2023 Returnees

[Masterofreality]

I am ABSOLUTELY not looking past this season and what’s to come, but a Tweet from Adam Baum this morning juiced this thread.
The Potential list of returnees next year is amazing! One can dream can’t one?
-Eligible to return with Covid Years
Jack Nunge
Zach Freemantle
Jerome Hunter
Colby Jones
Des Claude
Cam Kraft
KyKyTandy
Cesare Edwards
Elijah Tucker
Dieonte Miles
Plus the 3 new recruits

Souley and Kunk are definitely done.

Who will come back?
I think Jack is definitely leaving. I think he made a pact with his wife to play one more year, this one, and go make money after he got married last summer.
I just have this feeling that Zach, Jerome and Colby may want to run it back one more time with Sean. I could be dead wrong but fingers crossed!! Like I said. One can dream!

[X-man]

I am ABSOLUTELY not looking past this season and what’s to come, but a Tweet from Adam Baum this morning juiced this thread.
The Potential list of returnees next year is amazing! One can dream can’t one?
-Eligible to return with Covid Years
Jack Nunge
Zach Freemantle
Jerome Hunter
Colby Jones
Des Claude
Cam Kraft
KyKyTandy
Cesare Edwards
Elijah Tucker
Dieonte Miles
Plus the 3 new recruits

Souley and Kunk are definitely done.

Who will come back?
I think Jack is definitely leaving. I think he made a pact with his wife to play one more year, this one, and go make money after he got married last summer.
I just have this feeling that Zach, Jerome and Colby may want to run it back one more time with Sean. I could be dead wrong but fingers crossed!! Like I said. One can dream!

For once, I agree with you, MOR. Nunge goes, but the other three come back.

[Olsingledigit]

I am ABSOLUTELY not looking past this season and what’s to come, but a Tweet from Adam Baum this morning juiced this thread.
The Potential list of returnees next year is amazing! One can dream can’t one?
-Eligible to return with Covid Years
Jack Nunge
Zach Freemantle
Jerome Hunter
Colby Jones
Des Claude
Cam Kraft
KyKyTandy
Cesare Edwards
Elijah Tucker
Dieonte Miles
Plus the 3 new recruits

Souley and Kunk are definitely done.

Who will come back?
I think Jack is definitely leaving. I think he made a pact with his wife to play one more year, this one, and go make money after he got married last summer.
I just have this feeling that Zach, Jerome and Colby may want to run it back one more time with Sean. I could be dead wrong but fingers crossed!! Like I said. One can dream!

four new recruits, I believe.

[Xavier]

I see next year as a semi rebuilding year. Hard to say with transfer portal, but in saying that I think Freemantle/nunge/jones all leave. I’m not looking past this year. I’m really excited for the PG coming in next year and think Sean still will put a top 4 big East team together.

Just can’t see it being better than this year and that’s why those three leave. Hunter stays and is a leader next year.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

There was a post earlier this week quoting a service that identified Colby as a first round draft pick. Of course, that's speculation and a lot can change in the course of a season. Nevertheless, Colby's name is consistently linked with the NBA draft and I see zero (yes, zero) probability of him returning and passing up a shot to play at that level. To the extent NBA scouts tell Colby or possibly Free that another year at the collegiate level may make them more attractive, then they may stay. However, there seems to be no chance (based upon what I've read) that Colby is not drafted so I think he heads out after this year. Free maybe stays but if I were betting, I think he's gone too and Nunge has publicly stated that he wants to play overseas next year.

I do not see much potential to play for the names after Tandy and I think even Ky Ky's opportunity is a bit dicey. I would encourage them to transfer.

So, I'm with Xavier. Next year is "semi-rebuilding" but the transfer portal changes the expectation of what that term means. Miller has stated he's going to be looking for some big bodies up front. I think X will be a very attractive place and we will likely add some good players.

[Three Point Pete]

I would like to see Jerome next year. He reminds me of the 2007-2008 Jason Love.
Maybe he can have some of the same success.

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[xavierj]

There was a post earlier this week quoting a service that identified Colby as a first round draft pick. Of course, that's speculation and a lot can change in the course of a season. Nevertheless, Colby's name is consistently linked with the NBA draft and I see zero (yes, zero) probability of him returning and passing up a shot to play at that level. To the extent NBA scouts tell Colby or possibly Free that another year at the collegiate level may make them more attractive, then they may stay. However, there seems to be no chance (based upon what I've read) that Colby is not drafted so I think he heads out after this year. Free maybe stays but if I were betting, I think he's gone too and Nunge has publicly stated that he wants to play overseas next year.

I do not see much potential to play for the names after Tandy and I think even Ky Ky's opportunity is a bit dicey. I would encourage them to transfer.

So, I'm with Xavier. Next year is "semi-rebuilding" but the transfer portal changes the expectation of what that term means. Miller has stated he's going to be looking for some big bodies up front. I think X will be a very attractive place and we will likely add some good players.

I see Colby going as well and if he is getting late first round early 2nd feedback, he should. He needs to really turn it on though the rest of the year. I can actually see Zach return though. Europe will always be there for him and who knows maybe an NBA takes a chance on him as a free agent type thing. He has shown he can shoot the ball and could have a role somewhere with one more year of development with Sean and the strength coach to get stronger. I see at least two transfers coming in, if not more, with the 4 recruits already signed.

[XUGRAD80]

Of course we have no idea what is happening at practice or what the staff is telling individuals about their potential for playing time the rest of this year, or in the future. So when talking about the backups, it’s really hard to say who might or might not stay. However, it wouldn’t surprise me if Tucker, Miles, and Tandy all went into the portal. It also wouldn’t surprise me if any of them stayed, but I doubt that all of them will. Think that Edwards and Hunter will both stay. I also see Freemantle, Nunge, and Jones all leaving after this year. It’s time for them to move on and start making some real money playing the game. They could all stay, but I highly doubt it.

The returning roster could easily be just:
Hunter
Edwards
Claude
Kraft

4 freshman recruits

A number of transfers 2-3-4? How many may depend on if one or more of the 3 backups returns. Miles being local may be the most likely. He could return, get his degree and still have a year left to go play somewhere else. Or maybe he finishes his degree work over the summer and leaves to play elsewhere for 2 years? Who knows? Same goes for Tandy. I see no scenario where Tucker stays.

It will most likely be a rebuilding year, but those can be fun too.

[Xville]

Not at practice so I don’t know but based on the fact that miller only plays them in absolute dire situations or not at all, I’d be shocked if miles, Tucker, Edwards are on the roster next year. Think we have seen enough to understand that Mike’s and Edwards can’t play at this level.

I’ll also be extremely surprised if free, jones come back. What would be the reason for them wanting to? Go make your money gentlemen.

Should get some great transfers in along with the recruits… I for one expect to see an almost complete overhaul of the roster next year.

[xukeith]

Every end of season for past 5 years has had similar predictions for multiple players to transfer. It commonly is stated that "these players who don't play much will likely transfer".

But other than Ben Stanley and Odom, everybody returned for this season.
And surprisingly the 2021 off-season didn't have many players transfer.
Same could be said for 2020 and 2019 offseason. For whatever the reason, X retained a good amount of players who didn't paly much.

[drudy23]

I think Sean puts his stamp on the roster next year. I think players that get limited minutes like KyKy, Edwards, Tucker and Miles will be gone. Nunge, Free, Colby, and Hunter will return if they want to. Will probably see a couple stay and a couple go. I know the draft boards have Colby creeping in the first round - but I'm skeptical. At a minimum, he's making alot of money in Europe. Probably all of those 4 will.

Cam Kraft will get his shot next year, as will the new recruits. They will absolutely need his shooting. Claude will be have an expanded role undoubtedly in the starting line-up. The transfer portal will fill the gaps.

"Rebuilding year" should not be in the vocabulary anymore. Same expectations of making the tournament and periodic runs should exist for everyone. I can guarantee you Sean expects this and will to get us a roster to get us there.

A deep tournament run this year will further open up the transfer interest. The obvious need in my eyes will be more shooters - losing Kunk and Souley is huge from an outside threat perspective.

[xu82]

I think Sean puts his stamp on the roster next year. I think players that get limited minutes like KyKy, Edwards, Tucker and Miles will be gone. Nunge, Free, Colby, and Hunter will return if they want to. Will probably see a couple stay and a couple go. I know the draft boards have Colby creeping in the first round - but I'm skeptical. At a minimum, he's making alot of money in Europe. Probably all of those 4 will.

Cam Kraft will get his shot next year, as will the new recruits. They will absolutely need his shooting. Claude will be have an expanded role undoubtedly in the starting line-up. The transfer portal will fill the gaps.

"Rebuilding year" should not be in the vocabulary anymore. Same expectations of making the tournament and periodic runs should exist for everyone. I can guarantee you Sean expects this and will to get us a roster to get us there.

A deep tournament run this year will further open up the transfer interest. The obvious need in my eyes will be more shooters - losing Kunk and Colby is huge from an outside threat perspective.

I 100% agree with the bold. Turning it around quickly and a nice tournament run would help Sean sell the program immensely!

[XUGRAD80]

There’s nothing wrong with saying rebuilding, when that’s exactly what it is. The reason that it is rebuilding and not reloading is because of where the roster is. There just aren’t quality underclassmen on the roster right now that are probably coming back, other than Claude and possibly Kraft. The others….Miles, Tandy, Tucker, and maybe Edwards…are misses. (I still have some hope that Edwards can develop, and think that he will be back.) They will have to rebuild using the transfer portal and the freshman class. But even if they bring in 4 new all-American transfers they still have to be built into a cohesive TEAM. Give Miller another year or so to get the recruiting pipeline up and rolling and they can go back to reloading again, but there have been a few years of missed classes (other than 2 players) and it will take a little time for them to overcome that. Let’s remember that 4 of their current top 6 players are transfers!

[zippin']

I think Nunge, Jones, and Freemantle are all gone assuming some NIL situation doesn't come up. Depending on how the season ends for Hunter I think that could go either way. Claude I would have to assume will come back, and I hope that's true for Kraft as well and he isn't mad about playing time. Not sure what to think of Tandy, Edwards, Tucker, and Miles. Those guys may as well transfer since they basically have gotten no playing time.

[Masterofreality]

If someone holds a gun to my head, like some on this board would love to, I think that Elijah and Dieonte will leave with a 50/50 or more chance that Cam does to. He’s getting zero time now in a situation where we REALLY could use some depth and Sean obviously recruited over him with Ducharme, who seems to be the exact same player. Plus he will be “Sean’s guy”.
I know Dionte wants to stay close to home but I could see him easily reuniting with The Former Guy in Oxford or going to NKY. Size is always in demand so I doubt he would have a problem finding a home.
Edwards is at least getting a look, but only in necessity. At this point, I think KyKy stays. I’m still bullish on Jerome and Colby staying. Zach? Hard to tell.

[Three Point Pete]

I hope Ducharme is going to be ready. He would be IMO a replacement for Colby. I mean the regular Colby, not the NIT Ray Allen clone Jones.
He is a good defenders and a shooter.

Edwards might blossom with Miller, I would like to see him work with Jerome, Des and Reid.

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[Xavier]

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"Rebuilding year" should not be in the vocabulary anymore. Same expectations of making the tournament and periodic runs should exist for everyone. I can guarantee you Sean expects this and will to get us a roster to get us there.

A deep tournament run this year will further open up the transfer interest. The obvious need in my eyes will be more shooters - losing Kunk and Colby is huge from an outside threat perspective.

The expectation is always making the tournament. Rebuilding year as in not expecting much once you do. That’s a semi rebuilding year in my eyes.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I know the draft boards have Colby creeping in the first round - but I'm skeptical. At a minimum, he's making alot of money in Europe. Probably all of those 4 will.

A lot can obviously happen rest of season, tournament, combines, etc. but I looked at 5 mock drafts just now all done this month, and 4 out of the 5 have Colby as a 1st round pick. Highest was #22, lowest (and only 2nd rd) was 38. The average number of all 5 was 27.8. So definitely borderline 1st at this point but probably hard to resist if that close. Never know though. Would love to see him come back.

[sirthought]

Unless there is an issue we are unaware of, I see no reason that Craft would leave.

All freshmen who don't play much are upset, but he knows he's up against guys with much more experience and time in the system. He knows it takes time to crack the lineup, much less become a starter.

And his fellow frosh happens to be accelerating both physically and on the court in a way Craft isn't.

That doesn't mean Miller can't help Craft develop into a good four year player.

He's learned the system and style. That's valuable even if next year's freshmen are really talented. With the two main guards leaving after this year he's due to compete.

Other players brag about him hitting shots really well in practice, so I'm guessing it's an adjustment to the size and speed. That can take a while, but he'll get stronger and learn how to handle the ball and defend better. Seems premature to think he's out the door.

[xukeith]

Can Claude follow in Jones' steps and be a better shooter, better rebounder, and better overall guard than Colby by Claude's junior year?
They both look in control comfortable with the ball.

[Xavier]

Can he? I fully expect him to. As for Jones- found it interesting his post game comments regarding seeing his buddy Kunkel emotional at sr night. Something along the lines of “it’s hard knowing this is his last game in the arena and he won’t be here with us next year”

Do I think he is announcing he is coming back? No. But the way he said it with no hesitation just made me think it’s still up in the air. He isn’t committed either way

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

If someone holds a gun to my head, like some on this board would love to, I think that Elijah and Dieonte will leave with a 50/50 or more chance that Cam does to. He’s getting zero time now in a situation where we REALLY could use some depth and Sean obviously recruited over him with Ducharme, who seems to be the exact same player. Plus he will be “Sean’s guy”.
I know Dionte wants to stay close to home but I could see him easily reuniting with The Former Guy in Oxford or going to NKY. Size is always in demand so I doubt he would have a problem finding a home.
Edwards is at least getting a look, but only in necessity. At this point, I think KyKy stays. I’m still bullish on Jerome and Colby staying. Zach? Hard to tell.

Don't think Cam leaves and don't view recruitment of Ducharme as a rejection of Craft----always need shooters and Craft has shown he can shoot. I don't see a role for KyKy but hope he finds a spot somewhere. Colby surely is gone. The risk of career ending injury looms much larger when he seems to have a pretty good chance to be drafted. If he is going to be drafted why, on earth, would he risk coming back?

I have been down on Edwards but see more potential in him the last few games. He appeared to be playing with confidence last night until he was pulled after that ridiculous call giving him his third foul. Jerome, I think, will stay and play an even bigger role. Would folks agree that Hunter is next year's S.A.K.?

Free----who knows?

Cannot wait to see our new Freshman P.G. I think he starts and runs offense from day one.

Very interested to see who Miller brings in from the transfer portal. Number One priority has to be an Aircraft Carrier---a Sanogo type player to anchor the frontcourt.

[Masterofreality]

Don't think Cam leaves and don't view recruitment of Ducharme as a rejection of Craft----always need shooters and Craft has shown he can shoot. I don't see a role for KyKy but hope he finds a spot somewhere. Colby surely is gone. The risk of career ending injury looms much larger when he seems to have a pretty good chance to be drafted. If he is going to be drafted why, on earth, would he risk coming back?

I have been down on Edwards but see more potential in him the last few games. He appeared to be playing with confidence last night until he was pulled after that ridiculous call giving him his third foul. Jerome, I think, will stay and play an even bigger role. Would folks agree that Hunter is next year's S.A.K.?

Free----who knows?

Cannot wait to see our new Freshman P.G. I think he starts and runs offense from day one.

Very interested to see who Miller brings in from the transfer portal. Number One priority has to be an Aircraft Carrier---a Sanogo type player to anchor the frontcourt.

Yeah, I’ve changed on Colby. He’s going to The League. He’s just scratching his upside.
This then “may” open a door for Cam to stay. I’m convinced Jerome is back. I hear if Jack can round up enough NIL money then he will stay. He loves school, Sean and this team and rounding up enough bucks will satisfy his wife to stick around. Cesare is finally carving out a place on this team. Remember how we used to talk about Player Development?
Free is a total wild card, as he always seems to be. There are reasons for that that I really cannot disclose.

[Xavier]

I’d love for X to snag the combo guard from New Zealand, Dontae Russo-Nance. He seems to have a good game, visited X in December. He might reclassify and be able to come next year, otherwise going to Oak Hills. 6’4- can really shoot the ball and drive a little. Think him and green as the backcourt future would be fantastic mixed in with Claude. Would definitely be small but could see all three on the court at once. As for Nance- Gonzaga has also shown interest as well as Louisville.


*all my analysis of Nance is on a handful of highlight clips. : )

[noteggs]

I get the Colby and Des comparisons at this point of their respective careers. Solid D, good drivers, and needs/needed work on outside 3’s. One big difference is Des being a true PG.

If his shot continues to improve, look out! Especially if Green comes in as advertised. Sean has said he would like to play two shooting PG’s at the same time.

[UCGRAD4X]

So, what do you think the over/under is for Miller in the portal for next year?

Without knowing (for sure) who is leaving besides Boum and Kunk. I'm thinking 2.5

[Masterofreality]

So, what do you think the over/under is for Miller in the portal for next year?

Without knowing (for sure) who is leaving besides Boum and Kunk. I'm thinking 2.5

We only get 1/2 a player???? :-)
If only half, give me one who is 14 feet tall!!
I actually think 2 Portal, 1 International plus our 3 new recruits. I haven’t done the math but I also figure 1 gone to the Draft, one transfer, the three signed recruits.

[XU_Lou]

We only get 1/2 a player???? :-)
If only half, give me one who is 14 feet tall!!
I actually think 2 Portal, 1 International plus our 3 new recruits. I haven’t done the math but I also figure 1 gone to the Draft, one transfer, the three signed recruits.

We have 4 recruits: Green, Ducharme, Swain and Nzeh.

With those 4, and with Kunk and Boum gone for sure, we would have 14 guys on scholly next year, assuming nothing else changes.

With the Covid 5-year rule in place, I have no idea how many schollies are allowed....

[xukeith]

Miller will get 2 transfers, one guard, and probably one big man.

[Masterofreality]

We have 4 recruits: Green, Ducharme, Swain and Nzeh.

With those 4, and with Kunk and Boum gone for sure, we would have 14 guys on scholly next year, assuming nothing else changes.

With the Covid 5-year rule in place, I have no idea how many schollies are allowed....

I think 13 is still the limit on scholarships. And correct. Forgot about Nzeh. 4

[XUGRAD80]

What Miles and Tucker do, as far as transferring out, will greatly affect the roster for next year. Nunge, Freemantle, and Jones are also question marks. We could see as many as 9 players leaving, but I really doubt that many are gone. If I had to give a prediction I’d say that Jones goes through the draft evaluation and comes bsck, and that Freemantle comes back too. I don’t see Craft going anywhere either. I see all 3 seniors leaving, along with Miles and Tucker. That’s 5 leaving and 4 freshman coming in, which leaves room for 1 transfer big to come in.

[bleedXblue]

Colby is gone. LOL. He's projected as a 1st rounder by just about every NBA draft projection site.. I expect we will only see Hunter and Claude for SURE come back.

Kraft (not sure he can play at this level)
Myles (gone and he honestly needs to play at a smaller school)
Edwards (maybe returns but I could see him leaving for a smaller school)
KyKy (gone)
Tucker (gone)
Freemantle (gone-would be shocked if he returns for a 5th year)

So the 4 frosh and Claude/Hunter return. Maybe Kraft and Edwards return. We need 4-5 MORE players I expect 1-2 more late frosh to join the class along with 3-4 transfers. Miller is going to be BUSY

[XUGRAD80]

Draft projection sites don’t actually draft players, do they? I’m not convinced that he is a 1st rounder just because some sites have him listed as such. Based on his selection as a 2nd team all league player, I don’t think I’m the only one that feels that way either.

I had forgotten about Tandy, he may also be someone that leaves. I don’t see Edwards going anywhere after the way that he has played this last month. Nor do I think that Kraft leaves.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think Colby is gone.

I think Nunge is gone.

We know Kunk and Boum are gone.

I actually think Free may return now that we heard the surgery news. I imagine he will miss a lot of professional camps/tryouts/whatever and may want to rehab at X and give it another go. Could be way off base there.

The other guys it is so hard to predict who transfers. I think 100% thought Kyky was going to leave last year and he came back. Could not believe it.

I would think Tucker and Miles would want to leave but who knows?

Edwards and Craft I see both being back and contributing next year.

Did Miller give a walk on a scholly this year? Bob Nunge maybe? I seem to remember that, but could be wrong. Not getting that next year would open another scholarship opportunity.

Wouldn't want any other coach leading the program with what he may need to do roster wise for next year. Miller will get players who make this team competitive every year.

[xavierj]

Colby is gone. LOL. He's projected as a 1st rounder by just about every NBA draft projection site.. I expect we will only see Hunter and Claude for SURE come back.

Kraft (not sure he can play at this level)
Myles (gone and he honestly needs to play at a smaller school)
Edwards (maybe returns but I could see him leaving for a smaller school)
KyKy (gone)
Tucker (gone)
Freemantle (gone-would be shocked if he returns for a 5th year)

So the 4 frosh and Claude/Hunter return. Maybe Kraft and Edwards return. We need 4-5 MORE players I expect 1-2 more late frosh to join the class along with 3-4 transfers. Miller is going to be BUSY

Its Craft and yes he can play at this level. He is 6’6” and can shoot the lights out of the ball. It’s been an adjustment for him but Sean wants him back. An off-season in the weight room will make him a different player. He played at the highest of the highest levels in high school and did very well. He can play.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Its Craft and yes he can play at this level. He is 6’6” and can shoot the lights out of the ball. It’s been an adjustment for him but Sean wants him back. An off-season in the weight room will make him a different player. He played at the highest of the highest levels in high school and did very well. He can play.

Absolutely! I do not understand the chatter that he cannot play at this level. He has shown he can play. Has done it on the court. But he's a freshman. Give him just a little time and I think he is important player next season.

[nuts4xu]

Absolutely! I do not understand the chatter that he cannot play at this level.

There are a lot of posters on this board (and others) who think they are talent scouts and know basketball. I get it, you watch enough Xavier basketball, you think you can spot a "stud" (i hate this term, it's meant for a horse, not for a 18 year old young man playing a sport). But there is far more to these players than what we see in the 2+ hours of game time a few days a week.

I love Sean Miller, he is very calculated when using his words. I listen to what he says (or doesn't say) about a player far more than relying on what I see. The more I listened to what he had to say about Freemantle, it became clear, he wasn't going to play this season.

He has spoken very highly of Cesare Edwards in the past several weeks. I think he has plans for him and believe he will be back next season.

He has said more than once the only players that can't play next year are Boum and Kunkel. I think he will make a case to keep Nunge around next season.

NIL money changes everything. If they can make more money playing college ball than G-League or Europe, it makes it a legitimate option for guys like Freemantle. Tough to get drafted if he is recovering from surgery. Just ask Paul Scruggs.

[Masterofreality]

It’s also telling when Sean doesn’t mention a player at all. He has said zero all year about Elijah Tucker or Dionte Miles. In the context of this thread, as far as returnees, it’s hard to see them sticking around unless they are satisfied with end of the bench.

[Caveat]

NIL money & free medical care is going to keep Freemantle around one more year, IMO. The timing of his surgery is going to limit what he can do to earn a pro contract somewhere.

Even with Free coming back, Miller is going to need to go shopping in the portal for a big man -- preferably someone who enjoys the weight room and can be the kind of physical defensive presence around the rim that X hasn't had in a while.

[muskiefan82]

NIL money & free medical care is going to keep Freemantle around one more year, IMO. The timing of his surgery is going to limit what he can do to earn a pro contract somewhere.

Even with Free coming back, Miller is going to need to go shopping in the portal for a big man -- preferably someone who enjoys the weight room and can be the kind of physical defensive presence around the rim that X hasn't had in a while.

What about overseas? Any chatter about X looking at an international player?

[D-West & PO-Z]

What about overseas? Any chatter about X looking at an international player?

I would be surprised if it takes too long for us to get some overseas talent to X. Miller seemed to have a decent pipeline of guys while at Arizona.

[zippin']

Re: NIL money

Does anyone have any idea what X has to offer here? I've seen people saying we have nothing and then I see people saying we have a good amount.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Re: NIL money

Does anyone have any idea what X has to offer here? I've seen people saying we have nothing and then I see people saying we have a good amount.

Another poster in the Freemantle thread said he has heard some of our guys are making as much as $250,000 in NIL money this year.

[zippin']

Another poster in the Freemantle thread said he has heard some of our guys are making as much as $250,000 in NIL money this year.

I feel like that's pretty good right? I mean I don't expect X to be able to drop millions like some schools (cough Miami FL) but 250k seems good.

[xukeith]

I do not believe the $250k NIL amount. Just saying.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I feel like that's pretty good right? I mean I don't expect X to be able to drop millions like some schools (cough Miami FL) but 250k seems good.

I was shocked by that number, so yes, I think it true it is very good.

[Xuperman]

Another poster in the Freemantle thread said he has heard some of our guys are making as much as $250,000 in NIL money this year.

For what exactly? I mean are players literally being paid to do nothing? I see no X guys pitching anything or out signing stuff for cash. Can you buy a Colby Jones Xavier jersey?

[noteggs]

For what exactly? I mean are players literally being paid to do nothing? I see no X guys pitching anything or out signing stuff for cash. Can you buy a Colby Jones Xavier jersey?

Therein lies the problem with NIL. No guidelines or rules about services rendered for what money received. Seems like the Wild West out there.

I guess it’s like the more star power the more they can charge for their appearance? Only explanation I can come up with…

[Xuperman]

Therein lies the problem with NIL. No guidelines or rules about services rendered for what money received. Seems like the Wild West out there.

I guess it’s like the more star power the more they can charge for their appearance? Only explanation I can come up with…

What appearance? Name, image and likeness on what. I am not aware of any X players on anything, anywhere. No commercial spots, no autograph signings, no posters, no jerseys. What am I missing here. Is it really just deep pocket donors paying kids to play at their school? Nothing else required in return?

[Xavier]

For the most part, around the country, yes. Though I did see a bunch of the guys tweet about player cards lately. I’d guess that’s the “NIL” work around.

[noteggs]

What appearance? Name, image and likeness on what. I am not aware of any X players on anything, anywhere. No commercial spots, no autograph signings, no posters, no jerseys. What am I missing here. Is it really just deep pocket donors paying kids to play at their school? Nothing else required in return?

Honestly I don’t know. Corporate appearances and functions we don’t see?

[Xville]

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2022/10/20/xavier-basketball-new-nil-initiative-benefits-musketeer-players/69515920007/

https://opendorse.com/xavier-musketeers

https://www.on3.com/db/colby-jones-143116/nil-deals/


It’s extremely easy to find this stuff if you really care. Google is your friend

[Xuperman]

I'll stick with Colby Jones as an example. The kid is dynamic, personable and extremely good looking. Has to carry a can of "chick repellent" on campus I'm sure.

But even with all that, doesn't he need the XAVIER UNIVERSITY connection to sell anything? I mean even if he did a Skyline commercial for cash, wouldn't they want him in a Xavier Jersey? Would anybody buy a Colby Jones jersey if it didn't have an X on it?

[Xuperman]

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2022/10/20/xavier-basketball-new-nil-initiative-benefits-musketeer-players/69515920007/

https://opendorse.com/xavier-musketeers

https://www.on3.com/db/colby-jones-143116/nil-deals/


It’s extremely easy to find this stuff if you really care. Google is your friend

That stuff doesn't really say much, 'ville. Your last link states Jones doesn't have ANY NIL deals. Obviously, there are several ways for any popular player to make some side cash. But, isn't this crap just a legal "pay to play" deal?

[Xville]

That stuff doesn't really say much, 'ville. Your last link states Jones doesn't have ANY NIL deals. Obviously, there are several ways for any popular player to make some side cash. But, isn't this crap just a legal "pay to play" deal?

Barstool sports and cameo deals.. cameo is on a per transaction basis just like the shirts.

I’m not sure what exactly are you complaining about?

The one link speaks to the shirt marketplace and the other is the nil platform.

I’m not in town but I feel like I have seen billboards and/or heard commercial spots with Xavier players. That may be wrong though and im just thinking of players around here.

250k does sound a bit much for x but hell maybe not. The lsu gymnast is making something like 3 mil just for being hot.

[Masterofreality]

For the most part, around the country, yes. Though I did see a bunch of the guys tweet about player cards lately. I’d guess that’s the “NIL” work around.

Those player cards are sweet and NIL payment. I bought a set

[Caveat]

I do not believe the $250k NIL amount. Just saying.

I don't either.

That level of spend would be shocking, given the size of Xavier's donor base.

[Masterofreality]

I don’t either.
Word is that if Jack can get up to around $200k NIL money, he’ll come back for one more year.
C’mon Home City Ice & Joseph Auto Group, You need a spokesman!!
Jack being the “Big Bag” sounds perfect!

[Final4]

I don’t either.
Word is that if Jack can get up to around $200k NIL money, he’ll come back for one more year.
C’mon Home City Ice & Joseph Auto Group, You need a spokesman!!
Jack being the “Big Bag” sounds perfect!


Where did you hear that or is this another example of you simply making shit up. Much like Friday night when you proclaimed that Free would play on Saturday, “mark it”, only to reverse course on Saturday and state that he would be out for tonight. It seems that it’s really important to you to be perceived as someone who is “close to the program” and has sources no one else has access to.

[Xville]

Where did you hear that or is this another example of you simply making shit up. Much like Friday night when you proclaimed that Free would play on Saturday, “mark it”, only to reverse course on Saturday and state that he would be out for tonight. It seems that it’s really important to you to be perceived as someone who is “close to the program” and has sources no one else has access to.

Correct. Certainly strikes me as someone who says a lot on this board like he’s a big shot but yet is consistently wrong. Wrong about steele staying, wrong about miller, plays golf supposedly but had no idea what the metric around the green was, then when called out on it that he was wrong says well it’s not important though it was important enough to argue with me about it… on and on and on. Let’s see.. oh yeah UConn’s players were revolting and many were threatening transferring.

Another one was a prominent women’s assistant acc coach was going to be next in line at x… seems to have backed off that spouting of the mouth too.

[Masterofreality]

Where did you hear that or is this another example of you simply making shit up. Much like Friday night when you proclaimed that Free would play on Saturday, “mark it”, only to reverse course on Saturday and state that he would be out for tonight. It seems that it’s really important to you to be perceived as someone who is “close to the program” and has sources no one else has access to.

Uh, did you notice that EVERYBODY ELSE, said the same thing Friday, and I WAS THE FIRST ONE, to let everybody know, 5 hours before Baum, that Free wasn’t playing. Hey, man. Things changed, I know why but I’m not telling you why.
And yeah. I do have sources that many do not have access to and I’m not telling you who they are.
I don’t make iish up. Believe what you want troll.

Meanwhile, how about ante-ing up $200k and have Jack stay? You’ve got the big time donor seats that you’re bitching about moving from.

Just keep yelling at the cloud, old man.

[zippin']

Insert popcorn gif here

[Caveat]

Insert popcorn gif here

You know what's awesome? We can keep these arguments going until Thursday because we aren't playing on D1 of the BET.

[xukeith]

Does X allow 10-15 big $ donors access to the locker room post game?

[Final4]

Uh, did you notice that EVERYBODY ELSE, said the same thing Friday, and I WAS THE FIRST ONE, to let everybody know, 5 hours before Baum, that Free wasn’t playing. Hey, man. Things changed, I know why but I’m not telling you why.
And yeah. I do have sources that many do not have access to and I’m not telling you who they are.
I don’t make iish up. Believe what you want troll.

Meanwhile, how about ante-ing up $200k and have Jack stay? You’ve got the big time donor seats that you’re bitching about moving from.

Just keep yelling at the cloud, old man.


Oh I’m sure you have sources………I’m not suggesting that you make EVERYTHING up. But the problem is your sources are consistently wrong and thus you’re consistently wrong. It doesn’t appear that you are posting anonymously on this board as it seems others know who you are. What is your name? I would like to know if maybe we’ve met before.

[Masterofreality]

Oh I’m sure you have sources………I’m not suggesting that you make EVERYTHING up. But the problem is your sources are consistently wrong and thus you’re consistently wrong. It doesn’t appear that you are posting anonymously on this board as it seems others know who you are. What is your name? I would like to know if maybe we’ve met before.

But they are not consistently wrong. Things change in minutes sometimes. If you don’t think that can happen, no one can help you. You can’t even keep your facts straight. I don’t post anywhere near the amount of stuff I’m told. And if I’m told something credibly and it changes I try to correct it asap on here. The Steele thing last year happened at the highest levels and didn’t filter down until later. That wasn’t ground level like other things are.
I have no reason to make anything up. The people who count know who I am. I’ve given plenty of clues. You don’t count.

[xavierj]

I do not believe the $250k NIL amount. Just saying.

Well people close to the program have said otherwise and is $3 million that much? I would imagine Xavier has some boosters with businesses with plenty of money to provide for at least that. I would expect with this years success, more NIL money will come into the program. Xavier is in the business of taking care of guys in the program, they won’t play that game for recruits though from what I understand. Prove your worth so to speak. One other thing. If NIL money wasn’t competitive, I don’t think Jones or Freemantle would have returned. Bama wanted Jones and he chose to stay with Xavier.

[Final4]

But they are not consistently wrong. Things change in minutes sometimes. If you don’t think that can happen, no one can help you. You can’t even keep your facts straight. I don’t post anywhere near the amount of stuff I’m told. And if I’m told something credibly and it changes I try to correct it asap on here. The Steele thing last year happened at the highest levels and didn’t filter down until later. That wasn’t ground level like other things are.
I have no reason to make anything up. The people who count know who I am. I’ve given plenty of clues. You don’t count.


OK, I’ll acknowledge that you’re the Woodward/Bernstein of Xavier basketball. You have virtually unlimited access to all the minutiae surrounding the program. Therefore you must be able to answer this question for me. What is Miller’s housing situation in Cincinnati and is he and Travis neighbors?

[Masterofreality]

OK, I’ll acknowledge that you’re the Woodward/Bernstein of Xavier basketball. You have virtually unlimited access to all the minutiae surrounding the program. Therefore you must be able to answer this question for me. What is Miller’s housing situation in Cincinnati and is he and Travis neighbors?

I have no damn idea and I don’t care.
Does that have anything to do with Xavier Basketball performance?
Nah.
“Hey let’s throw a hook with a Red Herring attached to it! He’ll bite!! “
Uh uh. Not playing. Bad call troll.

[IM4X]

Colby is gone. LOL. He's projected as a 1st rounder by just about every NBA draft projection site.. I expect we will only see Hunter and Claude for SURE come back.

Kraft (not sure he can play at this level)
Myles (gone and he honestly needs to play at a smaller school)
Edwards (maybe returns but I could see him leaving for a smaller school)
KyKy (gone)
Tucker (gone)
Freemantle (gone-would be shocked if he returns for a 5th year)

So the 4 frosh and Claude/Hunter return. Maybe Kraft and Edwards return. We need 4-5 MORE players I expect 1-2 more late frosh to join the class along with 3-4 transfers. Miller is going to be BUSY

Not so sure.

While it may seem like a no-brainer that Colby is heading to the NBA, I’m not a 100% convinced. He made a comment about it being Nunge, Kunkel and BoumÂ’s last time playing at Cintas. He said it as if he would be back- my immediate thought was - hmm… maybe he has a solid NIL in place for next season and he is going to stick around for another year.

I feel like Edwards has turned a corner and I’d a legit option at this level (even if it is not as a starter).

I have a gut feeling Zack Freemantle is coming back. He has shown he is capable of being a special player- deserving of more recognition - and a full season of him playing at the level he was starting to reach before his injure would do wonders for him. X would benefit by him returning and I think he would benefit by returning to X next season.

I have no idea what the real story is with Tandy and Craft. There appears to be some real potential in both, but it’s just not clear if they are the type of players who have the will and tenacity to fight through injuries and rough patches and eventually elevate their game enough to earn a bigger role on the roster. maybe there is still hope.

I wish we were seeing more from Miles and Tucker. I’d be completely happy with those two sticking around if Miller feels there are enough scholarships to go around.

I would love to see and could see a situation where everyone who is eligible to stay does (especially those who are part of that top 7/8 rotation)

Colby
Jack
Zach
Jerome
Claude
Edwards
+
Craft
Tandy
Miles or
Tucker
+
4 Freshman
+
A prove Big from the portal (if Nunge and/ or Free does not return)

[MHettel]

Not so sure.

While it may seem like a no-brainer that Colby is heading to the NBA, I’m not a 100% convinced. He made a comment about it being Nunge, Kunkel and BoumÂ’s last time playing at Cintas. He said it as if he would be back- my immediate thought was - hmm… maybe he has a solid NIL in place for next season and he is going to stick around for another year.

I feel like Edwards has turned a corner and I’d a legit option at this level (even if it is not as a starter).

I have a gut feeling Zack Freemantle is coming back. He has shown he is capable of being a special player- deserving of more recognition - and a full season of him playing at the level he was starting to reach before his injure would do wonders for him. X would benefit by him returning and I think he would benefit by returning to X next season.

I have no idea what the real story is with Tandy and Craft. There appears to be some real potential in both, but it’s just not clear if they are the type of players who have the will and tenacity to fight through injuries and rough patches and eventually elevate their game enough to earn a bigger role on the roster. maybe there is still hope.

I wish we were seeing more from Miles and Tucker. I’d be completely happy with those two sticking around if Miller feels there are enough scholarships to go around.

I would love to see and could see a situation where everyone who is eligible to stay does (especially those who are part of that top 7/8 rotation)

Colby
Jack
Zach
Jerome
Claude
Edwards
+
Craft
Tandy
Miles or
Tucker
+
4 Freshman
+
A prove Big from the portal (if Nunge and/ or Free does not return)
Yeah….no.

Colby is gonna cash in for millions instead of risking injuries for 6 figures.

I give Nunge 20% chance of returning. Free is 50%. Hunter is 60%. All three….5%.

I expect 3 completely new faces in key positions next year

[Xville]

Colby—-2 million vs maybe 200k. Tough choice

Jack—- maybe a 5% chance. He’s married and 40. Probably time to leave the nest.

I expect 3 or 4 new players on top of the freshmen coming in.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Yeah….no.

Colby is gonna cash in for millions instead of risking injuries for 6 figures.

I give Nunge 20% chance of returning. Free is 50%. Hunter is 60%. All three….5%.

I expect 3 completely new faces in key positions next year

Yup. But I don't think Free is even as high as 50%. Seems like he's gone otherwise would be playing. As for MOR, appreciate his insights and in his defense, his calls have been accurate. Free's situation feels like a last-minute change. X told Rothstein he's cleared and there was no buzz around Free not playing. Then, suddenly, he's not. Tough to know what's in a young person's mind.

[Masterofreality]

I have no insight here, surprising(?) :-)
But if Colby gets all the feedback going through the NBA evaluations that he’s a first round pick, as much as he loves Xavier- and he does- he’s gone, and should be with our thanks.
I’m standing by what I posted about Jack Nunge.
There is a fly in Free’s ointment that makes any prediction moot. That’s all I can say.
I’m personally confident that Jerome, Claude, Cesare & KyKy will return.
I also personally think that Elijah & Dionte would be Basketball wise better transferring, unless they just love riding the bench at X.
And Cam? I just can’t get away from the Reid “ recruits over him” scenario. Maybe he stays and competes? Maybe he sees handwriting?
I really don’t know. I could imagine a scenario where 1-2-3 guys transfer to Oxford but that is spec only.

[XUBison]

Correct. Certainly strikes me as someone who says a lot on this board like he’s a big shot but yet is consistently wrong. Wrong about steele staying, wrong about miller, plays golf supposedly but had no idea what the metric around the green was, then when called out on it that he was wrong says well it’s not important though it was important enough to argue with me about it… on and on and on. Let’s see.. oh yeah UConn’s players were revolting and many were threatening transferring.

Another one was a prominent women’s assistant acc coach was going to be next in line at x… seems to have backed off that spouting of the mouth too.

Hey, he got to ride the (short) bus once to a game in Indy. Very important.

[Masterofreality]

Hey, he got to ride the (short) bus once to a game in Indy. Very important.

Incorrect. Twice to Indy. :-)

[XUGRAD80]

On the other hand…if Colby goes through all of the NBA evaluations and team workouts, and is told by NBA PEOPLE that he is NOT a 1st rounder, or is at BEST a late 1st rounder, what then?

They’re been countless college players that have listened to the “experts” who were NOT actual NBA scouts, coaches, or front office personal tell them that they should be 1st rounders, and have stayed in the draft only to not hear their name called. Unless the actual NBA people tell him that he will be a for sure 1st rounder, he shouldn’t close the door to returning.

I’ve seen his name in projections as a 1st rounder, but generally as a late 1st rounder. That can often become a 2nd rounder, and only the 1st round is a guaranteed contract, right?

[Xville]

On the other hand…if Colby goes through all of the NBA evaluations and team workouts, and is told by NBA PEOPLE that he is NOT a 1st rounder, or is at BEST a late 1st rounder, what then?

They’re been countless college players that have listened to the “experts” who were NOT actual NBA scouts, coaches, or front office personal tell them that they should be 1st rounders, and have stayed in the draft only to not hear their name called. Unless the actual NBA people tell him that he will be a for sure 1st rounder, he shouldn’t close the door to returning.

I’ve seen his name in projections as a 1st rounder, but generally as a late 1st rounder. That can often become a 2nd rounder, and only the 1st round is a guaranteed contract, right?

Correct that only 1st rounders are guaranteed to have guaranteed contracts but I saw a study from 2019 that the majority of 2nd rounders are as well. 91 of 132 over a six year span. Some are two years, some one. I guess my question back would be what benefit would it be for Colby to stay? He was told to work on his shot, he did.. to the tune of a 40% 3 pt shooter. I don’t think he has anything else to prove. He’s either good enough to play at the next level or he’s not at this point, might as well figure it out and not “waste” another year.

[xavierj]

I have no insight here, surprising(?) :-)
But if Colby gets all the feedback going through the NBA evaluations that he’s a first round pick, as much as he loves Xavier- and he does- he’s gone, and should be with our thanks.
I’m standing by what I posted about Jack Nunge.
There is a fly in Free’s ointment that makes any prediction moot. That’s all I can say.
I’m personally confident that Jerome, Claude, Cesare & KyKy will return.
I also personally think that Elijah & Dionte would be Basketball wise better transferring, unless they just love riding the bench at X.
And Cam? I just can’t get away from the Reid “ recruits over him” scenario. Maybe he stays and competes? Maybe he sees handwriting?
I really don’t know. I could imagine a scenario where 1-2-3 guys transfer to Oxford but that is spec only.

Curious, other than both being white, why does Reid impact Craft? They really are different players. Reid will be a 2 and Craft a 3. Sean has high hopes for Craft and he will be a good one down the road. You can’t teach 6’6” and knock down shooter. His issue was just not getting the defense this year. That will come.

[Masterofreality]

Curious, other than both being white, why does Reid impact Craft? They really are different players. Reid will be a 2 and Craft a 3. Sean has high hopes for Craft and he will be a good one down the road. You can’t teach 6’6” and knock down shooter. His issue was just not getting the defense this year. That will come.

I really don’t think they ARE different players. BOTH of them are 6:6 and how do you say Craft is a 3 but Reid a 2? Seem like the same player to me. I haven’t seen Craft stick his nose on for rebounds or try to guard legit small forward. But somebody who follows this stuff closer should weigh in. They are both the same guy, aren’t they, or am I wrong?
I’m willing to listen. Tell us the difference.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Not so sure.

While it may seem like a no-brainer that Colby is heading to the NBA, I’m not a 100% convinced. He made a comment about it being Nunge, Kunkel and BoumÂ’s last time playing at Cintas. He said it as if he would be back- my immediate thought was - hmm… maybe he has a solid NIL in place for next season and he is going to stick around for another year.

I feel like Edwards has turned a corner and I’d a legit option at this level (even if it is not as a starter).

I have a gut feeling Zack Freemantle is coming back. He has shown he is capable of being a special player- deserving of more recognition - and a full season of him playing at the level he was starting to reach before his injure would do wonders for him. X would benefit by him returning and I think he would benefit by returning to X next season.

I have no idea what the real story is with Tandy and Craft. There appears to be some real potential in both, but it’s just not clear if they are the type of players who have the will and tenacity to fight through injuries and rough patches and eventually elevate their game enough to earn a bigger role on the roster. maybe there is still hope.

I wish we were seeing more from Miles and Tucker. I’d be completely happy with those two sticking around if Miller feels there are enough scholarships to go around.

I would love to see and could see a situation where everyone who is eligible to stay does (especially those who are part of that top 7/8 rotation)

Colby
Jack
Zach
Jerome
Claude
Edwards
+
Craft
Tandy
Miles or
Tucker
+
4 Freshman
+
A prove Big from the portal (if Nunge and/ or Free does not return)

I think you are dreaming if you think we have any shot to return every player eligible to return. You might be able to make a case for any one indivdual guy you think will stay, but all of them? I can't see it.

Colby can likely be a 1st rd pick and make millions, no NIL deal will come close to that. It seems to me he has more to lose than gain by coming back. Although if he goes through the process and gets feedback he isn't 1st round, that is a different story.

I don't know why we are lumping Craft and KyKy together. KyKy has been here 4 years and has shown now, under two coaches, he doesnt have much to offer at this level. Craft is a freshman who isn't getting much time, behind 3 other really good guards. Taking anything away from this season and predicting what Craft will or wont be is foolish imo.

[xavierj]

I really don’t think they ARE different players. BOTH of them are 6:6 and how do you say Craft is a 3 but Reid a 2? Seem like the same player to me. I haven’t seen Craft stick his nose on for rebounds or try to guard legit small forward. But somebody who follows this stuff closer should weigh in. They are both the same guy, aren’t they, or am I wrong?
I’m willing to listen. Tell us the difference.

They are different. Craft is actually taller. Xavier coaches see him more as the Colby role. they are of course different players but he project to eventually be able to guard and play that 3 role where he can also help with rebounding. Reid is more of a guard who can drive and pass and be a good shooter off the dribble and off a pass and also is a good ball handler with court vision. My guess is that Sean would like to be able to play two guards together down the road who are a threat to shoot from deep to play along Claude and Green. Looking at that it’s one or the other is silly. Not saying they will both start right away but I am about 90% certain Craft is in Sean’s future plans. He even said before the injury that Craft was getting better and would play more. His knee injury hurt him of course as he played well against St. John’s. Had 8 points and 4 rebounds in 9 minutes. I think we may see him in the BET as Sean said he is available. But he was a high level recruit for a reason but he is a freshman and it’s not unusual for freshman to struggle.

[Xavier]

Yeah….no.

Colby is gonna cash in for millions instead of risking injuries for 6 figures.

I give Nunge 20% chance of returning. Free is 50%. Hunter is 60%. All three….5%.

I expect 3 completely new faces in key positions next year

I haven’t thought for a second that Hunter wouldn’t be back. Unless he’s convinced he can get good money in Europe- he’s benefited the most from Sean’s coaching. He’s the only guy whose stock can rise significantly (for overseas) with another year under Miller. I think the only way Nunge stays is if he doesn’t want to go the Europe route after college and can make $100,000+ by staying another year.

I mentioned it earlier but would love for Nance to commit and reclassify to next year. Him/Green would be a strong backcourt to lead X with Claude

[XUGRAD80]

Correct that only 1st rounders are guaranteed to have guaranteed contracts but I saw a study from 2019 that the majority of 2nd rounders are as well. 91 of 132 over a six year span. Some are two years, some one. I guess my question back would be what benefit would it be for Colby to stay? He was told to work on his shot, he did.. to the tune of a 40% 3 pt shooter. I don’t think he has anything else to prove. He’s either good enough to play at the next level or he’s not at this point, might as well figure it out and not “waste” another year.

I completely agree that IF Colby goes through the process and gets all the feedback from the NBA people that he’s going to get that guaranteed contract as a 1st rounder, or even as a high 2nd rounder, he will be gone. I’m just saying that just because people OUTSIDE the actual NBA say he is a 1st rounder, that doesn’t make it true. I don’t think that we need to go back any further than Scruggs, Naji, or Blueitt to see that projections aren’t the same as actuals. Xavier has had a lot of really really good players over the last 10-20 years, but who was the last 1st round draft pick they have had? West? Posey? I really can’t remember for sure who it was. Are we saying that Jones is one of the all time great players that X has had? I think he is a really good all round player. But is he GREAT at anything particular? I look at NBA 1st rounders and see either a young player with unlimited potential, or an extremely gifted athlete, or a player that has at least one special skill that he excels at….rebounding, defense, shooting, etc. I don’t see that in Jones. He’s very good at a lot of things, he’s not great at any one thing. Can he become a solid NBA player? I think so. A star? I doubt it. But general managers generally only get one chance a year to pick a potential “franchise player”. I don’t see Jones ever being that kind of player. At least he hasn’t shown it thus far in college. I kinda think that if the NBA people don’t think he has the potential to be a starter and a valuable piece of a championship team that they aren’t going to spend a 1st round pick on him. Maybe their will be a team that thinks he has that kind of potential, but I just don’t see it myself. For his sake, I hope I’m wrong. Possibly another year in college and he will develop into a dominate player?

[Masterofreality]

They are different. Craft is actually taller. Xavier coaches see him more as the Colby role. they are of course different players but he project to eventually be able to guard and play that 3 role where he can also help with rebounding. Reid is more of a guard who can drive and pass and be a good shooter off the dribble and off a pass and also is a good ball handler with court vision. My guess is that Sean would like to be able to play two guards together down the road who are a threat to shoot from deep to play along Claude and Green. Looking at that it’s one or the other is silly. Not saying they will both start right away but I am about 90% certain Craft is in Sean’s future plans. He even said before the injury that Craft was getting better and would play more. His knee injury hurt him of course as he played well against St. John’s. Had 8 points and 4 rebounds in 9 minutes. I think we may see him in the BET as Sean said he is available. But he was a high level recruit for a reason but he is a freshman and it’s not unusual for freshman to struggle.

They are both listed at 6:6, but I’ll defer to you on this but Trey Green is gonna be taking a LOT of court time and Des isn’t going anywhere. I’m just gonna remain doubtful. Time will tell

[MHettel]

I completely agree that IF Colby goes through the process and gets all the feedback from the NBA people that he’s going to get that guaranteed contract as a 1st rounder, or even as a high 2nd rounder, he will be gone. I’m just saying that just because people OUTSIDE the actual NBA say he is a 1st rounder, that doesn’t make it true. I don’t think that we need to go back any further than Scruggs, Naji, or Blueitt to see that projections aren’t the same as actuals. Xavier has had a lot of really really good players over the last 10-20 years, but who was the last 1st round draft pick they have had? West? Posey? I really can’t remember for sure who it was. Are we saying that Jones is one of the all time great players that X has had? I think he is a really good all round player. But is he GREAT at anything particular? I look at NBA 1st rounders and see either a young player with unlimited potential, or an extremely gifted athlete, or a player that has at least one special skill that he excels at….rebounding, defense, shooting, etc. I don’t see that in Jones. He’s very good at a lot of things, he’s not great at any one thing. Can he become a solid NBA player? I think so. A star? I doubt it. But general managers generally only get one chance a year to pick a potential “franchise player”. I don’t see Jones ever being that kind of player. At least he hasn’t shown it thus far in college. I kinda think that if the NBA people don’t think he has the potential to be a starter and a valuable piece of a championship team that they aren’t going to spend a 1st round pick on him. Maybe their will be a team that thinks he has that kind of potential, but I just don’t see it myself. For his sake, I hope I’m wrong. Possibly another year in college and he will develop into a dominate player?

Paragraphs…..

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I really don’t think they ARE different players. BOTH of them are 6:6 and how do you say Craft is a 3 but Reid a 2? Seem like the same player to me. I haven’t seen Craft stick his nose on for rebounds or try to guard legit small forward. But somebody who follows this stuff closer should weigh in. They are both the same guy, aren’t they, or am I wrong?
I’m willing to listen. Tell us the difference.

I don't follow this stuff closely-----certainly, not more closely than you. But ignorance has never been (nor should it ever be) a disqualifier on this board. Having just sung your praises earlier this A.M., on the ZFree soap opera, I think you whiffed, a la former Indian Strikeout King Bob Chance, on this Craft/Ducharme thing. I see physical similarities but that doesn't mean they have similar games. Craft has, by the way, shown a knack for rebounding. And he can shoot. And he's 6'6" as another poster noted. And, even if their styles are exactly the same, we need multiple players who can shoot. Injuries happen. Players have a screw come loose. We need depth.

Plenty of room on next year's roster for both. If Craft leaves, we can blame you (because of your substantial influence on this board) for scaring him off. You will have to bear that cross the entire off-season.

[Xuperman]

I really don’t think they ARE different players. BOTH of them are 6:6 and how do you say Craft is a 3 but Reid a 2? Seem like the same player to me. I haven’t seen Craft stick his nose on for rebounds or try to guard legit small forward. But somebody who follows this stuff closer should weigh in. They are both the same guy, aren’t they, or am I wrong?
I’m willing to listen. Tell us the difference.

What's wrong with 2? Besides it's likely that 1 or Both will end up a couple inches taller, and certainly add weight/muscle if that is the desired outcome. It would not be any surprise to get a 6'8" 230ish guy.....like a former notable Creighton guy.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I completely agree that IF Colby goes through the process and gets all the feedback from the NBA people that he’s going to get that guaranteed contract as a 1st rounder, or even as a high 2nd rounder, he will be gone. I’m just saying that just because people OUTSIDE the actual NBA say he is a 1st rounder, that doesn’t make it true. I don’t think that we need to go back any further than Scruggs, Naji, or Blueitt to see that projections aren’t the same as actuals. Xavier has had a lot of really really good players over the last 10-20 years, but who was the last 1st round draft pick they have had? West? Posey? I really can’t remember for sure who it was. Are we saying that Jones is one of the all time great players that X has had? I think he is a really good all round player. But is he GREAT at anything particular? I look at NBA 1st rounders and see either a young player with unlimited potential, or an extremely gifted athlete, or a player that has at least one special skill that he excels at….rebounding, defense, shooting, etc. I don’t see that in Jones. He’s very good at a lot of things, he’s not great at any one thing. Can he become a solid NBA player? I think so. A star? I doubt it. But general managers generally only get one chance a year to pick a potential “franchise player”. I don’t see Jones ever being that kind of player. At least he hasn’t shown it thus far in college. I kinda think that if the NBA people don’t think he has the potential to be a starter and a valuable piece of a championship team that they aren’t going to spend a 1st round pick on him. Maybe their will be a team that thinks he has that kind of potential, but I just don’t see it myself. For his sake, I hope I’m wrong. Possibly another year in college and he will develop into a dominate player?

A couple things to unpack here.

1. No NBA team drafting outside of the top 5ish (some years more, some less) picks is thinking they are drafting a "franchise player". They are looking for guys who can contribute and find a role on the team.

2. You are confusing best Xavier players ever (or best college players) with best NBA potential or good NBA players. No one thinks Naji Marshall was a better college player than Tu Holloway or Trevon Bluiett. Only Naji has found a role in the NBA.

3. I don't think I ever saw a mock that had Scruggs or Bluiett as a 1s rounder, can't recall Naji either, but maybe earlier in his college career as a projection.

4. A lot of the guys doing mocks don't throw them together with no input from NBA sources. However, it will be important for Colby to hear this from the NBA after going through the process. He would be smart to keep his options open, but I think he is going to hear what he wants, and enter the draft.

Sumner was our last player drafted (2017), Crawford was our last player drafted in the 1st round (2010).

[ThrowDownDBrown]

They are both listed at 6:6, but I’ll defer to you on this but Trey Green is gonna be taking a LOT of court time and Des isn’t going anywhere. I’m just gonna remain doubtful. Time will tell

Craft was a higher ranked recruit then Green and could barely get on the floor this year. Not sure why you're thinking/expecting Green to come in and take a lot of court time as a freshman pg.

[Xuperman]

Craft was a higher ranked recruit then Green and could barely get on the floor this year. Not sure why you're thinking/expecting Green to come in and take a lot of court time as a freshman pg.

Because the game video on Green, playing at the very highest level of National prep school hoops, suggests strongly he will. His 3 ball numbers have been so impressive, and noted by some national pundits so clutch in big moments, he is regarded a top FIVE shooter nationally.

Also, Green is the running mate of McDonald's All American Aden Holloway (Auburn), and by all accounts I've seen/read there is NO second fiddle being played here.

Green and Prolific Prep 1 of 8 teams selected to compete in the Geico National Championship tournament March 30th.

Get your popcorn.

:logo:

[Final4]

I have no damn idea and I don’t care.
Does that have anything to do with Xavier Basketball performance?
Nah.
“Hey let’s throw a hook with a Red Herring attached to it! He’ll bite!! “
Uh uh. Not playing. Bad call troll.


Well I’m sure you spent several hours on the Hamilton County Auditors website plus a thorough inquiry of all your “sources” only to come up empty handed. No surprise there. And it was a question that required a definitive answer………so you couldn’t just make shit up like you tend to do. For your future reference, Miller is building in Indian Hill and Travis lives an 8-iron (well 8-iron for me maybe a 5 for you) away from Kilgour School. I think the majority of what you post is bullshit. Fabrication. Your compulsion to be viewed as THE insider forces you to post everything as a fact. Rarely do you preface your posts with “in my opinion” or “I think”.

[nuts4xu]

Well I’m sure you spent several hours on the Hamilton County Auditors website plus a thorough inquiry of all your “sources” only to come up empty handed. No surprise there. And it was a question that required a definitive answer………so you couldn’t just make shit up like you tend to do. For your future reference, Miller is building in Indian Hill and Travis lives an 8-iron (well 8-iron for me maybe a 5 for you) away from Kilgour School. I think the majority of what you post is bullshit. Fabrication. Your compulsion to be viewed as THE insider forces you to post everything as a fact. Rarely do you preface your posts with “in my opinion” or “I think”.

For what it's worth, MOR is well connected to the program and has been for decades. He doesn't always post his information on here, but his sources are typically very close to the program. There are many people on these boards that are well connected and can share a ton of information not revealed to the general public. Where coach is building a house (or where he currently lives) is no one's business. Even if it's public information, I see no relevance to this conversation.

You can hate on MOR all you want, and I won't stand in your way...he is more than capable of handling your inquiries. But if you are on these boards often enough and long enough you can usually pick out the posters with reliable information. I encourage you to always take any of it with a grain of salt because even the coaches will tell you things can change fast, especially when it comes to an injury.

Just my 2 cents. Carry on with your diatribe...

[Masterofreality]

Well I’m sure you spent several hours on the Hamilton County Auditors website plus a thorough inquiry of all your “sources” only to come up empty handed. No surprise there. And it was a question that required a definitive answer………so you couldn’t just make shit up like you tend to do. For your future reference, Miller is building in Indian Hill and Travis lives an 8-iron (well 8-iron for me maybe a 5 for you) away from Kilgour School. I think the majority of what you post is bullshit. Fabrication. Your compulsion to be viewed as THE insider forces you to post everything as a fact. Rarely do you preface your posts with “in my opinion” or “I think”.

And you are obviously an unhealthy obsession stalker.
I’m done responding to your BS.
Placed on Ignore.

BTW. Thanks Nuts!

[IM4X]

I think you are dreaming if you think we have any shot to return every player eligible to return. You might be able to make a case for any one indivdual guy you think will stay, but all of them? I can't see it.

Colby can likely be a 1st rd pick and make millions, no NIL deal will come close to that. It seems to me he has more to lose than gain by coming back. Although if he goes through the process and gets feedback he isn't 1st round, that is a different story.

I don't know why we are lumping Craft and KyKy together. KyKy has been here 4 years and has shown now, under two coaches, he doesnt have much to offer at this level. Craft is a freshman who isn't getting much time, behind 3 other really good guards. Taking anything away from this season and predicting what Craft will or wont be is foolish imo.

No question it would be a bit of a dream situation to get every eligible player back, just feel it is not quite as crazy a possibility as it might appear at first glance. I don’t want to post anything that makes these players feel it is a poor design to come back. When I heard the way Colby was talking about those who would not be back next year in a recent press conference it just made me feel like there is a real chance he may come back.

I agree that there are a number of things that could change that narrative, but for now, I am openly embracing the idea of getting back all players who are eligible and have not committed to moving on- that includes Hunter, Zach, Jack and Colby. Could Sean get them all together and agree to do one more year together with some solid NIL deals in place? Might sound too good to be true and maybe it is… but maybe we just wait and see how the NCAA tournament and then remain open and hopeful to all possibilities.

As for Craft and Kyky: The reason I lumped them together is because they both supposedly have had nagging injuries keeping them from playing, they both were touted as great shooters, they both have been sitting in that 8-10 spot on the rotation and neither has been getting many minutes. Beyond those know pieces of info, I have no clue what their likelihood of coming back is. I would think Craft is definitely coming back- I agree with you that it is hard to really take much more away this season or to understand why there would be any speculation he would leave.

Sean made it sound like Craft is coming along. I will say that I would like to see him come back. I am not at all convinced he is not capable of being a start at the BE level. I have seem some promising glimpses. I also think back to so many X players who were meh their first season, and with development have gotten so much better in their sophomore year or even junior year.

[XU_Lou]

No question it would be a bit of a dream situation to get every eligible player back, just feel it is not quite as crazy a possibility as it might appear at first glance. I don’t want to post anything that makes these players feel it is a poor design to come back. When I heard the way Colby was talking about those who would not be back next year in a recent press conference it just made me feel like there is a real chance he may come back.

I agree that there are a number of things that could change that narrative, but for now, I am openly embracing the idea of getting back all players who are eligible and have not committed to moving on- that includes Hunter, Zach, Jack and Colby. Could Sean get them all together and agree to do one more year together with some solid NIL deals in place? Might sound too good to be true and maybe it is… but maybe we just wait and see how the NCAA tournament and then remain open and hopeful to all possibilities.

As for Craft and Kyky: The reason I lumped them together is because they both supposedly have had nagging injuries keeping them from playing, they both were touted as great shooters, they both have been sitting in that 8-10 spot on the rotation and neither has been getting many minutes. Beyond those know pieces of info, I have no clue what their likelihood of coming back is. I would think Craft is definitely coming back- I agree with you that it is hard to really take much more away this season or to understand why there would be any speculation he would leave.

Sean made it sound like Craft is coming along. I will say that I would like to see him come back. I am not at all convinced he is not capable of being a start at the BE level. I have seem some promising glimpses. I also think back to so many X players who were meh their first season, and with development have gotten so much better in their sophomore year or even junior year.

I had that same thought... Might be a pipe dream, but I'm a glass half-full guy....

[bleedXblue]

some of you are hopeless optimists.......I deal in reality....next years team is going to have a lot of new face on it.......A LOT

[D-West & PO-Z]

I also think back to so many X players who were meh their first season, and with development have gotten so much better in their sophomore year or even junior year.

Oh for sure. Anyone writing off a freshman at X who isn't playing much has a short memory. Some really good past players at X played sparingly or not at all as freshman and even sophomores.

[xavierj]

Because the game video on Green, playing at the very highest level of National prep school hoops, suggests strongly he will. His 3 ball numbers have been so impressive, and noted by some national pundits so clutch in big moments, he is regarded a top FIVE shooter nationally.

Also, Green is the running mate of McDonald's All American Aden Holloway (Auburn), and by all accounts I've seen/read there is NO second fiddle being played here.

Green and Prolific Prep 1 of 8 teams selected to compete in the Geico National Championship tournament March 30th.

Get your popcorn.

:logo:

You do realize Craft played at the highest levels too, right? He was the star of the Skills Factory and Meanstreets AAU. Was a star in the EYBL. That’s the highest of the highest levels.

[Masterofreality]

If Craft leaves, we can blame you (because of your substantial influence on this board) for scaring him off. You will have to bear that cross the entire off-season.

Hahahahaha!! I’m gonna anxiously await a text from Cam asking my advice!! :-)

[Final4]

And you are obviously an unhealthy obsession stalker.
I’m done responding to your BS.
Placed on Ignore.

BTW. Thanks Nuts!


OMG placed on ignore. The ultimate message board slight. But I guess it’s for the best……..if he wasn’t able to handle the back and forth it’s probably best he doesn’t see my responses anymore. I won’t however be deterred and will continue to point out every time he posts something that’s bullshit.

[waggy]

It’s all bullshit

[Xville]

OMG placed on ignore. The ultimate message board slight. But I guess it’s for the best……..if he wasn’t able to handle the back and forth it’s probably best he doesn’t see my responses anymore. I won’t however be deterred and will continue to point out every time he posts something that’s bullshit.

It’s what he does. When someone calls him on his bs, he gets mad and takes his ball and goes home. Talks a big game with definitive statements when about 95 percent of it is his own opinionated nonsense.

[nuts4xu]

It’s all bullshit

Correct. For the most part, just about everyone on this board is full of bullshit. Myself included.

[UCGRAD4X]

Correct. For the most part, just about everyone on this board is full of bullshit. Myself included.

Are you saying you're full of shit about everyone being full of shit?

[bleedXblue]

The most annoying people in life are the ones that have to tell you how good they are or how well connected they are or how much money they have. Some sort of weird fettish they have that can only be understood when you think about how insecure they must be.

[XUGRAD80]

While I’ve had my disagreements with MOR in the past, they have been only disagreements about philosophy or approach to college BB. They have never been personal in nature. He has been an active poster and supporter of this board and all the ones that came before it. I do believe that his longtime support of the University does give his opinions some credence, and do believe that he has contacts within the university and with people close to the university that most of us don’t. Does that mean he is always correct when predicting what will happen in the future? Of course not. But he is, in my experience, been right more often than he has been wrong. His biggest problem, in my humble opinion, is his affinity for that city up north. I think it’s losing wears on him at times and affects his judgment. :laugh: But he’s a good man and loves X, so I’ll cut him some slack on that.

[XU_Lou]

Surely, if MOR is the serial "bullshitter" that he's accused of being, then his detractors should be able to produce several examples. Right?

[noteggs]

Wow we had the best year in 4 and this is what were talking about?

Carry on as you wish

[noteggs]

The most annoying people in life are the ones that have to tell you how good they are or how well connected they are or how much money they have. Some sort of weird fettish they have that can only be understood when you think about how insecure they must be.

Oh yea you can say all of this, but my dick is still bigger. Sorry but my childish sense humor just came through.

[xu82]

Wow we had the best year in 4 and this is what were talking about?

Carry on as you wish

The internet at its best.


Well…….almost. :-)


Bills fans are about to burn it all down after a 13-3 season.

[X-band '01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLjNzwEULG8

[IM4X]

Are you saying you're full of shit about everyone being full of shit?

Either he’s full of bullshit about everyone on this board being full of bullshit or he’s not full of bullshit which means he is full of bullshit which then means I too am full of bullshit and you are also full of bullshit and everyone is full of bullshit… except for Jim Boeheim who I am pretty sure is full of horseshit.

[Xuperman]

Wow we had the best year in 4 and this is what were talking about?

Carry on as you wish

That is what trollish "bullshit" does. Thanks for your 2 cents 'Ville.



You do realize Craft played at the highest levels too, right? He was the star of the Skills Factory and Meanstreets AAU. Was a star in the EYBL. That’s the highest of the highest levels.

I disagree in this respect. Skill Factory never sniffed a National ranking and AAU is simply a collection of off season All Stars...a showcase. Kam Craft destroyed small HS competition, then transferred to SF for the reason you mentioned and did turn heads.

However, Trey Green's Prolific Prep is on a completely different level.....because they're WINNING and ranked anywhere from 1-5 Nationally. It's a whole different animal than AAU.....30-1 with an invite to the 8 team Geico National Championship. Trey is undoubtedly a big reason and is playing at a MVP level going into the March 30th event.

[Xville]

I think we have plenty of examples and evidence to not prognosticate what a high schooler is going to look like his freshman year until he gets on campus.

[Masterofreality]

On the topic of the NIL, verified that Xavier players are getting money in various amounts- all within the legal guidelines set by the NCAA. There are various avenues from which the money is coming from.
And, as I stated earlier with Jack Nunge, very possible he may come back next year with the right money.
And if anyone wants to participate to help the players, how about getting a set of those sweet Xavier player Trading cards? My set came yesterday with an autographed card inside!
The website is

http://Theplayerstrunk.com

Search Xavier and the cards come up!

[Final4]

The most annoying people in life are the ones that have to tell you how good they are or how well connected they are or how much money they have. Some sort of weird fettish they have that can only be understood when you think about how insecure they must be.

Bingo!!! And the biggest donor, most well connected person as far as Xavier basketball is concerned is MOR. Just ask him.....he'll tell you.

[nuts4xu]

Are you saying you're full of shit about everyone being full of shit?

Not as much now that I have taken a shit. I have less shit in me, so I am not completely full of shit.

[nuts4xu]

Bingo!!! And the biggest donor, most well connected person as far as Xavier basketball is concerned is MOR. Just ask him.....he'll tell you.

Do you read Twitter? If so, I highly suggest following Markus Walters. If we are giving an award for most well connected, Markus is your man. His sources are impeccable and he is never wrong. He has broken some stories well before the MSM gets ahold of them.

[Masterofreality]

Do you read Twitter? If so, I highly suggest following Markus Walters. If we are giving an award for most well connected, Markus is your man. His sources are impeccable and he is never wrong. He has broken some stories well before the MSM gets ahold of them.

Markus is the Woodward and Bernstein combined of Xavier Journalists!

[D-West & PO-Z]

On the topic of the NIL, verified that Xavier players are getting money in various amounts- all within the legal guidelines set by the NCAA. There are various avenues from which the money is coming from.
And, as I stated earlier with Jack Nunge, very possible he may come back next year with the right money.
And if anyone wants to participate to help the players, how about getting a set of those sweet Xavier player Trading cards? My set came yesterday with an autographed card inside!
The website is

http://Theplayerstrunk.com

Search Xavier and the cards come up!

MOR any insight into what the chances are Nunge can get the "right" amount of NIL money for next year? I would be really curious to know what he's getting this year and what he would want next year and if that is realistic or not.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Bingo!!! And the biggest donor, most well connected person as far as Xavier basketball is concerned is MOR. Just ask him.....he'll tell you.

Not to get in the middle of yours and MOR's pissing match, but this is a little funny coming from the guy who has stated the upper bowl is not an option for him and his group and you helped build Cintas and have a plaque with your name on it there.

[Final4]

Do you read Twitter? If so, I highly suggest following Markus Walters. If we are giving an award for most well connected, Markus is your man. His sources are impeccable and he is never wrong. He has broken some stories well before the MSM gets ahold of them.

Clearly you missed the point......but that's OK.

[Final4]

Not to get in the middle of yours and MOR's pissing match, but this is a little funny coming from the guy who has stated the upper bowl is not an option for him and his group and you helped build Cintas and have a plaque with your name on it there.

I'm not sure why you find it funny unless you're ignoring context.

[IM4X]

I highly suggest following Markus Walters. If we are giving an award for most well connected, Markus is your man. His sources are impeccable and he is never wrong. He has broken some stories well before the MSM gets ahold of them.

He does have some great bits of info. I like his most recent tweet about X abandoning their original idea to rebrand with royal blue after public outcry over it.

While it’s fun to see the team change it up with the royal blue uniforms every once in a while, the dark navy uniforms and even the gray ones feel like the real BE X to me - plus they make our X-men look like the intimidating, badass MFs they are.

[XU_Lou]

Lots of noise about Kerr Kriisa possibly coming to X. Anybody know if he would be a good fit?

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4683633/kerr-kriisa

[D-West & PO-Z]

Lots of noise about Kerr Kriisa coming to X. Anybody know if he would be a good fit?

Saw that as well.

Led the Pac12 in assists and shot 37% from 3 and we are losing our starting PG.....seems like a great fit to me!

[Xville]

I don’t understand it. Claude should be stepping into the role and we have a big time recruit as the backup… unless the whole two ball handler thing that miller had been talking about…:

[HomerCecil]

From what I've seen of Kriisa (which is, albeit, limited), he would need to listen to Miller's advice on not taking f----- up shots to be effective.

[MHettel]

I don’t understand it. Claude should be stepping into the role and we have a big time recruit as the backup… unless the whole two ball handler thing that miller had been talking about…:

I see Claude as a Combo guard more so than a point. I also see him a very useful in a 3 guard lineup. I wouldnt consider Colby to be a Forward, but he plays the 3. Claude can step into that role.

[xuphan]

Saw that as well.

Led the Pac12 in assists and shot 37% from 3 and we are losing our starting PG.....seems like a great fit to me!

Definitely a good shooter but is also turnover prone. I am sure Miller would get the most out of him though.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don’t understand it. Claude should be stepping into the role and we have a big time recruit as the backup… unless the whole two ball handler thing that miller had been talking about…:

Who is the 2nd guard at this point?

I could see Claude playing off ball if we brought in a veteran PG transfer.

Also, always tough to trust freshman.

Plus, you are right, Miller likes to have 2 ball handlers on the floor together.

[BandAid]

I’m more concerned about the forwards next year.

[MHettel]

From what I've seen of Kriisa (which is, albeit, limited), he would need to listen to Miller's advice on not taking f----- up shots to be effective.

80% of his attempts are from 3. Shoots 39% from 2. Has taken 111 Free Throws in 76 games. Souley Boum has taken 174 in 36 games this year...

If the guy is a lockdown defender, then MAYBE he fits. If the passing acumen shown by this team this year is a result of Millers influence, then there really isnt any need for a pass first PG. In fact, you actually NEED a PG that is willing to attack the rim and score in multiple ways.

Possibly his stats reflect how he was used by Tommy Lloyd.

I'll trust Miller on this one...

[D-West & PO-Z]

Definitely a good shooter but is also turnover prone. I am sure Miller would get the most out of him though.

Yeah, I trust Miller to get best out of guys for sure.

This guy would have played for Miller for a year right? This is his 3rd year at AZ I believe.

[94GRAD]

I don’t understand it. Claude should be stepping into the role and we have a big time recruit as the backup… unless the whole two ball handler thing that miller had been talking about…:

With Kunkle and Boum leaving, X will need 2 guards to replace them. Green is one, but remember what Claude looked like in the first half of the season? It's an absolute fact Sean will bring in another guard through the portal. Kerr would be a no-brainer!

[XU_Lou]

A veteran PG is our biggest need for next year, IMHO. As it is right now, we have 5 guards/wing players - all of them Fr/Sophs (assuming Colby doesn't return). Don't think it would be a good idea to put Green into the fire from the start - though I believe Tu became a starter his 1st year.

Regardless if Free and/or Nunge returns, I think we need a beefy/banger/enforcer type player - someone like Torraye Braggs or Jalen Reynolds.

[Xville]

Guessing everyone and their brother will be after him but the forward from Wyoming Graham Ike would be awesome to get. 6’9 255 and averaged a double-double? Yes please.

[xu82]

Guessing everyone and their brother will be after him but the forward from Wyoming Graham Ike would be awesome to get. 6’9 255 and averaged a double-double? Yes please.

I don’t have any idea who we will bring in, but I trust that Miller has a good idea. This is a BIG DUDE, and we could use more of that. If not him, Sean will find someone like him. Souley Boum wasn’t exactly on my radar, but I’m just a couch potato. A nice run this year makes it easier to sell Xavier to guys like this.

[X-band '01]

Yeah, I trust Miller to get best out of guys for sure.

This guy would have played for Miller for a year right? This is his 3rd year at AZ I believe.

He didn't even play until February his freshman year b/c he was waiting to be cleared by the NCAA.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I have seen Kriisa play in person a few times. He isn’t Boum but he can play. He isn’t flashy but he does his job. I would compare him to Payton Pritchard from Oregon though he is an NBA pro. Kriisa has never had to carry the load for a team. His defense is better than Boum but his three is 5 points less.

That would be a great get. He is a proven high D1 player and knows the system.

[Xavier]

I don’t understand it. Claude should be stepping into the role and we have a big time recruit as the backup… unless the whole two ball handler thing that miller had been talking about…:

I went to one of Sean’s chalk talk things and saw somewhere (can’t remember where) that Sean basically wants two PGs on the court at all times. Or rather, both guards to be basically Combo guards. I really think what we’ve seen this year in this scheme is just scratching the surface of where the offense will be in the future. Everyone can handle the ball, everyone can attack, everyone can pass.

It’s a long way to say I think Claude and our incoming freshman will be very good in that role but we will need another one or two guys. I think kriisa fits well but that’s assuming Sean can reign him in. I think this offensive style will be extremely attractive to recruits of all kinds(high school/international/transfer).

[xuphan]

I went to one of Sean’s chalk talk things and saw somewhere (can’t remember where) that Sean basically wants two PGs on the court at all times. Or rather, both guards to be basically Combo guards. I really think what we’ve seen this year in this scheme is just scratching the surface of where the offense will be in the future. Everyone can handle the ball, everyone can attack, everyone can pass.

It’s a long way to say I think Claude and our incoming freshman will be very good in that role but we will need another one or two guys. I think kriisa fits well but that’s assuming Sean can reign him in.

With all of the transfer portal talk, who do we think will leave the program at the end of the year?

Seniors
Nunge
Kunkle
Boum

Pro
Jones: Think he will test the waters and see where his draft stock is. 50/50 he leaves.
Freemantle: Part of me thinks he returns yet part of me feels like he will go pro. Another 50/50 he leaves

Transfers
Edwards 100% leaves. Hasn’t developed as much as I thought he would under Miller.
Miles 100% leaves. Hasn’t developed to be a regular at this level.
Tandy 100% leaves. Surprised he didn’t transfer last year.
Tucker 50/50. Could see him stay or go.
Craft 75/25. Think he will stay and hopefully get more minutes next year but he may not be happy with the role he currently has.

I trust Miller to put together a solid roster for next year that will compete. Such a refreshing year after going through the Steele era. It will be interesting to see who returns and who we get from the portal.

[Xavier]

I expect Kraft and Edwards to return. Not sure about other bench guys. I’ve also seen Nunge is closer to 50/50 than people think. (NIL may play into that) I don’t expect Freemantle back

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I think Freemantle not participating in Senior night means he couldn’t (doubtful) or didn’t want to because he was returning.

I think Miles and Tandy will transfer. I think Tucker is 25/75 stay vs transfer. Edwards would flip. It’s clear to me Miller was trying to get Edwards to play like Hunter. I have no idea if he can but that was his role. I think Craft stays. He was not ready to play this season. Beyond the top 30, not many freshmen had an impact. Hunter stays for his final year.

We are getting a PG who could play some, two wings, and a big.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I expect Kraft and Edwards to return. Not sure about other bench guys. I’ve also seen Nunge is closer to 50/50 than people think. (NIL may play into that) I don’t expect Freemantle back

No way Nunge returns. That would shock me.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No way Nunge returns. That would shock me.

Supposedly Nunge staying would be all about the NIL money he could get.

Jones is as good as gone.

Free I could see 50/50.

Hunter I think is back.

Craft will be back I think, just wasn't quite ready this year.

I think Edwards is back.

No idea on Miles, Tandy, and Tucker. Would think they would look elsewhere but I can't believe Tandy came back this year, so I guess ya never know.

[xu82]

With all of the transfer portal talk, who do we think will leave the program at the end of the year?

Seniors
Nunge
Kunkle
Boum

Pro
Jones: Think he will test the waters and see where his draft stock is. 50/50 he leaves.
Freemantle: Part of me thinks he returns yet part of me feels like he will go pro. Another 50/50 he leaves

Transfers
Edwards 100% leaves. Hasn’t developed as much as I thought he would under Miller.
Miles 100% leaves. Hasn’t developed to be a regular at this level.
Tandy 100% leaves. Surprised he didn’t transfer last year.
Tucker 50/50. Could see him stay or go.
Craft 75/25. Think he will stay and hopefully get more minutes next year but he may not be happy with the role he currently has.

I trust Miller to put together a solid roster for next year that will compete. Such a refreshing year after going through the Steele era. It will be interesting to see who returns and who we get from the portal.

It’s just like the next game up at the YMCA. Shuffle the deck, then go again.

[XU_Lou]

Jason Scheer, "Arizona Insider", has Kriisa coming to X: https://247sports.com/Player/Kerr-Kriisa-46101235/

[UCGRAD4X]

With all of the transfer portal talk, who do we think will leave the program at the end of the year?

Seniors
Nunge
Kunkle
Boum

Pro
Jones: Think he will test the waters and see where his draft stock is. 50/50 he leaves.
Freemantle: Part of me thinks he returns yet part of me feels like he will go pro. Another 50/50 he leaves

Transfers
Edwards 100% leaves. Hasn’t developed as much as I thought he would under Miller.
Miles 100% leaves. Hasn’t developed to be a regular at this level.
Tandy 100% leaves. Surprised he didn’t transfer last year.
Tucker 50/50. Could see him stay or go.
Craft 75/25. Think he will stay and hopefully get more minutes next year but he may not be happy with the role he currently has.

I trust Miller to put together a solid roster for next year that will compete. Such a refreshing year after going through the Steele era. It will be interesting to see who returns and who we get from the portal.

Wow! This sounds aggressive!

I would think, with the obvious turnaround in success, leadership, and especially player development - wouldn't a player want to play for Miller given that opportunity?

After being messed-up by the Tin Man, another year under the tutelage of the Master would seem like a pretty attractive option. Just seems as if there would be, at least, SOME incentive to stay.

[xavierj]

Wow! This sounds aggressive!

I would think, with the obvious turnaround in success, leadership, and especially player development - wouldn't a player want to play for Miller given that opportunity?

After being messed-up by the Tin Man, another year under the tutelage of the Master would seem like a pretty attractive option. Just seems as if there would be, at least, SOME incentive to stay.

Most of the time guys hit the portal for two reasons. 1 they are really good and crazy NIL deals come at them or 2 the head coach tells you that you are not in the future plans. So with Xavier Colby will go to the NBA and if anyone transfers for a NIL deal it would most likely be Freemantle. Jack will either stay or go to Europe, Des will come back, Jerome will come back and then with the rest of the guys who can return will stay if they have a positive meeting with Sean or they will hit the portal if they are told playing time will be tough to come by.

[Caveat]

I expect Kraft and Edwards to return. Not sure about other bench guys. I’ve also seen Nunge is closer to 50/50 than people think. (NIL may play into that) I don’t expect Freemantle back

The fact that he participated in Senior night would lead me to believe that any "50/50" that may have existed has probably been resolved in favor of leaving.

He's 25 years old and married -- and if he wants to have a professional career, he needs to get that started ASAP.

[GoMuskies]

The fact that he participated in Senior night would lead me to believe that any "50/50" that may have existed has probably been resolved in favor of leaving.

He's 25 years old and married -- and if he wants to have a professional career, he needs to get that started ASAP.

If we want him back, we need to make NIL (combined with zero living expenses through the scholarship and stipend) more valuable than whatever pro contract he might get. For a guy like Nunge who is definitely never playing in the NBA, that might be possible.

[Xavier]

The fact that he participated in Senior night would lead me to believe that any "50/50" that may have existed has probably been resolved in favor of leaving.

He's 25 years old and married -- and if he wants to have a professional career, he needs to get that started ASAP.

I don’t expect him to come back. But the senior night stuff hardly matters, didn’t Scruggs just do the exact same thing? Participated in senior night and came back for one more year?

[Wheelhouse]

I don't really see any scenario where Nunge comes back. Colby is very likely gone, and the more time goes on, the less and less I think Freemantle will be back. Jerome is the only main guy that I think has a decent chance to return and I'd say that's slightly better than 50%. Let's send these guys off with a magical run.

[Masterofreality]

He's 25 years old and married -- and if he wants to have a professional career, he needs to get that started ASAP.

Jack just turned 24 last month.
And NIL IS a factor.

[xavierj]

I don't really see any scenario where Nunge comes back. Colby is very likely gone, and the more time goes on, the less and less I think Freemantle will be back. Jerome is the only main guy that I think has a decent chance to return and I'd say that's slightly better than 50%. Let's send these guys off with a magical run.

I think you are missing Des. He will be the top guy next year. As for Jerome I would say it’s about 90% he returns. He is having more fun than ever and I think he feels with another year with Sean he has a shot at the NBA. Not that is very likely, but he believes it. Sean said they are continuing to work on his three ball and if he comes back able to hit that consistently, look out.

[Wheelhouse]

I think you are missing Des. He will be the top guy next year. As for Jerome I would say it’s about 90% he returns. He is having more fun than ever and I think he feels with another year with Sean he has a shot at the NBA. Not that is very likely, but he believes it. Sean said they are continuing to work on his three ball and if he comes back able to hit that consistently, look out.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. Des coming back was a given. I was talking about the guys whose status is more up in the air.

[bleedXblue]

Coming back IMHO:

Locks:

Claude
Hunter

Maybe:

Nunge
Edwards
Kraft

Not likely:

Freemantle

Moving on:

Myles
KyKy (please)
Colby
Tucker

[Masterofreality]

Coming back IMHO:

Locks:

Claude
Hunter

Maybe:

Nunge
Edwards
Kraft

Not likely:

Freemantle

Moving on:

Myles
KyKy (please)
Colby
Tucker

Jerome, in an interview after the Pitt game, talked about shooting “1,000 3 pointers a day during the summer”.
Yeah, he’s back

[atljar]

Confused, is it "Kerr Kriisa" or "Kriisa, Kerr"?

I thought Kerr was his first name based on how I see it listed most places, but "Kerr" was on his Jersey back at AZ.

[GoMuskies]

Kerr is the first name. Named after Steve Kerr.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The fact that he participated in Senior night would lead me to believe that any "50/50" that may have existed has probably been resolved in favor of leaving.

He's 25 years old and married -- and if he wants to have a professional career, he needs to get that started ASAP.

The needing to get their professional career started ASAP argument was 1000% correct pre NIL and one that made complete sense. These guys only have so long to maximize their earning potential playing a kids game.

However, the goal is to maximize earning. So, if you can earn as close to, as much, or more, by staying, there is no reason to have to get the professional career started ASAP (when not going to the NBA where you want to get to your next contract in a hurry).

Now if you don't like school, and your wife wants to travel the world, and not live with your brother, I can get that, and then leaving.

[atljar]

Kerr is the first name. Named after Steve Kerr.

Thank you for the info. Interesting on the jersey....
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/0/258/10258000.png?fit=bounds&crop=620:320,offset-y0.50&width=620&height=320

[OTRMUSKIE]

Not sure why people are sold on Colby leaving unless they talked to him. Freemantle same thing. I think Colby should go if he is a first rounder but unless you have heard something I will assume he is coming back. I still don’t see what the pros see. He has some huge holes in his game. Why don’t one of you rich peeps give him some money to stay? I can chip in a few bones.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Not sure why people are sold on Colby leaving unless they talked to him. Freemantle same thing. I think Colby should go if he is a first rounder but unless you have heard something I will assume he is coming back. I still don’t see what the pros see. He has some huge holes in his game. Why don’t one of you rich peeps give him some money to stay? I can chip in a few bones.

I mean you never know for sure, and things can change through the evaluation process, but if mock drafts are any indication, he is a 1st round pick and will be gone. He has been easily into the 1st round in 7 of the last 8 mock drafts I have seen.

[MHettel]

I mean you never know for sure, and things can change through the evaluation process, but if mock drafts are any indication, he is a 1st round pick and will be gone. He has been easily into the 1st round in 7 of the last 8 mock drafts I have seen.

Yeah, I meant we dont actually know where he will get drafted until you know, he gets drafted. But if he's generally viewed as a first round pick, then he SHOULD leave 100%. I get that you can maybe make a few hundred Gs with the NIL, but NBA 1st round money can change lives (plural).

This is how I feel about JONES in his own circumstance. I NEVER understood why Kaiser Gates left early.

I think the NIL money could compare to Euro money. That could be a reason to stay. especially if it also means earning that degree.

If Nunge comes back, we may have to call him Dr. Nunge.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I have been scanning the portal activity and we seem to be on forwards and guards. This team will change.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I have been scanning the portal activity and we seem to be on forwards and guards. This team will change.

So every position? Lol

[nuts4xu]

I have been scanning the portal activity and we seem to be on forwards and guards and centers. This team will change.

Fixed it for you...

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Not sure why people are sold on Colby leaving unless they talked to him. Freemantle same thing. I think Colby should go if he is a first rounder but unless you have heard something I will assume he is coming back. I still don’t see what the pros see. He has some huge holes in his game. Why don’t one of you rich peeps give him some money to stay? I can chip in a few bones.

I agree with you. He's good but is he good enough to be a first round pick? I don't see it but lots of observers, more qualified than me, believe he's a first rounder. And, if that happens, Colby would have to be crazy not to go.


I have been scanning the portal activity and we seem to be on forwards and guards. This team will change.

I'm not an observer of portal activity but this comment seems to indicate that we know X is in contact with players once they indicate they want to transfer (assuming we want them). I'm wondering, when that happens, do the current players know with whom we are speaking? So, for example, if we are after this player from Arizona, would anyone reach out to our current players or recruits (if conversations get serious) and communicate what we are doing and why? Would our top point guard prospect coming in next year, want to know? Would he be concerned? I guess I'm wondering how the coaching staff manages this process------if anyone on this board has an idea.

[BandAid]

I'm not an observer of portal activity but this comment seems to indicate that we know X is in contact with players once they indicate they want to transfer (assuming we want them). I'm wondering, when that happens, do the current players know with whom we are speaking? So, for example, if we are after this player from Arizona, would anyone reach out to our current players or recruits (if conversations get serious) and communicate what we are doing and why? Would our top point guard prospect coming in next year, want to know? Would he be concerned? I guess I'm wondering how the coaching staff manages this process------if anyone on this board has an idea.

I suspect the coaching staff would very much prefer the current guys focus on Texas…

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'm not an observer of portal activity but this comment seems to indicate that we know X is in contact with players once they indicate they want to transfer (assuming we want them). I'm wondering, when that happens, do the current players know with whom we are speaking? So, for example, if we are after this player from Arizona, would anyone reach out to our current players or recruits (if conversations get serious) and communicate what we are doing and why? Would our top point guard prospect coming in next year, want to know? Would he be concerned? I guess I'm wondering how the coaching staff manages this process------if anyone on this board has an idea.

Oh absolutely the coaches have to manage that process and the current and incoming players. I have no insight into how they do it or manage it but there is no doubt they have to.

[OTRMUSKIE]

36. Sacramento Kings (via Pacers): Colby Jones (Xavier, PG/SG, Junior)

Jones’ game doesn’t scream upside, but his passing,
shooting and defense does point to an easy-fit role player
who can be used on or off the ball.

2nd round pick? I would think I def test the waters see what they say. If they say hey man you’re a first rounder with guaranteed money he is gone. If not I think he returns. Do a few commercials for Walt Sweeney start up an only fans page and have a blast your senior year.

[Backyard Champ]

A lot of times “in contact with” could be just a quick feeler from the staff. Doesn’t hurt to give a quick call to see where that players head is at.

[UCGRAD4X]

6' 10" Zach Clemence transferring from Kansas. One Zach or two? (or zero)

[Three Point Pete]

Two is one, one is none! Have a back-up Zach

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[Xville]

Hard pass. Not taking a guy who couldn’t get on the floor on a team that badly needed his size. I’d rather take someone that is moving up a level not transferring because they weren’t good enough

[MHettel]

Hard pass. Not taking a guy who couldn’t get on the floor on a team that badly needed his size. I’d rather take someone that is moving up a level not transferring because they weren’t good enough

yeah. tell that to Bryce Hopkins!

[Xville]

yeah. tell that to Bryce Hopkins!

Solid point but I think cal is a moron used car salesman. Self is an amazing coach. I dont trust cal’s talent evaluation at all.. there have been multiple Hopkins’ cases with him and it doesn’t seem to happen with anyone else

[noteggs]

The whole transfer portal opening before the tournament is over is total BS! The end…

[XUGRAD80]

Per Twitter……KyKy Tandy had successful foot surgery today. Won’t be in KC with the team.

[Xville]

Per Twitter……KyKy Tandy had successful foot surgery today. Won’t be in KC with the team.

Was the injury last year to his foot as well? Thought it was but maybe I’m misremembering

[MHettel]

Per Twitter……KyKy Tandy had successful foot surgery today. Won’t be in KC with the team.

such a head scratcher. I mean your team is going to play in the Sweet 16, and you could be 72 hours away from making the Final 4, and you decide to get surgery instead of attending?

this guy....

[xu82]

such a head scratcher. I mean your team is going to play in the Sweet 16, and you could be 72 hours away from making the Final 4, and you decide to get surgery instead of attending?

this guy....

Yeah, I’d be wanting to go along for that ride. I have to wonder what we don’t know.

[XUGRAD80]

such a head scratcher. I mean your team is going to play in the Sweet 16, and you could be 72 hours away from making the Final 4, and you decide to get surgery instead of attending?

this guy....

Or….that’s when the doctor could do it? Or….the doctors said that he needed to get it done ASAP? Or….he was in a lot of pain and wouldn’t be able to travel anyway? Or….they told him to get it done now so that he could travel to the F4? Or……there could be lots of reasons why he had it done today that have nothing to do with him being able to choose when it would be done. We just don’t know why.

Whatever the reason, I wish him well and hope he recovers fully and quickly.

[MHettel]

Or….that’s when the doctor could do it? Or….the doctors said that he needed to get it done ASAP? Or….he was in a lot of pain and wouldn’t be able to travel anyway? Or….they told him to get it done now so that he could travel to the F4? Or……there could be lots of reasons why he had it done today that have nothing to do with him being able to choose when it would be done. We just don’t know why.

Whatever the reason, I wish him well and hope he recovers fully and quickly.

Not buying what you are selling. Tandy had been a sourpuss for 4 years. Now bagging on his teammates.

Doctor can’t do it? Give me a break.

[Xville]

Not buying what you are selling. Tandy had been a sourpuss for 4 years. Now bagging on his teammates.

Doctor can’t do it? Give me a break.

A sourpuss? I admit he’s not a rah-rah guy but everything I have heard is that he’s a good teammate and absolutely loves Xavier.

[noteggs]

We are in the S16 and at this point don’t care about the reasons. Hope the kid gets the healthcare he deserves.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Not buying what you are selling. Tandy had been a sourpuss for 4 years. Now bagging on his teammates.

Doctor can’t do it? Give me a break.

This is an interesting take. I don't see Kyky that way at all. I see a guy who time and again has chosen to come back to a team and teammates he must really like despite no real solid path to playing time.

Like xville said, def not a rah rah guy but have never seen or heard anything that would suggest what you are saying.

There are plenty of reasons he has to have surgery when he did.

[MHettel]

This is an interesting take. I don't see Kyky that way at all. I see a guy who time and again has chosen to come back to a team and teammates he must really like despite no real solid path to playing time.

Like xville said, def not a rah rah guy but have never seen or heard anything that would suggest what you are saying.

There are plenty of reasons he has to have surgery when he did.

Ok, so he doesn’t play and he isn’t a rah rah kinda guy. So what exactly DOES he contribute to this team.

I don’t buy that he HAS to get surgery today. It ain’t like he was waiting for a donor foot on the transplant list.

I’ll just let it go now. But my mind won’t be changed about Tandy. I rooted for him for 4 years and just have seen him sulk the whole time.

I’m done rooting for him. Time to go

[Xavier]

People pick some of the dumbest things to get upset about. Injured player is done for the year and it’s ridiculous he…..started rehab before the season is over?? Huh?

[Three Point Pete]

Was the injury last year to his foot as well? Thought it was but maybe I’m misrememberingFoxsports said it was stress fracture of left leg in Dec. 2021

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[Jehoya]

People pick some of the dumbest things to get upset about. Injured player is done for the year and it’s ridiculous he…..started rehab before the season is over?? Huh?

+1

[xavierj]

Ok, so he doesn’t play and he isn’t a rah rah kinda guy. So what exactly DOES he contribute to this team.

I don’t buy that he HAS to get surgery today. It ain’t like he was waiting for a donor foot on the transplant list.

I’ll just let it go now. But my mind won’t be changed about Tandy. I rooted for him for 4 years and just have seen him sulk the whole time.

I’m done rooting for him. Time to go

Interesting take. From what I hear is that he loves Xavier and his teammates love him. He is just a laid back, quiet, kind on an introverted kid. I am sorry his personality makes you upset.

[Masterofreality]

Not buying what you are selling. Tandy had been a sourpuss for 4 years. Now bagging on his teammates.

Doctor can’t do it? Give me a break.

Gotta disagree Hett. Sean himself said that KyKy was the hardest working guy on the team last summer in trying to improve and buying in to the new system.
I have to wonder if his foot issues have been hanging around for a while and affected his shooting? I really don’t think kids forget how to shoot the ball if they can.
I hope he gets done what he needs to get done and comes back for one last ride. He almost left before because of misuse by Steele. I hold no ill will to the kid.
Good luck Ky!

[Caveat]

such a head scratcher. I mean your team is going to play in the Sweet 16, and you could be 72 hours away from making the Final 4, and you decide to get surgery instead of attending?

this guy....

Or, it's hunger to get back out on the floor as quickly as possible to prove himself and help his team out next year.

[Wheelhouse]

Not buying what you are selling. Tandy had been a sourpuss for 4 years. Now bagging on his teammates.

Doctor can’t do it? Give me a break.

You have absolutely no idea why he had surgery yesterday. I'm no Kyky apologist but this is such a bizarre take.

[smileyy]

Maybe he's done walking around on a broken foot. Maybe the sooner he gets surgery the less risk there is of damage.

[SemajParlor]

Let's just expand on the take because it deserves to be publicly shamed for being so dumb.

In your universe do you think a doctor said hey KyKy, up to you when you want your surgery done man. And KyKy said "you know what, let's do it so I can't be with my teammates because I don't care about them. Even though I was there for the round before in a walking boot."

[xavierj]

Let's just expand on the take because it deserves to be publicly shamed for being so dumb.

In your universe do you think a doctor said hey KyKy, up to you when you want your surgery done man. And KyKy said "you know what, let's do it so I can't be with my teammates because I don't care about them. Even though I was there for the round before in a walking boot."

Kyky wanted it done this week, so he could be in Houston next week.

[UCGRAD4X]

He was waiting to max out the copay.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I want to welcome Colby Jones to the 23-24 Xavier men’s basketball team. If there is a team willing to take you first round then dude you take it. Otherwise see ya in November.

[Xville]

Here’s my best guess.

Comes back:

Claude
Hunter
Craft

Recruits:

Green
Swain
Reid
Nzeh

That’s all I can see that is definite. I don’t think nunge comes back nor jones, free. Maybe some of the marginal guys like Edwards, Tucker, Tandy, miles come back but with that said, x needs to do well in the portal, I’m talking 3 plug and play guys because otherwise next year will be a step back.

[xuphan]

Here’s my best guess.

Comes back:

Claude
Hunter
Craft

Recruits:

Green
Swain
Reid
Nzeh

That’s all I can see that is definite. I don’t think nunge comes back nor jones, free. Maybe some of the marginal guys like Edwards, Tucker, Tandy, miles come back but with that said, x needs to do well in the portal, I’m talking 3 plug and play guys because otherwise next year will be a step back.

I agree that it we will need to be fairly active in the portal. It appears we will likely land the PG transfer from Arizona. Think we also need an impact PF and a Center from the portal if Free does not return. Sadly, do not see Edwards or Miles staying which means we will be pretty thin in the front court.

[UCGRAD4X]

I kept thinking what Edwards could do with another year of development under Miller. But he has had a whole year and could barely see the floor even in desperate situations. Still think maybe he could, but the more immediate need is too great.

[xuphan]

I kept thinking what Edwards could do with another year of development under Miller. But he has had a whole year and could barely see the floor even in desperate situations. Still think maybe he could, but the more immediate need is too great.

I totally trust Miller in getting the right guys to keep the momentum going in the program. He has already contacted several transfer portal players which cover everything from PG, CG, and forwards/centers. Will be interesting to see who leaves and who Miller brings in. Haven’t been this excited about the program in awhile. Frustrating night but the future is bright for this program.

[Xavier]

I think it’s a complete overhaul. Hunter and Claude will be the only ones back who will see rotational minutes. Maybe edwards, though ideally he sees about what he saw this year.

[xukeith]

I bet Miles, Tandy and Tucker all return. They could tryout the portal and see who bites but these guys likely will not get a lot of playing time even at a MAC school.
They also may hate losing and see the results of past transfers(not so great leaving X for greener grass).
The best thing this year's team had was experience.
Next season, if X wants to win BE and secure a top 2 seed, they will need 3-4 better athletes/shooters. I doubt X scores another Boum, but a 60% Boum-like player will suffice.
UConn's team is clearly the favorite to win National Title this year. X needs to at least keep pace with UConn and Marquette and Creighton. Next year X likely will have growing pains. Probably by January/February X will be playing well.

I can't put all my hopes into frosh Trey Green.
Des Claude played some good defense but offensively he struggles. Hope he can do the Colby style offseason and gain confidence in his shooting touch.

[D-West & PO-Z]

My guess at who returns:

Claude
Hunter
Craft
Freemantle
Edwards

Add recruits, add AZ PG transfer and 2 other key portal transfers (a center (or at least a beefier forward) and a wing).

I think we make 3 solid portal additions.

I think there is an outside chance Nunge comes back but would not count on it.

As far as Miles or Tucker or Tandy they might leave they might stay but even if they stay they will not be integral to the team and see minutes and if them staying keeps us from being able to add portal player they will be gently shown a transfer is in their best interest.

[Xuperman]

If the 247 WildcatAuthority.com insider is correct, we're getting Kerr Kriisa. His scoring numbers are nearly exclusive to 3s....didn't manage to average one made 2 per game. That also limited his ability to score from the charity stripe, however he does make a high % when he gets there. Only 20 steals...Tandy had 11. Doesn't rebound either...Des Claude had more 87-83. His 180 assists tops any of our guys, but coughed it up 90+.

Hard to get too excited about that limited tool box.

[Xavier]

The only concern is defense. After watching boum get burned so much it really causes Defense to continually help and rotate etc. which in turn causes more breakdowns. Offensively he can knock down 3s and lead the pac-12 in assists. Going to a system which lead the country in assists per game.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Kerr def has some positive and negatives and you can tell the AZ fanbase is mixed on him leaving with some seeing it as not a huge loss.

However at this point we need veteran capable players for next year. Sign me up for a PG who lead a major conference in assists and has played in some big time games. He isn't going to be a Boum on offense but we are going to need ball handlers who can distribute. Tommy Lloyd has done a great job in Arizona but if you're asking me if I think Miller can get the max out of any PG who plays for him, I'll answer with a resounding yes!

[SemajParlor]

Yeah Kerr Kriisa is really good guys. We should sign up for this in a heartbeat.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Freemantle's injury seemed to be a bit of a tipping point this past season. No question, we had a great year, far better than many of us expected after four years in the desert. Nevertheless, Free going down exposed a few players..........

Nunge is simply not a great low post player and when Free went down, Jack was forced to try to be what he isn't, and he was forced to play many more minutes at a much higher level than he is capable of playing. Edwards was exposed also----as an incapable backup. Cesar saw minor action even when it was obvious that Nunge needed rest.

Souley won games for us this year----big important games. But, Souley's inability, at times, to play more of a pure point guard, driving and dishing, also became an issue. Last night, he needed to drive, pass and get to the line but he became almost entirely a jump shooter. We must find a capable floor general, next year, if we are to advance. Perhaps that sounds like I'm disappointed in Boum. I am not. But once Free went down we needed something more than a scorer and Souley couldn't fill that void. As good as he was for us, he was too one-dimensional. Colby was definitely exposed because he was unable to put the team on his shoulders. He just doesn't, to me, have that gear. That isn't a slight either because he's a very good player-----just not a great player in crunch time. His play in the tournament increased my doubt as to his readiness to play in the NBA. That said, if he gets the opportunity, he should take it.

Kunkel, on the other hand, showed the heart of a lion. I scoff at the mid-season post on this board, that criticized Kunkel as not Big East worthy. I hope we see him join the staff next year, as a Grad Asst., and begin his coaching career. Love that young man's fire.

Hunter stepped up and hope he returns in an even bigger role next year. Another guy written off on this board last year, even though he possessed the ability to do everything well except hit the three ball.

With the rise of the transfer portal, we should expect to see the most interesting upcoming off-season since, well, last off-season. In today's more fluid transfer environment, if a team is not improving in the off-season, they aren't staying the same, they are getting worse. If Free returns and Nunge returns (decisions of which I am skeptical) our front court problems are not solved. First, is Free truly healed or will he reinjure the foot yet again? And Nunge's value to us is dependent on him playing away from the basket and logging significantly less minutes---I say about 25 is his max. Without consistent low post scoring from others, Nunge is not effective. That means we still must go to the portal for guys that can operate in the paint.

And we will need help at the point. Xuperman's post about Kriisa is not exciting. Dez doesn't seem to be the answer---he is inconsistent from the line, dribbles into traffic and turns the ball over too much and cannot hit the outside shot. He's a contributor next year, particularly on defense but he is not the answer at PG. So, today, that leaves us with Green who may very well be the second coming but he is yet to play a minute.

Miller needs to re-tool the frontcourt (perhaps completely) and add veteran backcourt talent. To me, that means Edwards, Miles, Tucker and probably KyKy have limited roles, if any, next year. Of the three, I would like to be wrong about KyKy. He's done (or tried to do) everything asked of him. The other three, in my opinion, simply haven't shown the skill to play at this level. If they want to continue their college careers, it might be best if they hit the portal.

Most importantly, Miller needs to hit the portal hard....and soon.

[Xville]

Kerr is a floor general… the guy was the pac 12 assist leader so I think he’d be a good fit. My concern or question though is how is his defense? Boum and kunkel were atrocious on that side of the ball. Miller I’d assume expects better

[SemajParlor]

Freemantle's injury seemed to be a bit of a tipping point this past season. No question, we had a great year, far better than many of us expected after four years in the desert. Nevertheless, Free going down exposed a few players..........



I have to agree with this. Losing a top scoring option like Free shifted everyone up to a more prominent offensive role. Some people thrived in that role and others probably would've benefited from Zach being out there. All in all proud of the team's effort for staying tough when that happened - but you need a lot of things to go your way to get to that Final 4 Level. That was a death blow.

[Masterofreality]

My morning after hot take FWIW:
This is a psychological thing but in many ways this team was afraid of success. I know as a golfer when you are really playing well and trying to go low, that your mind gets in your way and you start questioning yourself. You gotta really fight to get over that.
I think back on the season and every time this team got close to REAL success, - beating Gonzaga, at Marquette to basically clinch the BE Regular Season, the Big East Championship game, last night, they folded. Also the times when they tried to fold- first halves vs DePaul and Kennesaw State that Sean's called them out from- where they almost did.
Sean did all he could to eliminate Steele's Milquetoast Mindset, finally calling them Charmin Soft at halftime of the Kennesaw game, but he couldn't get it out completely. I want Colby, Hunter, Nunge back to let Sean toughen them up some more. I am lukewarm on Free for “reasons” but maybe one more year gets him over the hump. Get that PG Kriisa from AZ and bring in the recruits. The rest either leave or ride the bench. I just don’t see it with Dez Claude, his instincts suck, he can’t consistently shoot- even free throws- and he got used by Texas numerous times. He’s 6:5 but I don’t see the Colby that others do in him. Dez is a minute sub at best to me.
One. That is ONE freshman recruit from The Former Guys 4 year tenure contributed to this run- Colby. Thank goodness the transfers were lured in by the Tradition of Xavier going to the Tournament (although TFG wasn’t gonna get them there), and Sean was able to convince them to stay.
The stench of Steele has to go. Rinse and refresh.

[XUGRAD80]

I suspect that the picture on who is staying and who is leaving g will become much clearer by the end of the 1st week of April. There are certainly a lot of question marks and nothing would surprise me at this point. It’s been posted on Twitter and elsewhere that X has reached out to players in all positions, so I suspect that not everyone that is eligible to return will return. But how that breaks down individually? Your guess is as good as mine.

[Xavier]

If we are talking transfers- I think Kerr is for sure coming to X. I know Tubelis is leaving Arizona. The overwhelming thought is he will head to play overseas but he’d be great addition as well. A perfect fit for this offense. From what I’m seeing- the back up center for Indiana looks to be coming to X. I’d assume more depth piece, he hasn’t seen much time at all (granted playing behind TJD) but was the #12 center in his class coming out of high school.

I think Sean can do great things in the portal.

[noteggs]

Before some start to lose confidence in Des’ ability to start next year, there is thing called freshman to sophomore leap. Yes he struggled with decision making/turnovers but showed flashes as being a well rounded player. His shooting should improve with a full off season with Sean.

[xavbball]

Before some start to lose confidence in Des’ ability to start next year, there is thing called freshman to sophomore leap. Yes he struggled with decision making/turnovers but showed flashes as being a well rounded player. His shooting should improve with a full off season with Sean.

Thank you. With the era of transfers and the "win now" attitude, it's easy to forgot that players take time to develop. Des will be a stud for us if he continues to play for Sean.

[xu82]

Before some start to lose confidence in Des’ ability to start next year, there is thing called freshman to sophomore leap. Yes he struggled with decision making/turnovers but showed flashes as being a well rounded player. His shooting should improve with a full off season with Sean.

I’m with you here. There were some head scratching moments (and fouls), but there were also some positive flashes. I hope it slows down for him a bit with decision making and that the shot and confidence will come around in time.

[xavierj]

Before some start to lose confidence in Des’ ability to start next year, there is thing called freshman to sophomore leap. Yes he struggled with decision making/turnovers but showed flashes as being a well rounded player. His shooting should improve with a full off season with Sean.

Des will be unreal next year. Would be shocked if he is at Xavier after next year. He is going to the league

[D-West & PO-Z]

Des will be unreal next year. Would be shocked if he is at Xavier after next year. He is going to the league

Wow, really? I am excited by Des and not down on him as some seem to be but you think he's going to the NBA after next year? I mean I'd be all for it considering he would probably be having an All American type year next year. Not sure I buy that tho.

[nuts4xu]

Kerr is a floor general… the guy was the pac 12 assist leader so I think he’d be a good fit. My concern or question though is how is his defense? Boum and kunkel were atrocious on that side of the ball. Miller I’d assume expects better

Kerr likely won’t be an upgrade defensively.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Dez is def not going to the league and if he does it won’t be next year unless he becomes the next Jordan

[D-West & PO-Z]

I've had some friends suggest that Free will not be back next year, either pro overseas or transfer to another school and that there seemed to be more to the story with his injury and absence from the team.

Would actually really love to see Free come back. I get if he wants to start pro career, would be disappointing if he transfers to another team.

[nuts4xu]

Des will be unreal next year. Would be shocked if he is at Xavier after next year. He is going to the league

Coach Miller raves about Des, he likes that he can sub in and play spots 1-4. Solid defender and a year of experience, he will have a big role next season.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Des will be unreal next year. Would be shocked if he is at Xavier after next year. He is going to the league,

He is only a freshman and has time to improve. But, he will have to improve EXPONENTIALLY to go to the NBA after next year. I don't see it, at all, as realistic. Dez, today, is not close to being as good as Colby was at the end of his freshman year. And I don't consider Colby to be a lock going pro next year. To me, Dez is not even close.


I've had some friends suggest that Free will not be back next year, either pro overseas or transfer to another school and that there seemed to be more to the story with his injury and absence from the team. Would actually really love to see Free come back. I get if he wants to start pro career, would be disappointing if he transfers to another team.

With the development of the portal and successful examples of established players leaving a school for more NIL money elsewhere----Nigel Pack got $450K to transfer to Miami last year----it is only a matter of time before one or more veteran players, here at X, tie their return to a specific sum of NIL money. I'm not there yet; its a bit distasteful to me. But that scenario occurring seems inevitable and will likely happen sooner not later. NIL is about letting free market compensation principles into college sports. Could be going on right now.

[GoMuskies]

Des obviously needs to shoot better to get to the league. Would be fantastic if he's so good next year that we need to worry about that.

He was pretty bad in the Tournament, but he wasn't alone in that regard. Kind of impressive we went as far as we did with some of the play we got from key guys in the Tournament.

[xavierj]

Des obviously needs to shoot better to get to the league. Would be fantastic if he's so good next year that we need to worry about that.

He was pretty bad in the Tournament, but he wasn't alone in that regard. Kind of impressive we went as far as we did with some of the play we got from key guys in the Tournament.

Yep no doubt. Sean said he is one of the best shooters on the team and expect him to be a big 3 point shooter next year along with his ability to get to the rim. Guy oozes potential.

[xavierj]

Dez is def not going to the league and if he does it won’t be next year unless he becomes the next Jordan

Lol. He is chiseled 6’5” point guard. He won’t be at Xavier after next year. He is already being looked at and has all the potential in the world, which is all that matters in the NBA.

[XUBison]

Yep no doubt. Sean said he is one of the best shooters on the team and expect him to be a big 3 point shooter next year along with his ability to get to the rim. Guy oozes potential.

Sean played him— a lot. We should all understand by now what that means.

[MHettel]

I know scholarships are renewable on a yearly basis. I generally think it’s a bad look when a team pulls the scholly from a kid and essentially forces them to transfer.

But, with the extra Covid year I’m a little hesitant to think we would be obliged to take some guys back for a 5th year. I assume the guys that have been around for 4 years are graduating this year. I believe we have served them well by honoring the 4 years.

I suppose I’m in favor of MORE roster turnover vs less. I’d take back Free, Colby, Des, and Craft. Maybe Edwards. Otherwise I’d try to grab 4-5 serviceable contributors from the portal and hope the freshman are ready

[xavierj]

I know scholarships are renewable on a yearly basis. I generally think it’s a bad look when a team pulls the scholly from a kid and essentially forces them to transfer.

But, with the extra Covid year I’m a little hesitant to think we would be obliged to take some guys back for a 5th year. I assume the guys that have been around for 4 years are graduating this year. I believe we have served them well by honoring the 4 years.

I suppose I’m in favor of MORE roster turnover vs less. I’d take back Free, Colby, Des, and Craft. Maybe Edwards. Otherwise I’d try to grab 4-5 serviceable contributors from the portal and hope the freshman are ready

I agree but Zach won’t be at Xavier next year. He will be playing at another college. Hope I am wrong but think that will be the case.

[Xavier]

I’ve seen similar rumors, and while I’d still take and want him back I do agree with Ville.We need to have better defense and physicality to get that final four. Zach’s defense was as bad as anyone on the team. Though with a healthy Freemantle I do think we win the big East regular season and go toe to toe with Texas.

Who knows, will be a fun offseason

[D-West & PO-Z]

Des obviously needs to shoot better to get to the league. Would be fantastic if he's so good next year that we need to worry about that.

He was pretty bad in the Tournament, but he wasn't alone in that regard. Kind of impressive we went as far as we did with some of the play we got from key guys in the Tournament.

Yeah as much as out sweet 16 draw sucked, we got extremely lucky with our draw to get to the sweet 16. We were able to survive subpar play by playing subpar competition.

[SkyWalker]

I don't follow the NBA but I have a question about Jones going in the late first round. Would it be beneficial for him to come back to X next year and develop more? Perhaps he could be a top 10-15 pick at that point. Is that reasonable or am I just uninformed?

[xavierj]

I don't follow the NBA but I have a question about Jones going in the late first round. Would it be beneficial for him to come back to X next year and develop more? Perhaps he could be a top 10-15 pick at that point. Is that reasonable or am I just uninformed?

No. He is gone. He loves Xavier but he will take the the NBA pay and lifestyle.

[BillikenMusketeer]

I know scholarships are renewable on a yearly basis. I generally think it’s a bad look when a team pulls the scholly from a kid and essentially forces them to transfer.

But, with the extra Covid year I’m a little hesitant to think we would be obliged to take some guys back for a 5th year. I assume the guys that have been around for 4 years are graduating this year. I believe we have served them well by honoring the 4 years.

I suppose I’m in favor of MORE roster turnover vs less. I’d take back Free, Colby, Des, and Craft. Maybe Edwards. Otherwise I’d try to grab 4-5 serviceable contributors from the portal and hope the freshman are ready

If you need someone on your team with butter fingers who slaps at the ball instead of grabbing a rebound, Edwards is your man. Surely X can do better

[OTRMUSKIE]

Free is rumored to be going to UK

[noteggs]

Free is rumored to be going to UK

Yea seems like family wants him to play for a coach who gets kids to NBA. Huge eye roll.

[Xavier]

Exactly what I’ve seen. His family seems to be a handful and was the main reason he didn’t rejoin the team. Just what I’ve seen with no first hand knowledge

[XUBison]

Exactly what I’ve seen. His family seems to be a handful and was the main reason he didn’t rejoin the team. Just what I’ve seen with no first hand knowledge

You’ve seen this but have no first-hand knowledge? How does that work? :)

[xavierj]

Yea seems like family wants him to play for a coach who gets kids to NBA. Huge eye roll.

That’s hilarious. Sean will have 12 guys he coached playing in the NBA next year.

[Xavier]

You’ve seen this but have no first-hand knowledge? How does that work? :)

I’ve seen the same things but just on message boards and stuff like that. No inside sources is all. It’s all speculation

[MHettel]

Can’t imagine that Free would step right and and play at a place like UK. I’m sure there is another top class on the way. I believe free can score effectively at this level, but that defense is a real issue. Neither his O or D is NBA level and calipari isn’t so much a guy that develops kids into NBA players as a guy that gets to coach can’t miss NBA guys.

Oh well. A lot of drama with Free. Can’t say I will miss that part

[BandAid]

Cal and Sean are good friends. I wonder if Coach Cal would ask Coach Miller for a scouting report if Free we’re to enter the portal. And I’m really curious as to what Miller would say…

[xukeith]

I have not seen any drama with Freemantle. He has been a huge benefit on X squad each year. Last year was an anomaly with his foot screwing up with his conditioning and timing. He was clearly head of the team offensively this season. I recall Miller having Zach play pretty "good" defense this past January. He will be sorely missed and I hope he has 1 more year in him.

Let me remind you of some posters' messages last season(and in 2021) proclaiming Freemantle was definitely transferring. I am sure Freemantle is no dummy and he sees the benefit of Miller coaching.

I am not a Calipari fan but I will give him credit for getting a frequent who's who of top basketball recruits agreeing to join Kentucky.