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XU_Lou
03-18-2022, 07:05 PM
From Adam Baum less than an hour ago:

"The biggest hurdles to overcome right now are that other schools are further along in the process with Miller, and there are questions regarding the NCAA investigation into alleged infractions from his time at Arizona, sources said."

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2022/03/18/some-clarity-sean-miller-and-search-xaviers-next-coach/7090280001/

This article seems to suggest that the investigation is a sticking point for hiring Miller???

bjf123
03-18-2022, 07:13 PM
This article seems to suggest that the investigation is a sticking point for hiring Miller???

It’s certainly something that has to be considered.


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Xavier
03-18-2022, 07:16 PM
I think it’s more due diligence and how to construct the contract with unknowns. I expect the offer to come if it hasn’t yet.

xuphan
03-18-2022, 07:22 PM
I think it’s more due diligence and how to construct the contract with unknowns. I expect the offer to come if it hasn’t yet.

Wonder how long Christopher can keep the team and recruits together if it is going to take some time to sort out the potential violations on Miller?

Masterofreality
03-18-2022, 07:24 PM
Wonder how long Christopher can keep the team and recruits together if it is going to take some time to sort out the potential violations on Miller?

If they keep winning NIT games that’s not a problem

Tim
03-18-2022, 07:29 PM
I'm sure I'm not the only one who would welcome Miller back with open arms even if the ncaa suspends him for up to a full season. Happy to trade away one season for 10 to 15 good ones.

MHettel
03-18-2022, 07:30 PM
I think it’s more due diligence and how to construct the contract with unknowns. I expect the offer to come if it hasn’t yet.

This.

The legal and compliance diligence that needs to be done is significant. Accept that as fact or not. But it’s necessary for our legal teams to sign off on this.

It can’t just be “South Carolina was willing to hire him, so that’s enough for us”. No, it’s full diligence performed to the satisfaction of our legal and compliance teams.

That would take a little time in this situation.

Id be shocked if Miller hadn’t already paid for a third party (independent) review of his hirability by a known firm that could investigate such matters. Having a law firm sign off on the fact that he’s clean will expedite the hiring. But we would still need time to review their approach and findings.

Not worth it if he’s tainted.

We know this. He knows this. Delay is not reason for alarm

markchal
03-18-2022, 07:53 PM
Wonder how long Christopher can keep the team and recruits together if it is going to take some time to sort out the potential violations on Miller?

I would be beyond shocked if any of our recruits ended up coming next year.

D-West & PO-Z
03-18-2022, 07:56 PM
I think it’s more due diligence and how to construct the contract with unknowns. I expect the offer to come if it hasn’t yet.

Exactly. There are several coaches in positions still that they had then that were also being investigated. It's not like he is facing a show cause penalty. Slap on the wrist would be all.

D-West & PO-Z
03-18-2022, 07:58 PM
If they keep winning NIT games that’s not a problem

For the players, not necessarily the recruits though.

Although if we get Miller, it will have been worth any lost player or recruit no matter how long it takes. Miller will be infinitely more valuable than any current or potential player we have.

xukeith
03-18-2022, 08:26 PM
I would be beyond shocked if any of our recruits ended up coming next year.

Why Shocked?

I am sure other coaches are in their ears despite all 3 recruits having signed commitments.

I think I read that Kam Craft and his dad are just waiting to find out who the next coach is before deciding anything.

Maybe Steele has contacted all 3 and is steering them away to his next school? I don't know.
I would not be shocked if one recruit stayed or left.

JTG
03-18-2022, 08:50 PM
I'm sure I'm not the only one who would welcome Miller back with open arms even if the ncaa suspends him for up to a full season. Happy to trade away one season for 10 to 15 good ones.

Mr Sleaze himself, Bruce Pearl, got a 2 game suspension for virtually the same offense. And is humming along in the NCAA with Auburn.

noteggs
03-18-2022, 08:53 PM
From Adam Baum less than an hour ago:

"The biggest hurdles to overcome right now are that other schools are further along in the process with Miller, and there are questions regarding the NCAA investigation into alleged infractions from his time at Arizona, sources said."

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2022/03/18/some-clarity-sean-miller-and-search-xaviers-next-coach/7090280001/

This article seems to suggest that the investigation is a sticking point for hiring Miller???

Definitely was on Wednesday. Not sure what has transpired since then because my source is now in a bunker.

JTG
03-18-2022, 08:56 PM
I would be beyond shocked if any of our recruits ended up coming next year.

You don't think they or their parents or advisors are smart enough to research that Miller is a top 20 college coach and not just a salesman.

principal
03-18-2022, 09:08 PM
Definitely was on Wednesday. Not sure what has transpired since then because my source is now in a bunker.

They fired Steele without thinking through the fact Miller had baggage? Oops.

Caveat
03-18-2022, 09:11 PM
They fired Steele without thinking through the fact Miller had baggage? Oops.

The fired Steele because significant people connected to the program demanded it.

principal
03-18-2022, 09:12 PM
The fired Steele because significant people connected to the program demanded it.

Let me reword my question, they fired Steele at a very strange time without thinking through Miller’s baggage?

Xavier
03-18-2022, 09:17 PM
I don’t have sources on this. But my overall feel is SC offered. Sean was ready to take but wanted to give X a shot. They got rid of Steele and are putting together the offer. USC thought it was a done deal, now they don’t. Sean is getting “cold feet”. He is absolutely waiting for X to offer. And Xavier will offer. They are going through all the steps first, but my gut says Greg told Sean an offer is coming just give us time to do the due diligence with the board, etc.

Sean is giving time because he wants it/ but reports are SC is starting to interview other candidates. This is pure speculation/ I think all signs are pointing to X. I guess the only hold up will be if some board members change things up….but ultimately the offer will come and Sean will take it.

xu82
03-18-2022, 09:20 PM
Let me reword my question, they fired Steele at a very strange time without thinking through Miller’s baggage?

They fired Steele when they did because it made sense given all factors involved. He was going to go, regardless. If it helped in any way to give us a step up on Miller, it was well worth it.

IM4X
03-18-2022, 09:24 PM
We are on only on day 2 now. Although it feels like forever ago.

That is so true. Every day feels like a week.

IM4X
03-18-2022, 09:36 PM
I don’t have sources on this. But my overall feel is SC offered. Sean was ready to take but wanted to give X a shot. They got rid of Steele and are putting together the offer. USC thought it was a done deal, now they don’t. Sean is getting “cold feet”. He is absolutely waiting for X to offer. And Xavier will offer. They are going through all the steps first, but my gut says Greg told Sean an offer is coming just give us time to do the due diligence with the board, etc.

Sean is giving time because he wants it/ but reports are SC is starting to interview other candidates. This is pure speculation/ I think all signs are pointing to X. I guess the only hold up will be if some board members change things up….but ultimately the offer will come and Sean will take it.

This all feels very plausible and very similar to how I imagined it happened, but I have a feeling when Miller’s agent reached out to X (which is the story I saw somewhere), he assured Greg that Sean would accept the job if offered. It is the only way it makes sense for the timing of the Steele’s firing. Had the agent said to Greg, “Sean is interested in the X job, if it were available” Greg would likely have said, “I can make it available, but I need a commitment that Sean will take it and I will need to make sure everyone would be on board- but I imagine they would be.”

Masterofreality
03-18-2022, 09:39 PM
The fired Steele because significant people connected to the program demanded it.

This is correct

xu82
03-18-2022, 10:10 PM
This is correct

I’m just guessing, but it probably wasn't something I posted 50 pages ago.

bobbiemcgee
03-18-2022, 10:26 PM
You don't think they or their parents or advisors are smart enough to research that Miller is a top 20 college coach and not just a salesman.

Creighton did pretty well with transfers.

xukeith
03-18-2022, 10:33 PM
This all feels very plausible and very similar to how I imagined it happened, but I have a feeling when Miller’s agent reached out to X (which is the story I saw somewhere), he assured Greg that Sean would accept the job if offered. It is the only way it makes sense for the timing of the Steele’s firing. Had the agent said to Greg, “Sean is interested in the X job, if it were available” Greg would likely have said, “I can make it available, but I need a commitment that Sean will take it and I will need to make sure everyone would be on board- but I imagine they would be.”

I can’t imagine Christopher sticking his neck out with a verbal commitment without seeing Miller’s infractions and assurances that X has nothing to worry about.

xu82
03-18-2022, 10:35 PM
I can’t imagine Christopher sticking his neck out with a verbal commitment without seeing Miller’s infractions and assurances that X has nothing to worry about.

We were making a change regardless, I’m pretty sure.

American X
03-18-2022, 10:39 PM
If Miller is looking for a bigger opportunity that pays way more, he can fill the vacancy at Kentucky. Then Xavier can hire Calipari. He will fit right in on Victory Parkway.

noteggs
03-18-2022, 10:46 PM
I can’t imagine Christopher sticking his neck out with a verbal commitment without seeing Miller’s infractions and assurances that X has nothing to worry about.

Yes for the most part

XUBison
03-18-2022, 11:03 PM
Creighton did pretty well with transfers.

Ugh, for the umpteenth time, they had a top 20 recruiting class. I think they only had one transfer this year.

BandAid
03-19-2022, 12:29 AM
The fired Steele because significant people connected to the program demanded it.

Aaaand we are some of those people, right?

OTRMUSKIE
03-19-2022, 01:14 AM
Correct ! My 756 fire Steele threads dating back to 2020 had to play a roll. I'm sure I'm on Steeles hit list .

UCGRAD4X
03-19-2022, 07:48 AM
Correct ! My 756 fire Steele threads dating back to 2020 had to play a roll. I'm sure I'm on Steeles hit list .

Seems only fair since he was clearly on yours.

markchal
03-19-2022, 08:43 AM
Why Shocked?

I am sure other coaches are in their ears despite all 3 recruits having signed commitments.

I think I read that Kam Craft and his dad are just waiting to find out who the next coach is before deciding anything.

Maybe Steele has contacted all 3 and is steering them away to his next school? I don't know.
I would not be shocked if one recruit stayed or left.

These are top-level recruits who've had other coaches in their ears for years...they have no relationship with Miller (or whoever comes next) so it's very unlikely they'd stick around.

Masterofreality
03-19-2022, 08:50 AM
Aaaand we are some of those people, right?

Yup. "Significant" might be hyperbole.
BUT, Adam Baum does refer to "social media" in his articles, that, I am 100% positive, included this board.

My condolences to Final 4.

Masterofreality
03-19-2022, 09:53 AM
Doesn't everybody think it would be appropriate that exactly 9 years to the day that Xavier announced it's entry into the Big East that we announce our grand REENTRY into the Big East with a Sean Miller announcement?

Masterofreality
03-19-2022, 10:11 AM
A buddy of mine just brought this up.

I can't recall any other protocol for a school announcing a new coach while the existing team is still playing. Can anyone else?
Out of respect for Jonas, and not to take away the focus from the existing team, Xavier may not announce anything until those guys are done, even though they have a signed agreement with Sean.

GoMuskies
03-19-2022, 10:17 AM
A buddy of mine just brought this up.

I can't recall any other protocol for a school announcing a new coach while the existing team is still playing. Can anyone else?
Out of respect for Jonas, and not to take away the focus from the existing team, Xavier may not announce anything until those guys are done, even though they have a signed agreement with Sean.

Our opponent tomorrow literally announced their new coach yesterday.

SM#24
03-19-2022, 10:21 AM
Our opponent tomorrow literally announced their new coach yesterday.

And football teams do it all the time.

Masterofreality
03-19-2022, 10:22 AM
Our opponent tomorrow literally announced their new coach yesterday.

Did they? Who? The San Francisco guy?

SM#24
03-19-2022, 10:24 AM
These are top-level recruits who've had other coaches in their ears for years...they have no relationship with Miller (or whoever comes next) so it's very unlikely they'd stick around.

I actually believe that Sean between available high school recruits and the transfer portal, could end up with a better class if all three of our current recruits leave.
Even if it's not Sean, I don't think we would have a 0 for the class. Different environment today, see Iowa St and TJ Otzelberger (who by the way, we interviewed when we chose Travis).

SM#24
03-19-2022, 10:25 AM
Did they? Who? The San Francisco guy?

Yes, Todd Golden

xavierj
03-19-2022, 10:49 AM
I actually believe that Sean between available high school recruits and the transfer portal, could end up with a better class if all three of our current recruits leave.
Even if it's not Sean, I don't think we would have a 0 for the class. Different environment today, see Iowa St and TJ Otzelberger (who by the way, we interviewed when we chose Travis).

Agree. Also it wouldn’t be the worse thing to drag out having Sean sign a contact. He is free right now to contact and recruit whoever he wants.

xuphan
03-19-2022, 10:58 AM
Agree. Also it wouldn’t be the worse thing to drag out having Sean sign a contact. He is free right now to contact and recruit whoever he wants.

I think we keep at least 1 recruit and lose at least 1 recruit. So, we either get 1-2 to stay with the new coach or we lose 1-2 with the new coach. I would also expect multiple players to transfer from the current team. Hopefully the new coach can find Big East Caliber shooters and bigs in the portal.

webxu
03-19-2022, 11:12 AM
I believe someone else brought this up previously, but it is a valid point. If $ was the main factor for Miller, he of all people knows what Xavier can offer or is willing to offer, so if that was the reason why would he even listen to us? SC has much deeper pockets. Just something to chew on..

muskiefan82
03-19-2022, 11:19 AM
I'd like to know what Mrs.Miller thinks. If you think she isn't a huge part of this decision, you're not married

Blue Blooded-05
03-19-2022, 11:27 AM
I'd like to know what Mrs.Miller thinks. If you think she isn't a huge part of this decision, you're not married

Hopefully she’s bizarro Christi Mack

OTRMUSKIE
03-19-2022, 11:27 AM
My personal opinion at this point is Xavier is just waiting for the season to be over to announce Miller. It's a respect thing for the coaches still playing. Miller prob even told Gregory that. Since Miller is allowed to talk to recruits (allegedly) there is no reason to rush the announcement. Let Xavier finish out the season and in two weeks if not sooner , you can name Miller HC.

xavierj
03-19-2022, 11:30 AM
I believe someone else brought this up previously, but it is a valid point. If $ was the main factor for Miller, he of all people knows what Xavier can offer or is willing to offer, so if that was the reason why would he even listen to us? SC has much deeper pockets. Just something to chew on..

Yeah I just don’t think South Carolina went all crazy money with their offer to Sean. They pay the football coach $2.75 mil and with Sean coming with what he brings with the NCAA, not sure they are offering anything more than $3 mil, if that.

bjf123
03-19-2022, 11:32 AM
Yeah I just don’t think South Carolina went all crazy money with their offer to Sean. They pay the football coach $2.75 mil and with Sean coming with what he brings with the NCAA, not sure they are offering anything more than $3 mil, if that.

The SEC is still a football first conference. I don’t see them paying the basketball coach more than the football coach. Just my opinion.

XUBison
03-19-2022, 11:50 AM
It is amazing how the rumor mill has grinded to a halt.

xu82
03-19-2022, 11:56 AM
Our imaginations must be exhausted!

OTRMUSKIE
03-19-2022, 11:59 AM
Jon Rothstein

@JonRothstein

Sources: Xavier is targeting Sean Miller to return as the school's next head basketball coach.

The two sides met on Friday.

Miller has also been prioritized by South Carolina to fill its head coaching vacancy.

Backyard Champ
03-19-2022, 12:00 PM
My personal opinion at this point is Xavier is just waiting for the season to be over to announce Miller. It's a respect thing for the coaches still playing. Miller prob even told Gregory that. Since Miller is allowed to talk to recruits (allegedly) there is no reason to rush the announcement. Let Xavier finish out the season and in two weeks if not sooner , you can name Miller HC.

It’s been a wild few days, but I’d be interested to see a post that was a timeline of OTRMuskie’s posts. This guy has been ALL over the place. High of highs, to lowest of lows, to calm reactions like above- sometimes just minutes apart. I can’t imagine the roller coaster of emotions he’s been on in just a few days.

All in good fun, we are all passionate. Go Muskies

#Millertime

MHettel
03-19-2022, 12:00 PM
The theory that we may not announce a hiring until the season is over could be reasonable.

But, if it’s essentially a done deal then out of courtesy Miller would let SC know that he’s off the table. Would be VERY interesting if the rumor mill about who SC is pursuing started pointed to other candidates and it would be really interesting if they announced a hire other than Miller

xuphan
03-19-2022, 12:08 PM
I'm here to bring the rumor mill back baby!!!

X has not put the offer together yet. They are worried about what kind of punishment he might get. Miller was in town yesterday.
BOOM! There ya go. My source is Tom my buddy. Who just text me things he gets from the pay site.

You are sharing paywall site information on here? Thought that was a no no.

OTRMUSKIE
03-19-2022, 12:10 PM
I think you keep SC on the back burner just to have that wildcard in case things don't go as planned. Xavier obviously is the team he wants to coach but Xavier has to protect its interest. If Miller is going to be punished then we may have to pass. This obviously takes time to figure out I would assume. The ball is in Xaviers court. SC is interviewing other coaches bc they know Miller is probably a lost cause. If Wes Miller really is a candidate for SC, this would be a good time to accept it. He hasn't built a reputation at Cincy yet and I assume his recruiting classes don't extend too far out. Of course the transfer portal makes all teams capable right away. See Iowa State

OTRMUSKIE
03-19-2022, 12:12 PM
Is there a written rule that says I cant share information from a friend? If that's the case then anybody who has ESPN
+ would be sharing paid information. Or are we just trying to be respectful because we don't want to upset the moderators on musketeerscoop.

IM4X
03-19-2022, 12:13 PM
I can’t imagine Christopher sticking his neck out with a verbal commitment without seeing Miller’s infractions and assurances that X has nothing to worry about.

It makes sense that the reason Miller did not just take the SC job right away is because he really wanted the X job if it was going to be open. Upon hearing this news from Miller’s agent, Christopher got confirmation that he would take it and then let Steele go. Now he is looking into what the infractions could be and talking with the administration about how they can proceed so this works and doesn’t blow up in their face.

xuphan
03-19-2022, 12:14 PM
Is there a written rule that says I can share information from a friend? If that's the case then anybody who has ESPN
+ would be sharing paid information. Or are we just trying to be respectful because we don't want to upset the moderators on musketeerscoop.

I was giving you a hard time. I honestly don’t care if you share paywall content on here but others may have a different opinion.

XU-PA
03-19-2022, 12:15 PM
Rumor? probably.
Truth? Maybe!
4 year deal
$6 million per
Done

XUBison
03-19-2022, 12:16 PM
The theory that we may not announce a hiring until the season is over could be reasonable.

But, if it’s essentially a done deal then out of courtesy Miller would let SC know that he’s off the table. Would be VERY interesting if the rumor mill about who SC is pursuing started pointed to other candidates and it would be really interesting if they announced a hire other than Miller

I don’t know, this doesn’t make sense to me. I would think X would want to let the current players and incoming recruits know who our coaches as soon as we have one. Players are also already entering the portal, and the coach will need time to work it hard. I get that Miller could be working contacts under the radar, but if I were a recruit, I would be a little sketched out if he were telling me he were “unofficially“ the new coach at X. Whoever it is will have a lot of work ahead to salvage what he can for next season.

Title
03-19-2022, 12:18 PM
I can't wait for Miller in the BigEast. It'll be so much fun watching him get out coached over and over again. Get real, this guy can't win without having vastly superior talent. He can't do that unless he is paying recruits, or bringing in future felons and malcontents.

Good Luck, it'll be interesting watching this pending trainwreck.

IM4X
03-19-2022, 12:21 PM
Also, Mack said if things don't work with Miller he will be willing to come back to X . Also per Tom

No thanks.

He already dissed X. Said he couldn’t recruit well at X. Said the ACC was the best conference when he took the Louisville job. Throws players and coaches under the bus. He was often a dick to the media. At times he was even rude to alumni. Louisville fired him for numerous reasons including his record. He lost the players at Louisville who didn’t even want him anymore. How many red flags does a person have to have before it becomes a hard pass?

We don’t want Mack back. No thank you! This school has too much integrity.

XUBison
03-19-2022, 12:25 PM
It makes sense that the reason Miller did not just take the SC job right away is because he really wanted the X job if it was going to be open. Upon hearing this news from Miller’s agent, Christopher got confirmation that he would take it and then let Steele go. Now he is looking into what the infractions could be and talking with the administration about how they can proceed so this works and doesn’t blow up in their face.

I don’t see why X would be concerned about any NCAA ramifications. Maybe Sean would face some sort of suspension potentially, but why would anything come down on X for what happened at Arizona? It’s also not like the NCAA has come down hard on any of the other violators. Now, if Sean is still embroiled in an FBI investigation, X may want nothing to do with the feds.

OTRMUSKIE
03-19-2022, 12:25 PM
Yeah I agree, Mack is the last guy on the list. Only way I hire him is if Skip Prosser gave his blessings. I do agree with title that Miller can only win with superior talent. TBATS FHE WHOLE FUCKING POINT YOU MORON!

jhelmes37
03-19-2022, 12:26 PM
It is amazing how the rumor mill has grinded to a halt.

When things get really quiet that usually means things are close to being done and nobody wants to leak the announcement early. [emoji102]

SM#24
03-19-2022, 12:26 PM
I think you're OK sharing all you want from Musketeer Scoop.
MusketeerReport is a different matter.

OTRMUSKIE
03-19-2022, 12:27 PM
Musketeer scoop is where I get all my secret info!!!!

xavierj
03-19-2022, 12:31 PM
I can't wait for Miller in the BigEast. It'll be so much fun watching him get out coached over and over again. Get real, this guy can't win without having vastly superior talent. He can't do that unless he is paying recruits, or bringing in future felons and malcontents.

Good Luck, it'll be interesting watching this pending trainwreck.

Wait… Xavier was paying players? Bj Raymond and CWeez were commanding big money?

SM#24
03-19-2022, 12:32 PM
Musketeer scoop is where I get all my secret info!!!!

Though that site was dead.

XU_Lou
03-19-2022, 12:52 PM
This is just a thought exercise....

If Miller is hired, and if the NCAA punishes him with an extended suspension - 1/2 year, full year, as some have speculated as a possibility, could we - or would we - want to bring in Mack (or Matta or Gillen??) as a temporary HC? Or do you allow Miller's top assistant to take over for that period?

IM4X
03-19-2022, 12:53 PM
I don’t see why X would be concerned about any NCAA ramifications. Maybe Sean would face some sort of suspension potentially, but why would anything come down on X for what happened at Arizona? It’s also not like the NCAA has come down hard on any of the other violators. Now, if Sean is still embroiled in an FBI investigation, X may want nothing to do with the feds.

I believe you are right. don’t believe X would be directly affected. I do think they could be indirectly affected by seeing Miller suspended. I can’t remember where I read it, but someone (may be Seth Davis though I could be wrong) had stated that Miller could possibly end up with a minor suspension (a few games) or a major one (who knows how many games) for what he was connected to in Arizona when he is eventually hired by his next school. I don’t think it would mean X would ever be ineligible for the MCAA tournament though. Who knows what exactly is true or if something more or less severe is going to happen. I’d imagine that might be what Christopher is try to get figured out.

xavbball
03-19-2022, 12:54 PM
I believe someone else brought this up previously, but it is a valid point. If $ was the main factor for Miller, he of all people knows what Xavier can offer or is willing to offer, so if that was the reason why would he even listen to us? SC has much deeper pockets. Just something to chew on..

He loves Xavier.
He loves the Big East.
He loves our culture.
He loves our facilities.
He loves this fanbase.

For a lot of people, money is the primary motivator. There's nothing wrong with it. However, some people aren't driven as much by money. Don't get me wrong, nobody wants to be underpaid and underappreciated, but there's a difference when making "good" money at a place that checks all the boxes versus making "great" money at a place where not all the boxes are checked.

I strongly believe that Sean's primary motivator for leaving X was to be able to win at the highest level. In the A10, he could only accomplish so much. He turned down other jobs while at X that would have paid him more. If money drives him, I think he would have left after the 07-08 season. I also think he would have negotiated more money during his tenure at Arizona.

I could be wrong, obviously, and he goes to South Carolina for a bigger paycheck. But my feeling is that his heart wants him at X, and he knows he can build something special here. As long as we make a competitive offer, I like our chances.

xuphan
03-19-2022, 12:54 PM
Wait… Xavier was paying players? Bj Raymond and CWeez were commanding big money?

Just a guess, but I think he is an SC troll.

jhelmes37
03-19-2022, 12:59 PM
He loves Xavier.
He loves the Big East.
He loves our culture.
He loves our facilities.
He loves this fanbase.

For a lot of people, money is the primary motivator. There's nothing wrong with it. However, some people aren't driven as much by money. Don't get me wrong, nobody wants to be underpaid and underappreciated, but there's a difference when making "good" money at a place that checks all the boxes versus making "great" money at a place where not all the boxes are checked.

I strongly believe that Sean's primary motivator for leaving X was to be able to win at the highest level. In the A10, he could only accomplish so much. He turned down other jobs while at X that would have paid him more. If money drives him, I think he would have left after the 07-08 season. I also think he would have negotiated more money during his tenure at Arizona.

I could be wrong, obviously, and he goes to South Carolina for a bigger paycheck. But my feeling is that his heart wants him at X, and he knows he can build something special here. As long as we make a competitive offer, I like our chances.

Great post. It’s been widely reported many times Sean regrets leaving X. How many sleepless nights do you think he’s had the last 4 years wondering why he ever left X in the first place?

It’s also been widely reported Amy never wanted to leave and the decision was unilateral.

I’d be shocked if he chooses a bag of loot from a middling sec school over the school he wishes he never left. He has his bag, and it’s not like he’ll be making chump change for the next 10+ years at X.

chico
03-19-2022, 01:02 PM
He loves Xavier.
He loves the Big East.
He loves our culture.
He loves our facilities.
He loves this fanbase.

For a lot of people, money is the primary motivator. There's nothing wrong with it. However, some people aren't driven as much by money. Don't get me wrong, nobody wants to be underpaid and underappreciated, but there's a difference when making "good" money at a place that checks all the boxes versus making "great" money at a place where not all the boxes are checked.

I strongly believe that Sean's primary motivator for leaving X was to be able to win at the highest level. In the A10, he could only accomplish so much. He turned down other jobs while at X that would have paid him more. If money drives him, I think he would have left after the 07-08 season. I also think he would have negotiated more money during his tenure at Arizona.

I could be wrong, obviously, and he goes to South Carolina for a bigger paycheck. But my feeling is that his heart wants him at X, and he knows he can build something special here. As long as we make a competitive offer, I like our chances.

Great points. If I remember correctly he initially turned down Arizona before they threw stupid money at him.

I'm thinking/hoping any hold up is X doing its due diligence.

Murph85
03-19-2022, 01:31 PM
Sources saying it may be decided today. Big X lean despite less $

xukeith
03-19-2022, 01:42 PM
Sources saying it may be decided today. Big X lean despite less $

I bet we know "Yay! or "Nay!" on Monday.

American X
03-19-2022, 01:49 PM
Is there a written rule that says I cant share information from a friend? If that's the case then anybody who has ESPN
+ would be sharing paid information. Or are we just trying to be respectful because we don't want to upset the moderators on musketeerscoop.

Stop posting information from paysites (and don't ask nitpicking questions about what you can).

xavierj
03-19-2022, 01:49 PM
Great post. It’s been widely reported many times Sean regrets leaving X. How many sleepless nights do you think he’s had the last 4 years wondering why he ever left X in the first place?

It’s also been widely reported Amy never wanted to leave and the decision was unilateral.

I’d be shocked if he chooses a bag of loot from a middling sec school over the school he wishes he never left. He has his bag, and it’s not like he’ll be making chump change for the next 10+ years at X.

Man if he never left can you imagine adding Derrick Brown back in with Crawford, Lyons and Tu. They would have been in the final 4 and never would have lost to K state

Caveat
03-19-2022, 02:09 PM
White smoke.

Title
03-19-2022, 02:12 PM
White smoke.

If you are bringing Miller back, you will need to get used to a lot of that.............

bjf123
03-19-2022, 02:13 PM
White smoke.


Sources saying it may be decided today. Big X lean despite less $

I’ll believe it when I see the official announcement from X. Until then, I’ll keep refreshing here and on Twitter. I need a life! [emoji2357]


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zanesxu
03-19-2022, 02:14 PM
He loves Xavier.
He loves the Big East.
He loves our culture.
He loves our facilities.
He loves this fanbase.

For a lot of people, money is the primary motivator. There's nothing wrong with it. However, some people aren't driven as much by money. Don't get me wrong, nobody wants to be underpaid and underappreciated, but there's a difference when making "good" money at a place that checks all the boxes versus making "great" money at a place where not all the boxes are checked.

I strongly believe that Sean's primary motivator for leaving X was to be able to win at the highest level. In the A10, he could only accomplish so much. He turned down other jobs while at X that would have paid him more. If money drives him, I think he would have left after the 07-08 season. I also think he would have negotiated more money during his tenure at Arizona.

I could be wrong, obviously, and he goes to South Carolina for a bigger paycheck. But my feeling is that his heart wants him at X, and he knows he can build something special here. As long as we make a competitive offer, I like our chances.


Agree.

USC has been to a final four (lightning in a bottle). That and money are the only things they have over XU.

Think about what XU has accomplished since Sean was here. Move to Big East. Another E8. A #1 and #2 seed... and Villanova, a BE team, has shown the new BE can win Championships. The fanbase and the overall culture of the place are the same. When Sean left for Arizona, nobody could argue the chances of an A10 team winning it all were slim and none. Now, Sean has to see only the highest ceiling for X... as should all of us.

Masterofreality
03-19-2022, 02:19 PM
Get ready folks!!

American X
03-19-2022, 02:19 PM
https://media4.giphy.com/media/pReb5Koy6JmihUYBLx/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47fbh8o20g0yi7kfo0r06gtutjdg5k j32sx7xq2orl&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

JTG
03-19-2022, 02:49 PM
Rumor? probably.
Truth? Maybe!
4 year deal
$6 million per
Done

4 yr deal I could believe, $6 million a year no effing way. They wouldn't pay Jesus of Nazareth $6mil.

bjf123
03-19-2022, 02:53 PM
4 yr deal I could believe, $6 million a year no effing way. They wouldn't pay Jesus of Nazareth $6mil.

Maybe at SC. No way X can afford that.


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X Factor
03-19-2022, 02:55 PM
4 yr deal I could believe, $6 million a year no effing way. They wouldn't pay Jesus of Nazareth $6mil.

Probably around $4mil a year...

Masterofreality
03-19-2022, 02:57 PM
Probably around $4mil a year...

Try 6 yr term

bjf123
03-19-2022, 03:06 PM
Probably around $4mil a year...


Try 6 yr term

That makes more sense, though that’s still more than I would have thought X would spend. We’ll find out whenever it’s announced, assuming it’s a done deal.


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JTG
03-19-2022, 03:06 PM
Try 6 yr term

Hey MOR, Are you holding out on us ? Tell us what you've heard from your sources.

JTG
03-19-2022, 03:09 PM
White smoke.

Pope Miller I ?

smileyy
03-19-2022, 03:16 PM
Think about what XU has accomplished since Sean was here. ... Another E8.

Of all the things I'd think Miller is aware of :D

OTRMUSKIE
03-19-2022, 03:18 PM
The offer has been made . SC has offered one million dollars more. Can't tell you where I heard it because you know you arnt allowed too. But I assume the pay site. But if it really is only 1 million and he said no to X then F him.

XUBison
03-19-2022, 03:21 PM
My wife just received a CBS Sports notification on her phone stating that X is zeroing in on Sean Miller. That’s the extent of my sources.

noteggs
03-19-2022, 03:24 PM
My wife just received a CBS Sports notification on her phone stating that X is zeroing in on Sean Miller. That’s the extent of my sources.

Hey I’m just impressed your wife gets CBS sports notifications.

OTRMUSKIE
03-19-2022, 03:25 PM
Yeah it's almost a done deal and They are saying the support staff might stay on since Miller has ties with the current staff and Miller doesn't have guys already in place. So you could see Dante and Hayes sticking around. Hell Steele could too if he could swallow his pride. Personally, I don't want anybody from Steeles camp.

XUBison
03-19-2022, 03:25 PM
Hey I’m just impressed your wife gets CBS sports notifications.

Me too. Who knew?

Masterofreality
03-19-2022, 03:29 PM
Hey MOR, Are you holding out on us ? Tell us what you've heard from your sources.

Gotta be Zero Dark Thirty right now. Sorry
Prolly said too much already

Title
03-19-2022, 03:29 PM
But if it really is only 1 million and he said no to X then F him.

Yeah, that's a rational comment. Yet for some reason X fans wonder why they are ridiculed everywhere they go.

Xville
03-19-2022, 03:31 PM
Yeah, that's a rational comment. Yet for some reason X fans wonder why they are ridiculed everywhere they go.

Why are you here?

OTRMUSKIE
03-19-2022, 03:34 PM
Yeah, that's a rational comment. Yet for some reason X fans wonder why they are ridiculed everywhere they go.

I have never been ridiculed for being an X fan at the following.
Walgreens, CBS, Krogers, car dealerships, my parents house, banana republic, Harley dealership, CVG, VA Hospital, shell, BP, ameristop, REI, McDonald's, Starbucks, Burger King, Wendy's, Sunoco, all OTR bars, all Oakley Bars, anywhere in the other 49 states.

I have been ridiculed for being an X fan in Dayton and on UC campus.

xukeith
03-19-2022, 03:35 PM
We might not know his contract but there is no way it is over $4 mill a year. If SC has $5 mill on the table, X might offer $3.9 a year. But we are all guessing. .


Nothing official.

ron meXico
03-19-2022, 03:35 PM
All I know is MOR and Murph are trusted sources on this site and I trust them with their info…
Wish y’all could say more due to the angst here but I appreciate what you can share.
Guess we’ll know soon enough.

MHettel
03-19-2022, 03:35 PM
Ugh, for the umpteenth time, they had a top 20 recruiting class. I think they only had one transfer this year.

Creighton had 5 players on their roster this year that played for them last year. 3 of them, Davis, Osmani and Mitchell played 131 total minutes combined this year.

So, I think the point is still made (for the umpteenth time).

Blue Blooded-05
03-19-2022, 03:36 PM
Gotta be Zero Dark Thirty right now. Sorry
Prolly said too much already

Which rule of the internet says that all information given on a message board must be cryptic?

OTRMUSKIE
03-19-2022, 03:40 PM
Which rule of the internet says that all information given on a message board must be cryptic?
Rule 7 section 532.A
All information regarding coaching rumors must be written in cryptic language to prevent misinformation from transferring from one site to the next.

xu82
03-19-2022, 03:47 PM
He loves Xavier.
He loves the Big East.
He loves our culture.
He loves our facilities.
He loves this fanbase.

For a lot of people, money is the primary motivator. There's nothing wrong with it. However, some people aren't driven as much by money. Don't get me wrong, nobody wants to be underpaid and underappreciated, but there's a difference when making "good" money at a place that checks all the boxes versus making "great" money at a place where not all the boxes are checked.

I strongly believe that Sean's primary motivator for leaving X was to be able to win at the highest level. In the A10, he could only accomplish so much. He turned down other jobs while at X that would have paid him more. If money drives him, I think he would have left after the 07-08 season. I also think he would have negotiated more money during his tenure at Arizona.

I could be wrong, obviously, and he goes to South Carolina for a bigger paycheck. But my feeling is that his heart wants him at X, and he knows he can build something special here. As long as we make a competitive offer, I like our chances.

Excellent post and great points. Let me add one more thing: money means a lot more when you don’t have much of it. Barring stupidity, Sean has a healthy net worth. If you’re sitting on (just wild numbers here) say $20 Mil, then next $5 Mil is worth less than if you are worth $2 Mil. He can “afford” to take less now, and “less” is still a LOT.

X-man
03-19-2022, 03:56 PM
Excellent post and great points. Let me add one more thing: money means a lot more when you don’t have much of it. Barring stupidity, Sean has a healthy net worth. If you’re sitting on (just wild numbers here) say $20 Mil, then next $5 Mil is worth less than if you are worth $2 Mil. He can “afford” to take less now, and “less” is still a LOT.

You sound like an economist.

xuphan
03-19-2022, 03:59 PM
Sources saying it may be decided today. Big X lean despite less $

I’ve heard the same thing. We won’t probably find out until Monday though at the earliest.

XUBison
03-19-2022, 04:01 PM
Excellent post and great points. Let me add one more thing: money means a lot more when you don’t have much of it. Barring stupidity, Sean has a healthy net worth. If you’re sitting on (just wild numbers here) say $20 Mil, then next $5 Mil is worth less than if you are worth $2 Mil. He can “afford” to take less now, and “less” is still a LOT.

Good point. Aaron Rogers just gave a hometown discount to the Packers. He’s stil making $150M, so it’s not like he’s playing for free. But at some point, other things matter.

That said, I don’t believe X would make an offer to Sean without offering as much as it can muster. If somewhere else offers more, so be it. But it won’t be due to a lack of seriousness from X.

xu82
03-19-2022, 04:01 PM
My wife just received a CBS Sports notification on her phone stating that X is zeroing in on Sean Miller. That’s the extent of my sources.

I had lunch today at a bar where there was a lady who REALLY knew her Baylor basketball. I wanted to hug her and take her home with me, but I thought her husband and my wife might frown on that. Not to mention, she might have been armed!

XUBison
03-19-2022, 04:05 PM
I had lunch today at a bar where there was a lady who REALLY knew her Baylor basketball. I wanted to hug her and take her home with me, but I thought her husband and my wife might frown on that. Not to mention, she might have been armed!

I had Baylor winning the NC in my bracket. Ugh.

deepX
03-19-2022, 04:06 PM
You sound like an economist.


Well, that is a bloody rude thing to call somebody! :slapfight:

JTG
03-19-2022, 04:18 PM
For you bourbon fans I have a bottle I've been saving since pre Covid. I planned to open it when we went back to the Dance. If Miller gets announced, it's getting opened.

X-man
03-19-2022, 04:21 PM
Well, that is a bloody rude thing to call somebody! :slapfight:

A rude thing to say would be to call someone an accountant! :laugh:

xu82
03-19-2022, 04:25 PM
A rude thing to say would be to call someone an accountant! :laugh:

My son is a CPA.


….and he agrees!!!


He has his escape planned, and a nice path ahead, fortunately.

Final4
03-19-2022, 04:27 PM
Hey MOR, Are you holding out on us ? Tell us what you've heard from your sources.

OMG that twit doesn't have any sources. On Wednesday he was announcing Travis was coming back hours before he was fired. Look at his posts......he plays both sides and then acts like he had inside information once the announcement is made. It's all over town......deal is done with Miller. And it never really was a question after the Travis firing.

Olsingledigit
03-19-2022, 04:47 PM
Excellent post and great points. Let me add one more thing: money means a lot more when you don’t have much of it. Barring stupidity, Sean has a healthy net worth. If you’re sitting on (just wild numbers here) say $20 Mil, then next $5 Mil is worth less than if you are worth $2 Mil. He can “afford” to take less now, and “less” is still a LOT.

One thing we cannot beat SC at is the weather. We had a vacation home there for 27 years and the weather is awesome. Just sayin’.

XU-PA
03-19-2022, 04:51 PM
One thing we cannot beat SC at is the weather. We had a vacation home there for 27 years and the weather is awesome. Just sayin’.

SC yea, but Columbia? PU!

Muskie1000
03-19-2022, 04:54 PM
Rick Broering just reported that Miller signed

Masterofreality
03-19-2022, 04:55 PM
OMG that twit doesn't have any sources. On Wednesday he was announcing Travis was coming back hours before he was fired. Look at his posts......he plays both sides and then acts like he had inside information once the announcement is made. It's all over town......deal is done with Miller. And it never really was a question after the Travis firing.

Hahahahaha.
You did see that I deleted those posts BEFORE ya Boi Steele was fired right? And posted as such?
Amy is being paid back!
Welcome Back Sean!

drudy23
03-19-2022, 04:59 PM
Let’s go! Multiple outlets reporting it’s a done deal.

This needs its own thread.

XU-PA
03-19-2022, 04:59 PM
Adam Baum says it's done

xu82
03-19-2022, 05:01 PM
One thing we cannot beat SC at is the weather. We had a vacation home there for 27 years and the weather is awesome. Just sayin’.

Miller might melt down like the wicked witch in those Columbia summers! I used to be there for work a lot, and it was nearly impossible for a NORMAL person not to sweat thru their suit between the car and the office!

xu82
03-19-2022, 05:03 PM
SC yea, but Columbia? PU!

There are some BEAUTIFUL places and nice locations in SC. Columbia is not one of them, IMO.

Blue Blooded-05
03-19-2022, 05:03 PM
The mojo is back!!! Great day to be a musketeer!!

Well done everyone involved!!

XU-PA
03-19-2022, 05:05 PM
Baum, Rothschild, Brokering and now Goodman all say the deal is done!

xu82
03-19-2022, 05:06 PM
And there was MUCH REJOICING!

bjf123
03-19-2022, 05:08 PM
A rude thing to say would be to call someone an accountant! :laugh:

Hey, hey, hey. I got my degree in accounting from X.


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D-West & PO-Z
03-19-2022, 05:23 PM
What a change in mindset for this fan base now. Complete 180. From discontent and despair to excitement and optimism!

Congrats to all involved for getting this done!

JTG
03-19-2022, 05:41 PM
For you bourbon fans I have a bottle I've been saving since pre Covid. I planned to open it when we went back to the Dance. If Miller gets announced, it's getting opened.

Opening the Blanton's ....Hallelujah... "Were you there did you hear ?" Part Deux. Personally I was watching Creighton, trying to figure out how in the hell we beat them twice.

xu82
03-19-2022, 06:05 PM
What a change in mindset for this fan base now. Complete 180. From discontent and despair to excitement and optimism!

Congrats to all involved for getting this done!

We blew past 60 pages with curiosity and angst…..and now it’s basically crickets!

bjf123
03-19-2022, 06:08 PM
We blew past 60 pages with curiosity and angst…..and now it’s basically crickets!

Everyone passed out from too many Miller’s? Maybe out dancing in the streets? Headed to Dana’s? (there’s an idea)


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muskiefan82
03-19-2022, 06:08 PM
Is tomorrow a Hayes audition for here or another job?

xu82
03-19-2022, 06:09 PM
Everyone passed out from too many Miller’s? Maybe out dancing in the streets? Headed to Dana’s? (there’s an idea)


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I’d head to Dana’s, if I could get there before closing…..which I cannot.

bobbiemcgee
03-19-2022, 06:11 PM
Buy deodorant stock.

muskiefan82
03-19-2022, 06:16 PM
The 2022 Skyline Miller Time Crosstown Shootout

Masterofreality
03-19-2022, 06:20 PM
Try 6 yr term

Verified by Greg Christopher.

XUBison
03-19-2022, 06:30 PM
What a change in mindset for this fan base now. Complete 180. From discontent and despair to excitement and optimism!

Congrats to all involved for getting this done!

This applies to everyone here, at least in a tiny way. I can’t believe this happened. I can’t believe the admin had the guts to do all of this, let alone any of it. Some of that is because we encouraged it, we insisted on it. I am very impressed and proud of the decision-makers at X. Who knows what will happen, but they swung for the fences. Good for them, and great for us.

bjf123
03-19-2022, 06:40 PM
So have they completely imploded on the SC boards?


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bobbiemcgee
03-19-2022, 06:42 PM
Joe Danneman
@FOX19Joe
Sean Miller on returning to X: “Xavier and the Big East Conference both hold special places in my heart. I enjoyed my experience competing at the highest level in the BIG EAST as a player and have always dreamed of being a head coach in the best basketball league in the country."
4:19 PM · Mar 19, 2022·Twitter Web App

Joe Danneman
@FOX19Joe
·
21m
Replying to
@FOX19Joe
Xavier has always done things the right way. This is an incredible opportunity for us to build on Xavier’s successful tradition and take the program to new heights. (2/3)
Joe Danneman
@FOX19Joe
·
19m
I will have more to say at my introductory press conference about what I’ve been through the last few years to get to this point and my plan going forward.”

waggy
03-19-2022, 07:18 PM
So have they completely imploded on the SC boards?


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I had to go look…. Oh the humanity!

muskiefan82
03-19-2022, 07:19 PM
What is their board address?

waggy
03-19-2022, 07:25 PM
What is their board address?

I can’t link with my phone but it’s a 247 board

Jumpin_Jamal_Forever
03-19-2022, 07:45 PM
Here is a typical comment from the Gamecocks board...................

My understanding is Tanner offered a good bit more money. Xavier has one helluva basketball history with a ton of NCAA Tournament success. They are in a fertile recruiting area for basketball and they have regularly sold out the Cintas Center for many years.....fan apathy is not an issue. Xavier is a premier program....its hard to overcome.

bjf123
03-19-2022, 07:47 PM
Here is a typical comment from the Gamecocks board...................

My understanding is Tanner offered a good bit more money. Xavier has one helluva basketball history with a ton of NCAA Tournament success. They are in a fertile recruiting area for basketball and they have regularly sold out the Cintas Center for many years.....fan apathy is not an issue. Xavier is a premier program....its hard to overcome.

That’s not wrong!

Strange Brew
03-19-2022, 07:51 PM
For X to pull this off is amazing. I guess we won’t be sneaking up on people anymore…

waggy
03-19-2022, 08:01 PM
If you believe their board The Millers left 1.5M per to be back at X.

smileyy
03-19-2022, 08:07 PM
If you believe their board The Millers left 1.5M per to be back at X.

That's a lot of money to leave on the table. X can be a destination job now. When Miller retires.

bleedXblue
03-19-2022, 08:07 PM
SC was simply leverage fella's. Sean was never going there.

nickgyp
03-19-2022, 08:13 PM
https://www.kvoa.com/sports/arizona-wildcats/kelly-the-scheme-paints-a-new-public-picture-of-sean-miller/article_b1e44356-974d-5820-9ca8-29f80829816c.html

https://zonazealots.com/2020/03/28/arizona-basketball-what-to-know-about-the-upcoming-hbo-documentary/

Never saw the documentary "The Scheme". I have read allegations by Book Richardson that Sean Miller knew Arizona players were being paid. Not sure whether actual transcripts were ever released. But there is an allegation that Miller asked promoter Christopher Dawkins whether the University of Miami had an advantage over UA in the recruitment of Nassir Little in apparently the area of money available to pay the recruit (Dawkins answers that Miami has Adidas.) All of which looks very suspicious. Hopefully, nothing comes of it and that it is in error. I don't know if anyone on this board can shed light on this even after the FBI has cleared Miller but who knows what the NCAA might do. I like Coach Miller and want him to succeed but hope there is an explanation.
Been following XU basketball since the early sixties as a kid and want Xavier basketball to succeed without sacrificing integrity.

smileyy
03-19-2022, 08:17 PM
It's widely believed that Miller will serve a suspension assume time this season, no?

atljar
03-19-2022, 08:20 PM
It's widely believed that Miller will serve a suspension assume time this season, no?

Yes I believe so. My guess is 6-8 games (ish)

xu82
03-19-2022, 08:27 PM
That's a lot of money to leave on the table. X can be a destination job now. When Miller retires.

In the past we’ve hired young assistants to become HC. They moved on to become financially secure. Miller has already done this. He will still make HUGE money, but he’s already set. We shouldn’t have to worry that someone will offer an extra million or two. They already did (despite being a less than ideal situation). I hope Sean has found his last coaching home.

xu82
03-19-2022, 08:28 PM
Yes I believe so. My guess is 6-8 games (ish)


I can live with that!

XUBison
03-19-2022, 08:31 PM
For X to pull this off is amazing. I guess we won’t be sneaking up on people anymore…

No, time to kick ass!

JTG
03-19-2022, 08:57 PM
Yes I believe so. My guess is 6-8 games (ish)

Bruce Pearl got 2 games, and he has a long history of cheating at multiple schools

zanesxu
03-19-2022, 09:04 PM
I’m rooting for Arizona to win the whole thing. I want Miller with a massive chip on his shoulder and something to prove to the world. 2022/23 season as a redemption tour for Sean.

kane79
03-19-2022, 10:34 PM
a. someone needs to go back and delete any trace of any post related to racoons
b. Miller is 106 wins away from erasing Chris Mack from holding the title of winningest coach at Xavier. This will be a good thing in my opinion

bjf123
03-19-2022, 10:36 PM
b. Miller is 106 wins away from erasing Chris Mack from holding the title of winningest coach at Xavier. This will be a good thing in my opinion

So, 4 years from now?


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GoMuskies
03-19-2022, 10:58 PM
So, 4 years from now?


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If he wants to knock it out in 3 that would be just fine.

XUBison
03-20-2022, 03:00 AM
https://vimeo.com/262269850?embedded=true&source=video_title&owner=7 0886360

The best bump ever.

IM4X
03-20-2022, 03:19 AM
If he wants to knock it out in 3 that would be just fine.

Think that might require a few regular seasons without a loss and reaching 3 final fours or he could just simply win back to back to back National Championships and then he can slack and lose a few games during the regular season… but yeah… I think the fans wouldn’t complain too much with either scenario.

basket
03-20-2022, 06:46 AM
WHEN sanctions come out against the Univ. of Arizona and or Coach Miller what if ANY sanctions could be placed on Xavier! Hows the current coaching staff and or players feel about Coach Millers "hire"? I hope the "team"/players was "briefed" on this before the University made this announcement!! I cant imagine walking around Cintas as a current coach or player knowing my time on campus MAY be numbered.

CinciReds11
03-20-2022, 07:26 AM
Greg Christopher felt okay with the risk of the Arizona findings and he has significant experience in those kind of matters with the NCAA.

As for the current coaching staff and players and whether or not they were briefed? Lol who the hell cares. Bye guys. Dante can stay though.


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zanesxu
03-20-2022, 07:38 AM
WHEN sanctions come out against the Univ. of Arizona and or Coach Miller what if ANY sanctions could be placed on Xavier! Hows the current coaching staff and or players feel about Coach Millers "hire"? I hope the "team"/players was "briefed" on this before the University made this announcement!! I cant imagine walking around Cintas as a current coach or player knowing my time on campus MAY be numbered.

You know there’s a whole thread at this time of year called “Coaching Carousel” on this board. You can’t imagine this happening? It happens at dozens of campuses every year. It happens at hundreds of businesses every year. The kicker is that Sean has now done this before. He had to do it at Arizona. If I’m a current player, recruit, or coach, I can’t imagine how excited I am (if I’m worth my salt) that I get to coach alongside or play for one of the top 10 coaches in college basketball.

Stop trying to make this suck.

XUGRAD80
03-20-2022, 07:58 AM
It would be my experienced guess that the coaches were informed and then the players were called together and informed. That’s how these things normally go down. However, there were at least 4-5 days there where both the coaches and the players did not know what was going to happen. I’m sure that the players were already aware that Steele was on the hot seat and that a change was most likely going to happen. I don’t see how any of them could be surprised by that. In fact, I’m pretty sure that was in part a reason for some of them seemingly indicating that they would seek transfers. We don’t know for sure unless we are ones that have contacts to the players, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it comes out that many of the players wanted a change too. I’m sure that they were all less than satisfied with the direction that the program was headed. I’m equally sure that all of them will want to meet, as a group and individually, with Miller asap and discuss what the future holds for them. My guess is that Miller will honor their commitments and not push any of them out the door. If they want to stay, they will be allowed to do so. With no promises about status or playing time given and with expectations and standards of performance clearly explained to them. Some may then decide to move on, but it will be their decision. Not to worry, all of them will certainly be able to find a new home if they so desire. Same goes for the coaches. I would expect Dante to be retained, Jonas to either be a head coach or top assistant somewhere next year, and Peters has a 50/50 chance of being retained IMO. Miller will undoubtedly want to bring in some new blood and I’m sure he has already contacted some people to see if they are interested in joining him. Because of Xavier having a game today, I doubt that he will meet with the assistant coaches before tomorrow, if then. Same goes for the players.

T-Time
03-20-2022, 08:23 AM
WHEN sanctions come out against the Univ. of Arizona and or Coach Miller what if ANY sanctions could be placed on Xavier! Hows the current coaching staff and or players feel about Coach Millers "hire"? I hope the "team"/players was "briefed" on this before the University made this announcement!! I cant imagine walking around Cintas as a current coach or player knowing my time on campus MAY be numbered.

Yes, stop trying to make this suck!

atljar
03-20-2022, 09:00 AM
what if ANY sanctions could be placed on Xavier!.

Let's put this to bed right now. Xavier did not commit any infractions, so therefore Xavier will not be penalized. End of story.

Sean Miller has the potential to be penalized, potentially being suspended for some unknown length of time, which in all likelihood is going to be rather minor and insignificant at the end of the day

bobbiemcgee
03-20-2022, 09:36 AM
After 4 friggin' years you would think they know what they are going to do, but then it's the NCAA. Book got out of jail in 2019.

xukeith
03-20-2022, 10:06 AM
SC was simply leverage fella's. Sean was never going there.

I think Miller knew he wanted to coach at Xavier and he and his agent decided to look at South Carolina for the sole purpose of letting X know he was also interested in X.

Like, "Hey X family! I want to coach for you. Can you offer me a job?( I am expensive but you and I love each other)" more or less.

xukeith
03-20-2022, 10:28 AM
WHEN sanctions come out against the Univ. of Arizona and or Coach Miller what if ANY sanctions could be placed on Xavier! Hows the current coaching staff and or players feel about Coach Millers "hire"? I hope the "team"/players was "briefed" on this before the University made this announcement!! I cant imagine walking around Cintas as a current coach or player knowing my time on campus MAY be numbered.

Xavier will not be punished. The findings were all about Arizona. NCAA has not sent an punishment or fine/suspension. .
Miller did "lost institutional control" because Book was his assistant who did the paying of the recruit. No smoking gun with Miller's fingerprints anywhere. Arizona didn't fire Miller after 3/4 years of this. Miller kept coaching and said he did nothing wrong. Finally last year Miller was let go (last year on contract I think)

xukeith
03-20-2022, 10:31 AM
This MillerTime thread has gotten over 74,000 views.
Any threads in the past year come close to that amount of views? I imagine maybe when X joined Big East or won the regular season 4 years ago?

waggy
03-20-2022, 10:47 AM
Why are you here?

Jealousy

Masterofreality
03-20-2022, 11:10 AM
[QUOTE=waggy;730319]Jealousy

Butler now has the worst coach in the Big East.
Time for them to go back to the Horizon League- them and their drafty Hayseed Barn

Masterofreality
03-20-2022, 11:20 AM
The Post on another thread from Zonacat really speaks to this:,

"Great hire. Really happy for Sean and Amy.

On the sanctions, what was reported by ESPN ended up not being in the court cases or the NOA. The Ayton "payment" never happened and the NCAA and Feds agree on that. The only level one charge Sean got was failure to control Book, that is it. I would not expect a show clause or anything significant. Maybe a fine and a few games similar to what Pearl received.

The investigation has been dragging on for four years but Sean did an admirable job keeping the program afloat with the NCAA gun pointed at his head. The fall off in talent was immediate but 2022 Arizona is Sean's team. He didn't get to coach them and Lloyd has done a great job with the group, but considering the world of recruiting, Sean putting this team together is unreal and shows his ability to adapt to tough situations. I am happy he got the year off to recharge but sad he didn't get to lead this group, he would have won a ton of games.

Arizona owes Sean a debt of gratitude for leading the program beyond Lute to the heights it is currently at. I say all of that to say this, Sean is going to have Xavier back to being a monster again and we will meet in the tournament."

OTRMUSKIE
03-20-2022, 11:22 AM
Butler will have a new coach as well. Unless they extended him? If I'm butler I'm going after Murray State or St Peters coach.

xukeith
03-20-2022, 11:30 AM
CBS sports video analysis of Miller-X commitment and impact on BE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw8zpiNJMCY

basket
03-20-2022, 11:48 AM
Yes, stop trying to make this suck!

I am NOT! Ive been a fan since XU was playing in Schmidt Fieldhouse. I am a HUGE fan and ALWAYS will be!! That being said, of course I know that Xavier did NOT commit any infractions BUT the coach they just hired DID! I have read in the past where schools that hire a coach, that has comitted infractions, the punishment "follows them" as THEY were the ones who committed the infraction NOT the University! I was just curious! So please just CHILL as all I'm doing is asking a question! I'm very sorry if you feel "threatened" by another human being ASKING a SIMPLE question!!

Jesuit4Life
03-20-2022, 01:50 PM
https://twitter.com/PaulFritschner/status/1505595849002258435

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_LH
03-20-2022, 02:02 PM
Fantastic hire in Miller. Welcome back!

xudash
03-20-2022, 02:29 PM
Why are you here?

He’s jealous. And he understands that “the little engine that could” has run its course.

Butler is well positioned to reside in the BE Basement for years to come

X-man
03-20-2022, 02:59 PM
Why are you here?

His parents won't let him out of the basement.

JTG
03-20-2022, 04:35 PM
Butler will have a new coach as well. Unless they extended him? If I'm butler I'm going after Murray State or St Peters coach.

Murray State's guy will probably get a better offer and so will Holloway. Butler relies on smarts rather than talent. That works well in the Horizon, ok in the A10, but not so much in the BigEast. Steele was one of the only BIGEAST coaches you could out smart.

xukeith
09-17-2022, 01:10 PM
Are any high $ donors privieged to come and watch practices? Asking for a friend....

nuts4xu
09-17-2022, 06:46 PM
Are any high $ donors privieged to come and watch practices? Asking for a friend....

Yes, high level donors have been invited to select practice sessions in the past. Things could be different under Coach Miller, but last season high level donors were invited to an early season practice, even had a open bar.

UCGRAD4X
09-18-2022, 08:33 AM
Yes, high level donors have been invited to select practice sessions in the past. Things could be different under Coach Miller, but last season high level donors were invited to an early season practice, even had a open bar.

Were they eligible to accumulate practice points?

paulxu
10-06-2022, 01:28 PM
I hope he bought a house close by:

https://goxavier.com/news/2022/10/4/mens-basketball-xavier-athletics-and-xavier-sports-properties-learfield-announced-the-dates-for-the-coach-sean-miller-radio-show.aspx

Xuperman
10-06-2022, 02:39 PM
Can't wait to hear the first show!

bigdiggins
10-06-2022, 03:43 PM
Been a season ticket holder since the Cintas Center opened. I stopped going to the games last December. If a coaching change hadn't been made I would not have renewed. I've never been to a coaches show, but I just made reservations at Dilly Bistro on November 8th.

XUGRAD80
10-07-2022, 06:37 PM
I know that others have said it….but I believe that this coach MEANS IT

https://twitter.com/john_fanta/status/1578411192917184516?s=61&t=Pgxl5Zz2Wt44-drAeHDVqA

“We have to reestablish winning here, and get back to the Xavier identity of toughness. I won’t shy away from it: I want to be the coach who takes this program to that first Final Four.”

drudy23
10-07-2022, 07:01 PM
Been a season ticket holder since the Cintas Center opened. I stopped going to the games last December. If a coaching change hadn't been made I would not have renewed. I've never been to a coaches show, but I just made reservations at Dilly Bistro on November 8th.

You're not alone - also love the quote above in the Fanta interview.

XUBison
10-08-2022, 12:07 AM
I know that others have said it….but I believe that this coach MEANS IT

https://twitter.com/john_fanta/status/1578411192917184516?s=61&t=Pgxl5Zz2Wt44-drAeHDVqA

“We have to reestablish winning here, and get back to the Xavier identity of toughness. I won’t shy away from it: I want to be the coach who takes this program to that first Final Four.”

They all mean it, but he might be able to do it. Toughness… I always think of Sean’s X teams as tough and disciplined. So excited.