Journalism is Dead

[Xuperman]

I think most everyone says "no shit" because it is just plain fact.......and has been for way too long.

Can any argument be made that the MSM construct is NOT a propaganda wing of the Democratic party? Are they not pushing the "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda that the Dems clearly embrace?

Then you have Fox News and conservative talk radio doing the same crap. Total political bias.

There must be some gradual return to traditional journalism and straight news. This blatant parroting of political narrative is simply a National cancer. Opinion media is the most corrosive IMO.

[MADXSTER]

Agree. Unfortunately the 30 year olds and younger have never seen anything but biased reporting and opinion added journalism. What we have now is the new norm.

[bjf123]

Agree. Unfortunately the 30 year olds and younger have never seen anything but biased reporting and opinion added journalism. What we have now is the new norm.

And that’s scary as fuck.


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[Strange Brew]

And that’s scary as fuck.


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It's also scary that no one reads anymore. You ask someone of that age to read something like the Constitution and they'll say they don't need to (because they know everything).

[noteggs]

because they know everything.

Oh that phenomenon for 17 to 24 year olds has been going on for decades if not centuries! If you don’t have kids that age, just wait. ;)

[Strange Brew]

Oh that phenomenon for 17 to 24 year olds has been going on for decades if not centuries! If you don’t have kids that age, just wait. ;)

Yeah, but most grew out of it. The under 40 crowd is still "adulting"....

[STL_XUfan]

Yeah, but most grew out of it. The under 40 crowd is still "adulting"....

There a lot of irony here with how often you are confidently wrong about the constitution.

[Strange Brew]

There a lot of irony here with how often you are confidently wrong about the constitution.

Really, how so STL?

[UCGRAD4X]

Oh that phenomenon for 17 to 24 year olds has been going on for decades if not centuries! If you don’t have kids that age, just wait. ;)

The biggest difference is they grew up actually having learned a thing or two in school, and probably at least knew what the constitution was.

[Strange Brew]

The biggest difference is they grew up actually having learned a thing or two in school, and probably at least knew what the constitution was.

Yeah, the Howard Zinnification of America along with Dewey undermined the education system.

[STL_XUfan]

Really, how so STL?
The multiple posts about the Supreme Court in the politics thread

[Strange Brew]

The multiple posts about the Supreme Court in the politics thread

Ok, what did I get wrong?

[Xuperman]

Images are far more powerful politically than anything else IMO.

Why the HELL is FNC not featuring Video from the Boarder on EVERY SHOW they have? Fox News is the only conservative "visual media" source that can effectively go up against the Big 3 and their cable news allies.

I say open every Prime Time show on FNC with LIVE VIDEO from the Boarder. Then have it continue with screen on screen throughout the show. Go even further and have LIVE video of the Big City homeless disaster every night.

Conservative take radio has very significant influence, even with Rush gone, but no visuals severely hampers them, when going up against the massive propaganda wing of the Democratic Party.

I truly believe there is a large percentage of older, traditional center left, voters that have had enough of this Progressive/Socialist experiment. IF exposed to a constant VIDEO stream of the above nightmares the Democrat Party has created, there will be a huge block of registered Dem voters cast their ballots for Republicans.

[paulxu]

These stunts by Republican governors are built on the false idea that the migrants are in the country illegally. Technically, those on the buses and planes are asylum-seekers who have been processed by federal immigration authorities and are awaiting court dates.

It's a tough problem. Most of the people are obviously seeking work or fleeing political unrest. Many have walked for hundreds of miles.
No good answer seems apparent.

What's sort of humorous, is that DeSantis was obviously worried about being out-done by Abbott. So, he takes Florida taxpayer dollars, hires a couple planes, sends them to Texas to pick up 50 asylum seekers, and flies them to Martha's Vineyard. I assume the people in Florida are happy with his little stunt.

[Strange Brew]

It's a tough problem. Most of the people are obviously seeking work or fleeing political unrest. Many have walked for hundreds of miles.
No good answer seems apparent.

What's sort of humorous, is that DeSantis was obviously worried about being out-done by Abbott. So, he takes Florida taxpayer dollars, hires a couple planes, sends them to Texas to pick up 50 asylum seekers, and flies them to Martha's Vineyard. I assume the people in Florida are happy with his little stunt.

The Biden admin has been flying them all over the country (just not where TX and FL are sending them) for about a year now. The media just hasn’t covered it. Why this is being done by these Govs is to make Dems live up to their sanctimonious sanctuary city virtue signaling.

[boozehound]

I think most everyone says "no shit" because it is just plain fact.......and has been for way too long.

Can any argument be made that the MSM construct is NOT a propaganda wing of the Democratic party? Are they not pushing the "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda that the Dems clearly embrace?

Then you have Fox News and conservative talk radio doing the same crap. Total political bias.

There must be some gradual return to traditional journalism and straight news. This blatant parroting of political narrative is simply a National cancer. Opinion media is the most corrosive IMO.


Images are far more powerful politically than anything else IMO.

Why the HELL is FNC not featuring Video from the Boarder on EVERY SHOW they have? Fox News is the only conservative "visual media" source that can effectively go up against the Big 3 and their cable news allies.

I say open every Prime Time show on FNC with LIVE VIDEO from the Boarder. Then have it continue with screen on screen throughout the show. Go even further and have LIVE video of the Big City homeless disaster every night.

Conservative take radio has very significant influence, even with Rush gone, but no visuals severely hampers them, when going up against the massive propaganda wing of the Democratic Party.

I truly believe there is a large percentage of older, traditional center left, voters that have had enough of this Progressive/Socialist experiment. IF exposed to a constant VIDEO stream of the above nightmares the Democrat Party has created, there will be a huge block of registered Dem voters cast their ballots for Republicans.

The juxtaposition of these two posts is an absolute masterclass in unintended irony. Decrying the death of unbiased journalism while 8 posts later complaining that conservative media isn't propagandizing the 'Boarder' effectively enough. Sandwiched in between is a bunch of complaining about 'kids these days'. Chef's kiss.

[GoMuskies]

BYU's student newspaper showed that journalism isn't dead. Granted, they had to walk over the corpses of the NY Times, WAPO and ESPN to do so.

[Xuperman]

The juxtaposition of these two posts is an absolute masterclass in unintended irony. Decrying the death of unbiased journalism while 8 posts later complaining that conservative media isn't propagandizing the 'Boarder' effectively enough. Sandwiched in between is a bunch of complaining about 'kids these days'. Chef's kiss.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Bringing "as it happens" video to the American people would be the epitome of unbiased journalism. The American people deserve to see with their own eyes, ESPECIALLY as it pertains to the unprecedented current shit show at our boarder. Real time images never lie.

Sorry the optics would be devastating to the Party responsible.

[noteggs]

The Biden admin has been flying them all over the country (just not where TX and FL are sending them) for about a year now. The media just hasn’t covered it. Why this is being done by these Govs is to make Dems live up to their sanctimonious sanctuary city virtue signaling.

This is a perfect example for this thread. You rarely hear this (if at all) when they report on what border states are doing. If they did, that would shoot a big hole in the human trafficking narrative.

BTW, looks like the hospitality has ended in MV. Just bused them off the island. Of course now it’s called “voluntarily”.

[UCGRAD4X]

The juxtaposition of these two posts is an absolute masterclass in unintended irony. Decrying the death of unbiased journalism while 8 posts later complaining that conservative media isn't propagandizing the 'Boarder' effectively enough. Sandwiched in between is a bunch of complaining about 'kids these days'. Chef's kiss.

That is an interesting point. It could be argued that instead of spouting talking points and salacious headlines, Fox should actually go down to the border and show what it really going on.

At what point does information transform into propaganda? Context? Selective visuals? Juxtaposition?

[Xuperman]

That is an interesting point. It could be argued that instead of spouting talking points and salacious headlines, Fox should actually go down to the border and show what it really going on.

At what point does information transform into propaganda? Context? Selective visuals? Juxtaposition?

Yes, they should just find places where the activity is heaviest and roll live footage with very little commentary. It would be hard to criticize that as "selective visuals". Open each show with "on the border in real time" along with some kind of official number tracker on illegal crossings. They should interview as many border agents as possible. Would that not be an extremely effective way to inform the American people without being perceived as a political stunt?

Your right, Fox News does a terrible job IMO. It's literally like a broken record, especially Hannity.....I can't watch it.

This mass migration of illegals is the number 1 concern for me out of a really NASTY top 5. How can our tumbling economy and strained infrastructure continue to absorb millions more unskilled workers and their children? The number could actually approach 15 million on Biden's watch unless he somehow changes course. This is horrific folks.

[paulxu]

Maybe a Cato Institute fellow can help you calm down:

https://www.carnegie.org/our-work/article/15-myths-about-immigration-debunked/

Or else you could just go all Tucker:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucker-carlson-warns-migrant-arrival_n_63252664e4b0ed021dfd2b09

[Xuperman]

Maybe a Cato Institute fellow can help you calm down:

https://www.carnegie.org/our-work/article/15-myths-about-immigration-debunked/

Or else you could just go all Tucker:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucker-carlson-warns-migrant-arrival_n_63252664e4b0ed021dfd2b09

Geezus Paul, calm down?
Are you actually trying to sugar coat what Biden is allowing down there?

This situation requires no in depth analysis. NO political narrative. The approximate 5 million individuals that have crossed over illegally are going to cost the American taxpayers a shitload of money.....period.

Let's say half of these new illegals are school aged children. That is nearly 15K per kid in new education cost alone.

https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics#:~:text=Expenditures%20are%20equivalent %20to%203.41,education%20or%20%247%2C058%20per%20s tudent.

I get the impression that you think a good portion of the adults in this massive illegal migration, are educated professionals or skilled blue collar workers. The stone cold reality is that these people, in any large numbers, fit that description is highly unlikely. An extremely high percentage of these illegals, if they work, will fill positions that our spoiled population refuse. Now Paul, that puts them in perfect position to qualify for food stamps, cash assistance and MEDICAID! Use your Google machine Paul, and see what those social services cost the American taxpayer.

I'll ask again Paul.....what do you think of Biden's border policy and what aspects are you in favor of?

[paulxu]

I think Biden is doing a good job of executing the immigration laws as currently written, yes. The border control people have arrested a record number of people, and turned back a record number...notably using Title 42 which has now expired.

I'm going to leave you to wallow in the fever swamp of what the last president started with his announcement of candidacy.
It has only gotten worse with the demonization of people trying to build a better life here.
You throw numbers of 5 million and 15 million around with no support. You rail about costs with no backup, when all the data suggests otherwise.

I supply numbers from immigration control that disprove what you allege, and you just keep repeating talking points from the fevered right wing, from Rush years ago to Tucker today.
You've got to have the "other" to hate and drive emotions.
Just look at clips from Trumps rally in Youngstown where they are playing Q music and raising the Q salute while he rants on and on about the "others."
So, you'll have to continue on your own. If you'd like to read a short speech to calm yourself down about immigration, here are Merrick Garland's words to new immigrants yesterday on the anniversary of the signing of our Constitution.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-merrick-b-garland-administers-oath-allegiance-and-delivers

[Caf]

Immigration as a top issue is a hard sale for me. Obviously an issue, it has been for decades, but I struggle to see how it has any impact on my life. I of course don’t live in a border state which helps.

The source of the current journalism landscape is not that complicated. Only the biggest print journalism outlets have survived. This is inherently skewed toward outlets in densely populated areas which is inherently skewed Democratic. Print journalism still drives all other news mediums leading to an outsize influence of democratic views. Pay for your news.

[Xuperman]

This describes the border situation nicely Paul.

https://freebeacon.com/?p=1636545

Senior DHS official "Either the Biden Administration is uninformed or they're LYING. We CANNOT process the numbers flooding our borders and the administration's solution is scrambling for ways to let people in FASTER"

A record 8,000 a day Paul? If just half are school aged children, at 15K per, that's $60,000,000 per day in new education costs alone. The aforementioned cost for the necessary social services and housing would just be off the chart. Where's that money coming from Paul?

Saying "Biden is doing a good job of executing our immigration laws" is laughable. Immigration law #1.....YOU CAN'T come in ILLEGALLY! So spare us the asylum crap. The vast majority are simply law breakers rushing to cross Biden's welcome mat.

I didn't think any hard working American taxpayer could view this disaster favorably...... congratulations Paul.

[Xuperman]

Immigration as a top issue is a hard sale for me. Obviously an issue, it has been for decades, but I struggle to see how it has any impact on my life. I of course don’t live in a border state which helps.

The source of the current journalism landscape is not that complicated. Only the biggest print journalism outlets have survived. This is inherently skewed toward outlets in densely populated areas which is inherently skewed Democratic. Print journalism still drives all other news mediums leading to an outsize influence of democratic views. Pay for your news.

I only view the mass migration of illegals as the top concern because it is happening in real time and apparently we'll deal with it until January 2025. We will have to borrow or print more money to pay for it, which only exacerbates my #2 concern..... Biden's recession.

[Caf]

I only view the mass migration of illegals as the top concern because it is happening in real time and apparently we'll deal with it until January 2025. We will have to borrow or print more money to pay for it, which only exacerbates my #2 concern..... Biden's recession.

"Biden Recession" is another tough sell. I'd be happy to jump on "Powell's Recession", but this sucker is global.

[Xuperman]

"Biden Recession" is another tough sell. I'd be happy to jump on "Powell's Recession", but this sucker is global.

No hard sell at all. We are officially in a recession and Biden is the POTUS. The Global economy tends to follow our situation since everything revolves around the American Dollar.....for now. Countries have started to refuse buying our T Bonds in very disturbing numbers.

[Caf]

The Global economy tends to follow our situation since everything revolves around the American Dollar.....for now. Countries have started to refuse buying our T Bonds in very disturbing numbers.

What foreign currency and government bonds should I buy then? Dollar is at a 20 year high, should be a great opportunity to sell it if that's true. What safe haven are these countries flocking to?

[Xuperman]

The US dollar is on the verge of being no longer recognized as the standard global currency. Countries that bought our T Bonds with confidence in the past, are not that comfortable now. Biden has us in a recession and we are 30+ TRILLION in debt.

[boozehound]

Immigration as a top issue is a hard sale for me. Obviously an issue, it has been for decades, but I struggle to see how it has any impact on my life. I of course don’t live in a border state which helps.


Not to mention that segments of the agricultural economy are actually reliant on migrant workers to harvest crops at wages below what American worker will accept. There is obviously a 'moral hazard' argument here as well, but I'm speaking purely from an economic perspective. I'm not saying we shouldn't enforce immigration laws, just that it's hard for me to consider it a top priority.

My biggest concern at the moment is probably the ensuring that we continue to have free and fair elections, and don't slide into a system in which people refuse to accept and seek to overturn the results of elections they don't agree with. Our system of government is a big part of why America has been so successful. It's not perfect, but I still think it's the best around and we should protect it at all costs. Country ahead of party. Always.


What foreign currency and government bonds should I buy then? Dollar is at a 20 year high, should be a great opportunity to sell it if that's true. What safe haven are these countries flocking to?

Thank you. In the simplest terms the fed had to raise rates to quell runaway inflation that was primarily the result of shortages driven by production disruptions overseas (mostly China and COVID shutdown related), and shortages in Europe driven by Russia's War on Ukraine. That is driving a recession.

I'd like to see us less dependent of foreign production as an economic priority. What we are seeing right now are the supply chain consequences of too many key good being produced abroad. It took decades to get here, and will probably take decades to get back, but I think we need to start now, and remain committed over multiple administrations (which will be the real challenge).

[UCGRAD4X]

Not to mention that segments of the agricultural economy are actually reliant on migrant workers to harvest crops at wages below what American worker will accept. There is obviously a 'moral hazard' argument here as well, but I'm speaking purely from an economic perspective. I'm not saying we shouldn't enforce immigration laws, just that it's hard for me to consider it a top priority.

My biggest concern at the moment is probably the ensuring that we continue to have free and fair elections, and don't slide into a system in which people refuse to accept and seek to overturn the results of elections they don't agree with. Our system of government is a big part of why America has been so successful. It's not perfect, but I still think it's the best around and we should protect it at all costs. Country ahead of party. Always.

If there are truly so many "migrants" coming across the border every day, I think there will be enough for the agriculture industry for quite some time.

also

“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others. ― Winston S. Churchill

[Caf]

The US dollar is on the verge of being no longer recognized as the standard global currency. Countries that bought our T Bonds with confidence in the past, are not that comfortable now. Biden has us in a recession and we are 30+ TRILLION in debt.

You won't be the first person on this board to wrongly ignore every other reality because you can't get passed politics. The Fed and its handling of inflation and rates is undeniably the trigger for this recession. If you want to talk deficit spending which lead to inflation as the cause (this is your out bud), then you have to talk about every President since Clinton, even your dearly beloved. Then the conversation will go to the impossible task of landing a recovery from an economic recession/shock ('08, '20) without overheating the economy but also not losing capacity.

59% of global reserves are in USD. The next closest, the Euro, is 20% oh by the way those Euro reserves are down 11% versus the dollar since the start of the year. I'm not sure how familiar you are with FX trading but that means people are flocking to the dollar and leaving the Euro, the closest (195% gain away) currency to unseating the dollar. And yes we are in a butt ton in debt, meaning we are issuing an enormous amount of cash, and yet the value of that cash continues to rise. Not sure if you're into this kind of thing, but makes you think.

Why else might a foreign investor not be buying US Treasuries to the same degree. Spoiler alert, it's not repayment risk which does not exist in treasuries.

[Strange Brew]

You won't be the first person on this board to wrongly ignore every other reality because you can't get passed politics. The Fed and its handling of inflation and rates is undeniably the trigger for this recession. If you want to talk deficit spending which lead to inflation as the cause (this is your out bud), then you have to talk about every President since Clinton, even your dearly beloved. Then the conversation will go to the impossible task of landing a recovery from an economic recession/shock ('08, '20) without overheating the economy but also not losing capacity.

59% of global reserves are in USD. The next closest, the Euro, is 20% oh by the way those Euro reserves are down 11% versus the dollar since the start of the year. I'm not sure how familiar you are with FX trading but that means people are flocking to the dollar and leaving the Euro, the closest (195% gain away) currency to unseating the dollar. And yes we are in a butt ton in debt, meaning we are issuing an enormous amount of cash, and yet the value of that cash continues to rise. Not sure if you're into this kind of thing, but makes you think.

Why else might a foreign investor not be buying US Treasuries to the same degree. Spoiler alert, it's not repayment risk which does not exist in treasuries.

Kind of. The immense amount of spending caused the Fed to react. Source of recession is wreckless spending (and the reduction of domestic energy production).

Great, so the $ is the best looking pig of the slop.

[boozehound]

Kind of. The immense amount of spending caused the Fed to react. Source of recession is wreckless spending (and the reduction of domestic energy production).

Great, so the $ is the best looking pig of the slop.

I'm pretty against profligate government spending, but do you really think that government spending (vs supply chain disruptions and shortages of goods) was what forced the fed to react?

In my line of work I deal with current and forward looking projections for a lot of commodity costs, and everything is (or at least was) up astronomically: steel, aluminum, iemi-conductors, nearly all food ingredients, etc. It's hard for me to tie that to government spending rather than a highly (perhaps dangerously) interconnected global supply chain that was severely disrupted. Goods became scarce and the people that had money were willing to pay more to get what they want.

I think that what we are seeing are some of the consequences of an over-reliance on China to produce critical goods, not just for the United States but globally as well. It's the flip side to $200 flat screen TVs. When China shuts down a major port because of 200 COVID cases, the bullwhip effect is massive.

[Xuperman]

You're right CAF,
My in depth knowledge of global finance is pretty weak. However, I can read and there is no shortage of articles like these.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/opinions/editorials/2022/apr/09/us-dollarcomes-underall-round-attack-2439846.amp

https://www.ft.com/content/408d4065-f66d-4368-9095-c6a8743b0d01

If you don't think a financial China/Russia alliance spells bad news for the dollar, you're not paying attention. They are actively seeking ways to keep us from "weaponizing" the USD. Just wait and see what happens when China invades Taiwan.

BTW, I never paid much attention to politics until Obama and his "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda.....it really raised an eyebrow. Now that the Democratic Party is feverishly implementing it, with the MSM in full support, I stay pretty pissed off......with good reason.

[boozehound]

You realize that the two articles linked are (1) a Financial Times article about one person's opinion, and (2) an article from the 'New Indian Express' that consists of 3 paragraphs of broken English with no real clear message.

People have been fear mongering the 'demise of the dollar' for almost 50 years (a point acknowledged in the FT article). I don't see it happening any time soon. If anything, I think that China and Russia are weaker now than they have been for a while. COVID lockdowns in China and Russia's invasion of Ukraine of highlighted the dangers of being too reliant on potentially volatile regimes.

[Xuperman]

Not to mention that segments of the agricultural economy are actually reliant on migrant workers to harvest crops at wages below what American worker will accept. There is obviously a 'moral hazard' argument here as well, but I'm speaking purely from an economic perspective. I'm not saying we shouldn't enforce immigration laws, just that it's hard for me to consider it a top priority.

I grew up around commercial farming, particularly Tobacco. Typically Mexican workers would come for the season and return home after harvest.

This current, all time high, migration of illegals are not them. These people have no intention of leaving, in fact this administration is encouraging them to stay.

"Economic perspective"? My only point, and the source of my concern, is the American taxpayers can not afford 8,000 a day. The cost of supplying food, housing, education, medical for Millions is too heavy a burden. Can someone explain where this massive amount of funds are going to come from? This is nothing short of a economic disaster (not to mention the Fentanyl).....I can't believe it's even debatable.

[Xuperman]

You realize that the two articles linked are (1) a Financial Times article about one person's opinion, and (2) an article from the 'New Indian Express' that consists of 3 paragraphs of broken English with no real clear message.

People have been fear mongering the 'demise of the dollar' for almost 50 years (a point acknowledged in the FT article). I don't see it happening any time soon. If anything, I think that China and Russia are weaker now than they have been for a while. COVID lockdowns in China and Russia's invasion of Ukraine of highlighted the dangers of being too reliant on potentially volatile regimes.

I just posted examples.....there are scores more like them. The reality is when countries like China, Saudi Arabia, Iran start trading with currency other than the USD, it can not be viewed as a positive.

[Strange Brew]

I'm pretty against profligate government spending, but do you really think that government spending (vs supply chain disruptions and shortages of goods) was what forced the fed to react?

In my line of work I deal with current and forward looking projections for a lot of commodity costs, and everything is (or at least was) up astronomically: steel, aluminum, iemi-conductors, nearly all food ingredients, etc. It's hard for me to tie that to government spending rather than a highly (perhaps dangerously) interconnected global supply chain that was severely disrupted. Goods became scarce and the people that had money were willing to pay more to get what they want.

I think that what we are seeing are some of the consequences of an over-reliance on China to produce critical goods, not just for the United States but globally as well. It's the flip side to $200 flat screen TVs. When China shuts down a major port because of 200 COVID cases, the bullwhip effect is massive.

I think it’s both and our recent domestic energy policies are also to blame for inflation and the supply chain issues.

Yes, China’s COVID/trade policies are to blame as well. Our energy policy also made Russia wealthy enough to invade Ukraine and will cause problems in Europe this winter.

[paulxu]

Here's an article about the US dollar:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/21/investing/global-markets-dollar-russia-mobilization/index.html

[boozehound]

I just posted examples.....there are scores more like them. The reality is when countries like China, Saudi Arabia, Iran start trading with currency other than the USD, it can not be viewed as a positive.

Why did you choose those examples, then? You started your post by acknowledging that your knowledge of global finance is pretty week, then posted some pretty weak sources as corroboration for a relatively controversial doom and gloom view of the US Dollar (which is arguably stronger than its ever been). If you have limited knowledge of global finance, how did you arrive at your conclusion? Articles from Indian news sources written in broken English, or is there another source of information?

Here are articles from Charles Schwab, Goldman Sachs, and Reuters highlighting the relative strength of the dollar.

https://www.schwab.com/learn/story/strong-dollar-can-it-continue

https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/pages/is-the-us-dollar-too-strong.html

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/yen-hits-24-year-low-140-level-beckons-hike-bets-buoy-dollar-2022-09-01/

There are plenty of actual problems to worry about, but I struggle to see how the decline of the dollar is one of those problems. At least not for a long time.

Moving past that: What solution would you propose to keep countries like China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia from trading in other currencies?

[boozehound]

I think it’s both and our recent domestic energy policies are also to blame for inflation and the supply chain issues.

Yes, China’s COVID/trade policies are to blame as well. Our energy policy also made Russia wealthy enough to invade Ukraine and will cause problems in Europe this winter.

Specifically what energy policies are you referencing and how would they have prevented inflation and (especially) supply chain issues?

[Strange Brew]

Specifically what energy policies are you referencing and how would they have prevented inflation and (especially) supply chain issues?

Shutting down of pipelines and the extreme focus solely on non fossil fuel sources. Drives up the cost on energy, making everything more expensive to produce.

Higher gas and diesel costs makes anything the moves in the SC more expensive to do so. Which creates supply issues.

[boozehound]

Shutting down of pipelines and the extreme focus solely on non fossil fuel sources. Drives up the cost on energy, making everything more expensive to produce.

Higher gas and diesel costs makes anything the moves in the SC more expensive to do so. Which creates supply issues.

IMO this is a gross oversimplification that is misleading in that it picks one (relatively small) component and places outsized blame.

What pipelines did we shut down, how much oil and gas did they carry, and how much did that impact global energy prices? Are you talking about the permit for the Keystone XL pipeline being revoked or are there other major pipelines that we shut down that I'm not aware of?

Total global oil production is estimated at 100MM barrels per day and the Keystone XL pipeline was intended to carry about 800K barrels per day, which is less than a 10% increase in production even if it was fully operational. Even if the revocation of the permit resulted on 800K fewer barrels of oil produced (which is not the case) it's hard to imagine that the loss of less than a percentage of production caused the types of issues we are seeing today.

I'm not against domestic energy production, or the Keystone XL pipeline by the way. I'm against overly simplistic 'drive by' explanations to complex problems offered without appropriate context.

The supply chain issues existed before energy prices had increased. In fact, when the global supply chain issues started driving prices up fuel and energy were relatively cheap thanks to blunted demand due to COVID shutdowns at home and abroad. Then the savings rate actually surged in the United States for largely the same reasons, and we all were willing to pay more for good because we weren't spending money on vacations, restaurants, etc. Then, and this a big one, Chinese shipping

I'm responsible for the commercial (Go-to-market) strategy for a pretty sizeable business unit in the consumer goods industry so I got an inside look at how much China disrupted (and continues to disrupt) the supply chain. Like everyone else we had a just-in-time supply chain, so when it started taking months to get ships out of Chinese ports and into port in CA it disrupted nearly every facet of our business. My supply chain people were contracting tanker planes to transport key liquid ingredients from China to the US at exorbitant fees, that then got passed on to the consumer.

The COVID stimulus money domestically didn't help either, because when the ships finally arrived the ports didn't have workers to unload them, or short haul truckers to take the shipping containers away from the port.

It's a pretty complex global situation that energy costs played a pretty small role in, IMO. At least until Russia invaded Ukraine, but US Energy policy (at least in the short term) has pretty limited ability to influence that.

[Xuperman]

If you have limited knowledge of global finance, how did you arrive at your conclusion?

Moving past that: What solution would you propose to keep countries like China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia from trading in other currencies?

Well it's definitely not a supper table issue at all, but it's pretty simple. I happened catch a discussion on the radio about the subject....total doom and gloom. It peaked my curiosity, so I used the Google machine and typed in "US dollar in decline". Poof, all kinds of stuff popped up. There is no question that a lot of folks reputable enough to get articles published fear the direction the USD is heading.....I just tend to see it mostly like they do. Going from the USD accounting for 70% of global economy spending to 59% tends to back it up.

Basically, common sense says that the out of control government spending this century, that now has the Federal Debt over 30 TRILLION and rising, tells me the USD is being de-valued.....no question. At what number of debt, coupled with the USDT "printing money", does the USD collapse?

As far as the "trading in other currencies" question. Elect fiscally responsible politicians to hopefully reverse, or at least not continue, the above. Also, apparently, some experts believe that our penchant to recklessly "weaponize the USD" thru sanctions could be drawn back somewhat.

[94GRAD]

Well it's definitely not a supper table issue at all, but it's pretty simple. I happened catch a discussion on the radio about the subject....total doom and gloom. It peaked my curiosity, so I used the Google machine and typed in "US dollar in decline". Poof, all kinds of stuff popped up. There is no question that a lot of folks reputable enough to get articles published fear the direction the USD is heading.....I just tend to see it mostly like they do. Going from the USD accounting for 70% of global economy spending to 59% tends to back it up.

Basically, common sense says that the out of control government spending this century, that now has the Federal Debt over 30 TRILLION and rising, tells me the USD is being de-valued.....no question. At what number of debt, coupled with the USDT "printing money", does the USD collapse?

As far as the "trading in other currencies" question. Elect fiscally responsible politicians to hopefully reverse, at least not continue, the above. Also, apparently, some experts believe that our penchant to recklessly "weaponize the USD" thru sanctions could be drawn back somewhat.

Now type in "Dollar at all-time high" and see what pops up on the Google machine.

[Xuperman]

Specifically what energy policies are you referencing and how would they have prevented inflation and (especially) supply chain issues?

So are you trying to say that our energy independence under Trump, is no different than Biden's day 1 energy policy? This Administration is aggressively implementing Obama's "Fundamentally Transform America" war on the fossil fuel industry. This leads to the political motivated taping of our nations petroleum reserves and begging other countries to do the "green energy sins" of drilling for more oil.

[Xuperman]

Now type in "Dollar at all-time high" and see what pops up on the Google machine.

I did, but the reality of 30 TRILLION+ debt and the progressive movement running rampant, doesn't give me a warm cozy feeling.

[94GRAD]

I did, but the reality of 30 TRILLION+ debt and the progressive movement running rampant, doesn't give me a warm cozy feeling.

So you're just looking for articles that fit your narrative, got it.

[Xville]

So you're just looking for articles that fit your narrative, got it.

ding ding ding. I'm starting to think lou and xup are the same person. Lou has been gone for a while....suspicious.

[Xuperman]

So you're just looking for articles that fit your narrative, got it.

No, I just am thinking 30+ TRILLION in debt can not be good for the USD Globally. I struggle to grasp what number does it take to collapse the USD? 40T, 50T?

These unfathomable numbers are simply highly unstable digital currency with no backing other than the USA status as the world's greatest economic power. Unfortunately, that is rapidly changing, because America is firmly committed to the "New Green Deal", while the world's most flagrant polluters thumb the nose and LAUGH!

Google the history of the collapse of the German Mark in early 20th century.

[Xville]

Well it's definitely not a supper table issue at all, but it's pretty simple. I happened catch a discussion on the radio about the subject....total doom and gloom. It peaked my curiosity, so I used the Google machine and typed in "US dollar in decline". Poof, all kinds of stuff popped up. There is no question that a lot of folks reputable enough to get articles published fear the direction the USD is heading.....I just tend to see it mostly like they do. Going from the USD accounting for 70% of global economy spending to 59% tends to back it up.

Basically, common sense says that the out of control government spending this century, that now has the Federal Debt over 30 TRILLION and rising, tells me the USD is being de-valued.....no question. At what number of debt, coupled with the USDT "printing money", does the USD collapse?

As far as the "trading in other currencies" question. Elect fiscally responsible politicians to hopefully reverse, or at least not continue, the above. Also, apparently, some experts believe that our penchant to recklessly "weaponize the USD" thru sanctions could be drawn back somewhat.

Who is they and what source are you referring to, because the ones you offered are not reputable. A broken english opinion commentary, and an opinion piece from someone whose expertise on the economy is being a journalist...a british one at that, speaking to the dollar is not reputable. I say that because his opinion is filled with a bunch of ifs and buts and not actual facts. It's fear mongering...something that politicans do to win elections, and something that conservative and liberal news outlets do to get clicks.

I'll take the insight from Schwab and GS, and leave the fear mongering

[Xuperman]

ding ding ding. I'm starting to think lou and xup are the same person. Lou has been gone for a while....suspicious.

Quit clowning around 'Ville. I have made my view very clear. Lou is a hardcore Trumpist, I, on the other hand, want him to NOT seek the '24 nomination and back ANY candidate that can continue his America First policies.

Here is what I call my "NASTY 5" issues with Biden and the radical progressive movement that is building on Obama's "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda.

#1- ALL TIME record of ILLEGAL border crossings.....8K per DAY.....No way to afford this. AND the Administration's new talking point solution, is to quickly fashion legislation for a path to CITIZENSHIP!

#2, Close 2nd- The appalling Nation wide increase in VIOLENT CRIME in big Dem run cities. The Anti-Law Enforcement shackles, from demoralized cops, to drastically dangerous sentencing guidelines and ridiculous "NO BOND" policies.

#3- The progressive "Green New Deal" Wacko's, that seriously believe our economy can run on Wind and Solar! All the while the world's biggest polluters are laughing and laughing and laughing at how stupidly we are.

#4- This trend of no confidence in our ELECTIONS. Every single eligible American Voter should be issued an official Voter ID, FREE if necessary. This horse shit about it hurting the poor's ability to access their voting rights is comical. You have to show ID in a wide range of adult activity....but not when it comes to one of our most important Constitutional rights?

#5- We are rapidly losing the hearts and minds of our elementary aged children. Obama surely embraces the teaching of CRT and White Privilege, systematic racism and the fomenting of White guilt. Not to mention the progressive insistence on gender "pronouns" and the twisted sexualization of our youngest students in public schools.

How does any rational American vote for this poison? How?

[xuphan]

ding ding ding. I'm starting to think lou and xup are the same person. Lou has been gone for a while....suspicious.

I have always wondered if coaches (ex. Miller, Mack, Steele) or current/former basketball players have created accounts on here to poke fun at the fans. Part of me believes that it has happened before but we will never know.

[paulxu]

Is Obama running for office again?

[Xuperman]

Is Obama running for office again?

Thanks for that Wednesday night chuckle Paul.

[paulxu]

Here's your morning chuckle.

I know Hannity is not a real journalist, but he does do interviews for the media.
He was interviewing the former president, who claimed (I kid you not)

So, You can declassify just by saying, ‘It’s declassified.’ Even by thinking about it.”

I watch Fox sometimes to get the view from the far right, but it might not be good for me. I should have turned it off when he said the FBI might have been at Mar-a-Lago looking for Hillary's emails. (????)

[boozehound]

Well it's definitely not a supper table issue at all, but it's pretty simple. I happened catch a discussion on the radio about the subject....total doom and gloom. It peaked my curiosity, so I used the Google machine and typed in "US dollar in decline". Poof, all kinds of stuff popped up. There is no question that a lot of folks reputable enough to get articles published fear the direction the USD is heading.....I just tend to see it mostly like they do. Going from the USD accounting for 70% of global economy spending to 59% tends to back it up.

Basically, common sense says that the out of control government spending this century, that now has the Federal Debt over 30 TRILLION and rising, tells me the USD is being de-valued.....no question. At what number of debt, coupled with the USDT "printing money", does the USD collapse?

As far as the "trading in other currencies" question. Elect fiscally responsible politicians to hopefully reverse, or at least not continue, the above. Also, apparently, some experts believe that our penchant to recklessly "weaponize the USD" thru sanctions could be drawn back somewhat.

So you developed (or more likely read on conservative media) a theory about the decline of the dollar and googled 'decline of the dollar', found some questionable opinion pieces that you posted links to as backup and you honestly expect anyone to take you seriously? Try 'bias confirmation' for your next google search.


So are you trying to say that our energy independence under Trump, is no different than Biden's day 1 energy policy? This Administration is aggressively implementing Obama's "Fundamentally Transform America" war on the fossil fuel industry. This leads to the political motivated taping of our nations petroleum reserves and begging other countries to do the "green energy sins" of drilling for more oil.

Explain our 'energy independence under Trump', and how that has changed, please. US Energy production is down minimally from it's high in 2019, but exports are up and still exceed imports.

Here is a link showing net energy production, consumption, imports, and exports.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/imports-and-exports.php

Here is another article from Forbes that specifically addresses the misinformation to which you seem to have fallen victim:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/03/08/surprise-the-us-is-still-energy-independent/?sh=395c310b30b6

And what the hell is Obama's "Fundamentally Transform America" policy? It seems like it's just a catch all of stuff that you either don't agree with, don't fully comprehend, or both.

Finally, I'll concede your point about the taping of our Nation's petroleum reserves. That doesn't sound good at all, and we should put a stop to it. What kind of tape are they using? Duct tape? Scotch tape? Are they taping them shut so we can't get the oil out? I NEED TO KNOW!!!


No, I just am thinking 30+ TRILLION in debt can not be good for the USD Globally. I struggle to grasp what number does it take to collapse the USD? 40T, 50T?

These unfathomable numbers are simply highly unstable digital currency with no backing other than the USA status as the world's greatest economic power. Unfortunately, that is rapidly changing, because America is firmly committed to the "New Green Deal", while the world's most flagrant polluters thumb the nose and LAUGH!

Google the history of the collapse of the German Mark in early 20th century.

I'm not really sure how to answer this, because I don't know exactly what you are saying. I'm not sure you do, either. You seem to have an overarching abstract view that America is on the verge of collapse because of the Green New Deal. How is the Green New Deal going to lead to our decline as an economic superpower? Do you know what's in the Green New Deal? Hint: It's mostly bullshit non-binding resolutions to appease the far left, coupled with some spending against our existing energy infrastructure and some tax credits for clean energy. It targets 100% renewable energy by (I think) 2050 without spelling out or legislating how we will get there (we won't). It's also dead as soon as Republicans retake congress, which will definitely happen before 2050. I'm not a big fan of it, but I also don't view it as highly significant in the 'soup' of things the government spends money on.

[Xville]

Quit clowning around 'Ville. I have made my view very clear. Lou is a hardcore Trumpist, I, on the other hand, want him to NOT seek the '24 nomination and back ANY candidate that can continue his America First policies.

Here is what I call my "NASTY 5" issues with Biden and the radical progressive movement that is building on Obama's "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda.

#1- ALL TIME record of ILLEGAL border crossings.....8K per DAY.....No way to afford this. AND the Administration's new talking point solution, is to quickly fashion legislation for a path to CITIZENSHIP!

#2, Close 2nd- The appalling Nation wide increase in VIOLENT CRIME in big Dem run cities. The Anti-Law Enforcement shackles, from demoralized cops, to drastically dangerous sentencing guidelines and ridiculous "NO BOND" policies.

#3- The progressive "Green New Deal" Wacko's, that seriously believe our economy can run on Wind and Solar! All the while the world's biggest polluters are laughing and laughing and laughing at how stupidly we are.

#4- This trend of no confidence in our ELECTIONS. Every single eligible American Voter should be issued an official Voter ID, FREE if necessary. This horse shit about it hurting the poor's ability to access their voting rights is comical. You have to show ID in a wide range of adult activity....but not when it comes to one of our most important Constitutional rights?

#5- We are rapidly losing the hearts and minds of our elementary aged children. Obama surely embraces the teaching of CRT and White Privilege, systematic racism and the fomenting of White guilt. Not to mention the progressive insistence on gender "pronouns" and the twisted sexualization of our youngest students in public schools.

How does any rational American vote for this poison? How?

1.) Do you have links to back up that Illegal number?
2.) Do you have stats to back up that increase? Cities have had violent crime for decades. I'm all for looking at different ways to curb crime and violence...ill give you a hint...just locking them up in a jail cell hasn't been working. Are you aware that almost half a million people are sitting in a jail cell currently that are innocent and thats costing tax payers money?
3.) This green new deal you are so afraid of...what exactly are you afraid of? Just like anything there are some parts of it that are good and will be implemented, the rest will be thrown out once republicans take office. Globally, we need to start looking at alternative sources as that kind of implementation takes decades.d
4.) Something I do agree...there should be Voter Id....IF free though, who is paying for that?
5.) Most of this is complete baloney. Most of it is simple fear mongering click-bait nonsense. And, if people want to identify as he, she, it, tree, chair...who cares? Is this something to get that worked up over? Why are we talking about Obama?

[boozehound]

#5- We are rapidly losing the hearts and minds of our elementary aged children. Obama surely embraces the teaching of CRT and White Privilege, systematic racism and the fomenting of White guilt. Not to mention the progressive insistence on gender "pronouns" and the twisted sexualization of our youngest students in public schools.


This is complete bullshit. CRT isn't even a thing in elementary school, and all this other crap is just conservative talking points aimed at older rural white people and designed to get them fired up about the world changing. It's a tale as old as time.

This thread has been quite a journey. You started this thread decrying the lack of unbiased Journalism, quickly pivoted to anger at why right wing media wasn't sensationalizing the crisis at 'the boarder', and subsequently launched into full-on right wing talking points with little context or ability to provide supporting arguments.

It seems like basically the point of this thread is that you don't want unbiased journalism, you want more media to confirm to your bias.

[boozehound]

I think most everyone says "no shit" because it is just plain fact.......and has been for way too long.

Can any argument be made that the MSM construct is NOT a propaganda wing of the Democratic party? Are they not pushing the "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda that the Dems clearly embrace?

Then you have Fox News and conservative talk radio doing the same crap. Total political bias.

There must be some gradual return to traditional journalism and straight news. This blatant parroting of political narrative is simply a National cancer. Opinion media is the most corrosive IMO.


Quit clowning around 'Ville. I have made my view very clear. Lou is a hardcore Trumpist, I, on the other hand, want him to NOT seek the '24 nomination and back ANY candidate that can continue his America First policies.

Here is what I call my "NASTY 5" issues with Biden and the radical progressive movement that is building on Obama's "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda.

#1- ALL TIME record of ILLEGAL border crossings.....8K per DAY.....No way to afford this. AND the Administration's new talking point solution, is to quickly fashion legislation for a path to CITIZENSHIP!

#2, Close 2nd- The appalling Nation wide increase in VIOLENT CRIME in big Dem run cities. The Anti-Law Enforcement shackles, from demoralized cops, to drastically dangerous sentencing guidelines and ridiculous "NO BOND" policies.

#3- The progressive "Green New Deal" Wacko's, that seriously believe our economy can run on Wind and Solar! All the while the world's biggest polluters are laughing and laughing and laughing at how stupidly we are.

#4- This trend of no confidence in our ELECTIONS. Every single eligible American Voter should be issued an official Voter ID, FREE if necessary. This horse shit about it hurting the poor's ability to access their voting rights is comical. You have to show ID in a wide range of adult activity....but not when it comes to one of our most important Constitutional rights?

#5- We are rapidly losing the hearts and minds of our elementary aged children. Obama surely embraces the teaching of CRT and White Privilege, systematic racism and the fomenting of White guilt. Not to mention the progressive insistence on gender "pronouns" and the twisted sexualization of our youngest students in public schools.

How does any rational American vote for this poison? How?

These two posts together pretty much sum up this thread. Good lord.

[Xuperman]

The point of the thread was to highlight how painfully polarized we have become as a country.

Unbiased factual news is basically non existent. In fact, everything on screen, print, social media and E-Info has lost any sensible middle ground. News has become only narrative mouth pieces in support of the equally mass polarization of our 2 major political parties.

So here we are, debating our country's current reality and, more importantly, our future in the 21st century. Yes, it's a X BBall board for sure, but I think it's a microcosm of the National State of mind, politically.

What fascinates me is that regardless of what links are provided, the other side simply discredits the source as politically bias.

There ARE NO alternate facts that the southern border is recording record numbers of illegals over Biden's welcome mat.

There ARE NO alternate facts that Law enforcement is being drastically demoralized and Big Dem City crime is setting all time records.

There ARE NO alternate facts that the progressive GND coalition of the Democratic party, is actively demanding the destruction of the Fossil Fuel industry.

There ARE NO alternate facts that point to a "systematic racism and white privilege" reality not being aggressively implemented, by progressives, in every corner of our society. In fact, it is basically being INSISTED upon.

There ARE NO alternate facts that our Federal Teachers Unions are insisting on gender identity awareness and alternate traditional sexual approval, is not happening as we speak.

Plz, can y'all not ask me to provide proof. Don't waste time posting it's just Right Wing "talking poins". It's clearly a very disturbing state of affairs and any rational citizen can see it.....crystal.

How do you vote for this "Fundamentally Transform America" playbook?

[paulxu]

There ARE NO alternate facts that Law enforcement is being drastically demoralized and Big Dem City crime is setting all time records.


Despite politicized claims that this rise was the result of criminal justice reform in liberal-leaning jurisdictions, murders rose roughly equally in cities run by Republicans and cities run by Democrats. So-called “red” states actually saw some of the highest murder rates of all.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/myths-and-realities-understanding-recent-trends-violent-crime

See why it's often hard to take your listings seriously?

[Xuperman]

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/myths-and-realities-understanding-recent-trends-violent-crime

See why it's often hard to take your listings seriously?

That doesn't faze me one iota Paul.

Like I said before, I never posted anything on these political threads, or even clicked on them, until Biden. For the same reason I prefer to focus on left wing media, I wanted to get the liberal point of view here.

It has become crystal clear that the polarized political climate has become so extreme, that reasonable folks can not agree on what used to be a given.

That allowing a record number of illegals cross our border daily, with no medical screening, is a terrible idea (let's not forget Fentanyl).

That the BLM movement demoralizing our men and women in Blue, to the point they are simply not engaging with criminals as necessary out of fear of prosecution OR just saying F it altogether, is dangerous.

That our Public Schools implementing progressive curriculum focused on gender identity and alternate sexual life styles for young students, w/o PARENTAL consent, is unacceptable.

That white people being pressured to acknowledge perceived systematic racism, white privilege is extremely divisive.

Where people can literally crap on city streets, openly have sex or shoot up and blatantly shop lift, with ZERO repercussions.....is the beginning of a truly demented society.

Stunningly, Paul, Booze, 'Ville, bobbie and the like, just skip along and whistle a happy tune. Sad.

[boozehound]

OK, now I know that this definitely XU_Lou, or a close relative.


The point of the thread was to highlight how painfully polarized we have become as a country.

Unbiased factual news is basically non existent. In fact, everything on screen, print, social media and E-Info has lost any sensible middle ground. News has become only narrative mouth pieces in support of the equally mass polarization of our 2 major political parties.

I agree with the premise here. For example, you have clearly been radicalized by the media.



Plz, can y'all not ask me to provide proof. Don't waste time posting it's just Right Wing "talking poins". It's clearly a very disturbing state of affairs and any rational citizen can see it.....crystal.

How do you vote for this "Fundamentally Transform America" playbook?

Outstanding. My man won't provide proof to back up his 'talking poins'. Also misspells 'talking points'. Hard to argue with a man who can't back up his poins (and doesn't even try).




Like I said before, I never posted anything on these political threads, or even clicked on them, until Biden. For the same reason I prefer to focus on left wing media, I wanted to get the liberal point of view here.

It has become crystal clear that the polarized political climate has become so extreme, that reasonable folks can not agree on what used to be a given.

That allowing a record number of illegals cross our border daily, with no medical screening, is a terrible idea (let's not forget Fentanyl).

That the BLM movement demoralizing our men and women in Blue, to the point they are simply not engaging with criminals as necessary out of fear of prosecution OR just saying F it altogether, is dangerous.

That our Public Schools implementing progressive curriculum focused on gender identity and alternate sexual life styles for young students, w/o PARENTAL consent, is unacceptable.

That white people being pressured to acknowledge perceived systematic racism, white privilege is extremely divisive.

Where people can literally crap on city streets, openly have sex or shoot up and blatantly shop lift, with ZERO repercussions.....is the beginning of a truly demented society.

Stunningly, Paul, Booze, 'Ville, bobbie and the like, just skip along and whistle a happy tune. Sad.

Yep, definitely XU_Lou. Congratulations, Lou. I took the bait. Now you go on ignore again.

[xuphan]

OK, now I know that this definitely XU_Lou, or a close relative.



I agree with the premise here. For example, you have clearly been radicalized by the media.



Outstanding. My man won't provide proof to back up his 'talking poins'. Also misspells 'talking points'. Hard to argue with a man who can't back up his poins (and doesn't even try).



Yep, definitely XU_Lou. Congratulations, Lou. I took the bait. Now you go on ignore again.

Wait, so XU_Lou and Xuperman are the same person?

[paulxu]

It's really Muddy Waters in disguise.

[Masterofreality]

Over 20 NYT stories over the past month mention "political violence"

ZERO mentions of Cayler Ellingson, the North Dakota Conservative teen who was vehicle Murdered by a Democrat Socialist. The only American who has been murdered in an act of political violence in that time.

[Xville]

The point of the thread was to highlight how painfully polarized we have become as a country.

Unbiased factual news is basically non existent. In fact, everything on screen, print, social media and E-Info has lost any sensible middle ground. News has become only narrative mouth pieces in support of the equally mass polarization of our 2 major political parties.

So here we are, debating our country's current reality and, more importantly, our future in the 21st century. Yes, it's a X BBall board for sure, but I think it's a microcosm of the National State of mind, politically.

What fascinates me is that regardless of what links are provided, the other side simply discredits the source as politically bias.

There ARE NO alternate facts that the southern border is recording record numbers of illegals over Biden's welcome mat.

There ARE NO alternate facts that Law enforcement is being drastically demoralized and Big Dem City crime is setting all time records.

There ARE NO alternate facts that the progressive GND coalition of the Democratic party, is actively demanding the destruction of the Fossil Fuel industry.

There ARE NO alternate facts that point to a "systematic racism and white privilege" reality not being aggressively implemented, by progressives, in every corner of our society. In fact, it is basically being INSISTED upon.

There ARE NO alternate facts that our Federal Teachers Unions are insisting on gender identity awareness and alternate traditional sexual approval, is not happening as we speak.

Plz, can y'all not ask me to provide proof. Don't waste time posting it's just Right Wing "talking poins". It's clearly a very disturbing state of affairs and any rational citizen can see it.....crystal.

How do you vote for this "Fundamentally Transform America" playbook?

The "point" that you had for this thread and the result are quite different. The result of this thread is that we are now keenly aware that you have been radicalized by Deep Red State talking points. Most of what you are so concerned with and afraid of aren't actual real things, they are just political talking points to scare you by the election deniers of the world, and/or implemented in small recesses in the country.

Do some extreme left wing people/politicians want some of the identity politics that you describe above? Sure, but you are asking people on here to defend those extreme talking points that barely exist. No one is going to do that because 1.) they barely register in real life and 2.) they aren't defensible.

If you want to speak to just the border patrol policies and police reform, ok that's fair and something that can be debated on. However, let's stop with the every democrat wants complete open borders, zero police and murderers to roam free rhetoric that you seem to be insisting on.

[Xville]

Over 20 NYT stories over the past month mention "political violence"

ZERO mentions of Cayler Ellingson, the North Dakota Conservative teen who was vehicle Murdered by a Democrat Socialist. The only American who has been murdered in an act of political violence in that time.

You base this on what exactly? The guy who killed the 18 year old's statements? I found a ton of links mentioning the political argument, or did I just misunderstand you and you are speaking to the NY times "journalism."

https://nypost.com/2022/09/23/north-dakota-official-says-no-evidence-to-shannon-brandts-claim-cayler-ellingson-was-republican-extremist/

[paulxu]

Maybe some Breitbart involved.

[Masterofreality]

You base this on what exactly? The guy who killed the 18 year old's statements? I found a ton of links mentioning the political argument, or did I just misunderstand you and you are speaking to the NY times "journalism."

https://nypost.com/2022/09/23/north-dakota-official-says-no-evidence-to-shannon-brandts-claim-cayler-ellingson-was-republican-extremist/

The New York Times, CNN, Washington Post, MSNBC. But in my very first sentence I referenced the “NYT”. Sorry if it wasn’t clear enough. But All the usual suspects had no reporting.
I also link to the New York Post below. Fox also has had a story about it I understand. https://nypost.com/2022/09/23/north-dakota-official-says-no-evidence-to-shannon-brandts-claim-cayler-ellingson-was-republican-extremist/

[Masterofreality]

Maybe some Breitbart involved.

In what way? There actually have been two killings by Leftists in the last 10 days- one of them was of a journalist in Las Vegas by an elected Democratic official.
Where is Jim Acosta crying that “Journalists will die” after Biden has a prime time speech calling half the country threats and radicals?
The only people who have died have been Republicans at the hands of Democrats. Let’s not even talk about Dave Chappelle being attacked on stage.
Sit this one out Paul.

[Xville]

The New York Times, CNN, Washington Post, MSNBC. The usual suspects.
I also link to the New York Post below. Fox also has had a story about it I understand. https://nypost.com/2022/09/23/north-dakota-official-says-no-evidence-to-shannon-brandts-claim-cayler-ellingson-was-republican-extremist/

ok so what exactly do you have a problem with, because in the stories they say there was no evidence that the teen was a "republican extremist," or they don't mention that the murderer was a "democratic socialis?" Kind of a weird thing to get your panties in a bunch over.

[Masterofreality]

ok so what exactly do you have a problem with?

Uh, the lack of Journalistic ethics from the New York Times? Pretty clear isn’t it?

[Strange Brew]

ok so what exactly do you have a problem with, because in the stories they say there was no evidence that the teen was a "republican extremist," or they don't mention that the murderer was a "democratic socialis?" Kind of a weird thing to get your panties in a bunch over.

I think you just proved the point of this thread…

[Xville]

Uh, the lack of Journalistic ethics from the New York Times? Pretty clear isn’t it?

ok because the ny times didn't pick up the story. Those other "political violence" stories...were they republicans murdering democrats?

[paulxu]

ok so what exactly do you have a problem with, because in the stories they say there was no evidence that the teen was a "republican extremist," or they don't mention that the murderer was a "democratic socialis?" Kind of a weird thing to get your panties in a bunch over.

It would be interesting to have a link to something that claimed (let alone proved) that the guy was a "democratic socialist." I didn't see a link.

One NY Post story says this:

After the crash, Brandt reportedly told police he had been drinking and was found to have a blood alcohol level of .08, the legal limit
.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/23/north-dakota-official-says-no-evidence-to-shannon-brandts-claim-cayler-ellingson-was-republican-extremist/

The first NY Post story says this:

A breathalyzer test determined that Brandt’s blood-alcohol level was above the legal limit of 0.08.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/22/man-accused-of-mowing-down-republican-teen-appears-in-court/

Need some editors there.

[paulxu]

In what way? There actually have been two killings by Leftists in the last 10 days- one of them was of a journalist in Las Vegas by an elected Democratic official.
Where is Jim Acosta crying that “Journalists will die” after Biden has a prime time speech calling half the country threats and radicals?
The only people who have died have been Republicans at the hands of Democrats. Let’s not even talk about Dave Chappelle being attacked on stage.
Sit this one out Paul.

I'm a supporting member and will probably post where I feel like it.
No one, least of all me, is supporting the murder of the journalist in Las Vegas.
I suspect his death had to do with investigating the guy who killed him, and not that the guy was a Republican or Democrat.
I'm much more worried about our political leaders, nationally, demonizing the press.
As this article notes:

American journalists are also navigating an increased politicization of their work. Former President Donald Trump and the Republican Party have made attacks on news media central to their politics since 2016.
https://www.voanews.com/a/us-official-charged-in-reporter-killing-as-threats-to-media-rise-globally/6757264.html

There's ample evidence here on our on pages at Xavierhoops, that people have bought into that narrative of demonizing the press.

[Masterofreality]

ok because the ny times didn't pick up the story. Those other "political violence" stories...were they republicans murdering democrats?

No Democrat has been murdered by a Republican. But let’s’ never forget Steve Scalise and other Repubs who were *almost murdered practicing for a softball game by a radical democrat and Rand Paul and his wife who were attacked by a liberal mob.
How many examples do you need?

[Masterofreality]

I'm a supporting member and will probably post where I feel like it.
No one, least of all me, is supporting the murder of the journalist in Las Vegas.
I suspect his death had to do with investigating the guy who killed him, and not that the guy was a Republican or Democrat.
I'm much more worried about our political leaders, nationally, demonizing the press.
As this article notes:

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-official-charged-in-reporter-killing-as-threats-to-media-rise-globally/6757264.html

There's ample evidence here on our on pages at Xavierhoops, that people have bought into that narrative of demonizing the press.

There goes Paul, “Suspecting” again.
The Democrat office holder stabbed a Journalist to death because the Journalist was doing his job- reporting on the officeholder which contributed to the officeholder’s loss. Sure seems like Political violence vs the media to me. Pray tell, how many Republicans have stabbed or shot reporters, Paul?
Stop “suspecting” and assuming.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/homicides/police-arrest-county-official-in-reporters-stabbing-death-2635486/

[Masterofreality]

It would be interesting to have a link to something that claimed (let alone proved) that the guy was a "democratic socialist." I didn't see a link.

One NY Post story says this:

https://nypost.com/2022/09/23/north-dakota-official-says-no-evidence-to-shannon-brandts-claim-cayler-ellingson-was-republican-extremist/

The first NY Post story says this:

https://nypost.com/2022/09/22/man-accused-of-mowing-down-republican-teen-appears-in-court/

Need some editors there.

Again, nice selectivity Paul. Tell the whole story.
Brandt claimed the teen was a “Right wing Republican extremist” and had had a “Political Fight” with him. The teen was nothing of the sort and tried to get away, but Brandt hunted him down. That means Brandt was a Democrat and incited by Joe Biden’s speech about the Right endangering the country. That Brandt hunted the teen down and claimed he was a Republican extremist is in the court document filing.
To the point. Why has The NY Times and Washington Post avoided covering this story? Because it looks really bad for their side narrative.

https://apple.news/ABLyKQCmnQVaXb1yVBkbDDQ

[Masterofreality]

There's ample evidence here on our on pages at Xavierhoops, that people have bought into that narrative of demonizing the press.

When a free press is bastardized where it becomes propaganda for unbalanced coverage, and stories that are important in the news, but are ignored or surpressed because they make the outlet’s favorite side look really bad (See Hunter Biden Laptop) then the media becomes nothing more than Pravda.
I also recall the New York Times reporter walking through Portland in the summer of 2020 reporting “I see no evidence of rioting here!” (That very night and for 100 days there were riots)
*Some of us prefer balanced coverage and full accounting.
It seems that you are just content to eat the disingenuous trash that you are fed from your preferred biased outlets. That explains your blue brained only lunacy.
I pity you. You should move to California to be among your peers.

[Xville]

No Democrat has been murdered by a Republican. But let’s’ never forget Steve Scalise and other Repubs who were *almost murdered practicing for a softball game by a radical democrat and Rand Paul and his wife who were attacked by a liberal mob.
How many examples do you need?

So because the times doesn’t pick up a murder ( there are 46 murders a day in the us) you get your panties in a bunch? Frankly, I think it’s weird that cnn, wash post etc picked up the story or anyone outside of local news In north dakota

[bobbiemcgee]

No Democrat has been murdered by a Republican. But let’s’ never forget Steve Scalise and other Repubs who were *almost murdered practicing for a softball game by a radical democrat and Rand Paul and his wife who were attacked by a liberal mob.
How many examples do you need?

Did you forget about 150 police officers injured by trump supporters?

[Masterofreality]

Did you forget about 150 police officers injured by trump supporters?

Link to verify your statement?
Many pages ago I posted an article by Glenn Greenwald debunking many myths as to that incident.
By the way. How about 277 authorities injured in the Portland riots in 2020 by leftists?
Verification:

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/politics/federal-officers-sustained-277-injuries-while-in-portland-including-temporary-blindness/283-c98ae76e-652c-4664-9693-68101ec8acf9

[Masterofreality]

So because the times doesn’t pick up a murder ( there are 46 murders a day in the us) you get your panties in a bunch? Frankly, I think it’s weird that cnn, wash post etc picked up the story or anyone outside of local news In north dakota

Rest assured that it would be front page news if the roles were reversed. Front page news for a week if the perpetrator was a Repub vs a Dem. And considering that this only happened days after Biden had a speech condemning the “Rightist Extremists” this seems pretty relevant for a major newspaper to pick up the story and decry it.
Hence the point that Journalism is dead

[X-band '01]

It's really Muddy Waters in disguise.

We know you really meant Explorer Steve.

[paulxu]

We know you really meant Explorer Steve.

hah!

[paulxu]

There's ample evidence here on our on pages at Xavierhoops, that people have bought into that narrative of demonizing the press.


When a free press is bastardized where it becomes propaganda for unbalanced coverage, and stories that are important in the news, but are ignored or surpressed because they make the outlet’s favorite side look really bad (See Hunter Biden Laptop) then the media becomes nothing more than Pravda.
I also recall the New York Times reporter walking through Portland in the summer of 2020 reporting “I see no evidence of rioting here!” (That very night and for 100 days there were riots)
*Some of us prefer balanced coverage and full accounting.
It seems that you are just content to eat the disingenuous trash that you are fed from your preferred biased outlets. That explains your blue brained only lunacy.
I pity you. You should move to California to be among your peers.

I appreciate you proving my point.

[paulxu]

Did you forget about 150 police officers injured by trump supporters?


Link to verify your statement?


More than 140 U.S. Capitol Police and D.C. Metropolitan Police officers were injured while defending the grounds that day, according to a Thursday statement from the U.S. Capitol Police Labor Committee. Four officers died by suicide in the aftermath of the attack

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/09/1104095062/capitol-police-officer-jan-6-recalls-chaos-carnage

Numbers very, and some law enforcement may be missing, but at least 140.

[Xuperman]

Booze and Co, this is for you.

This site confirms my belief and reflects precisely what liberal progressives ALWAYS do. It's universal. They NEVER can debate pertaining issues, only deflect, discredit sources and scream "right wing talking points"!

Reality is not "right wing talking points" Booze!!!! I only said "don't ask me for proof" because blatant reality DOESN'T require it.

The southern border is recording record crossings daily, over Biden's welcome mat. No medical screenings or Covid vax requirements. Human trafficking and Fentanyl are pervasive. Care to dispute?

Law enforcement in our largest MAJOR CITIES has been severely demoralized and have drastically reduced encounters with criminal activity, due to fear of BLM style retaliation OR actual prosecution. Reduced sentencing guidelines and no bond requirements are increasing. Not true? Not dangerous?

There is an all out attack, perpetrated by the Left "Green movement" on the fossil fuel industry.....well that's a given, everybody knows that. Care to post your detailed support of this?

The progressive "Woke" movement is insisting that systematic racism and white privilege is acknowledged and that a no tolerance policy of not using "Woke" pronouns has people being labeled any "phobic" you can think of...OR flat out CANCELED. Is this not accurate?

Vast "tent cities" are growing at unprecedented levels. Public defecation, open sexual activity, drug use and shop lifting is no longer criminal activity in most large Dem run cities. Is this not unacceptable deviant activity?

So, as easily predicted, you Libs just consistently jabber away, pick at minuscule details ('Ville) and distort reality.

I clearly made points that ALL common sense minded people should agree with. Do ANY of you leftist Biden supporters have the balls to spell out views to the contrary....IN DETAIL? I will wait with absolutely no confidence, because this sh!t is indefensible.

Vote RED.

[Xville]

Booze and Co, this is for you.

This site confirms my belief and reflects precisely what liberal progressives ALWAYS do. It's universal. They NEVER can debate pertaining issues, only deflect, discredit sources and scream "right wing talking points"!

Reality is not "right wing talking points" Booze!!!! I only said "don't ask me for proof" because blatant reality DOESN'T require it.

The southern border is recording record crossings daily, over Biden's welcome mat. No medical screenings or Covid vax requirements. Human trafficking and Fentanyl are pervasive. Care to dispute?

Law enforcement in our largest MAJOR CITIES has been severely demoralized and have drastically reduced encounters with criminal activity, due to fear of BLM style retaliation OR actual prosecution. Reduced sentencing guidelines and no bond requirements are increasing. Not true? Not dangerous?

There is an all out attack, perpetrated by the Left "Green movement" on the fossil fuel industry.....well that's a given, everybody knows that. Care to post your detailed support of this?

The progressive "Woke" movement is insisting that systematic racism and white privilege is acknowledged and that a no tolerance policy of not using "Woke" pronouns has people being labeled any "phobic" you can think of...OR flat out CANCELED. Is this not accurate?

Vast "tent cities" are growing at unprecedented levels. Public defecation, open sexual activity, drug use and shop lifting is no longer criminal activity in most large Dem run cities. Is this not unacceptable deviant activity?

So, as easily predicted, you Libs just consistently jabber away, pick at minuscule details ('Ville) and distort reality.

I clearly made points that ALL common sense minded people should agree with. Do ANY of you leftist Biden supporters have the balls to spell out views to the contrary....IN DETAIL? I will wait with absolutely no confidence, because this sh!t is indefensible.

Vote RED.

“All common sense minded people” I.e. people that think exactly like I do.

How many times are you going to jabber away with your same talking points? You have said the same thing about ten times on this thread, and your points have been picked apart over and over. Instead of actually debating them, you completely dismiss them and say the same thing again.

You keep saying the above, with zero actual facts and then celebrate how right you think you are. You are also lou like and may even be lou because you honestly believe anyone that disagrees with you is a full blown progressive democrat.

[Xuperman]

“All common sense minded people” I.e. people that think exactly like I do.

How many times are you going to jabber away with your same talking points? You have said the same thing about ten times on this thread, and your points have been picked apart over and over. Instead of actually debating them, you completely dismiss them and say the same thing again.

You keep saying the above, with zero actual facts and then celebrate how right you think you are. You are also lou like and may even be lou because you honestly believe anyone that disagrees with you is a full blown progressive democrat.

Quit clowning around 'Ville,

Libs don't debate issues like the ones I am railing against. IF they do debate, you can bet that it's SOCIAL ISSUES.

"Picked apart"? Point to just 1 post that makes any detailed counter argument, IN SUPPORT, of any of the 5 things I "jabber" about. Always just an insistence to post news sources that will only be labeled as bias, or labeled as "right wing talking points". Again, a very "Lib" clever tactic to deflect with out making any attempt to make a counter argument.

There isn't any people here that would dare to post anything in support of these issues, and WON'T BE, because this crap is indefensible.

My guess is that you will not post any detailed SUPPORT of these disturbing trends, only simply say these things are not happening.....how convenient. It's basically a guarantee, because that is how the Left operates.

[X-band '01]

I really doubt Lou and Xuperman are the same person - Xuperman just acts like Yosemite Sam when someone argues with him and ends up winning an argument. Lou on the other hand is on my ignore list for a reason - he'll attack posters personally and with bad intentions.

[Xuperman]

I really doubt Lou and Xuperman are the same person - Xuperman just acts like Yosemite Sam when someone argues with him and ends up winning an argument. Lou on the other hand is on my ignore list for a reason - he'll attack posters personally and with bad intentions.

Yep, ol' XUP, is only participating in these political threads, because I am desperately seeking out ANY reasonable SUPPORT of the 5 issues I have presented as the "nasty 5".

No one here, or anywhere, can communicate SUPPORT for this nightmarish progressive agenda. Only discredit any and all news sources, constantly deflect and and spew "right wing talking points" as justification of their political narrative.

No one here, or anywhere in my social endeavors, can ANY Leftists make a persuasive argument SUPPORTING the 5 things I am "jabbering" about.

Will anyone here dare to post ANYTHING in support of what I have railed against? Odds are no.

[Masterofreality]

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/09/1104095062/capitol-police-officer-jan-6-recalls-chaos-carnage

Numbers very, and some law enforcement may be missing, but at least 140.

And of course you quote NPR. One of the most biased media outlets around.
And, nah. I’m not believing the “Capitol Police Labor Union”. They have a vested interest in lying.
Meanwhile Paul ignores independent media coverage from Portland.

[paulxu]

Why do I need to respond to the Portland numbers? I didn't question them.
Their numbers came from DHS. Did you believe them?

YOU questioned the Capitol injuries and asked for a link. So, I provided one.
No one questioned those numbers. Here's your friends reporting on it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/capitol-police-union-rebukes-leadership-officer-lose-eye-brain-injuries

[Xville]

Yep, ol' XUP, is only participating in these political threads, because I am desperately seeking out ANY reasonable SUPPORT of the 5 issues I have presented as the "nasty 5".

No one here, or anywhere, can communicate SUPPORT for this nightmarish progressive agenda. Only discredit any and all news sources, constantly deflect and and spew "right wing talking points" as justification of their political narrative.

No one here, or anywhere in my social endeavors, can ANY Leftists make a persuasive argument SUPPORTING the 5 things I am "jabbering" about.

Will anyone here dare to post ANYTHING in support of what I have railed against? Odds are no.

You keep saying the same thing over and over expecting a different result… know what that definition is?

You have been told numerous times by numerous people on this board the why someone isn’t answering your last question. For some reason you can’t help yourself and continue to ask it. It’s like the synapses just aren’t quite firing.

[Masterofreality]

Stacy Abrams claims that “there is no such thing as a fetal heartbeat in early pregnancy”
She claims that the sound is due to the ultra sound machines being developed and set up by men to control women’s bodies.
This is directly contradicted by The vast majority of doctors- and even Planned Parenthood’s website….that is until it was changed yesterday within hours of Abram’s ludicrous statement to back her. Sounds awfully QAnon-ny.
And of course the usual suspects - NPR and Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post jump in and try to cover for Abrams and her lunacy- because stuff like that kills the narrative.
Yes. Journalism is dead.

[Masterofreality]

Why do I need to respond to the Portland numbers? I didn't question them.
Their numbers came from DHS. Did you believe them?

YOU questioned the Capitol injuries and asked for a link. So, I provided one.
No one questioned those numbers. Here's your friends reporting on it.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/capitol-police-union-rebukes-leadership-officer-lose-eye-brain-injuries

Allow me to repost this superb Glenn Greenwald article from Politics Thread post 10466.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/as-the-insurrection-narrative-crumbles?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxODgzMDg0MCwicG9zdF9 pZCI6MzMzMjA4NDYsIl8iOiIrQldPcSIsImlhdCI6MTYxNDk4M zU2MCwiZXhwIjoxNjE0OTg3MTYwLCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMTI4NjY yIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.Pgi0c9M92Ol0VUvg 5C_3kZhIUdBUw8rLutEON4Wodmc

[paulxu]

Allow me to repost this superb Glenn Greenwald article from Politics Thread post 10466.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/as-the-insurrection-narrative-crumbles?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxODgzMDg0MCwicG9zdF9 pZCI6MzMzMjA4NDYsIl8iOiIrQldPcSIsImlhdCI6MTYxNDk4M zU2MCwiZXhwIjoxNjE0OTg3MTYwLCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMTI4NjY yIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.Pgi0c9M92Ol0VUvg 5C_3kZhIUdBUw8rLutEON4Wodmc

Clearly these 900 people are some sort of liberal plot. So far 396 have plead guilty.

https://www.insider.com/capitol-rioters-who-pleaded-guilty-updated-list-2021-5

Perhaps it's understandable that law enforcement was cautious about more trouble. I thought you guys were on the side of law enforcement...or is that only when it suits a narrative?

[Masterofreality]

Clearly these 900 people are some sort of liberal plot. So far 396 have plead guilty.

https://www.insider.com/capitol-rioters-who-pleaded-guilty-updated-list-2021-5

Perhaps it's understandable that law enforcement was cautious about more trouble. I thought you guys were on the side of law enforcement...or is that only when it suits a narrative?

The fact that citizens have been coerced into pleading guilty here where 1 person (a protestor) was killed, while hundreds of 2020 rioters who destroyed multiple lives, injured authorities and ruined billions of dollars in property-much of it owned by People Of Color- walk free due to liberal prosecutors is not exactly the argument you want to get into. Where is your defense of law enforcement when it is under siege from the Dems “Defund the Police” demands and “Catch and Release without bail corrupt prosecutors like the ones in Baltimore and LA? At least San Francisco voters had had enough and got rid of Boudin.

[Xuperman]

You keep saying the same thing over and over expecting a different result… know what that definition is?

You have been told numerous times by numerous people on this board the why someone isn’t answering your last question. For some reason you can’t help yourself and continue to ask it. It’s like the synapses just aren’t quite firing.

The desired "result" would be ANYONE posting detailed SUPPORT of what Biden and his administration is allowing to happen, as it pertains to these obvious domestic policy concerns. Maybe I am not communicating properly, but I simply want anyone here to level ANY counter opinion that can justify these disturbing trends. Is that too much to ask?

DEBATE 101 IS......I lay out my stance on any given issue, THEN you in turn make a counter argument.

I've clearly done my part to initiate debate, but no one has posted anything that would argue to the contrary. BECAUSE Leftists will never embarrass themselves defending the indefensible. It's true here, and everywhere I have engaged with irrational Liberals. Deflect and discredit is the go to playbook.

So again, can any Biden supporter here detail ANYTHING that you like about his domestic policy? I will be shocked if someone does.

[Xuperman]

I just started my day on this beautiful Sunday, and realized that these political threads really serve no purpose. I had actually thought there would be an honest exchange of ideas and opposite view points on the current domestic state of affairs, but it is clear that it's just not happening.

I will comment if someone posts something in favor of this Administration or occasionally post a link to interesting news stories but I am done trying to entice any running conversation.

At least you all definitely know where I stand.

Musketeer BBall can't get here soon enough!

[Masterofreality]

“Political violence” narratives only go one way.
“Journalismising”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/the-media-forget-themselves-on-political-violence

[paulxu]

For roughly five years, the public was warned by journalists that former President Donald Trump’s dark rhetoric toward his political enemies and the media would result in mass violence and even murder. It didn't happen.

This may look like "mass violence", but "It didn't happen." (Suckers) :pointandlaugh:

https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/BMQKWLT7ANHA5D55WNKONWK234.jpg

[bjf123]

“Political violence” narratives only go one way.
“Journalismising”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/the-media-forget-themselves-on-political-violence

Spot on.


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[Masterofreality]

This may look like "mass violence", but "It didn't happen." (Suckers) :pointandlaugh:

https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/BMQKWLT7ANHA5D55WNKONWK234.jpg

One trick Pony Paul returns.
The only killing was of Ashley Babbit.
“Mass violence” limited to less than one hour and one city block. How many FBI agents were “allegedly” in that crowd? (I know conspiracy theory)
Meanwhile actual political killings occur after Dark Brandon’s speech.

[paulxu]

If you make over 900 arrests (have no idea what 1 hour means...they were there and the president was silent for 3+ hours) and you have over 300 people plead guilty (so far)...in my mind that is mass violence.

How many would you need? 1200? 1500?

I would say Trump's rhetoric that YOU noted, resulted in mass violence.

[Masterofreality]

If you make over 900 arrests (have no idea what 1 hour means...they were there and the president was silent for 3+ hours) and you have over 300 people plead guilty (so far)...in my mind that is mass violence.

How many would you need? 1200? 1500?

I would say Trump's rhetoric that YOU noted, resulted in mass violence.

What did I note? Where? The article stated that Journalists warned falsely about political violence happening but “It Didn’t Happen” . Can’t you read a direct quote??
People are pleading guilty because they can’t fight the machine and want to preserve any life they may have left. Meanwhile many are left to rot in some jail somewhere and accused of misdemeanors , because “the narrative” Democracy in Danger.
Also, meanwhile, hundreds of 2020 rioters roam the streets freely with zero prosecution.

[paulxu]

That's correct; you posted the article that said journalists warned that Trump's rhetoric would cause mass violence.
They author notes it didn't happen. You seemed to be supportive of the author's approach in the article.
I disagreed and posted a photo of what I considered mass violence.
Does it look like mass violence to you? Perhaps not. I would hope it WOULD look like mass violence to you, which would mean the author of the article you posted was in error.
By the way, those are police officers that are on the ground being beaten.

https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/BMQKWLT7ANHA5D55WNKONWK234.jpg

[Masterofreality]

Paul sees only what he wants to see. I see guys in jeans being beaten/held by police officers who have clubs and nightsticks, with one officer with a guy in a headlock. I also see a flag pole that lost it's flag with the flag flying through the air. Not exactly a "beating instrument".
As Paul's favorite raised media would state- this Photograph needs more "Context".

Biden's rhetoric has caused two people to be killed who were the victims of political violence. Whether or not the killer in North Dakota was a "Socialist" is irrelevant because he was- as he admitted- a Biden following Democrat. The office holder in Nevada who stabbed a journalist was a Democrat. The guy who shot up the Republican Congressional softball practice was a Democrat. Those people burning and damaging Right to Life Clinics are certainly Leftists, if not Democrats- not "radical MAGA Republicans. The guy who was hanging around Brett Kavanaugh's house was a Democrat.
Scoreboard, Paul.

[paulxu]

Kyle Young, who is one the first who beat the cops to be tried, was sentenced to 7 years and 2 months in prison to think about it.
Is that what you see in the picture? Is that a little more context for you?

You're keeping score? So far more have been arrested, tried, plead/convicted in the Capitol riot than the stupid looters who took advantage of the George Floyd peaceful protests and turned them into a nightmare. The looters weren't right, and neither were the rioters.

Police can't verify any of the story about it being a political argument and I can't find where the guy admitted to being a Biden Democrat.
I did find this:

Neighbors have since told reporters that Brandt was unstable, saying that the 41-year-old has been 'nuts his whole life' and 'should have been in a [mental health] institute.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11248745/Cops-slap-drivers-claims-18-year-old-ran-killed-Republican-extremist.html

The shooter that injured Scalise was certainly a little nuts and on a downward skid; no more so than the guy who shot Gabby Giffords, killing 6 including a Federal judge. What's the point in score keeping on people and activities like this?

I can't help you if you think the people who stormed the Capitol and beat the police were OK to do so. They are paying for it, as they should.

[Xville]

why do certain members on this thread feel the need to point out that the crazy person is left or right? Can't we just say they were crazy and condemn their actions and leave it at that? I guess not...we have people like MOR saying scoreboard to others on this thread like its a freaking game.

The two threads in here (Political and Journalism threads) should be changed to the "finger pointing/throwing tantrums about the other side" thread

[Smails]

You're keeping score? So far more have been arrested, tried, plead/convicted in the Capitol riot than the stupid looters who took advantage of the George Floyd peaceful protests and turned them into a nightmare.


You are admitting that there has been 2 sets of rules and narratives applied to the BLM rioters and Capitol rioters. Across the country tens of thousands of people burned our cities to the ground (Kenosha), murdered police officers (5 in Dallas), murdered civilians, firebombed police stations and permanently destroyed 100s of small businesses and our Vice President spoke out in favor of a bail fund to get these animals out jail. The VICE PRESIDENT. Do you not see how these two equally disgusting acts have been selectively narrated, treated and prosecuted? Can you at least admit that much?

[paulxu]

I think there are numerous cases of reality being shaded to suite a particular agenda.
There weren't "tens of thousands of people burned our cities to the ground."
There were thousands protesting the shooting in the back by a cop in Kenosha...and a few people taking advantage to loot and cause mayhem.
The Kenosha arsonist was arrested and convicted.

There were (and will probably continue to be, unfortunately) protests when there is violence from the police that seems disproportional [George Floyd]).
And there will be idiots who take advantage, like the rioters in Portland, and Seattle, and the killers in Dallas.
Hopefully, as has already happened, those responsible will be caught and punished.
They are protesting what they see as disparate treatment (and admittedly many take advantage and break the law).

The Capitol Rioters were protesting what? That Congress was going to count the electoral votes? They wanted to stop the peaceful transfer of power that is a hallmark of our country?

I think there's a difference. You may not. That's OK. But both law breakers should be punished.

[Masterofreality]

I think there are numerous cases of reality being shaded to suite a particular agenda.
There weren't "tens of thousands of people burned our cities to the ground."
There were thousands protesting the shooting in the back by a cop in Kenosha...and a few people taking advantage to loot and cause mayhem.
The Kenosha arsonist was arrested and convicted.
.

This right here shows the length of Pauk’s delusional fallacies.
A) The original perp in Kenosha was a felon who sexually assaulted a woman, then stole her kids, then had a weapon in his car that he tried to use to injure and resist the police who were called to the scene by the woman who’s kids were being kidnapped. The perp was shot because of his own resistant actions
B) After a thorough investigation, the Kenosha police- ALL OF THEM-were exonerated from any wrong doing. BTW. As was the Ferguson cop who killed Michael Brown. The Ferguson cop was exonerated by no less than ERIC HOLDER! Remember him. But no matter. The Left says let’s burn Ferguson & Kenosha to the ground and ruin Black owned businesses, because, you know. “Injustice” (A Crock)
C) Joe Biden and Kamala Harris went to Kenosha to meet with the perpetrator and his family to show sympathy..I guess for committing Felonies and Kidnappping plus Resisting Arrest? Cool!! Lets go pat him on his head & back!

Now Kenosha is a burnt out hulk. Hundreds of Minority owned businesses destroyed by a “few people”.
No Paul. There were “thousands” burning cities to the Ground- in Kenosha, St. Louis, Portland. Seattle, Louisville, Atlanta. Minneapolis..
Want to know who the “few people” are that are involved in this mayhem? The “too few people who have been actually arrested & convicted. Most had charges dropped and were set free to do it again- some thanks to Kamala’s “bail fund”.

Lunacy on display.

[paulxu]

TWant to know who the “few people” are that are involved in this mayhem? The “too few people who have been actually arrested & convicted. Most had charges dropped and were set free to do it again- some thanks to Kamala’s “bail fund”.

Lots of people were arrested, tried and convicted for the mayhem in Kenosha. If you're out on bail, you still go to trial (that's how our system works).

https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/das-office-releases-update-on-prosecutions-stemming-from-2020-riots/article_f8628dd7-c600-513d-93ec-640898025bf2.html

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2022/06/09/man-gets-3-years-arson-during-2020-kenosha-riot-devon-vaughn-jacob-blake/7534779001/

Even last month, federal authorities were charging people who had traveled from Minnesota to Wisconsin to take advantage of the unrest in Kenosha.

https://www.wpr.org/2-minnesota-men-charged-federal-crimes-2020-kenosha-unrest

Just like at the Capitol, people who break the law should be held accountable.

[Smails]

I think there are numerous cases of reality being shaded to suite a particular agenda.
There weren't "tens of thousands of people burned our cities to the ground."
There were thousands protesting the shooting in the back by a cop in Kenosha...and a few people taking advantage to loot and cause mayhem.
The Kenosha arsonist was arrested and convicted.


Wow Paul, just wow. Yes there were tens of thousands of protesters and looters across multiple cities who were interested in nothing but mayhem and destruction. Ferguson, St. Louis, Kenosha, Portland, Minneapolis, St. Paul and so on. My man, there were 165 structure fires in Minneapolis alone over a 3 day period. That was just one city. It's more than just one arsonist in Kenosha..lol. A police station in Portland burned, churches in Portland burned. You have the nerve to describe it as 'a few people' You sound like Ilhan Omar describing the 911 attacks as 'some people did something'. You are part of the problem..so ideologically brainwashed that you can't see the forest through the trees. Do you understand that you are no different than the blind Trump idiot followers. You just happen to be on the other side of the political spectrum. You understand that...don't you?

Do you agree with the stance that our VPOTUS took..do you think that's a reaction befitting of someone who is one heartbeat away from the presidency?

https://twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1267555018128965643?lang=en

[Smails]

repeat

[paulxu]

I have repeatedly said if people break the law they should be held accountable.
Somehow, with all you guys ranting on...I never hear that. Wonder why that is?

Would you have felt less triggered if I said "there very fine people on both sides"?

I have no problem condemning the violence that anyone commits. You guys have (like Trump) a real problem in condemning it from the alt-right, the MAGA rioter, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, etc.

[paulxu]

I have no problem with a fund to help protestors who got caught up in the nonsense in the cities.
I wouldn't think you would want to help with arsonists, etc. But many peaceful protesters get rounded up.
But then again, people raise money for all kinds of things.
The whole Kamala deal is a red herring from our real problems.

[Masterofreality]

I have no problem with a fund to help protestors who got caught up in the nonsense in the cities.
I wouldn't think you would want to help with arsonists, etc. But many peaceful protesters get rounded up.
But then again, people raise money for all kinds of things.
The whole Kamala deal is a red herring from our real problems.

As if the “nonsense” just happened all on its own. “Protestors” don’t get caught up in arson, destruction and “nonsense”.
Know who do? RIOTERS.. who were bailed out, free to leave and may never be found to stand trial for felonies.
This is the most ludicrous of Paul’s statements yet. It’s hard to believe that a rational thinking human being actually pushes out this trash.
And , no Paul. It is not a “red herring”. Have you checked the crime stats lately in cities, you know, that have been run by Democrats for decades. Yeah, Kamala’s over the top “let ‘em walk” policies have hugely contributed to the current REAL problem

[Smails]

You guys have (like Trump) a real problem in condemning it from the alt-right, the MAGA rioter, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, etc.


"You guys?"

Please find one example of me holding water for any of these groups...one. They're all equally gross. Quit making shit up Paul, you liar.

You on the other hand think that 'peaceful protesters' got caught up in 'nonsense' and were wrongfully arrested. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. The cops were rounding up peaceful protesters in droves while the animals were looting, burning, assaulting and murdering cops. Your inability to acknowledge the realities of that situation are astounding...almost Biden-like in your detachment. "Jackie are you here?..where's Jackie?"...ummm she's dead sir

[paulxu]

Did you perhaps read the links I provided where the cops arrested violent protestors, looter, rioters and arsonists in Kenosha.
Or where they were sentenced to jail time? Or where I have noted over and over again that people who break the law should be punished accordingly?

No? I didn't think so.

[bobbiemcgee]

These far righties don't read anything. Get their news from Carlson.

[Xuperman]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/associated-press-hit-article-reporters-fetterman-comment-comes-ap-clean-democrats?dicbo=v2-83d1a640a48ea3af5249ab9c5603a17c

Prime example for this thread. How DARE she!

I am totally on board with the theory that the pushback against her is meant as a warning to anyone else that may stray from the Dem/MSM narrative. You WILL be discredited.

[Smails]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/associated-press-hit-article-reporters-fetterman-comment-comes-ap-clean-democrats?dicbo=v2-83d1a640a48ea3af5249ab9c5603a17c

Prime example for this thread. How DARE she!

I am totally on board with the theory that the pushback against her is meant as a warning to anyone else that may stray from the Dem/MSM narrative. You WILL be discredited.

I thought us Ohioans had two terrible choices but my goodness that race in PA takes the cake. A supplement peddling, TV show host versus a trust fund baby who apparently can't listen or speak. What a complete shitshow this cycle is. I do love how the media narrative on Fetterman has changed from "there's nothing wrong with him" to how dare you question the 'disabled?

Just get this shit over with already

[Xville]

The choices that voters have to make in a number of these states is gawd awful; which is also reflective of the choices we have had at the presidential level for decades now. Something has to change. Government has become a cesspool of human beings and i assume its because of one of these two things if not both:

1.) majority of the american public are easily manipulated by the extreme sides of the right and left
2.) no one "normal" wants to hold public office

[xukeith]

I don't consider Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush2, Obama, Trump or Biden extreme. There are some whacky followers for every president's fan base.

[Masterofreality]

ABC News employed a “journalist” who was simultaneously on the payroll of special interests to attack politicians.

The story opens with her attacking a Republican state representative with a story of dead tortoises and accusing him of lying. She made the story up.
NPR, actually committing Journalism! Who knew!!

https://www.npr.org/2022/12/21/1142575872/abc-news-producer-corporate-operative-investigation

[Xuperman]

WoW,
I detect a pulse!

Have y'all seen how CHRIS COUMO has become 100% politically reasonable since his CNN mind control device has been rightfully extracted. He is now an amazingly, sensible and effective orator.

[bjf123]

There’s definitely a market for true news reporting. Not sure how large that market might be.


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[Xuperman]

No doubt, Chris Cuomo has become an unbelievably reasonable, common sense news guy. With the CNN leftist shackles off...he is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT guy.

FANTASTIC!!!!

[Xuperman]

Man, NewsNation is fantastic. They are really building a neutral political media option. Former DEM hack Cuomo, now commenting from a totally different pay check!

[paulxu]

Some journalism from George Will:

https://wapo.st/49gcP12

[Xuperman]

Wow!!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/only-3-4-percent-of-american-journalists-are-republicans-study/ar-AA1ma9Eh

Indoctrinate them in Leftist Progressive Universities.....then send them out to "inform" the public.

[UCGRAD4X]

Cronkite was a commie

[UCGRAD4X]

Why was the lead story on the news that Steven Colbert's cat died and he cried about it on the air?

Hard hitting!

[Xuperman]

Man, Cuomo on News Nation is now MUST SEE at 8.

Tonight's interview with "the Green Prince" was a full and profound reality check. Hamas using women/children/elderly as human shields is at the TOP of Hamas war strategy. Using global sympathy for premeditated and INTENTIONAL civilian casualties is the most effective (and only) weapon these cowards have.

Watch Cuomo.

[Xuperman]

Man, News Nation is absolutely the best thing going......BY FAR, but this fixation on Kate Middleton tonight is completely over the top.

We have thousands of terrorists and humanity killing amounts of illegal drugs that have been given the green light at our southern border. Relentlessly pound the absurdity of the "Fundamentally Transform America" O'Biden agenda....and continue to just build some reality for everyone.

[bobbiemcgee]

Maybe Mike Johnson will bring up the republican bill before MTG kicks him out..

[paulxu]

Most illegal drugs enter through regular entry ports.
And I'm curious about the "thousands" of terrorists? Statistics show immigrants have lesser crime incidents than native born Americans.

Bobbie's on to something. The Republican bill that Trump had his followers kill, provided lots of help for the southern border, as well as Ukraine.
The Border Patrol supported it, as it added equipment to detect illegal drugs, more money for processing asylum seekers, additional agents, etc.

If you really cared about the border crisis, why would you kill that bill? Just to get some political advantage and let you go on and on about the crisis?

[X-band '01]

It'll be hard to vacate the chair when the House is now on a 2-week recess.

That said, I'm sure that one of the things that Johnson agreed to in private was for Democrats to back him up when the motion to vacate inevitably comes up. They were happy to let Kevin McCarthy twist in the wind. The Greenes and Gaetzs of the world were hoping for a shutdown that responsible lawmakers simply weren't going to tolerate.

What is a shame is that responsible Republicans like Ken Buck and Brad Wenstrup are retiring while more MAGA Republicans are getting nominated in safe Republican districts.

[bjf123]

Most illegal drugs enter through regular entry ports.
And I'm curious about the "thousands" of terrorists? Statistics show immigrants have lesser crime incidents than native born Americans.

Bobbie's on to something. The Republican bill that Trump had his followers kill, provided lots of help for the southern border, as well as Ukraine.
The Border Patrol supported it, as it added equipment to detect illegal drugs, more money for processing asylum seekers, additional agents, etc.

If you really cared about the border crisis, why would you kill that bill? Just to get some political advantage and let you go on and on about the crisis?

I don’t follow this as closely as I should, but was that the bill that said up to 5,000 illegals per day was acceptable? I have no trouble with not agreeing to that. My personal preference would be that if you enter illegally, you’re deported. Come in legally through a port of entry and you’re good to go. How many millions have entered since Biden opened the border? That’s not sustainable.


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[Xuperman]

Obviously. There is no way to know the intentions of these millions of illegals, because the vetting process appears to be nonexistent. You have to assume that there are "bad guys" with strong desire to do bad things to America or to operate criminal enterprises. These type folks are in no short supply globally and are going to take FULL advantage.

That said, to pass legislation that allows this Administration to LEGALLY continue this nasty invasion at 5K a month, is totally unacceptable to some people.

[paulxu]

It was a Republican authored, bi-partisan bill. It didn't "allow" 5,000 "illegals" to enter the country every day.
It had a provision to stop asylum seekers who didn't cross at ports of entry, who would normally be allowed to seek it, if the numbers were too large.
More importantly, it funded things that would have eased the crisis as noted earlier.

Of course Trump wanted the political points and Moses led the sheep to do his bidding. Not helpful.

[Xuperman]

It was a Republican authored, bi-partisan bill. It didn't "allow" 5,000 "illegals" to enter the country every day.

Posting that is utterly ridiculous.....and completely void of reality. Anything other than an attempted 100% border lockdown, until the TEN MILLION O'Biden "Newcomers" can be dealt with properly, is the only reasonable option for some.

[Xuperman]

Because the vetting of these MILLIONS of illegals invading our country under this intentional, "Fundamentally Transform America" doctrine, it is impossible to understand accurate numbers. However, there are some sources that estimate that Venezuelan illegals are crossing at the highest numbers. AND LIKE ALL groups, they are illegally entering with a predominant number of military aged, unattached, SINGLE MEN.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/10/28/hezbollahs-terror-threat-in-latin-america/

This is going to be unimaginable soon.

[Xuperman]

Watch News Nation. Tune in to Bill Cunningham (when he shows up). He is all in on pounding this Progressive Left insanity.

[Xuperman]

How can anyone that loves and cherish our GREAT COUNTRY vote DEM?

This progressive left madness is deadly toxic, in too many ways. It is a complete avalanche of destruction.

[UCGRAD4X]

It was a Republican authored, bi-partisan bill. It didn't "allow" 5,000 "illegals" to enter the country every day.
It had a provision to stop asylum seekers who didn't cross at ports of entry, who would normally be allowed to seek it, if the numbers were too large.
More importantly, it funded things that would have eased the crisis as noted earlier.

Of course Trump wanted the political points and Moses led the sheep to do his bidding. Not helpful.

ONLY STOPPING when the numbers were TOO LARGE (i.e. 5,000)....

Not stopping is the same as allowing.

How Orwellian can you get?

[paulxu]

Trying again.
They would NOT let anyone seek asylum in that situation. ALL turned back.
Current law allows for anyone to seek asylum, so they make an effort to process...which they are unfunded and unequipped to do.
Do you understand that Republicans are primarily responsible for this bipartisan bill?
Does it not make a difference to you that the Border Patrol Union supported the bill?

[Xville]

Posting that is utterly ridiculous.....and completely void of reality. Anything other than an attempted 100% border lockdown, until the TEN MILLION O'Biden "Newcomers" can be dealt with properly, is the only reasonable option for some.

100% border lockdown is the thing that is void of reality. 1.) not possible and 2.) would never want it to be because there is this thing called trade that needs to occur between the two countries.

The bill was a good bill, not a great one, but it was better than the present.

[bjf123]

100% border lockdown is the thing that is void of reality. 1.) not possible and 2.) would never want it to be because there is this thing called trade that needs to occur between the two countries.

The bill was a good bill, not a great one, but it was better than the present.

I don’t think anyone is actually expecting 100%. That’s clearly not possible. What is possible is that anyone caught entering illegally is immediately deported.


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[Xuperman]

Again, obviously. An "attempted 100% lockdown" is just that. The most effective way to do that is to simply use a federal government megaphone, saying the Border is temporarily CLOSED....do not come because you will not gain entry.

[bobbiemcgee]

130 billion lost in commerce?

[Xuperman]

130 billion lost in commerce?

Have we been reduced to this kind of absurd spin? Well established commerce/trade that requires border crossing is a non-issue.

[bobbiemcgee]

Well you said close the border 100%

[Xuperman]

Clearly it's the O'Biden illegal invasion that requires an ATTEMPTED 100% lockdown. To include commerce is ludicrous.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yes it is. 100%?

[Xuperman]

Cuomo on fire....at this very moment. Absolutely killing Biden on his "Immediate ceasefire" demand.

[xuphan]

Cuomo on fire....at this very moment. Absolutely killing Biden on his "Immediate ceasefire" demand.

Chris Cuomo? The same Chris Cuomo from Left CNN?

[Xuperman]

On News Nation and his show is the best hour of all the others....by far. Straight down the middle reporting and opinion. He has always been the most talented talking head, so now out from under the "one sided thumb" of CNN, his show is must see nightly.

[bjf123]

Chris Cuomo? The same Chris Cuomo from Left CNN?

I’ve watched his show on News Nation a few times. For the most part, he seems to have left the CNN bias behind.


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[xuphan]

On News Nation and his show is the best hour of all the others....by far. Straight down the middle reporting and opinion. He has always been the most talented talking head, so now out from under the "one sided thumb" of CNN, his show is must see nightly.

Is he straight down the middle of the road? Seems like these news heads are either full on left (Anderson Cooper/Don Lemmon) or Full Right (Hannity/Tucker). Can’t say I watched him on CNN or News Nation but if he is right down the middle calling out both sides I might have to watch one of his shows.

[bjf123]

I don’t consider the “news heads” you mentioned to be journalists in any way, shape, or form. They’re opinion hosts who pander to the extremes of their side of the aisle. I’m sure Cuomo leans Left, but his show is very balanced. He has guests on from both sides and challenges them equally. Check out a few of his broadcasts and see what you think.


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[Xuperman]

Is he straight down the middle of the road? Seems like these news heads are either full on left (Anderson Cooper/Don Lemmon) or Full Right (Hannity/Tucker). Can’t say I watched him on CNN or News Nation but if he is right down the middle calling out both sides I might have to watch one of his shows.

Highly recommended. Tonight was a good one, but they're all good. If your live streaming service includes NewsNation, you should be able to access all previous shows.

BTW, Leland Vittert has the 7pm slot, Cuomo at 8 and Dan Abrams at 9. ALL even handed with old old school style balance. No hint of the worthless party propaganda deal the others crap nightly. They got something cooking over there.

[Strange Brew]

As a Cov Cath grad and one of the OG Right to Life Marchers, I have to say Journalism died a long time before recent times. ;)

Edit: Newsnation? Tha hell? How old are all of you?

[X-band '01]

Respect your elders you whippersnapper.

[Xuperman]

As a Cov Cath grad and one of the OG Right to Life Marchers, I have to say Journalism died a long time before recent times. ;)

Edit: Newsnation? Tha hell? How old are all of you?

It died once "opinion" format over took traditional "hard news" and became dominate in the cable news wave of the '90's.

As far as your 2nd concern. I have no idea what you're talking about. If you care to post something more direct, I am sure someone will respond.

[Xuperman]

I just watched Cuomo from last night. The opening monologue was simply masterful in delivery and context. You just will not see anything close to this from the big network propaganda machines. He continues to attack Trump in a way that is identical to my view, and one that is shared by so many. He also does a brilliant job of truth telling about the hypocrisy of the left.

The following conversation segment with West, Rivera and Dershowitz on the Pro Hamas protests is so intense and revealing, it is MUST SEE. These repeat shows are easy to find on most streaming services, so do yourself a favor.

[Xuperman]

Next up for some push back against the overwhelming pro left MSM.

Get the free MERIT+ app for your device or smartTV. This gives you access to the new Dr. Phil Merit Street Media network. There is lots of different content, but Dr. Phil Primetime is the flagship program. All current and prior episodes can be streamed.

The recent full hour interview with Benjamin Netanyahu is just as good as it gets. The detailed discussion on how he views the impact of American media coverage/protests is fascinating.

There is also a 2 part special on the NY Trump trial that is entirely focused on the JURY and it's selection. WOW...This is a real eye opener folks!!

[UCGRAD4X]

Even ultra liberal Colbert crowd know the truth. (http://x.com/CatholicVote/status/1823374967746056480?mkt_tok=NDI3LUxFUS0wNjYAAAGU7z XXBNlwY32oIVXyke02DZlTivwntJEFoRr0pt_XX56M2OjCV8VN U2vo5zHTJ-tSg9eCi3-7DwvMp3wHgAW16q-wxNvtmedsVRsgGlsM)

It's even a joke to them.