Add KyKy to the list of returners

[XUGRAD80]

KyKy Tandy is returning to X too!


Maybe not as big as news as Colby Jones, but more of a surprise to me. I’m happy for the young man and am looking forward to seeing just how he works out for Miller.

[IM4X]

KyKy Tandy is returning to X too!


Maybe not as big as news as Colby Jones, but more of a surprise to me. I’m happy for the young man and am looking forward to seeing just how he works out for Miller.

is there a link?

Welcome back Kyky! Looking forward to seeing you healthy and playing next year. We all know he has a high ceiling if he puts it all together.

[JTG]

I don't think he ever got a fair chance. 3 or 4 trips down the floor, then you're yanked doesn't show what you can do. And hopefully we've seen the end of the high school Harry gold jersey and practice points business.

[GoMuskies]

Good for him. Steele leaving gives him a chance to hit the reset button, because I don't think he was ever getting meaningful minutes at Xavier under Steele. Possible he still never will, but now there's a clean slate.

[Xville]

Maybe miller knows that Steele had no clue and sees what kyky can be. Welcome back kyky!

[MHettel]

Big surprise to me. He's had a rough couple years. First he saw his role just slip away, and then he gets injured and has to sit. Glad he's sticking with it.

[xudash]

I love this news.

And I would love to see him come back and have an extraordinary career at Xavier from now until he graduates.

[boozehound]

KyKy had some pretty electric moments his Freshman season. I’m looking forward to seeing more of that, and I hope his perseverance is rewarded with a great end to his career.

[drudy23]

KyKy can score - and he can shoot.

Give the kid some space to develop into what he's capable of. I love that he's been given a chance to show what he can do. You don't go from all an Big East freshman team to the bench. Something wasn't right with him and Steele and that's a shame for the kid.

He scored in double digits 15 times over his first 2 seasons. Steele's usage of him was a mystery, especially on a team that couldn't shoot the ball or put the ball in the hole consistently.

[XUGRAD80]

is there a link?

Welcome back Kyky! Looking forward to seeing you healthy and playing next year. We all know he has a high ceiling if he puts it all together.

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2022/4/6/23013843/kyky-tandy-and-colby-jones-are-staying-at-xavier-transfer-news-big-east

[noteggs]

KyKy can score - and he can shoot.

Give the kid some space to develop into what he's capable of. I love that he's been given a chance to show what he can do. You don't go from all an Big East freshman team to the bench. Something wasn't right with him and Steele and that's a shame for the kid.

He scored in double digits 15 times over his first 2 seasons. Steele's usage of him was a mystery, especially on a team that couldn't shoot the ball or put the ball in the hole consistently.

Of course we don’t know, but always a mystery. Not to say there’s an answer. Maybe we’ll find out and will turn positive or maybe not.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

Big 4 months for KyKy ahead, I'd write this one in pencil until school starts in the fall.

[xuwin]

If Tandy, Freemantle and Miles live up to their potential under Miller I will be elated. Steel failed with them for some reason. I think Tandy and Freemantle came in as very confident players and struggled with it in the end for some reason.

[xukeith]

Miles started quite often to start the season with no Freemantle.
Miles was not awful on defense but very limited offensively.

Miles was and still is a project. If he was stronger in legs, he might play better. Recruiting sometimes is a gamble and Steele took a chance with Miles.

He has been here 3 years and has not shown much offensively. He bangs, and runs fast. - That sums it up .

[HomerCecil]

Glad he's coming back but not really surprised. He didn't find a landing spot after last season and scored a grand total of three points this season. Yes, he was injured, but it's not like he did anything that would have other programs clamoring for him. Hopefully with a more defined role (which almost everyone on this team needs) he can be a dead-eye shooter next season.

[MHettel]

An interesting angle for Tandy is Jonas Hayes.

There is no way Miller has given KyKy any type of assurances of PT next year. There is literally "no tape" on KyKy and Miller would have no basis to commit minutes to him. So you need to assume that KyKy knows this and is fine with going into the season needing to earn minutes.

But Hayes has seen Tandy for 3 years. And if you make the basic assumption that Tandy WANTS to play, then a question arises about whether Hayes could entice Tandy to transfer with the promise of a starting role.

So, with this in mind, you are kind of left with 3 options:

1) Hayes does not see Tandy as a guy that he wants on his Georgia State Roster for whatever reason.

2) Tandy doesnt want to play for either Hayes or at Georgia State.

3) Tandy believes he can get the minutes he wants at Xavier.

I'm hoping it's #3.

I'm really hoping it's NOT #1. If Hayes thinks Tandy is NOT the type of player that can succeed at Georgia State, then his roster spot at XU may go unutilized again.

[D-West & PO-Z]

An interesting angle for Tandy is Jonas Hayes.

There is no way Miller has given KyKy any type of assurances of PT next year. There is literally "no tape" on KyKy and Miller would have no basis to commit minutes to him. So you need to assume that KyKy knows this and is fine with going into the season needing to earn minutes.

But Hayes has seen Tandy for 3 years. And if you make the basic assumption that Tandy WANTS to play, then a question arises about whether Hayes could entice Tandy to transfer with the promise of a starting role.

So, with this in mind, you are kind of left with 3 options:

1) Hayes does not see Tandy as a guy that he wants on his Georgia State Roster for whatever reason.

2) Tandy doesnt want to play for either Hayes or at Georgia State.

3) Tandy believes he can get the minutes he wants at Xavier.

I'm hoping it's #3.

I'm really hoping it's NOT #1. If Hayes thinks Tandy is NOT the type of player that can succeed at Georgia State, then his roster spot at XU may go unutilized again.

He does have an entire year of tape as an all freshman BE player. Granted, that feels like a lifetime ago, but a Coach like Miller may see promise from that tape. I am not saying he was guaranteed PT but I am guessing Tandy thinks he can carve out a role, especially with Odom leaving.

[noteggs]

Saw this on Twitter today. Kinda makes you shake your head.

https://twitter.com/timeoxt/status/1332413880899801088?s=10&t=n5Edn7y6pqHo1aeRqIRn-w

[IM4X]

Saw this on Twitter today. Kinda makes you shake your head.

https://twitter.com/timeoxt/status/1332413880899801088?s=10&t=n5Edn7y6pqHo1aeRqIRn-w


Got to believe Sean saw this clip. Knows Tandy had the talent ans can shot the 3.

Is it possible that after Kyky was injured, he and Steele decided to just ha w him stay on the bench (when he did get healthy) so he could get a medical redshirt and have a full year of eligibility left instead of get in a few games this season with little playing time?

[XU-PA]

Got to believe Sean saw this clip. Knows Tandy had the talent ans can shot the 3.

Is it possible that after Kyky was injured, he and Steele decided to just ha w him stay on the bench (when he did get healthy) so he could get a medical redshirt and have a full year of eligibility left instead of get in a few games this season with little playing time?

No, not possible.
Stress fracture left leg that needed surgery. That's nor something that you have a decision to make. That would be areal medical reason for a red shirt year.

[xudash]

Saw this on Twitter today. Kinda makes you shake your head.

https://twitter.com/timeoxt/status/1332413880899801088?s=10&t=n5Edn7y6pqHo1aeRqIRn-w

Actually, it doesn't "kinda makes"; it is repulsive - - what a waste of talent.

I truly hope that he comes back and explodes - in a great way - for the balance of his career.

[IM4X]

No, not possible.
Stress fracture left leg that needed surgery. That's nor something that you have a decision to make. That would be areal medical reason for a red shirt year.

Isn’t that similar to what Free had, or at I mistaken?

I wasn’t suggesting he was faking the injury. I was just thinking I could see where if I were Kyky and was healed enough to play at some point late in the season (not saying that he was), I’d think, “Why the heck would I give up an entire season of eligibility by stepping on the court for 12 games and likely get 15 or less minutes per game, when I could stay off the leg and get a medical redshirt for a full healthy season.

[xukeith]

IsnÂ’t that similar to what Free had, or at I mistaken?

I wasn’t suggesting he was faking the injury. I was just thinking I could see where if I were Kyky and was healed enough to play at some point late in the season (not saying that he was), I’d think, “Why the heck would I give up an entire season of eligibility by stepping on the court for 12 games and likely get 15 or less minutes per game when I could stay off the leg and get a medical redshirt for a full healthy season.

agree!

[SemajParlor]

Saw this on Twitter today. Kinda makes you shake your head.

https://twitter.com/timeoxt/status/1332413880899801088?s=10&t=n5Edn7y6pqHo1aeRqIRn-w

I honestly completely forgot about this. Wow.

[Xuperman]

Saw this on Twitter today. Kinda makes you shake your head.

https://twitter.com/timeoxt/status/1332413880899801088?s=10&t=n5Edn7y6pqHo1aeRqIRn-w

Can someone provide an accurate time line for the Tandy situation. I will get it started.

After a nice Freshman season, he picked up where he left off as a Soph. The Toledo game was 11/27/20. He scored 24 in 32 minutes. 3 days latter he played 41 minutes and netted 18. Followed by a 28 minute performance on Dec 2. Then comes the Shootout on the 6th. Minutes dropped to 11 and by January he basically was seeing no action. What happened between Dec 2nd and the 6th? Is this where the rumored friction with Coach Steele started? Wasn't it something about attitude in practice? OR, was he playing hurt?

Here's what is not clear to me. KyKy played in 5 games to start last season, then nothing. Was he playing hurt then? If there was an injury (apparently there was), exactly when and how did this "stress fracture" come about? Was there surgery? If so, when and how much associated rehab was necessary? Is 2021-22 going to be a medical redshirt? OR was he healthy enough to play but couldn't get out of Steele's dog house?

If anyone can post facts, it would be much appreciated.

[Lloyd Braun]

Can someone provide an accurate time line for the Tandy situation. I will get it started.

After a nice Freshman season, he picked up where he left off as a Soph. The Toledo game was 11/27/20. He scored 24 in 32 minutes. 3 days latter he played 41 minutes and netted 18. Followed by a 28 minute performance on Dec 2. Then comes the Shootout on the 6th. Minutes dropped to 11 and by January he basically was seeing no action. What happened between Dec 2nd and the 6th? Is this where the rumored friction with Coach Steele started? Wasn't it something about attitude in practice? OR, was he playing hurt?

Here's what is not clear to me. KyKy played in 5 games to start last season, then nothing. Was he playing hurt then? If there was an injury (apparently there was), exactly when and how did this "stress fracture" come about? Was there surgery? If so, when and how much associated rehab was necessary? Is 2021-22 going to be a medical redshirt? OR was he healthy enough to play but couldn't get out of Steele's dog house?

If anyone can post facts, it would be much appreciated.

https://goxavier.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/adam-kunkel/10543

[Xuperman]

https://goxavier.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/adam-kunkel/10543

Yeah, Kunk was granted eligibility and made his X debut vs UC. That could explain some of reason why Tandy was grabbing so much pine, but that can't be all of the story...... the drop in minutes was so precipitous.

Can you touch on any knowledge of the injury?

[bleedXblue]

I dont think it makes much sense to even really consider KyKy a serious threat to play any real minutes.

He's behind Kunk in a big way. He has to FORCE his way into the lineup. Dont know how badly he really wants it.

[drudy23]

I dont think it makes much sense to even really consider KyKy a serious threat to play any real minutes.

He's behind Kunk in a big way. He has to FORCE his way into the lineup. Dont know how badly he really wants it.

I'm not at practice everyday - but is he really "behind Kunk in a big way"? I don't see that. Does he have the edge on playing time? Eh, maybe?

Let's not pretend Kunk is out there shutting down opposing Big East guards. And KyKy is a more consistent 3 point shooter.

[Xavier]

His playing time is a direct result of who X lands in transfers…. Sean mentioned liking having essentially two PGs on court at all times. IMO he means two legit ball handles and scoring threats that put pressure on defense at all times. Kyky certainly fits that roll. Not starting a kunkel kyky debate, kunkel separated himself a little.

Just saying in that role (ability to run offense, have ball in hands and put pressure on D through driving and shot making) kyky has a higher ceiling for that roll. At least he showed flashes of being able to but I’d bet on bringing in a transfer playmaker and kyky getting 9/10th man minutes

[Xuperman]

I dont think it makes much sense to even really consider KyKy a serious threat to play any real minutes.

He's behind Kunk in a big way. He has to FORCE his way into the lineup. Dont know how badly he really wants it.

Totally disagree IF in fact, his problems are injury related. Again, I can not find anything to confirm an injury, let alone when it happened and how severe. I mean, when he has played was he playing hurt? If that's the case he's a gamer and just needs to get back to 100%.

Now if his troubles are effort or lack of motivation, you are spot on about Tandy.......Kunk will never have any issues in that regard!

[D-West & PO-Z]

I dont think it makes much sense to even really consider KyKy a serious threat to play any real minutes.

He's behind Kunk in a big way. He has to FORCE his way into the lineup. Dont know how badly he really wants it.

With Steele I would totally agree. With a new coach and a slate wiped clean I could see him having a path. Will be interesting to see what transfers come on board. That may make things tougher for him. Kunk is def still well ahead of KyKy but I am intrigued by KyKy's decision to stay (assuming he decided after a convo with Miller) and what Miller might be able to get out of Kyky.

[muskiefan82]

I dont think it makes much sense to even really consider KyKy a serious threat to play any real minutes.

He's behind Kunk in a big way. He has to FORCE his way into the lineup. Dont know how badly he really wants it.

I am confident Coach Miller will play the players that make the most sense. Whoever that ends up being is up to the players proving it and the coach making sound decisions. I feel better about that happening next year than the previous few.

[D-West & PO-Z]

His playing time is a direct result of who X lands in transfers…. Sean mentioned liking having essentially two PGs on court at all times. IMO he means two legit ball handles and scoring threats that put pressure on defense at all times. Kyky certainly fits that roll. Not starting a kunkel kyky debate, kunkel separated himself a little.

Just saying in that role (ability to run offense, have ball in hands and put pressure on D through driving and shot making) kyky has a higher ceiling for that roll. At least he showed flashes of being able to but I’d bet on bringing in a transfer playmaker and kyky getting 9/10th man minutes

Really? I think (from what we have seen so far) Kunk does all those things better than Kyky. I think Kyky is a better shooter though. It may have been lack of confidence due to issues with Steele but man after his freshman year Kyky looked lost and was no threat to do anything but shoot a 3. Kunk was way more of a playmaker and got the ball moving.

Again, I am not out on Kyky in the least and can't wait to see what Miller might get out of him.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Totally disagree IF in fact, his problems are injury related. Again, I can not find anything to confirm an injury, let alone when it happened and how severe. I mean, when he has played was he playing hurt? If that's the case he's a gamer and just needs to get back to 100%.

Now if his troubles are effort or lack of motivation, you are spot on about Tandy.......Kunk will never have any issues in that regard!

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2021/12/17/xaviers-kyky-tandy/8943457002/

[Xuperman]

Kunkel is 72-230 from distance at X.
Tandy is 55-156.

KyKy is a valuable weapon if mentally and physically100%.

[Xuperman]

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2021/12/17/xaviers-kyky-tandy/8943457002/

Thanks man! He was injured, so scratch last year altogether. Are we to assume that he was playing hurt in the first 5 games last year? I guess it's possible he was hobbled for the 2nd half of the 2020-21 season.

The article was dated 12/17....he played 4 minutes on the 15th. I guess the surgery was performed sometime in late December. Was he on crutches at any point. I don't recall seeing that, but I didn't get to Cintas last season.

[Xavier]

Really? I think (from what we have seen so far) Kunk does all those things better than Kyky. I think Kyky is a better shooter though. It may have been lack of confidence due to issues with Steele but man after his freshman year Kyky looked lost and was no threat to do anything but shoot a 3. Kunk was way more of a playmaker and got the ball moving.

Again, I am not out on Kyky in the least and can't wait to see what Miller might get out of him.

I think KyKy is the better scorer. He is quicker with the ball in his hands and a very good pull up shot. I dont think Kunkel is someone who can have the ball in his hands for 15 seconds as X runs plays etc.

But I guess I’d agree I think Kunkel had better vision. Higher bball IQ. But I don’t think he puts pressure on defense with his ability to get by you and force help D/ break down the defense. I think kyky does have that ability

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I am confident Coach Miller will play the players that make the most sense. Whoever that ends up being is up to the players proving it and the coach making sound decisions. I feel better about that happening next year than the previous few.

Totally with you on that as does probably 99% of this board. Steele's decisions became, to me, more and more suspect as his tenure rolled on, so I do not concede that Tandy, with a new lease on life, cannot become a highly valuable player (again) for us. I am definitely rooting for the young man. I cannot wait to see how differently this team plays under Miller than his predecessor.

[GoMuskies]

I think we basically have no idea what Kyky is at this point. He was on his way to not playing much last year and sealed it by getting hurt. He can obviouly shoot. But coming off injury and being tied to the bench even before that, who could possibly predict what Tandy would do in a significant role?

I expect him to essentially be a non-contributor and look forward to being pleasantly surprised.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

I will still be shocked if KyKy is at Xavier on the first day of classes in August.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I will still be shocked if KyKy is at Xavier on the first day of classes in August.

Well he only has 4 days to enter the portal.

I guess he could always still leave after but then I believe he lost his chance to transfer without a sit out year.

[XU 87]

I will still be shocked if KyKy is at Xavier on the first day of classes in August.

Do you know something the rest of us don't?

[xavierj]

I will still be shocked if KyKy is at Xavier on the first day of classes in August.

I think you will be wrong on that.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

I think you will be wrong on that.

Hope I am.

[XUBison]

I will still be shocked if KyKy is at Xavier on the first day of classes in August.

Hmmm… I seem to recall you were certain neither X nor Sean had any interest in one another. You told us all to get on with our lives, or something to that effect. So, ya know, just sayin’.