Fouls and Turnovers

[MHettel]

Some teams play aggressive defense, always putting pressure on the ball in the hopes of causing turnovers. Every team coached by Mike Anderson plays this way. St. Johns, currently coached by Anderson plays this way. I HATE playing St. Johns.

My brain tells me that if you want to cause more turnovers, you need to take more defensive risks and do such things as reach in more often, try to poke the ball away from behind, reach in more often, try to block shots more aggressively, reach in more often, and also, reach in more often.

So, the RESULT of this tactic should result in more opponent turnovers, and the expense of more fouls committed.....right????

Well, the numbers tell a different story.

Over the last 13 years, (not counting 2022-23) XU has played 422 games against teams NOT coached by Mike Anderson. For every turnover committed by the opponent, XU has committed 1.44 fouls. Our Opponents have committed 1.57 fouls per XU turnover.

Xu averages 12.47 Turnovers during those games, and the opponents averaged 12.23.

But when it comes to 7 games played (including tonight) against Anderson's Redhawks (or whatever they are), the numbers tell a different story. XU Turns the ball over 15.14 times per game; an increase of 21.4%. But St Johns only commits 1.26 fouls per turnover, which is a decrease of 19.65%.

hmm. So they take MORE chances, commit LESS fouls and get MORE turnovers. Ok.

Maybe the refs just let play a little looser, right?

But in those same games, St. Johns only turns the ball over 10.86 times a game which is 11.32% LESS than a typical XU opponent, and XU commits 1.61 fouls per turnover, which is 11.18% higher than against other opponents.

So, we are left with 3 conclusions. You make your choice (you may select more than one)

1. Anderson's St. Johns teams are superior defensively and force turnovers without committing fouls while protecting the ball at an above average rate.
2. The refs just suck
3. I have too much time on my hands.

[Masterofreality]

Some teams play aggressive defense, always putting pressure on the ball in the hopes of causing turnovers. Every team coached by Mike Anderson plays this way. St. Johns, currently coached by Anderson plays this way. I HATE playing St. Johns.

My brain tells me that if you want to cause more turnovers, you need to take more defensive risks and do such things as reach in more often, try to poke the ball away from behind, reach in more often, try to block shots more aggressively, reach in more often, and also, reach in more often.

So, the RESULT of this tactic should result in more opponent turnovers, and the expense of more fouls committed.....right????

Well, the numbers tell a different story.

Over the last 13 years, (not counting 2022-23) XU has played 422 games against teams NOT coached by Mike Anderson. For every turnover committed by the opponent, XU has committed 1.44 fouls. Our Opponents have committed 1.57 fouls per XU turnover.

Xu averages 12.47 Turnovers during those games, and the opponents averaged 12.23.

But when it comes to 7 games played (including tonight) against Anderson's Redhawks (or whatever they are), the numbers tell a different story. XU Turns the ball over 15.14 times per game; an increase of 21.4%. But St Johns only commits 1.26 fouls per turnover, which is a decrease of 19.65%.

hmm. So they take MORE chances, commit LESS fouls and get MORE turnovers. Ok.

Maybe the refs just let play a little looser, right?

But in those same games, St. Johns only turns the ball over 10.86 times a game which is 11.32% LESS than a typical XU opponent, and XU commits 1.61 fouls per turnover, which is 11.18% higher than against other opponents.

So, we are left with 3 conclusions. You make your choice (you may select more than one)

1. Anderson's St. Johns teams are superior defensively and force turnovers without committing fouls while protecting the ball at an above average rate.
2. The refs just suck
3. I have too much time on my hands.

Obviously the Refs suck. But you do have too much time on your hands Hett! :-))

Actually one explanation for St. John’s lack of turnovers is that they run a simple Chuck and Duck offense. One pass gives very little chance of a TO before a shot goes up.
That’s all I got.

[bjf123]

So, we are left with 3 conclusions. You make your choice (you may select more than one)

1. Anderson's St. Johns teams are superior defensively and force turnovers without committing fouls while protecting the ball at an above average rate.
2. The refs just suck
3. I have too much time on my hands.

I’m going to go with yes. The three are not mutually exclusive.


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[JTG]

Some teams play aggressive defense, always putting pressure on the ball in the hopes of causing turnovers. Every team coached by Mike Anderson plays this way. St. Johns, currently coached by Anderson plays this way. I HATE playing St. Johns.

My brain tells me that if you want to cause more turnovers, you need to take more defensive risks and do such things as reach in more often, try to poke the ball away from behind, reach in more often, try to block shots more aggressively, reach in more often, and also, reach in more often.

So, the RESULT of this tactic should result in more opponent turnovers, and the expense of more fouls committed.....right????

Well, the numbers tell a different story.

Over the last 13 years, (not counting 2022-23) XU has played 422 games against teams NOT coached by Mike Anderson. For every turnover committed by the opponent, XU has committed 1.44 fouls. Our Opponents have committed 1.57 fouls per XU turnover.

Xu averages 12.47 Turnovers during those games, and the opponents averaged 12.23.

But when it comes to 7 games played (including tonight) against Anderson's Redhawks (or whatever they are), the numbers tell a different story. XU Turns the ball over 15.14 times per game; an increase of 21.4%. But St Johns only commits 1.26 fouls per turnover, which is a decrease of 19.65%.

hmm. So they take MORE chances, commit LESS fouls and get MORE turnovers. Ok.

Maybe the refs just let play a little looser, right?

But in those same games, St. Johns only turns the ball over 10.86 times a game which is 11.32% LESS than a typical XU opponent, and XU commits 1.61 fouls per turnover, which is 11.18% higher than against other opponents.

So, we are left with 3 conclusions. You make your choice (you may select more than one)

1. Anderson's St. Johns teams are superior defensively and force turnovers without committing fouls while protecting the ball at an above average rate.
2. The refs just suck
3. I have too much time on my hands.
I'd go with 2 & 3. And I'd add the tie up near the end of the game was gross ref misconduct. The Johnnie who caused the tie up was standing out of bounds, not to mention Free getting unmercifully hacked. Miller pointed this out to the official, who was clueless.

[JTG]

Some teams play aggressive defense, always putting pressure on the ball in the hopes of causing turnovers. Every team coached by Mike Anderson plays this way. St. Johns, currently coached by Anderson plays this way. I HATE playing St. Johns.

My brain tells me that if you want to cause more turnovers, you need to take more defensive risks and do such things as reach in more often, try to poke the ball away from behind, reach in more often, try to block shots more aggressively, reach in more often, and also, reach in more often.

So, the RESULT of this tactic should result in more opponent turnovers, and the expense of more fouls committed.....right????

Well, the numbers tell a different story.

Over the last 13 years, (not counting 2022-23) XU has played 422 games against teams NOT coached by Mike Anderson. For every turnover committed by the opponent, XU has committed 1.44 fouls. Our Opponents have committed 1.57 fouls per XU turnover.

Xu averages 12.47 Turnovers during those games, and the opponents averaged 12.23.

But when it comes to 7 games played (including tonight) against Anderson's Redhawks (or whatever they are), the numbers tell a different story. XU Turns the ball over 15.14 times per game; an increase of 21.4%. But St Johns only commits 1.26 fouls per turnover, which is a decrease of 19.65%.

hmm. So they take MORE chances, commit LESS fouls and get MORE turnovers. Ok.

Maybe the refs just let play a little looser, right?

But in those same games, St. Johns only turns the ball over 10.86 times a game which is 11.32% LESS than a typical XU opponent, and XU commits 1.61 fouls per turnover, which is 11.18% higher than against other opponents.

So, we are left with 3 conclusions. You make your choice (you may select more than one)

1. Anderson's St. Johns teams are superior defensively and force turnovers without committing fouls while protecting the ball at an above average rate.
2. The refs just suck
3. I have too much time on my hands.
I'd go with 2 & 3. And I'd add the tie up near the end of the game was gross ref misconduct. The Johnnie who caused the tie up was standing out of bounds, not to mention Free getting unmercifully hacked. Miller pointed this out to the official, who was clueless.

[bleedXblue]

I think the pace of play makes it harder for the refs to keep up quite honestly. They cant possibly be in a good position(s) to call the normal amount of fouls. So, they keep the whistle in their mouths more than they should.

Now, late in the game they missed a bunch of contact that look very obvious to me........so what do I know?????

[bleedXblue]

I'd go with 2 & 3. And I'd add the tie up near the end of the game was gross ref misconduct. The Johnnie who caused the tie up was standing out of bounds, not to mention Free getting unmercifully hacked. Miller pointed this out to the official, who was clueless.

yes, this some real obvious misses late in the game I thought

[MHettel]

Just getting ready for the most aggravating 2 hours of the season….

[X-band '01]

Yeah, just a tad different from Providence's playing style from Wednesday night.

[Masterofreality]

Talking about fouls.
Hurley at UConn seems to complain about Free Throw discrepancy.
But today against Georgetown UConn only forced 3 fouls vs the Hoyas in the first 19:30 of the second half.
Seems like UCONN’s style of play is the reason?