Freemantle Hurt

[JTG]

Free is in a walking boot. Same foot that he injured before. This per a reliable source. That's all the details currently available.

[GoMuskies]

That's not ideal. I guess the extra few minutes Edwards got last game may become more regular for a bit.

[Xville]

That can’t be good… :(

[Xavier]

They put walking boots on for sprained ankles and such these days. Hoping it’s something along those lines.

[noteggs]

Guess I’ll tune into Sean’s show tonight

[zippin']

This SUCKS! Really hope it isn't too bad of an injury.

[xavierj]

Not sure if Zach had surgery last year but that is usually the end game if you keep getting stress fractures. My son had to end up getting surgery last February because he kept getting a stress fracture in the same spot. He had to sit out spring practice and it took until May until he could resume activities. If Zach just has a sore foot and X-rays show no line of a fracture he may be able to play through it but they usually get worse if you keep playing on it. I would think they would keep the boot on for two weeks and use bone stimulation therapy and see how the foot responds in two weeks and see if a true fracture shows or not at that point.

[drudy23]

Free hasn't seemed to have any lingering issues this year. He's been moving well all year - hopefully just a temporary setback.

[Masterofreality]

Guess I’ll tune into Sean’s show tonight

Not a word about Free spoken.


Not sure if Zach had surgery last year but that is usually the end game if you keep getting stress fractures. My son had to end up getting surgery last February because he kept getting a stress fracture in the same spot. He had to sit out spring practice and it took until May until he could resume activities. If Zach just has a sore foot and X-rays show no line of a fracture he may be able to play through it but they usually get worse if you keep playing on it. I would think they would keep the boot on for two weeks and use bone stimulation therapy and see how the foot responds in two weeks and see if a true fracture shows or not at that point.

Zach did have surgery last year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yikes.

Although I will say that whoever mentioned walking boots being used for non serious issues (at least non major issues) is true. Let's hope that is it.

[xavierj]

Yikes.

Although I will say that whoever mentioned walking boots being used for non serious issues (at least non major issues) is true. Let's hope that is it.

Could just be precautionary if he is sore and they just want to take pressure off the foot, but we won’t know until game time Wednesday.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I just heard from someone (I can't vouch for the accuracy) that it is stress fracture with no timeframe for return.

Also heard the question was not allowed to be asked during the radio show tonight.

[Xavier]

Would be a major bummer.

[xu82]

I just heard from someone (I can't vouch for the accuracy) that it is stress fracture with no timeframe for return.

Also heard the question was not allowed to be asked during the radio show tonight.

Big guys and feet can be particularly tricky. Hoping for the best.

[Xville]

Really hoping it’s not a stress fracture and just precautionary. If it’s a stress fracture, his season is likely over.

[SemajParlor]

I won't pretend to be a doctor nor do I know anything about the severity here. I do know Jones fractures have historically been a major problem for big men. Crossing my fingers.

[zippin']

This is horrible. Just a massive loss.

[OTRMUSKIE]

It not even official. I would hold judgment till there is report of this being true.

[X Factor]

It not even official. I would hold judgment till there is report of this being true.

It's true. Tovwhat extent is still unclear, but it doesn't sound good.
Feel terrible for Zach. He was having a GREAT year.

Huge blow to Xavier's chances at a BE Title and run in March.

[Xville]

This fucking sucks. He has to be incredibly pissed off.. was having a fantastic year, came back to play in the tourney and now who knows to what extent this will leave him out. Fuck

[xavierj]

This fucking sucks. He has to be incredibly pissed off.. was having a fantastic year, came back to play in the tourney and now who knows to what extent this will leave him out. Fuck

If it is a stress fracture he will be back for March. It would heal up in that time but would be smart to then have surgery after the season to reduce the risk of it keep happening. With a stress fracture you can play through it but it will hurt and get worse. Best to let it heal for a few weeks.

[drudy23]

If true, rest him up until the tourney. We've put ourselves in a position to weather the storm and still make the tournament.

Also provides a chance for someone to step up. You can't hide Miles and Edwards anymore - it's time to step up and give meaningful minutes. They don't have to replace Zach's production, but they do have to provide a balance for Nunge. Otherwise, Nunge is going to be worn out by March too.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If true, rest him up until the tourney. We've put ourselves in a position to weather the storm and still make the tournament.

Also provides a chance for someone to step up. You can't hide Miles and Edwards anymore - it's time to step up and give meaningful minutes. They don't have to replace Zach's production, but they do have to provide a balance for Nunge. Otherwise, Nunge is going to be worn out by March too.

Yep, hopefully Edwards rises to the challenge. Just play decent defense, rebound, and don't "take fucked up shots" or turn it over. Defense and rebound.

I could see this creating a few more mins for Kyky in the smaller lineups as well.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hunter's minutes are probably going to double. Was averaging 14.5, he needs to play at least 28 which is what Free was playing. Need him to play good defense without fouling.

Hopkins is going to be a load tomorrow.

Boum and Colby need to be alpha dogs going forward. This is an opportunity for the guys who already play a lot also, if not more so even than for those who will be thrust into action.

[Xville]

Everyone is going to have to step up a bit… kyky, craft, hunter, miles, Edwards are all going to have to pitch in and get it done!

[xu9697]

It seems like teams that go far in March face some sort of adversity. Well, here we are. I have said all year to my wife- Nunge/Boum/Jones have to stay healthy for this team to go far. Freemantle was a step below, and Kunkel another couple steps below. We need to find our "Brock Purdy" players now.

Obviously the tourney is the goal, but boy would it be nice to hang a Big East regular season championship banner. This makes that a heck of a lot tougher. I know Miller cannot work miracles, but really hoping his coaching acumen will allow us to continue on a very positive path. We do have a full week of practice NEXT week (no games during the week), so if we can survive this week and get the tough Ws with our main 6 and a little help, perhaps next week will be a great time to figure out who else can really jump in to help carry the load.

[GoMuskies]

Need full Ewing Theory in effect tomorrow night.

[Xavier]

How long was he out last year with the foot injury? For some reason I remember it wasn’t quite as long as expected. I know it all depends on the severity. But I was in the camp with Xville. A stress fracture this late in the season would likely take him out rest of year. I’d be happy if he could return for March

[xukeith]

I think Freemantle was not playing or practicing last year for 2 months. He came back and slowly played in December I believe.

[Xville]

yeah...im no doctor but in seeing others with this kind of injury (if thats what it is) this isn't a couple of weeks and he will be fine kind of thing. This is a 6-8 week thing, and then he would have to get up to game shape and speed. If its a stress fracture, hes probably done. This is all speculation though until we hear something, which who knows if we ever hear anything official other than he has an injury.

[IM4X]

It seems like teams that go far in March face some sort of adversity. Well, here we are. I have said all year to my wife- Nunge/Boum/Jones have to stay healthy for this team to go far. Freemantle was a step below, and Kunkel another couple steps below. We need to find our "Brock Purdy" players now.

Obviously the tourney is the goal, but boy would it be nice to hang a Big East regular season championship banner. This makes that a heck of a lot tougher. I know Miller cannot work miracles, but really hoping his coaching acumen will allow us to continue on a very positive path. We do have a full week of practice NEXT week (no games during the week), so if we can survive this week and get the tough Ws with our main 6 and a little help, perhaps next week will be a great time to figure out who else can really jump in to help carry the load.

In what way was Freemantle a step below those fellas? I love this entire team, but he has been even better than those three guys lately. Heck, he was the top scorer last game and dropped 30 in the Georgetown game. He has been and absolute stud and crucial to the success of this team this season. This is a capable group of players lead by a great coach. They may be able to find a way to get things done without Free, but it is going to be very difficult.

I feel awful for Zach. I hope his injury is not serious and he can heal and make it back before the tournament. Zach has given so much and has earned the right to play in an NCAA tournament.

[XUBison]

Everyone is going to have to step up a bit… kyky, craft, hunter, miles, Edwards are all going to have to pitch in and get it done!

Sans Hunter, there’s a reason these guys have been riding the pine… Oh boy.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

If true, rest him up until the tourney. We've put ourselves in a position to weather the storm and still make the tournament.

Also provides a chance for someone to step up. You can't hide Miles and Edwards anymore - it's time to step up and give meaningful minutes. They don't have to replace Zach's production, but they do have to provide a balance for Nunge. Otherwise, Nunge is going to be worn out by March too.

To your point, Nunge looks worn out now.

Today, after listening to Miller last night, I'm thinking our coach was, perhaps a bit coy on this issue. Speaking of Edwards, he said something along the lines of needing to get Edwards more minutes as the season progresses. Since Edwards will need to play more than he has so far, Weds. is an opportunity to break him into that at Cintas, rather than on the road. Hmmm.

I also expect Miles and Tandy to get some more P.T. if Free is unable to play. For certain, Colby, Hunter and Claude must step into the breach. It doesn't feel that way now, but maybe we will look back on this as a time when we made lemonade out of lemons.

[drudy23]

I think our bench guys are capable to get us to the home stretch. We might drop a couple games we might have won, but they're good enough to not drop off a cliff. I think...

[D-West & PO-Z]

In what way was Freemantle a step below those fellas? I love this entire team, but he has been even better than those three guys lately. Heck, he was the top scorer last game and dropped 30 in the Georgetown game. He has been and absolute stud and crucial to the success of this team this season. This is a capable group of players lead by a great coach. They may be able to find a way to get things done without Free, but it is going to be very difficult.

I feel awful for Zach. I hope his injury is not serious and he can heal and make it back before the tournament. Zach has give so much and has earned the right to play in an NCAA tournament.

Zach was playing lights out, no doubt, but I agree with xu9697, if i had to put those 4 in order of most important to the success of the team (or in other words who would hurt the most to lose to injury for this team) I would go:

1. Boum
2. Colby/Nunge
4. Freemantle

All 4 are crucial and it hurts to lose any of them. That would just be my opinion on the order though.

[D-West & PO-Z]

To your point, Nunge looks worn out now.

Today, after listening to Miller last night, I'm thinking our coach was, perhaps a bit coy on this issue. Speaking of Edwards, he said something along the lines of needing to get Edwards more minutes as the season progresses. Since Edwards will need to play more than he has so far, Weds. is an opportunity to break him into that at Cintas, rather than on the road. Hmmm.

I also expect Miles and Tandy to get some more P.T. if Free is unable to play. For certain, Colby, Hunter and Claude must step into the breach. It doesn't feel that way now, but maybe we will look back on this as a time when we made lemonade out of lemons.

I don't think we are going to see Miles unless there is major foul trouble or another injury in addition to Freemantle.

We were desperate for mins at the 4/5 in the Creighton game in the 1st half and Miles couldnt see a minute.

Maybe it was the matchup and maybe against another team he would have but I think its going to be primarily Nunge, Hunter, small ball, and then Edwards.

[Xavier]

I would say Boum/Colby then nunge/Freemantle about the same in terms of importance….but, the offense works so well because having both bigs being able to play in the paint creates match up problems among so many other things. I do think hunter can replace Freemantle more than he can replace nunge but it’s a huge blow.

Like others said, edwards has to step up. He showed flashes of offense last year. But really Colby/Claude will need to get to another level.

[xavierj]

I would say Boum/Colby then nunge/Freemantle about the same in terms of importance….but, the offense works so well because having both bigs being able to play in the paint creates match up problems among so many other things. I do think hunter can replace Freemantle more than he can replace nunge but it’s a huge blow.

Like others said, edwards has to step up. He showed flashes of offense last year. But really Colby/Claude will need to get to another level.

No one knows the extent of the injury so we are all speculating but i have seen many times guys step up and play loose when they know they will get more minutes and the coaches don’t have the luxury of pulling them for making a mistake. We saw it last year at Seton Hall when Edwards got extended minutes in the 2nd half and produced. If Free is out then guys will get more time to show what they can do to help. Time to grow up and play. All of the guys are on scholarship are talented or they wouldn’t be on scholarship.

[Xavgrad08]

Really hate this for Zach. He was having such a good year. I believe his surgery last year was performed by the NY knicks team dr. Wonder if they are getting second opinion, or don’t have a recovery timeline yet? Hope for the best, but depth is not this teams strength.

[IM4X]

Zach was playing lights out, no doubt, but I agree with xu9697, if i had to put those 4 in order of most important to the success of the team (or in other words who would hurt the most to lose to injury for this team) I would go:

1. Boum
2. Colby/Nunge
4. Freemantle

All 4 are crucial and it hurts to lose any of them. That would just be my opinion on the order though.


This stat might help people appreciate Zach a bit more:

Zach has been the high scorer in 6 of the last 10 games.

That is three times as many as any other X player during that period (Nunge and Boum each have two).

If after that stat, you still think he has been the fourth most valuable player, then I don’t know what to tell you. The kid has been a monster - his teammates are really going to have to elevate their game in order for X to keep things rolling.

Again, I love the other guys on the team and I think they are very capable of stepping up - kind of the way the team stepped up when Scruggs went down during the NIT. I am just stating facts when I say that X is losing the guy who has contributed the most points over the past 10 games and and losing him (for any amount of time) is a major loss in production. All remaining players will have to show up more consistently now in games and score more often. It can be done, but man, I can not disrespect Free by suggesting he has played below any other X player over that stretch. He’s just been awesome!

[noteggs]

I think our bench guys are capable to get us to the home stretch. We might drop a couple games we might have won, but they're good enough to not drop off a cliff. I think...

Agree 100%…maybe 99.4

[94GRAD]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/zach-freemantle-injury-xaviers-leading-rebounder-out-at-least-four-weeks-after-hurting-foot/

[GoMuskies]

Man, given the way it went, I sure wish Zach had skipped Saturday's game since he was already feeling the foot at UConn. Oh, well.

[Xville]

4 weeks sounds like if absolutely everything goes right. Hopefully he can get back in the 5th week which is the big east to at least get his legs under him a bit before the big tourney. Sucks! Depth is definitely going to be tested last 9 games

[noteggs]

On a small positive note, teams will have to prepare for us differently because they haven’t seen the future lineup.

Last year - thinking about relying on Hunter this year was unimaginable.

Now - send In Jerome!!!

[xu9697]

In what way was Freemantle a step below those fellas? I love this entire team, but he has been even better than those three guys lately. Heck, he was the top scorer last game and dropped 30 in the Georgetown game. He has been and absolute stud and crucial to the success of this team this season. This is a capable group of players lead by a great coach. They may be able to find a way to get things done without Free, but it is going to be very difficult.

I feel awful for Zach. I hope his injury is not serious and he can heal and make it back before the tournament. Zach has given so much and has earned the right to play in an NCAA tournament.

Losing Zach is huge- please don't misunderstand. But, without Boum...who gets Zach the ball, runs the offense for 30+ minutes, etc. I think we have seen, in a few games, what happens when Nunge is off the floor for a while. And with Jones...offense, defense, etc. Yes, no doubt, he runs hot and cold.

I also think it is matter of who is behind the guy- at least the 22-23 version of Hunter gives us a fighting chance at the 4. I don't see any 6-9 game replacement for Boum, Nunge and Jones.

[GoMuskies]

I'd like to see Tandy get some of these open minutes and kill it. Would be great to see that guy with 10 minutes a game hitting some jumpers instead of the 90 seconds he gets right now. Or at least I hope it would be great! Alternatively, would be good to see Kraft get back in the rotation with the free minutes and prove he belongs now. Whoever gets the additional minutes (in addition to Hunter and Claude who will obviously up their time) will have a great, 4 week long opportunity to prove they deserve to keep playing when Free comes back.

[Xavier]

I see edwards getting a little uptick. Then I see four guard line up with Colby playing the 4 a lot more. I’d be surprised if Kraft ends up seeing time. Kyky will get a little more because of the four guard line up I expect to see more often. I don’t see anyone else getting time (Kraft/miles/etc). Perfect world Zach is back for big East tournament. But at this point, unfortunately I’m not expecting him back this season.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Sucks.

Currently 17-5 with 9 games left + BET. Beat SJU at home, Butler twice, DePaul at home and either at Hall or home vs Nova. From there, if we go 1-1 in the BET, we're 23-10 and likely on the 5 or 6 line. Probably won't get Columbus for opening rounds, unfortunately, but we're dancing at full strength vs a wide open field this year.

Hopefully this forces some depth. Obviously Jerome's minutes go up significantly. Miles started 9 games last year when Free went down. He averaged 2.9 points and 3.1 rebounds over 15 minutes during that stretch, which included games against 3 eventual tournament teams and the Crosstown Shootout. Cesare has shown flashes. Tucker and Craft are unknowns. A 3-guard lineup with Kyky is possible but Sean would almost have to go zone, right?

Next man up!

[GoMuskies]

I see edwards getting a little uptick. Then I see four guard line up with Colby playing the 4 a lot more. I’d be surprised if Kraft ends up seeing time. Kyky will get a little more because of the four guard line up I expect to see more often. I don’t see anyone else getting time (Kraft/miles/etc). Perfect world Zach is back for big East tournament. But at this point, unfortunately I’m not expecting him back this season.

I think all those guys (probably not Miles) will get at least a small chance to contribute more. The one who steps up and grabs ahold of that opportunity will be the one getting the most minutes at the end of the four weeks. Hopefully SOMEONE plays well enough to jusify an increased role even after Free comes back (particularly since he's not likely to play 30 minutes in a game again this year).

[D-West & PO-Z]

This stat might help people appreciate Zach a bit more:

Zach has been the high scorer in 6 of the last 10 games.

That is three times as many as any other X player during that period (Nunge and Boum each have two).

If after that stat, you still think he has been the fourth most valuable player, then I don’t know what to tell you. The kid has been a monster - his teammates are really going to have to elevate their game in order for X to keep things rolling.

Again, I love the other guys on the team and I think they are very capable of stepping up - kind of the way the team stepped up when Scruggs went down during the NIT. I am just stating facts when I say that X is losing the guy who has contributed the most points over the past 10 games and and losing him (for any amount of time) is a major loss in production. All remaining players will have to show up more consistently now in games and score more often. It can be done, but man, I can not disrespect Free by suggesting he has played below any other X player over that stretch. He’s just been awesome!

I am not disrespecting him and he has been huge. I also am not disputing he has been one of (if not the best) players on the team this year. I am speaking strictly from a standpoint of what this team is able to try and do to replace players who would be injured. If Boum went down we'd have a lot harder time piecing together replacements imo. Boum is the most indispensable player on this roster.

None of them would be easy to replace, and no one will replace Freemantle. I just think it is lucky that our 6th man and the guy who will have to step up the most plays the same position as Freemantle. That lessens the blow at least a little bit in my mind.

[paulxu]

Freemantle recently hurt the same foot he had surgery on in the fall of 2021, when he underwent surgery for a stress reaction and was operated on by Dr. Mark Drakos, a doctor with the New York Knicks.

I need some surgery for my stress.

[xukeith]

Watched Miller's press conference. Seems like Miller is saying the right things. He looks incredibly stressed. As would i. X is now significantly hampered. Defensive rebounding and offensive rebounding is gigantic tomorrow night. We hope we are pleasantly surprised by this "new" look.

[HenryMuto]

Devastating

[SkyWalker]

This stat might help people appreciate Zach a bit more:

Zach has been the high scorer in 6 of the last 10 games.

That is three times as many as any other X player during that period (Nunge and Boum each have two).

If after that stat, you still think he has been the fourth most valuable player, then I don’t know what to tell you. The kid has been a monster - his teammates are really going to have to elevate their game in order for X to keep things rolling.

Again, I love the other guys on the team and I think they are very capable of stepping up - kind of the way the team stepped up when Scruggs went down during the NIT. I am just stating facts when I say that X is losing the guy who has contributed the most points over the past 10 games and and losing him (for any amount of time) is a major loss in production. All remaining players will have to show up more consistently now in games and score more often. It can be done, but man, I can not disrespect Free by suggesting he has played below any other X player over that stretch. He’s just been awesome!

Losing Zach's offense is BIG, but maybe we can bring out that top secret weapon that we been keeping hidden all season. DEFENSE!

[xuwillie]

Losing Zach's offense is BIG, but maybe we can bring out that top secret weapon that we been keeping hidden all season. DEFENSE!

Will be hard to do when our two worst defenders are kunkel and Boum.

[xukeith]

Losing Zach's offense is BIG, but maybe we can bring out that top secret weapon that we been keeping hidden all season. DEFENSE!

That would be quite ironic, poetic and needed.

[xavierj]

This stat might help people appreciate Zach a bit more:

Zach has been the high scorer in 6 of the last 10 games.

That is three times as many as any other X player during that period (Nunge and Boum each have two).

If after that stat, you still think he has been the fourth most valuable player, then I don’t know what to tell you. The kid has been a monster - his teammates are really going to have to elevate their game in order for X to keep things rolling.

Again, I love the other guys on the team and I think they are very capable of stepping up - kind of the way the team stepped up when Scruggs went down during the NIT. I am just stating facts when I say that X is losing the guy who has contributed the most points over the past 10 games and and losing him (for any amount of time) is a major loss in production. All remaining players will have to show up more consistently now in games and score more often. It can be done, but man, I can not disrespect Free by suggesting he has played below any other X player over that stretch. He’s just been awesome!

Agree Zach is a huge part of this team and he has been a big reason they are having the season they are. Having said that I think teams are more focused on stopping Souley because if he is comfortable they all get comfortable. My guess is the scouting reports all start with not giving him any space. Teams are really being aggressive with Souley lately. I think teams don’t put their best player on Zach and also target him when he is on defense. Either way losing Zach isn’t good but I think this team can overcome him not being out there.

[xukeith]

Wll NCAA Selection Committee evaluate X as team with and without Freemantle? In theory if say X loses 6 games between now and March and then Freemantle hops back on the team, will X be evaluated as the strong healthy "good ' that had strong resume prior to 1/30/23?

X could drop in BE to 5th/6th place in BE then in first week of March get Freemantle back and win 1st two BE matchups, lose in semi finals with a record of 25-9 regular season record. wins 2 BE games with Freemantle and goes from bubble to a 4 seed all based on Freemantle's foot?

[xavierj]

Wll NCAA Selection Committee evaluate X as team with and without Freemantle? In theory if say X loses 6 games between now and March and then Freemantle hops back on the team, will X be evaluated as the strong healthy "good ' that had strong resume prior to 1/30/23?

X could drop in BE to 5th/6th place in BE then in first week of March get Freemantle back and win 1st two BE matchups, lose in semi finals with a record of 25-9 regular season record. wins 2 BE games with Freemantle and goes from bubble to a 4 seed all based on Freemantle's foot?

Jeez X isn’t losing 6 more games. They are down 1 guy, not 3. They won’t drop to the bubble. Vegas still has them favored by 3 tomorrow. They are not dumb.

[XUBison]

Am I right that Jerome Hunter was the highest rated high school player on our roster? He’s been such a pleasant surprise this year, and now he has to be champing at the bit. Let’s go Jerome… Time to become an X legend!

[IM4X]

Losing Zach is huge- please don't misunderstand. But, without Boum...who gets Zach the ball, runs the offense for 30+ minutes, etc. I think we have seen, in a few games, what happens when Nunge is off the floor for a while. And with Jones...offense, defense, etc. Yes, no doubt, he runs hot and cold.

I also think it is matter of who is behind the guy- at least the 22-23 version of Hunter gives us a fighting chance at the 4. I don't see any 6-9 game replacement for Boum, Nunge and Jones.

We can all have a hypothetical debate about which X players are the most valuable or which ones we think would be the biggest loss for the team at this point of the season. We can even start ranking each player. The fact is that they are all very important to this team and no one will ever be able to prove they were right. It is something that simply no one can ever prove.

What I believe is provable is that Freemantle has been as valuable to this season’s team as Colby, Souley and Jack. After all he has done, I just do not see how Zach can be thought I’d as a level below those three.

I get how special Boum has been this year. How can anyone not see it? While Claude and Kunkel don’t offer all of the skills that Boum does, they would be capable of running the point. Heck, so could Colby. Would it be absolutely devastating to lose Boum? Hell yes. It would make it much harder to have a deep run for sure (he just offers so much), but who’s to say someone wouldn’t be able to step up and handle the point the way others would have to step up if Free can’t play in the NCAA tournament. Let’s remember that after Hunter, there is a pretty big drop off with the bigs.

Any one of those four players (Jones, Nunge, Free and Boum) would be a huge blow. Even losing Kunkel and Hunter (and to some extent Claude) would be brutal for this team. I think we all know what each player has meant to this team this season so far. Yet, it feels like some fans seem to be a little quicker to forget how often Freemantle has stepped up and how much he’s done for this team in games where others have struggles around him. He is arguable the most consistent player and like I said, he had been the high scorer for X in 6 of their past 10 games.

I think we are so fortunate to have such a balanced team, where any one of 6 players can step up and be “the guy” in a game. I just can not look at what Zach has done to contribute to this team and honestly suggest it had been at a level below Nunge, Boum, and Colby this season. Zach has consistently stepped up and delivered - he even received BE conference honors 5 times this season.

I love all of our players. We have great balance and many scoring options. The first 7 have all played a part in wins this season. It would suck to lose any one of them. We all know we don’t win unless we score a ton of points, because our defense is not that good. Zach has been the biggest scorer on offense over the past 10 games. He has also been the leading rebounder. Put it all together and it is clear Zach has been every bit as important as any of those three you put above him. It might be more comforting for fans to feel he is not. His stats prove otherwise.

[X-band '01]

Wll NCAA Selection Committee evaluate X as team with and without Freemantle? In theory if say X loses 6 games between now and March and then Freemantle hops back on the team, will X be evaluated as the strong healthy "good ' that had strong resume prior to 1/30/23?

X could drop in BE to 5th/6th place in BE then in first week of March get Freemantle back and win 1st two BE matchups, lose in semi finals with a record of 25-9 regular season record. wins 2 BE games with Freemantle and goes from bubble to a 4 seed all based on Freemantle's foot?

The Selection Committee would take the injury into consideration, but they wouldn't completely excuse losses without Freemantle. Now if he does NOT return this year, then the Committee has to re-evaluate Xavier without him in the lineup.

[IM4X]

I am not disrespecting him and he has been huge. I also am not disputing he has been one of (if not the best) players on the team this year. I am speaking strictly from a standpoint of what this team is able to try and do to replace players who would be injured. If Boum went down we'd have a lot harder time piecing together replacements imo. Boum is the most indispensable player on this roster.

None of them would be easy to replace, and no one will replace Freemantle. I just think it is lucky that our 6th man and the guy who will have to step up the most plays the same position as Freemantle. That lessens the blow at least a little bit in my mind.


I didn’t mean to suggest you were purposely disrespecting him. I do hear what you are saying. I just feel he has been much more valuable than he is being given credit.

Whether he would be the most devastating loss or the 4th most devastating loss is simply unprovable. It really is. We are all just talking like we know how the team will function without different important pieces. It’s pure speculation. The team might be able to keep playing tough without Freemantle, but they may also be able to do so without Jones or Nunge or Boum.

I can see a scenario where Claude could fill I for Boum, if he went down and then Colby and Adam could even help out if need be at the 1 spot. It would absolutely suck, but I could see how the team could make it work. Maybe it would cost X a deep run. I can also see a scenario where they can come together and make it work without Freemeantle, but then maybe they are unable to make up for his scoring or his rebounding. We just don’t know.

If I am Zach and I am reading this board, knowing I have been the top scorer 6 of the last 10 games and been the top rebounder and been given BE conference honors 5 times and I am still seeing people talk about me as the 4th most important option on the team, I know I’d feel a little disrespected. The other three you’ve put above him are special- don’t get me wrong. Zach has been even more special during 6 of the last 10 outings, though. I hate to see anyone get hurt and have to miss games. I know what the others three bring, but Zach’s stats say he is as devastating a loss as any of the X player and as they say… stats do not lie.

[IM4X]

Losing Zach's offense is BIG, but maybe we can bring out that top secret weapon that we been keeping hidden all season. DEFENSE!

Now that I can get behind.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I didn’t mean to suggest you were purposely disrespecting him. I do hear what you are saying. I just feel he has been much more valuable than he is being given credit.

Whether he would be the most devastating loss or the 4th most devastating loss is simply unprovable. It really is. We are all just talking like we know how the team will function without different important pieces. It’s pure speculation. The team might be able to keep playing tough without Freemantle, but they may also be able to do so without Jones or Nunge or Boum.

I can see a scenario where Claude could fill I for Boum, if he went down and then Colby and Adam could even help out if need be at the 1 spot. It would absolutely suck, but I could see how the team could make it work. Maybe it would cost X a deep run. I can also see a scenario where they can come together and make it work without Freemeantle, but then maybe they are unable to make up for his scoring or his rebounding. We just don’t know.

If I am Zach and I am reading this board, knowing I have been the top scorer 6 of the last 10 games and been the top rebounder and been given BE conference honors 5 times and I am still seeing people talk about me as the 4th most important option on the team, I know I’d feel a little disrespected. The other three you’ve put above him are special- don’t get me wrong. Zach has been even more special during 6 of the last 10 outings, though. I hate to see anyone get hurt and have to miss games. I know what the others three bring, but Zach’s stats say he is as devastating a loss as any of the X player and as they say… stats do not lie.

I think the part you are missing is no one is saying that Freemantle is a level below those guys in terms of production, or points scored, or performance this year. We strictly rank him below those others due to the circumstances of the make up of the team. That is it. If our 6th man was a really solid PG off the bench instead of a PF, I'd rank Boum 4 and he is one of the frontrunners for BE POY.

Nothing at all do to performance this season.

But you are correct, its all a matter of opinion.

[IM4X]

Agree Zach is a huge part of this team and he has been a big reason they are having the season they are. Having said that I think teams are more focused on stopping Souley because if he is comfortable they all get comfortable. My guess is the scouting reports all start with not giving him any space. Teams are really being aggressive with Souley lately. I think teams donÂ’t put their best player on Zach and also target him when he is on defense. Either way losing Zach isnÂ’t good but I think this team can overcome him not being out there.

The fact remains that Free has delivered time and time again for the team. He has rarely squandered opportunities on offense. I love Nunge and appreciate what his size and skill set allows us to do inside, but I am equally appreciative of the skill set and how he has delivered both in terms of points and rebounds. I would even go so far as to say, Zach has been a little more efficient on offense than Jack lately. While I have complete confidence that Zach will elevate his game to a very high level moving forward, I still canÂ’t help but think how vulnerable we will be without Zach and how much more firepower we will need to see from his teammates.

I like that Sean was open and transparent about needing a new plan for Boum with all of the additional attention heÂ’s been getting. The thing I donÂ’t get: if opponents are starting to cover Souley more aggressively, then one of his teammates should be a little more open. We are a very balanced team with lots of talented options. We should be able to take advantage of the situation when opponents start giving extra attention to Boum.

[xavierj]

The fact remains that Free has delivered time and time again for the team. He has rarely squandered opportunities on offense. I love Nunge and appreciate what his size and skill set allows us to do inside, but I am equally appreciative of the skill set and how he has delivered both in terms of points and rebounds. I would even go so far as to say, Zach has been a little more efficient on offense than Jack lately. While I have complete confidence that Zach will elevate his game to a very high level moving forward, I still canÂ’t help but think how vulnerable we will be without Zach and how much more firepower we will need to see from his teammates.

I like that Sean was open and transparent about needing a new plan for Boum with all of the additional attention heÂ’s been getting. The thing I donÂ’t get: if opponents are starting to cover Souley more aggressively, then one of his teammates should be a little more open. We are a very balanced team with lots of talented options. We should be able to take advantage of the situation when opponents start giving extra attention to Boum.

I agree that Zach is having a great year but you can look at four of Xavier’s best wins this year where Zach played fewer minutes and didn’t produce a ton in those games. The games against West Virginia, 20 minutes (was not in foul trouble), against Marquette 22 minutes (was not in foul trouble) and UCONN (21 minutes and fouled out). He also struggled at home against creighton going 2-9 and 5 points. My only point is that Xavier is capable of winning without Zach. Not ideal to not have him but they can win games. I don’t think that is the case if they were to lose Souley.

[IM4X]

I think the part you are missing is no one is saying that Freemantle is a level below those guys in terms of production, or points scored, or performance this year. We strictly rank him below those others due to the circumstances of the make up of the team. That is it. If our 6th man was a really solid PG off the bench instead of a PF, I'd rank Boum 4 and he is one of the frontrunners for BE POY.

Nothing at all do to performance this season.

But you are correct, its all a matter of opinion.


Fair enough.

I do appreciate your opinion, I just want to make sure we fans are giving sufficient props to a player who has hustled his tail off and delivered at such a high level for his team throughout the season. I am so proud of the improved focus, attitude, effort and stats (scoring/rebounds) we have seeing from Zach. I want him to feel we appreciate all that he has done and I feel we should acknowledge that he has been one of the best (and sometimes even the best) on the team -not that he is someone who is “a level below” a group of three other players on the team. Anyway, I think you get my point.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Fair enough.

I do appreciate your opinion, I just want to make sure we fans are giving sufficient props to a player who has hustled his tail off and delivered at such a high level for his team throughout the season. I am so proud of the improved focus, attitude, effort and stats (scoring/rebounds) we have seeing from Zach. I want him to feel we appreciate all that he has done and I feel we should acknowledge that he has been one of the best (and sometimes even the best) on the team -not that he is someone who is “a level below” a group of three other players on the team. Anyway, I think you get my point.

No doubt. Freemantle has been better than I think any of us could have ever expected this year. Huge kudos to him for answering Miller's challenge.

[IM4X]

I agree that Zach is having a great year but you can look at four of Xavier’s best wins this year where Zach played fewer minutes and didn’t produce a ton in those games. The games against West Virginia, 20 minutes (was not in foul trouble), against Marquette 22 minutes (was not in foul trouble) and UCONN (21 minutes and fouled out). He also struggled at home against creighton going 2-9 and 5 points. My only point is that Xavier is capable of winning without Zach. Not ideal to not have him but they can win games. I don’t think that is the case if they were to lose Souley.

Maybe it is not the case with the loss of Souley, but maybe it is. None of us knows how well X would play without Souley. It is possible we could win without Boum. I would never want to test it, but Claude has really been getting better and Kunkel and Colby can also play at the 1 in a pinch. Freemantle has been excellent shooting the 3 lately. I absolutely love Souley. He has proven to be so darn good in so many games; but he has also disappeared in games. He scored one bucket in the Creighton game. He got shut down.

If that last Creighton game was an NCAA tournament game, and you were a spectator who didn’t know much about either team and you were asked who was more valuable in that game - Boum or Freemantle- I am pretty sure you would say Freemantle. My point is that various X players seem to step up in different games and it is hard for us to speculate whose loss would be most devastating.

I am not suggesting Zach is a bigger loss than Souley. I am simply saying we really do not know the effect of missing one of those four verses another. It depends on a number of things including opposing lineups. When Souley is playing well, we are certainly humming as a team and when he is not, we seem to struggle. We’ve never really seen much X basketball this season without Souley running the offense. Could X adapt and play well without Souley at the helm? I don’t want to find out, but we just don’t know.

My point is that Boum, Nunge, Jones and Freemantle are all special players. They all have had multiple performances where they stepped up and were key to the team’s victory in a game. It really is pure speculation for any of us to suggest X will be okay without one player but not another.

While it might seem to make sense at first glance that Hunter can fill in and do what Zach can- the truth is that he can’t. They are two different players. One is a shorter player who is a stronger defender and who primarily takes shots in the paint, The other one is taller, has a better midrange shot and can even stretch the defense and make defenders pay when they don’t cover him from 3. If Hunter’s skill set and style of play were more like to Zach’s, it might be a little easier to digest his loss. At the end of the day, we just don’t know whose absence would be missed most. We can only speculate.

What I do know is that Zach has earned the right (as a top scorer and the leading rebounder) to be included as one of the best on the team along with Colby and Souley and Jack - not a notch below them.

[IM4X]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/zach-freemantle-injury-xaviers-leading-rebounder-out-at-least-four-weeks-after-hurting-foot/


Let’s hope Zach really is ready to go by the BE tournament like Sean mentions he believes he will be.

[MHettel]

tough loss.

lots of opinions about Free's level of contribution and value to this team.

But the real issue is lack of depth. We couldnt afford to lose ANY of our starting 5. That requires digging into the bench to rely on someone who hasnt played much.

Even if we had lost #6 or #7, it still exposes this issue.

Miller said he preferred a short bench 7-8 during the offseason when he may not have even known what he had. The fact he played 7 doesnt really mean those other guys cannot play at this level.

I thinking less about Free being injured, and more about who will emerge.

I think Miles HAS to play. I dont think there is a scenario where Nunge and Hunter start and Edwards comes off the bench to spell Nunge. A front line of Edwards and Hunter just simply isnt big enough.

But, the same idea exists with Edwards. He's gotta play to give Hunter some rest. Cant imagine a lineup with Miles and Edwards.

Could we go small, with Colby at the 4 a bit and maybe Craft at the 3? or Tucker?

4 weeks for Miller to show why we paid him a gajillion dollars a year.

[GoMuskies]

Tucker? I'm not totally convinced he's a real person that's actually on the team.

[xavierj]

Tucker? I'm not totally convinced he's a real person that's actually on the team.

He is and he seems to love being at Xavier. Don’t forget the guy had to have brain surgery last year after a serious virus that could have killed him.

[xavierj]

tough loss.

lots of opinions about Free's level of contribution and value to this team.

But the real issue is lack of depth. We couldnt afford to lose ANY of our starting 5. That requires digging into the bench to rely on someone who hasnt played much.

Even if we had lost #6 or #7, it still exposes this issue.

Miller said he preferred a short bench 7-8 during the offseason when he may not have even known what he had. The fact he played 7 doesnt really mean those other guys cannot play at this level.

I thinking less about Free being injured, and more about who will emerge.

I think Miles HAS to play. I dont think there is a scenario where Nunge and Hunter start and Edwards comes off the bench to spell Nunge. A front line of Edwards and Hunter just simply isnt big enough.

But, the same idea exists with Edwards. He's gotta play to give Hunter some rest. Cant imagine a lineup with Miles and Edwards.

Could we go small, with Colby at the 4 a bit and maybe Craft at the 3? or Tucker?

4 weeks for Miller to show why we paid him a gajillion dollars a year.

Sean has been through almost the exact same scenario before at Arizona. He had his forward Brandon Ashley go down on February 1, 2014 when they were 21-1. After that Gabe York who was a guard, went from minutes in the teens to getting many games of minutes in the 30’s. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson’s minutes also increased as a bench player and he also became a much bigger part of the offense. But Sean went small adding York to the starting lineup when Ashley got hurt. That Arizona team ended the year 33-5 and lost to Wisconsin by 1 in OT in the Elite 8.

[UCGRAD4X]

He probably had a deeper bench at Arizona.

Even when Zach was not at his best, he provided a lot of minutes and likely contributed more than the 8th man who will be playing instead.

We do have some idea what the team would look like without Boum, it's called Tin Time.

[xavierj]

He probably had a deeper bench at Arizona.

Even when Zach was not at his best, he provided a lot of minutes and likely contributed more than the 8th man who will be playing instead.

We do have some idea what the team would look like without Boum, it's called Tin Time.

If he did he didn’t play them. The game before Ashley was hurt that year, against Stanford, 7 guys played, 4 played 32 minutes or more and the two guys off the bench played 16 and 23 minutes. A couple of weeks later that year they lost in double OT to Arizona state and The 5 starters all played at least 45 minutes or more. One guy off the bench got 14 minutes and another 5. Right or wrong, Sean doesn’t like playing a bunch of guys off then bench.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Sean has been through almost the exact same scenario before at Arizona. He had his forward Brandon Ashley go down on February 1, 2014 when they were 21-1. After that Gabe York who was a guard, went from minutes in the teens to getting many games of minutes in the 30’s. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson’s minutes also increased as a bench player and he also became a much bigger part of the offense. But Sean went small adding York to the starting lineup when Ashley got hurt. That Arizona team ended the year 33-5 and lost to Wisconsin by 1 in OT in the Elite 8.

Yeah, I think Miller is going to add one big to the mix, which is pretty clearly Edwards.

Hunter mins will double (as long as he can stay out of foul trouble) and Claude mins will go up as well.

KyKy will benefit from this more than Miles or Tucker will, imo.

But I really don't think we are going to lose one guy then Miller is all of a sudden going to throw 3 more guys regularly into the mix. That takes us from 7 deep to 10.

6 guys are going to play a lot of mins and depending on the night and circumstances I think Edwards and Kyky will benefit the most in terms of extra mins for guys who didn't play much. I think it stops there. I could see Miles being used sparingly in a pinch but he didn't even sniff the floor against Creighton when we were desperate for big man mins.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Is Kam Craft hurt? I would like to see more from him since he was highly touted.

[GoMuskies]

Is Kam Craft hurt? I would like to see more from him since he was highly touted.

No, he played the last 90 seconds of the Creighton game. I think he'll get a shot here or there with the minutes available due to Free's injury. Not a great sign that in the one defensive possession he got at Creighton his man badly beat him for a layup, though.

[Xavier]

Sounds like he fits right in

[OTRMUSKIE]

My goodness Travis Steele sux. Could he not tell these guys couldn’t play defense? Maybe it’s just too hard to know at the high school level.

[MHettel]

Tucker? I'm not totally convinced he's a real person that's actually on the team.

Yeah, I dont REALLY think Tucker is going to play. But I do know we just lost size and we cant just replace it with the next guy available (Tandy in my opinion).

Going small is an option of course, but I dont see a lineup with Tandy, Kunkle, Boum, Colby and Nunge having enough size to defend. That lineup might be able to score in an uptempo style, but that really requires defensive stops to keep the defense from setting up. And also, playing at a fast pace like that will only serve to wear out the guys that much quicker. I dont see Nunge getting up and down the court with those 4.

So, I think we need to stay as big as we can. Like I said, I think Edwards plays out of necessity. Miles too in my opinion. I think maybe one other guys sees more PT as well.

I'm not convinced that Miller will stick to a 7 man rotation just because he's previously employed one. I think all of our options have at least one weakness and that may result in needing to tap a few more players that we would normally to get the pieces we need out there.

I dont know what Tucker can do, but he seems like a tweener that can add a little size, but not have the same limitations as the other 2 big options (Edwards and Miles).

[MHettel]

Pretty safe to say that nobody stepped up. Guys that don’t play much (Tandy & Edwards) did very little. Normal rotation guys played extended minutes and the result was mixed

I’ll take the win. I expect about .500 from here on out

Not mad or disappointed….it just is what it is

[D-West & PO-Z]

Extremely clear Miller doesn't trust any player outside the top 7 (6 now with Free out).

Edwards will continue to steal a few mins, as will KyKy, and the rest will be up to Hunter to take up more mins and Claude.

Hunter played 16 mins more than his average mins in the last 5 games. Claude played 10.5 more mins tonight than his previous 5 game average.

[drudy23]

Honestly, neither Edwards nor KyKy played well tonight. Edwards couldnt guard anyone and KyKy hasnt made a shot in a month.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Honestly, neither Edwards nor KyKy played well tonight. Edwards couldnt guard anyone and KyKy hasnt made a shot in a month.

Whoa Drudy. KyKy barely played. I think he took two shots. At least I remember two shots. They were good shots----they just didn't fall. He just doesn't get enough consecutive minutes to get warmed up. You are right about Edwards. His play was (and continues to be) disappointing. The previous post seems on target. Miller just doesn't trust anybody past the top six (with Free, the top seven).

I think this points to Miller aggressively attacking the transfer portal at season end. I don't see anyone outside of the top seven (with possible exception of Craft) who I think can help us next year.

[paulxu]

This doesn't bode well down the stretch. I think they'll be well worn by the BE tourney if some of the other guys don't step up a little more.
Maybe the next couple of games will give them a chance to contribute extra minutes and give the starters a breather.

[xavierj]

This doesn't bode well down the stretch. I think they'll be well worn by the BE tourney if some of the other guys don't step up a little more.
Maybe the next couple of games will give them a chance to contribute extra minutes and give the starters a breather.

I hear this all the time about depth and it is really kind of not true if you look at college basketball as a whole. Look at box scores. For example. Creighton was up double digits most of last night at Georgetown and their bench played 24 minutes, XavierÂ’s played 39, Providence 45. Tennessee got 35 minutes off their bench last night. Ideally yes it would be great to get 10 to 15 minutes if productive play from Kyky and Edwards but unless foul trouble they will be fine.

[bleedXblue]

This doesn't bode well down the stretch. I think they'll be well worn by the BE tourney if some of the other guys don't step up a little more.
Maybe the next couple of games will give them a chance to contribute extra minutes and give the starters a breather.

Agree Sad but true

We are looking at a lot of transfers (exits) after this year. Miles, Tucker, Edwards lead the list

[Masterofreality]

KyKy, Edwards, Miles, Craft, Tucker add up to zero even with much better coaching.
All 5 of those guys are Steele recruits and other than Craft are not freshmen. And they give us nothing. Methinks The Former Guy’s recruiting, other than transfers was overrated. Only Colby, and some Claude, show anything now without Free.

[IM4X]

I think we now know Craft is capable of giving the team a solid 5-10 minutes should someone need a little breather. He looked pretty comfortable in the SJ game. He also hustled and showed he can produce points for the team both in the paint and from outside.

[Masterofreality]

I think we now know Craft is capable of giving the team a solid 5-10 minutes should someone need a little breather. He looked pretty comfortable in the SJ game. He also hustled and showed he can produce points for the team both in the paint and from outside.

Still not sure about that. St. John’s was a disheveled, bad basketball team last night.
He did hustle, but that wasn’t Marquette or even Seton Hall out there.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Still not sure about that. St. John’s was a disheveled, bad basketball team last night.
He did hustle, but that wasn’t Marquette or even Seton Hall out there.

Yeah it was definitely an easy situation to come into. Very low pressure game given the way it was going.

I hope Craft can give a few mins but wouldn't use the St. Johns game as a true barometer if it is possible.

I think I read or heard somewhere that Miller did say recently he thought Craft could crack the rotation this year. That would be nice but again, in big games, I think Miller is going to keep the rotation pretty tight unless there is foul trouble.

[X-band '01]

I'd imagine Miller will make every effort to get guys like Craft, Edwards and Tandy some minutes against Butler on Friday, but trying to get minutes at Marquette may be a fool's errand unless there's critical foul trouble.

[IM4X]

Still not sure about that. St. John’s was a disheveled, bad basketball team last night.
He did hustle, but that wasn’t Marquette or even Seton Hall out there.

I get your point and I do agree he may not look quite the same against teams with better defenses like Seton Hall and Marquette. Still, he did seem to look like the next best option off the bench after Claude. I think Edwards and Miles are still looking like they are a little lost at times and a little slow to react on defense.

[OTRMUSKIE]

It is my understanding that Free is almost ready to come back and should be available for Providence game. No great source just what I heard. Then announcers tonight said he could be out for season. So what have you guys heard?

[Caveat]

It is my understanding that Free is almost ready to come back and should be available for Providence game. No great source just what I heard. Then announcers tonight said he could be out for season. So what have you guys heard?

He's still wearing a walking boot when he's on the bench. Doesn't look to be back anytime soon, but IANAD.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I would assume that walking boot will be on up until he plays. X isn’t going far without him. No Freemantle means 8 seed imo. Which is still better then Any seed Miami of Ohio coach gave X.

[JTG]

It is my understanding that Free is almost ready to come back and should be available for Providence game. No great source just what I heard. Then announcers tonight said he could be out for season. So what have you guys heard?

The announcers said 4-6 weeks, Benetti said they were entering week 5. I think Miller let's him sit for Prov, and he plays Seton Hall and Butler, and is ready to go for the BE & NCAA.

[XUGRAD80]

The announcers said 4-6 weeks, Benetti said they were entering week 5. I think Miller let's him sit for Prov, and he plays Seton Hall and Butler, and is ready to go for the BE & NCAA.

Think you have that backwards. Next game on Friday is the Hall. Wed. the 1st of March is Prov. then Butler the following Saturday the 4th.

[nuts4xu]

Last week, Freemantle was seen testing out the foot on the floor before our game (can remember which game). Coach gave the impression they are targeting 4 weeks to allow for as much healing as possible, and time to work him back into the rotation. This puts him on track for some limited game action next week.

My guess is he checks into the Seton Hall game for some PT to start knocking the rust off.

[xu9697]

Hunter has filled in very nicely. I really thought Miller could get more out of Edwards and KyKy and Craft. Obviously, Craft got hurt and so did KyKy. It seems there really isn't much more to get out of them. Not trying to diss them- they are division 1 bball players and are working hard I'm sure, but probably more MAC or Horizon level (KyKy and Edwards- still hoping Craft can be a 2023-24 rotational player).

[OTRMUSKIE]

It’s just amazing that this is what Steele gave us. Notice how none of these players followed Steele to Miami, where Tbey actually would play and prob would fit in better. They rather sit the bench then follow the guy that recruited him. That has to sting a little.

[xu9697]

It’s just amazing that this is what Steele gave us. Notice how none of these players followed Steele to Miami, where Tbey actually would play and prob would fit in better. They rather sit the bench then follow the guy that recruited him. That has to sting a little.

Great point.

Edwards, in looking at 247 recruiting, was a top 60 recruit. Not a perfect science, I know, but..yeesh!

[Xavier]

All fine and well to blame Steele for the talent. Just remember to give him credit for building up the majority of a roster that was top 10 at one point as well, then.

[xavierj]

Great point.

Edwards, in looking at 247 recruiting, was a top 60 recruit. Not a perfect science, I know, but..yeesh!

Jury is still out on Edwards. He was rated highly because in high school he was pretty skilled for a big man, grew late. If Sean wants him back
I bet we will see major improvement next year. However, if Free and Jack come back, he may be better off going to another place. He has to gain confidence and get a lot stronger. He is pretty athletic.

[zippin']

Are there still Steele supporters around? The guy who missed the tournament 4 years in a row? Also, the productivity of Jerome this year vs last year should be all you need to see.

[OTRMUSKIE]

All fine and well to blame Steele for the talent. Just remember to give him credit for building up the majority of a roster that was top 10 at one point as well, then.

Only credit I give him is his ability to recruit his wife. Nice job sir nice job. Take away that and he sucks from top to bottom.

[xukeith]

Great point.

Edwards, in looking at 247 recruiting, was a top 60 recruit. Not a perfect science, I know, but..yeesh!

Not top 60. Maybe top 60 of all forwards. He was in the 120-130 range per 247.

[zippin']

Not top 60. Maybe top 60 of all forwards. He was in the 120-130 range per 247.

Edwards was a 4* recruit and number 121 overall. He was actually listed as a center, and was the number 18 center. Pretty crazy he isn't even close to living up to that.

[drudy23]

Edwards was a 4* recruit and number 121 overall. He was actually listed as a center, and was the number 18 center. Pretty crazy he isn't even close to living up to that.

Probably wasn't his fault if we're being honest. But it is what it is at this point.

[xu9697]

Not top 60. Maybe top 60 of all forwards. He was in the 120-130 range per 247.

Sorry- my bad; 121 is correct overall. Kam Craft was 60.

[xukeith]

Hope Zach feels strong enough to play vs Providence. Maybe by Butler game he can play more minutes. Maybe X can play 90% of what their strongest lineup earlier this year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

All fine and well to blame Steele for the talent. Just remember to give him credit for building up the majority of a roster that was top 10 at one point as well, then.

Yes, to some extent, however, Freemantle and Hunter are different players this year under Miller than Steele, especially Hunter who was useless last year.

Boum is a Miller guy, Colby (recent stretch notwithstanding, has flourished under Miller). Not sure you'd be seeing the same results out of this roster under Steele.

[Final4]

Anyone hearing some strange shit about Zak?

[nuts4xu]

Anyone hearing some strange shit about Zak?

I will bite, what did you hear? Did he change his name from Zach to Zak?

[Xville]

Anyone hearing some strange shit about Zak?

That’s ominous… if you have heard a rumor, might as well share it. It’s a message board not a court of law

[OTRMUSKIE]

So yes Zaque tried the foot out and it was a no go. He is probably done for year. Sources? Just friends but it’s better information than what the poster gave you above!

[Xville]

So yes Zaque tried the foot out and it was a no go. He is probably done for year. Sources? Just friends but it’s better information than what the poster gave you above!

Can’t say I’m surprised if true… with it being the same foot as last year, I didn’t think it was something that was just going to miraculously heal itself in 4 weeks. Hopefully it’s not true and he’s healed but this sucks if true. This team isn’t doing anything in March if he’s not healthy.

[xavierj]

So yes Zaque tried the foot out and it was a no go. He is probably done for year. Sources? Just friends but it’s better information than what the poster gave you above!

We will see. Wouldn’t be totally shocked but also playing on it wouldn’t hurt it anymore if it will already require another surgery. Just depends how much pain he can tolerate. The plan all along was wait 4 weeks and that will be Monday. If not practicing Monday then it would appear that he decided not to try to come back.

[Final4]

So yes Zaque tried the foot out and it was a no go. He is probably done for year. Sources? Just friends but it’s better information than what the poster gave you above!

Well that's not what I heard so whether it's "better information" remains to be seen. You be the judge.......is no information "better" than wrong information. Am I'm not suggesting you're wrong.......it's just what I heard was quite different.

[CoopDeVillle]

Just spill the beans on what you heard, man. Reckless speculation and rumors are the lifeblood of message boards.

[Xavier]

Yeah, don’t get the point? “Anyone hearing what I’m hearing about xyz?” “No what are you hearing” “ah I can’t say”

What’s the point?

[Xville]

Yeah, don’t get the point? “Anyone hearing what I’m hearing about xyz?” “No what are you hearing” “ah I can’t say”

What’s the point?

Exactly. Pretty annoying to be honest. “ I heard something but I’m not going to share it.” Um, ok thanks?

[zippin']

"I have a girlfriend. You don't know her because she goes to another school."

[Masterofreality]

A bit of inside info on Free:

The X team group is evaluating if he can actually now play on this injury or not. A screw from foot injury last year came loose and has been reset. Apparently he’s been to a few doctors trying to evaluate if he can play. Still undetermined.

[JTG]

A bit of inside info on Free:

The X team group is evaluating if he can actually now play on this injury or not. A screw from foot injury last year came loose and has been reset. Apparently he’s been to a few doctors trying to evaluate if he can play. Still undetermined.

Ouch, that sounds painful, but if it's reset and mostly healed, it may be a matter of how much pain can he deal with.

[drudy23]

Was the screw set at the beginning of all of this, or did they just realize they had to reset the screw and it's going to be another couple weeks?

[Masterofreality]

Was the screw set at the beginning of all of this, or did they just realize they had to reset the screw and it's going to be another couple weeks?

Word is, at the beginning.

[drudy23]

I'm rooting for this screw.

[xuwin]

I'm rooting for this screw.

Hope we aren't screwed.

[Three Point Pete]

Doesn't sound logical. If "last year's injury" has healed by now, which it should have, then it would seem there is no longer a need for orthopedic fixation hardware.

If they had to reset a screw (why not just remove it) then there is still some injury which requires stability until it heals.

Hope for the best, and God takes care of the rest!

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[Masterofreality]

Doesn't sound logical. If "last year's injury" has healed by now, which it should have, then it would seem there is no longer a need for orthopedic fixation hardware.

If they had to reset a screw (why not just remove it) then there is still some injury which requires stability until it heals.

Hope for the best, and God takes care of the rest!

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Except that another stress fracture dislodged the screw.

[xavierj]

Except that another stress fracture dislodged the screw.

Miller addressed Zach’s injury after the game. Sounds like he will start practicing this week and may get some minutes against Providence if he feels ok.

[Masterofreality]

Miller addressed Zach’s injury after the game. Sounds like he will start practicing this week and may get some minutes against Providence if he feels ok.

That is the hope. But the big thing is to be ready for the Dance.

[bjf123]

That is the hope. But the big thing is to be ready for the Dance.

Agreed. If there’s any question, hold him out. I’m sure that will be the recommendation of the doctors.


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[UCGRAD4X]

Agreed. If there’s any question, hold him out. I’m sure that will be the recommendation of the doctors.

I would expect the doctors to be quite overly cautious. Not that I disagree with that, but I wouldn't treat that as the final call, especially if they express a degree of ambiguity, which I also would expect.

[xukeith]

Miller addressed Zach’s injury after the game. Sounds like he will start practicing this week and may get some minutes against Providence if he feels ok.

XavierJ-
Where did you read or hear this? any link?

[Xavier]

Also saw that on Twitter somewhere. And someone on the other board with “inside knowledge” said it’s even possible he gets a few minutes against Providence. I’m not holding my breath on any of it though. Seems as unclear now as it was a few weeks ago. Hope he’s good to come back though

[zippin']

The rumors about this are crazy right now. It seems like there are people all over social media with "sources" claiming different things.

[American X]

I heard he is not even into Bon Jovi and big-breasted women with big frizzy hair.

[noteggs]

I heard he is not even into Bon Jovi and big-breasted women with big frizzy hair.

Since he’s from Jersey, big if true!

[BandDad]

So what i am getting from the last couple of pages of this thread is that Freemantle may have a loose screw?

[OTRMUSKIE]

So what i am getting from the last couple of pages of this thread is that Freemantle may have a loose screw?

And maybe not a fan of Bon Jovi, that’s is correct .

[Strange Brew]

Any word if Free is a Springsteen fan or are we keeping that quiet from PU to gain an advantage?

[Xuperman]

So what i am getting from the last couple of pages of this thread is that Freemantle may have a loose screw?

Yes....word is he puts ketchup on his hot dog.

[Strange Brew]

Yes....word is he puts ketchup on his hot dog.

Dear God…:)

[X-man]

Dear God…:)

OMG, we agree about something!!! ��

[X-band '01]

-RUNNINGMAN ALERT-

Blue Runningman jerseys being worn tonight at The Amp

[xukeith]

update on Freemantle news:
Miller said in his press conference that there is a small chance Zach may play tomorrow, but we will know definitely by mid next week.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I listened to the presser and Miller's update on Freemantle was about as non-committal of an answer as anything he has ever said. I'll try to get the quote close to correct........."we hold an outside hope that Zach plays against Butler but as we get into early next week or the B.E. tournament, then we'll have a final answer."

Whaaaaaaat?

The "final answer" is that he plays or is done? Looking back, most of the discussion around Zach has been that he was going to be sidelined for a month but will return. Miller's answer, to me, sounds like we are being set up that his injury is season ending and he will not return.

For a coach that is so straight forward and direct, his was a total non-answer. I would have rather heard that he is still being evaluated and a bit about the evaluation process----what he's doing and how we will know when he's ready. By all means given the nature of the injury, if he needs to be put on the shelf, do so. Just tell us.

I have a difficult time imagining that Zach, even if he returns in some limited fashion, is going to be able to contribute much. Hope he chooses to return next year.

[Masterofreality]

Methinks Zach gets a few minutes tomorrow. Mark it.
You never tip your hand to an opponent.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Methinks Zach gets a few minutes tomorrow. Mark it.
You never tip your hand to an opponent.

O.K. You are closer to the program and have been accurate in the past so I'll defer to you. Writing in my planner and telling my wife "Zach plays". You are right about not tipping your hand and, on senior night with a pumped crowd anyway, will make for one helluva "Willis Reed Moment".

[Xville]

Rumor I heard which is like fourth hand from a student manager is that he will play tomorrow night for a few minutes. We’ll see.

[bobbiemcgee]

Until then "Send it in Jerome".

[UCGRAD4X]

It almost sounds to me like it may require some different procedure or operation if it doesn't hold up to some game-like conditions. There may be some medical decisions which are not really in his hands or definitive enough to speak on. If the medical staff are not sure, it is difficult for the basketball Dr. Miller to make a statement that would espouse much certainty at all.

The only inside information I have is what I read here. Take that for what it is worth.

[xukeith]

Freemantle update from Twitter.

Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
·
1h
Xavier's Zach Freemantle (foot) is available for today's game against Butler and will be a game-time decision, per Sean Miller. Has not played since 1/28. Averages 15.2 PPG and 8.1 RPG.

Significant Big East news.

KyKy Tandy (foot) is also available and a game-time decision.

[bleedXblue]

It almost sounds to me like it may require some different procedure or operation if it doesn't hold up to some game-like conditions. There may be some medical decisions which are not really in his hands or definitive enough to speak on. If the medical staff are not sure, it is difficult for the basketball Dr. Miller to make a statement that would espouse much certainty at all.

The only inside information I have is what I read here. Take that for what it is worth.

Its all about Zachs future and ability to play after this year. If I had to guess he's planning on graduating and moving on to play in Europe and they dont want to risk any of that. I sort of get it.......

[D-West & PO-Z]

Its all about Zachs future and ability to play after this year. If I had to guess he's planning on graduating and moving on to play in Europe and they dont want to risk any of that. I sort of get it.......

But he's available to play today. Can't imagine if he has any chance that he doesnt take it to play in the NCAA tournament.

[bleedXblue]

But he's available to play today. Can't imagine if he has any chance that he doesnt take it to play in the NCAA tournament.

Ok that's great if he does

The obvious risk if it isn't 100% healed is a reinjury and then question marks about his future

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Freemantle update from Twitter.

Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
·
1h
Xavier's Zach Freemantle (foot) is available for today's game against Butler and will be a game-time decision, per Sean Miller. Has not played since 1/28. Averages 15.2 PPG and 8.1 RPG.

Significant Big East news.

KyKy Tandy (foot) is also available and a game-time decision.

MOR is right. Miller will play Zach----maybe just token minutes but Cintas will go NUTS.

[Xavier]

Its all about Zachs future and ability to play after this year. If I had to guess he's planning on graduating and moving on to play in Europe and they dont want to risk any of that. I sort of get it.......

I get it too. Which is why it’s confusing me, if he was told there’s risk of further damage why would he think he’s going to see how it feels. The “family decision” part is what makes me think that’s the case. Slow playing it back doesn’t make as much sense in that situation. But if it is simply something that requires surgery and it’s a pain tolerance thing (which is what I thought originally) slow playing it back makes more sense.

He started feeling discomfort a game or two before stopping, so he has shown he can play well despite the injury. I kind of expect that again if he decides to come back fully, I’m not as concerned about his Actual play if he does come back.

[Masterofreality]

I get it too. Which is why it’s confusing me, if he was told there’s risk of further damage why would he think he’s going to see how it feels. The “family decision” part is what makes me think that’s the case. Slow playing it back doesn’t make as much sense in that situation. But if it is simply something that requires surgery and it’s a pain tolerance thing (which is what I thought originally) slow playing it back makes more sense.

He started feeling discomfort a game or two before stopping, so he has shown he can play well despite the injury. I kind of expect that again if he decides to come back fully, I’m not as concerned about his Actual play if he does come back.

Word: Free can do no further damage.
It is a pain tolerance thing.

[Masterofreality]

Latest. Free is out tonight.

[Xville]

I’ll be surprised at this point if we see him again this year

[D-West & PO-Z]

Latest. Free is out tonight.

Damn

[Xavier]

I’ll be surprised at this point if we see him again this year

Agreed. And I’m not saying X is better without him, I think we are different but just as good. I think our ceiling is its highest if Zach would be willing to come back and play off the bench.

We could keep what’s working well now (defensively better, etc.) while Zach can come in and provide different looks and mismatches depending on need. Much better than edwards and maybe play 15-18 minutes. Not sure he’d be ok with that and agreed it doesn’t matter anyway, his season is likely done.

[American X]

Freemantle should check in just to give a Butler guy a wedgie then get ejected.

[waggy]

Miller has said repeatedly he hopes to get Zach back. So he’s just lying?

[bjf123]

Miller has said repeatedly he hopes to get Zach back. So he’s just lying?

No. I’m sure he does hope to get him back. None of us really know what’s going on with his recovery and pain tolerance.


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[Masterofreality]

Agreed. And I’m not saying X is better without him, I think we are different but just as good. I think our ceiling is its highest if Zach would be willing to come back and play off the bench.

We could keep what’s working well now (defensively better, etc.) while Zach can come in and provide different looks and mismatches depending on need. Much better than edwards and maybe play 15-18 minutes. Not sure he’d be ok with that and agreed it doesn’t matter anyway, his season is likely done.

Assuming we play Creighton, I want Jerome to guard Kaluma rather than Free. Hopefully Cesare keeps improving.

[Caveat]

Miller has said repeatedly he hopes to get Zach back. So he’s just lying?

No. I'm betting that this was a "let's try therapy before the knife" situation and therapy hasn't worked out like they'd hoped.

[Masterofreality]

No. I'm betting that this was a "let's try therapy before the knife" situation and therapy hasn't worked out like they'd hoped.

There’s more to the story

[bjf123]

Both Zack and KyKy out tonight per Adam Baum.

https://twitter.com/adamjbaum/status/1632146422794682369?s=46&t=BFaRhpzSZFkQ7RbyDYbL8g


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[xu82]

There’s more to the story

Care to share? Or would that be crossing some line?

[XUGRAD80]

Zack is on the court in civies and a walking boot.

[Masterofreality]

Care to share? Or would that be crossing some line?

Yeah. Not productive to get into it.

[xukeith]

I feel horrible for Zach. This is another year where this injury hurts him, the team and fans. I am dropping the odds of him playing in BE tourney to 5% . Just admitting my previous self-delusion doesn't work anymore

[XUGRAD80]

However I’m now leaning toward him coming back next year, especially if he doesn’t play again this year. I just don’t think that he wants to end his college career having never played in the NCAA tourney.

[D-West & PO-Z]

However I’m now leaning toward him coming back next year, especially if he doesn’t play again this year. I just don’t think that he wants to end his college career having never played in the NCAA tourney.

Unless the reason he doesnt want to play is because he is leaving and doesn't want to limit his pro chances (G-league, Europe, wherever) right before they get started.

If it stands right now that he COULD play but he is choosing not to play despite clearance, which kind of seems to be the case, then I would think that is his decision due to be ready to move onto a pro career.

Again, just making up my own theory, but that is what makes sense in my mind.

[Xavier]

I’m surprised he didn’t participate in Sr night. If he’s not playing to protect his future- then he won’t be coming back. It’s almost embarrassing how much we read into speculation right now.

[bleedXblue]

Unless the reason he doesnt want to play is because he is leaving and doesn't want to limit his pro chances (G-league, Europe, wherever) right before they get started.

If it stands right now that he COULD play but he is choosing not to play despite clearance, which kind of seems to be the case, then I would think that is his decision due to be ready to move onto a pro career.

Again, just making up my own theory, but that is what makes sense in my mind.

LOL exactly what I said?

[XUGRAD80]

I’m surprised he didn’t participate in Sr night. If he’s not playing to protect his future- then he won’t be coming back. It’s almost embarrassing how much we read into speculation right now.

The fact that he DIDN’T participate is to me a pretty good indication that he plans to return. It could also be that the doctors have told him that it’s in his best interest, no matter where he decides to play next year, for him to shut it down now and let the foot fully heal before resuming any physical activity. Not saying that he can’t or won’t change his mind, but unless something changes I think he will return. I certainly HOPE he returns, and that’s not something everyone was in favor of this time last year.

[Three Point Pete]

Ten days until the Dance, so to be very cautious, that could be enough time to heal in order to play. As OP said, you want to always keep Zach's best interests top priority.

Healing prayers continue for our injured!

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[XU 87]

I’m surprised he didn’t participate in Sr night. If he’s not playing to protect his future- then he won’t be coming back. It’s almost embarrassing how much we read into speculation right now.

His future could include him coming back next year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

LOL exactly what I said?

Yeah, it was, the reason I pushed back on it initially was because the report was he was available to play yesterday. Pure speculation, but it seems that he was cleared by docs and he made a personal decision not to play because for whatever reason. Once it went from he is available today to he's not playing, my thoughts on the matter went exactly to what your thoughts were.

Think you nailed it, if that is what is really going on.

[D-West & PO-Z]

His future could include him coming back next year.

Definitely could. Something in me feels like you'd be more cautious if not returning than if returning. You have a lot more time to heal if returning if something was aggravated than if not returning and wanting to participate in professional workouts/tryouts.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Definitely could. Something in me feels like you'd be more cautious if not returning than if returning. You have a lot more time to heal if returning if something was aggravated than if not returning and wanting to participate in professional workouts/tryouts.

Think I'm in your camp. Total speculation without access to any facts-----but that's what we do here. Free gave us four years and had a tremendous senior year in helping to lead us out of the desert. Although cleared medically, there are other influences in his life, parents chief among them. Someone is telling him to sit, that seems certain. And why shouldn't he? He had the surgery and like many others who have had surgery to correct that same injury (one of whom was sitting on the Butler bench last night), surgery hasn't been 100% successful.

I just never got the vibe that Free really enjoys the academic environment and, if he heals, he certainly can make money, somewhere, playing professionally---at least for awhile.

I also think if he is sitting for the entire post season (admitting we don't know) after being medically cleared, his future relationship with some teammates could be strained. Kunkel would play on a broken leg---you just know he would. Zach has had an on again, off again relationship with some of us hard core fans so it would not be a surprise if opting out of senior night festivities, could be a final f**k you to those of us who have been critical of his behavior.

So sitting now may very well portend him not returning although I hope he does. But if he moves on, he gave us four great years and I'm sure all of us on this board wish him the best. The lads were pretty flat last night (fans too) which seemed unusual for the final game of our seniors. Perhaps that flatness is in some manner related to Free's situation.

I don't know. I'm just spit balling and perhaps doing so without any accuracy.

[MHettel]

I hope free plays agin this year for us, and I hope he comes back next year.

I’m not privy to the “other things” going on here, but depending on which lens you decide to view this situation through, it ends much differently. The rose colored glasses just show that he wasn’t quite ready yet and will be back for the BET and beyond. Further, not celebrating senior day is a tell to his decision to come back. I like this scenario.

The dark side of the interpretation is that Free is just brooding (again) and knows this year is over and has just checked out. He’s not into senior night BS, and this whole XU experience was nothing more (or less) than a layover for what lies ahead of him at his final destination.

He’s definitely been an enigma. You can love him all you want, and he seems to give nothing back. I put him in the Jordan Crawford, Justin Martin, Mark Lyons camp.

Final chapter(s) are not written on Zach….or are they?

[xudash]

I hope free plays agin this year for us, and I hope he comes back next year.

I’m not privy to the “other things” going on here, but depending on which lens you decide to view this situation through, it ends much differently. The rose colored glasses just show that he wasn’t quite ready yet and will be back for the BET and beyond. Further, not celebrating senior day is a tell to his decision to come back. I like this scenario.

The dark side of the interpretation is that Free is just brooding (again) and knows this year is over and has just checked out. He’s not into senior night BS, and this whole XU experience was nothing more (or less) than a layover for what lies ahead of him at his final destination.

He’s definitely been an enigma. You can love him all you want, and he seems to give nothing back. I put him in the Jordan Crawford, Justin Martin, Mark Lyons camp.

Final chapter(s) are not written on Zach….or are they?

I hope this is nothing more than throwing out "Jersey Expressions" - I thought I would formalize the phrase, my apologies. He's from New Jersey. Whaddaya Whaddaya.

[HenryMuto]

I just heard he is done for the year...........this blows bad

He is having surgery on Tuesday. Damn.

[Xavgrad08]

Really hate this for him. He worked so hard in the offseason and never got to play in the NCAA tournament. Bummer. Here is hoping to a speedy recovery.

[Masterofreality]

“ Xavier's Zach Freemantle to have season-ending foot surgery” (Tuesday)

[Xavier]

I wonder what impact seeing Scruggs tear his acl at the end of the year will have on those guys potentially leaving (Freemantle and jones).

[X-band '01]

It does hurt for Freemantle, but the good thing for Xavier is they have shown they can still win and play at a high level without him in the lineup. They'll just play the cards they've been dealt and go from there.

[xavierj]

I wonder what impact seeing Scruggs tear his acl at the end of the year will have on those guys potentially leaving (Freemantle and jones).

Colby will leave because he most likely will be a first round pick and he should leave if that’s the case. Zach can either stay at Xavier or go overseas. Probably could make as much, if not more in NIL money at Xavier.

[XUOWNSUC]

I wonder what impact seeing Scruggs tear his acl at the end of the year will have on those guys potentially leaving (Freemantle and jones).

If I’m Jones, I’m 100% leaving. He’s been mocked to go in the first round of most NBA mock drafts. You get a chance to go to the NBA you take it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Really hate this for him. He worked so hard in the offseason and never got to play in the NCAA tournament. Bummer. Here is hoping to a speedy recovery.

Yes, same. Was having a 1st team all BE type year and finally going to get to NCAA tourney. Sucks for Free.

This surgery news however, makes me feel like he isn't just looking out for his pro interests (not that there would have been anything wrong with that).

Needing surgery means there is clearly still a major issue that needs addressing.

Speculation again, and I know I've been all over the place with my opinion as new info comes out, but this news, coupled with the no senior night participation, makes me think Free is actually coming back. Or at least would be strongly considering it.

Either way, wish fast recovery to Free.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Probably could make as much, if not more in NIL money at Xavier.

This is an interesting comment around an issue I have no knowledge of when it comes to Xavier. I am guessing you have some sort of either inside knowledge on this topic or there is something out there publicly that I have missed. Not knowing anything, it would surprise me for that to be the case, but would be happy to learn that our best players can earn overseas type money in NIL while at Xavier.

[xavierj]

This is an interesting comment around an issue I have no knowledge of when it comes to Xavier. I am guessing you have some sort of either inside knowledge on this topic or there is something out there publicly that I have missed. Not knowing anything, it would surprise me for that to be the case, but would be happy to learn that our best players can earn overseas type money in NIL while at Xavier.

I have heard it from different people that some players are getting $250k this year and the lowest in the team was $50k. I have heard that people had secured around $3 million for NIL money for players. My guess is that will keep increasing. I would imagine that is competitive with most leagues in Europe. I know some guys that are at the top of the euro leagues can make much more than that. Not sure Zach would be at that level to start.

[Xavier]

Yep. X is being competitive with some of the European leagues I think. Id be Surprised if everyone on the team was making 50K though. Still, It’s a strange era where Freemantles agent will have to see if he makes more money in Europe or at X next year. At least I remember they are able to have agents so I assume he does.

Not to get into this argument in the thread but it actually seems to help college basketball product overall. Guys that may typically leave have good options to stay. Really going to be interesting to see how it pans out over next few years but the transfer/NIL can ultimately help cbb when originally I wasn’t so sure

[bjf123]

I have heard it from different people that some players are getting $250k this year and the lowest in the team was $50k. I have heard that people had secured around $3 million for NIL money for players. My guess is that will keep increasing. I would imagine that is competitive with most leagues in Europe. I know some guys that are at the top of the euro leagues can make much more than that. Not sure Zach would be at that level to start.

At X? I find that hard to believe. No basis for that feeling other than it doesn’t seem likely to me.


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[OTRMUSKIE]

Zach is having surgery . Not sure if it was already mentioned. It’s scheduled for Tuesday

[D-West & PO-Z]

I have heard it from different people that some players are getting $250k this year and the lowest in the team was $50k. I have heard that people had secured around $3 million for NIL money for players. My guess is that will keep increasing. I would imagine that is competitive with most leagues in Europe. I know some guys that are at the top of the euro leagues can make much more than that. Not sure Zach would be at that level to start.

If true, this is incredible and I love it. That is some big time money. Actually a little surprised a guy like Nunge would walk away from that. Would have to imagine he would be "some players". He could stay close to his family and hometown for another year while making that type of money?

[Xville]

Really sucks for free. The change in play and attitude from him this year has been incredible, and I’m sure he was ecstatic to be able to play in the tourney. As much as it sucks for us as fans, he has to feel a million times worse. Hopefully, this surgery fixes everything and he won’t have issues like this again… I just worry that with big men once they have foot issues they never really go away. I hope he is the exception to the rule.

[xavierj]

If true, this is incredible and I love it. That is some big time money. Actually a little surprised a guy like Nunge would walk away from that. Would have to imagine he would be "some players". He could stay close to his family and hometown for another year while making that type of money?

I actually think in the end Nunge comes back and NIL will be a factor. I know he walked but still think he decides to come back. He hasn’t told anyone that he is not coming back at this point but walked just in case.

[nuts4xu]

I actually think in the end Nunge comes back and NIL will be a factor. I know he walked but still think he decides to come back. He hasn’t told anyone that he is not coming back at this point but walked just in case.

I think Nunge will come back too. I think just wanted his sword early, that's why he walked for senior night.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I actually think in the end Nunge comes back and NIL will be a factor. I know he walked but still think he decides to come back. He hasn’t told anyone that he is not coming back at this point but walked just in case.

Obviously things can change but this article was from the start of the year abut his and his wife's relationship as a newly married couple.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2022/11/01/a-beautiful-relationship-xaviers-jack-nunge-recently-got-married/69583938007/

Although not a quote from Jack, Adam Baum writes:

"This season is likely Jack's last in college. He told The Enquirer recently that he wants to continue playing basketball either in the NBA or overseas. Gabrielle's ready to support him wherever the game takes them."

I would have to think Baum wrote that due to some sort of indication from Jack and his wife. However, I get things can change. A 24 year old married man who has already played 5 season though may be ready to move on.

[xavierj]

Obviously things can change but this article was from the start of the year abut his and his wife's relationship as a newly married couple.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2022/11/01/a-beautiful-relationship-xaviers-jack-nunge-recently-got-married/69583938007/

Although not a quote from Jack, Adam Baum writes:

"This season is likely Jack's last in college. He told The Enquirer recently that he wants to continue playing basketball either in the NBA or overseas. Gabrielle's ready to support him wherever the game takes them."

I would have to think Baum wrote that due to some sort of indication from Jack and his wife. However, I get things can change. A 24 year old married man who has already played 5 season though may be ready to move on.

I absolutely agree but my guess is that Jack has had more fun this year than any year playing college basketball. The other fact is his brother will still be here. If Jack just turned 23 he would 100% be back. I am sure he will see what’s out there but I also think Jack is a smart guy and has more of a business world future long term than basketball so we shall see what he decides.

[Caveat]

Jack's gone, IMO.

He's 24 years old and already married -- unless you're at BYU, that's probably not the profile of a person you expect to come back for "one more season." Plus, if he's got dreams of playing professionally over in Europe, he needs to get over there and start his career. He's already 2-3 years "late" in starting his pro career, and you can't get those years back.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Jack's gone, IMO.

He's 24 years old and already married -- unless you're at BYU, that's probably not the profile of a person you expect to come back for "one more season." Plus, if he's got dreams of playing professionally over in Europe, he needs to get over there and start his career. He's already 2-3 years "late" in starting his pro career, and you can't get those years back.

I tend to agree, and I would 100% agree if NIL wasn't thing. But if he really made $250,000 this year and can make that next year as well, that is a nice payday. I am not sure he goes to Europe and makes $250,000, but I don't know enough about what his market would be. The reason you'd want those years as a young pro is to maximize your earning potential. But if he is already making really good money, then I could see his hesitation to leave.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Yes, same. Was having a 1st team all BE type year and finally going to get to NCAA tourney. Sucks for Free.

This surgery news however, makes me feel like he isn't just looking out for his pro interests (not that there would have been anything wrong with that).

Needing surgery means there is clearly still a major issue that needs addressing.

Speculation again, and I know I've been all over the place with my opinion as new info comes out, but this news, coupled with the no senior night participation, makes me think Free is actually coming back. Or at least would be strongly considering it.

Either way, wish fast recovery to Free.

Let me offer a contrarian and totally speculative view. We know, I assume, two facts.

1. Free's current injury is a loose screw(s) in the foot where he had prior surgery.

2. He was "medically cleared" to play per Rothstein tweet.

Therefore, it seems, he chose surgery. I experienced a loose screw in my knee after major knee surgery. It was bothersome but not painful (acknowledging Free's pain level may be quite different). I had the screw removed as an add-on to hip replacement surgery. The removal was a relatively minor procedure with just a few weeks recovery. The hip took much longer. Removal of a screw from the foot may, I understand, be more complicated.

But assuming it is not, and Free chose surgery over playing, one could argue that this decision reflects a desire to fix the problem now and be ready for summer camps---NBA or other. In this case, if you buy all of the foregoing, one could conclude Free is not coming back. If so, although we will miss him, he gave us four good years and given the circumstances I cannot blame him. However, I have to acknowledge an argument that questions this conclusion as it requires Zach to voluntarily pass up a post season appearance he has never experienced and for which he has worked very hard.

Once again, I have zero knowledge of the specifics. Just trying to put the pieces together.

[Strange Brew]

Tough news for the Beast from NJ. Hope he makes the best decision for himself and heals up. Also, hope he enjoys being with the team in the Dance. He deserves it. Not many get to experience it and he can’t ever get that time back.

[Masterofreality]

Interesting stat from AP’s Jeff Wallner:

#Xavier with or without Zach Freemantle:

With: Scoring 83 PPG
Without: Scoring 79 PPG

With: Allowing 75 PPG
Without: Allowing 71 PPG.

We’ve retained an 8 point plus vs some damn good competition.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Interesting stat from AP’s Jeff Wallner:

#Xavier with or without Zach Freemantle:

With: Scoring 83 PPG
Without: Scoring 79 PPG

With: Allowing 75 PPG
Without: Allowing 71 PPG.

We’ve retained an 8 point plus vs some damn good competition.

Yeah, I think the defense improved relatively close to what we thought it might but I can say for me, the offense didn't take as big of a hit as I thought it would.

[Masterofreality]

Yeah, I think the defense improved relatively close to what we thought it might but I can say for me, the offense didn't take as big of a hit as I thought it would.

I mean, we scored 94 on the road vs a Top 30 NCAA team!

[Strange Brew]

Interesting stat from AP’s Jeff Wallner:

#Xavier with or without Zach Freemantle:

With: Scoring 83 PPG
Without: Scoring 79 PPG

With: Allowing 75 PPG
Without: Allowing 71 PPG.

We’ve retained an 8 point plus vs some damn good competition.

This may have something to do with the other guys stepping up. This is a fun team with a lot of heart. Remember most of these guys pulled it together to win the NIT last year after some bad decisions outside of their control.

#respect.

[Wheelhouse]

Without Frosty we can play close to as well on offense and we're better on defense. That said, we'd no doubt be better off with him because we need the depth. That is my biggest concern heading into the postseason. The second Nunge gets in foul trouble we're going to have a tough time winning that game. That's not to say we can't do it, but it's going to be an uphill climb. We're not getting a Butler or a DePaul in the Tournament. Almost every team is good.

[Masterofreality]

Without Frosty we can play close to as well on offense and we're better on defense. That said, we'd no doubt be better off with him because we need the depth. That is my biggest concern heading into the postseason. The second Nunge gets in foul trouble we're going to have a tough time winning that game. That's not to say we can't do it, but it's going to be an uphill climb. We're not getting a Butler or a DePaul in the Tournament. Almost every team is good.

But Jack has a rep of being able to play without fouling. That rep is important. Kunk has the oppo rep. It makes a difference, unless the refs are BOC and High Stepping Jeff

[D-West & PO-Z]

Without Frosty we can play close to as well on offense and we're better on defense. That said, we'd no doubt be better off with him because we need the depth. That is my biggest concern heading into the postseason. The second Nunge gets in foul trouble we're going to have a tough time winning that game. That's not to say we can't do it, but it's going to be an uphill climb. We're not getting a Butler or a DePaul in the Tournament. Almost every team is good.

This is why I was so happy Creighton was going to be on the opposite side of the bracket (until Providence shit the bed). Kalkbrenner is a tough matchup for Jack and X and can cause major foul trouble.

[nickgyp]

This is why I was so happy Creighton was going to be on the opposite side of the bracket (until Providence shit the bed). Kalkbrenner is a tough matchup for Jack and X and can cause major foul trouble.

With the news about Free, I think Miller turns to Edwards and says,” You played well against Butler. You have the ability. We need you! Play us some ball!”.

[UCGRAD4X]

With the news about Free, I think Miller turns to Edwards and says,” You played well against Butler. You have the ability. We need you! Play us some ball!”.

I'm pretty sure he's already said something similar already, but it sure bears repeating and with more emphasis.:wink:

His confidence is building and needs all good thoughts coming his way.

Everybody on board the Cesare train!!!

[XU-PA]

Yes....word is he puts ketchup on his hot dog.

With onions,,,, then he's good. Jersey Man!!!

[OTRMUSKIE]

I was very impressed with King Caesar! I thought he moved very well and is busting his ads out there. I do think our ceiling is Sweet 16 without Free but it’s better then what Steele gave us.

[boozehound]

I was very impressed with King Caesar! I thought he moved very well and is busting his ads out there. I do think our ceiling is Sweet 16 without Free but it’s better then what Steele gave us.

I think this team could make an Elite 8 or maybe even a Final 4. They could also lose the first game. It's the NCAA tournament, anything can happen, and we have shooters that can get hot (which is what would absolutely have to happen for us to make a deep run).

I don't think an Elite 8 or Final 4 is likely, just saying it's a possibility with this team.

[Smails]

I think this team could make an Elite 8 or maybe even a Final 4. They could also lose the first game. It's the NCAA tournament, anything can happen, and we have shooters that can get hot (which is what would absolutely have to happen for us to make a deep run).

I don't think an Elite 8 or Final 4 is likely, just saying it's a possibility with this team.

Yup yup...It's all about match ups from this point on. This team is very capable of ripping off 3-4 wins in a row against good teams, but a cold shooting night could mean an early exit. That's just March for ya

[HenryMuto]

I am out of the loop on this one. Does anyone know if there is any chance Freemantle will come back or is his season over and he will return next year ?

[Xavier]

He’s back next year. 3 foot surgeries already though. I hope it’s settled in but big man and foot issue doesn’t always add up.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No he isn't back this year, he is coming back next year.