Renovations to Cintas Center

[Muskie]

Link (https://goxavier.com/news/2023/2/14/all-for-one-fund-xavier-athletics-announces-major-changes-coming-to-cintas-center.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2YZHXNPYuW4CRoFmFZNPD0Za8md fhVtDvoIhK0XoPFhgxfifLf266YAoQ)

""We have prioritized modernizing Cintas Center over the past several years to ensure that our home court is one of the premier on-campus facilities in the country," said Greg Christopher, Vice President for Administration and Director of Athletics. "With the upcoming changes over the next two summers, we will completely transform a great facility into a state-of-the-art arena that's well positioned for the future."

Additional updates will be completed during the summer of 2024, in advance of the 2024-25 season."

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Involves a re-seating and it sounds like a reconfiguration of the seating and maybe seating capacity.

[GoMuskies]

Reduction of seating capacity is kind of a bummer, but it seems the way of the world. People in general are less interested in actually attending games in person than they once were.

[drudy23]

Reduction of seating capacity is kind of a bummer, but it seems the way of the world. People in general are less interested in actually attending games in person than they once were.

I doubt the reduction number is significant, likely negligible. It also gives them an excuse for re-selection and an uptick in ticket and donation prices. Everything else around this announcement is just marketing. It's really a "seat prices are going up" announcement.

As a true basketball junkie, the product on the court is and always has been most important to me. I'm guessing that's true for most in this forum. If the team was in the Gardens, I'd still go.

[STL_XUfan]

I think the seat reselection process will become a regular occurrence every 5 or so years moving forward. Not a fan of it, since we have a group of 12 tickets together, so it makes it harder to find a block for our group. However, I understand that it is a necessary evil to keep generating revenue to keep up with the Jones'

[X-man]

When they did this the last time, the AD came to my office and told me straight out that this wouldn't happen again. He also told me that it wasn't just a pure money grab, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised when he says something that turns out not to be true.

[Xville]

Reduction of seating capacity is kind of a bummer, but it seems the way of the world. People in general are less interested in actually attending games in person than they once were.

Except that at Xavier, they don’t have an attendance issue. I think they should add seats to maybe 12-13k and I think most games they would fill them. I get the fan experience high dollar angle but I wish they would do it in conjunction with adding seats.

[GoMuskies]

Except that at Xavier, they don’t have an attendance issue.

Not today, but I suspect there have been plenty of good seats available the last four years. And I bet in the future the overall trend is going to continue. Plus, I'm sure the reduction will be very modest.

[94GRAD]

I find it funny that fans want X to "PAY" Sean and the Staff but raise holy hell when they are potentially asked to chip in for it through new/higher ticket/donation prices.

[Xville]

Not today, but I suspect there have been plenty of good seats available the last four years. And I bet in the future the overall trend is going to continue. Plus, I'm sure the reduction will be very modest.

Fair… I guess I should have added the caveat of don’t hire someone like Steele again lol.

I understand what you are saying in regards to overall trend in sports. I just think that Xavier is in a spot that is the outlier, again with the particular caveat I mentioned lol

[94GRAD]

https://twitter.com/XavierAFO/status/1625527577552252928

[Muskie]

Reduction of seating capacity is kind of a bummer, but it seems the way of the world. People in general are less interested in actually attending games in person than they once were.

Increasing revenue is part of the arms race that is being part of the Big East. I get it. I hope it doesn't end up in me having worse seats again.

[Final4]

I find it funny that fans want X to "PAY" Sean and the Staff but raise holy hell when they are potentially asked to chip in for it through new/higher ticket/donation prices.

I could give a rats ass about raising prices.......I think they do it every year anyway don't they? What pisses me off is when you have a group with varying levels of musketeer points having to go through the seat selection process every few years. I suspect we will be presented with the same dilemma this time as we had last time, stay together and downgrade our seats or split up.

[Final4]

When they did this the last time, the AD came to my office and told me straight out that this wouldn't happen again. He also told me that it wasn't just a pure money grab, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised when he says something that turns out not to be true.

Interesting. I called Greg the last time this happened and left a message. He called me back promptly which I appreciated. I told him that the whole thing smelled of a money grab. He assured me it wasn't and also stated that it wouldn't need to be done again.

[X-man]

Interesting. I called Greg the last time this happened and left a message. He called me back promptly which I appreciated. I told him that the whole thing smelled of a money grab. He assured me it wasn't and also stated that it wouldn't need to be done again.

That was our conversation, exactly. Except it was to my face, in my office, at Xavier.

[paulxu]

Maybe there are heavy hitters lining up to get upgraded suites. I can see them being redone, maybe some are added and reduce regular seating.
Not completely familiar with all the layout.
But, if the regular seats are not going to be affected, why do they have to re-seat everybody?

[STL_XUfan]

Maybe there are heavy hitters lining up to get upgraded suites. I can see them being redone, maybe some are added and reduce regular seating.
Not completely familiar with all the layout.
But, if the regular seats are not going to be affected, why do they have to re-seat everybody?

Looking at the rendering you are going to lose the last couple of rows in the lower bowl, which will displace a few hundred people. Probably not enough open seats to equitably relocate those folks, so you just redo the whole thing.

[xudash]

Champagne problems.

[nickgyp]

Maybe there are heavy hitters lining up to get upgraded suites. I can see them being redone, maybe some are added and reduce regular seating.
Not completely familiar with all the layout.
But, if the regular seats are not going to be affected, why do they have to re-seat everybody?

Great question. Such is the price of success. Those of us who sat through games at Schmidt Fieldhouse, unless we used our Xavier degrees to make great gobs of money, will be further pushed to the side as the Musketeers continue to rise in college basketballÂ’s higher echelons.

But amid all the sights of the flamethrowers and the sounds of the thumping bass music, something seems to be lost. Along with the NILs and game schedules that are not really designed for student-athletes, the big business nature of college athletics rears its ugly head.

Future Cintas attendees may include the Lebron James and Paul McCartneys of the world who can jet into Lunken Airport while the rest of us can watch the games on Fox. (Rumor has it that McCartney became an Eagles fan when the Beatles arrived in 1964 when Norm Van Brocklin greeted him on the tarmac and invited McCartney to a game in Philly the following season.)

It is the American way and I wonÂ’t lose too much sleep over it. There are far bigger problems in the world.

[Muskie]

Maybe there are heavy hitters lining up to get upgraded suites. I can see them being redone, maybe some are added and reduce regular seating.
Not completely familiar with all the layout.
But, if the regular seats are not going to be affected, why do they have to re-seat everybody?

From what I am told, the Suites facing the bench and scorer's table and the couple rows of seats in front of them will be turned into the Center Court Club Area. So that requires re-seating.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Nvm

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maybe they can finally fix the wifi too?

[X-band '01]

Maybe they can finally fix the wifi too?

Nah, surely you jest.

[X-band '01]

But in all seriousness, I did notice that the prices for my section in 108 will be the same in 2023-24 but will go up about $200 after reseating takes place in 2024-25. I'm not sure if Row R is supposed to be one of the seats that gets razed for the Center Club or not.

Now I did notice that Duff's access would be available pregame for my section starting in 2024-25. Don't think that's currently a perk for my section.

[noteggs]

New center court club looks cool. Not sure what they can do to improve other suites on other side tho. Seating outside the suites is nice and great place to watch, but inside you can only do so much especially with a 10 X 15 box?

[X-band '01]

Fair… I guess I should have added the caveat of don’t hire someone like Steele again lol.

I understand what you are saying in regards to overall trend in sports. I just think that Xavier is in a spot that is the outlier, again with the particular caveat I mentioned lol

Could you imagine the backlash if Travis Steele were still coaching and Xavier unveiled a plan like this? Personally, I'll try to hang on to my seat or stay as close to it as humanly possible.

Then again, I wouldn't mind figuring out where a lot of our esteemed posters plan on selecting in a couple of years.

[Masterofreality]

Champagne problems.

Yup.

Awwwwwwww. Some people are going to be going through a “minor inconvenience” by having to move. Guess what? Get over it.
And wow! What a “money grab!!!” Everyone knows that Sean Miller and his staff are compensated by magical unicorn turds. NO ONE should ever have to pay extra for anything to be good. It should just happen because Xavier as a private institution is just granted things by Devine Providence!!
That’s how this works right?
If you don’t like it, you can always just not renew tickets. I think there will be plenty of people who will be happy to take your place.

[nickgyp]

Yup.

Awwwwwwww. Some people are going to be going through a “minor inconvenience” by having to move. Guess what? Get over it.
And wow! What a “money grab!!!” Everyone knows that Sean Miller and his staff are compensated by magical unicorn turds. NO ONE should ever have to pay extra for anything to be good. It should just happen because Xavier as a private institution is just granted things by Devine Providence!!
That’s how this works right?
If you don’t like it, you can always just not renew tickets. I think there will be plenty of people who will be happy to take your place.

As long as these fans aren’t the real loyal ones…like the ones who sold their tickets to all the Hoosier fans. Capitalism at its finest.

[bjf123]

Nah, surely you jest.

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[Xville]

As long as these fans aren’t the real loyal ones…like the ones who sold their tickets to all the Hoosier fans. Capitalism at its finest.

yeah no shit. That was an embarrassment.

[Xville]

Yup.

Awwwwwwww. Some people are going to be going through a “minor inconvenience” by having to move. Guess what? Get over it.
And wow! What a “money grab!!!” Everyone knows that Sean Miller and his staff are compensated by magical unicorn turds. NO ONE should ever have to pay extra for anything to be good. It should just happen because Xavier as a private institution is just granted things by Devine Providence!!
That’s how this works right?
If you don’t like it, you can always just not renew tickets. I think there will be plenty of people who will be happy to take your place.

something we actually agree on. I just wish they would also add seats in the place at the same time because i think the fans would support it.

[bjf123]

When they did this the last time, the AD came to my office and told me straight out that this wouldn't happen again. He also told me that it wasn't just a pure money grab, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised when he says something that turns out not to be true.

Call him on it. See what he says.

I checked and I’m number 837 out of 4174 for Musketeer Points. No clue what that means when it comes to renewing my seats in 2 years. I did end up having to move farther from the court last time we did this.


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[Xavier]

I don’t mind the money grab, like others said….Sean is expensive. It’s worth it. But I also get having to move kinda sucks. Part of the beauty of season tickets is building the relationships around you. Not a huge deal but easy for me to say as someone likely not to be affected

[WCWIII]

Call him on it. See what he says.

I checked and I’m number 837 out of 4174 for Musketeer Points. No clue what that means when it comes to renewing my seats in 2 years. I did end up having to move farther from the court last time we did this.

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No kidding, I am 836 out of 4174! Get to the back of the line buddy.

I've enjoyed my journey from next to the TV cameras in 212, behind the backboard in 102, top of 107 (Muskie!) from where I moved across the aisle to the last row of 109 (one row closer than the President's suite!) along with Sec 107 row D behind the team. This time, I expect I'll be able to pick on around day 10 not day 14 and use the next years afterwards trying to improve, but getting a different view of the arena each year.

[X-man]

Yup.

Awwwwwwww. Some people are going to be going through a “minor inconvenience” by having to move. Guess what? Get over it.
And wow! What a “money grab!!!” Everyone knows that Sean Miller and his staff are compensated by magical unicorn turds. NO ONE should ever have to pay extra for anything to be good. It should just happen because Xavier as a private institution is just granted things by Devine Providence!!
That’s how this works right?
If you don’t like it, you can always just not renew tickets. I think there will be plenty of people who will be happy to take your place.

As usual, MOR misses the point entirely. It would be nice if they could be honest about the need for more money driving the reseating. And not pretend that it won't happen again. It would be REALLY nice if some of the improvements include (1) a better sound system, (2) better food options, and (3) some LOCAL craft beer options. Cincinnati has some great craft beer producers, with one (Listermann) practically on campus. Why they can't get some of these beers into Cintas, and for less than $10 (PLEASE!) is one of life's great mysteries.

[xukeith]

much improved wifi would be ideal.

[Masterofreality]

As usual, MOR misses the point entirely. It would be nice if they could be honest about the need for more money driving the reseating. And not pretend that it won't happen again. It would be REALLY nice if some of the improvements include (1) a better sound system, (2) better food options, and (3) some LOCAL craft beer options. Cincinnati has some great craft beer producers, with one (Listermann) practically on campus. Why they can't get some of these beers into Cintas, and for less than $10 (PLEASE!) is one of life's great mysteries.

As usual you are dead wrong and naive.
Apparently you miss the point about money driving the quest for success. I’m sure that you always believe that Inflation never goes up and every politician who says he won’t raise taxes lies. If you do believe that then you have no business working for a university.
Did you really think that ticket prices would never go up in an 8% inflation environment? How about you agreeing to never have a pay increase? Are you honest about that??
Wah, wah, wah. You’re mad at Greg Christopher. Was Sean Miller coaching us when that little conversation took place. Things change.
What a ludicrous premise your post is.

[Masterofreality]

No kidding, I am 836 out of 4174! Get to the back of the line buddy.

I've enjoyed my journey from next to the TV cameras in 212, behind the backboard in 102, top of 107 (Muskie!) from where I moved across the aisle to the last row of 109 (one row closer than the President's suite!) along with Sec 107 row D behind the team. This time, I expect I'll be able to pick on around day 10 not day 14 and use the next years afterwards trying to improve, but getting a different view of the arena each year.

Wha??? Honestly WW! How are you that low??
When I see you on Saturday at Dana’s we’ll discuss these things, but you vs me doesn’t add up!

[nuts4xu]

Maybe there are heavy hitters lining up to get upgraded suites.

There isn't. They can afford to lose a few of those luxury boxes, because a few of them are unused every game.

[nuts4xu]

(3) some LOCAL craft beer options. Cincinnati has some great craft beer producers, with one (Listermann) practically on campus. Why they can't get some of these beers into Cintas, and for less than $10 (PLEASE!) is one of life's great mysteries.

Did you miss this part?
The Brew House: With community and gathering points in mind, the Brew House will add another dimension to Cintas Center. The Brew House will be an open-air bar on the main concourse with seating and standing room views of the court. This unique space will open up the overall Cintas Center concourse and modernize the feel of the arena.

My guess is they have a sizeable beer selection in an area that is called "The Brew House". I would be shocked if this area does not include Listerman as well.

If you want premium beer available in a venue like Cintas, you better expect to pay close to $10. Domestic beers are $8.00 a piece, do you expect a discount for premium beers? Or are you just listing your hopes and dreams?

I think Xavier will solve one of life's great mysteries with this redesign.

[nuts4xu]

Now I did notice that Duff's access would be available pregame for my section starting in 2024-25. Don't think that's currently a perk for my section.

Not that much of a perk, to be honest. They have overpriced food, and you get to hear Andy Mac talk before the game, but other than that, I don't see a ton of value.

[X-man]

Did you miss this part?
The Brew House: With community and gathering points in mind, the Brew House will add another dimension to Cintas Center. The Brew House will be an open-air bar on the main concourse with seating and standing room views of the court. This unique space will open up the overall Cintas Center concourse and modernize the feel of the arena.

My guess is they have a sizeable beer selection in an area that is called "The Brew House". I would be shocked if this area does not include Listerman as well.

If you want premium beer available in a venue like Cintas, you better expect to pay close to $10. Domestic beers are $8.00 a piece, do you expect a discount for premium beers? Or are you just listing your hopes and dreams?

I think Xavier will solve one of life's great mysteries with this redesign.

Local crafts average about $7 at the pubs that produce them. It would be nice if the Cintas price would be near that number. And I hope you're right about the Brew House having local beers like Listermann. But the fact that they have rarely shown up at D'Artgnan's Deck makes me skeptical.

[X-man]

As usual you are dead wrong and naive.
Apparently you miss the point about money driving the quest for success. I’m sure that you always believe that Inflation never goes up and every politician who says he won’t raise taxes lies. If you do believe that then you have no business working for a university.
Did you really think that ticket prices would never go up in an 8% inflation environment? How about you agreeing to never have a pay increase? Are you honest about that??
Wah, wah, wah. You’re mad at Greg Christopher. Was Sean Miller coaching us when that little conversation took place. Things change.
What a ludicrous premise your post is.

I believe that Mack was coach for the last reseat, and I have no idea what Sean is paid relative to Mack near the end of his contract. And if you read my post REALLY carefully, you might note that all I was saying is that they should simply state that they need more money and hence are raising prices. I, and I suspect many others, would vastly prefer to simply have a price increase rather than go through the whole reseat debacle as a cover for raising prices. It breaks up groups, particularly different groups that sit near each other and become friends. It basically sucks.

[Xville]

Local crafts average about $7 at the pubs that produce them. It would be nice if the Cintas price would be near that number. And I hope you're right about the Brew House having local beers like Listermann. But the fact that they have rarely shown up at D'Artgnan's Deck makes me skeptical.

So you expect local companies to make no money or even lose money due to having the added expense of serving drinks at Cintas center? Interesting

[STL_XUfan]

Did you miss this part?
The Brew House: With community and gathering points in mind, the Brew House will add another dimension to Cintas Center. The Brew House will be an open-air bar on the main concourse with seating and standing room views of the court. This unique space will open up the overall Cintas Center concourse and modernize the feel of the arena.

My guess is they have a sizeable beer selection in an area that is called "The Brew House". I would be shocked if this area does not include Listerman as well.

If you want premium beer available in a venue like Cintas, you better expect to pay close to $10. Domestic beers are $8.00 a piece, do you expect a discount for premium beers? Or are you just listing your hopes and dreams?

I think Xavier will solve one of life's great mysteries with this redesign.

When D'Artagnan's deck first opened, it had a great selection of rotating craft beers, many of them being local. However, the past two years the selection quickly turned into mass produced "craft" beers from AB, Sam Adams, etc. Hopefully with these renovations we will see more local beers.

As far as pricing, the beer pricing at Cintas is actually pretty fair when compared to most other venues. They also do $2 off all beers (so $7 craft beers) up to a half hour prior to tip.

[xeus]

I believe that Mack was coach for the last reseat, and I have no idea what Sean is paid relative to Mack near the end of his contract. And if you read my post REALLY carefully, you might note that all I was saying is that they should simply state that they need more money and hence are raising prices. I, and I suspect many others, would vastly prefer to simply have a price increase rather than go through the whole reseat debacle as a cover for raising prices. It breaks up groups, particularly different groups that sit near each other and become friends. It basically sucks.

Agree with x-man here. Most of the people I have talked to aren't mad about prices, or whining, or even contesting the reality that we have to constantly raise funds to maintain and grow the program that we all love so much.
However, I would like to see an option to pay a "seat retention fee" or something like that that would allow me to stay in my current seats. As an example, I would happily pay the equivalent of one year's seat license fee if I could stay in my seats rather than go through the whole ridiculous process again.

[Final4]

Agree with x-man here. Most of the people I have talked to aren't mad about prices, or whining, or even contesting the reality that we have to constantly raise funds to maintain and grow the program that we all love so much.
However, I would like to see an option to pay a "seat retention fee" or something like that that would allow me to stay in my current seats. As an example, I would happily pay the equivalent of one year's seat license fee if I could stay in my seats rather than go through the whole ridiculous process again.

I agree with this as well. In fact I fully expect my ticket prices to go up every year. I doubt that I will have to move with this new selection process but there will be people in our group who will be impacted. I think the vast majority of ticket holders feel this way.........MOR simply takes every opportunity to be condescending.

[94GRAD]

Here is the Devil's Advocate question, if you are one of the season ticket holders that are being displaced, wouldn't you want a chance to pick comparable seats especially if you are high on the All For One points list?

[bjf123]

No kidding, I am 836 out of 4174! Get to the back of the line buddy.

I've enjoyed my journey from next to the TV cameras in 212, behind the backboard in 102, top of 107 (Muskie!) from where I moved across the aisle to the last row of 109 (one row closer than the President's suite!) along with Sec 107 row D behind the team. This time, I expect I'll be able to pick on around day 10 not day 14 and use the next years afterwards trying to improve, but getting a different view of the arena each year.

Don’t take my seats right before me!


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[drudy23]

I'm 2,046 - screw this man. I'm going to end up back in the upper deck, and if that's the case, back to the couch for me.

[94GRAD]

I'm 171. If everyone could please post their seats so I won't not choose them, I would appreciate it. :laugh:

[muskiefan82]

I am 2,950. LOL. I feel the rafters coming....

[STL_XUfan]

I think anyone who cancelled their season tickets in the past 2 years should have their points reset to 0. My unfounded conspiracy theory is that the reseat is happening in part because a lot of the people who cancelled want to get back to where they were sitting.

[GoMuskies]

I think anyone who cancelled their season tickets in the past 2 years should have their points reset to 0. My unfounded conspiracy theory is that the reseat is happening in part because a lot of the people who cancelled want to get back to where they were sitting.

I don't know. Those folks might actually be heroes. If Xavier wasn't under financial pressure to do something about Travis, are we sure they would have?

[bleedXblue]

I like some of the changes and we do need some upgrades and renovation for sure.

1. Xavier continues to invest in the program- significantly
2. We have a big time coach and with that comes a big salary
3. Wins and success are way more important than my seat getting moved a few rows
4. Welcome to big time college athletics
5. If money is an issue, there are plenty of cheap seats in the upper section

[noteggs]

It’s just nice see projects continue to happen. Yes an inconvenience for some. If we continued on last year’s path, not sure some of it would be possible. Heck they were even selling mini packs in the lower bowl last year. So don’t think many (if any), will be pushed to the upper bowl.

[94GRAD]

It’s just nice see projects continue to happen. Yes an inconvenience for some. If we continued on last year’s path, not sure some of it would be possible. Heck they were even selling mini packs in the lower bowl last year. So don’t think many (if any), will be pushed to the upper bowl.

The whole lower bowl was sold out this year with full-season tickets

[X-man]

I think anyone who cancelled their season tickets in the past 2 years should have their points reset to 0. My unfounded conspiracy theory is that the reseat is happening in part because a lot of the people who cancelled want to get back to where they were sitting.

So should people who sold their seats to IU fans for that game we played.

[Masterofreality]

I believe that Mack was coach for the last reseat, and I have no idea what Sean is paid relative to Mack near the end of his contract. And if you read my post REALLY carefully, you might note that all I was saying is that they should simply state that they need more money and hence are raising prices. I, and I suspect many others, would vastly prefer to simply have a price increase rather than go through the whole reseat debacle as a cover for raising prices. It breaks up groups, particularly different groups that sit near each other and become friends. It basically sucks.

Oh, I read it. Why should they tell you anything like that? What does it matter except to satisfy your curiosity? Anyone should just assume that EVERYTHING takes and needs more money in an Inflationary economy. And X is a private school so money is always a factor. If you want to sit near the same people, you can coordinate that.
All of this stuff is a red herring for not wanting to pay more for a better product. Doesn’t work that way.

[drudy23]

Is it safe to assume the general availability of seats when we picked last time would be available to us this time? Or am I thinking about this wrong?

When I picked last time, there was plenty of lower level seats available. Now, more season tickets have been sold since then, but those people should have less points, right? Right?

[Masterofreality]

I agree with this as well. In fact I fully expect my ticket prices to go up every year. I doubt that I will have to move with this new selection process but there will be people in our group who will be impacted. I think the vast majority of ticket holders feel this way.........MOR simply takes every opportunity to be condescending.

BS. X Man bitched about price increases and that he “wasn’t told or told something else”.
Ok 6th grader. Sorry your feelings were hurt. And if that is “condescending” so be it. The bitching brings it upon himself.
If you don’t like it, drop your tickets or coordinate with people you want to sit with. The ticket office will work with you. Simple solution.
And the end of this is that you are missing the point. This is not only a price increase thing, this is a building renovation that will require changes. Stop with the “price increases” in a vacuum of the overall facts.

[noteggs]

The whole lower bowl was sold out this year with full-season tickets

Yes it was.

Just trying to alleviate some stress from those who are in 2,000 in points.

Also making a point we heading in much better direction. In many ways

[xeus]

BS. X Man bitched about price increases and that he “wasn’t told or told something else”.
Ok 6th grader. Sorry your feelings were hurt. And if that is “condescending” so be it. The bitching brings it upon himself.
If you don’t like it, drop your tickets or coordinate with people you want to sit with. The ticket office will work with you. Simple solution.
And the end of this is that you are missing the point. This is not only a price increase thing, this is a building renovation that will require changes. Stop with the “price increases” in a vacuum of the overall facts.

Why do you have to be so angry all the time? Geez. It's not healthy.

Most people are not complaining about price increases MOR. Most people are primarily annoyed with the seat reassignment process. Some people, including me, think reseating 8,000 people is not the only way to manage this needed injection of cash into the program, and that there might be other, less intrusive means of accomplishing the same revenue targets.

[Final4]

BS. X Man bitched about price increases and that he “wasn’t told or told something else”.
Ok 6th grader. Sorry your feelings were hurt. And if that is “condescending” so be it. The bitching brings it upon himself.
If you don’t like it, drop your tickets or coordinate with people you want to sit with. The ticket office will work with you. Simple solution.
And the end of this is that you are missing the point. This is not only a price increase thing, this is a building renovation that will require changes. Stop with the “price increases” in a vacuum of the overall facts.


Do you REALLY want to engage me again? The last several times you've done that you ended up looking like a dolt.

[X-band '01]

I'm #2396 out of 4174, which is not bad considering this is the first season I've had tickets in 108. We'll see what happens in a couple of years, but right now I do have every intention of reupping for the 2023-24 season.

[X-man]

Why do you have to be so angry all the time? Geez. It's not healthy.

Most people are not complaining about price increases MOR. Most people are primarily annoyed with the seat reassignment process. Some people, including me, think reseating 8,000 people is not the only way to manage this needed injection of cash into the program, and that there might be other, less intrusive means of accomplishing the same revenue targets.

MOR doesn’t deal with reality. Sad.

[Masterofreality]

Why do you have to be so angry all the time? Geez. It's not healthy.

Most people are not complaining about price increases MOR. Most people are primarily annoyed with the seat reassignment process. Some people, including me, think reseating 8,000 people is not the only way to manage this needed injection of cash into the program, and that there might be other, less intrusive means of accomplishing the same revenue targets.

I am not angry at the process or really anything Xeus.
I’m angry at people who claim that “Greg Christopher told me this..and promised me this” without thinking for themselves that it cannot be the case.
If you are changing parameters of the building, people will have to be reseated. There is no other way and if there is then you tell me how?
And you know what? The ones who do support the program the most SHOULD get priority on where they go. They have earned the perk.
Success takes money. Sorry about people being butthurt, but my experience is that the Xavier ticket folks have always been accommodating.
Instead of bitching on a message board, simply make a call and have a conversation, and, hopefully, up their level of giving.

[Masterofreality]

MOR doesn’t deal with reality. Sad.

Instead of complaining that “Wah, Greg told me this” (doubtful) and “There won’t be another price increase” (doubtful) , how about realizing the [B] “reality”[\B] that college sports success costs money, that conditions and tastes change, and to play you have to pay? You should hear what happens to boosters at major football schools when there are going to be upgrades. This is chicken feed compared to that.
If you don’t like it, change seats to a cheaper alternative, suck up the price increase, have a conversation about relocating “en masse” with your seat friends, or just drop altogether?
Methinks your obvious dislike for me is coloring your attitude. That is pretty damn unhealthy.

[xavierj]

I am not angry at the process or really anything Xeus.
I’m angry at people who claim that “Greg Christopher told me this..and promised me this” without thinking for themselves that it cannot be the case.
If you are changing parameters of the building, people will have to be reseated. There is no other way and if there is then you tell me how?
And you know what? The ones who do support the program the most SHOULD get priority on where they go. They have earned the perk.
Success takes money. Sorry about people being butthurt, but my experience is that the Xavier ticket folks have always been accommodating.
Instead of bitching on a message board, simply make a call and have a conversation, and, hopefully, up their level of giving.

This is all true. If Xavier wants to stay competitive and get to where they want to go they have to do what they have to do. You can’t please everyone.

[Xville]

I am not angry at the process or really anything Xeus.
I’m angry at people who claim that “Greg Christopher told me this..and promised me this” without thinking for themselves that it cannot be the case.
If you are changing parameters of the building, people will have to be reseated. There is no other way and if there is then you tell me how?
And you know what? The ones who do support the program the most SHOULD get priority on where they go. They have earned the perk.
Success takes money. Sorry about people being butthurt, but my experience is that the Xavier ticket folks have always been accommodating.
Instead of bitching on a message board, simply make a call and have a conversation, and, hopefully, up their level of giving.

“Giving more” does not fulfill the problem that people have with changing seats. Geezus it’s like you don’t even bother to read others opinions or feelings. Shocking.

Not a season ticket holder for x but I am for Louisville football and I get the sentiment that some have on here with wanting to keep their group together.

And I mean bitch and whine? This is a message board right? That’s basically all we do around here. You do it daily on the political thread. Maybe call your congressman instead of posting on the thread.

[X-man]

Instead of complaining that “Wah, Greg told me this” (doubtful) and “There won’t be another price increase” (doubtful) , how about realizing the [B] “reality”[\B] that college sports success costs money, that conditions and tastes change, and to play you have to pay? You should hear what happens to boosters at major football schools when there are going to be upgrades. This is chicken feed compared to that.
If you don’t like it, change seats to a cheaper alternative, suck up the price increase, have a conversation about relocating “en masse” with your seat friends, or just drop altogether?
Methinks your obvious dislike for me is coloring your attitude. That is pretty damn unhealthy.

Methinks you're exhibiting, with the first line of your post, your typical mindset that anything someone says that you don't like or disagree with must be a lie. Just accept the fact that our AD lied to me, and apparently at least one other poster, during the last reseating. And I guess that you don't have season tickets. Or if you do, you don't sit with friends. You have no idea how difficult to impossible it is to simply move "en masse" (as you say) to keep a group together. It would be so much simpler for us all if they simply raised ticket prices or seat premiums instead of forcing the reseat.

[Masterofreality]

Methinks you're exhibiting, with the first line of your post, your typical mindset that anything someone says that you don't like or disagree with must be a lie. Just accept the fact that our AD lied to me, and apparently at least one other poster, during the last reseating. And I guess that you don't have season tickets. Or if you do, you don't sit with friends. You have no idea how difficult to impossible it is to simply move "en masse" (as you say) to keep a group together. It would be so much simpler for us all if they simply raised ticket prices or seat premiums instead of forcing the reseat.

I have 3, soon to have 4 season tickets so “youthinks” wrong. And we moved once with no problem. How do you think they can change the physical parameters of the building without reseating??? Please tell me how that happens?
Huh? Greg Christopher “lied” to you? Or do you just remember what you hoped to hear and remember?
No one in that position would “never say never”. Sorry you can’t accept change.

[X-man]

I have 3, soon to have 4 season tickets so “youthinks” wrong. And we moved once with no problem. How do you think they can change the physical parameters of the building without reseating??? Please tell me how that happens?
Huh? Greg Christopher “lied” to you? Or do you just remember what you hoped to hear and remember?
No one in that position would “never say never”. Sorry you can’t accept change.

I rest my case. When I had to reseat, the large group of us who got tickets together in a very choice location when the Cintas opened (because most of were long time season ticket holders and major donors as well) were totally broken up. Only my three seats were intact, but in an inferior location to what we had. I "accept" the change, but ain't happy with it.

[Masterofreality]

I rest my case. When I had to reseat, the large group of us who got tickets together in a very choice location when the Cintas opened (because most of were long time season ticket holders and major donors as well) were totally broken up. Only my three seats were intact, but in an inferior location to what we had. I "accept" the change, but ain't happy with it.

Well good. You are “resting” but proven nothing. But just keep accusing our AD of lying.
I guess you’ll keep whining while the rest of us enjoy a renovated, modernized Cintas Center that brings in more revenue.
Wherever I go with my tickets, I’m a happy guy with an exceptional coach who we can afford pay well and to keep.

[Masterofreality]

Do you REALLY want to engage me again? The last several times you've done that you ended up looking like a dolt.

Sure. The only dolt was you who was a Steele honk and apologist.
Let’s go down that road again, shall we?
Ya boi is doing great at Miami! Props to him and you!

[Final4]

Sure. The only dolt was you who was a Steele honk and apologist.
Let’s go down that road again, shall we?
Ya boi is doing great at Miami! Props to him and you!

I'm assuming, maybe incorrectly, that you're aware everything that is posted here becomes a matter of record. Can you go back and find something I posted that would suggest I am/was a Steele honk? Why do you continue to double down on stupid. Maybe sometimes it's just best to let it go and move on. And as far as reseating goes you have absolutely no idea how it works for groups. You have a couple of tickets in a non-preferred section.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Methinks you're exhibiting, with the first line of your post, your typical mindset that anything someone says that you don't like or disagree with must be a lie. Just accept the fact that our AD lied to me, and apparently at least one other poster, during the last reseating. And I guess that you don't have season tickets. Or if you do, you don't sit with friends. You have no idea how difficult to impossible it is to simply move "en masse" (as you say) to keep a group together. It would be so much simpler for us all if they simply raised ticket prices or seat premiums instead of forcing the reseat.

That would potentially screw the people losing their seats to the updates though right? It seems the seats are towards the back of the lower section if I am understanding correctly but that doesn't mean those people aren't big donors losing their seats. They may want to do less steps, or whatever other reason.

I get it sucks but if seats are being lost, going through the reseating process is the fairest and easiest way for Xavier not to screw over bigger donors. They will be towards the front of the line. And if you let everyone just pay more and keep their seats, people who lost their seats (who may have been towards the front of the line) would be out a lower level seat.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The other good thing is that there is literally not a bad seat in Cintas. I have had tickets upper and lower level and while I get the appeal of being on the lower level, the upper level seats are fantastic as well. One of the perks of Cintas not being too big.

I get that doesn't matter for people who's groups want lower level and may not b able to get it together again, but if your group is the most important thing to you, I am sure there will be opportunities for groups in the upper level.

[GoMuskies]

If Christopher really told people that this would never happen again, then he's an idiot and never should have done that. I'd be pissed if I had been lied to as well. I get that we need to do what we need to do to keep up with the competition, but Xavier should definitely be honest with people. Perhaps we have no plans to do that again would have been a better statement than flatly stating that it would never happen again, because you just never know.

[Masterofreality]

I'm assuming, maybe incorrectly, that you're aware everything that is posted here becomes a matter of record. Can you go back and find something I posted that would suggest I am/was a Steele honk? Why do you continue to double down on stupid. Maybe sometimes it's just best to let it go and move on. And as far as reseating goes you have absolutely no idea how it works for groups. You have a couple of tickets in a non-preferred section.

I have “soon” 4 tickets upgraded from 3 in a Seat License paid location.
You have zero idea what you are talking about. Just like, apparently your memory is shot.
You are the one who said it “didn’t go well”. Justify your position rather than just posting crap.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If Christopher really told people that this would never happen again, then he's an idiot and never should have done that. I'd be pissed if I had been lied to as well. I get that we need to do what we need to do to keep up with the competition, but Xavier should definitely be honest with people. Perhaps we have no plans to do that again would have been a better statement than flatly stating that it would never happen again, because you just never know.

I agree he is a moron if he said that. He would have had to be purposely lying because for the AD to never think that renovations would happen again at Cintas that may effect seating configuration would be totally moronic.

So if he did say it he was absolutely purposely lying. Shouldn't do that.

[Masterofreality]

If Christopher really told people that this would never happen again, then he's an idiot and never should have done that. I'd be pissed if I had been lied to as well. I get that we need to do what we need to do to keep up with the competition, but Xavier should definitely be honest with people. Perhaps we have no plans to do that again would have been a better statement than flatly stating that it would never happen again, because you just never know.

I’ll take “Things that Never Happened” for $500, Alex!!!

[zippin']

I'm somewhat curious if the conversations various posters had with GC were before or after the Sean hiring. I think it's pretty obvious why prices are going up.

[GoMuskies]

I'm somewhat curious if the conversations various posters had with GC were before or after the Sean hiring. I think it's pretty obvious why prices are going up.

I guess, but was Christopher having conversations with people under the assumption that we were just going to suck at basketball and never have to pay much money for a coach from there on out? That doesn't make much sense either.

[Xville]

No one has said Christopher told them they were never going to raise prices, they just said Christopher said they would never have to do the seat rearrangement seat again. Master of being a douche is getting his panties in a bunch like usual because he can’t accept that sometimes he doesn’t know what he is talking about, which is often. Somehow he believes people would just make that up for no reason.

[drudy23]

Good ole supply and demand.

[X-man]

I'm somewhat curious if the conversations various posters had with GC were before or after the Sean hiring. I think it's pretty obvious why prices are going up.

It was before the last reseating, when Mack was the coach. A group of about 10-15 of us got seats together when Cintas opened, and we were completely split up because of that first reseating. We all would have gladly paid higher seat premiums for the ability to stay together. That was not an option sadly.

[Final4]

No one has said Christopher told them they were never going to raise prices, they just said Christopher said they would never have to do the seat rearrangement seat again. Master of being a douche is getting his panties in a bunch like usual because he can’t accept that sometimes he doesn’t know what he is talking about, which is often. Somehow he believes people would just make that up for no reason.

Precisely. During my conversation with Greg a few years ago the subject of price increase never came up. We talked exclusively about the reseating process and he went into depth as to why it was necessary. If my memory serves me correctly they were replacing seats in the first few rows around the court. The new seats were larger than the original and consequently they lost some capacity in that area. More interesting (at least to me) was the issue that they had literally hundreds of single seats sprinkled throughout the lower bowl that were difficult, if not impossible, to sell. They were hopeful that with a more disciplined reseating process they could improve the effective density in the lower bowl. Now numerous people in numerous ways have told MOR that this was never about a price hike, but rather they were unhappy with the reseating process, and he STILL doubles down on stupid.

[nuts4xu]

I think some seats will need to be removed during the current renovation, which necessitates a reshuffling of seats. The seating capacity is set to decrease, but they just haven't said by how much. With the SRO tickets they sell, the removed seats will not result in overall lower attendance. I am fairly certain our largest crowds have come since the last renovation when seating capacity decreased from 10,500 to 10,250.

I get why some people would be upset about splitting up who they sit with, but I don't see why it matters a whole lot.

Sure it's nice to know the people around you, and you don't want to end up next to some dick head. But for the most part, people aren't going to be screwed over too badly. Like others have said, some folks actually end up with better seats, lower ticket prices, or liking the people around them better than who they sit next to right now.

Bunch of belly aching over nothing, if you ask me.

[bigdiggins]

I think some seats will need to be removed during the current renovation, which necessitates a reshuffling of seats. The seating capacity is set to decrease, but they just haven't said by how much. With the SRO tickets they sell, the removed seats will not result in overall lower attendance. I am fairly certain our largest crowds have come since the last renovation when seating capacity decreased from 10,500 to 10,250.

I get why some people would be upset about splitting up who they sit with, but I don't see why it matters a whole lot.

Sure it's nice to know the people around you, and you don't want to end up next to some dick head. But for the most part, people aren't going to be screwed over too badly. Like others have said, some folks actually end up with better seats, lower ticket prices, or liking the people around them better than who they sit next to right now.

Bunch of belly aching over nothing, if you ask me.

The irony of X-man and MOR ending up as seat neighbors after the reshuffle.

[Final4]

I think some seats will need to be removed during the current renovation, which necessitates a reshuffling of seats. The seating capacity is set to decrease, but they just haven't said by how much. With the SRO tickets they sell, the removed seats will not result in overall lower attendance. I am fairly certain our largest crowds have come since the last renovation when seating capacity decreased from 10,500 to 10,250.

I get why some people would be upset about splitting up who they sit with, but I don't see why it matters a whole lot.

Sure it's nice to know the people around you, and you don't want to end up next to some dick head. But for the most part, people aren't going to be screwed over too badly. Like others have said, some folks actually end up with better seats, lower ticket prices, or liking the people around them better than who they sit next to right now.

Bunch of belly aching over nothing, if you ask me.

Let me share our situation with you and maybe it provides a different perspective. We have six couples that sit together (used to be eight but we lost two during the last reseating process). We've sat together for over 30 years. We have six parking passes in the C2 lot that we value quite a bit. We have two options available to us. We could put all 12 seats in one persons name (obviously the one with the most points) but in doing so we would lose three parking passes and each individual would lose the accrual of points to their respective individual account. Or we could each "go it alone" like we did the last time. Point totals for each individual vary as you would expect. Day one Bill selects two seats. Day two Tim and Jerry select four seats total immediately adjacent to Bill. No one else in the group can select until day five. There is a very real possibility that on day five there aren't anymore seats adjacent to the six already selected. We're not sitting around people who we become "friends" with but rather sitting with relatives and children and old XU roommates. Maybe that's not a big deal to some but it is to us. MOR suggested that it's not a big deal and to contact the ticket office and they'll work with you........he has absolutely no idea how the process works.

[drudy23]

Let me share our situation with you and maybe it provides a different perspective. We have six couples that sit together (used to be eight but we lost two during the last reseating process). We've sat together for over 30 years. We have six parking passes in the C2 lot that we value quite a bit. We have two options available to us. We could put all 12 seats in one persons name (obviously the one with the most points) but in doing so we would lose three parking passes and each individual would lose the accrual of points to their respective individual account. Or we could each "go it alone" like we did the last time. Point totals for each individual vary as you would expect. Day one Bill selects two seats. Day two Tim and Jerry select four seats total immediately adjacent to Bill. No one else in the group can select until day five. There is a very real possibility that on day five there aren't anymore seats adjacent to the six already selected. We're not sitting around people who we become "friends" with but rather sitting with relatives and children and old XU roommates. Maybe that's not a big deal to some but it is to us. MOR suggested that it's not a big deal and to contact the ticket office and they'll work with you........he has absolutely no idea how the process works.

This is the situation most people are referring to. This does indeed suck. Alot of people make the decision to commit to season tickets with a bigger group (family/friends/both), and this process royally screws that up. As with most things, you enjoy it more with people with the same passion. Most people don't want to make new friends, they want to enjoy the games with the people they've always enjoyed the games with.

Now, in saying all that, most are likely still buying again anyway. But it does suck.

[Masterofreality]

Let me share our situation with you and maybe it provides a different perspective. We have six couples that sit together (used to be eight but we lost two during the last reseating process). We've sat together for over 30 years. We have six parking passes in the C2 lot that we value quite a bit. We have two options available to us. We could put all 12 seats in one persons name (obviously the one with the most points) but in doing so we would lose three parking passes and each individual would lose the accrual of points to their respective individual account. Or we could each "go it alone" like we did the last time. Point totals for each individual vary as you would expect. Day one Bill selects two seats. Day two Tim and Jerry select four seats total immediately adjacent to Bill. No one else in the group can select until day five. There is a very real possibility that on day five there aren't anymore seats adjacent to the six already selected. We're not sitting around people who we become "friends" with but rather sitting with relatives and children and old XU roommates. Maybe that's not a big deal to some but it is to us. MOR suggested that it's not a big deal and to contact the ticket office and they'll work with you........he has absolutely no idea how the process works.

First world problems.
Let everyone know how it works out.
And especially let us know if Greg Christopher lies personally to you.
Dr. Hanycz will take action I’m sure! He’ll be subjected to a Reflection Session!!!

[xeus]

The irony of X-man and MOR ending up as seat neighbors after the reshuffle.

Please let this happen. In Jesus name we pray.

[Masterofreality]

Please let this happen. In Jesus name we pray.

Hahaha!

[X-band '01]

Nah, I'd rather have seats behind the Master and Paul.

[paulxu]

Have only been to Cintas a few times over the years, and didn't pay a lot of attention to the particulars of the layout. Was just happy to be there.
Without season tickets, have no dog in the fight.
But I have a question for those who know the layout well and have tickets.
If tickets are available per your point totals, then one assumes the closer to the floor, the higher your points. In the video, it sounded like they were going to take a few of the last rows in the lower bowl to accommodate the renovation for change/expansion/etc of the suites and add some bar type areas.
Why wouldn't you only re-seat those people in those rows being removed, rather than everyone in front of them going down to the floor...who should be people with more points?

[nuts4xu]

Let me share our situation with you and maybe it provides a different perspective. We have six couples that sit together (used to be eight but we lost two during the last reseating process). We've sat together for over 30 years. We have six parking passes in the C2 lot that we value quite a bit. We have two options available to us. We could put all 12 seats in one persons name (obviously the one with the most points) but in doing so we would lose three parking passes and each individual would lose the accrual of points to their respective individual account. Or we could each "go it alone" like we did the last time. Point totals for each individual vary as you would expect. Day one Bill selects two seats. Day two Tim and Jerry select four seats total immediately adjacent to Bill. No one else in the group can select until day five. There is a very real possibility that on day five there aren't anymore seats adjacent to the six already selected. We're not sitting around people who we become "friends" with but rather sitting with relatives and children and old XU roommates. Maybe that's not a big deal to some but it is to us. MOR suggested that it's not a big deal and to contact the ticket office and they'll work with you........he has absolutely no idea how the process works.

Yeah I get it, and it does suck. But 12 people? That is a lot of folks. I am not here to tell you how to feel or what should make you upset, but do you really need all 12 of those people right next to you? You all go to the games, can't you just talk to your friends before the game, halftime, and afterwards?

If you go out to eat, it is a royal pain in the ass to sit 12 people at the same table. You can't have conversations with all 12 people, hell you can barely hear what people at the other end of the table are saying. I understand a group that size can keep the obnoxious dickhead away but how much socialization is really done during the actual basketball game? I suggest getting seats as close as you can to each other and gab it up at halftimes over a beer or a urinal.

I loved the group that sat around us when we were at Cincinnati Gardens. But the new group of people that sat next to us when Cintas opened, allowed me to meet my current wife.

I get your perspective, but at the end of the day, you are there to watch a basketball game with 10,225 of your closest friends. Some of your best friends and family will still be there, just not right next to you.

[Final4]

Yeah I get it, and it does suck. But 12 people? That is a lot of folks. I am not here to tell you how to feel or what should make you upset, but do you really need all 12 of those people right next to you? You all go to the games, can't you just talk to your friends before the game, halftime, and afterwards?

If you go out to eat, it is a royal pain in the ass to sit 12 people at the same table. You can't have conversations with all 12 people, hell you can barely hear what people at the other end of the table are saying. I understand a group that size can keep the obnoxious dickhead away but how much socialization is really done during the actual basketball game? I suggest getting seats as close as you can to each other and gab it up at halftimes over a beer or a urinal.

I loved the group that sat around us when we were at Cincinnati Gardens. But the new group of people that sat next to us when Cintas opened, allowed me to meet my current wife.

I get your perspective, but at the end of the day, you are there to watch a basketball game with 10,225 of your closest friends. Some of your best friends and family will still be there, just not right next to you.


I'd prefer it if my wife and sister-in-law were not around us but I really enjoy everyone else's company at the game.

[muskiefan82]

"allowed me to meet my current wife. "



I just find the characterization of her as your CURRENT wife instead of just "my wife" a little humorous. Thank you for the chuckle.

[STL_XUfan]

Have only been to Cintas a few times over the years, and didn't pay a lot of attention to the particulars of the layout. Was just happy to be there.
Without season tickets, have no dog in the fight.
But I have a question for those who know the layout well and have tickets.
If tickets are available per your point totals, then one assumes the closer to the floor, the higher your points. In the video, it sounded like they were going to take a few of the last rows in the lower bowl to accommodate the renovation for change/expansion/etc of the suites and add some bar type areas.
Why wouldn't you only re-seat those people in those rows being removed, rather than everyone in front of them going down to the floor...who should be people with more points?

It doesn't necessarily track like that. The points are amassed based on the number of years that you have bought tickets along with how much money you have donated in general. You also get credit for purchasing season tickets in other sports and buying Big East Tournament tickets. The policy is here: https://goxavier.com/documents/2023/2/13/Musketeer_Points_Update_2.11_for_Website.pdf

While generally the people closer to the floor have more point (since they are more expensive tickets with higher donation requirements), some people prefer to sit higher in lower bowl (Can stand without obstructing someone else's view, avoid having to climb more stairs, quicker trips to bathroom or beer lines). As far as reseating just those people, the issue is that there is no where to reseat them. With 8,500 of the 10,250 seats being season ticket holders, the only spot you could place them is at the back of the upper bowl.

My preference would be to avoid removing any seats so we do not have to reseat. Like many of the other posters we have a group of 12 stacked 4 wide across 3 rows, so trying to coordinate that will be a giant pain in the the ass. However, if seats are removed, the only fair way to deal with it is to reseat everyone.

[paulxu]

, some people prefer to sit higher in lower bowl (Can stand without obstructing someone else's view, avoid having to climb more stairs, quicker trips to bathroom or beer lines). As far as reseating just those people, the issue is that there is no where to reseat them. With 8,500 of the 10,250 seats being season ticket holders, the only spot you could place them is at the back of the upper bowl.

That makes some sense. Let's say you have some high point people, and they chose to sit right at the top of the lower bowl for beer/bathroom access.
They like their seats. Then X decides to renovate. They remove some of the top 2 rows (for example). Maybe a hundred or so seats are affected.
Within those hundred, there are some high point people. So...all 8,500 people have to reseat for those few people? Guess so.

[nickgyp]

I'd prefer it if my wife and sister-in-law were not around us but I really enjoy everyone else's company at the game.

Was this after, “Honey, if Xavier wins the coin flip, do you think they want to receive or kick off?”

[Masterofreality]

That makes some sense. Let's say you have some high point people, and they chose to sit right at the top of the lower bowl for beer/bathroom access.
They like their seats. Then X decides to renovate. They remove some of the top 2 rows (for example). Maybe a hundred or so seats are affected.
Within those hundred, there are some high point people. So...all 8,500 people have to reseat for those few people? Guess so.

No. Not everyone has to move.

[X-man]

No. Not everyone has to move.

Huh?? You mean there are season ticket holders who are exempt from the reseating process? Or are you just referring to those lucky enough to have their seats still available when their time slot comes up. Everyone I know who have season tickets had to move last time. It's likely only those in the first couple hundred in the queue can pick where they want including their own seats.

[nuts4xu]

Or are you just referring to those lucky enough to have their seats still available when their time slot comes up.

This was my experience last time around. I knew a few others who were fortunate enough to have their seats available during their time slot came up.

[Final4]

It doesn't necessarily track like that. The points are amassed based on the number of years that you have bought tickets along with how much money you have donated in general. You also get credit for purchasing season tickets in other sports and buying Big East Tournament tickets. The policy is here: https://goxavier.com/documents/2023/2/13/Musketeer_Points_Update_2.11_for_Website.pdf

While generally the people closer to the floor have more point (since they are more expensive tickets with higher donation requirements), some people prefer to sit higher in lower bowl (Can stand without obstructing someone else's view, avoid having to climb more stairs, quicker trips to bathroom or beer lines). As far as reseating just those people, the issue is that there is no where to reseat them. With 8,500 of the 10,250 seats being season ticket holders, the only spot you could place them is at the back of the upper bowl.

My preference would be to avoid removing any seats so we do not have to reseat. Like many of the other posters we have a group of 12 stacked 4 wide across 3 rows, so trying to coordinate that will be a giant pain in the the ass. However, if seats are removed, the only fair way to deal with it is to reseat everyone.

I'm not so sure about that. Clearly the number of people impacted is a major variable but I'm going to guess and say its 20 to 30. The university controls quite a few tickets that could accommodate this group. Be creative......give them preferred parking passes for a couple of years, reduce or eliminate their seat license fee for a few years, etc. Carve two seats out of the block that's given to the coaches families. Take a few more from the block controlled by the development office. Take several from section 103 and the floor seats in front of that section that are controlled by the team (for players families, recruits, etc). Take CJ Anderson's free seat on the floor. Hell put them all in one of the luxury suites for a season or two......I think there are several that aren't under contract.

[Masterofreality]

Huh?? You mean there are season ticket holders who are exempt from the reseating process? Or are you just referring to those lucky enough to have their seats still available when their time slot comes up. Everyone I know who have season tickets had to move last time. It's likely only those in the first couple hundred in the queue can pick where they want including their own seats.

Incorrect

[X-man]

Incorrect

Explain, please.

[Masterofreality]

Talk to Xavier Tickets.
You don’t like what I say anyway.
Done with this stupid thread.

[coasterville95]

Dog in fight rank: 1,175 for what it's worth.

As I recall, the last go around on the seating carousel I wound up within a row of my former seat. I'm not too worried about this one. For one, most of the seat loss is in the form of 6 suites, about 23 seats out of Lookout, and maybe a row or two out of the back of 108, 110, and 112 to add a cut behind those seats to get from the concourse to the aisles on either side of 110. (Those stairs down from the concourse are also being removed for the Center Court Club) . Except, in looking at the artists renderings - It looks like people are sitting all the way up against the front of the center court club. If that is the case I feel bad for those in 110 that will have to cross through an entire section to get in and out. Talk about an undue inconvenience, and those are prime high dollar seats. (Not to mention the aisles between 108/106 and 112/114 getting crowded having to handle another section of traffic.)

The way I see it, the seat loss from 6 suites will be absorbed partly by just removing unsold suites from inventory, otherwise I see t hem going to the Center Court Club, along with those from the lost Lookout seats. These are people that want whole game hospitality areas, and may not want general grandstand seating. So maybe 60-120 seats if the back of 108,110 and 112 go bye bye.

In terms of craft beer - yeah $10 is steep, but have you gotten a beer at the Reds or Bengals or FC Cincy. Last fall I had a Turth at Paul Brown and it was $13, I want to say the Red's are similar. So if that beer goes for $7 in the brewery taproom, you don't expect the usual sports venue gouge? What's more criminal in my mind are the $8 "souvenir" Pepsis at Cintas - yeah they are $10 at FC Cincy, but at least you get refills at FCC (and if you are less than honest, you could drink pop all season at FCC for $10) Anyway, I think the small pop at Cintas is $6 so of course beer has to be higher than that, so $8 for domestic, $9-$10 for premium. Beer is the better way to go for being closer to retail price. Duff's keeps getting stingier on us, this year the buffet is just the feature of the day, a side, and maybe a salad - where in years past it had that plus hot dogs, veggie burgers, chicken tenders, mac and cheese, pretzel sticks and saratogas. The price did not come down any when over half the items dissapeared. The way I look at that one is the included beer is an $8 value, so that makes then sandwich, side and salad $7 - as I am buying the beer anyway. If you look at it like that its actually a decent value. They keep putting less and less tables in there, they removed the courtesy popcorn, the plates keep getting smaller. Even Andy Mac has called them out on the lack of seats for people.

Lastly, as you may recall season ticket prices have not gone up for awhile either due to lost COVID seasons, them not wanting to ask for more money during COVID, and after a few dismal Steele seasons where they were just hoping people would renew. Then again I'm in the YELLOW zone on the map - In my case the "cash grab" is $50 more this season and $50 more next season per seat. I recall when the premium seats were on contracts - they had an escalator where the price increases were built in. - Also in reviewing my Points statement - it looks like there was a very easy 10 point grab if you didn't take a refund in the season lost to COVID - and that includes electing to take it as a credit towards your 21-22 seats "the rollover" - which does make it a pure point grab.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Have only been to Cintas a few times over the years, and didn't pay a lot of attention to the particulars of the layout. Was just happy to be there.
Without season tickets, have no dog in the fight.
But I have a question for those who know the layout well and have tickets.
If tickets are available per your point totals, then one assumes the closer to the floor, the higher your points. In the video, it sounded like they were going to take a few of the last rows in the lower bowl to accommodate the renovation for change/expansion/etc of the suites and add some bar type areas.
Why wouldn't you only re-seat those people in those rows being removed, rather than everyone in front of them going down to the floor...who should be people with more points?

People with a lot of points could be people in those rows who, for whatever reason, choose to sit in those rows. Less steps, liking to stand in last row, whatever.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Let me share our situation with you and maybe it provides a different perspective. We have six couples that sit together (used to be eight but we lost two during the last reseating process). We've sat together for over 30 years. We have six parking passes in the C2 lot that we value quite a bit. We have two options available to us. We could put all 12 seats in one persons name (obviously the one with the most points) but in doing so we would lose three parking passes and each individual would lose the accrual of points to their respective individual account. Or we could each "go it alone" like we did the last time. Point totals for each individual vary as you would expect. Day one Bill selects two seats. Day two Tim and Jerry select four seats total immediately adjacent to Bill. No one else in the group can select until day five. There is a very real possibility that on day five there aren't anymore seats adjacent to the six already selected. We're not sitting around people who we become "friends" with but rather sitting with relatives and children and old XU roommates. Maybe that's not a big deal to some but it is to us. MOR suggested that it's not a big deal and to contact the ticket office and they'll work with you........he has absolutely no idea how the process works.

I’m not saying it doesn’t suck, but you have to admit if the group you are with is the most important thing to you, you could certainly maintain your group while moving to the upper deck (or further back in upper deck) if it was necessary come reseating time.

So what you want is your group and your same or similar seats in terms of section closeness, etc.

There’s just no way you can eliminate some people seats and not do a seat re-selection. Again some of those people may be high on the points list and there would be nowhere to put them in the lower bowl based on all other seats already being season ticket holders. And they aren’t going to take seats from coaches wives, and former players or recruits or whatever.

[X-man]

Talk to Xavier Tickets.
You don’t like what I say anyway.
Done with this stupid thread.

Just an explanation of "incorrect" is what I'm asking. Please share if you know a way to opt out of the reseating process.

[bigdiggins]

Would be nice to be able to see a rankings of the points list. If I donated $1,000 to AFO does than move me up, 100 spots, 10 spots, no impact, etc? That being said I kept my seats last time so I'm not super concerned. Worst case, I wont be next to the 5 guys who spend most of the game going back and forth in and out of the aisle to get drinks.

[94GRAD]

Would be nice to be able to see a rankings of the points list. If I donated $1,000 to AFO does than move me up, 100 spots, 10 spots, no impact, etc?

Every $100 you donate, you receive 3 points

[X-man]

Would be nice to be able to see a rankings of the points list. If I donated $1,000 to AFO does than move me up, 100 spots, 10 spots, no impact, etc? That being said I kept my seats last time so I'm not super concerned. Worst case, I wont be next to the 5 guys who spend most of the game going back and forth in and out of the aisle to get drinks.

Unfortunately, the impact of a higher donation on where you are in the queue also depends upon what others in the queue are doing with their donation level. It's a classic "prisoner's dilemma" scenario which the AD is exploiting.

[bjf123]

I seem to remember the last time this came up someone asked how much they’d need to donate to essentially guarantee they’d keep their seats. It was something like $7,500. I don’t think they did and ended up with seats not too far from what they had.


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[WCWIII]

Sorry long thread ... (suggest reading the pdf of the seat selection guide (https://goxavier.com/documents/2023/2/14/230214_Xavier_SeatSelectionGuide3.pdf) first). As you can tell, I looked into this quite a bit five years ago. Also, we don't really have to worry about this more than a year from now.

What matters is day of selection and that goes by points, but, more importantly, by the percentage ranking. Think handling 100-200 of the 4200 account holders per day. There are so many 5-10 minute new time picking windows that they can open up per day.

The secret is that points to percentage ranking is exponential ... so a small number of account holders (presumably those with four or more long term Front Line seats get first dibs). Or you can gift an exponential amount of money to move up in percentage point ranking (+5% is equivalent to picking about two days earlier). For 750 points to get into the Front Line area using a gift of 3 points/$100 donation, you could be a new ticket holder and donate $25K. Even if you are already at the 50% level, exponentially it's not much different and a donation would still be at the $23K level. If considering a gift at this level, please contact an AFO gift officer ... they may have options as some suggest.

It's not all bad given essentially every seat in Cintas is good. Last time at the end of Day 5 (estimate Day 5 pickers need to be at 600-800 points), there were very few front line seats, but even until Day 14 (estimate you need 80-150 points), there were row 1 orange and a fair smattering of green/grey center lower level including aisle seats, even front row in the mid-court uppers. The end of the following week (estimate you need 30 points/40th percentile) still had some lower availability in grey especially in 111, or aisle in 208, row 3 immediately behind the TV cameras in 212 ... all still good seats.

My own opinion is that since keeping one's current seats is important to a lot of people, as others have suggested, I think it would have been much better to open up the new seating areas and the next selection process: sure maybe the very top 5-10% get dibs to change seats, but then mix in with next level high priority group those displaced as there are really not that many of them.

What I think is a bit unfair is that some existing ticket holders will plan to increase donations by a couple $1K thinking they will have much better seats available ... it's true, but not that true given this exponential stuff. It might help ensure you are picking within the first three weeks, but maybe you are already there. By all means, be as generous as you can with donations to Xavier athletics - it brings much joy (and occasional angst) to many of us, connects us to the good of Xavier, and all the support is needed to continue to be among the top national programs, which is what most of us want. It just won't substantially change much the view from your seat (which is pretty good regardless).

[bjf123]

Here’s the really important question. Where will Joe and Byron be seated for their radio broadcast? Looks like that spot disappears for the Center Court Club.


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[Caveat]

I just want to keep a seat on the aisle. I’m flexible where.

[bjf123]

I just want to keep a seat on the aisle. I’m flexible where.

You and me both!


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[noteggs]

Here’s the really important question. Where will Joe and Byron be seated for their radio broadcast? Looks like that spot disappears for the Center Court Club.


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Thought they did the broadcast on the other side (suite) of the court?

[STL_XUfan]

Thought they did the broadcast on the other side (suite) of the court?
They do, and that area is being ripped out for the new center court club/beer garden.

[Final4]

I’m not saying it doesn’t suck, but you have to admit if the group you are with is the most important thing to you, you could certainly maintain your group while moving to the upper deck (or further back in upper deck) if it was necessary come reseating time.

So what you want is your group and your same or similar seats in terms of section closeness, etc.

There’s just no way you can eliminate some people seats and not do a seat re-selection. Again some of those people may be high on the points list and there would be nowhere to put them in the lower bowl based on all other seats already being season ticket holders. And they aren’t going to take seats from coaches wives, and former players or recruits or whatever.

At the expense of sounding pretentious, the upper bowl is simply not an option for us.

And I think we'll have to agree to disagree on your last paragraph. I think they could accommodate the misplaced seat holders by moving them throughout the lower bowl in university controlled tickets including empty suites. Seems there are always a few empty seats in the coaches family block in 106. And have you noticed how many give aways are provided for folks on the floor in front of 101 and 102. Plus if necessary go back to some of the corporate accounts with blocks in sections 107 to 112 and see if some would consider reducing from 8 to 6 (as an example). Quite a few of these seats go unused anyway.

[STL_XUfan]

At the expense of sounding pretentious, the upper bowl is simply not an option for us.


Being pretentious can be expensive. Figure out the disparity in points in your group of tickets and strategically increase your donations to get everyone on the same level so that your selection times are together. This is what we did last time, gifted some extra money to catch up with our seat mate to make sure we could pick at about the same time.

If you had a enough points last time to comfortably get lower bowl tickets, my guess is that you will once again be fine. If you were borderline, might be time to make some planned donations. What's the point of having being-pretentious-money if you don't occasionally throw it around. Maybe could even get your name on a plaque somewhere as a benefactor.

[Final4]

Being pretentious can be expensive. Figure out the disparity in points in your group of tickets and strategically increase your donations to get everyone on the same level so that your selection times are together. This is what we did last time, gifted some extra money to catch up with our seat mate to make sure we could pick at about the same time.

If you had a enough points last time to comfortably get lower bowl tickets, my guess is that you will once again be fine. If you were borderline, might be time to make some planned donations. What's the point of having being-pretentious-money if you don't occasionally throw it around. Maybe could even get your name on a plaque somewhere as a benefactor.

Our names already appear on a plaque. We were among the many who signed 7 year contracts back in 1998 (I believe) to facilitate the funding of Cintas. When you walk in the northeast entrance to Cintas our names are listed on the "wall of gratitude" to the right of the stairs. A few of us have had season tickets for 35 years. We had hoped that longevity, continuity and loyalty would be valued in the seat selection process. We're foolish.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Our names already appear on a plaque. We were among the many who signed 7 year contracts back in 1998 (I believe) to facilitate the funding of Cintas. When you walk in the northeast entrance to Cintas our names are listed on the "wall of gratitude" to the right of the stairs. A few of us have had season tickets for 35 years. We had hoped that longevity, continuity and loyalty would be valued in the seat selection process. We're foolish.

Time to pony up again…….there are always more plaques to be made.

[D-West & PO-Z]

At the expense of sounding pretentious, the upper bowl is simply not an option for us.



No issues with that, just acknowledge your biggest priority isn’t being with your group, it’s where your seats are. I think many on here probably feel the same or this whole group thing wouldn’t be an issue. Plenty of space for large groups up top.