Transfer Portal 2022

[MHettel]

Hunter is an interesting case for me.

He went to IU as a top 50 recruit.

He never really became a starter, but did seem to play 6th-7th man minutes.

IU was NOT good his last year there.

Hunter obviously transferred after his Soph Season.

The interesting part is that he played for Miller's brother Archie. If Hunter did not like Archie, it would stand to reason that he would be less open to playing for Sean. If Archie did not like Hunter, it would stand to reason that Sean would be seeking his input about what type of player he was or if he had any issues, etc.

So the fact that he was welcomed to stay, and did in fact stay I guess tells me something. I think if we can get Hunter to use his length and commit to defense he could be pretty good. No more ball-handling, and no more contested 3's. Also, no more stick back dunk attempts! THEY NEVER WORK. Just get the rebound!

[Xuperman]

If it was 1996, I would say this pickup is “The Boum”

But it’s not 1996, so I won’t say it

I owned a comic book shop in Clifton during the 90's. The youngsters were using "BOOM" A lot. However, the way you phrased it was late 70-80's. " This pick up is THE BOMB". I GUESS it's possible he pronounces it BOMB.

[Murph85]

Miller's teams at X:

04-05: 8-9 deep
05-06: 9 deep
06-07: 8-9 deep
07-08: 8 deep
08-09: 9 deep

Not sure about his teams at Arizona. So I think we can say 8 comfortably and if the roster/players warrant it, going as far as a 9 man rotation.

So the bench includes Miles-Hunter-KyKy-Tucker KyKy with a chance to play if he can defend and stay within the offense.

[xukeith]

Yeah, I mean I think it is fairly safe to assume about 8 guys will get the bulk of the mins, or be in the rotation regularly.

5 seem like a lock:

Boum
Kunkel
Jones
Free
Nunge

That leaves:

Hunter
Craft
Claude
KyKy
Edwards
Tucker
Miles

4 of those 7 bench guys aren't going to see much, if any, time in the meat of the season. Either Miles or Edwards is going to have to get minutes down low. So that really leaves 2 spots between Hunter, Kyky, Claude, Craft, Tucker. I think Tucker is probably not going to see mins.

This is assuming we are done grabbing players from the portal as well.

I am hoping Craft surprises us and gains minutes and a starting position by mid January. Claude i hope can be ok playing 10-15 minutes as aback up pg. I imagine Edwards and Miles splitting time during non confrence and maybe one big supports giving Zach and Jack a rest.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Hunter is an interesting case for me.

He went to IU as a top 50 recruit.

He never really became a starter, but did seem to play 6th-7th man minutes.

IU was NOT good his last year there.

Hunter obviously transferred after his Soph Season.

The interesting part is that he played for Miller's brother Archie. If Hunter did not like Archie, it would stand to reason that he would be less open to playing for Sean. If Archie did not like Hunter, it would stand to reason that Sean would be seeking his input about what type of player he was or if he had any issues, etc.

So the fact that he was welcomed to stay, and did in fact stay I guess tells me something. I think if we can get Hunter to use his length and commit to defense he could be pretty good. No more ball-handling, and no more contested 3's. Also, no more stick back dunk attempts! THEY NEVER WORK. Just get the rebound!

Woodson is on record indicating that after meeting with Hunter when Woodson was hired, he (Woodson) determined there was not good chemistry between them and he "invited" Hunter to transfer. To me, that implies whatever relationship Hunter had with Archie was likely O.K. I too think Hunter has defensive potential. He's long and athletic but his best and highest use is clearly not launching three balls. Championship caliber teams need a defensive stopper and we did not have one last year although Colby came close. So, there is an important role for Hunter to play if he chooses it.

[muskiefan82]

Yes it’s pronounced “boom”, so not a bad idea. First is the challenge because it’s Sue lay.

Okay....I am imagining the crowd shouting "Souley!" when a 3 goes up and a rousing "BOOM!" when it goes in. I can almost see it and hear it in my head and I think I like it.

[xudash]

Okay....I am imagining the crowd shouting "Souley!" when a 3 goes up and a rousing "BOOM!" when it goes in. I can almost see it and hear it in my head and I think I like it.

Nice. Someone get a memo to the student section to get it going.

[HomerCecil]

If anyone wants to follow Souley on Twitter, his handle is @BucketsForSale_

[D-West & PO-Z]

So the bench includes Miles-Hunter-KyKy-Tucker KyKy with a chance to play if he can defend and stay within the offense.

That would mean Edwards, Craft, and Claude were all out.

If we only play 4 bench players my guess would be:

Hunter
Edwards
Craft
KyKy OR Claude

Miles, Tucker, and either Kyky or Claude not getting time.

[GoMuskies]

You have to assume someone is getting hurt, too. Just because someone always gets hurt.

[Xville]

I think estimating any kind of minute breakdown is a bit presumptuous since Steele had zero clue how to manage a roster/lineup and miller actually does. Miller is also a much better evaluator of actual talent.

I wouldn’t be slotting kunkel in for a majority of minutes just because Steele did, nor would I assume Edwards is going to get limited time just because that’s the way Steele used him. Just saying

[xukeith]

That would mean Edwards, Craft, and Claude were all out.

If we only play 4 bench players my guess would be:

Hunter
Edwards
Craft
KyKy OR Claude

Miles, Tucker, and either Kyky or Claude not getting time.

Claude is the only "true" pg. If he learns the system and contributes, X has to give Boum a little break(5-10 minutes agame) Certain games, X might have Jones handle the ball

During noncon., I see Craft, Claude, Hunter and Edwards getting most bench minutes (assuming another post player via transfer portal isn't coming). If X gets a post player from portal, I see him, and Edwards seeing 5-8 minutes during BE play. February will show Miller's 8 man rotation .
I don't see Tandy getting pt.

[D-West & PO-Z]

You have to assume someone is getting hurt, too. Just because someone always gets hurt.

Ha, good point.

[Olsingledigit]

Claude is the only "true" pg. If he learns the system and contributes, X has to give Boum a little break(5-10 minutes agame) Certain games, X might have Jones handle the ball

During noncon., I see Craft, Claude, Hunter and Edwards getting most bench minutes (assuming another post player via transfer portal isn't coming). If X gets a post player from portal, I see him, and Edwards seeing 5-8 minutes during BE play. February will show Miller's 8 man rotation .
I don't see Tandy getting pt.

What about the other sophomore/freshman who redshirted last year?

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think estimating any kind of minute breakdown is a bit presumptuous since Steele had zero clue how to manage a roster/lineup and miller actually does. Miller is also a much better evaluator of actual talent.

I wouldn’t be slotting kunkel in for a majority of minutes just because Steele did, nor would I assume Edwards is going to get limited time just because that’s the way Steele used him. Just saying

Fair point. I have no idea who will start outside of Jones, Nunge, and probably Freemantle.

I have a hard time though not seeing Boum and Kunkel with significant mins. Unless Craft and Claude are just out of this world freshman.

Kyky is a wild card depending how he heals from injury and what Miller can get out of him.

Glad it is Miller figuring all this out now though.

I'm also not sure we are done in the portal, so who knows.

[MHettel]

What the book on Boum?

He doesnt seem like a PG to me at all. He played alot of minutes and has never averaged over 2.9 Assists a game.

He's had more than 2X as many made baskets as assists in his career. He seems like a bucket getter, not a guy that is looking to set up his teammates first.

Wondering if we might see Kunkle handle for PG duties. I'm hopeful for Claude, but you cant COUNT on him. Not many other options right now unless there is another Portal guy coming, or we somehow land an unsigned freshman (which I would consider to be LESS likely to be ready than Claude).

[whopper]

Kunkel is a servicable point guard, more than many think and really a better athlete than many think. Do Zach, Miles, and Tandy have TWO years left (Covid year?). If so if this is Nunge, Boum, Kunkel senior year there will be plenty of opportunity to KyKy, Miles and others 2022-2023(hard to write that number). Boum is not a true point but i almost wonder if that position even exists anymore; seems like he can score and if people key on him can distribute.

[D-West & PO-Z]

What the book on Boum?

He doesnt seem like a PG to me at all. He played alot of minutes and has never averaged over 2.9 Assists a game.

He's had more than 2X as many made baskets as assists in his career. He seems like a bucket getter, not a guy that is looking to set up his teammates first.

Wondering if we might see Kunkle handle for PG duties. I'm hopeful for Claude, but you cant COUNT on him. Not many other options right now unless there is another Portal guy coming, or we somehow land an unsigned freshman (which I would consider to be LESS likely to be ready than Claude).

Miller must think one of Boum, Kunkle, Jones, KyKy, or Claude can handle full time PG duties with one or multiple others backing it up. Unless he has another guard up his sleeve from the portal but that would seem to be getting heavy on guards.

Will be interesting to see.

[SemajParlor]

I wouldn’t be slotting kunkel in for a majority of minutes just because Steele did, nor would I assume Edwards is going to get limited time just because that’s the way Steele used him. Just saying


One of the things that makes next season so exciting. I'm interested to see how our guys are used. That includes Hunter, who like some others have said, I think can definitely provide some nice value if he's used correctly.

[xu82]

One of the things that makes next season so exciting. I'm interested to see how our guys are used. That includes Hunter, who like some others have said, I think can definitely provide some nice value if he's used correctly.

Even with “just Jonas” and no Miller, we looked like a TOTALLY different team in the NIT. It was hard to believe that was the same collection of players. That is indeed exciting, even if it takes some time to fill some gaps in the lineup.

Hunter can be a great “glue guy”, he just isn’t your sharpshooter. Play to your strengths!

[MHettel]

Even with “just Jonas” and no Miller, we looked like a TOTALLY different team in the NIT. It was hard to believe that was the same collection of players. That is indeed exciting, even if it takes some time to fill some gaps in the lineup.

Hunter can be a great “glue guy”, he just isn’t your sharpshooter. Play to your strengths!

Hate to point out the obvious, but Scruggs wasnt playing either.....

....maybe it was coaching, or maybe it was just the mix of guys. But yes, I agree that what I saw was much improved

[xu82]

Hate to point out the obvious, but Scruggs wasnt playing either.....

....maybe it was coaching, or maybe it was just the mix of guys. But yes, I agree that what I saw was much improved

Good point. I’m sure it was a combination of many things, and it resulted in much better basketball.

[Smooth]

If it was 1996, I would say this pickup is “The Boum”

But it’s not 1996, so I won’t say it

If this was 2005 I would say X will be the "Boub and Boum Show." I had such high hopes for Boubacar Coly who is a manager at a Charlotte, NC Trader Joe's according to LinkedIn.

[Masterofreality]

If this was 2005 I would say X will be the "Boub and Boum Show." I had such high hopes for Boubacar Coly who is a manager at a Charlotte, NC Trader Joe's according to LinkedIn.

And Matta picked him over,errrrrr, Kyle Lowry!!!! YEESH!

[XUBob]

I think it was Churchill Odia over Lowery, a mistake either way.

[xavierj]

And Matta picked him over,errrrrr, Kyle Lowry!!!! YEESH!

You are thinking of Churchill Odia. Miller wanted Lowry but Matta pushed for a commitment before he could visit and ended up taking Odia when Lowry wanted to visit first. By all accounts Lowry wanted to leave Philly. Huge mistake.

[MHettel]

Remember when we had Odia locked up with a verbal commitment and he had Visa issues? Rick Pitino tried to move in on us and told Odia that he would use his connections to get the Visa issue cleaned up. Rick wasn’t looking for any type of quid pro quo on that deal, he just wanted to help the kid.

When Odia DIDNT rescind his verbal to XU and commit instead to UofL, Pitino disappeared and didn’t lift a finger on his behalf.

Oh well, Odia sucked anyway and Pitino is still a scumbag

[IM4X]

One of the things that makes next season so exciting. I'm interested to see how our guys are used. That includes Hunter, who like some others have said, I think can definitely provide some nice value if he's used correctly.

It isn’t just about him attempting 75% less from three. Let’s keep this real fellas- the man struggles to make a simple,
point blank, uncontested layup. Right now he either dunks the ball (been very successful with that shot) or he is a complete liability when shooting on offense.

Either it is a issue with confidence/nerves that the coaches can try to help fix or it’s a more serious situation where coach Miller will need to say “Let’s just focus on getting you to shoot and make simply layups. There is absolutely no reason you should have missed as many open bunnies as you did this past season. When we get you to the point where you are consistently making those basic shots, we can move on to your three point shooting.”

[UCGRAD4X]

Kunkel is a servicable point guard, more than many think and really a better athlete than many think. Do Zach, Miles, and Tandy have TWO years left (Covid year?). If so if this is Nunge, Boum, Kunkel senior year there will be plenty of opportunity to KyKy, Miles and others 2022-2023(hard to write that number). Boum is not a true point but i almost wonder if that position even exists anymore; seems like he can score and if people key on him can distribute.

You might be right, but that won't keep us from excusing such as Scruggs who wasn't really a PG.

[sirthought]

If this was 2005 I would say X will be the "Boub and Boum Show." I had such high hopes for Boubacar Coly who is a manager at a Charlotte, NC Trader Joe's according to LinkedIn.

This is pretty low. Most NCAA athletes don't end up playing professionally.

[sirthought]

As much as some want to think the traditional PG doesn't matter, when you have someone who can do it, it makes all the difference.

I personally thought Jones did a great job creating plays and distributing to others. If they call it a point forward, that's okay. But the player has to be active in getting the team involved. Not just trying their best to beat their man and only passes when they need to be bailed out.

Scruggs certainly seemed to have potential for that role, but he never fully developed into a natural distributor. I wondered if that was his confidence in others' shooting. But again...during the NIT it didn't seem like the team struggled to find guys who could score. One key component in that was much more active ball movement.

[GIMMFD]

As much as some want to think the traditional PG doesn't matter, when you have someone who can do it, it makes all the difference.

I personally thought Jones did a great job creating plays and distributing to others. If they call it a point forward, that's okay. But the player has to be active in getting the team involved. Not just trying their best to beat their man and only passes when they need to be bailed out.

Scruggs certainly seemed to have potential for that role, but he never fully developed into a natural distributor. I wondered if that was his confidence in others' shooting. But again...during the NIT it didn't seem like the team struggled to find guys who could score. One key component in that was much more active ball movement.

I mean it's nice when you have it, but when you're left with questions, I'm fine with where it doesn't necessarily have to be a "true PG", especially with the way basketball has evolved to the modern game where there are 7'0 dudes that have playmaking capabilities. I do also agree that Colby showed a lot of poise and flashes of filling in that role nicely, he's just got a really smooth game to him and hopefully Miller's offense lets him thrive some more. Not sure what role Boum will fill, but we know that he can get buckets, I think it's a great addition regardless, don't think we necessarily need him to be the "true PG" as long as someone has the ability to facilitate the offense.

[D-West & PO-Z]

So Creighton got a big time portal transfer. Don't know much about him but apparently he was a big get. I heard from one source that (and a quote from the kid himself) that NIL played a role but fit for his pro prospects was much more important to him. That if he was going to come back to school that it needed to be the right fit and style of play to improve his pro prospects. Creighton is similar to where he came from but at a higher level to show he can do it against legit competition.

However, then I heard Matt Jones on the radio (the KY Sports Radio guy), who implied that NIL was the reason the kid chose Creighton and that prior to NIL Creighton would have had no shot and the kid would have ended up at a blue blood. That the NIL helped Creighton compete against blue blood schools.

I honestly don't know enough to know which it was. I have not seen anything about what his NIL deal was by going to Creighton.

Anyone know any more details??

[IM4X]

I would still love to see X land a very physical power forward. One who can’t shoot a lick from outside, but is a complete monster inside.

[Xuperman]

I would still love to see X land a very physical power forward. One who can’t shoot a lick from outside, but is a complete monster inside.

Who you got in mind? Nothing of quality left, unless Miller can snag an International guy somehow.

[MHettel]

So Creighton got a big time portal transfer. Don't know much about him but apparently he was a big get. I heard from one source that (and a quote from the kid himself) that NIL played a role but fit for his pro prospects was much more important to him. That if he was going to come back to school that it needed to be the right fit and style of play to improve his pro prospects. Creighton is similar to where he came from but at a higher level to show he can do it against legit competition.

However, then I heard Matt Jones on the radio (the KY Sports Radio guy), who implied that NIL was the reason the kid chose Creighton and that prior to NIL Creighton would have had no shot and the kid would have ended up at a blue blood. That the NIL helped Creighton compete against blue blood schools.

I honestly don't know enough to know which it was. I have not seen anything about what his NIL deal was by going to Creighton.

Anyone know any more details??

He’s from Nebraska. Local advertising would be a gold mine.

Do you need more info?

[GoMuskies]

SI has Creighton preseason #1 now.

[IM4X]

Who you got in mind? Nothing of quality left, unless Miller can snag an International guy somehow.

I’d be okay with a international player. I honestly don’t have a specific guy in mind at this point. There were a few bigs in the portal that looked like intriguing options at one point. These two also look like possible good fits at first glance.


Keion Brooks Jr., KentuckyBrooks is a throwback power forward, more known for his physicality than ability to space the floor. He was a productive starter for a top-10 team this past season, playing off Oscar Tshiebwe and averaging double-figure scoring for the second season in a row. Brooks probably isn’t a guy you want to build your team around, but anyone in need of a plug-and-play starter at the power forward position would be wise to get involved here.


Efe Abogid, Washington StateThe 6’10” big man didn’t have the breakout sophomore season some were projecting in Pullman, but Abogidi still presents a high-upside option for teams looking for a talent injection in their frontcourt. He has been a key cog for two seasons in the Pac-12, and really grew as a shot blocker this season, posting close to a 10% block rate. Plus, the Nigerian big man has impressive shooting touch, making 80% of his free throws over his two years at Wazzu and flashing the occasional ability to hit from deep.

[Xville]

Sounds like Louisville is close to getting emoni and tyrese after already getting Hatfield. Just had to get rid of mack to get back to being able to recruit

[paulxu]

Somehow it's possible this might make matters even worse:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33858420/sec-pac-12-commissioners-visit-washington-pursuit-help-nil-policies-source-says

[murray87]

Somehow it's possible this might make matters even worse:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33858420/sec-pac-12-commissioners-visit-washington-pursuit-help-nil-policies-source-says

This would turn into a complete cluster foxtrot:

"The goal is to discuss a few of the issues facing college athletics with influential senators," Kliavkoff said. "I think it's more likely that we eventually get federal legislation on name, image and likeness, but we're also interested in discussing all of the harm that will come to student-athletes if they are deemed to be employees."

[UCGRAD4X]

This would turn into a complete cluster foxtrot:

"The goal is to discuss a few of the issues facing college athletics with influential senators," Kliavkoff said. "I think it's more likely that we eventually get federal legislation on name, image and likeness, but we're also interested in discussing all of the harm that will come to student-athletes if they are deemed to be employees."

Really? Getting congress involved? What could possibly go wrong?

[D-West & PO-Z]

He’s from Nebraska. Local advertising would be a gold mine.

Do you need more info?

So NIL helped Creighton get a guy who otherwise would have gone to a blue blood? Nice!

[D-West & PO-Z]

SI has Creighton preseason #1 now.

Yes, I have seen them top 5 in pretty much every pre season ranking.

[JTG]

I would still love to see X land a very physical power forward. One who can’t shoot a lick from outside, but is a complete monster inside.

me too. Seems like all we look at are guards. maybe an Intl guy. Purdue keeps finding foreign monsters every couple years.

[JTG]

So NIL helped Creighton get a guy who otherwise would have gone to a blue blood? Nice!

Some rich guy from John Deere or some Feed mill ponied up ?

[Xuperman]

SI has Creighton preseason #1 now.

And X got the sweep last year with Steele at the helm. What does this say about our potential?

They lost 2 starters. We lost 2 starters. They get the Summit League POY. We get the C-USA POY, which is a far better conference.

Looks like a push to me.

[94GRAD]

Some rich guy from John Deere or some Feed mill ponied up ?

Doesn't Omaha have the most millionaire per capita because of Berkshire Hathaway?

[X-man]

Some rich guy from John Deere or some Feed mill ponied up ?

Warren Buffett lives in Omaha, I believe.

[Drew]

This would turn into a complete cluster foxtrot:

"The goal is to discuss a few of the issues facing college athletics with influential senators," Kliavkoff said. "I think it's more likely that we eventually get federal legislation on name, image and likeness, but we're also interested in discussing all of the harm that will come to student-athletes if they are deemed to be employees."

"You see, if they become employees that means less money for us to lobby you."

[muskiefan82]

If players become employees, does that mean they would go through workers' compensation if they are injured while playing their sport? As employees, would the universities be able to work the players year round instead of just during certain periods of time?

[Olsingledigit]

If players become employees, does that mean they would go through workers' compensation if they are injured while playing their sport? As employees, would the universities be able to work the players year round instead of just during certain periods of time?

If they are employees they could unionize. Just saying’

[Xuperman]

I’d be okay with a international player. I honestly don’t have a specific guy in mind at this point. There were a few bigs in the portal that looked like intriguing options at one point. These two also look like possible good fits at first glance.


Keion Brooks Jr., KentuckyBrooks is a throwback power forward, more known for his physicality than ability to space the floor. He was a productive starter for a top-10 team this past season, playing off Oscar Tshiebwe and averaging double-figure scoring for the second season in a row. Brooks probably isn’t a guy you want to build your team around, but anyone in need of a plug-and-play starter at the power forward position would be wise to get involved here.


Efe Abogid, Washington StateThe 6’10” big man didn’t have the breakout sophomore season some were projecting in Pullman, but Abogidi still presents a high-upside option for teams looking for a talent injection in their frontcourt. He has been a key cog for two seasons in the Pac-12, and really grew as a shot blocker this season, posting close to a 10% block rate. Plus, the Nigerian big man has impressive shooting touch, making 80% of his free throws over his two years at Wazzu and flashing the occasional ability to hit from deep.

Well yeah,
I know of no connection to Keion Brooks, whether that be with X or Miller and X hasn't contacted him. However, if somehow we can land him, Xavier wins the BEast IMO.

[paulxu]

More palace intrigue:

https://www.on3.com/nil/news/college-leaders-proposing-retroactive-nil-punishments-calling-ncaa-enforce-new-rules-or-else-recruiting-violations-guidelines/

[drudy23]

More palace intrigue:

https://www.on3.com/nil/news/college-leaders-proposing-retroactive-nil-punishments-calling-ncaa-enforce-new-rules-or-else-recruiting-violations-guidelines/

The prediction of the NIL becoming corrupt is as easy as predicting the Cincy street car would fail.

Put this in the DUH category.

[A Fan]

The prediction of the NIL becoming corrupt is as easy as predicting the Cincy street car would fail.

Put this in the DUH category.


Everyone is in denial. They say the system is corrupted by Boosters lining up NIL deals before the athlete has enrolled in the Booster’s school. The “ corruption “ allegedly occurs because the NCAA currently does not “ allow” that practice. But the NCAA has no power to stop that practice and if it tried it would be illegal. Amateurism is Done. The NCAA is an artifact. The only rules that might ever systematically apply will be federally legislated and they will be minimal, if any. Annually, players will be entering the Portal….shopping for the best deal….and then enrolling in the Booster’s school. Conferences will discuss not allowing players to transfer intra conference as , for example, a Georgetown alum stealing a Colin Gillespie from Villanova . But that won’t work. Everything is up for grabs. Jay Wright gets it. And he got out with his dignity and integrity intact.

[xu82]

Everyone is in denial. They say the system is corrupted by Boosters lining up NIL deals before the athlete has enrolled in the Booster’s school. The “ corruption “ allegedly occurs because the NCAA currently does not “ allow” that practice. But the NCAA has no power to stop that practice and if it tried it would be illegal. Amateurism is Done. The NCAA is an artifact. The only rules that might ever systematically apply will be federally legislated and they will be minimal, if any. Annually, players will be entering the Portal….shopping for the best deal….and then enrolling in the Booster’s school. Conferences will discuss not allowing players to transfer intra conference as , for example, a Georgetown alum stealing a Colin Gillespie from Villanova . But that won’t work. Everything is up for grabs. Jay Wright gets it. And he got out with his dignity and integrity intact.

He’s no dummy! He can go do TV or something if he gets bored (I think he’d be exceptional on TV). He is blessed to have the ability to walk away at this time in college sports. I don’t see how they put the toothpaste back in the tube here. I know they’ve been getting paid forever, but we will see a new level of shadiness and I see no way to control it.

[xukeith]

He’s no dummy! He can go do TV or something if he gets bored (I think he’d be exceptional on TV). He is blessed to have the ability to walk away at this time in college sports. I don’t see how they put the toothpaste back in the tube here. I know they’ve been getting paid forever, but we will see a new level of shadiness and I see no way to control it.

This NIL thread has been beaten like a horse. i am bored with the "analysis" of how great or horrible it is.

[XUBison]

This NIL thread has been beaten like a horse. i am bored with the "analysis" of how great or horrible it is.

Well, you are sure welcome to hang out in all those other threads with no new posts.

[xu82]

Well, you are sure welcome to hang out in all those other threads with no new posts.

I think that’s more polite than the reply I posted, then deleted. We are in a basketball desert. Much like the NFL right now. We need things to start happening!




Nobody was obliged to read that post.*


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[IM4X]

He’s no dummy! He can go do TV or something if he gets bored (I think he’d be exceptional on TV). He is blessed to have the ability to walk away at this time in college sports. I don’t see how they put the toothpaste back in the tube here. I know they’ve been getting paid forever, but we will see a new level of shadiness and I see no way to control it.

Yes.

In fact, there seems to be a new level of shadiness almost everywhere these days, where the good guys who might be able to help stop this craziness are either dying off or walking away.

It isn’t that players shouldn’t have an opportunity to get something more, it’s just that the way things are being handled is very slippery with a wide open door for sliminess and corruption. It like we are seeing college sports move into the Wild West without a Marshall.

What I fear more is that we are living in a world where honesty, integrity, compassion, kindness, class, reasonableness are all taking a back seat to greed, entitlement, meanness, trickery, hypercritical comments and a “me first” attitude. We’re becoming a world where people rarely listen with an open mind. Where many think they know it all instead of being honest enough to admit that they don’t. We badly need more good and fair individuals with some power and backbone to step up and push for us to work together to come up with solutions that are fair and reasonable for all and that lead to a better future - not just for us but for our kids.

That all I’ve got. Have a pleasant weekend all.

[Xavier]

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What I fear more is that we are living in a world where honesty, integrity, compassion, kindness, class, reasonableness are all taking a back seat to greed, entitlement, meanness, trickery, hypercritical comments and a “me first” attitude. We’re becoming a world where people rarely listen WU try an open mind. Where many think they know it all instead of being honest enough to admit that they don’t. We badly need more good and fair individuals with some power and backbone to step up and push for us to work together to come up with solutions that are fair and reasonable for all and that lead to a better future - not just for us but for our kids.

That all I’ve got. Have a pleasant weekend all.

Only commenting to say your rant is great. Not agreeing or disagreeing with it/ just love the sentiment “people think they know it all instead of being honest and admit they don’t”‘ in the middle of a rant about what you think is wrong with the world today and the change needed to fix it.

[XUGRAD80]

Only commenting to say your rant is great. Not agreeing or disagreeing with it/ just love the sentiment “people think they know it all instead of being honest and admit they don’t”‘ in the middle of a rant about what you think is wrong with the world today and the change needed to fix it.

I don’t see anything in his statement that indicates that HE thinks that HE knows it all. Nor did he say that EVERYONE thinks they know it all, he said MANY. There’s nothing hypocritical about his statement IMHO. Also INMO, he is dead on in many of his points.

While I am very much a free market capitalist, I believe that it’s not hypocritical to say that some regulations are necessary in order to make it work properly for any organization or society in general. The fewer the better in many cases, but still some. The NCAA is an organization, just like any club. It’s a VOLUNTARY organization too. No school is forced to belong to the NCAA. (A perfect example of that is right here in the Greater Cincinnati area, where Thomas More University recently left the NCAA and moved into the NAIA.) but when they join it they agree to play by its rules, just as every other school in the organization has promised. The coaches and players also agree to play by its rules and their participation is also voluntary. Schools can even decide among several levels of participation, each having their own set of rules. (Believe me, the schools, players, and coaches that are participating at the “lower” levels are just a passionate and dedicated as those participating at the highest level.) The rules are designed so that every school and every participant has an EQUAL chance of success.

My problem with the NIL….as it currently stands….is that it doesn’t make things more equal, it does exactly the opposite. Others may disagree with this and point to how a smaller school may now have the opportunity, because of an NIL agreement, to entice a top level athlete to come to their school that otherwise wouldn’t have. I can see that happening in a VERY limited number of cases. But I believe that it is much MORE likely that the bigger schools with their much larger fan basis and established systems of big money donors will have an even GREATER advantage over schools like X, if it remains unregulated and essentially wide open. I don’t claim to have all the knowledge of how this all works or how it can be improved, but I don’t think it hypocritical to say that it needs to be improved and made more equal.

[JTG]

Don't look now folks, but Matta got himself quite a haul from the portal. 6'11" C Manny Bates from NC St., Eric Hunter, who led the BIG in 3s @ .523 at Purdue, and Ali Ali, 6'8" F from Akron. They will definitely be more athletic, and a force to be dealt with.

[A Fan]

I don’t see anything in his statement that indicates that HE thinks that HE knows it all. Nor did he say that EVERYONE thinks they know it all, he said MANY. There’s nothing hypocritical about his statement IMHO. Also INMO, he is dead on in many of his points.

While I am very much a free market capitalist, I believe that it’s not hypocritical to say that some regulations are necessary in order to make it work properly for any organization or society in general. The fewer the better in many cases, but still some. The NCAA is an organization, just like any club. It’s a VOLUNTARY organization too. No school is forced to belong to the NCAA. (A perfect example of that is right here in the Greater Cincinnati area, where Thomas More University recently left the NCAA and moved into the NAIA.) but when they join it they agree to play by its rules, just as every other school in the organization has promised. The coaches and players also agree to play by its rules and their participation is also voluntary. Schools can even decide among several levels of participation, each having their own set of rules. (Believe me, the schools, players, and coaches that are participating at the “lower” levels are just a passionate and dedicated as those participating at the highest level.) The rules are designed so that every school and every participant has an EQUAL chance of success.

My problem with the NIL….as it currently stands….is that it doesn’t make things more equal, it does exactly the opposite. Others may disagree with this and point to how a smaller school may now have the opportunity, because of an NIL agreement, to entice a top level athlete to come to their school that otherwise wouldn’t have. I can see that happening in a VERY limited number of cases. But I believe that it is much MORE likely that the bigger schools with their much larger fan basis and established systems of big money donors will have an even GREATER advantage over schools like X, if it remains unregulated and essentially wide open. I don’t claim to have all the knowledge of how this all works or how it can be improved, but I don’t think it hypocritical to say that it needs to be improved and made more equal.

I think it is fair to say that you , as many of us , loved amateur sports. Amateur sports allow young people to compete, strive ,achieve, win, lose and grow as individuals while giving fans the thrill of watching all of that take place. So what happened? Football and basketball became so popular they became incredibly monetized. Amateur coaches making millions of dollars per year. The Networks paying billions for TV rights. These sports remained amateur only for the participants who everyone paid to see. The NCAA presided over this monstrosity always talking about their “ student athletes” which was a cute way of saying everybody gets paid but them because they are students and not professionals. It was all an illusion .The forces of capitalism and free markets finally burst the bubble. You can’t maintain amateurism when the product is so appealing it attracts billions of dollars for everyone but those who play. The dam will continue to burst. . Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut and Rep. Lori Trajan of Massachusetts have introduced legislation specifically designed to allow college athletes collective bargaining rights., and unfortunately , it can only apply to private schools like Xavier, resulting in a double whammy of NIL rights for the top players and at least hourly minimum wage for all others. The calculation of hours worked would encompass time spent conditioning, practicing, traveling and play . If this comes to pass, it is hard to see how non revenue sports could continue. The Sports Law Attorneys, agents and union organizers will be quite busy.

[xukeith]

Don't look now folks, but Matta got himself quite a haul from the portal. 6'11" C Manny Bates from NC St., Eric Hunter, who led the BIG in 3s @ .523 at Purdue, and Ali Ali, 6'8" F from Akron. They will definitely be more athletic, and a force to be dealt with.
I will give him credit. He has some serious talent rolling in. Butler will be improved. Maybe top 8 in BE for Butler.

[profson]

This will change the relationship between the players and fans as well. Most on this board would not accept, today, that our players would be subject to the range and type of criticism, sometimes vicious, that is hurled at pro players. Once players are paid more than a nominal amount that will change.

[X-band '01]

It's already changed. The end of the regular season should have made that clear (although that was mostly due to Steele's mismanagement of the team).

[Olsingledigit]

I will give him credit. He has some serious talent rolling in. Butler will be improved. Maybe top 8 in BE for Butler.

You might be underestimating Matta. He is an excellent coach and with the roster he has now I would put him top five.

[xukeith]

You might be underestimating Matta. He is an excellent coach and with the roster he has now I would put him top five.

Matta top 5 or Butler top 5?

Matta is a very good coach. But all coaches need superior talent. He is a solid recruiter too.
I hope Butler can outrecruit all Indiana teams but they need a lot of luck to roll their way.

[whopper]

damn them..they knocked us out of BE tournament in 21 and 22 and people forget if Kamar Baldwin did not hit that pre-covid miracle in 2020 we would never have been in the play in game at BET, would have had 20 wins and probalby been in at least the PIG for the big dance.

[Tim]

damn them..they knocked us out of BE tournament in 21 and 22 and people forget if Kamar Baldwin did not hit that pre-covid miracle in 2020 we would never have been in the play in game at BET, would have had 20 wins and probalby been in at least the PIG for the big dance.
And would thus not have Sean Miller back with us.

[D-West & PO-Z]

And would thus not have Sean Miller back with us.

Yep, wouldn't change a thing.

[D-West & PO-Z]

"Notre Dame's Mike Brey says college basketball, football coaches should stop complaining about NIL"

"[Coaches] have got to stop complaining," Brey said Tuesday at the ACC's annual spring meetings. "This is the world we're in, and last time I checked, we make pretty good money. So everybody should shut up and adjust."

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33892753/notre-dame-mike-brey-says-college-basketball-football-coaches-stop-complaining-nil

Amen Mike Brey, Amen.

[XUBison]

"Notre Dame's Mike Brey says college basketball, football coaches should stop complaining about NIL"

"[Coaches] have got to stop complaining," Brey said Tuesday at the ACC's annual spring meetings. "This is the world we're in, and last time I checked, we make pretty good money. So everybody should shut up and adjust."

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33892753/notre-dame-mike-brey-says-college-basketball-football-coaches-stop-complaining-nil

Amen Mike Brey, Amen.

Why do they need to shut up and adjust? Because they make money?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Why do they need to shut up and adjust? Because they make money?

Because it is their job?

Because the whining is laughable and hypocritical. The reasoning they usually give is downright insulting to the intelligence of all of us.

[MHettel]

Because it is their job?

Because the whining is laughable and hypocritical. The reasoning they usually give is downright insulting to the intelligence of all of us.

So predictable.

Mike Brey is the coach of the program that literally plays by their own rules and refuses to align with other teams in a conference, and HE becomes our compass on how to react to the current state?

For real?

[UCGRAD4X]

ND Basketball is full member of the ACC as are all other sports except hockey (B1G) and football.

[D-West & PO-Z]

ND Basketball is full member of the ACC as are all other sports except hockey (B1G) and football.

Hett doesn't let little things like facts get in the way of a good argument!

[D-West & PO-Z]

All the people lapping up the coaches whining are the same people for years who shouted at college players that if they didn't like the rules no one was forcing them to play in college and they could go play pro somewhere or not play at all.

Now the coaches lose a little bit of control and are whining and those same people are like yeah, they are right!

Well how about, they retire or go coach in the pros if they don't like it.

As Mike Brey said, they get paid handsomely to coach, one of those responsibilities is roster management. NIL and portal aren't going anywhere, no one wants to hear a bunch of hypocritical millionaires whine.

[bjf123]

I don’t think the NIL money will have much impact on the one and done players once they’ve picked their school. It’s the guys one step below that who will likely transfer at the drop of a hat when another school comes up with a better NIL offer.


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[94GRAD]

Why do they need to shut up and adjust? Because they make money?

THAT'S EXACTLY WHY!!! Have you never had to adapt to rule/policy changes at any of your job? This isn't a hard concept, adapt or get left behind.

[GoMuskies]

I'm sorry you'lve had to adjust and start selling that seltzer shit. That's worse than any adjustment these coaches need to make!

[94GRAD]

I'm sorry you'lve had to adjust and start selling that seltzer shit. That's worse than any adjustment these coaches need to make!

Charge a premium and rake the money in, easy to adapt ;)

[muskiefan82]

So, when does the portal close? Or does it? Is there a point where you have to make a decision to move on or stay? What if no one wants you and the program you were at doesn't either? Are you just done? I really just want to know when I can stop caring about whether or not X might get a surprise portal player.

[D-West & PO-Z]

So, when does the portal close? Or does it? Is there a point where you have to make a decision to move on or stay? What if no one wants you and the program you were at doesn't either? Are you just done? I really just want to know when I can stop caring about whether or not X might get a surprise portal player.

Players can no longer enter the portal without having to sit next year. Not sure if there is and when it is that players have to be committed to a new school. I would guess in time to be registered for classes at the start of the semester?

[XUMIOH12]

Players can no longer enter the portal without having to sit next year. Not sure if there is and when it is that players have to be committed to a new school. I would guess in time to be registered for classes at the start of the semester?

Yeah at this point anyone who enters would have to get a waiver to play right away (unless they are a grad transfer?). They can commit whenever, there is no "closing date" for the portal (lol), but obviously timing makes a difference as to when you are eligible. Seems like most players figure out what they are doing by August.

[XUMIOH12]

So, when does the portal close? Or does it? Is there a point where you have to make a decision to move on or stay? What if no one wants you and the program you were at doesn't either? Are you just done? I really just want to know when I can stop caring about whether or not X might get a surprise portal player.

It is interesting, there has been more talk about the players who get left in limbo. They have to go juco or step down to D2 I guess. Or just end up somewhere they really didn't think/want to be at. With HS recruits incoming and more transfers going in/out of rosters there isn't always a spot for everyone.

[BandAid]

It is interesting, there has been more talk about the players who get left in limbo. They have to go juco or step down to D2 I guess. Or just end up somewhere they really didn't think/want to be at. With HS recruits incoming and more transfers going in/out of rosters there isn't always a spot for everyone.

There's also a bit of a bubble due to an extra year granted for COVID. Just a glut of available talent for the next few years

[D-West & PO-Z]

There's also a bit of a bubble due to an extra year granted for COVID. Just a glut of available talent for the next few years

Good point. Only players who were true freshman last season don't have the extra year option moving forward.

[XUMIOH12]

There's also a bit of a bubble due to an extra year granted for COVID. Just a glut of available talent for the next few years

Yeah exactly, until all those players with the option for the extra year filter through, there are more players than spots in a lot of cases.

[XUMIOH12]

Looks like Hercy Miller is leaving Xavier and entering the transfer portal. Shouldn't matter for Xavier lol. Hope he enjoyed his short stay here.

[GoMuskies]

Isn't it too late for that? Or does no one care when it's a walk-on?

[xavierj]

Isn't it too late for that? Or does no one care when it's a walk-on?

He will have to sit out next year as he has already transferred once and also missed the deadline, unless he transfers down. It doesn’t matter if you are a scholarship player or a walk on, the rule is the same.

[GoMuskies]

I was looking forward to having Master P at our games. Not quite Bill Murray, but....

[MHettel]

Looks like Hercy Miller is leaving Xavier and entering the transfer portal. Shouldn't matter for Xavier lol. Hope he enjoyed his short stay here.

might be a good thing

[xukeith]

Why did Steele take this walk on transfer? It doesn't make much sense unless teh staff agreed he would make X better. He was a sub D1 player and he wanted to transfer to X. Maybe there is a low hanging fruit award with Rappers' relatives.

[GoMuskies]

He wasn't sub D-I. He had a scholarship to Tennessee State. Apparently Danny Peters is close to the family, so it makes sense he left. Not sure why it took so long, though.

[D-West & PO-Z]

He wasn't sub D-I. He had a scholarship to Tennessee State. Apparently Danny Peters is close to the family, so it makes sense he left. Not sure why it took so long, though.

I guess he had to sit out either way so it didn't matter?

[drudy23]

Percy allegedly had a $2M NIL deal according to Master P and likely brokered by him (prior to coming to X I believe) - I'm guessing that's going to give most coaches pause about having that kind of potential scrutiny for a walk-on. Seems like this kid really doesn't want to play basketball anyway.

[GIMMFD]

Percy allegedly had a $2M NIL deal according to Master P and likely brokered by him (prior to coming to X I believe) - I'm guessing that's going to give most coaches pause about having that kind of potential scrutiny for a walk-on. Seems like this kid really doesn't want to play basketball anyway.

I mean, you know you aren't making the NBA, not playing minutes on a Big East team, and your dad is pretty successful. I could see trying to ride it out somewhere I can actually play for a few years before doing whatever I really wanted to do with some random business degree. Really was strange he transferred here in the first place though, insane that he got a $2mil NIL deal, I don't think I'd want that on my team either personally.

[MHettel]

I mean, you know you aren't making the NBA, not playing minutes on a Big East team, and your dad is pretty successful. I could see trying to ride it out somewhere I can actually play for a few years before doing whatever I really wanted to do with some random business degree. Really was strange he transferred here in the first place though, insane that he got a $2mil NIL deal, I don't think I'd want that on my team either personally.
He was at Tennessee state. Not exactly Duke. He had surgery and then made a big deal about the quality of the medical care. So he transferred mid year to Xavier and has since decided to transfer again.

Too much drama for a Tennessee state level talent

[Muskie]

Percy allegedly had a $2M NIL deal according to Master P and likely brokered by him (prior to coming to X I believe) - I'm guessing that's going to give most coaches pause about having that kind of potential scrutiny for a walk-on. Seems like this kid really doesn't want to play basketball anyway.

I thought I remembered reading the NIL deal was tied to him attending a HBCU. I questioned if it still existed when he transferred here. Who knows.

[GIMMFD]

He was at Tennessee state. Not exactly Duke. He had surgery and then made a big deal about the quality of the medical care. So he transferred mid year to Xavier and has since decided to transfer again.

Too much drama for a Tennessee state level talent

I mean that's kind of what I'm getting at to a point, I didn't know about the drama (also hope he got surgery somewhere other than Tennessee State with a millionaire father, I'm sure he can afford the Hopkins bill lol) but like if you know you're not really that good, I'd totally be cool with being a walk-on, getting some gear, and the semi-perks that come with it. Still insane to me that it was a $2mil NIL deal though, like I get having a famous dad, but sheesh.

[xukeith]

I mean that's kind of what I'm getting at to a point, I didn't know about the drama (also hope he got surgery somewhere other than Tennessee State with a millionaire father, I'm sure he can afford the Hopkins bill lol) but like if you know you're not really that good, I'd totally be cool with being a walk-on, getting some gear, and the semi-perks that come with it. Still insane to me that it was a $2mil NIL deal though, like I get having a famous dad, but sheesh.

Some wealthy people have serious "Throw away $".

[Xuperman]

I believe Master P's daughter/Hercy Miller's sister has died.....only 29.

[Masterofreality]

Unless Hercy’s medical procedure was “Talent Enhancement Surgery” I don’t think he would have fit into Sean’s plans.
Another example of Steele just taking anybody in who he could get?
Throw that wide net out there I guess.

[Dblue]

Unless Hercy’s medical procedure was “Talent Enhancement Surgery” I don’t think he would have fit into Sean’s plans.
Another example of Steele just taking anybody in who he could get?
Throw that wide net out there I guess.

He was a walk-on, I'm not sure any walk-ons are a big part of Sean's plans.

[Xuperman]

The last couple of years we have wanted a "go to" player when we needed a bucket. Boum looks like that guy. But we need someone who can score and create opportunities for the other four players. Is Boum that guy? I guess we'll see. Wonder what this means for the other scholarship? Will we still be looking for a P.G.? I'm guessing probably not because we've now have, in addition to Boum, Kunkel, Tandy, Coby and Desmond , all in the backcourt. We look deep---again. Last year we looked deep and by the end of the season we were playing an eight man rotation. Somehow Miller has to keep all the guys happy and that is going to be tough. Still I'm certain he will do a far better job of it than Steele.

Word on Madness is Boum has arrived on campus, hanging out with Craft and Claude. So, when did Boum pull out of the Draft? Or did he?

Latest on Souley Boum from Wednesday-
https://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2022/6/1/23148485/transfer-profile-souley-boum-scoring-sensation

I kinda doubt that either one of the backcourt Frosh can crack a Miller 8 man rotation come January, if the returning guards stay healthy. So, if Jones becomes a full time backcourt guy, or at least reduced time at the 3, team 101 should have the top backcourt in the BE. If Miller does plan to see Souley slotted at the point, and he can produce at a high level, this looks to get very exciting.

[bobbiemcgee]

He withdrew:

https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/souley-boum-player

[Xville]

Word on Madness is Boum has arrived on campus, hanging out with Craft and Claude. So, when did Boum pull out of the Draft? Or did he?

Latest on Souley Boum from Wednesday-
https://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2022/6/1/23148485/transfer-profile-souley-boum-scoring-sensation

I kinda doubt that either one of the backcourt Frosh can crack a Miller 8 man rotation come January, if the returning guards stay healthy. So, if Jones becomes a full time backcourt guy, or at least reduced time at the 3, team 101 should have the top backcourt in the BE. If Miller does plan to see Souley slotted at the point, and he can produce at a high level, this looks to get very exciting.

Creighton would probably have something to say about that best backcourt in the big East thing. I would say they are probably the top 2 though.

[Xuperman]

Yeah, that kid from South Dakota should pair up nicely with Super Soph Nembhard.

Does anyone see a scenario where Boum doesn't start? I would like to see Souley, Colby, Jerome, Zach and Jack out there at 1st jump.

Another good possibility is Boum, Kunk, Jones, Free and Nunge.

[xukeith]

Yeah, that kid from South Dakota should pair up nicely with Super Soph Nembhard.

Does anyone see a scenario where Boum doesn't start? I would like to see Souley, Colby, Jerome, Zach and Jack out there at 1st jump.

Another good possibility is Boum, Kunk, Jones, Free and Nunge.

Jones will play some pg and sg minutes but he is best suited for the sf slot.
X's shooting guard combo likely will be Boum, Kunkel, and Craft. Point guard and lots of dribbling should come from Boum and Claude.


My opinion on minutes used from guards will likely be Boum, Kunkel, Kraft, Claude,

[Xville]

Jones will play some pg and sg minutes but he is best suited for the sf slot.
X's shooting guard combo likely will be Boum, Kunkel, and Craft. Point guard and lots of dribbling should come from Boum and Claude.


My opinion on minutes used from guards will likely be Boum, Kunkel, Kraft, Claude,

I don't have any inside knowledge on this, but I wouldn't write off Kyky now that there is a coach who knows WTH he is doing.

[SC in DC]

Yeah, I agree, we will see what Kyky is made of this year with a new coach. Also, no offense Xuper, but unless Hunter did a complete 180 I don't want to see him in the starting lineup. Maybe 12-15 mins off the bench.

[XUGRAD80]

Until we see what the newcomers can do, it’s way to early IMO to speculate what the starting lineups should or will be. Especially with Odom leaving. Especially with a new coach that isn’t tied to any of the players and has to look at it as if EVERY player has to show him what they are capable of.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Until we see what the newcomers can do, it’s way to early IMO to speculate what the starting lineups should or will be. Especially with Odom leaving. Especially with a new coach that isn’t tied to any of the players and has to look at it as if EVERY player has to show him what they are capable of.

I am assuming you mean a metaphorical "we". Or as in Miller and the coaching staff? Obviously there is no way for the fans to see the newcomers before they actually play games and of course we will speculate on starting lineups before then, right?

I totally agree though that a lot of times we expect way too much for newcomers. They usually take a bit to contribute significantly.

[XUGRAD80]

I am assuming you mean a metaphorical "we". Or as in Miller and the coaching staff? Obviously there is no way for the fans to see the newcomers before they actually play games and of course we will speculate on starting lineups before then, right?

I totally agree though that a lot of times we expect way too much for newcomers. They usually take a bit to contribute significantly.

Well, actually I do mean we fans. All we can base our speculations about the newcomers on are press clippings and rankings at this point, so what’s the use? I would think that we have seen over the last 4 years that neither of those things are very reliable. The coaching staff at least has the opportunity to watch them in their current workouts and when practice resumes in full. But if people want to speculate on starting lineups anyway, by all means go for it. In my opinion it’s a waste of time, but it’s their time to waste…:whistle:

[XU_Lou]

I think this is probably a good idea:

"Significant news in college basketball: A transfer window is getting enacted across the NCAA. In hoops, a 60-day window will open for transfers the Monday following Selection Sunday.

This will surely create drama and deadline decisions in CBB’s offseason window."

https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1565082146359967747

[UCGRAD4X]

Until we see what the newcomers can do, it’s way to early IMO to speculate what the starting lineups should or will be. Especially with Odom leaving. Especially with a new coach that isn’t tied to any of the players and has to look at it as if EVERY player has to show him what they are capable of.


Well, actually I do mean we fans. All we can base our speculations about the newcomers on are press clippings and rankings at this point, so what’s the use? I would think that we have seen over the last 4 years that neither of those things are very reliable. The coaching staff at least has the opportunity to watch them in their current workouts and when practice resumes in full. But if people want to speculate on starting lineups anyway, by all means go for it. In my opinion it’s a waste of time, but it’s their time to waste…:whistle:

Speculating is what we do best. It is our "spe-she-ali-tee".

Otherwise it politics and climate.

It used to be boobs in the Lounge. Ah, those were the days.

[XUGRAD80]

Speculating is what we do best. It is our "spe-she-ali-tee".

Otherwise it politics and climate.

It used to be boob in the Lounge. Ah, those were the days.

Like I said it’s your time to waste. I’ll wait until we see some game action or hear some reports from practice before wasting mine. :whiteflag: