rotation, they are just going to try to find the talent that will relegate him to the bench.

That Seton Hall run at the beginning of the second half nearly put me in a full-on HENRYMUTO. Thank God they stemmed the tide.

[boozehound]

Not to get stuck on this, as I don’t think it’s that big a deal, but you DON’T have to shoot it at some point. With that big of a lead, just dribble the time clock out and turn the ball over. It would have made zero difference in the outcome of the game.

The SH coach does come across as you describe him. His demeanor in the huddle they showed was not good.

That would be weird, especially with the other team continuing to play hard defense. Just dribble the ball and turn it over? This isn't 6 year old rec league soccer. Besides that fact that I think as a player potentially the most degrading thing that can happen is for another team to beat your ass so badly that they just stop even trying to score. I'd rather they just kept playing and potentially run up the score.

In this particular game I would have preferred Miller put the walk-ons in for the last minute or so, but only to prevent injury risk, not because I care about Shaheen Holloway's feelings getting hurt. This is all just dancing around the fact that what really happened was the Seton Hall got curb stomped at their own arena, and the players and coach showed poor sportsmanship at the end of the loss. Anything else is just trying to paint Xavier as somehow partially to blame for their inability to control themselves.

Seems like maybe one Elite 8 run at St. Peter's doesn't necessarily mean you are ready for the big time.

[boozehound]

Agree. Like Edward's aggressiveness, especially on the block attempt, even though he was whistled for a foul. Edwards has to be more aggressive going forward. This late in the season, with the opening of the transfer portal coming at season end, Edwards is playing for a seat at the table next year. Not knowing what is going to happen with Nunge, Free and Colby, if they move on (which I consider a very real possibility) Miller is going to need to move quickly in the portal. If the coaches don't think Edwards is a realistic part of next year's rotation, they are just going to try to find the talent that will relegate him to the bench.

That Seton Hall run at the beginning of the second half nearly put me in a full-on HENRYMUTO. Thank God they stemmed the tide.

Edwards looked great at time, and horrible at times. On balance I would have hoped he would take slightly better advantage of the minutes he is getting, but some potential is definitely there. His struggles look more mental than physical at this point. Hopefully the light switch flicks on at some point here.

[XUGRAD80]

That would be weird, especially with the other team continuing to play hard defense. Just dribble the ball and turn it over?

No weirder than a football team taking a knee 3 times and then punting the ball because they are up 2 scores with 10 seconds left in the game……which happens often.

Xavier HAS done exactly what I described before, when in similar situations. Pretty sure it even happened early this season in in OCC buy game. The object is to just win the games, it’s not to humiliate the opponent.

[MHettel]

Very rare to see a team take the turnover in that situation. If the game clock is less than the shot clock, then different story all together. That is a situation where the winning team is expected to, and almost always does, run the clock out.

We took possession with 40 seconds left, so a shot was going up.

What I REALLY don’t understand is why everyone assumes the annoyance was aimed at Boum. He actually missed the shot and Tucker grabbed the rebound underneath and tried to go back up with it. Now, THAT was a needless attempt as we could have dribbled it out at that point.

[XUGRAD80]

Very rare to see a team take the turnover in that situation. If the game clock is less than the shot clock, then different story all together. That is a situation where the winning team is expected to, and almost always does, run the clock out.

We took possession with 40 seconds left, so a shot was going up.

What I REALLY don’t understand is why everyone assumes the annoyance was aimed at Boum. He actually missed the shot and Tucker grabbed the rebound underneath and tried to go back up with it. Now, THAT was a needless attempt as we could have dribbled it out at that point.

Good point.

I’ll just leave it that SH lost their cool at the end of the game. The SH player should have just let Boum dribble it out and the rest of the team shouldn’t have jumped at the Xavier players.

Did anyone else notice Edwards pushing Dante Jackson and others back toward the Xavier bench area and away from the SH players? Smart for them all to start walking back towards the locker room too. Very important that it didn’t escalate and someone on the X side get hurt or suspended. One SH player did leave the bench and was ejected. Doesn’t that mean he has to miss the next game too?

[boozehound]

No weirder than a football team taking a knee 3 times and then punting the ball because they are up 2 scores with 10 seconds left in the game……which happens often.

Xavier HAS done exactly what I described before, when in similar situations. Pretty sure it even happened early this season in in OCC buy game. The object is to just win the games, it’s not to humiliate the opponent.

I can't ever recall seeing a team just dribble the shot clock out and take a turnover late in a game?

Taking a knee in football is a little different in my opinion. In that case the offense controls the tempo of the game essentially, so they just take a knee and the play is immediately over, but the clock continues to run. The defenders don't really have the option to continue to play once the whistle has been blown. In basketball the clock was running and the other team was still playing hard.

Regardless - the game is over, we won big, and Holloway threw a bit of a hissy fit, but no big deal. On to the next.

[bjf123]

One of the best parts of the broadcast was Donny Marshall’s comments about the first time he saw Sean Miller back when they both played in the Big East. I don’t remember his exact words, but it was something along the lines of seeing all the “Miller Time” signs at Pitt and then this skinny little white kid comes out, who promptly lit them up in the game.


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[Blue Blooded-05]

Holloway pulled a Mick Cronin. Create a post game distraction to divert attention away from the fact that you just got your ass beat in a a game you absolutely had to win. The fact that we’re even talking about it the next day means we’re playing into his hand.

[UCGRAD4X]

Holloway pulled a Mick Cronin. Create a post game distraction to divert attention away from the fact that you just got your ass beat in a a game you absolutely had to win. The fact that we’re even talking about it the next day means we’re playing into his hand.

I could personally give two shits about what Hollowhead said (I don't even know what he said or that he really said anything) and it has nothing to do with my part in the discussion. My only point is to the players who "acted a fool" - don't like it, don't suck!

especially at home.

The benefit I see is that we may have a bit of a minor disdain and more of a reason to further shame them'

"Now go away or I will taunt you a second time!"

[bjf123]

I could personally give two shits about what Hollowhead said (I don't even know what he said or that he really said anything) and it has nothing to do with my part in the discussion. My only point is to the players who "acted a fool" - don't like it, don't suck!

especially at home.

The benefit I see is that we may have a bit of a minor disdain and more of a reason to further shame them'

"Now go away or I will taunt you a second time!"

“Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!”


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[nickgyp]

I can't ever recall seeing a team just dribble the shot clock out and take a turnover late in a game?

Taking a knee in football is a little different in my opinion. In that case the offense controls the tempo of the game essentially, so they just take a knee and the play is immediately over, but the clock continues to run. The defenders don't really have the option to continue to play once the whistle has been blown. In basketball the clock was running and the other team was still playing hard.

Regardless - the game is over, we won big, and Holloway threw a bit of a hissy fit, but no big deal. On to the next.

Boum is an excellent three point shooter but throwing up that last three looked more like a “ I just need to get rid of the ball” action than an actual attempt to score. The shot was of no consequence either way and it didn’t resemble a serious effort to score IMO.

[American X]

J.P. Macura must be pleased with the wedgie Xavier gave to Seton Hall. He would have had a field day with Shaheen Holloway.

The smartest thing Xavier did was play Seton Hall who scores about as well as St. Joseph's School for the Blind in Jersey City, New Jersey.

[IM4X]

Agree. Like Edward's aggressiveness, especially on the block attempt, even though he was whistled for a foul. Edwards has to be more aggressive going forward. This late in the season, with the opening of the transfer portal coming at season end, Edwards is playing for a seat at the table next year. Not knowing what is going to happen with Nunge, Free and Colby, if they move on (which I consider a very real possibility) Miller is going to need to move quickly in the portal. If the coaches don't think Edwards is a realistic part of next year's rotation, they are just going to try to find the talent that will relegate him to the bench.

That Seton Hall run at the beginning of the second half nearly put me in a full-on HENRYMUTO. Thank God they stemmed the tide.

agree that Edwards shows so real promise in the game. There is no question that X will have to go to the portal if Nunge and Free don’t stick around (though I could see at least one of them coming back). Regardless, I think Edwards has shown enough in that game that he can be expected to be a solid contributor next year. I would save a spot for him. Maybe it is just a coincidence, but I honestly think that all of that hair he was carrying around for so long was slowing him down. If not physically, then at least it was a distraction to him. He just looks more mobile and comfortable. I am excited now to see where his ceiling is.

[bjf123]

I can’t see Nunge sticking around. Isn’t he like 24 or 25 and married with a kid?


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[drudy23]

I can’t see Nunge sticking around. Isn’t he like 24 or 25 and married with a kid?


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If he can take another year to make NIL money instead of getting a real job, why not? Does he even want to play overseas?

Not sure how much these guys can make with NIL, but certainly worth looking into.

[GoMuskies]

Plus the $50k worth of education, room and board.

[Xavier]

If he can take another year to make NIL money instead of getting a real job, why not? Does he even want to play overseas?

Not sure how much these guys can make with NIL, but certainly worth looking into.

I think he would be able to retire comfortably after a 10+ year career overseas. Still not an easy thing to do but still.

[JTG]

I think he would be able to retire comfortably after a 10+ year career overseas. Still not an easy thing to do but still.

I'm not so sure. He's having trouble with the rigors of a college schedule, let alone a pro league schedule. He may just need to have a regular job, or possibly coaching.

[XUGRAD80]

I'm not so sure. He's having trouble with the rigors of a college schedule, let alone a pro league schedule. He may just need to have a regular job, or possibly coaching.

In some ways, the college life is harder than a pro life, with less free time. He also wouldn’t most likely be asked to play 35-40 minutes per game, game after game. But retiring comfortably after a 10 year career overseas? Probably not.

[smileyy]

the college life is harder than a pro life

And in lot of ways the pro-life is harder, with an 82-game season, real road trips, and back-to-backs. The NBA season is a grind compared to the college season and recent college grads will tell you that.

[Masterofreality]

And in lot of ways the pro-life is harder, with an 82-game season, real road trips, and back-to-backs. The NBA season is a grind compared to the college season and recent college grads will tell you that.

This. It’s not even close. With exhibitions and playoffs, many teams play well over 90 games-.FORTY EIGHT MINUTE games. Back to backs in different cities. Plane flights that get you into a hotel at 3:30am. 4 and 5 game road trips. A season that starts in October and ends in May for most. Plus you are playing against the best in the world. No nights off.
A guy like Jack Nunge could not hold up in the NBA and Free’s feet are a big problem for him in this regard.

[GoMuskies]

I don't think those guys have to worry about the rigors of the NBA. What about Australia or Turkey or China?

[XUGRAD80]

I don't think those guys have to worry about the rigors of the NBA. What about Australia or Turkey or China?

That’s more or less what I was referring to. I’ve no way of knowing for sure, but I’d certainly bet that the NBA is not in Nunge’s future.

From all accounts, while playing overseas has its own set of challenges, it’s not the grind that NBA life is.

[Muskeagle]

The end of game stuff was definitely an interesting sideshow. A few observations:
1. I do think Holloway was complaining about the shot, b/c I think that's why Boum stopped dribbling with about 6 seconds left and turned towards Holloway on the sidelines to see what he was yelling about.
2. I get the double tech...totally merited. HOWEVER, the refs totally missed the foul at 1.6 seconds that precipitated the double techs.
3. The last game we were up big in, Sean did put the walk ons in (DePaul) and the 20 + win became an 11 or 12 pt win.
4. This ABSOLUTELY matters in the age of the NET. A 20 pt. win is MUCH more beneficial than a 10 pt win. X was definitely hurt in the NET by playing scrubs against DePaul's starters. I'm sure this was on his mind.
5. Plus, there was NO "in between" option. He had put Tucker and Edwards in. But there are NO guards left. No Kraft. No Tandy to be out there and as mentioned, Kunkel fouled out.
6. So you play your starters...you press, you get what you ask for.

This is a bit of a change for me. I've never been a "run it up guy", always the "stay classy guy." Pull off the press early if you are way up. Hold at the end. Put your scrubs in. All of that. But, it takes two to play that game and in the million dollar, NIL world of big time college basketball....when you KNOW the rules (NET IS important), you can't get your panties in a wad if you keep YOUR starters in, pressing at the end of the game. Total bullshit move to play one way and expect the other team to bend over and take it from you.

[UCGRAD4X]

The end of game stuff was definitely an interesting sideshow. A few observations:
1. I do think Holloway was complaining about the shot, b/c I think that's why Boum stopped dribbling with about 6 seconds left and turned towards Holloway on the sidelines to see what he was yelling about.
2. I get the double tech...totally merited. HOWEVER, the refs totally missed the foul at 1.6 seconds that precipitated the double techs.
3. The last game we were up big in, Sean did put the walk ons in (DePaul) and the 20 + win became an 11 or 12 pt win.
4. This ABSOLUTELY matters in the age of the NET. A 20 pt. win is MUCH more beneficial than a 10 pt win. X was definitely hurt in the NET by playing scrubs against DePaul's starters. I'm sure this was on his mind.
5. Plus, there was NO "in between" option. He had put Tucker and Edwards in. But there are NO guards left. No Kraft. No Tandy to be out there and as mentioned, Kunkel fouled out.
6. So you play your starters...you press, you get what you ask for.

This is a bit of a change for me. I've never been a "run it up guy", always the "stay classy guy." Pull off the press early if you are way up. Hold at the end. Put your scrubs in. All of that. But, it takes two to play that game and in the million dollar, NIL world of big time college basketball....when you KNOW the rules (NET IS important), you can't get your panties in a wad if you keep YOUR starters in, pressing at the end of the game. Total bullshit move to play one way and expect the other team to bend over and take it from you.

Well said.

Yes. Boum should have been shooting for the foul that precipitated the dust-up. That would have added two more points to Anderson's juvenile pouting.

[Xville]

Fantastic start

[noteggs]

Not to mention fantastic unis!

[Xville]

Not to mention fantastic unis!

Amen

[Xville]

Kunkel taking shots early in the shot clock drives me effing crazy

[Xville]

All in all a great start and providence is ice cold

[noteggs]

X good D or PC bad O? Whatever I’ll take it

[Xville]

Claude looks awesome… he’s going to be one hell of a player

[Xville]

Will be interesting to see how providence responds to this t. They have been sleepwalking thru this game so far. If this doesn’t wake them up, x should have an easy win.

[noteggs]

Claude looks awesome… he’s going to be one hell of a player

Without a doubt! Heard he called bank on that three…

[xukeith]

Claude has 7. Bank 3 was owed to Muskies. Edwards had 2 blocks and good box outs.

[xavierj]

Xavier’s defense is just 1000 times better right now. Guys are in the right spots and really when Hunter, Jones and Claude are on the floor, it’s a pretty good defensive team. With the way the offense is playing along with the improved defense, Xavier will be tough to beat moving forward.

[Xville]

Boum with 19 already… yowza they can’t guard him

[xavierj]

Jeffrey Anderson starting to take over.

[Strange Brew]

FT parade for PU

[Xville]

X took the foot off the gas and friars woke up. Alright, in for a battle

[xu82]

Good time for a timeout! Keep it double digits until the half, then bring our bigs back in.

[BillikenMusketeer]

Blown half time lead was coming, standard practice.

Also, why is the GDT in the Seton Hall thread?

[noteggs]

Knew run was coming. Get back with our own!

[Xville]

Blown half time lead was coming, standard practice.

Also, why is the GDT in the Seton Hall thread?

Ha because I’m an idiot and started posting in it thinking it was providence.

[xu82]

Blown half time lead was coming, standard practice.

Also, why is the GDT in the Seton Hall thread?

We like to keep ‘em guessing?

[bjf123]

Knew run was coming. Get back with our own!

And maybe go over to the Providence game thread.


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[xu82]

Hunter I can see risking a 3rd 1st half foul. Nunge I’d probably have kept sitting. Ouch!

[noteggs]

And maybe go over to the Providence game thread.


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We played better in this thread!!! Maybe I’ll stay here

[bjf123]

We played better in this thread!!! Maybe I’ll stay here

Works for me!


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