IARP to be dismantled? (Miller related)

[Muskie]

Link (https://www.azdesertswarm.com/platform/amp/basketball/2022/8/30/23329726/arizona-wildcats-ncaa-iarp-mens-basketball-sean-miller-book-richardson-mark-phelps-recruiting)

Dan Wolken of USA Today (https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=66960X1564651&xs=1&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fsport s%2Fcollege%2Fcolumnist%2Fdan-wolken%2F2022%2F08%2F30%2Fncaa-consider-major-changes-infractions-process-division-i%2F7943166001%2F&referrer=sbnation.com&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.azdesertswarm.com%2Fbasketb all%2F2022%2F8%2F30%2F23329726%2Farizona-wildcats-ncaa-iarp-mens-basketball-sean-miller-book-richardson-mark-phelps-recruiting) is reporting that the NCAA Division I Board of Directors is “expected to adopt several significant modifications to the infractions process” during a meeting Wednesday. Among those changes, per Wolken, would be dismantling the Independent Accountability Review Process (IARP) and doing away with postseason bans.

[paulxu]

Is that like saying "we know Ohio State committed LOTS of major infractions...but we need them in the playoffs for the TV money?"

[Muskie]

It could be, Paul. It's just a system that needs some serious re-working. I know civil litigation can take years... but these things take a ridiculous amount of time.

[noteggs]

It could be, Paul. It's just a system that needs some serious re-working. I know civil litigation can take years... but these things take a ridiculous amount of time.

Exactly, coach and most kids (if not all) have probably left the program through graduation when the infraction(s) occurred. Doesn’t make much sense to ban those from post season 4 years after. Where it does help the school is to get rid of the negative recruiting against them.

[MHettel]

I'm stuck on this one.

I realize that a postseason ban would generally impact players and coaches that had nothing to do with the rules infraction.....so that doesnt make alot of sense to me.

But I'm also stuck on this idea that there is no such thing as a rule if there are not consequences for violating that rule.

So, what will be the consequence of breaking a rule?

[JTG]

Pass an edict that declares the NCAA has 180 days to prove an infraction, otherwise the parties involved are exonerated.

[xudash]

I'm stuck on this one.

I realize that a postseason ban would generally impact players and coaches that had nothing to do with the rules infraction.....so that doesnt make alot of sense to me.

But I'm also stuck on this idea that there is no such thing as a rule if there are not consequences for violating that rule.

So, what will be the consequence of breaking a rule?

No good or clear answer for this when it comes to structuring a solution. How about direct penalties for the Athletic Director if he/she is still at the school, especially if the gravity of the offenses are substantial and it's clear that the culture of that institution made such offenses likely (e.g. Louiseville). Direct penalties for the coach, too, even if they moved on from that institution. DING the people who allowed it to happen - ding the people who made it happen in order to achieve a below the table result.

Another opportunity for litigation for the trial attorneys.

[MHettel]

No good or clear answer for this when it comes to structuring a solution. How about direct penalties for the Athletic Director if he/she is still at the school, especially if the gravity of the offenses are substantial and it's clear that the culture of that institution made such offenses likely (e.g. Louiseville). Direct penalties for the coach, too, even if they moved on from that institution. DING the people who allowed it to happen - ding the people who made it happen in order to achieve a below the table result.

Another opportunity for litigation for the trial attorneys.

Well, those ideas are flawed as well. For Instance Miller may get punished as the HC for Xavier for things that occurred while he was HC at Arizona. Is that fair to XU or the Players?

Now, the XU situation is a little unique because we knowingly hired Miller with these issues pending....but that's not always the case.

personally I believe the punishments should be SWIFTER and more impactful so they are more effective as a deterrent. I'd be in favor of saying a Player that cheats is permanently ineligble. A coach that cheats is banned forever. An AD caught in the mix is also banned forever.

I realize that this may result in taking the occupations from these folks, but they could always get a career in politics.

[xudash]

Well, those ideas are flawed as well. For Instance Miller may get punished as the HC for Xavier for things that occurred while he was HC at Arizona. Is that fair to XU or the Players?

Now, the XU situation is a little unique because we knowingly hired Miller with these issues pending....but that's not always the case.

personally I believe the punishments should be SWIFTER and more impactful so they are more effective as a deterrent. I'd be in favor of saying a Player that cheats is permanently ineligble. A coach that cheats is banned forever. An AD caught in the mix is also banned forever.

I realize that this may result in taking the occupations from these folks, but they could always get a career in politics.

That's fine, but the "flaw" comes in the amount of time required to validate/confirm bad behavior. You're right: punishments should be SWIFTER. The problem with that is that the process for determining bad behavior appears to be cumbersome and slow.

I was proposing to modify behavior through financial Pavlovian Conditioning. You want to take them out completely. I'm fine with that, too.

It's that SWIFTER thing that mucks up a viable solution for all this. Bad actions should receive immediate reactions. That can't be done effectively or objectively now, apparently.

[GoMuskies]

Louisville is a good example, actually. Literally everyone involved in all of their issues is gone. AD, President, coaches, players, all of them. I think even most if not all of the Board of Trustees has turned over. At this point what's the point of punishing Louisville, exactly?

[STL_XUfan]

One of the issues is that the NCAA has trouble proving the violations unless the school's cooperate. Mizzou and North Carolina had similar violations a few years back. Mizzou complied completely and for their cooperation got heavily sanctioned. UNC basically said "F You, prove it" and got off with almost no punishment.

It has been shown that the emperor has no clothes and there is absolutely not reason to cooperate with the NCAA.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Well, those ideas are flawed as well. For Instance Miller may get punished as the HC for Xavier for things that occurred while he was HC at Arizona. Is that fair to XU or the Players?

Now, the XU situation is a little unique because we knowingly hired Miller with these issues pending....but that's not always the case.

personally I believe the punishments should be SWIFTER and more impactful so they are more effective as a deterrent. I'd be in favor of saying a Player that cheats is permanently ineligble. A coach that cheats is banned forever. An AD caught in the mix is also banned forever.

I realize that this may result in taking the occupations from these folks, but they could always get a career in politics.

I totally agree with swifter but making them that extreme, I would imagine, would make the process even longer than it already is. I would think you'd have be very thorough and prove beyond a doubt to ban someone for life.

[deepX]

Louisville is a good example, actually. Literally everyone involved in all of their issues is gone. AD, President, coaches, players, all of them. I think even most if not all of the Board of Trustees has turned over. At this point what's the point of punishing Louisville, exactly?


I'm okay with punishing the Louisville fans...... based on my experience most of them seem to be excessively obnoxious!!

[xubrew]

The IARP was supposed to help expedite things. It did not. It actually took longer in a lot of cases. That's actually the biggest reason it will likely be dissolved.

[Masterofreality]

Does anyone really care anymore?
Hell, Ima even over Louisville.
Just forget the whole thing already and start fresh- which is what I hope the NCAA is doing.
They probably don’t want to dredge up bad memories when this NIL is center stage, especially when *almost* the entire public has moved way beyond.