#MillerTime

[kane79]

About 2 weeks ago my father and i got into a discussion about the state of Xavier basketball. He graduated from XU in 1972. We've had season tickets since 1990 when we moved back to Cincinnati. He gave up on steele last season or the one before. He stopped going to games this season because the product on the court is "unwatchable" and just not any fun anymore to go to these games. He continued about how its an embarrassment and how he can't remember being so disgusted watching. It reminded me of a discussion we had around 30 years ago. XU was in the MCC and playing at the gardens. We showed up to the game extra early that day because something big was happening. Notre Dame was coming to the gardens to play little old Xavier. We were on our way to the big time. Big schools were willing to come play at our house. My father was more excited for that game then i ever remember. The excitement on his face. we stood down leaning on the hockey walls watching warmups.

Its hard to imagine now, that this was that big of a deal some 30 years ago and how far we've come. A lot of younger fans wont understand or appreciate this but im sure some older ones will. I was in grade school for this game and I could barely tell you anything about that game, just the excitement and how it had my father convinced we were on our way as a program. 30 years of work and now we're on the verge of throwing it away. There are ebbs and flows but to soar this high to give it away for a mediocre coach. I was excited for the Steele higher when it was announced. Plus his father-in-law on the board, no way he's going anywhere and we've got our coach for life that we've always wished for. The experiment has been run and its time to take a serious look at the results and the results are failure. Its time to move on continue to Build this Xavier brand. We got ourselves to the big leagues but if we can't be competitive, not just competitive, i expect to challenge for the league title at least most seasons, more than half. Under Steele, we've seen that won't happen and the time has come to move on and make changes that are needed to make that happen.

#MillerTime

[JTG]

I also graduated in 72, and remember the long and difficult climb to where X is now. Sitting in Schmidt watching us get our brains beat in, finally joining the MCC, moving to the A10, then the Big East. D1 Big East basketball is all we have. I'm sure most of us hang out with people who are fans of mega schools in the BIG, or SEC, or BIG 12, whatever. They have football, some have good basketball. All we have as X fans and grads is bball. And to turn it into the steaming pile of shit that it is right now, is awful. Look around at all those new buildings, the Cintas Center, etc., the majority of that can be traced to alumni pride and donations because of the basketball team. It's the lifeblood, the engine that runs the car. Wake up Xavier Admn, you're killing the golden goose by keeping this clown. Now it seems like it's slipping away with a dufus AD and a clueless coach. The fact that the solution (Sean Miller) is sitting right there, is excruciatingly tantalizing. We immediately become a force to be reckoned with, instead of the laughing stock we are quickly becoming. I personally don't give a damn if we beat UC (evidently Steele's only skill) every year, if we're going to nosedive every winter and end up sitting at home in March. It's definitely #MillerTime.

[Murph85]

I go back to 84 and with that saw games at Schmidt and the Gardens. I agree with everything in the above two posts. I would only add that someone compared our program to a plane ascending. Slow but gradual. Building on the past. We hit on every coach hired including several from within. The odds are stacked against having correct picks every times we have to make a change.

Now TS comes in and with no credibility declares he can fulfill the final 2%. Sounded good at the time now it sounds like someone bragging about someone else's accomplishments. Miller and Mack both played division one BB. Steele was nothing but a gym rat. He seems like a nice guy. He married into huge $ Good for him but it does not move the needle.

It has not worked and it is so damn obvious I can't believe it's up for discussion.

My season tickets and All For One are history unless a change is made and with Miller sitting there like a puppy wanting to be petted it is unbearable

[Muskie]

I go back to 84 and with that saw games at Schmidt and the Gardens. I agree with everything in the above two posts. I would only add that someone compared our program to a plane ascending. Slow but gradual. Building on the past. We hit on every coach hired including several from within. The odds are stacked against having correct picks every times we have to make a change.

Now TS comes in and with no credibility declares he can fulfill the final 2%. Sounded good at the time now it sounds like someone bragging about someone else's accomplishments. Miller and Mack both played division one BB. Steele was nothing but a gym rat. He seems like a nice guy. He married into huge $ Good for him but it does not move the needle.

It has not worked and it is so damn obvious I can't believe it's up for discussion.

My season tickets and All For One are history unless a change is made and with Miller sitting there like a puppy wanting to be petted it is unbearable

Fr. Hoff was the one who made the plane analogy I believe. I won't tell anyone how to spend their hard earned money.

[xuwillie]

Our family has just decided to not renew our season tickets if Steele is retained. Still was a tough decision as we have had them since the early 80s

[Xavier]

This thread got my hopes up too much. Every time I come to the board I hope to see a rumor flying about Steele and Miller.

[paulxu]

Oh good...another fire Steele thread. Was getting worried we had run out.

[Masterofreality]

Oh good...another fire Steele thread. Was getting worried we had run out.

Until the number of #FireSteele threads reach the same number of Big Games Blown by Travis Steele, there aren’t enough.
Keep ‘em going.

And I’m class of 1972 also. HAPPY 50th Anniversary. See you in November at the Reunion.

[xavierj]

Until the number of #FireSteele threads reach the same number of Big Games Blown by Travis Steele, there aren’t enough.
Keep ‘em going.

And I’m class of 1972 also. HAPPY 50th Anniversary. See you in November at the Reunion.

I think we have seen enough and it is getting ugly. Xavier will come out worse for this however it shakes out but the amount of venom toward Xavier’s players, coaches, fans and administration is not a good look. I have been frustrated with Xavier for years as I do not think they have made the full commitment to be great but we should also not he total over the top idiots either. There was a twitter account started calling a Xavier supporter a pussy and that’s when it crosses the line. The account was quite disgusting and also shows we need to take a step back. One thing I know is that with or without Travis, recruiting is going to take a huge hit. And it’s not just this site. It’s all over twitter and the pay board. Have a feeling the dark times are about to get darker. Buckle up.

[GoMuskies]

LOL. You need to meet some Kentucky fans.

[Masterofreality]

I see zero venom to the players, but plenty to the guy in charge who is getting paid to be mediocre.
Welcome to fandom when the leader is incompetent

[paulxu]

My 50th reunion was a few years ago and thankfully pre-covid.
Glad Graham was still the president, although hopefully the new lady does well.
The school did a very nice job of hosting the returning class (and OLC grads like mrspaulxu from the same year).
Lots of activities, and a dinner in the Conaton Board Room where he did a lot of interaction with us.

[xavierj]

LOL. You need to meet some Kentucky fans.

Xavier isn’t Ky but are they starting twitter accounts to attack players and other fans?

[Masterofreality]

Xavier isn’t Ky but are they starting twitter accounts to attack players and other fans?

I’ve seen nothing like that. Plenty of Steele diss tho

[Muskie]

I’ve seen nothing like that. Plenty of Steele diss tho

I've seen plenty of Social Media attention thrown at Paul Scruggs. Way to treat a guy that's Top 15 in scoring. I'm glad you folks weren't around in 1999, Darnell Williams likely would have needed witness protection from these people.

[xavierj]

I’ve seen nothing like that. Plenty of Steele diss tho

There is a really bad one out there. I won’t do the idiot that started it justice by posting but I am sure you will see it at some point. Felt bad for the guy who it was aimed at. Attacked him because he is a positive guy. His picture, gay slurs and also called a retard. And twitter let’s that crap just go.

[GoMuskies]

Recruiting is going to take a hit because one person who may or may not be a Xavier fan has taken to Twitter to attack players, Steele and other fans? That's really how you think this works?

[murray87]

Twitter = Sewer

[xuphan]

There is a really bad one out there. I won’t do the idiot that started it justice by posting but I am sure you will see it at some point. Felt bad for the guy who it was aimed at. Attacked him because he is a positive guy. His picture, gay slurs and also called a retard. And twitter let’s that crap just go.

This world would be a better place without social media.

[XUGRAD80]

Recruiting is going to take a hit because one person who may or may not be a Xavier fan has taken to Twitter to attack players, ……..and other fans? That's really how you think this works?

I doubt it has any effect. It’s pretty standard fare for some fan groups around the country. By now I’d guess that it doesn’t effect recruits at all and that they have learned to pay it no mind.

Now when the coach is obviously on the hot seat, as evidenced by what the local media has reported and by what can be seen on this and other websites, that is sure to have some effect on recruiting. Players want to be assured that the coach they are signing to play for is going to be around for awhile. But the chance of a coach leaving sometime during a players career is really really high. Most often it happens at a school like X because the coach chooses to leave, not because they have been fired. But look around at the NCAA field this year. There are a lot of coaches at those schools that are new, or fairly new, and who are not lifers. They came from somewhere else and eventually will probably end up somewhere else, and not always by their choice. Crean was doing a pretty good job at Georgia with his recruiting, even though his teams weren’t very successful and he was known to be on the hot seat. The situation at X right now mostly effects the 2024 recruits, not the players already here or already signed. That changes depending on what happens with Steele over the next 2-3 weeks. Recruits are going to look more at what actually happens than at what fictional people in a virtual world are saying to each other or about someone.

[XUBison]

I think we have seen enough and it is getting ugly. Xavier will come out worse for this however it shakes out but the amount of venom toward Xavier’s players, coaches, fans and administration is not a good look. I have been frustrated with Xavier for years as I do not think they have made the full commitment to be great but we should also not he total over the top idiots either. There was a twitter account started calling a Xavier supporter a pussy and that’s when it crosses the line. The account was quite disgusting and also shows we need to take a step back. One thing I know is that with or without Travis, recruiting is going to take a huge hit. And it’s not just this site. It’s all over twitter and the pay board. Have a feeling the dark times are about to get darker. Buckle up.

I love when Xavier people hold their noses, as if our shit shouldn’t stink. This is the same inane reason we won’t hire Miller.

[IM4X]

I think we have seen enough and it is getting ugly. Xavier will come out worse for this however it shakes out but the amount of venom toward Xavier’s players, coaches, fans and administration is not a good look. I have been frustrated with Xavier for years as I do not think they have made the full commitment to be great but we should also not he total over the top idiots either. There was a twitter account started calling a Xavier supporter a pussy and that’s when it crosses the line. The account was quite disgusting and also shows we need to take a step back. One thing I know is that with or without Travis, recruiting is going to take a huge hit. And it’s not just this site. It’s all over twitter and the pay board. Have a feeling the dark times are about to get darker. Buckle up.

Yeah. I do think we can stay classy and get our point across. I don’t think we need to come across like a bunch of immature teenagers and name call to make our case that something has to change. No question, we deserve to hear more from the administration, but let’s send messages that are respectful and let’s not let our emotions get to us to the point we are sending vitriolic letters. Let’s focus on the notion that expectation for the program are clear and are not being met and how accepting anything less than the expectations (which is what we are doing now) is seriously damaging the incredible brand this university has spent decades of hard work to create.

No question most if not everyone is feeling frustrated with the results we’ve seen over the past four years and most of us believe four years without a tournament appearance is unacceptable and it’s literally making us sick in our stomachs. It is vital for any coach who accepts the position as the head basketball coach at X to understand the high expectations thrown on him and at least meet those expectations that previous coaches have been reaching for decades. It important every X coach shows they can bring the program to new heights (2%) or at least keep it playing at a very high level (regularly making the NCAA tournament and advancing). We have been fortunate with our previous hires, but we have also made sure the standard of excellence was not forgotten. This school is losing it’s reputation as a top Big East School. Most of us agree there is a real sense of urgency to do something so this recent descent into mediocrity is not permanent. We all are getting to the point where the coach’s words are feeling very repetitive and hollow (without any improvements to the same problems) and unfortunately are not comforting anymore.

Travis Steele has been doing a pretty good job landing talented recruits and transfers. Yet, some of us (maybe even most of us) would argue that he has neglected to land any beefy bigs who are bangers (strong defenders, rebounders and scores in the paint) or that the good shooters he brings in are not not always shooting as well as the should. Most would agree players under Travis often struggle to play good defensive and they continue to make mistakes at key moments of the game.

Large leads X has gotten under Travis often disappeared because of a barrage of bad decisions/ forced shots were allowed and even sometimes because of lineups that were inserted which were prone to making those types of poor decisions when put into the game together. It is very clear that there have been a number of issues that are not getting better.

There is a clear pattern of X teams under Travis starting off strong and then gradually getting worse as the season unfolds. Every year we see the worst basketball being played at the end of the season, when school’s are supposed to be peaking. Fans are right to be frustrated and the administration has to do something to fix it. Either X’s administration needs to hire a really smart former D1 HC coach who has won many NCAA tournament games to help as a special assistant (like IU did when they hired Matta) or they just have to go in a new direction. Travis has had plenty of time to show he knows how to correct his own mistakes and he simply has not done it.

The Xavier standard needs to be met and maintained by the X coaches and the administration. Yet, we ought to remain mindful of others and show respect while we make the point clear that not enough is being done. It is part of why I loved going to school at Xavier: Really good people.

The status quo has got to go. Expectations are not being met… and not making ANY kind of change is simply the administration admitting they are fine with the with the program in decline. Still, there’s no need to be crass. Let’s make our thoughts heard with respectfulness and class.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

If Travis is correctly let go after the NIT "run" (which it appears is NOT going to be the case), the chances that Sean would be the next coach are zero point zero. Mutually. Let it go, move on to other flights of fancy, and don't give this scenario a 2nd thought.

[Strange Brew]

I love when Xavier people hold their noses, as if our shit shouldn’t stink. This is the same inane reason we won’t hire Miller.

Yeah, this isn't nor should it be Oxford, Oh.

[xukeith]

I think we have seen enough and it is getting ugly. Xavier will come out worse for this however it shakes out but the amount of venom toward Xavier’s players, coaches, fans and administration is not a good look. I have been frustrated with Xavier for years as I do not think they have made the full commitment to be great but we should also not he total over the top idiots either. There was a twitter account started calling a Xavier supporter a pussy and that’s when it crosses the line. The account was quite disgusting and also shows we need to take a step back. One thing I know is that with or without Travis, recruiting is going to take a huge hit. And it’s not just this site. It’s all over twitter and the pay board. Have a feeling the dark times are about to get darker. Buckle up.

I am a huge fan of the players. I cannot see myself blasting a player online BUT I can imagine holding Steele accountable for knucklehead decisions.

The solution is simple. Fire Steele today, put an assistant in charge as interim, fly in Miller.
Have all parties agree and sign contracts by Thursday of this week. He immediately reaches out to recruits and saves the class.

[Xavier]

I don’t think Sean would need to do much to retain the class. Just have to point to AZ and show him the team he built and what’s coming. Seeing Louisville is looking at Knicks assistant. After there past, Sean probably had just a little too much baggage for them but it’s one school to check off the list. Get Sean and bring Archie with him

[muskiefan82]

I don’t think Sean would need to do much to retain the class. Just have to point to AZ and show him the team he built and what’s coming. Seeing Louisville is looking at Knicks assistant. After there past, Sean probably had just a little too much baggage for them but it’s one school to check off the list. Get Sean and bring Archie with him

Is the nepotism thing still in play or not?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Is the nepotism thing still in play or not?

I'd think that went out the window with the whole Steele and his FIL thing. But who knows!

[muskiefan82]

I'd think that went out the window with the whole Steele and his FIL thing. But who knows!

Ha. It would be funny if that ended up benefiting fans now...

[xu82]

I got another March Gladness email from XU today. There is more March Madness in my house, and NOT the tournament.

[Murph85]

I am a huge fan of the players. I cannot see myself blasting a player online BUT I can imagine holding Steele accountable for knucklehead decisions.

The solution is simple. Fire Steele today, put an assistant in charge as interim, fly in Miller.
Have all parties agree and sign contracts by Thursday of this week. He immediately reaches out to recruits and saves the class.

Hearing Miller not in the equation. Hope source is wrong.

[Xville]

Hearing Miller not in the equation. Hope source is wrong.

Not surprised at all. I’m ok with it as long as Steele is gone

[XUBison]

If Travis is correctly let go after the NIT "run" (which it appears is NOT going to be the case), the chances that Sean would be the next coach are zero point zero. Mutually. Let it go, move on to other flights of fancy, and don't give this scenario a 2nd thought.

I emailed President Hamsandwich this afternoon, emphasizing why we should hire Miller, and how badly he wants to be our coach. Signed, BigMoeMusketeer of Montgomery

[Murph85]

Not surprised at all. I’m ok with it as long as Steele is gone

Again, hope it’s bad info but I hear more Steele and assistant changes but nothing specific.

[XUBison]

Hearing Miller not in the equation. Hope source is wrong.

If Miller is not interested, then what can we do? Maybe that’s the case, but I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t at least entertain a conversation. And if the University box on Miller, that would be a predictable but disappointing outcome. I suppose we will never know— convenient for them.

[Xville]

Again, hope it’s bad info but I hear more Steele and assistant changes but nothing specific.

Disgusting. How many assistant coaches are going to be scapegoats for this f up of a head coach?

[bleedXblue]

The assistants conversation and move should have been made two years ago when it was clear he was in over his head. We're now going to ensure he brings in some tenure and experience to help with X's and O's? Good grief.

[xu82]

Hearing Miller not in the equation. Hope source is wrong.

Why pass on a virtual sure thing for another roll of the dice? Miller should definitely be choice #1.

[XUBison]

Again, hope it’s bad info but I hear more Steele and assistant changes but nothing specific.

Ahhh, so it’s Jonas’ fault? The time for overhauling the assistants has passed. That is never more than lipstick on a pig anyway. Unbelievable if true.

[Xavier]

Again, hope it’s bad info but I hear more Steele and assistant changes but nothing specific.

I’m choosing to not believe your source. For my sanity this March, give me hope over next couple weeks we have a future.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Hearing Miller not in the equation. Hope source is wrong.

Because we didn’t want him or he didn’t want us?

[XUBANDGRAD]

God I hate this “unnamed source familiar with the thinking of someone thinking about the coaching position”

[bjf123]

Other than our rather closed bubble here that wants Sean to be our next head coach, has there be any independent, external reporting that he would even be interested in the job, if it were offered?


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[Strange Brew]

Other than our rather closed bubble here that wants Sean to be our next head coach, has there be any independent, external reporting that he would even be interested in the job, if it were offered?


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I heard from this guy, who knows this kid, who talk to a friend that said they saw Sean at 31 flavors last night. Guess it’s pretty serious.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I heard from this guy, who knows this kid, who talk to a friend that said they saw Sean at 31 flavors last night. Guess it’s pretty serious.

Works for me!

[xudash]

Some general comments and inputs:

1. It is a very good idea to literally flood the administration with fan input at this point. I suggest you make your primary focus Greg Christopher.

2. As has been recommended already, keep it classy and constructive; overly emotional messages will get tossed, probably as they should.

3. From the whatever it's worth department: the administration is fully aware of the meltdown that is going on in the fanbase.

4. From the whatever it's worth department: the administration know that they have a big problem that requires their attention; they must act.

5. Frankly, we are in a very fluid state - I cannot imagine that any option has been formally eliminated at this point.

6. Greg Christopher is in no position to announce anything yet, nor take drastic action - yet.

7. Greg is a very effective executive. He missed on Steele, but most of us thought Steele was the way to go when he was announced.

8. Some will argue that Greg also has missed on other key coaching positions. True. But he didn't miss on other positions that are less visible.

I don't believe that Steele's father-in-law is a deciding-level factor in all this. He is someone who must be consulted/informed/advised. The F-I-L didn't get to where he is in life by being blind to reality, stupid and/or negligent.

I can say with a great deal of confidence that MANAGEMENT know they have a burning problem, but that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone here.

I don't know what Travis Steele is thinking. Travis, his wife and his family are the only ones in on all of that. I surmise that he knows that he is, shall we say, less than loved by Xavier Nation. Whether he blames Paul Scruggs privately or publicly for one boneheaded play in one game, it must now be clear to him that winning the Butler game was not going to be enough, which simply means that his body of work from February on was totally unacceptable as a head coach. He knows that, knowing that this was HIS team. He knows that, knowing that Xavier was picked pre-season to come in 3rd in the BE. There is nothing that he can hang his hat on that is positive with respect to his stewardship of this program. Nothing. That includes recruiting, given that the body of evidence for that suggests that he is not building rosters capable of standing up to BE play. Overall, I mean literally ZERO, given what has transpired during this Year #4.

Will that make him more open-minded should he end up being retained? My gut reaction is to answer that with: "what choice does he have." Unfortunately, he can still be blind and stupid if he's allowed to go into Year 5, assuming that happens with whatever arrangement is imposed upon him. If he is smart and survives all this, he'll adjust and the right kind of bench support will be brought to bear.

If he is removed, then for whom? Does Sean Miller truly want the job? If Sean wants the job, and if we find a clue and are smart enough to go after him, then it is actually possible that very, and I mean very, quiet conversations have already been held with him. I surmise that Sean would hold tight if he has been contacted by Xavier for the purpose of letting him know to stay tuned for more serious conversations soon.

As much as the NIT appears to be an abject waste of time in the year 2022, and knowing that it truly provides little value for purposes of honing next year's team, it still provides "2%" PR value (see what I did there). If the players voted to play in it; if they had a true say in it, then let them play, because they're the ones that put in all the work, even though they had a hand in the failure.

Greg received my input today. I know him and I respect him. It came directly from me under my name. I pointed out why Travis should not be retained. I pointed out why Sean Miller should be pursued energetically, once the University satisfies itself that any flack resulting from what happened in the desert can be effectively managed and boxed. I amplified the idea that Sean has learned his lessons, including one of the ones most important to us: that the grass truly isn't always greener on the other side. That included pointing out the obvious: Xavier grew up - the Cintas Center and all its accoutrements and the membership in the Big East has set up Xavier for truly competing at the national level for F4's and NC's. With all due respect to Buicks, well, you know. If we can get him back on Victory Parkway, we probably have him for the balance of his career. Imagine that (Jay Wright has now been at Nova for 21 years).

[Masterofreality]

Great stuff DASH!!

[beatuc]

Hearing Miller not in the equation. Hope source is wrong.

I have also heard the same thing. I do know through the same source that Miller would absolutely take it but Xavier isn't interested. From what I've been told Travis Steele is not even on the hot seat as everyone presumes he is and will absolutely be back next year. Making the tournament is also not a perquisite for keeping Steele beyond next season. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!! I believe the family dynamic is a much bigger deal and influence than people can realize.

My opinion on this, is how can Xavier put themselves in this situation to begin with. Seems like a huge conflict of interest!!

[Xville]

I have also heard the same thing. I do know through the same source that Miller would absolutely take it but Xavier isn't interested. From what I've been told Travis Steele is not even on the hot seat as everyone presumes he is and will absolutely be back next year. Making the tournament is also not a perquisite for keeping Steele beyond next season. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!! I believe the family dynamic is a much bigger deal and influence than people can realize.

My opinion on this, is how can Xavier put themselves in this situation to begin with. Seems like a huge conflict of interest!!

If all of this is true, there is zero reason for any of us to spend another dime on this program.

[beatuc]

If all of this is true, there is zero reason for any of us to spend another dime on this program.

I believe it's true but I also believe the situation is fluid until Xavier's after season review with Travis. Just the state of the program right now. Administration is aware of everything just heard they don't plan to act this year.

[Xavier]

Honestly I get the feeling Travis will stay unless the meeting goes off the rails, and it very well could. It’s a tough situation- absolutely love the seats we’ve got at cintas. I want those when the new era starts. But have to send message some way. Going to the games has been a drag. Bring in an offensive coach, at least X doesn’t care about making the tournament/ let’s have some fun basketball to watch.

[XUBison]

I believe it's true but I also believe the situation is fluid until Xavier's after season review with Travis. Just the state of the program right now. Administration is aware of everything just heard they don't plan to act this year.

Then they are aware of nothing.

[XUBison]

If all of this is true, there is zero reason for any of us to spend another dime on this program.

I love Xavier basketball more than anything else in sports, but my adoration is not totally blind. It has been built on the idea of constant growth and a belief that the university intends to compete at the top. I may have to recalibrate my expectations. If the program‘s aspiration is half serious, then my interest will be as well. #WhatWouldFatherHoffDo

[xu82]

Some general comments and inputs:

1. It is a very good idea to literally flood the administration with fan input at this point. I suggest you make your primary focus Greg Christopher.

2. As has been recommended already, keep it classy and constructive; overly emotional messages will get tossed, probably as they should.

3. From the whatever it's worth department: the administration is fully aware of the meltdown that is going on in the fanbase.

4. From the whatever it's worth department: the administration know that they have a big problem that requires their attention; they must act.

5. Frankly, we are in a very fluid state - I cannot imagine that any option has been formally eliminated at this point.

6. Greg Christopher is in no position to announce anything yet, nor take drastic action - yet.

7. Greg is a very effective executive. He missed on Steele, but most of us thought Steele was the way to go when he was announced.

8. Some will argue that Greg also has missed on other key coaching positions. True. But he didn't miss on other positions that are less visible.

I don't believe that Steele's father-in-law is a deciding-level factor in all this. He is someone who must be consulted/informed/advised. The F-I-L didn't get to where he is in life by being blind to reality, stupid and/or negligent.

I can say with a great deal of confidence that MANAGEMENT know they have a burning problem, but that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone here.

I don't know what Travis Steele is thinking. Travis, his wife and his family are the only ones in on all of that. I surmise that he knows that he is, shall we say, less than loved by Xavier Nation. Whether he blames Paul Scruggs privately or publicly for one boneheaded play in one game, it must now be clear to him that winning the Butler game was not going to be enough, which simply means that his body of work from February on was totally unacceptable as a head coach. He knows that, knowing that this was HIS team. He knows that, knowing that Xavier was picked pre-season to come in 3rd in the BE. There is nothing that he can hang his hat on that is positive with respect to his stewardship of this program. Nothing. That includes recruiting, given that the body of evidence for that suggests that he is not building rosters capable of standing up to BE play. Overall, I mean literally ZERO, given what has transpired during this Year #4.

Will that make him more open-minded should he end up being retained? My gut reaction is to answer that with: "what choice does he have." Unfortunately, he can still be blind and stupid if he's allowed to go into Year 5, assuming that happens with whatever arrangement is imposed upon him. If he is smart and survives all this, he'll adjust and the right kind of bench support will be brought to bear.

If he is removed, then for whom? Does Sean Miller truly want the job? If Sean wants the job, and if we find a clue and are smart enough to go after him, then it is actually possible that very, and I mean very, quiet conversations have already been held with him. I surmise that Sean would hold tight if he has been contacted by Xavier for the purpose of letting him know to stay tuned for more serious conversations soon.

As much as the NIT appears to be an abject waste of time in the year 2022, and knowing that it truly provides little value for purposes of honing next year's team, it still provides "2%" PR value (see what I did there). If the players voted to play in it; if they had a true say in it, then let them play, because they're the ones that put in all the work, even though they had a hand in the failure.

Greg received my input today. I know him and I respect him. It came directly from me under my name. I pointed out why Travis should not be retained. I pointed out why Sean Miller should be pursued energetically, once the University satisfies itself that any flack resulting from what happened in the desert can be effectively managed and boxed. I amplified the idea that Sean has learned his lessons, including one of the ones most important to us: that the grass truly isn't always greener on the other side. That included pointing out the obvious: Xavier grew up - the Cintas Center and all its accoutrements and the membership in the Big East has set up Xavier for truly competing at the national level for F4's and NC's. With all due respect to Buicks, well, you know. If we can get him back on Victory Parkway, we probably have him for the balance of his career. Imagine that (Jay Wright has now been at Nova for 21 years).

Thank you. Great post. Public reps is all I can offer.

[Masterofreality]

With this win, we can now rest easy that Travis Steele will be coaching Xavier next year.
Get ready for a 5th year of trash.
Sorry.

[Xavier]

Man. Next year is going to be so weird, because I know Steele sucks. Steele isn’t getting us anywhere we want to be. But is missing the tournament do more damage than Steele making it and staying? Five years in a row will completely kill the program. It’s going to take years of a rebuild to get national respect again….I’m telling you we are so close to being Pitt it’s not funny.

Plus next year is basically a rebuilding year. Absolutely no chance X makes the tournament. So we just have to wait for the inevitable of firing Steele next year. I guess we get a full year researching potential coaches.

[waggy]

With this win, we can now rest easy that Travis Steele will be coaching Xavier next year.
Get ready for a 5th year of trash.
Sorry.

I predict gc is gone in 2 then.

[Strange Brew]

With this win, we can now rest easy that Travis Steele will be coaching Xavier next year.
Get ready for a 5th year of trash.
Sorry.

Well, then get used to similar attendance to tonight.

[xu82]

Well, then get used to similar attendance to tonight.

Pre-Covid I traveled back to a game annually. I will barely flip to that channel next year unless the administration demonstrates a commitment to do it right.

[Xavier]

Is the report on Twitter true? They kicked Stanley off the bench because he stayed sitting during a timeout and didn’t stand with team? I hope it is, we need to root for crap like that and 3 main guys leaving. We need roster chaos to get things moving

[xavierj]

If Travis is gone who are they bringing in? Heard it can’t be miller this year but he may be hireable next year. Not sure who else would move the needle at this point. I also think with or without Travis, Xavier needs like 10 new players. Team has zero talent, which again is on the coach. I don’t think Xavier could keep my 80 year old mother from getting to the basket.

[Xavier]

We are heading into year five and the roster sucks. Next year is rebuilding no matter what. And Colby/Freemantle rumored to be leaving too. Let the freshman play like crazy, set it up for the new era after Steele gets fired next season.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Other than our rather closed bubble here that wants Sean to be our next head coach, has there be any independent, external reporting that he would even be interested in the job, if it were offered?


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ESPN said in an article to keep an eye on Miller if Steele is let go. Didn't sound like they knew he or X would be interested for sure though.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Is the report on Twitter true? They kicked Stanley off the bench because he stayed sitting during a timeout and didn’t stand with team? I hope it is, we need to root for crap like that and 3 main guys leaving. We need roster chaos to get things moving

Yes, I was the one who tweeted it. Saw the whole thing go down. Stanley was the only one on the bench during a second half timeout. Jonas came over and told him to come stand in the huddle. Ben stood after a min, they had words, Jonas then told him to leave and Ben went into the tunnel and never returned.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Miller is 100% available. I'm not aware of any non compete clause or whatever it's called. But if there is then let his brother hold the throne till Miller is allowed. Either way, Steele has to go. We struggled to beat Cleveland State. Wait till the Prince comes in on Sunday. That should be fantastic and I will prob go just to see him school Steele. Florida isn't winning so it will be Iona

[waggy]

It’s not uncommon for a contract to be void if you take a new position.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

I don't believe that Steele's father-in-law is a deciding-level factor in all this. He is someone who must be consulted/informed/advised. The F-I-L didn't get to where he is in life by being blind to reality, stupid and/or negligent.

No, he got where he is in life by marrying a woman from a generationally wealthy family. Good plan if you can pull it off.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

Sean was going to be announced at South Carolina this afternoon, had to separate from Trav today to take a swing before he was off the market.

[OTRMUSKIE]

file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/30/00/ABE40D44-9955-4BD8-9BCA-8F306D80B9B3/tmp.gif

[MHettel]

Sean was going to be announced at South Carolina this afternoon, had to separate from Trav today to take a swing before he was off the market.

hmmmmmmm

[drudy23]

file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/30/00/ABE40D44-9955-4BD8-9BCA-8F306D80B9B3/tmp.gif

This is cryptic enough to peak my interest.

What the hell is this?

[MHettel]

This is cryptic enough to peak my interest.

What the hell is this?

Type it into your browser backwards. It's pretty eye-opening

[XU_Lou]

file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/30/00/ABE40D44-9955-4BD8-9BCA-8F306D80B9B3/tmp.gif

The link is dead....

You can't leave us hanging - what is it?

[OTRMUSKIE]

https://giphy.com/gifs/BuickUSA-HoWWOOwakFXv3ZLvQM

[JTG]

Sean was going to be announced at South Carolina this afternoon, had to separate from Trav today to take a swing before he was off the market.

That would certainly explain the timing of the firing. Kind of bizarre to fire a coach the morning after he wins a game, unless you need to act, and you've had the Miller idea floated to the powers that be before today. Or this could all be message board bullshit, but I hope it's not and Miller is headed to Victory Pkwy.

[D-West & PO-Z]

https://vimeo.com/262269850?embedded=true&source=video_title&owner=70886360

[MHettel]

I have also heard the same thing. I do know through the same source that Miller would absolutely take it but Xavier isn't interested. From what I've been told Travis Steele is not even on the hot seat as everyone presumes he is and will absolutely be back next year. Making the tournament is also not a perquisite for keeping Steele beyond next season. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!! I believe the family dynamic is a much bigger deal and influence than people can realize.

My opinion on this, is how can Xavier put themselves in this situation to begin with. Seems like a huge conflict of interest!!

Is your source a magic 8-ball? or a Ouija Board?

[boozehound]

If the next coach isn't Sean Miller, we are likely going to have some very disappointed fans.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If the next coach isn't Sean Miller, we are likely going to have some very disappointed fans.

Agreed, but it will still have been the right move and hopefully we get someone with some good experience/results.

[boozehound]

Agreed, but it will still have been the right move and hopefully we get someone with some good experience/results.

Totally. 4 years of Steele was plenty. It wasn't going in the right direction.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I have been texted the following:

"Sean Miller to XU deal being finalized, numbers being negotiated now."

[boozehound]

I have been texted the following:

"Sean Miller to XU deal being finalized, numbers being negotiated now."

By someone who would know?

[xu82]

I have been texted the following:

"Sean Miller to XU deal being finalized, numbers being negotiated now."

Praying you have a solid source!

[GIMMFD]

I have been texted the following:

"Sean Miller to XU deal being finalized, numbers being negotiated now."

Don't you dare toy with my soul like this.

[D-West & PO-Z]

By someone who would know?

Yes. However, I am not someone who personally knows shit. So take it for what it is worth.

[American X]

Bring Back The Hack!

https://c.tenor.com/AKqUwA7aOA8AAAAC/brady-bunch-smoking.gif

[bobbiemcgee]

I have been texted the following:

"Sean Miller to XU deal being finalized, numbers being negotiated now."

Tracking the XU plane on flightaware? Ha.

[Strange Brew]

Tracking the XU plane on flightaware? Ha.

Send someone to Performance Lexus just in case Christopher stops by.

[Lloyd Braun]

If it’s Miller or someone high priced what’s the salary ceiling at Xavier?

[GoMuskies]

If it’s Miller or someone high priced what’s the salary ceiling at Xavier?

How much money is kmcrawford making these days?

[xukeith]

If it’s Miller or someone high priced what’s the salary ceiling at Xavier?

I am guessing $1.8-2 million is tops

[OTRMUSKIE]

I pretty sure Mack was offered 3 million. I would assume Miller will get the same.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Patrick Ewing is making 3 million btw

[xu82]

Patrick Ewing is making 3 million btw

….and he earned every…..I mean a penny of it!

[XUBison]

Patrick Ewing is making 3 million btw

Actually, his base salary is $4M, which was extended through ‘25-‘26 after winning the BET last year. Yikes.

[bobbiemcgee]

How much money is kmcrawford making these days?

Think he has a little skin in the game.

[Masterofreality]

Think he has a little skin in the game.

Literally.

[OTRMUSKIE]

This is the latest I’ve heard from someone that is connected to the Joseph family…Sean Miller was set to take South Carolina job today. Xavier flew him in last minute, and to show Sean Miller they were all in, fired Travis. Sean left Xavier's campus and is heading to South Carolina. If he doesn't take that job tonight, he will be Xavier's next head coach as soon as tomorrow

[OTRMUSKIE]

The Wikipedia page has him as their head coach but has since been taken down. If he dicks us over FOR POWERHOUSE South Carolina he really is a dick.

[Strange Brew]

This is the latest I’ve heard from someone that is connected to the Joseph family…Sean Miller was set to take South Carolina job today. Xavier flew him in last minute, and to show Sean Miller they were all in, fired Travis. Sean left Xavier's campus and is heading to South Carolina. If he doesn't take that job tonight, he will be Xavier's next head coach as soon as tomorrow

Hopefully it’s a quick trip to Columbia to respectfully say “NO” in person and then back to Cincy by midnight.

[xukeith]

This is the latest I’ve heard from someone that is connected to the Joseph family…Sean Miller was set to take South Carolina job today. Xavier flew him in last minute, and to show Sean Miller they were all in, fired Travis. Sean left Xavier's campus and is heading to South Carolina. If he doesn't take that job tonight, he will be Xavier's next head coach as soon as tomorrow

South Carolina?

Beauty is the eye of the beholder.

These "sources" better be legit. Why would Miller and his wife join SC? I guess money talks.

[Strange Brew]

South Carolina?

Beauty is the eye of the beholder.

These "sources" better be legit. Why would Miller and his wife join SC? I guess money talks.

It makes sense with the timing of the Steele situation. Can’t imagine X pulling this if Sean wasn’t on board.

[xukeith]

This is the latest I’ve heard from someone that is connected to the Joseph family…Sean Miller was set to take South Carolina job today. Xavier flew him in last minute, and to show Sean Miller they were all in, fired Travis. Sean left Xavier's campus and is heading to South Carolina. If he doesn't take that job tonight, he will be Xavier's next head coach as soon as tomorrow

It is "The Matta experience" all over again except this time X is playing the Ohio State role.

[XUBob]

Saw the same quote, hoping more money from S. Carolina doesn’t kill our chances. Don’t know why he’d go back to Carolina if there wasn’t real interest. Only negative thing I’ve heard all day, fingers crossed.

[Tim]

Saw the same quote, hoping more money from S. Carolina doesn’t kill our chances. Don’t know why he’d go back to Carolina if there wasn’t real interest. Only negative thing I’ve heard all day, fingers crossed.

I agree with this post. Why not call them? For the first time since Steele was let go, I'm concerned.

[boozehound]

I think firing Travis was the right move regardless, but it would suck if we didn’t land Miller. I imagine South Carolina could probably pay more, but not sure really how much more. The thing that probably helps us is that he made a lot of money in Arizona and should be pretty set financially so money probably isn’t his primary motivator unless it’s A LOT more $. Beyond that unless he really loves Columbia, Xavier would seem to be the better job (even ignoring Sean’s past ties to X).

[OTRMUSKIE]

You want to talk about a BUICK. That would be South Carolina basketball .

[Strange Brew]

You want to talk about a BUICK. That would be South Carolina basketball .

Did you happen to get the tail number of the flight?

[bobbiemcgee]

Hmmmmm...

https://southcarolina.rivals.com/news/south-carolina-mbb-hot-board-update-pt-2

[GoMuskies]

It is "The Matta experience" all over again except this time X is playing the Ohio State role.

It's almost exactly like Gregg Marshall/Alabama. He took the flight down there but stayed at Wichita State. Granted, that ended up not working out great for either school! Gregg Marshall and Avery Johnson are both out of work coaches.

[boozehound]

Hmmmmm...

https://southcarolina.rivals.com/news/south-carolina-mbb-hot-board-update-pt-2

Paywall. Summary?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hmmmmm...

https://southcarolina.rivals.com/news/south-carolina-mbb-hot-board-update-pt-2

Can't read it, what's the gist?

[beatuc]

Paywall. Summary?

Miller flew to South Carolina without landing the Xavier job.

[XUBob]

The rivals article is behind a pay wall, what is the gist of it?

[Blue Blooded-05]

This is the latest I’ve heard from someone that is connected to the Joseph family…Sean Miller was set to take South Carolina job today. Xavier flew him in last minute, and to show Sean Miller they were all in, fired Travis. Sean left Xavier's campus and is heading to South Carolina. If he doesn't take that job tonight, he will be Xavier's next head coach as soon as tomorrow

Sean using us as leverage for more money would be an epic dick move.

[bjf123]

I agree with this post. Why not call them? For the first time since Steele was let go, I'm concerned.

Maybe he’s using X as leverage to get SC to up the $$$?


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[Muskie1000]

If Miller is so keen to be here then why fly back to SC?

[bobbiemcgee]

The rivals article is behind a pay wall, what is the gist of it?

Named him as potential candidate with others:

https://247sports.com/college/south-carolina/LongFormArticle/South-Carolina-basketball-coaching-search-Potential-candidates-to-replace-Frank-Martin-184473019/

[boozehound]

Potential 'terrible human being' opportunity here for Sean Miller, particularly if the AD wasn't 100% settled on firing Travis. Dude shows up on campus to talk about the HC job and we fire Travis somewhat abruptly and unceremoniously, then he leaves and takes the SC job anyways. That would be a pretty aggressive dick move, unless Xavier totally lowballed him or we were insisting on some unfavorable contract details potentially around payout if he get found guilty of major violations and suspended or given a show cause? You'd have to think Christopher would have some idea of what it would take to get Miller before immediately firing Steele though.

Not that firing Steele wasn't the right thing regardless, and I think that the longer we waited the more good candidates were coming off the board.

[bobbiemcgee]

If Miller is so keen to be here then why fly back to SC?

He left his phone there.

[bjf123]

If Miller is so keen to be here then why fly back to SC?

If true, I’m very worried he’s taking that job. As others have said, though, I think the X job in the Big East is a better opportunity. The SEC is a football first conference.

Also, how many of us are watching the Florida / Iona game while busily refreshing Twitter?


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[GoMuskies]

If Miller is so keen to be here then why fly back to SC?

Play Kiawah

[bleedXblue]

I kid you not I was in Columbia, SC this week for business. Columbia is a total crap hole of a city. I would be shocked if Sean took that job.

[xuphan]

Sean using us as leverage for more money would be an epic dick move.

I think you mean an epic gameCOCK move.

[boozehound]

SC has 2 NCAA appearances in 20 years (granted one was a Final 4, but still). There really can't be a universe in which they are the same level program as Xavier, or even close. At Xavier he can fly around in a private jet and play other great basketball schools in historic arenas with rabid fanbases. At SC he can fly around the Southeast and play other football schools that intermittently care about basketball. In places like Baton Rouge and Knoxville. They could probably pay more, but that would seem to be the only place they might be better. It's probably just as likely he is flying back to SC to see if he can get a little more out of Xavier than the other way around (assuming he is actually flying back there to meet with them again).

Honestly if Xavier makes a real effort with a strong offer to get Miller and he goes with SC for a bit more cash, fuck it. He didn't really want the job and probably wasn't going to stay long (again) anyways.

[bleedXblue]

For what is is worth Miller was making around 3.0M in his last year at Arizona.

X should be able to get around the 2M mark. They might even have a few donors in the bag to help with incentives.

[bobbiemcgee]

I don't think he'd squeeze us for a few bucks. Geezus, he had 12 yrs @ AZ at what around 3 m a year?

[Strange Brew]

For what is is worth Miller was making around 3.0M in his last year at Arizona.

X should be able to get around the 2M mark. They might even have a few donors in the bag to help with incentives.

And SC has a QB they have to pay.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

There are other coaches, he is the best chance for us but moving on was necessary.

[boozehound]

If all we can get to is $2MM we might be screwed. Frank Martin was making $3.2MM.

2021 lists Steele's salary at $1.3MM, which is always significantly understated for Xavier coaches. I would expect we could get to $3MM or maybe even $4MM, and if we can't we need to find a way to get there if we want to play with the big boys. Shaka Smart is reported to be getting close to $4MM. $2.2MM for Ed Cooley. Between $3MM and $4MM for Ewing.

$2MM doesn't buy the type of coach it used to.

[boozehound]

I kid you not I was in Columbia, SC this week for business. Columbia is a total crap hole of a city. I would be shocked if Sean took that job.

It's a sweltering rest stop on the way to Myrtle Beach.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Is now a bad time to remind everyone that tomorrow is the 15 year anniversary of the NCAA Tournament game vs OSU?

[D-West & PO-Z]

For what is is worth Miller was making around 3.0M in his last year at Arizona.

X should be able to get around the 2M mark. They might even have a few donors in the bag to help with incentives.

If we truly offered Mack 3 million then I am not sure why we couldn't or wouldn't offer Miller that.

[bjf123]

Is now a bad time to remind everyone that tomorrow is the 15 year anniversary of the NCAA Tournament game vs OSU?

Maybe it’s karma, poetic justice, etc., that Sean comes back to X on that anniversary to return to correct that wrong?


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[ArizonaXUGrad]

Can you really follow the guy in the air? Is this what it has come to? I always figured the plane tracking were from trolls. It seems a bit really ridiculous. If Miller wanted to negotiate he doesn’t need to hop on a plane.

[bleedXblue]

If we truly offered Mack 3 million then I am not sure why we couldn't or wouldn't offer Miller that.

I would think that additional big time donations and maintaining if not increasing season ticket sales would help pay for the extra money needed to get us there

[Blue Blooded-05]

Maybe it’s karma, poetic justice, etc., that Sean comes back to X on that anniversary to return to correct that wrong?

This time I hope Sean calls John Calipari in the middle of the night and gets his input on Xavier vs South Carolina

[JTG]

If Christopher did the Steele separation without having Miller in the bag, he's a world class idiot. The trip back to SC is making me nervous.

[chico]

I'm not on Twitter but a google search of Sean Miller on Twitter is showing a lot of chatter about him being the next head coach at South Carolina. Have no idea how credible it is but it's certainly concerning.

[xuwillie]

Not sure if its kosher to post that on here but a buddy texted me this same update from the other board. Makes me feel better.

Yes this shouldn't be posted here

[xavbball]

I learned all kinds of things today from people's "sources":


We hired a guy named "Shawn Miller"
We offered Miller a six-year deal worth $24 million
We signed Miller but are awaiting results from his physical

Who knows if any of this is correct. It is hard for me to believe that we fired Steele after flying in Miller to "show we were all in."

[OTRMUSKIE]

How does this make you feel better? Tbey blind sided Steele and they don't even have miller in the bag. Miller shouldn't even have to think about this. Your former school you called a Buick is begging for you to come Back. You have no choice but to accept the invitation. If you don't, then all this love for Xavier was BS. I hope he is just playing the leverage game but if he turns X down I am going to be pissed. Of course me being pissed doesn't impact anyone so doesn't matter .

[MHettel]

Reality check:

If XU had a coach in place ( for awhile) and that coach was reported to be sought after by South Carolina, would that be a legitimate concern?

I get leaving XU for a REALLY good job, maybe there are 10-15 out there.

But South Carolina isn’t one of them.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I don't use the pay site. I'm just copying what my friend sent me.

[bjf123]

NM

[D-West & PO-Z]

Other board?


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Not MM, but the paid 247 board. I am not a member but someone there texted me that same post.

[Xavier]

I don't use the pay site. I'm just copying what my friend sent me.

I’m with other guys. Wouldn’t post that here…but yes, Sean wouldn’t have his agent reach out to use X as a leverage play and cause X to fire a friend. Greg probably gave Sean an offer and is going through the board to make them feel part of it. Make no mistake about it/ all signs point to a reunion. Only possible reason it won’t happen is USC offering more than double and a huge buyout. Sean wants X. Made a last ditch effort to tell X before he committed to Carolina. We are fine

[OTRMUSKIE]

Why does it matter where it's posted? Is it going to hurt 247 feelings?

[GoMuskies]

What I'm seeing is that even if Miller doesn't take the job he still did us a favor.

[KabeX]

Not MM, but the paid 247 board. I am not a member but someone there texted me that same post.
I am a member (and it's times like these I'm glad I am) and this was posted over there. I'm sure it wasn't intentional but it was posted earlier on that site.

[Blue Blooded-05]

I’m with other guys. Wouldn’t post that here…but yes, Sean wouldn’t have his agent reach out to use X as a leverage play and cause X to fire a friend. Greg probably gave Sean an offer and is going through the board to make them feel part of it. Make no mistake about it/ all signs point to a reunion. Only possible reason it won’t happen is USC offering more than double and a huge buyout. Sean wants X. Made a last ditch effort to tell X before he committed to Carolina. We are fine

Amen. If Sean proactively reaches out to X and allowed them to fire his former assistant as a ploy to get an extra million out of a football school then we don’t want him anyway.

Another sleepless night awaiting a Sean Miller epiphany. I feel better about it this time around. Time to come home, Sean.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I guess the players have been told Miller has been hired.

[Xavier]

Where you hearing that? God I hope

[OTRMUSKIE]

Just repeating what my friend is texting me. Im site Miller will be the coach tomorrow.

[SemajParlor]

I know this is a message board and all, but jeez do we need to post every unsubstantiated rumor? Unless you're a family member of a player I don't trust that info

[bobbiemcgee]

https://twitter.com/FOX19Jeremy/status/1504283611968819203

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I guess the players have been told Miller has been hired.

Wow, don’t toy with me I am making a celebratory sazarec.

[Xavier]

I know this is a message board and all, but jeez do we need to post every unsubstantiated rumor? Unless you're a family member of a player I don't trust that info

Xavier fired a coach and is in the middle of landing a new one. I think rumors flying is acceptable

[SemajParlor]

That's fair. There's just no way players were informed lol

[bjf123]

I know this is a message board and all, but jeez do we need to post every unsubstantiated rumor?

So, you’re apparently new to fan message boards? [emoji3] (though I agree with you)


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[Xavier]

That's fair. There's just no way players were informed lol

Not a chance

[MHettel]

Reality check:

If XU had a coach in place ( for awhile) and that coach was reported to be sought after by South Carolina, would that be a legitimate concern?

I get leaving XU for a REALLY good job, maybe there are 10-15 out there.

But South Carolina isn’t one of them.

[STL_XUfan]

I know this is a message board and all, but jeez do we need to post every unsubstantiated rumor? Unless you're a family member of a player I don't trust that info
I agree, but then again I was in line at Baskin Robbins today when…

[GoMuskies]

I agree, but then again I was in line at Baskin Robbins today when…

I guess it's pretty serious.

[xu82]

I guess it's pretty serious.

Medium alert, it wasn’t Graeter’s.

[IM4X]

https://twitter.com/FOX19Jeremy/status/1504283611968819203

Looking good. Thanks for posting!

[D-West & PO-Z]

I feel good about Miller.

By all reports he was set to sign with South Carolina today but he had his agent reach out to X to see if they are interested in speaking. X then fires their current coach while the season is ongoing (a coach who was apparently blindsided). Miller would be the ultimate villain to put in motion a plan that gets a former assistant of his, at a program he still thinks fondly of, just to extract more money from South Carolina, a football first SEC school. I mean if that was his plan, then kudos to him for being a shrewd ruthless dude.

Also Christopher would come out looking fairly foolish himself to blindside the current guy before the completion of the season (even though letting him go was completely warranted) without being able to secure the one coach everyone knows they want.

I am nervous but feeling good about Miller to X.

[IM4X]

Let’s get this done and make it Miller Time so I can buy a case of Miller Genuine Draft and celebrate.

Funny. I used to love that beer back when I was at X. Don’t think I’ve had it since.

[xukeith]

What’s the status of Kam Craft and Tyler Ward?

[Caveat]

Miller has an offer from Xavier, an offer from South Carolina and an offer from a 3rd "major conference" school currently.

There is probably going to be a resolution quickly, possibly as early as tomorrow morning. Xavier feels good, but they're competing with deeper pockets.

Unless there was a meeting in Oakley tonight over drinks, none of the players had a meeting with anyone tonight.

[AZtoCA]

Miller is the perfect style coach for X and the Big EAST I don't think he will leave this time

( If he does I think he's making a big mistake )

[Strange Brew]

Miller has an offer from Xavier, an offer from South Carolina and an offer from a 3rd "major conference" school currently.

There is probably going to be a resolution quickly, possibly as early as tomorrow morning. Xavier feels good, but they're competing with deeper pockets.

Unless there was a meeting in Oakley tonight over drinks, none of the players had a meeting with anyone tonight.

Hmmm, did they meet with JP at RPs?

[Caveat]

Hmmm, did they meet with JP at RPs?

Not at RPs, but everyone appeared to be fully clothed at least.

[IM4X]

From piecing all of the bits of information together, it seems like it could be further along than we think.

In fact, I think Sean already let Christopher’s people know through his agent that he would take the X job if offered today.

I think after getting that message, Christopher told Miller’s people, “We need 100% confirmation. If he can give me his word he will accept, I will make the move so we can get this done and he can come home to X and be introduced right away.”

I think Miller then said, “Tell them I am taking the X job.”

Then Christopher called Travis in for the meeting to say they were going a new direction.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Then miller is seen getting out of car in the rain ready take the Ohio State job. Until we hear his name it's just speculation. But I have full confidence in the internet sleuths that he will be here and will be in the stands Sunday

[xukeith]

Then miller is seen getting out of car in the rain ready take the Ohio State job. Until we hear his name it's just speculation. But I have full confidence in the internet sleuths that he will be here and will be in the stands Sunday

Hopefully while in South Carolina, he can stop south in Atlanta to secure Kam Craft

[paulxu]

It may not mean much, but basketball is trending up in the SEC.
I think they put more teams in the tourney than BE or ACC.
I'm hoping Miller comes here, while still being unsettled by the process with Steele.
Life goes on.

[HAAS_U]

It may not mean much, but basketball is trending up in the SEC.
I think they put more teams in the tourney than BE or ACC.
I'm hoping Miller comes here, while still being unsettled by the process with Steele.
Life goes on.

SEC, BE got the same numbers of teams in the tourney this year (6); ACC got 5. But point taken, definitely feels like the SEC has been focusing on improving the basketball side overall these last few years. It wasn’t that long ago the conference only had 3 teams in the tourney in a down year.

[American X]

If not Xavier, Miller is way better than South Carolina (e.g. Maryland or Florida).

[webxu]

I truly feel for Steele if everything that went down the way its been reported here. The man has been in our program for 14 years and was integral to our success. He deserved a shot to lead the program at that time, but unfortunately he/we didnt achieve anywhere near the success we are accustom to. I think moving on was the right call as he had lost the fan base. I will say the timing was very curious if it will be any one else other than Miller. Aside from Miller everyone linked could have waited until the NIT/NCAA tournaments finish up. If Miller does come back, he immediately becomes the 2nd best coach in the BE, and given where the program is now, i believe he finishes his career here and finally gets us to a Final 4. Heck, Buick rebranded all their lines the last few years, so they are much closer to the class of a Lexus ;)

[drudy23]

It's pretty obvious Steele was let go to make a play at Miller and only Miller. He's the guy Christopher wants. If that's the case, they better be damn sure Miller is the guy.

If Miller is truly getting his buddy fired and using X as leverage for more money somewhere else, that's pretty damn savage. Because of that, I think we see a Miller announcement very soon.

If not, Christopher got played big time and will have major egg on his face.

[UCGRAD4X]

It's pretty obvious Steele was let go to make a play at Miller and only Miller. He's the guy Christopher wants. If that's the case, they better be damn sure Miller is the guy.

If Miller is truly getting his buddy fired and using X as leverage for more money somewhere else, that's pretty damn savage. Because of that, I think we see a Miller announcement very soon.

If not, Christopher got played big time and will have major egg on his face.

Yup, and should put him hot on the heels of the Tin Man.

[American X]

It's pretty obvious Steele was let go to make a play at Miller and only Miller. He's the guy Christopher wants. If that's the case, they better be damn sure Miller is the guy.

If Miller is truly getting his buddy fired and using X as leverage for more money somewhere else, that's pretty damn savage. Because of that, I think we see a Miller announcement very soon.

If not, Christopher got played big time and will have major egg on his face.

Then that is a hopeful indication, but if the contrary is true that is a firing squad scenario for Christopher.

[paulxu]

It's not a good look for the school either way.
The guy who hired Steele for X in the first place comes to town, is invited to the game, gives speech to the team, etc.,etc.
Apparently helps to fire the team up.
The next thing you know the big switch is on.
And life goes on.

[xuwillie]

It's not a good look for the school either way.
The guy who hired Steele for X in the first place comes to town, is invited to the game, gives speech to the team, etc.,etc.
Apparently helps to fire the team up.
The next thing you know the big switch is on.
And life goes on.

Yes but all steele had to do was win. Now if he had done that then I think X looks bad.

[drudy23]

It's not a good look for the school either way.
The guy who hired Steele for X in the first place comes to town, is invited to the game, gives speech to the team, etc.,etc.
Apparently helps to fire the team up.
The next thing you know the big switch is on.
And life goes on.

If it ends in X getting their guy, I disagree. In fact, I think it shows they are willing to do what it takes for the success of the program.

If it doesn't work out, that's a different story. It's a risk for Christopher, but even if it doesn't work out, I respect them taking some risk here. It's what you have to do sometimes, and I think they realize this hire is critical.

Risk is a spectrum - it shouldn't be avoided.

[GoMuskies]

I'm a hard disagree with it seems everyone here. Whether he gets Miller or not, firing Steele was the right call. Could they have done it Monday instead of Wednesday? Sure. If they did it to make a play for Miller and that doesn't work out, I'm not going to be upset they took their shot. I'd have been pissed if they thought it was a Hail Mary to get Miller and still DIDN'T fire Steele on Wednesday to try and make it happen even if it was a longshot. Christopher is riding high in my book unless and until the next guy doesn't work out, whether it's Miller or someone else.

[paulxu]

I'm a hard disagree with it seems everyone here.

I think everyone here agrees with you, not the other way around.

I'm probably the only one here who would have been OK with another year of Steele.

[Blue Blooded-05]

I'm a hard disagree with it seems everyone here. Whether he gets Miller or not, firing Steele was the right call. Could they have done it Monday instead of Wednesday? Sure. If they did it to make a play for Miller and that doesn't work out, I'm not going to be upset they took their shot. I'd have been pissed if they thought it was a Hail Mary to get Miller and still DIDN'T fire Steele on Wednesday to try and make it happen even if it was a longshot. Christopher is riding high in my book unless and until the next guy doesn't work out, whether it's Miller or someone else.

I agree with this. My respect for Christopher went up significantly even if it turns out Miller played him.

If it works out, it's one of the most legendary maneuvers in the history of this program. If he got played for leverage, we didn't want Miller anyway. He at least proved to me he has a backbone and is willing to do what it takes.

Still hopeful. I'd rather be in our position right now than theirs.

[RoseyMuskie]

I'm a hard disagree with it seems everyone here. Whether he gets Miller or not, firing Steele was the right call. Could they have done it Monday instead of Wednesday? Sure. If they did it to make a play for Miller and that doesn't work out, I'm not going to be upset they took their shot. I'd have been pissed if they thought it was a Hail Mary to get Miller and still DIDN'T fire Steele on Wednesday to try and make it happen even if it was a longshot. Christopher is riding high in my book unless and until the next guy doesn't work out, whether it's Miller or someone else.

This is how I feel. Could Christopher have played this slightly differently, sure? He could’ve accelerated the termination to Selection Sunday. But I tend to think Miller, at a minimum, hears out other offers. So we are probably in the same boat today.

He’s giving Xavier a darn good chance at a coach who would demand respect from Big East Opponents. And even if he doesn’t land Miller, firing Steele was the right call / GC should be afforded a second hire.

And it’s not like GC was sitting on the sidelines this whole time. He was back-channeling since Butler.

[GoMuskies]

No, I think most wanted Steele out. My main disagreement is that it's a disaster for Christopher if he doesn't land Miller. Completely disagree. He can still nail this without Miller.

But I do hope it's Miller.

OK, seems not everyone disagrees!

[boozehound]

If not Xavier, Miller is way better than South Carolina (e.g. Maryland or Florida).

I agree. SC is kind of a shit job. I wouldn't be surprised if Miller is using it as leverage to get other schools to put up or shut up. His situation is still a little strange with the whole FBI investigation thing, so there may have been several schools (very much including Xavier) mulling over the risk-reward. Sean having an offer allows them to create a fear of missing out. I doubt Miller really wants to end up at SC.


It's pretty obvious Steele was let go to make a play at Miller and only Miller. He's the guy Christopher wants. If that's the case, they better be damn sure Miller is the guy.

If Miller is truly getting his buddy fired and using X as leverage for more money somewhere else, that's pretty damn savage. Because of that, I think we see a Miller announcement very soon.

If not, Christopher got played big time and will have major egg on his face.

Totally agree with all of this. Not sure it's a disaster, but it makes Christopher look much worse than he would have if they have just fired Travis either (1) at the end of the regular season, or (2) after the NIT is over. Honestly if it goes down this way, I'm OK not getting Sean Miller.

[Caveat]

Dismissing Steele was 1,000% the correct move.

Even if they don't get Miller, it was the correct move.

Dismissing Steele *right now* was 1,000% the correct move too. The last thing this program needed was Steele stumbling through an NIT run, winning some games, and making himself more difficult to fire.

Everything I've heard said that today should be interesting, so buckle up.

[American X]

I'm probably the only one here who would have been OK with another year of Steele.

You are on an island, my friend. I hope you are accompanied by a rum drink and bikini-clad girl.


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[Xavier]

If firing him now wasn’t to make a push for Sean then I’d disagree with the timing. Either do it before NIT and don’t accept bid or do it before and say after season parting ways. This seems too abrupt if it wasn’t a ploy to get Sean

[xavierj]

Dismissing Steele was 1,000% the correct move.

Even if they don't get Miller, it was the correct move.

Dismissing Steele *right now* was 1,000% the correct move too. The last thing this program needed was Steele stumbling through an NIT run, winning some games, and making himself more difficult to fire.

Everything I've heard said that today should be interesting, so buckle up.

I disagree. You don’t even fire Travis unless you have the guy everyone wants. Travis was a 16 year employee who won nearly 60% of his games, 72% in the non conference. Lost 11 non Conference games in 4 years and only one to UC who is a mid major. Went 3-1 against his rivals and was probably 4 games away from being in the NCAA tourney every year they had it. Also this was Travis first time as a head coach and everyone knew it. If Xavier does not get miller, loses all three highly rated recruits, while paying Travis $2.7 million to walk and then you end up with a mediocre Dennis gates or Pat Kelsey, it will be an absolute cluster fuck disaster.

[OTRMUSKIE]

That island is a rock in the middle of the ocean surrounded by tiny Travis Steeles trying to share that 4ftx4ft rock. Ain't nobody want Steele as head coach and I bet his wife doesn't either.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I disagree. You don’t even fire Travis unless you have the guy everyone wants. Travis was a 16 year employee who won nearly 60% of his games, 72% in the non conference. Lost 11 non Conference games in 4 years and only one to UC who is a mid major. Went 3-1 against his rivals and was probably 4 games away from being in the NCAA tourney every year they had it. Also this was Travis first time as a head coach and everyone knew it. If Xavier does not get miller, loses all three highly rated recruits, while paying Travis $2.7 million to walk and then you end up with a mediocre Dennis gates or Pat Kelsey, it will be an absolute cluster fuck disaster.

You lose all credibility as soon as you start naming off Steeles accomplishments. He had zero accomplishments as head coach. ZERO!!! well there was the creighton game where they were down 17 and came back. Okay one accomplishment.

[waggy]

Well we’ve definitely shown Sean we want him.

[GoMuskies]

If we end up with Kelsey, Christopher is still a hero. Just like a minor hero instead of Batman.

[GoMuskies]

Travis was a 16 year employee

I'm okay if they want to hook him up with a job in the ticket office so he can keep his health insurance.

[Xavier]

I disagree. You don’t even fire Travis unless you have the guy everyone wants. Travis was a 16 year employee who won nearly 60% of his games, 72% in the non conference. Lost 11 non Conference games in 4 years and only one to UC who is a mid major. Went 3-1 against his rivals and was probably 4 games away from being in the NCAA tourney every year they had it. Also this was Travis first time as a head coach and everyone knew it. If Xavier does not get miller, loses all three highly rated recruits, while paying Travis $2.7 million to walk and then you end up with a mediocre Dennis gates or Pat Kelsey, it will be an absolute cluster fuck disaster.

I think each season he had a few odd things, for sure. But pointing out how great the OOC has gone is the point. Last three years we got worse as season went on, rather once we played good teams and coaches. At some point you have to show some level of improvement as a coach but frankly his best year was year one (where Naji had like 4 games that saved us at the end). Keeping Steele is a sign that mediocrity, well worse than mediocrity, is acceptable

[Xavier]

If we end up with Kelsey, Christopher is still a hero. Just like a minor hero instead of Batman.

No. Id stick with Steele one more year and go after someone else at that point.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I'm okay if they want to hook him up with a job in the ticket office so he can keep his health insurance.

Hell nooooooo, he will screw that up too. I got to believe Miller is the head coach and X is just doing it's due diligence to make sure there will be no sanctions coming down on the program. That's what the waiting is for.

[GoMuskies]

No. Id stick with Steele one more year and go after someone else at that point.

I'm not advocating for Kelsey in any way shape or form. It's just that he's 10X Travis Steele. Not a huge compliment for sure.

[drudy23]

No. Id stick with Steele one more year and go after someone else at that point.

Pretty sure you can't put that genie back in the bottle.

"Um, Travis, we were just kidding, why don't ya come back for a year while we look for your replacement"

[Xavier]

Pretty sure you can't put that genie back in the bottle.

"Um, Travis, we were just kidding, why don't ya come back for a year while we look for your replacement"

Uh, ya think?? Just that if Kelsey was the plan I take my chances with Steele one more year.

[boozehound]

Uh, ya think?? Just that if Kelsey was the plan I take my chances with Steele one more year.

I might agree with that too. I'm not high on Steele, but I also don't love the idea of re-starting the 4 year 'new coach' clock with Pat Kelsey. Xavier needs to as close to a sure thing as they can get.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Dismissing Steele was 1,000% the correct move.

Even if they don't get Miller, it was the correct move.

Dismissing Steele *right now* was 1,000% the correct move too. The last thing this program needed was Steele stumbling through an NIT run, winning some games, and making himself more difficult to fire.

Everything I've heard said that today should be interesting, so buckle up.

Absolutely agree with this. Steele was a disaster. Whether or not, we get Miller, terminating Steele was the right call.

[Lamont Sanford]

Absolutely agree with this. Steele was a disaster. Whether or not, we get Miller, terminating Steele was the right call.

1000%.

With that said...finalize the deal to get Sean back home.

[paulxu]

You are on an island, my friend. I hope you are accompanied by a rum drink and bikini-clad girl.



I am indeed...Kiawah! (bourbon though)

[OTRMUSKIE]

Paul what are the rumblings in low country there? South Carolina fans are saying they got steele

[Olsingledigit]

I think each season he had a few odd things, for sure. But pointing out how great the OOC has gone is the point. Last three years we got worse as season went on, rather once we played good teams and coaches. At some point you have to show some level of improvement as a coach but frankly his best year was year one (where Naji had like 4 games that saved us at the end). Keeping Steele is a sign that mediocrity, well worse than mediocrity, is acceptable

And apparently he had lost the players and wholesale ship jumping was (is?) in store. You cannot wait any longer when that happens.

[Xavier]

Trying ton piece together everything seems like both USC and X think they are landing Sean. The more steam on USC at the moment at least on my Twitter searching.

[xavierj]

I don’t think Sean will be the next coach at Xavier. Going to be an uneasy few weeks. Hopefully we can get someone with recruiting connections because Xavier is going to need that. Next year will be really depressing it looks like.

[X Factor]

South Carolina? That would be a gut shot.

[X-Men55]

Just saw a 247 moderator has been hearing a lot of positive things about Miller to SC this morning..

[principal]

I know less than the least of you, and I have no idea what this guy's sources are or how accurate he has been in the past, but he says Miller to X is a done deal:

https://twitter.com/RumorsCoach?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp %7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Grain of salt, as far as I know. Anyone else know how right/wrong this guy/Twitterer usually is?

[BandAid]

Regardless of how this turns out, it has been tremendous theater.

[Xavier]

I know wind is blowing towards SC but I don’t buy that. It just doesn’t make sense, timing wise.

[Xavgrad08]

Is Sean still in South Carolina? I would think if it is SC we will here something today. The Fans on the South Carolina message board seem might confident which has me concerned.

[xavbball]

I disagree. You don’t even fire Travis unless you have the guy everyone wants. Travis was a 16 year employee who won nearly 60% of his games, 72% in the non conference. Lost 11 non Conference games in 4 years and only one to UC who is a mid major. Went 3-1 against his rivals and was probably 4 games away from being in the NCAA tourney every year they had it. Also this was Travis first time as a head coach and everyone knew it. If Xavier does not get miller, loses all three highly rated recruits, while paying Travis $2.7 million to walk and then you end up with a mediocre Dennis gates or Pat Kelsey, it will be an absolute cluster fuck disaster.

We would have seen more of the same if we kept Steele another year. This is a business, and it doesn't matter much what you do in the non-conference. It's how you end the season and what you do in the tournament. As a basketball school in one of the best conferences in the country, there should be no question that Steele needed to go.

[X Factor]

Regardless if we get Sean back, I think it was 100% the right decision to move on from Steele. It will suck BIG TIME if we don't get him though. It'll be a gut punch and X will be left standing at the altar.

Where's our insiders at? Anyone?

[paulxu]

The fans in South Carolina are probably a little nuttier than your average drunk fan.
Probably the presidents and AD's are the only ones who really know what's going on.
The rest of us speculate, tweet, and bitch. And if one of those turns out to be right...we get to hear forever how smart that one guy was.

Anyhow, no info from down here. Still surprised we let Steele go before the season played out unless we had someone else already committed.

[xavierj]

Regardless if we get Sean back, I think it was 100% the right decision to move on from Steele. It will suck BIG TIME if we don't get him though. It'll be a gut punch and X will be left standing at the altar.

Where's our insiders at? Anyone?

Time will tell if it was the right move. Maybe Travis should not have put his career in Paul’s hands and let him move on after last year. I am just not convinced that the AD, if he can’t get Sean, will make the right choice. I am not sure who would be a good fit to be the next coach to get us back as fast as possible, other than Sean. So if Sean is the guy we have the 2nd best coach in the league. We get anyone else we are probably still looking at the bottom of the big East barrel and the next guy might not have the recruiting ties as the guy we just let go. Basically let a guy go with only three years to build up the talent in the program. I get the results were not good, but he was close every year. Just afraid we will be looking at another three or four years with the same shit. And had to pay a bunch more for it.

[MHettel]

I know wind is blowing towards SC but I don’t buy that. It just doesn’t make sense, timing wise.

It doesnt make sense OPPORTUNITY wise.

The SEC has not been an historically deep Basketball conference. They have UK and Auburn is currently good. And Florida had a strong run about 15 years ago. LSU, Bama, Vandy, Tennessee? Now and then they are respectable. Missouri and Arkansas are more often down than up. Miss and Miss St? Georgia? And maybe the LEAST successful team is South Carolina.

Texas and Oklahoma will join soon and will help. They will be in the Top third on day 1.

South Carolina is in a tough spot trying to battle up from the bottom of a huge conference. They have no real history of success and there will be the top guys that will be there year in and year out. Their BEST case scenario is to battle for that #4 spot yearly against a group of 3-4 other teams that hit teh high point in their cycle.

Also, and reasonably important in my view, is the amount of TV exposure that the SEC gets. I dont browse my channels and see alot of South Carolina games on a regular basis. Maybe on some obscure networks?

Anyway. this is an EASY choice. I'd be more worried about Florida.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Coach rumor just said miller is the next coach. It's fine bois. Miller is the head coach. There is no way in hell he would not come here unless there will be sanctions and SC was okay with that. Tbat would be the only way he goes to SC.

[Caveat]

Anyhow, no info from down here. Still surprised we let Steele go before the season played out unless we had someone else already committed.

Word is that a major donor made the vote of no confidence on Travis.

Connecting the dots a little bit, I'm guessing that they made the move when they did because they needed to at least show they made a run at Miller -- who was apparently not shy about telling people he'd come back to Xavier.

Problem is, they're competing with way deeper pockets (plural; there's another school in the SEC after Miller) and a league that is -- frankly -- in better financial shape long-term than the Big East (which has a media rights deal expiring in 2025 and no football to force networks to the bargaining table for more money and more favorable terms).

We'll see, but everyone needs to prepare not to melt down when choice #1 goes for the money. I don't think Steele was fired explicitly with a "Miller or bust" mentality.

[beatuc]

I don't know what will happen but if Sean Miller doesn't end up at Xavier then he will never be welcome back. Just from the things that were reported and the timeline of events, it would appear he used Xavier as leverage for more money elsewhere. I would like to think Sean's agent didn't reach out to Xavier while Travis was coach for no reason. I'm optimistic this works out for us.

[Caveat]

I don't know what will happen but if Sean Miller doesn't end up at Xavier then he will never be welcome back. Just from the things that were reported and the timeline of events, it would appear he used Xavier as leverage for more money elsewhere. I would like to think Sean's agent didn't reach out to Xavier while Travis was coach for no reason. I'm optimistic this works out for us.

South Carolina has more money to offer any coaching candidate. It might not even be that Miller was using Xavier as leverage; it might simply be that South Carolina saw their top target getting away and went over the top on a contract offer. You can't fault him for taking the most money possible in that situation.

We have to be somewhat honest -- Xavier doesn't have the cash or the donor base to pay Steele to go away AND outbid a major contract from a motivated SEC school.

[SM#24]

Reality check:

If XU had a coach in place ( for awhile) and that coach was reported to be sought after by South Carolina, would that be a legitimate concern?

I get leaving XU for a REALLY good job, maybe there are 10-15 out there.

But South Carolina isn’t one of them.

Agree but the reality is there are about 40 or so jobs that can pay more. So, it depends on what's most important to him. I'm thinking we need at to pay at least $3.5M. Problem is, all of the SEC, B1G, 1/2 Big 12, 1/2 ACC can go to $5M-$6m with the blink of an eye. Not saying that would pay that right away to a new coach, but they would.

[Blue Blooded-05]

I don't know what will happen but if Sean Miller doesn't end up at Xavier then he will never be welcome back. Just from the things that were reported and the timeline of events, it would appear he used Xavier as leverage for more money elsewhere. I would like to think Sean's agent didn't reach out to Xavier while Travis was coach for no reason. I'm optimistic this works out for us.

If Miller really played X as leverage against SC, that is late 1980's Mike Tyson bare knuckle punch to the dick.

As to your other point, if Miller goes to SC, I wouldn't be surprised if he hires Steele. Xavier had success recruiting in the south during Steele's tenure, and while Steele wasn't the primary recruiter, he certainly made some connections along the way.

I am maintaining faith. Remember, Sean, we were the first ones to see your potential! Come home!!

#UnfinishedBusiness

[boozehound]

Honestly, if he goes to SC, Fuck it. They are a cellar dweller program, and it was about the money, in which case he probably wouldn't have stayed long had he come here. Also - I'm not one of them but there are a lot of people who aren't crazy about bringing back a former coach who just got fired and was (and my still be) the subject of an FBI investigation. I'm not sure they are entirely wrong about that, either.

Let's say you would pay Miller $4MM, but SC does something crazy and offers $7MM. Coach Cal, money. Is Sean worth that? You can probably get a lot of other coaches to come to X for $4.5MM. Good ones. If we can't get a good coach for that kind of cash, we are in trouble.

Getting rid of Steele was step 1. Step 2 is getting a (much) better coach, whether he is or isn't Sean Miller.

[Xavier]

I mean rumors were swirling Sean was interested for a couple months now. All of a sudden he isn’t when the job opens up and goes to bottom feeder in the SEC? He will have better jobs waiting for him if he waits a year and wants more money. Or even Florida. SC is just horrible

[boozehound]

If Miller really played X as leverage against SC, that is late 1980's Mike Tyson bare knuckle punch to the dick.

As to your other point, if Miller goes to SC, I wouldn't be surprised if he hires Steele. Xavier had success recruiting in the south during Steele's tenure, and while Steele wasn't the primary recruiter, he certainly made some connections along the way.

I am maintaining faith. Remember, Sean, we were the first ones to see your potential! Come home!!

#UnfinishedBusiness

You think he would essentially get Steele fired from Xavier (potentially) and then hire him at SC and Steele would come and coach for him? Does he get to sleep with his wife, too?

[boozehound]

I mean rumors were swirling Sean was interested for a couple months now. All of a sudden he isn’t when the job opens up and goes to bottom feeder in the SEC? He will have better jobs waiting for him if he waits a year and wants more money. Or even Florida. SC is just horrible

Right. There is just no reason to go to SC. Unless (as someone else speculated) there are potential sanctions coming and SC is willing to ignore that while other schools want some type of indemnity from Miller should that happen.

[Caveat]

You think he would essentially get Steele fired from Xavier (potentially) and then hire him at SC and Steele would come and coach for him? Does he get to sleep with his wife, too?

Steele was dead man walking regardless of the Sean Miller situation, IMO.

I think the only thing Miller's availability did was force the move now v. at the conclusion of the NIT.

[Fireball]

I'm not in the know at all, but I'd say it much more likely that Miller is using South Carolina to get more money out of X than he is using X to get more money out of SC.

X is a much better job, money aside, and with history here, he likely is trying to get Xavier to really commit to him, in dollars and in years.

He knows darn well that Xavier isn't going to compete with an SEC school in dollars. If that was his main focus, he wouldn't even have flirted with X.

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[waggy]

I don’t know why we’d care - we’re essentially on probation with Steele coaching

[xavbball]

If I'm to believe many of these "sources," we put up a very competitive offer that makes South Carolina have to overpay to get Miller. He's a great coach, but I'm not sure he's worth the money I'm hearing South Carolina is willing to offer. We have a great program, some of the best facilities in the country, and are built to compete at the highest level of NCAA basketball. If he's interested in reaching the final 2% and building a powerhouse program, the choice is easy. If he goes to South Carolina, we will know it's because of the money.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Right. There is just no reason to go to SC. Unless (as someone else speculated) there are potential sanctions coming and SC is willing to ignore that while other schools want some type of indemnity from Miller should that happen.

Wasn't Christopher on the NCAA Infractions Committee? Seems to me he is well aware of this point and knows the potential consequences.

[flatspat]

I don’t know why we’d care - we’re essentially on probation with Steele coaching

Double secret probation

[bleedXblue]

If I'm to believe many of these "sources," we put up a very competitive offer that makes South Carolina have to overpay to get Miller. He's a great coach, but I'm not sure he's worth the money I'm hearing South Carolina is willing to offer. We have a great program, some of the best facilities in the country, and are built to compete at the highest level of NCAA basketball. If he's interested in reaching the final 2% and building a powerhouse program, the choice is easy. If he goes to South Carolina, we will know it's because of the money.

colmbia, sc is a shit hole total dump of a city

[waggy]

Arizona the institution is responsible for whatever happened there.

[Caveat]

If I'm to believe many of these "sources," we put up a very competitive offer that makes South Carolina have to overpay to get Miller. He's a great coach, but I'm not sure he's worth the money I'm hearing South Carolina is willing to offer. We have a great program, some of the best facilities in the country, and are built to compete at the highest level of NCAA basketball. If he's interested in reaching the final 2% and building a powerhouse program, the choice is easy. If he goes to South Carolina, we will know it's because of the money.

There is a third school in the south CHOMPING for Miller as well that might complicate things as well.

I've heard the same thing about money. At this point, the choice for Miller is where does he want to coach and live. He knows this city, he knows this school, and he knows he'll get a way longer rope to build things here than he will in Carolina or elsewhere. On the other hand, he's almost certainly going to make more money going someplace else.

He's just gotta make a life decision here and then everyone can move on.

[xukeith]

I can only imagine Miller would go to SC because of money. It is a lower program in SEC that recently been to Final 4.
They might afford to shell out $4-6 million including bonuses. It is unique and perhaps his wife has warm memories of Myrtle Beach vacations.

Anybody know ages of Miller's kids?

[SM#24]

There's a belief in the NCAA coaching community that the best jobs are any job that is one of the top 3 in your conference. SC is not that. X in the Big East I think is or we're at least in a group 4 behind Villanova.

[GoMuskies]

colmbia, sc is a shit hole total dump of a city

It's not awful, but it's jungle hot in the summer. Pretty sure Gainesville, FL also kind of sucks.

[Xavgrad08]

Anybody know ages of Miller's kids?[/QUOTE]

Sean’s youngest is in college.( not sure where). His oldest is a practicing attorney in Colorado.

[waggy]

If X loses it will be because of millions of dollars per year. At that point I think you need to evaluate how you’re spending the resources you have…. In pro sports the players make the most money. Just sayin.