Xavier NIL

[Jehoya]

There was a twitter “spaces” after the game, and one of the callers mentioned Xavier getting a 3 million dollar NIL donation or some kind of separate fund being set up. This was the first I’ve heard of this, anybody else know anything about X and the NIL? A donation like that has to help with recruiting.

[Xavier]

I’m not sure how that works. Because I don’t think you just give money to the school for a fund they can work with. Maybe you donate to someone working with the university who goes from there. The only thing I know for NIL with current players is they get proceeds from personalized shirts they get sold.

[D-West & PO-Z]

They donate to NIL collectives. They are school specific but are independent of the schools.

Here is a decent article explaining them.

https://www.on3.com/nil/news/what-are-nil-collectives-and-how-do-they-operate/

[UCGRAD4X]

They donate to NIL collectives. They are school specific but are independent of the schools.

Here is a decent article explaining them.

https://www.on3.com/nil/news/what-are-nil-collectives-and-how-do-they-operate/

$44.4 million in attorneys fees? WTF!

[Xuperman]

Don't high jack the Portal thread guys.

[Masterofreality]

This is the gist of Greg Christopher’s email to supporters/season ticket holders yesterday:

“ A unified push of support along with your passion and generosity will propel Xavier Basketball forward and ensure Coach Miller and his staff have the resources to recruit, develop, and sustain the momentum from an incredible 2022-2023 season. Outlined below is where your investment will be most impactful to
Xavier Basketball.

•BASKETBALL EXCELLENCE FUND
All aspects of the annual operating dollars needed to best position our men's basketball program for success.
This includes recruiting, nutrition, charter travel, academic tutors. GIVE NOW
• CINTAS CENTER CAPITAL PROJECTS
It is imperative that we continue to invest in the home of Xavier Basketball, an instrumental part of developing current players and recruiting future student-athletes.
• BASKETBALL ENDOWMENTS
Earnings from these endowments allow
Xavier Basketball to grow in vital areas and sustain the standard of excellence required to reach our goals.
- Basketball Excellence Endowment
- Assistant Coach Endowment

• FINAL 2% LLC. This tax deductible "collective" helps to facilitate promotional and NIL opportunities for Xavier student-athletes and brings awareness to
important local organizations and charities.”

Give until it hurts!!

[Masterofreality]

There was a twitter “spaces” after the game, and one of the callers mentioned Xavier getting a 3 million dollar NIL donation or some kind of separate fund being set up. This was the first I’ve heard of this, anybody else know anything about X and the NIL? A donation like that has to help with recruiting.

And, yes. A Fat Cat (and a few others) who I will not name have stepped up to “seed” a fund.
This NIL crap cannot be ignored and it’s out of control. College kids are pros now.

[drudy23]

Can it really be the expectation that this is funded by outside parties from here to eternity?

These things only go up. It just seems unsustainable.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Can it really be the expectation that this is funded by outside parties from here to eternity?

These things only go up. It just seems unsustainable.

Isn't that what the AFO is? And general high school and college donation requests?

[paulxu]

I am quite sure I don't understand all this stuff, but I have a question:

If a school can't pay an athlete a NIL
And the NIL must be paid, for example, by a car dealer and the athlete then makes ads for the dealer
But a "collective" can be set up to get regular people to donate and then it manages funds out to athletes/things they sponsor (like a car dealer)

How can the last item be "tax deductible?"

If it is, won't you see mega donors at big schools using the collective as a write off ?

[MHettel]

Things are pretty much going exactly as I expected.

Some people thought the NIL and Portal would be "no big deal" and would "change anything."

1 year in and the whole thing is turned upside down.

[nuts4xu]

If it is, won't you see mega donors at big schools using the collective as a write off ?

I don't know the ins and outs, but I believe that is precisely why they offer a tax deductible option.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Things are pretty much going exactly as I expected.

Some people thought the NIL and Portal would be "no big deal" and would "change anything."

1 year in and the whole thing is turned upside down.

It's been 2 years for both and you are totally right, I remember you exactly predicting that 2 years in, 3 teams would make their first final 4 appearance, 2 of which were non Power 6 conference teams.

You're a genius.

[Final4]

And, yes. A Fat Cat (and a few others) who I will not name have stepped up to “seed” a fund.
This NIL crap cannot be ignored and it’s out of control. College kids are pros now.

Like this buffoon could name names.........what a pretentious tool. This morning it was Ike to Providence and last week it was next week we'll see some major announcements for Xavier transfers.

[MHettel]

It's been 2 years for both and you are totally right, I remember you exactly predicting that 2 years in, 3 teams would make their first final 4 appearance, 2 of which were non Power 6 conference teams.

You're a genius.

Built with transfers and NIL money. Dont forget about Texas and KState who also made deep runs with rented rosters

[Xville]

Like this buffoon could name names.........what a pretentious tool. This morning it was Ike to Providence and last week it was next week we'll see some major announcements for Xavier transfers.

Exactly right. This guy has zero legit sources. It’s been proven over and over again. Remember when he said there was dissension in the uconn locker room and players were threatening to transfer? Lol. The guy really wants to be important

And the “yeah some guy stepped up but I’m not going to tell you who” schtick is frankly just being a douche. 1.) no one cares who it is and 2.) it screams Mor is starved for attention

[paulxu]

I don't know the ins and outs, but I believe that is precisely why they offer a tax deductible option.

But for something to be tax deductible it has to be spelled out as allowed in the tax code...like giving to a charity.

What's the reason a collective would be given that status?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Built with transfers and NIL money. Dont forget about Texas and KState who also made deep runs with rented rosters

What you predicted was close to the demise of college basketball.

FAU and SDSU have big NIL deals and lots of transfers? UConn had a team of almost all homegrown players.

[MHettel]

What you predicted was close to the demise of college basketball.

FAU and SDSU have big NIL deals and lots of transfers? UConn had a team of almost all homegrown players.

I also made an analogy to the "shift" in baseball. Some teams figured it out first, and then everyone else followed. The code has been cracked for how to utilize the portal and NIL to retool a veteran roster yearly. Some teams have obviously figured that out before others and had great success. Once all the big names step into the mix, they can box out the "lower" teams and the ones with fewer resources. This is free agency without a salary cap. And we wonder why the Yankees and Boston and the Dodgers seems to always field good teams?

Which reminds me of the A's in fact, as a small market team, they used innovation (focus on OBP) to build a cheap competitive roster. And then everyone else did the same.

Its not a light switch where it's suddenly ON then OFF. Its a process that will take a few years, but the early speed suggests to me that not only is it happening, but at a rate that is even faster than I expected.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I also made an analogy to the "shift" in baseball. Some teams figured it out first, and then everyone else followed. The code has been cracked for how to utilize the portal and NIL to retool a veteran roster yearly. Some teams have obviously figured that out before others and had great success. Once all the big names step into the mix, they can box out the "lower" teams and the ones with fewer resources. This is free agency without a salary cap. And we wonder why the Yankees and Boston and the Dodgers seems to always field good teams?

Which reminds me of the A's in fact, as a small market team, they used innovation (focus on OBP) to build a cheap competitive roster. And then everyone else did the same.

Its not a light switch where it's suddenly ON then OFF. Its a process that will take a few years, but the early speed suggests to me that not only is it happening, but at a rate that is even faster than I expected.

Which has not and will not lead to the demise of college basketball.

Edit: Well I guess that is a matter of opinion.

Xavier has been utilizing transfers pretty heavily for a number of years now. It hasn't made me like Xavier basketball less, for some maybe that is the case.

[nuts4xu]

Once all the big names step into the mix, they can box out the "lower" teams and the ones with fewer resources. This is free agency without a salary cap.

It also could help even the playing field for a school with a large alumni base, and a crazy donor with deep pockets, who has never really been able to recruit players to their school. Florida Atlantic has over 30,000 students and is located in a very nice part of the country. They have never been able to recruit the top notch talent to their program, playing in the 1 bid Atlantic Sun. All it takes is some fat cat to decide he wants to see FAU with 5 star players, and pony up big dollars to buy a roster.

[OTRMUSKIE]

If alumni can give money to the NIL then there is a good chance Tbey won’t give to school too. As an alumni I will donate my money to the NIL bc I want to win. I am sure as hell not going to donate to the school and the NIL. Don’t make that kind of money. The real student is the one who going to suffer from all of this.

[XUBison]

If alumni can give money to the NIL then there is a good chance Tbey won’t give to school too. As an alumni I will donate my money to the NIL bc I want to win. I am sure as hell not going to donate to the school and the NIL. Don’t make that kind of money. The real student is the one who going to suffer from all of this.

I’m not giving a dime to pay players. If this is how it’s going to be, then the school can handle that. By the way everyone, there are real charities out there (and the people they serve) that need your help. I encourage you to check out St. Jude’s or southeastern Guide Dogs before writing that check.

[xukeith]

If alumni can give money to the NIL then there is a good chance Tbey won’t give to school too. As an alumni I will donate my money to the NIL bc I want to win. I am sure as hell not going to donate to the school and the NIL. Don’t make that kind of money. The real student is the one who going to suffer from all of this.

Where do you get the payment info to send NIL $?

Not like deep pocket people advertise their services.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I’m not giving a dime to pay players. If this is how it’s going to be, then the school can handle that. By the way everyone, there are real charities out there (and the people they serve) that need your help. I encourage you to check out St. Jude’s or southeastern Guide Dogs before writing that check.

School can't pay the players (yet). Seems people are having a hard time grasping that.

They can do other things to try and secure funding, etc (well they are, not sure the exact rules).

Everyone is free to spend their own money however they see fit.

Some people will never give a dime to collectives, some will write huge checks, same as it is for everything.

Although given how much consumers spend money on sports in the country, I don't think there will be any shortage of available money for college athletes out there.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Where do you get the payment info to send NIL $?

Not like deep pocket people advertise their services.

Not sure exactly what you're asking. Are you asking how someone donates to Xavier's NIL collective? Someone posted a link that Greg Christopher emailed the other day.

[xavierj]

I’m not giving a dime to pay players. If this is how it’s going to be, then the school can handle that. By the way everyone, there are real charities out there (and the people they serve) that need your help. I encourage you to check out St. Jude’s or southeastern Guide Dogs before writing that check.

No one is forcing anyone to write a check or make a donation. The link posted explains what it is. Everyone is free to donate to whatever they want but also understand that everything you donate to probably doesn’t all go to what you think it does. The reality of what Xavier is trying to do is stay competitive in the basketball space, which will also help the university. Reality is that successful basketball at Xavier is a big part of what keeps the university alive. Without a successful basketball program, small private universities like Xavier could be in trouble. Growing Enrollment is getting tougher and people are going to be less likely to spend money on a private education. The reality is that without some type of NIL program it will be tough for Xavier to stay competitive. Now Xavier is not a pay for play program as Sean has said if a player mentions NIL as a big factor, he will tell them this will not work. They will take care of players in the program but they will not get in that game just to get a player, which is why we shouldn’t expect a big transfer portal splash.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Sean has said if a player mentions NIL as a big factor, he will tell them this will not work. They will take care of players in the program but they will not get in that game just to get a player, which is why we shouldn’t expect a big transfer portal splash.

Can you share where Miller said this? Not saying he didn't I just have not seen it yet. Would like to read his comments on NIL.

[xavierj]

Can you share where Miller said this? Not saying he didn't I just have not seen it yet. Would like to read his comments on NIL.

He mentioned it during one of the coaches shows.

[Dblue]

I had a discussion with someone that works in the athletic department of a mid major school prior to the end of the season. He mentioned that technically the rule prohibiting supporters, alumni, sponsors etc from recruiting players was never removed and technically, negotiating NIL with a an uncommitted player can be grouped in with that rule. He said a number of schools recognize that these NIL bidding wars may come back to bite the schools involved, especially if the NCAA continues to get heavy criticism for the wild west approach. He said his school is expecting the eventual enforcement of NIL can only be negotiated after a commitment or after enrollment.

I don't know the validity of this point of view, or if Xavier shares it, but it could explain Miller's approach to recruiting and the portal.

[stammina0721]

I’m not giving a dime to pay players. If this is how it’s going to be, then the school can handle that. By the way everyone, there are real charities out there (and the people they serve) that need your help. I encourage you to check out St. Jude’s or southeastern Guide Dogs before writing that check.

This. Way too many people who really need help for me to even consider giving money to some college mercenary.

[xavierj]

This. Way too many people who really need help for me to even consider giving money to some college mercenary.

So you don’t think college athletes should be paid when they are bringing the schools millions? If you attend games you are already donating as that money goes to the university that is making money off its athletes. So take away the NIL, but donating to the university or buying tickets is still donating to said mercenaries.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This. Way too many people who really need help for me to even consider giving money to some college mercenary.

Bet you won't call Jack Nunge a mercenary to his face.

[xu82]

Bet you won't call Jack Nunge a mercenary to his face.

Most likely that would require standing on a chair to do so.

[XUGRAD80]

So you don’t think college athletes should be paid when they are bringing the schools millions? If you attend games you are already donating as that money goes to the university that is making money off its athletes. So take away the NIL, but donating to the university or buying tickets is still donating to said mercenaries.

I DON’T think that college athletes should be paid FOR playing their sport. No matter how much money a university is or isn’t making.

I DO think that college athletes should be allowed to make money FROM their skills or their NIL. No different than a music major on scholarship making extra money by teaching the piano. Or a math major making money from tutoring. Or a theatre major doing summer stock work.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I DON’T think that college athletes should be paid FOR playing their sport. No matter how much money a university is or isn’t making.

I DO think that college athletes should be allowed to make money FROM their skills or their NIL. No different than a music major on scholarship making extra money by teaching the piano. Or a math major making money from tutoring. Or a theatre major doing summer stock work.

Your analogy holds only if the student athlete is being paid for services outside of the athletic role----like doing some advertising work or making appearances and receiving an appearance fee. But, if the payments are solely to play a specific sport (like basketball) with no other work or service being performed, that is not the same as a music student teaching piano.

I'm not sure where I stand on NIL at the moment. But I am uncomfortable with a situation where the athlete puts his services up for sale to the highest bidder. I believe the combination of NIL and transfer portal are on the cusp of dramatically changing the college game. Perhaps not for the good.

[XUGRAD80]

Your analogy holds only if the student athlete is being paid for services outside of the athletic role----like doing some advertising work or making appearances and receiving an appearance fee. But, if the payments are solely to play a specific sport (like basketball) with no other work or service being performed, that is not the same as a music student teaching piano.

I'm not sure where I stand on NIL at the moment. But I am uncomfortable with a situation where the athlete puts his services up for sale to the highest bidder. I believe the combination of NIL and transfer portal are on the cusp of dramatically changing the college game. Perhaps not for the good.

If I’m a college athlete and I get paid to put on a clinic during the summer, that’s no different than a music major teaching on the side. In the past, even as a non-scholarship athlete (which the majority of college athletes are) I would have been declared ineligible for doing just that. The whole thing was set up so that athletes didn’t get any special benefits that regular students couldn’t get. But it actually turned out that in many cases regular students had more opportunities to make money than college athletes did.

[Xer4ever]

The problem is not NIL. The problem is the lack of any guard rails leads to massive abuse.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The problem is not NIL. The problem is the lack of any guard rails leads to massive abuse.

How are you defining abuse? Can you give an example of what you mean?

[XUGRAD80]

The problem is not NIL. The problem is the lack of any guard rails leads to massive abuse.

I don’t know that there is currently abuse, but the potential is certainly there for it.

For one example…..there is currently NO limitations on roster size. Potentially that means that a school could have as many players on its roster as they want. IF there were people willing to pay for a players college education as part of NIL package, a school could stockpile players just to keep them away from to other schools. Do I think that is GOING to happen in BB? No, I don’t. But it COULD happen. And I think it WILL happen in some sports. There’s currently no rule keeping it from happening. (I’m thinking about more than just BB at this point.)

There’s also no limitation on HOW MUCH a player can make from an NIL. Nor do I think that under current laws can there be. That means that potentially smaller schools like X could be shut out of ever being able to compete for the top top players, because they just don’t have the deep pockets and the huge alumni bases that many other schools have. Once again, a potential problem and opportunity for abuse.

The lack of direction, limitations, and guidelines means that it is like unfettered capitalism at this point, and I’m afraid that some of the players involved are going to be the ones that get taken advantage of the most.

Once again I LIKE players (of all the sports) having an opportunity to make money while still in school. I just feel that there needs to be some guidelines with the goal being to protect the kids and to give everyone an equal opportunity to participate and compete.

[MHettel]

I don’t know that there is currently abuse, but the potential is certainly there for it.

For one example…..there is currently NO limitations on roster size. Potentially that means that a school could have as many players on its roster as they want. IF there were people willing to pay for a players college education as part of NIL package, a school could stockpile players just to keep them away from to other schools. Do I think that is GOING to happen in BB? No, I don’t. But it COULD happen. And I think it WILL happen in some sports. There’s currently no rule keeping it from happening. (I’m thinking about more than just BB at this point.)

There’s also no limitation on HOW MUCH a player can make from an NIL. Nor do I think that under current laws can there be. That means that potentially smaller schools like X could be shut out of ever being able to compete for the top top players, because they just don’t have the deep pockets and the huge alumni bases that many other schools have. Once again, a potential problem and opportunity for abuse.

The lack of direction, limitations, and guidelines means that it is like unfettered capitalism at this point, and I’m afraid that some of the players involved are going to be the ones that get taken advantage of the most.

Once again I LIKE players (of all the sports) having an opportunity to make money while still in school. I just feel that there needs to be some guidelines with the goal being to protect the kids and to give everyone an equal opportunity to participate and compete.

NCAA website says there can be up to 15 players on a a team. 13 scholarships max.

[waggy]

99.9% of these couldn’t make a dime on true name image or likeness .

[D-West & PO-Z]

For one example…..there is currently NO limitations on roster size.

Huh? This would be news to me.

[94GRAD]

99.9% of these couldn’t make a dime on true name image or likeness .

That is absolutely false. In the past, no athlete could be paid to give lessons in their respective sport. NIL now allows this.

[waggy]

That is absolutely false. In the past, no athlete could be paid to give lessons in their respective sport. NIL now allows this.

Without a school affiliation no one shows up

[D-West & PO-Z]

There’s also no limitation on HOW MUCH a player can make from an NIL. Nor do I think that under current laws can there be. That means that potentially smaller schools like X could be shut out of ever being able to compete for the top top players, because they just don’t have the deep pockets and the huge alumni bases that many other schools have. Once again, a potential problem and opportunity for abuse.


I would argue this is already the case for X. I mean Xavier has never had a McDonald's AA. According to 247 we've never had a top 30 recruit. We have had 4 top 40 recruits in program history. (Or at least as far back as 247 history goes, so I could be wrong if they don't go super far back). So as it stands for the past few decades, X has not been competing for the top of the top players.

The part that could happen that would be much different, that would suck (but doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed) is if a current successful Xavier player decides to transfer to another school who is offering big NIL money. For example if Colby decided not to go pro this year, but decided to transfer instead for big NIL money.

Don't waste your time holding your breath hoping a cap will come on how much a player can earn from NIL. And I wouldn't call it abuse that a player could get any amount.

What I could see happening, is more enforcement in terms of the NCAA monitoring the school's involvement in securing the NIL funds or involvement in the collectives perhaps? I feel like there are rules that are in place related to this that are just being ignored, that might start to be enforced at some point. I could also see a portal window being implemented where there is a smaller window where guys can enter and not just whenever.

[94GRAD]

Without a school affiliation no one shows up

If they weren't good enough, they wouldn't be playing at any school. Chicken and egg

[waggy]

If they weren't good enough, they wouldn't be playing at any school. Chicken and egg

It’s not nil. When they leave college…. Back to zip

[xubrew]

School can't pay the players (yet). Seems people are having a hard time grasping that.

They can do other things to try and secure funding, etc (well they are, not sure the exact rules).

Everyone is free to spend their own money however they see fit.

Some people will never give a dime to collectives, some will write huge checks, same as it is for everything.

Although given how much consumers spend money on sports in the country, I don't think there will be any shortage of available money for college athletes out there.

It depends on who you ask. the Supreme Court says schools can pay players. In fact they said that rather emphatically. That was the decision in the Alston Case. It's a divided court, but they were pretty united on that one.

I think the only question is which school is going to be the first to do it and challenge the NCAA's rule against it. When that happens, I'm betting the NCAA does nothing and changes the rule. That's what they did with NIL when state legislatures started passing laws saying it was illegal for the NCAA to restrict NIL.

[XUGRAD80]

Huh? This would be news to me.

As usual, you think only of mens BB. The NIL affects EVERY sport. And the COURT rulings affect EVERY sport. It’s only a matter of time IMO until roster limitations are a thing of the past. The genie is out of the bottle.

[D-West & PO-Z]

As usual, you think only of mens BB. The NIL affects EVERY sport. And the COURT rulings affect EVERY sport. It’s only a matter of time IMO until roster limitations are a thing of the past. The genie is out of the bottle.

You specifically mentioned you didn't think it was going to happen in men's college basketball in your post, which is in a thread that is under the Men's college basketball section of this board.

But, yeah, I forgot, you are totally right, there will definitely be a risk of cross country teams stockpiling talent with huge NIL money to keep them away from their rivals.

[XUGRAD80]

You specifically mentioned you didn't think it was going to happen in men's college basketball in your post, which is in a thread that is under the Men's college basketball section of this board.

But, yeah, I forgot, you are totally right, there will definitely be a risk of cross country teams stockpiling talent with huge NIL money to keep them away from their rivals.

In a school like Oregon, where they routinely sell out track meets, that a real possibility. Or at a school like Iowa where they sell out the arena for a wrestling meet, it’s a big possibility. Or at UConn and Tennessee where womens BB is more popular than mens, it could certainly break that way. And if it breaks that way for them, and the courts uphold that it is perfectly legal……what’s to stop it from happening in mens BB? Everything that happens to one sport is going to affect all the others.

[Xville]

In a school like Oregon, where they routinely sell out track meets, that a real possibility. Or at a school like Iowa where they sell out the arena for a wrestling meet, it’s a big possibility. Or at UConn and Tennessee where womens BB is more popular than mens, it could certainly break that way. And if it breaks that way for them, and the courts uphold that it is perfectly legal……what’s to stop it from happening in mens BB? Everything that happens to one sport is going to affect all the others.

No one is going to be able to do that because the kids who get nil due to talent, want to ya know, play. So, stockpiling that kind of talent (for the sports that actually matter to the average sports fan) is not going to happen.

[xubrew]

In a school like Oregon, where they routinely sell out track meets, that a real possibility. Or at a school like Iowa where they sell out the arena for a wrestling meet, it’s a big possibility. Or at UConn and Tennessee where womens BB is more popular than mens, it could certainly break that way. And if it breaks that way for them, and the courts uphold that it is perfectly legal……what’s to stop it from happening in mens BB? Everything that happens to one sport is going to affect all the others.

Roster stockpiling already occurs at the D3 level. NIL isn’t really in play, but this already exists in college athletics.

Anyway, I don’t think the limit of 15 in basketball will ever change. If anything I think it will go the other way to where other sports will start capping the roster sizes. There is no legal precedence that I know of that would prevent this from happening.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The top earners in NIL come from men's college basketball and football. In women's it comes in college basketball and gymnastics.

3 of the 4 of those sports I know for sure have roster limits. No idea on gymnastics.

And as xville stated, no one good enough to make significant NIL money wants to go be the 15th, 20th, 30th guy on UK's bench.

There are realistic concerns to NIL, this is not one of them.

[MHettel]

It depends on who you ask. the Supreme Court says schools can pay players. In fact they said that rather emphatically. That was the decision in the Alston Case. It's a divided court, but they were pretty united on that one.

I think the only question is which school is going to be the first to do it and challenge the NCAA's rule against it. When that happens, I'm betting the NCAA does nothing and changes the rule. That's what they did with NIL when state legislatures started passing laws saying it was illegal for the NCAA to restrict NIL.

wondering about whether if a school decides to pay it's players, would it then need to pay ALL players in ALL sports a consistent amount to avoid Title IX issues? Title IX doesnt apply to current NIL money that is not coming from the school.

[xubrew]

wondering about whether if a school decides to pay it's players, would it then need to pay ALL players in ALL sports a consistent amount to avoid Title IX issues? Title IX doesnt apply to current NIL money that is not coming from the school.

I'm guessing that schools would need to be Title IX compliant and that the opportunities would have to be equal.

[xubrew]

The top earners in NIL come from men's college basketball and football. In women's it comes in college basketball and gymnastics.

3 of the 4 of those sports I know for sure have roster limits. No idea on gymnastics.

And as xville stated, no one good enough to make significant NIL money wants to go be the 15th, 20th, 30th guy on UK's bench.

There are realistic concerns to NIL, this is not one of them.

There are no roster limits in football. You can have 200 guys if you want. You just can't have more than 85 on scholarship at the FBS level. At the FCS level it's 53 equivalency scholarships. There are limits on how many you can dress and travel, but you can activate as many as you want.

[XUGRAD80]

No one is going to be able to do that because the kids who get nil due to talent, want to ya know, play. So, stockpiling that kind of talent (for the sports that actually matter to the average sports fan) is not going to happen.

You might not be aware that the reason that the football scholarship level is what it is now is because it actually DID used to happen.

[XUGRAD80]

The top earners in NIL come from men's college basketball and football. In women's it comes in college basketball and gymnastics.

3 of the 4 of those sports I know for sure have roster limits. No idea on gymnastics.

And as xville stated, no one good enough to make significant NIL money wants to go be the 15th, 20th, 30th guy on UK's bench.

There are realistic concerns to NIL, this is not one of them.

You can stick your head in the sand and make believe that it won’t ever happen, but the rules also need to take into account that it COULD happen.

[XUGRAD80]

No one is going to be able to do that because the kids who get nil due to talent, want to ya know, play. So, stockpiling that kind of talent (for the sports that actually matter to the average sports fan) is not going to happen.

You don’t think that there are kids that would be willing to sit on a bench for a few hundred thousand dollars and a free education?

[Xville]

You don’t think that there are kids that would be willing to sit on a bench for a few hundred thousand dollars and a free education?

The ones that would be getting nil money? No, I don’t. I think they’ll go the school that will offer them nil money and the chance to play

[xavierj]

The ones that would be getting nil money? No, I don’t. I think they’ll go the school that will offer them nil money and the chance to play

This is true. A combination of both. They all think they are going to the NBA so first is a really good chance to start and then how much NIL they can get.

[XUGRAD80]

The ones that would be getting nil money? No, I don’t. I think they’ll go the school that will offer them nil money and the chance to play

You might want to check out the NIL program that U of Miami has……..EVERY Football player is getting money.

Those players that X just lost in the transfer portal? They all have assigned NIL values. Will they get it? Maybe, maybe not?

It’s not going to be JUST a select few players that are going to get NIL money. That why schools are soliciting thousands of boosters to give money to a fund. So that the money can be spread out to ALL the players. Schools that have those programs set up are going to get players to go there JUST for the money that they can get. Players that may have been starters at a Mid-America level school are going to be choosing between going to those schools and getting little or no NIL money, or going to sit on the bench and be a backup at a high level school that can get them NIL money. I’ve no doubt that there are going to be players that choose the school to transfer to based on the NIL money they can get, even if it doesn’t provide them the same opportunity to play that another school might.

Xavier, which had the best BB team in Ohio last year, is not going to be able to compete on the NIL level with schools like OSU, UC, Louisville, KY, Indiana, etc. Miller has already stated that he isn’t going to play that game…..because he knows that he can’t at X. Remember that he left once before because he didn’t feel that he could recruit the kind of players he needed to win the championship, at X. The NIL is going to make that even harder to do. And an uncontrolled NIL is going to make it even that much harder.

[Xville]

You might want to check out the NIL program that U of Miami has……..EVERY Football player is getting money.

Those players that X just lost in the transfer portal? They all have assigned NIL values. Will they get it? Maybe, maybe not?

It’s not going to be JUST a select few players that are going to get NIL money. That why schools are soliciting thousands of boosters to give money to a fund. So that the money can be spread out to ALL the players. Schools that have those programs set up are going to get players to go there JUST for the money that they can get. Players that may have been starters at a Mid-America level school are going to be choosing between going to those schools and getting little or no NIL money, or going to sit on the bench and be a backup at a high level school that can get them NIL money. I’ve no doubt that there are going to be players that choose the school to transfer to based on the NIL money they can get, even if it doesn’t provide them the same opportunity to play that another school might.

Xavier, which had the best BB team in Ohio last year, is not going to be able to compete on the NIL level with schools like OSU, UC, Louisville, KY, Indiana, etc. Miller has already stated that he isn’t going to play that game…..because he knows that he can’t at X. Remember that he left once before because he didn’t feel that he could recruit the kind of players he needed to win the championship, at X. The NIL is going to make that even harder to do. And an uncontrolled NIL is going to make it even that much harder.

And many of those Miami players are leaving because of little or no playing time, which was my point

https://caneswarning.com/2022/11/24/miami-football-reportedly-has-5-million-for-transfer-portal/amp/

I disagree that nil is going to make it that much harder for Xavier. We will just have to agree to disagree on that. I think it’s the same as it ever was——there are the haves, the middle and the have nots. Xavier will be in the middle with the chance to grab a final four or two over the next ten years and possibly win a championship imo, basically the same chance it has been since x entered the big East.

[D-West & PO-Z]

There are no roster limits in football. You can have 200 guys if you want. You just can't have more than 85 on scholarship at the FBS level. At the FCS level it's 53 equivalency scholarships. There are limits on how many you can dress and travel, but you can activate as many as you want.

True once the season/school starts, however, they are only allowed to have 105 on the roster in the offseason which would make it difficult to stockpile talented players past that number as suggested.

[D-West & PO-Z]

And many of those Miami players are leaving because of little or no playing time, which was my point

https://caneswarning.com/2022/11/24/miami-football-reportedly-has-5-million-for-transfer-portal/amp/

I disagree that nil is going to make it that much harder for Xavier. We will just have to agree to disagree on that. I think it’s the same as it ever was——there are the haves, the middle and the have nots. Xavier will be in the middle with the chance to grab a final four or two over the next ten years and possibly win a championship imo, basically the same chance it has been since x entered the big East.

100% agree

[D-West & PO-Z]

And many of those Miami players are leaving because of little or no playing time, which was my point

https://caneswarning.com/2022/11/24/miami-football-reportedly-has-5-million-for-transfer-portal/amp/

I disagree that nil is going to make it that much harder for Xavier. We will just have to agree to disagree on that. I think it’s the same as it ever was——there are the haves, the middle and the have nots. Xavier will be in the middle with the chance to grab a final four or two over the next ten years and possibly win a championship imo, basically the same chance it has been since x entered the big East.

If Jack Nunge returns next year (haven't heard much since end of season) there will be one reason and one reason only that he does so, NIL money.

There would have been a 0% chance that a married guy ,who would turn 25 next season, who has already spent 5 seasons in college, would consider coming back for a 6th when he could go make money overseas, if it were not for NIL.

NIL will probably bone X one day, (and maybe has already with some transfers, although nothing that big or hurtful that I've seen yet), but as of now, if Nunge returns, NIL will have only been a positive outcome so far for X.

[xavierj]

You might want to check out the NIL program that U of Miami has……..EVERY Football player is getting money.

Those players that X just lost in the transfer portal? They all have assigned NIL values. Will they get it? Maybe, maybe not?

It’s not going to be JUST a select few players that are going to get NIL money. That why schools are soliciting thousands of boosters to give money to a fund. So that the money can be spread out to ALL the players. Schools that have those programs set up are going to get players to go there JUST for the money that they can get. Players that may have been starters at a Mid-America level school are going to be choosing between going to those schools and getting little or no NIL money, or going to sit on the bench and be a backup at a high level school that can get them NIL money. I’ve no doubt that there are going to be players that choose the school to transfer to based on the NIL money they can get, even if it doesn’t provide them the same opportunity to play that another school might.

Xavier, which had the best BB team in Ohio last year, is not going to be able to compete on the NIL level with schools like OSU, UC, Louisville, KY, Indiana, etc. Miller has already stated that he isn’t going to play that game…..because he knows that he can’t at X. Remember that he left once before because he didn’t feel that he could recruit the kind of players he needed to win the championship, at X. The NIL is going to make that even harder to do. And an uncontrolled NIL is going to make it even that much harder.

Wait what? We just had three of the most unlikely teams in the final 4 and none of them were built on NIL. Don’t get so caught up in it. Xavier and 90% of college basketball teams will be fine. One last thing, Sean is recruiting fine and Xavier will be as good as ever moving forward.

[MHettel]

Wait what? We just had three of the most unlikely teams in the final 4 and none of them were built on NIL. Don’t get so caught up in it. Xavier and 90% of college basketball teams will be fine. One last thing, Sean is recruiting fine and Xavier will be as good as ever moving forward.

Miami and SDSU completely built their teams in the portal.

[murray87]

I guess this will free up some NIL money at U of Miami for the guys:

https://sports.yahoo.com/cavinder-twins-to-leave-miami-and-end-college-basketball-careers-for-new-chapter-193452378.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKgyouY3us9UdBGATjlLlTC_cUCE PFXFEYSaEod3poslzjxdC6WxtDHSjBz7IARGNsSFicIp-lKAGruV0yc8EFKp5zpBMi4xpYzTkQGRt_8LI8tOpB_t-R9vXpM2ApcTJNn3GDT2rljEn3P5bjxyz7L1Fk8guwjG58frMTF 2MbLx

[D-West & PO-Z]

I guess this will free up some NIL money at U of Miami for the guys:

https://sports.yahoo.com/cavinder-twins-to-leave-miami-and-end-college-basketball-careers-for-new-chapter-193452378.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKgyouY3us9UdBGATjlLlTC_cUCE PFXFEYSaEod3poslzjxdC6WxtDHSjBz7IARGNsSFicIp-lKAGruV0yc8EFKp5zpBMi4xpYzTkQGRt_8LI8tOpB_t-R9vXpM2ApcTJNn3GDT2rljEn3P5bjxyz7L1Fk8guwjG58frMTF 2MbLx

I could be wrong but I feel like most of their NIL money has nothing really to do with them playing basketball at UM. I am guessing they have a ton of followers on social media and that their revenue stream is going to remain rather consistent.

Whereas the men's team, guys got paid by some big Miami booster, specifically to come play at Miami. While probably doing some minor endorsement for whatever his company is.

[GoMuskies]

I guess this will free up some NIL money at U of Miami for the guys:

https://sports.yahoo.com/cavinder-twins-to-leave-miami-and-end-college-basketball-careers-for-new-chapter-193452378.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKgyouY3us9UdBGATjlLlTC_cUCE PFXFEYSaEod3poslzjxdC6WxtDHSjBz7IARGNsSFicIp-lKAGruV0yc8EFKp5zpBMi4xpYzTkQGRt_8LI8tOpB_t-R9vXpM2ApcTJNn3GDT2rljEn3P5bjxyz7L1Fk8guwjG58frMTF 2MbLx

Being hot only lasts so long. Gotta cash in while they can! I don't blame them a bit.

[xubrew]

You might not be aware that the reason that the football scholarship level is what it is now is because it actually DID used to happen.

Title IX is pretty much the only reason there are scholarship limits in football. It wasn't because of any desire to create a more fair and competitive balance.

[JTG]

Being hot only lasts so long. Gotta cash in while they can! I don't blame them a bit.

They strike me as an athletic version of the Kardashians.

[xubrew]

Why did baseball get rid of the Reserve Clause??

Why did the NCAA change the rules to allow for NIL??

Why are we probably a year or two away from the NCAA allowing schools to pay players directly??




HINT: It's the same answer to all three questions....

[drudy23]

Being hot only lasts so long. Gotta cash in while they can! I don't blame them a bit.

They quoted a Bible verse so I bet they're going to do something holy. Or maybe they're the chosen ones.

Kids these days...

[XUGRAD80]

They quoted a Bible verse so I bet they're going to do something holy. Or maybe they're the chosen ones.

Kids these days...

They are going to the WWE….along with other marketing deals.

[smileyy]

Title IX is pretty much the only reason there are scholarship limits in football. It wasn't because of any desire to create a more fair and competitive balance.

And that's also why schools have, like, 23 women's rowing scholarships.

[joe titan]

Why did baseball get rid of the Reserve Clause??

Why did the NCAA change the rules to allow for NIL??

Why are we probably a year or two away from the NCAA allowing schools to pay players directly??




HINT: It's the same answer to all three questions....

Because SCOTUS said so. MLB did not get rid of the reserve clause SCOTUS determined it illegal in the Curt Flood case. Same for NIL.

[xubrew]

Because SCOTUS said so. MLB did not get rid of the reserve clause SCOTUS determined it illegal in the Curt Flood case. Same for NIL.

Correct!!

[paulxu]

Quinnipiac head coach Baker Dunleavy stepped down from his position Thursday morning to become Villanova's general manager of basketball.

In his new role, Dunleavy will support men's basketball coach Kyle Neptune and women's basketball coach Denise Dillon with name, image and likeness deals, the transfer portal, marketing and fundraising.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/36178437/baker-dunleavy-resigns-quinnipiac-join-villanova-staff

Who should be our GM of basketball?

[xubrew]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/36178437/baker-dunleavy-resigns-quinnipiac-join-villanova-staff

Who should be our GM of basketball?

Nova is not the first school that has done this.

I don't know how this plays out long term. One thing I have noticed is that I can guess with close to 100% accuracy whether or not a person if above or below the age of fifty based solely on what they think of the NIL rules and transfer portal. Maybe the future fans don't care. Maybe they actually like it.

Either way, the NCAA lost complete control of it. Ironically, the biggest reason why they lost complete control of it was because they insisted on not giving up control of anything when it came to amateurism. Even though many were warning them about this for at least a decade.

[Masterofreality]

Mario Mercurio is already our GM of Basketball. Has been for years and as well qualified as anyone to do the job.
His title may be different but that dude knows where it’s at. Knows the school, culture & tradition.
Feel good about that.