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paulxu
03-27-2022, 07:08 PM
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CINCINNATI --- The Xavier University Musketeers, 21-13, take on the St. Bonaventure University Bonnies, 23-9, in the National Invitation Tournament Semifinals on Tuesday night at 7 p.m. at Madison Square Garden in New York. Xavier and St. Bonaventure were rivals in the Atlantic 10 Conference for 18 seasons before XU moved to the BIG EAST in 2013.

Xavier won the 1958 NIT Championship with a win over St. Bonaventure in the semifinals and win over Dayton in the championship game. XU is 19-7 in NIT play and is in the semifinals for the first time since 1999.

THE MATCHUP

XAVIER UNIVERSITY MUSKETEERS (21-13)
ST. BONAVENTURE UNIVERSITY BONNIES (23-9)
2022 NATIONAL INVITATION TOURNAMENT SEMIFINALS
TUESDAY, MARCH 29 AT 7 P.M. AT MADISON SQUARE GARDEN IN NEW YORK

TV, RADIO & LIVE STATS

National Television: ESPN with play-by-play from John Schriffen, analysis from Fran Fraschilla and reporter Myron Medcalf.
Xavier Radio: 700 WLW with play-by-play from XU Hall of Famer Joe Sunderman ('79) and analysis from XU all-time leading scorer and Hall of Famer Byron Larkin ('88).
National Radio: Westwood One with play-by-play from Brandon Gaudin and analysis from Ben Braun.

Live Stats: Media stats at Statbroadcast.com (http://Statbroadcast.com) and fan stats at GoXavier.com (http://GoXavier.com).

X-band '01
03-27-2022, 11:39 PM
Since Xavier would be the home team based on seeding, do they go with what's worked and stick with the navy jerseys? It's actually going to resemble more of a road game Tuesday night with Bonnies fans snatching up tickets.

Doubt they'll be more hostile than the Cintas crowd during the Seton Hall/St. John's games.

XUOWNSUC
03-28-2022, 08:25 AM
Anybody know if there is still a third place game?

GoMuskies
03-28-2022, 09:21 AM
Anybody know if there is still a third place game?

There is not

bleedXblue
03-28-2022, 09:53 AM
There is not

thank God

GoMuskies
03-28-2022, 10:07 AM
I mean, it was kind of funny in 1999 that we won our last game of the season. That doesn't happen very often. But definitely pointless.

XUWahoo
03-28-2022, 10:57 AM
Despite the differences in the better quality of The Big East Conference compared with the A-10, the Bonnies are still a very good team playing a starting lineup which features mostly seniors and have a seasoned coach. You have to give them credit - they achieved three NIT victories in a row with not a single home game and had to travel thousands of miles for their road games, with one game having to be played in the higher altitude of Colorado. My understanding is that they rarely go to their bench which can become problematic if their some of their starting five gets into early foul trouble. This is hoping that Xavier uses their experience in The Big East, makes sound decisions on the floor with few turnovers, and continues their momentum to take the NIT title!

SM#24
03-28-2022, 02:20 PM
Men’s Basketball NIT Information
When: Mar 29, 2022
Where: New York City, NY

Event Details

The Xavier men’s basketball team has advanced to the semi-finals of the NIT. Fans traveling or that are in the NYC area are invited to join other Musketeers for a pre-game fan gathering party at The Keg Room! Fans are encouraged to gather 2 hours prior to tip-off.

You can find all of the latest tournament information here: 2022 National Invitational Tournament and follow the Xavier Musketeers tournament action at GoXavier.com. Tickets can be purchased HERE.

Tuesday, March 29
5:00 PM EST

*Fans are encouraged to gather 2 hours before tip-off. The Keg Room opens at 11:30 AM and fans are welcome any time.

Keg Room
53 West 36th Street
New York, NY 10018

Tournament Information:
March 29, 2022
Xavier vs. St. Bonaventure
7:00 PM EST Tip-Off
Madison Square Garden

Jumpin_Jamal_Forever
03-28-2022, 02:36 PM
Doubt they'll be more hostile than the Cintas crowd during the Seton Hall/St. John's games.

I wonder how much the memory of that will weigh on the players once the season concludes and they can enter the portal.

Masterofreality
03-28-2022, 02:54 PM
The players realize that the fans were pissed at the Coach. The chant was “Fire Travis Steele!”

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2022, 04:45 PM
Men’s Basketball NIT Information
When: Mar 29, 2022
Where: New York City, NY

Event Details

The Xavier men’s basketball team has advanced to the semi-finals of the NIT. Fans traveling or that are in the NYC area are invited to join other Musketeers for a pre-game fan gathering party at The Keg Room! Fans are encouraged to gather 2 hours prior to tip-off.

You can find all of the latest tournament information here: 2022 National Invitational Tournament and follow the Xavier Musketeers tournament action at GoXavier.com. Tickets can be purchased HERE.

Tuesday, March 29
5:00 PM EST

*Fans are encouraged to gather 2 hours before tip-off. The Keg Room opens at 11:30 AM and fans are welcome any time.

Keg Room
53 West 36th Street
New York, NY 10018

Tournament Information:
March 29, 2022
Xavier vs. St. Bonaventure
7:00 PM EST Tip-Off
Madison Square Garden

Ha, I wont be in NYC but out of curioistiy looked up the keg room and was looking at pictures thinking, man, this place looks a little rough. Well that was the keg room in Columbus, the one in NYC looks much nicer!

paulxu
03-29-2022, 05:06 PM
They need to win this game (and the next one) for Scruggs.

noteggs
03-29-2022, 05:27 PM
They need to win this game (and the next one) for Scruggs.

If rumors are true, he was putting off surgery to stay with the team. So yes, I concur.

Masterofreality
03-29-2022, 05:46 PM
From Vegas Insider:

“ Xavier defeated Vanderbilt 75-73 in the quarterfinals of the NIT but failed to cover as 2.5-point favorites. The Musketeers shot 52.9 FG%, 35.7 3PT%, and lost the rebounding battle 34-31. On the defensive end the allowed Vanderbilt 44.1 FG%, 35.7 3PT%, and forced 10 turnovers. Throughout the season Xavier averaged 73.9 PPG, 44.8 FG%, 32.0 3PT%, 37.2 RPG, while allowing opponents 68.9 PPG, 42.2 FG%, and 31.9 3PT%. In their last 10 games Xavier has gone 6-4 SU, 2-8 ATS, and had an O/U record of 6-4.

I like Xavier to win plus cover in this matchup. The Musketeers seem to be playing better since head coach Travis Steele and the university mutually agreed to part ways. Xavier should also be able to control the glass in this game and limit any extra possessions for St. Bonaventure. Take the points and the Musketeers here and for a little extra juice, play Xavier moneyline as well.”

xudash
03-29-2022, 06:40 PM
I assume this will be a "home game" for the Bonnies. That's fine. End their dreams yet again.

X-band '01
03-29-2022, 06:50 PM
I assume they think we're ruffians and rapscallions for not respecting them and making fun of their welding past.

I also assume nobody gives a damn.

Masterofreality
03-29-2022, 06:53 PM
I assume they think we're ruffians and rapscallions for not respecting them and making fun of their welding past.

I also assume nobody gives a damn.

Jan Van Breda Kolff ain't walking through that door.

Masterofreality
03-29-2022, 07:09 PM
I can see already that ESPN will be favoring the Welders.
But glad that Sean made the trip. Analyzation!

X-band '01
03-29-2022, 07:09 PM
More familiarity with the Garden has given X an early offensive edge.

X-band '01
03-29-2022, 07:14 PM
"They didn't want St. Bonaventure in the NIT, so they shipped them to Colorado"

And yet people forget that our team was bad enough in '58 that the NIT tried to revoke their bid and instead made them the bottom seed. The rest is history.

bjf123
03-29-2022, 07:17 PM
Someone needs to explain goaltending to that dude! It’s not that tough.


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X-band '01
03-29-2022, 07:19 PM
Bonnies getting killed on the boards is their bigger problem right now. They're one-and-done each time.

13-0 Xavier run also helped bigtime to loosen up.

xu82
03-29-2022, 07:20 PM
Someone needs to explain goaltending to that dude! It’s not that tough.


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Nah, I kinda like him swatting shots that had no shot.

bjf123
03-29-2022, 07:21 PM
Nah, I kinda like him swatting shots that had no shot.

True, though I love the confused look on his face when it’s called.


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Masterofreality
03-29-2022, 07:22 PM
Jonas Hayes has these guys playing the right way. Hunter is reined in. Amazing how it shows how bad Steele controlled this team

xu82
03-29-2022, 07:24 PM
True, though I love the confused look on his face when it’s called.


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That adds to my amusement! LOL


Nice interview with Sean there.

xudash
03-29-2022, 07:25 PM
Ankle passes from Kunkel to Nunge probably are not a good idea.

Three Point Pete
03-29-2022, 07:26 PM
"He deserves to be a head coach in college basketball"

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xu82
03-29-2022, 07:26 PM
Jonas Hayes has these guys playing the right way. Hunter is reined in. Amazing how it shows how bad Steele controlled this team


Jonas is making himself some money. Selfishly, I hope he stays around a while, but he’ll be a HC soon.

Xavgrad08
03-29-2022, 07:27 PM
Fran Fraschilla said he thought Xavier was one of the most talented teams in Big East, but they were soft. Fran knows.

xudash
03-29-2022, 07:31 PM
Fran Fraschilla said he thought Xavier was one of the most talented teams in Big East, but they were soft. Fran knows.

Revealing.

X-band '01
03-29-2022, 07:31 PM
Bonnies had a brief 7-0 run but Xavier answered right back with a 9-0 run.

We'll also see if they jack up more 3s later on in the game - they've hit a good clip so far.

xu82
03-29-2022, 07:33 PM
Fran Fraschilla said he thought Xavier was one of the most talented teams in Big East, but they were soft. Fran knows.

“….and they had better be ready for Sean Miller”

muskiegirl9
03-29-2022, 07:34 PM
Still need to work on free throws

X-band '01
03-29-2022, 07:41 PM
This is feeling more like a road game at Reilly back when Anthony Solomon was coaching horrible Bonnie teams.

Nigel Tufnel
03-29-2022, 07:44 PM
This is the hardest X game I’ve ever watched. First in my 48 years of life without my father. He passed away unexpectedly from a heart attack yesterday morning. Mother is in hospital dealing with severe dehydration and low sodium due to cancer treatment. Dad had taken care of her 24 hours a day for the past two weeks until he passed yesterday morning. Dad is guiding some of those shots in. Already reached for my phone 2-3 times to text my dad. Instinct.

Masterofreality
03-29-2022, 07:44 PM
mazing how horrible free throw shooters always make 2 against us

Masterofreality
03-29-2022, 07:47 PM
This is the hardest X game I’ve ever watched. First in my 48 years of life without my father. He passed away unexpectedly from a heart attack yesterday morning. Mother is in hospital dealing with severe dehydration and low sodium due to cancer treatment. Dad had taken care of her 24 hours a day for the past two weeks until he passed yesterday morning. Dad is guiding some of those shots in. Already reached for my phone 2-3 times to text my dad. Instinct.

So sorry my Brother. I'm sending a ton of prayers your way. #Strong

Xville
03-29-2022, 07:48 PM
This is the hardest X game I’ve ever watched. First in my 48 years of life without my father. He passed away unexpectedly from a heart attack yesterday morning. Mother is in hospital dealing with severe dehydration and low sodium due to cancer treatment. Dad had taken care of her 24 hours a day for the past two weeks until he passed yesterday morning. Dad is guiding some of those shots in. Already reached for my phone 2-3 times to text my dad. Instinct.

Horrible to hear and I’m sorry. Certainly puts things in perspective. My condolences to you and your family, and hope that your mom heals quickly

BandAid
03-29-2022, 07:49 PM
Fran Fraschilla said he thought Xavier was one of the most talented teams in Big East, but they were soft. Fran knows.

He also said "they don't deal well with adversity, but they're playing with a lot of confidence right now." And he's called out Freemantle twice for shenanigans after making a shot. Fran knows what's up.

X-band '01
03-29-2022, 07:49 PM
Very sorry to hear that Nigel. There has definitely been divine intervention on both sides of the floor for Xavier.

Meanwhile, Fran Fraschilla is airing about 4 months of grievances against Xavier (harsh but correct, especially when talking about Freemantle's attitude depending on whether or not X is up).

Jumpin_Jamal_Forever
03-29-2022, 07:50 PM
What this team might have accomplished this year had Jonas been the head ball coach.

xu82
03-29-2022, 07:50 PM
This is the hardest X game I’ve ever watched. First in my 48 years of life without my father. He passed away unexpectedly from a heart attack yesterday morning. Mother is in hospital dealing with severe dehydration and low sodium due to cancer treatment. Dad had taken care of her 24 hours a day for the past two weeks until he passed yesterday morning. Dad is guiding some of those shots in. Already reached for my phone 2-3 times to text my dad. Instinct.

Ugh….. So sorry for your lose and the anguish you must be feeling.

Caring for loved ones is an incredible strain. I’m surprised my mother made it thru taking care of my father. We had close friends nearby who helped her while we lived out of state. That is more than a ride to the airport. The ultimate test.

Life is so much more than basketball. Prayers sent to you and yours.

bjf123
03-29-2022, 07:50 PM
This is the hardest X game I’ve ever watched. First in my 48 years of life without my father. He passed away unexpectedly from a heart attack yesterday morning. Mother is in hospital dealing with severe dehydration and low sodium due to cancer treatment. Dad had taken care of her 24 hours a day for the past two weeks until he passed yesterday morning. Dad is guiding some of those shots in. Already reached for my phone 2-3 times to text my dad. Instinct.

So sorry to hear all that. Thoughts and prayers for you and your family.


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xu82
03-29-2022, 07:51 PM
What this team might have accomplished this year had Jonas been the head ball coach.


We certainly would have been in THE tournament. No doubt in my mind.

BandAid
03-29-2022, 07:51 PM
My condolences Nigel, hopefully watching the boys gives you some consolation this evening.

xukeith
03-29-2022, 07:53 PM
Appreciate Kunkel but gee..... Stop shooting after 7 straight misses. Drive to hoop and get a closer basket. Steele is no longer the coach, Adam.

bjf123
03-29-2022, 07:56 PM
What this team might have accomplished this year had Jonas been the head ball coach.

I hope he’s back next year with Sean, but won’t be surprised at all if he’s the head coach somewhere else.


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Xville
03-29-2022, 07:56 PM
He also said "they don't deal well with adversity, but they're playing with a lot of confidence right now." And he's called out Freemantle twice for shenanigans after making a shot. Fran knows what's up.

Yep I’m done with free. I’m really sick of his antics and his fake tough guy attitude..doing the too small nonsense after making a shot…really? Wanna show clips how you were too small against almost every single big East team this year? Hope he transfers

XUBob
03-29-2022, 07:57 PM
Nigel, sorry for your loss prayers for you and your family.

xukeith
03-29-2022, 07:57 PM
Fran made some good points. If Hayes is some new amazing coach, where was any of his magic during the Steele years? Hayes is a tad lucky to inherit this talented X team temporarily.

noteggs
03-29-2022, 07:57 PM
This is the hardest X game I’ve ever watched. First in my 48 years of life without my father. He passed away unexpectedly from a heart attack yesterday morning. Mother is in hospital dealing with severe dehydration and low sodium due to cancer treatment. Dad had taken care of her 24 hours a day for the past two weeks until he passed yesterday morning. Dad is guiding some of those shots in. Already reached for my phone 2-3 times to text my dad. Instinct.

Definitely prayers your way. X family always thinking of those in need.

Nigel Tufnel
03-29-2022, 07:58 PM
Thanks everyone. Hugged and kissed my dead father’s corpse yesterday morning and then went into get mom healthy mode. Been at the hospital with her 8 hours today…she’s slowly doing better…had no idea how bad severe dehydration could be…she is so weak, she hasn’t even shed a tear over her spouse of 52 years dying unexpectedly yesterday morning. This is my first chance to grieve. It ain’t pretty. Glad it’s over X basketball.

I miss the texts and even the complaints about Steele and Scruggs’ TO’s. I’ll talk to him after the game…just won’t be by text or phone call. Buddy of mine said at least we had this connection…he’s right. Other people don’t. I want to be grateful for that connection. Doesn’t make it any easier.

KabeX
03-29-2022, 08:01 PM
Revealing.
Y I thought his comments about that and Free were pretty much spot on.

KabeX
03-29-2022, 08:02 PM
This is the hardest X game I’ve ever watched. First in my 48 years of life without my father. He passed away unexpectedly from a heart attack yesterday morning. Mother is in hospital dealing with severe dehydration and low sodium due to cancer treatment. Dad had taken care of her 24 hours a day for the past two weeks until he passed yesterday morning. Dad is guiding some of those shots in. Already reached for my phone 2-3 times to text my dad. Instinct.
We're with you brother. I've been there. Prob most here have. You pop will always be your pop. Love doesn't die.

Blue Blooded-05
03-29-2022, 08:03 PM
This is the hardest X game I’ve ever watched. First in my 48 years of life without my father. He passed away unexpectedly from a heart attack yesterday morning. Mother is in hospital dealing with severe dehydration and low sodium due to cancer treatment. Dad had taken care of her 24 hours a day for the past two weeks until he passed yesterday morning. Dad is guiding some of those shots in. Already reached for my phone 2-3 times to text my dad. Instinct.

Sorry brother. My father passed away the morning of the X/OSU game in November. Was a great game but bittersweet knowing I would never get to break down a game with him ever again. Stay strong

Masterofreality
03-29-2022, 08:10 PM
Those were BS Technicals

bjf123
03-29-2022, 08:15 PM
Those were BS Technicals

The refs didn’t call many fouls in the first half, so they want more screen time on TV this half.


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X-band '01
03-29-2022, 08:16 PM
Hurts the Bonnies more since Lofton now has 3 fouls. They won't have a good answer if he picks up #4 soon.

Meanwhile, definitely worried that the Bonnies are now in an offensive rhythm, although they're just trading baskets right now.

xudash
03-29-2022, 08:17 PM
This is the hardest X game I’ve ever watched. First in my 48 years of life without my father. He passed away unexpectedly from a heart attack yesterday morning. Mother is in hospital dealing with severe dehydration and low sodium due to cancer treatment. Dad had taken care of her 24 hours a day for the past two weeks until he passed yesterday morning. Dad is guiding some of those shots in. Already reached for my phone 2-3 times to text my dad. Instinct.

Prayers. God bless him and your family.

MHettel
03-29-2022, 08:17 PM
This is the hardest X game I’ve ever watched. First in my 48 years of life without my father. He passed away unexpectedly from a heart attack yesterday morning. Mother is in hospital dealing with severe dehydration and low sodium due to cancer treatment. Dad had taken care of her 24 hours a day for the past two weeks until he passed yesterday morning. Dad is guiding some of those shots in. Already reached for my phone 2-3 times to text my dad. Instinct.

Sorry to hear that brother

muskiegirl9
03-29-2022, 08:19 PM
So sorry for your loss Nigel. I shared X basketball with my mom for 20 plus years but now she is in a nursing home in the late stages of dementia and doesn’t know who I am anymore. I hope your mom gets better soon. Prayers for you and your family.

xudash
03-29-2022, 08:27 PM
Is it possible to demand that HUNTER go into the portal?

Clearly, not allowed to hoist any three-point shots, but he still manages to turn it over.

noteggs
03-29-2022, 08:29 PM
Is it possible to demand that HUNTER go into the portal?

Clearly, not allowed to hoist any three-point shots, but he still manages to turn it over.

I would be surprised if Sean wants him next year, so yes that nudge may be made.

IM4X
03-29-2022, 08:30 PM
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Is Hunter still in. He is an absolute liability?

muskiegirl9
03-29-2022, 08:34 PM
I’m asking the exact same question!!!

Masterofreality
03-29-2022, 08:36 PM
Yup. Had about enough of the Jerome Hunter Experience

bjf123
03-29-2022, 08:38 PM
Kiss of death there saying it’s Xavier’s game to lose?


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xudash
03-29-2022, 08:40 PM
We will be fine. We are going to win this thing. Right now.

muskiegirl9
03-29-2022, 08:40 PM
Kiss of death there saying it’s Xavier’s game to lose?


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That’s why I’m listening to Joe and Byron!

xudash
03-29-2022, 08:46 PM
Colby, you are better than that.

Masterofreality
03-29-2022, 08:46 PM
Good hands by Jonas

Masterofreality
03-29-2022, 08:47 PM
Give us One Stop and One Score

xukeith
03-29-2022, 08:49 PM
Will following years of NIT be played in alternate sites like NCAA final 4?

bjf123
03-29-2022, 08:53 PM
Will following years of NIT be played in alternate sites like NCAA final 4?

Sounds like it.


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xu82
03-29-2022, 08:56 PM
LOVE me some Colby, but I wish he’d get that FT % up next year. That 68% needs to go up for your go to guy.

X-band '01
03-29-2022, 08:56 PM
This is turning into a how-to video for breaking a press.

Blue Blooded-05
03-29-2022, 08:57 PM
Didn’t know Kunk could dunk

Masterofreality
03-29-2022, 08:57 PM
Boy does this take me back to two weeks ago.
MAKE.YOUR.FREE. THROWS

xu82
03-29-2022, 08:59 PM
Captain Beer is not looking happy…….

xudash
03-29-2022, 09:00 PM
Poor little A10.

Blue Blooded-05
03-29-2022, 09:02 PM
Going to be weird potentially seeing Xavier win the final game of the season

xuphan
03-29-2022, 09:04 PM
Poor little A10.

The way this team has performed during the NIT makes you scratch your head about Steele.

noteggs
03-29-2022, 09:05 PM
Captain Beer is not looking happy…….

Seems like he’s got a good NIL agreement. Good for him. But yeah not happy now

bleedXblue
03-29-2022, 09:06 PM
The way this team has performed during the NIT makes you scratch your head about Steele.

And Scruggs

Sorry, but he was the bottleneck in the offense. Too slow and too deliberate with the ball.

drudy23
03-29-2022, 09:06 PM
The way this team has performed during the NIT makes you scratch your head about Steele.

For real.

Was there more going on behind the scenes that we didn't know about? This team is as free as I've seen this year. Did Steele really hamstring them so much with analytics and stubborn decision making?

It's also obvious Fraschilla wanted to blame Steele but just didn't come out and say it.

xu82
03-29-2022, 09:07 PM
The way this team has performed during the NIT makes you scratch your head about Steele.

I don’t hate on the guy. Good person by all accounts, and he adds value as an assistant and recruiter. He brought this talent in. He’s just not up to the top job at this point in his career.

noteggs
03-29-2022, 09:09 PM
For real.

Was there more going on behind the scenes that we didn't know about? This team is as free as I've seen this year. Did Steele really hamstring them so much with analytics and stubborn decision making?

It's also obvious Fraschilla wanted to blame Steele but just didn't come out and say it. Is the word out?

Lol! Just texted a friend of mine the same thing at half. (About Steele’s coaching)

xudash
03-29-2022, 09:09 PM
I don’t hate on the guy. Good person by all accounts, and he adds value as an assistant and recruiter. He brought this talent in. He’s just not up to the top job at this point in his career.

xuphan is right.

And good point.

XUGRAD80
03-29-2022, 09:10 PM
Alright….now let’s go win a championship!

IM4X
03-29-2022, 09:14 PM
This is the hardest X game IÂ’ve ever watched. First in my 48 years of life without my father. He passed away unexpectedly from a heart attack yesterday morning. Mother is in hospital dealing with severe dehydration and low sodium due to cancer treatment. Dad had taken care of her 24 hours a day for the past two weeks until he passed yesterday morning. Dad is guiding some of those shots in. Already reached for my phone 2-3 times to text my dad. Instinct.

Very sorry for your loss Nigel. I would normally say, “I can’t imagine what you are going through,” but it just so happens my father died unexpectedly of a heart attack and my mother was battling cancer when it happened. I hope you have family any friends to lean on for help during this time. It really helped me. Your dad was there for X today. I will pray for you, your mother and your family. God Bless.

Jumpin_Jamal_Forever
03-29-2022, 09:14 PM
And Scruggs

Sorry, but he was the bottleneck in the offense. Too slow and too deliberate with the ball.

Absolutely correct. Not meant to be a criticism of Scruggs but he was, to use your very appropriate label, a bottleneck. The way Steele played him was the wrong way for the other four guys on the floor.

bleedXblue
03-29-2022, 09:15 PM
Absolutely correct. Not meant to be a criticism of Scruggs but he was, to use your very appropriate label, a bottleneck. The way Steele played him was the wrong way for the other four guys on the floor.

And how you couldn't see that is why he is where he is.

XUGRAD80
03-29-2022, 09:15 PM
StB doesn’t appear to be a good defensive team, BUT the X offensive was certainly moving with more freedom than we have seen in a long while. Can’t remember more than a couple of times where someone just backed their man down in the lane while the other 4 players watched. X got a lot of 2nd chance points by crashing the boards and following shots, and also got a lot of layups and open shots, because of players moving and not just watching.

bleedXblue
03-29-2022, 09:18 PM
For real.

Was there more going on behind the scenes that we didn't know about? This team is as free as I've seen this year. Did Steele really hamstring them so much with analytics and stubborn decision making?

It's also obvious Fraschilla wanted to blame Steele but just didn't come out and say it.

Yes he did. Especially with Scruggs at PG and playing Hunter a bunch. Colby is finally getting to the rim way more often and the ball movement is vastly improved.

XUGRAD80
03-29-2022, 09:21 PM
Only negative that I saw….Kunkel still takes to many looooong 3 point shots. He needs to be a little more selective and his % should improve.

KabeX
03-29-2022, 09:22 PM
StB doesn’t appear to be a good defensive team, BUT the X offensive was certainly moving with more freedom than we have seen in a long while. Can’t remember more than a couple of times where someone just backed their man down in the lane while the other 4 players watched. X got a lot of 2nd chance points by crashing the boards and following shots, and also got a lot of layups and open shots, because of players moving and not just watching.
Spot on.

Nigel Tufnel
03-29-2022, 09:23 PM
Very sorry for your loss Nigel. I would normally say, “I can’t imagine what you are going through,” but it just so happens my father died unexpectedly of a heart attack and my mother was battling cancer when it happened. I hope you have family any friends to lean on for help during this time. It really helped me. Your dad was there for X today. I will pray for you, your mother and your family. God Bless.

Thanks. Dad was an X grad student in education. He loved X and his graduate experience in education. Went on to be a superintendent and principal at Williamsburg and Deer Park. He didn’t push X on me for college. He gently massaged it. It worked. He’s happy with another game…not happy it’s in the NIT.

Sorry I unloaded tonight in a game thread guys. Been a long 48 hours.

paulxu
03-29-2022, 09:24 PM
Nigel, so sorry to hear of your loss. Sending good thoughts and lots of prayers.

Glad the Muskies won. Can't wait for the season to be over; tired of hearing all the bashing of a coach who is not even with the team anymore.

Looking forward to winning the last game of the year.

JTG
03-29-2022, 09:25 PM
Didn’t know Kunk could dunk

Apparently white men CAN jump.

KabeX
03-29-2022, 09:34 PM
Thanks. Dad was an X grad student in education. He loved X and his graduate experience in education. Went on to be a superintendent and principal at Williamsburg and Deer Park. He didn’t push X on me for college. He gently massaged it. It worked. He’s happy with another game…not happy it’s in the NIT.

Sorry I unloaded tonight in a game thread guys. Been a long 48 hours.
You need an outlet. We all have a common bond here with our love of Xavier Basketball. And we're all going thru the ups and downs of life. Lean on your friends whether virtual, in the flesh or anywhere. You're not alone. Ever.

drudy23
03-29-2022, 09:35 PM
Only negative that I saw….Kunkel still takes to many looooong 3 point shots. He needs to be a little more selective and his % should improve.

Yup - just as bad as turnovers when he shoots them early in the clock. The kid cannot wait to shoot the ball.

I'd actually consider him a relatively smart player besides this. But decision making was never a strong suit for this squad, especially with their lack of offensive rhythm. Maybe that's why he shoots them, because he knows he likely won't get a clean look.

xudash
03-29-2022, 09:42 PM
Only negative that I saw….Kunkel still takes to many looooong 3 point shots. He needs to be a little more selective and his % should improve.

A little more authority and focus at the rim, too. A few misses and blocks on long drives and layups today.

XUWahoo
03-29-2022, 09:49 PM
Really got tired of the repeated camera shots and references to Captain Beer and the St. Bonaventure students and fans over and over and over. It was as if there were only a handful of X students and fans in attendance.

xu82
03-29-2022, 10:30 PM
An NIT Championship banner hanging in Cintas would speak volumes about Steele’s ability to recruit.

That is the optimist in me.

muskiefan82
03-29-2022, 10:37 PM
An NIT Championship banner hanging in Cintas would speak volumes about Steele’s ability to recruit.

That is the optimist in me.

Wouldn't they just add 2022 under the 1958 on the banner that's up there?

bjf123
03-29-2022, 10:45 PM
Wouldn't they just add 2022 under the 1958 on the banner that's up there?

Yep!


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muskiefan82
03-29-2022, 11:05 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's on to Texas A&M

Masterofreality
03-29-2022, 11:14 PM
Sorry I unloaded tonight in a game thread guys. Been a long 48 hours.

Nothing to be sorry about Friend. This here Internet Tavern is right here for anything you need.
Including some Grieving. Prayers

noteggs
03-29-2022, 11:48 PM
Yes Kunkel has shot too many 3’s when he’s off. But can we finally agree he’s a good or acceptable high major player?

waggy
03-30-2022, 01:38 AM
Coach Hayes loves him some unathletic white guys

GreatWhiteNorth
03-30-2022, 02:00 AM
Let’s go X, bring home the championship!

IM4X
03-30-2022, 02:04 AM
Thanks. Dad was an X grad student in education. He loved X and his graduate experience in education. Went on to be a superintendent and principal at Williamsburg and Deer Park. He didnÂ’t push X on me for college. He gently massaged it. It worked. HeÂ’s happy with another gameÂ…not happy itÂ’s in the NIT.

Sorry I unloaded tonight in a game thread guys. Been a long 48 hours.

No need to feel bad. Honestly, I am glad you thought to share with us all. Your father sounds like he was an amazing person.

You are never prepared to lose a parent. The sudden passing of your mother or father can really knock you off your feet and it may take a bit of time to get back up again. At least, that was my experience. I wish you great strength as you try to get through this difficult time and as you help your mother get through it as well. She is going to need you.

When my father passed, it was like a huge hole in my heart had been created. ItÂ’s a hole that still remains, because I miss him so damn much. No one has quite the same unconditional love as a parent. After my father passed, I became quite depressed. I struggled with thoughts about how I would never be able to see him or have another conversation with him. I started beating myself up about all the things I could have said or done but didnÂ’t. Maybe I could have been a little more grateful or been there for him more.

It took me a while to accept that I was actually a pretty good son and what was important was to treasure all of special times we did have together and the things we did say and the laughs we did share. I tried to think about every thing he taught me or did for me. It was helpful for me. Being a good father to my son (and daughter) was another way for me to feel better- I try to be a good teacher and listener to my kids. I try to show them I care and that I love them unconditionally. I try hard to make them happy. I try to be good to my kids the way he was to me and my siblings.

Having conversations with your mother about your father can be help for both you and your mother. My mother and I talked about many precious memories the two of us shared over the years with my father and I even asked her to share stories about him that I had never heard. I also decided to ask her questions that I wanted to ask my father, but never got around to asking him- hoping she could help answer some of those questions.

At the same time, I reminded myself that I had to try to be strong for my mother. Your mother is going to need you. Do your best to be there for her, doing whatever she needs or wantsÂ… maybe even ask her questions you want to know about her that you have yet to ask her. I made sure to do that with my mother and I am very happy I did. Later, when I did finally lose my mother, I wasnÂ’t left with so many questions that couldnÂ’t be answered and I made sure she knew how grateful I was for all she didÂ… and how I would always think of her and talk about her. I even had her start a journal and include everything she thought was important for me or anyone else to know about her.

I am rambling on, but it was all important to me when I lost my father. I hope IÂ’ve at least touched on something that might be a little helpful to you. Again, I am so sorry for your loss. God Bless you and your family.

UCGRAD4X
03-30-2022, 04:51 AM
StB doesn’t appear to be a good defensive team, BUT the X offensive was certainly moving with more freedom than we have seen in a long while. Can’t remember more than a couple of times where someone just backed their man down in the lane while the other 4 players watched. X got a lot of 2nd chance points by crashing the boards and following shots, and also got a lot of layups and open shots, because of players moving and not just watching.

Trying hard to remember where I've seen this before.

XUGRAD80
03-30-2022, 06:49 AM
Trying hard to remember where I've seen this before.

Pre-Mack?

UCGRAD4X
03-30-2022, 07:09 AM
Pre-Mack?

I meant that particular brand of defense...much more recent.

XUGRAD80
03-30-2022, 07:46 AM
I meant that particular brand of defense...much more recent.

:drinks:

Jumpin_Jamal_Forever
03-30-2022, 07:52 AM
Yep I’m done with free. I’m really sick of his antics and his fake tough guy attitude..doing the too small nonsense after making a shot…really? Wanna show clips how you were too small against almost every single big East team this year? Hope he transfers

I disagree. Hope Free stays (but that he grows up). He has been a different player in post season---like X has been a different team.

Hats off to Jonas. I guess one lesson learned is we always fight the last war. We hired Steele based on his long apprenticeship and experience assisting multiple head coaches. We didn't even consider Hayes for the very same reason---he was an assistant without head coaching experience. Not backsliding on Miller because where the program was at, season end, cried out for somebody we knew, without question, could be a redeemer. Miller has had that effect already. But really appreciate the job Hayes, Dante, et al have done stabilizing the ship and restoring pride in the program among players and fans. I want Hayes to stick around but if he moves on, all of us should celebrate what he did for Xavier basketball, particularly these last few weeks.

On another note, Fraschilla's comments have been direct, candid and spot on. It is good to hear some honest critique of our play under Steele from an outside observer expressing what many of us on this board have been saying for months-----MOR for a couple of years now.

nuts4xu
03-30-2022, 08:46 AM
It looks like a different team with Hayes in charge, and with Scruggs out of the lineup.

Both Travis Steele and Paul Scruggs are Xavier guys and gave a lot of years to Xavier Nation. I thank them for their dedication and hard work, but it was time for both of them to move on with their life's work. I feel for those guys, especially Pauly, no one wants to end their college career with surgery.

Xavier is 15-1 this season outside of the Big East. I hated the Travis Steele brand of basketball and the fact he could not compete in the Big East. I am so glad that chapter is over. I have been less than interested in this NIT campaign, barely watched the 4 games so far. But I am very happy for Jonas Hayes and the current players on team 100. The only way an NIT season feels good is if you win the whole fucking thing. For me and most fans, it will still feel hollow and I will not celebrate an NIT banner. But for the kids on this team, with all they have endured the last few seasons, it is a testament to their fortitude to make it this far and I am so happy for them to go out like this.

GoMuskies
03-30-2022, 09:08 AM
I'm sure Travis wanted to watch his team/his guys play last night, but I hope he watched that game on mute. The broadcast was absolutely (and appropriately) brutal to him.

nickgyp
03-30-2022, 09:41 AM
Thanks everyone. Hugged and kissed my dead father’s corpse yesterday morning and then went into get mom healthy mode. Been at the hospital with her 8 hours today…she’s slowly doing better…had no idea how bad severe dehydration could be…she is so weak, she hasn’t even shed a tear over her spouse of 52 years dying unexpectedly yesterday morning. This is my first chance to grieve. It ain’t pretty. Glad it’s over X basketball.

I miss the texts and even the complaints about Steele and Scruggs’ TO’s. I’ll talk to him after the game…just won’t be by text or phone call. Buddy of mine said at least we had this connection…he’s right. Other people don’t. I want to be grateful for that connection. Doesn’t make it any easier.

Nigel:

Condolences on the loss of your father. Prayers for him, your mother and your entire family. In the grand scheme of life, basketball games are unimportant but they at least the can provide a small respite from the harsh aspects of life. My family is grieving the unexpected death of a 28 year old nephew. Yesterday was the first day that I spent with my brother and sister-in-law. The grief is unimaginable and I came home emotionally spent. Yet, I watched last night’s game and for its duration, there was a reason to cheer and enjoy the win. I suspect my brother watched as he is a Xavier fan and I hope that it lifted his spirits ever so briefly as I hope it lifted yours. Godspeed!

bleedXblue
03-30-2022, 10:27 AM
Yes Kunkel has shot too many 3’s when he’s off. But can we finally agree he’s a good or acceptable high major player?

He can definitely play at this level.

Ideally I see him as a 15-20 minute guy. 1st or 2nd guy off the bench.

I love his pace of play and when he gets the ball in his hands he's moving and trying to create. He isn't holding onto the ball and slowing things down like Scruggs and Johnson do.

I'll say this. Johnson can shoot, but man he cant do much of anything else. He doesn't create at all. He's an OK defender.........

We have to stop recruiting guys like him with the expectation that they are going to play starter minutes.

American X
03-30-2022, 10:42 AM
Kunkel is great, except when he is taking 5 point shots.

SM#24
03-30-2022, 10:57 AM
Kunkel is great, except when he is taking 5 point shots.

Absolutely. He has to stop thinking he's Steph Curry. He's not. He had a terrible first half, I literally thought he had money on the game with the poor shot selection and turnovers. We should have been up 25 at half if Jonas flipped his 20m with Odom's 9m. The game would have never got interesting. Kunkel did redeem himself a bit in the second half when he started taking better shots (except for a couple). I'll have to watch it again, but I think Kunkel was the primary defender on Welch who torched us. All in all, Kunkel was a net negative.

I was there with about 100 other X fans. I think Bonnies had more fans than the Reilly Center holds; it got pretty loud a couple times.

All in all though, a good performance. Colby did a great job shutting down Adaway. They had no answer for Free and Nunge. And we closed out the game well.

Masterofreality
03-30-2022, 11:35 AM
I disagree. Hope Free stays (but that he grows up). He has been a different player in post season---like X has been a different team.

Hats off to Jonas. I guess one lesson learned is we always fight the last war. We hired Steele based on his long apprenticeship and experience assisting multiple head coaches. We didn't even consider Hayes for the very same reason---he was an assistant without head coaching experience. Not backsliding on Miller because where the program was at, season end, cried out for somebody we knew, without question, could be a redeemer. Miller has had that effect already. But really appreciate the job Hayes, Dante, et al have done stabilizing the ship and restoring pride in the program among players and fans. I want Hayes to stick around but if he moves on, all of us should celebrate what he did for Xavier basketball, particularly these last few weeks.

On another note, Fraschilla's comments have been direct, candid and spot on. It is good to hear some honest critique of our play under Steele from an outside observer expressing what many of us on this board have been saying for months-----MOR for a couple of years now.

One thing that has been proven…Being an experienced College Basketball Player- not necessarily a big time star- should be a prerequisite to be a Head Coach. Watching and observing and reading books and stats does not equate to being in the octagon. Experience speaks!

xuwillie
03-30-2022, 11:50 AM
Kunkel is great, except when he is taking 5 point shots.

And not passing to wide open teammates when he drives. His game is pretty frustrating

bleedXblue
03-30-2022, 11:58 AM
And not passing to wide open teammates when he drives. His game is pretty frustrating

I dont know what his +/- was last night ?

He scored 18 and had 4 rebs and 3 assists.

I'd take that every game from him

xuwillie
03-30-2022, 12:27 PM
I dont know what his +/- was last night ?

He scored 18 and had 4 rebs and 3 assists.

I'd take that every game from him

I believe he played 40 minutes so wouldn't it be +7 ha ..

Masterofreality
03-30-2022, 04:44 PM
I listened to Joe & Byron last night.
Today I went back and watched and listened to the ESPN guys. Despite some people’s criticisms, I thought that Fran Frischilla was excellent in all respects and he wasn’t afraid to render his honest thoughts. He made it pretty clear what most of us have thought about Xavier’s talent was his thoughts as well. He also made it pretty clear where the responsibility lay for the underperformance without directly calling out anybody by name.
He really called out the Milquetoasts and lack of hard noses.
Sean will definitely correct that.

xukeith
03-30-2022, 05:04 PM
Biggest issue with Kunkel is he can make 2-3 threes one game and then follow it up with 0-8 or 1-5 the next two games.

drudy23
03-30-2022, 05:16 PM
I listened to Joe & Byron last night.
Today I went back and watched and listened to the ESPN guys. Despite some people’s criticisms, I thought that Fran Frischilla was excellent in all respects and he wasn’t afraid to render his honest thoughts. He made it pretty clear what most of us have thought about Xavier’s talent was his thoughts as well. He also made it pretty clear where the responsibility lay for the underperformance without directly calling out anybody by name.
He really called out the Milquetoasts and lack of hard noses.
Sean will definitely correct that.

Agree - but why beat around the bush? If he had issues with how Steele ran the show, just say it. Isn't that your job as a broadcaster.

Made him look bad by refusing to call out Steele yet harping on the innuendo every 10 seconds. Man up and say what you want to say Fran.

Masterofreality
03-30-2022, 05:20 PM
Agree - but why beat around the bush? If he had issues with how Steele ran the show, just say it. Isn't that your job as a broadcaster.

Made him look bad by refusing to call out Steele yet harping on the innuendo every 10 seconds. Man up and say what you want to say Fran.

I just think there is a code among coaches, but everybody could decode what he was saying

xu82
03-30-2022, 06:18 PM
I just think there is a code among coaches, but everybody could decode what he was saying

I agree, I thought is was pretty clear. He was praising the improvement under Jonas and saying how the guys had better be ready because Miller will accept nothing less than 100%.

FWIW, I thought he said enough without making it personal or any unnecessary piling on.

bobbiemcgee
03-30-2022, 08:32 PM
I like that Jonas calls time when the other team goes on mini run to setup a play. Didn't see that with the tinman.

xavierj
03-30-2022, 10:00 PM
I listened to Joe & Byron last night.
Today I went back and watched and listened to the ESPN guys. Despite some people’s criticisms, I thought that Fran Frischilla was excellent in all respects and he wasn’t afraid to render his honest thoughts. He made it pretty clear what most of us have thought about Xavier’s talent was his thoughts as well. He also made it pretty clear where the responsibility lay for the underperformance without directly calling out anybody by name.
He really called out the Milquetoasts and lack of hard noses.
Sean will definitely correct that.

You have low standards If you think Fran was good. He was terrible. One he said the same things over and over for 40 minutes, maybe limiting those same comments to two or three times would have gotten the same point across. He wasn’t prepared. Didn’t know much about the Bonnie’s and their fans thought he was awful too. Said Xavier played bad if they didn’t have the lead, which they pretty much played from behind all year. Said Xavier had the best talent in the league like 5 times lol. Criticized Zach like Zach had been banging his wife and then when the Bonnie’s did the same thing as Zach, it was just how they played.

If I was his boss there would be a ton of criticism coming his way. I am really not sure of any value he brought to the broadcast. Xavier played well, and Jonas and the assistants coached a good game but the focus was way too much on a bunch of BS. It’s a basketball game, act like it.

IM4X
03-30-2022, 11:46 PM
I suspect Miller will tells all the current fellas on the roster he wants them to stay and that they have a spot on the X roster next year, but the bar will be raised and each player has to prove they deserve their scholarship. I think he’ll let them know that next season they are expected to play hard all the time, be selfless, taking high percentage shots, dribble without losing the ball over, make every easy bunny, be a good passer, show great off-ball movement every second on the court. If a player struggles to meet the expectations, he just won’t get much playing time and may even be in jeopardy of losing his scholarship.

Nunge, Colby and Dwon are always playing hard and they play really well together. They have great chemistry. For that reason, I see them as a priority for this team. Kunkel is someone who has proven he can play at a very high level and give the team a huge spark. He also can be the person who makes really bad decisions that often get the team into trouble in the first place. If he can keep the confidence while reeling back some of the reckless and bad decisions, he will be a HUGE asset instead of a borderline liability.

Speaking of liability, I would imagine Sean would be very straight forward with Hunter. “There is something mentally going on with you. You lose the ball way too easily, you struggle to catch passes in the paint and you consistently miss more bunnies than most miss from 3 and that simply can not continue.” Hunter seems like a nice guy, but maybe we are seeing exactly what Archie saw when he was at Indians. X can not have players being this much of a liability (particularly on offense) where opponents sometimes go on 7-10 point runs when he is inserted into the game. The standard needs to be the standard at X and he is not meeting the standard. He has to improve dramatically or ride the pine.

I think Free has really transformed over the past handful of games. I’ve said it before: When Zach is focused and in his zone, he is a huge asset to the team. If I were Sean, I would tell Free he really wants him to come back, but he needs him to be the Zach we all have been witnessing on the court during the end of this season. He has been focused, played harder, played smarter, took better shots and started meshing well in lineups. I think he now gets that he still needs to earn it every day on the court even though he is a pre-season All-BE player. He has my full support and I really hope I hope Zack comes back.

Edward’s and Miles both need a good bit of development to be at the level we need from our bigs. I don’t know how vertical Edward’s can get. I don’t know how much upside Miles has as a scorer. The expectations for both need to be higher than what we are now getting out of them.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Kyky. He certainly has the tools to be a a big contributor on offense, but does he have a higher ceiling when it comes to defending?

I really hope we see Tucker next season. I’d love to see what he can do. Stanley showed promise when he first got here, but ever since his injury, he looks a little less nimble. Can he play at the level we saw him play during his first year at X?

Scruggs and Johnson are gone so next season doesn’t apply to them. Both looked phenomenal during games and then not so great in other games. I feel like a huge part of there struggles are due to choices Steele made (his poor lack of ball movement and effective plays, Scruggs playing too much at the 1). It felt like it was not a completely natural fit for Paul to play the 1. I’ve gotta believe that Sean would have put them both in much better positions to succeed more consistently.

Jumpin_Jamal_Forever
03-31-2022, 06:32 AM
I suspect Miller will tells all the current fellas on the roster he wants them to stay and that they have a spot on the X roster next year, but the bar will be raised and each player has to prove they deserve their scholarship. I think he’ll let them know that next season they are expected to play hard all the time, be selfless, taking high percentage shots, dribble without losing the ball over, make every easy bunny, be a good passer, show great off-ball movement every second on the court. If a player struggles to meet the expectations, he just won’t get much playing time and may even be in jeopardy of losing his scholarship.

Nunge, Colby and Dwon are always playing hard and they play really well together. They have great chemistry. For that reason, I see them as a priority for this team. Kunkel is someone who has proven he can play at a very high level and give the team a huge spark. He also can be the person who makes really bad decisions that often get the team into trouble in the first place. If he can keep the confidence while reeling back some of the reckless and bad decisions, he will be a HUGE asset instead of a borderline liability.

Speaking of liability, I would imagine Sean would be very straight forward with Hunter. “There is something mentally going on with you. You lose the ball way too easily, you struggle to catch passes in the paint and you consistently miss more bunnies than most miss from 3 and that simply can not continue.” Hunter seems like a nice guy, but maybe we are seeing exactly what Archie saw when he was at Indians. X can not have players being this much of a liability (particularly on offense) where opponents sometimes go on 7-10 point runs when he is inserted into the game. The standard needs to be the standard at X and he is not meeting the standard. He has to improve dramatically or ride the pine.

I think Free has really transformed over the past handful of games. I’ve said it before: When Zach is focused and in his zone, he is a huge asset to the team. If I were Sean, I would tell Free he really wants him to come back, but he needs him to be the Zach we all have been witnessing on the court during the end of this season. He has been focused, played harder, played smarter, took better shots and started meshing well in lineups. I think he now gets that he still needs to earn it every day on the court even though he is a pre-season All-BE player. He has my full support and I really hope I hope Zack comes back.

Edward’s and Miles both need a good bit of development to be at the level we need from our Bigs. I don’t know how vertical Edward’s can get. I don’t know how much upside Miles has as a scorer. The expectations for both need to be higher than what we are now getting out of them.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Ky Ky. He certainly has the tools to be a a big contributor on offense, but does he have a higher ceiling when it comes to defending?

I really hope we see Tucker next season. I’d love to see what he can do. Stanley showed promise when he first got here, but ever since his injury, he looks a little less nimble. Can he play at the level we saw him play during his first year at X?

Scruggs and Johnson are gone so next season doesn’t apply to them. Both looked phenomenal during games and then not so great in other games. I feel like a huge part of there struggles are due to choices Steele made (his poor lack of ball movement and effective plays, Scruggs playing too much at the 1). It felt like it was not a completely natural fit for Paul to play the 1. I’ve gotta believe that Sean would have put them both in much better positions to succeed more consistently.

Will be very interesting to watch what happens beginning tomorrow. Much, as has been stated here by others, rides on Jonas. If he leaves, we could lose the players he recruited. Hope not and there are lots of reasons for them to stay. But, these are young men and they can be unpredictable. Where, this season, was the Free we've seen the last few games? He has been awesome. Hope he sticks around but, given everything that's happened, I just have the feeling he's leaving.

Hunter is such an enigma to me. A highly sought-after recruit coming out of high school, he just hasn't been the player many expected. Yet, he has some of the skills---he's tall, athletic, can handle the ball, shoot free throws. I think he could be a defensive stopper if he focused. He hasn't been a reliable shooter and his decision making, as we've all seen, has been questionable, at best. Maybe he just needs a new start with Miller and some work with the staff to regain his confidence. Some of our players have had an amazing transformation under Hayes---that gives me reason to believe there is hope for Hunter, if under new management.

Agree with you about Miles and Edwards. Appears, to me, of the two, Edwards has a bit more upside but he's a long, long way from deserving significant minutes. Miller isn't going to want to keep two Bigs on the roster next year who don't play game minutes. So, if I had to guess, I think both move on.

Stanley appears mentally ready to get on with his life after basketball and Ky Ky, at least for the moment, gets a new start under Miller. It is going to be a fascinating off-season.

UCGRAD4X
03-31-2022, 08:11 AM
A lot of variables in play here. Many we don't know about because of Tin Man's odd patterns, favoritism and lack of player development.

If Miller sees some skills in any of these players that he thinks he can develop and add to his vision for the team...he's really recruiting them all over again.

My guess is, Edwards has the upper hand because of his youth and confidence. It takes so much longer to develop the 'bigs', Miles is past his sell-by date.

XUGRAD80
03-31-2022, 09:06 AM
A lot of variables in play here. Many we don't know about because of Tin Man's odd patterns, favoritism and lack of player development.

If Miller sees some skills in any of these players that he thinks he can develop and add to his vision for the team...he's really recruiting them all over again.

My guess is, Edwards has the upper hand because of his youth and confidence. It takes so much longer to develop the 'bigs', Miles is past his sell-by date.

Not so sure on Miles. Love sent him a message a short time ago and talked about his personal history and how he was a big contributor his senior year. Basically telling Miles to trust the journey to be patient. There are no known bigs in the pipeline at this time, so there is certainly room on the roster for both Edwards and Miles to remain. What happens with others is certainly going to depend on what happens with the recruits, especially with Ward I think. I would think that Miller has a sincere desire to be dancing next year, but he’s also probably aware that there is a grace period for any new coach and that he will be given time to develop his roster. So there less pressure to be successful next year than a returning coach would have had. Who stays and who leaves might ultimately depend on what Miller sees as their potential, not necessarily their current abilities. From everything I’ve read that he has said, Miller seems to want to recruit to a style and an attitude more than he wants to recruit to any recruiting rankings. Passion for the sport would seem to be a big part of what he wants in any recruit.

blueblood
03-31-2022, 09:52 AM
Said Xavier played bad if they didn’t have the lead, which they pretty much played from behind all year. Said Xavier had the best talent in the league like 5 times lol. Criticized Zach like Zach had been banging his wife and then when the Bonnie’s did the same thing as Zach, it was just how they played.

Don't forget the gem of all gems: "Freemantle is known for his defensive energy."

Xer4ever
03-31-2022, 10:22 AM
Pretty sure both Miles and Edwards have 3 years of eligibility remaining.

IM4X
03-31-2022, 12:11 PM
Will be very interesting to watch what happens beginning tomorrow. Much, as has been stated here by others, rides on Jonas. If he leaves, we could lose the players he recruited. Hope not and there are lots of reasons for them to stay. But, these are young men and they can be unpredictable. Where, this season, was the Free we've seen the last few games? He has been awesome. Hope he sticks around but, given everything that's happened, I just have the feeling he's leaving.

Hunter is such an enigma to me. A highly sought-after recruit coming out of high school, he just hasn't been the player many expected. Yet, he has some of the skills---he's tall, athletic, can handle the ball, shoot free throws. I think he could be a defensive stopper if he focused. He hasn't been a reliable shooter and his decision making, as we've all seen, has been questionable, at best. Maybe he just needs a new start with Miller and some work with the staff to regain his confidence. Some of our players have had an amazing transformation under Hayes---that gives me reason to believe there is hope for Hunter, if under new management.

Agree with you about Miles and Edwards. Appears, to me, of the two, Edwards has a bit more upside but he's a long, long way from deserving significant minutes. Miller isn't going to want to keep two Bigs on the roster next year who don't play game minutes. So, if I had to guess, I think both move on.

Stanley appears mentally ready to get on with his life after basketball and Ky Ky, at least for the moment, gets a new start under Miller. It is going to be a fascinating off-season.

Of course we won’t know until we know, but one would think many of these X players would want to stick together as they are really starting to develop some great chemistry.

UCGRAD4X
03-31-2022, 05:31 PM
Pretty sure both Miles and Edwards have 3 years of eligibility remaining.

Seems like Miles has been here forever.