Time for a change....

[OTRMUSKIE]

I can think of how Tbey will lose $10 mm and that's by keeping Steele. You think 8500 season ticket holders add up to 10mm when all is said and done?

[xukeith]

ESPN had an article today talking about coaching changes. They mentioned Xavier in the article as a school to keep an eye on and if Muskies chose to make a change after another missed tournament, to keep an eye on Sean Miller.

Please Xavier, do what needs to be done. Go get Miller.

#StopTheTravisty
#SaveTheProgram
#ItsMillerTime

I want Miller more than anyone but X won’t touch him with a 40 ft pole.
X is scared of Miller.

[XUBison]

I want Miller more than anyone but X won’t touch him with a 40 ft pole.
X is scared of Miller.

Then they are incompetent. That said, I suspect you’re right.

[Xavier]

I think the 10 million buyout was a joke? Don’t know why people are running with that. I’m with Xville, 3-4 million is my guess. I got the feeling Sean was picking up steam- mentioned in that ESPN article etc….but I wonder if LSU firing their coach puts pause on it? Wasn’t he one of the FBI coaches. I hope I’m wrong and I know they are not the same.

[Xville]

I think the 10 million buyout was a joke? Don’t know why people are running with that. I’m with Xville, 3-4 million is my guess. I got the feeling Sean was picking up steam- mentioned in that ESPN article etc….but I wonder if LSU firing their coach puts pause on it? Wasn’t he one of the FBI coaches. I hope I’m wrong and I know they are not the same.

I was wondering about that too. However, wade being caught on tape was more than what miller was. Plus, wade just seems like a complete a hole so that may have something to do with it as well.

Just my opinion, but I think miller gets hired somewhere this year to resurrect his career, if it’s not x, hope that Mizzou makes a run at him.

[Masterofreality]

I wonder why Final 4 hasn’t weighed in on this thread with all of this Coach Steele slander??
Just an unaswerable question.

[xukeith]

NC State has a $1.1 Mill buyout
Kansas St has a $1 mill buyout.

[SM#24]

I wonder why Final 4 hasn’t weighed in on this thread with all of this Coach Steele slander??
Just an unaswerable question.

Why pour gas ?

[IM4X]

I want Miller more than anyone but X won’t touch him with a 40 ft pole.
X is scared of Miller.

All the scary stuff can be worked out in the wording of the contract. If Miller really wants to be a head coach again at X, he needs to take a little less than he normally would and allow X to cover their ass and make sure they are protected should something go wrong again. Then on the other end, Miller can have nice incentives// bonuses for making it to the Sweet 16 and beyond. I don’t imagine we’d see what happened at Arizona happen again for Sean. Things are a little different now any way, but he also he is going to be more careful about how things get done.

[American X]

Why pour gas?

To help burn it all down.

[Masterofreality]

To help burn it all down.

Correct!!!
#StartOver

[UCGRAD4X]

To help burn it all down.

I have a match and I'm not afraid to use it.

[Tardy Turtle]

https://media.giphy.com/media/8R8RD6Hvtte48/giphy.gif
To help burn it all down.

[xudash]

All the scary stuff can be worked out in the wording of the contract. If Miller really wants to be a head coach again at X, he needs to take a little less than he normally would and allow X to cover their ass and make sure they are protected should something go wrong again. Then on the other end, Miller can have nice incentives// bonuses for making it to the Sweet 16 and beyond. I don’t imagine we’d see what happened at Arizona happen again for Sean. Things are a little different now any way, but he also he is going to be more careful about how things get done.

This

[GoMuskies]

This season was pass/fail from my perspective. Grades are now in. It was a fail. He's got to go.

[xu82]

This season was pass/fail from my perspective. Grades are now in. It was a fail. He's got to go.

ESPECIALLY if you have a virtual lock of a winning coach in Miller available. He’s not like a random roll of the dice on a new guy. He’s proven to be FAR better than Steele, and gives us immediate credibility. There are ways to work around getting trapped into a contract if steps over the line. I think he’d accept that to some extent.

This is about the basketball program, but it’s also about the university. Unless you are from Cincinnati, just about the only reason you’ve ever heard of Xavier is the basketball program.

[Masterofreality]

The fact that Xavier was not even in the first four out shows you how badly the Xavier reputation has fallen.
X does not have football to fall back on so it’s easy for the NCAA to ignore and disrespect. Strong basketball underpins the entire school reputation, like it or not.
Christopher and the Administration has to realize this. There can be no more of this mess. NIT’s won’t cut it. If a change isn’t made, this thing falls apart quickly. This will be the first 4 year Xavier class since 1978 to not experience an NCAA Tournament game in their student tenure.
Unacceptable

[Backyard Champ]

The fact that Xavier was not even in the first four out shows you how badly the Xavier reputation has fallen.
X does not have football to fall back on so it’s easy for the NCAA to ignore and disrespect. Strong basketball underpins the entire school reputation, like it or not.
Christopher and the Administration has to realize this. There can be no more of this mess. NIT’s won’t cut it. If a change isn’t made, this thing falls apart quickly. This will be the first 4 year Xavier class since 1978 to not experience an NCAA Tournament game in their student tenure.
Unacceptable

Agreed. NIT should be considered unacceptable. Gross 4 year stretch

[XUBob]

The fact that Xavier was not even in the first four out shows you how badly the Xavier reputation has fallen.
X does not have football to fall back on so it’s easy for the NCAA to ignore and disrespect. Strong basketball underpins the entire school reputation, like it or not.
Christopher and the Administration has to realize this. There can be no more of this mess. NIT’s won’t cut it. If a change isn’t made, this thing falls apart quickly. This will be the first 4 year Xavier class since 1978 to not experience an NCAA Tournament game in their student tenure.
Unacceptable

MOR,
My thoughts exactly, the brand has fallen to a point that X isn’t even in the conversation. The university now has to make an important decision. I’m glad I’m not in on the process. Unfortunately the program is at a crossroads hoping the right choices are made.

[bleedXblue]

And as far as I can tell, X has its two most important roles filled by people with no track record of success making decisions like these.

[XU 23]

The fact that Xavier was not even in the first four out shows you how badly the Xavier reputation has fallen.
X does not have football to fall back on so it’s easy for the NCAA to ignore and disrespect. Strong basketball underpins the entire school reputation, like it or not.
Christopher and the Administration has to realize this. There can be no more of this mess. NIT’s won’t cut it. If a change isn’t made, this thing falls apart quickly. This will be the first 4 year Xavier class since 1978 to not experience an NCAA Tournament game in their student tenure.
Unacceptable

This is what scares me. Name a few once proud programs which are now dumpster fires and have been for years. St. John’s, DePaul, and Pitt come to mind. Really sad to see and I hope Xavier doesn’t suffer the same fate.

[CP05XU08CU13]

Per CBS Sports:
Loser: Xavier pays for collapse
Xavier started out 11-1 with quality victories over Ohio State, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma State, Cincinnati and Marquette to rise as high as No. 18 in the AP Top 25. But the Musketeers were left out of the field after an epic collapse in the second half of their season. After that 11-1 start, Xavier is just 7-12 and has lost six of its past seven games.

An NIT bid will do little to satisfy a fanbase that has grown accustomed to NCAA Tournament appearances as a baseline of success. Between 2001 and 2018, Xavier made 15 of 17 NCAA Tournaments under former coaches Skip Prosser, Thad Matta, Sean Miller and Chris Mack. But as the sun sets on Travis Steele's fourth season as coach, he's still yet to lead Xavier to the NCAA Tournament. Of course, that comes with the caveat of the 2020 event being canceled -- but. even during that season, Xavier was just 19-13.

[Masterofreality]

Travis Steele is a Butler plant to destroy the Xavier program.
Like the Chinese, they are patient and bide their time.
The time is finally here.

[JEHARDI]

A change costs money. Xavier ranks 8th in the BE in expenses to support hoops. Marquette, Nova spend 2x what X spends and Providence and others spending millions more.
Seat licenses and the price of tickets also on the lower end of the spectrum in the BE.
Overall X ranks 73rd In The $’s spent to support the team.
If we want to be a top 20 team with a top 20 coach everyone needs to step up financially.

[Xville]

A change costs money. Xavier ranks 8th in the BE in expenses to support hoops. Marquette, Nova spend 2x what X spends and Providence and others spending millions more.
Seat licenses and the price of tickets also on the lower end of the spectrum in the BE.
Overall X ranks 73rd In The $’s spent to support the team.
If we want to be a top 20 team with a top 20 coach everyone needs to step up financially.

Such a bs cop out statement. First of all, most of the teams are on the east coast. Secondly, a lot of teams are renting space. However, most importantly: People would step up if the program was worth stepping up for. You have to have a vision for people to invest. Hoff had it, people stepped up. Graham had it, people stepped up. this joke of an administration doesn’t have it, and this pee wee Herman coach certainly doesn’t have it

[xudash]

A change costs money. Xavier ranks 8th in the BE in expenses to support hoops. Marquette, Nova spend 2x what X spends and Providence and others spending millions more.
Seat licenses and the price of tickets also on the lower end of the spectrum in the BE.
Overall X ranks 73rd In The $’s spent to support the team.
If we want to be a top 20 team with a top 20 coach everyone needs to step up financially.

Are you quoting overall rankings? Be careful.

What are those schools spending after their expenses for arena rent?

[X-band '01]

Are you quoting overall rankings? Be careful.

What are those schools spending after their expenses for arena rent?

Well we just need to catch up and start spending rent on Heritage USBank Arena, then.

[JEHARDI]

Are you quoting overall rankings? Be careful.

What are those schools spending after their expenses for arena rent?

They don’t pay rent, they just get a much smaller % of the revenue.

[JEHARDI]

Such a bs cop out statement. First of all, most of the teams are on the east coast. Secondly, a lot of teams are renting space. However, most importantly: People would step up if the program was worth stepping up for. You have to have a vision for people to invest. Hoff had it, people stepped up. Graham had it, people stepped up. this joke of an administration doesn’t have it, and this pee wee Herman coach certainly doesn’t have it

Disagree, we were at the lower end of the spectrum when we were going to the tourney every year too.

[Xville]

Disagree, we were at the lower end of the spectrum when we were going to the tourney every year too.

So, Spending has little to do with success then. And x may have been on the lower end, but compared to what it had been previously was significant. X made a bad hire. Time to swallow it.

If spending was all that mattered, Georgetown would be in the final four almost every year.

[JEHARDI]

So, Spending has little to do with success then. And x may have been on the lower end, but compared to what it had been previously was significant. X made a bad hire. Time to swallow it.

If spending was all that mattered, Georgetown would be in the final four almost every year.

No, GT is not in the top 10. They are 3rd in the BE.

We have been incredibly fortunate, since many think our luck has run out, it is time to belly up and pay up.

[CP05XU08CU13]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/25-colleges-spend-most-men-120050899.html

I doubt Creighton spends as much on basketball as Xavier, yet their results during the Steele era have been better. Xavier is at a crossroads, and the decision the administration makes with Steele will send a message to recruits, the Big East, and alumni. If they keep him, then they are fine with mediocrity and the status quo. If they fire him, they indicate to the basketball world that mediocrity is unacceptable and Xavier is serious about winning again. Pretty straightforward.

[Irishjohn68]

Why is Steele employed?

[D-West & PO-Z]

This season was pass/fail from my perspective. Grades are now in. It was a fail. He's got to go.

I'm going to be so sick to my stomach when they don't even address Steele's status. Like I don't think they are even aware enough to make a comment on him staying and why.

[xavbball]

They don’t pay rent, they just get a much smaller % of the revenue.

You can check out the data you cited. X's operating (game-day) expenses for basketball ($633,396) is considerably lower than Marquette's for example ($5,240,173).

[XUBison]

I'm going to be so sick to my stomach when they don't even address Steele's status. Like I don't think they are even aware enough to make a comment on him staying and why.

Have been thinking the same thing— we’ll say nothing about doing nothing. Meanwhile, the varsity programs are already making their moves. LSU fired Wade. Georgia hired Mike White from Florida. Tulsa is trying to hire Mike Anderson away from St. John’s. — Miller could have a number of options.

[MHettel]

You can check out the data you cited. X's operating (game-day) expenses for basketball ($633,396) is considerably lower than Marquette's for example ($5,240,173).

Obviously the way they are measuring expenses is different.

I don’t know the details, but it’s clear that XU has been on the cheap for decades. It worked for a long time. Now, it’s time to step up and pay up

[GoMuskies]

I was pretty sure Xavier was going to hire Fran McCaffery when they hired Mack. Fran has had his ups and downs at Iowa, but he'd look pretty great on Xavier's sideline right about now.

[Xville]

You can check out the data you cited. X's operating (game-day) expenses for basketball ($633,396) is considerably lower than Marquette's for example ($5,240,173).

In other words Jehardi has no clue what he’s talking about. Shocking

[Xville]

No, GT is not in the top 10. They are 3rd in the BE.

We have been incredibly fortunate, since many think our luck has run out, it is time to belly up and pay up.

And top 15 overall.

Want to explain why Marquette has been bad for so long? Oh yeah because they hired a Steele clone. Expenses have little to do with success. It’s baloney, it’s another Covid excuse

[bjf123]

I'm going to be so sick to my stomach when they don't even address Steele's status. Like I don't think they are even aware enough to make a comment on him staying and why.

They’re not going to announce his firing before it actually happens, which won’t be while the team is still playing, even if it’s the NIT. At least the haven’t publicly given him the public “vote of confidence”. That should tell you something.


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[JTG]

They’re not going to announce his firing before it actually happens, which won’t be while the team is still playing, even if it’s the NIT. At least the haven’t publicly given him the public “vote of confidence”. That should tell you something.


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There are some pundits speculating that accepting the NIT bid was a vote of confidence. I certainly hope not.

[Xville]

Yeah I have no idea why you would accept an invite if you are going to fire the coach.

And please spare me the young guys playing crap. 1.) Steele won’t play them and 2.) you learn little from playing other mediocre teams.

[GoMuskies]

If you wait until after the NIT, you're giving other programs a head start on the best candidates.

[Lloyd Braun]

Mississippi State seems to be waiting until after the NIT unless Howland is not actually leaving.

[D-West & PO-Z]

They’re not going to announce his firing before it actually happens, which won’t be while the team is still playing, even if it’s the NIT. At least the haven’t publicly given him the public “vote of confidence”. That should tell you something.


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I wouldn't expect them to. However, I can fully see a situation in which Xavier doesn't address it at all and Steele remains coach.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Mississippi State seems to be waiting until after the NIT unless Howland is not actually leaving.

I guess unless it was a mutual parting and then he can coach but they can start to go after another candidate?

[GoMuskies]

Xavier's "March Gladness" days of giving are coming up tomorrow and Wednesday. I know something Xavier can do to motivate me to participate....

[IM4X]

If you wait until after the NIT, you're giving other programs a head start on the best candidates.

Or… maybe they are already setting things up to secure their new coach. One they’ve already contacted. Someone who has a good relationship with one of the existing X assistants who then would help that new head coach retain the current roster and hold onto the newly committed recruits.

[Chermy23]

Having a plan of attack on possible successors is necessary. Who would X be targeting, who are we hearing if/when we make a change?

[Murph85]

Or… maybe they are already setting things up to secure their new coach. One they’ve already contacted. Someone who has a good relationship with one of the existing X assistants who then would help that new head coach retain the current roster and hold onto the newly committed recruits.

Maybe they wait until an inferior Cleveland State team beats them with their hot prospect head coach to ice the cake and eliminate doubt.

[GIMMFD]

I wouldn't expect them to. However, I can fully see a situation in which Xavier doesn't address it at all and Steele remains coach.

I think this would be what would frustrate me the most, at least communicate that you know the alumni and fan base are upset, but if they don't address it at all, it would be a terrible choice. I feel like that would piss off majority of the fan base more so than we already are.

[xukeith]

Xavier's "March Gladness" days of giving are coming up tomorrow and Wednesday. I know something Xavier can do to motivate me to participate....

I doubt any admin at X understands the fury and disappointment the are responsible for.

Best we boycott anything related to Steele continuing.

[xukeith]

I think this would be what would frustrate me the most, at least communicate that you know the alumni and fan base are upset, but if they don't address it at all, it would be a terrible choice. I feel like that would piss off majority of the fan base more so than we already are.

Would you assume the average X fan is fed up with current status?
I would think over 50% of donating fan base believe this is a travisty and their is only one solution.

[xavbball]

Having a plan of attack on possible successors is necessary. Who would X be targeting, who are we hearing if/when we make a change?

There happens to be a coach available who loves Xavier basketball and has led four teams (including our own 07-08 team) to the elite eight. He will lead this program to a final four and stay at XU for a long time. The only problem is that this coach does not have a FIL at XU pulling all the strings. He will go off to another school and make them into a powerhouse while we become a BE bottom feeder.

[Murph85]

There happens to be a coach available who loves Xavier basketball and has led four teams (including our own 07-08 team) to the elite eight. He will lead this program to a final four and stay at XU for a long time. The only problem is that this coach does not have a FIL at XU pulling all the strings. He will go off to another school and make them into a powerhouse while we become a BE bottom feeder.


This is sadly what I firmly believe will happen.

[XUBison]

This is sadly what I firmly believe will happen.

Yep. I’m not sure why this seems so likely to me, but it does.

[xuphan]

Where is the local media coverage on this? Adam Baum, Rick Broering, etc. Why are they not representing their customers and asking these questions to the administration? At least get some sort of comment from the AD as a good portion of the fan base has had enough of this subpar program.

[IM4X]

Where is the local media coverage on this? Adam Baum, Rick Broering, etc. Why are they not representing their customers and asking these questions to the administration? At least get some sort of comment from the AD as a good portion of the fan base has had enough of this subpar program.

There was this recent article where the headline raises questions. You are right that there seems no one asking questions to the AD as to where Christopher’s head is. Usually someone would push the AD to give some kind of remark that either shows support or at least that addresses the concern of X not being where it expected to be at this point under Steels and what the administration’s stance about that issue is.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wcpo.com/sports/college-sports/xavier-university-sports/xavier-misses-out-on-another-ncaa-tournament-fans-call-for-new-head-coach%3f_amp=true

[Masterofreality]

This is why newspapers are failing

[IM4X]

Maybe they wait until an inferior Cleveland State team beats them with their hot prospect head coach to ice the cake and eliminate doubt.

Possible. There is an unusual level of silence from the administration. It doesn’t seem like Steele has lost the team. At least not everyone on the team. If he had, I think we might see happening here what happened to Mack in Louisville. Losing the team would certainly force the administration’s hand.

[markchal]

It doesn’t seem like Steele has lost the team. At least not everyone on the team.

I am much less certain about that

[UCGRAD4X]

This is why newspapers are failing

What is this newspaper of which you speak?

What kind of wicked sorcery be this?

The work of the devil, I say!

[bjf123]

What is this newspaper of which you speak?

Hey! I still get a newspaper. And get off my lawn!


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[xu82]

What is this newspaper of which you speak?

What kind of wicked sorcery be this?

The work of the devil, I say!

I believe he is speaking of campfire starter material?

[A Fan]

This is why newspapers are failing
No. Have Failed.

[Xavier]

Possible. There is an unusual level of silence from the administration. It doesn’t seem like Steele has lost the team. At least not everyone on the team. If he had, I think we might see happening here what happened to Mack in Louisville. Losing the team would certainly force the administration’s hand.

I mean, if rumors are true: Zach called out Scruggs for losing the game against butler (after coach Steele said no one lost the game for X. Likely to protect Paul), two all big east players (freshman all big east, and i can’t recall where Zach was last year) are looking to transfer in Colby and Zach. That’s 2 of what, 5 ? Returning rotational players will be leaving. That we know of.

It sure seems like he lost the team to me.

[MHettel]

I mean, if rumors are true: Zach called out Scruggs for losing the game against butler (after coach Steele said no one lost the game for X. Likely to protect Paul), two all big east players (freshman all big east, and i can’t recall where Zach was last year) are looking to transfer in Colby and Zach. That’s 2 of what, 5 ? Returning rotational players will be leaving. That we know of.

It sure seems like he lost the team to me.

Crazy to think ANYONE could point fingers on this team. Free, for instance had his scoring go down by 6 points a game and his rebounding by three. He took 41 3's in 25 games and made 9....

Freemantle must have told the coaches before the year that he was willing to make up for the loss of Carter.

[Xavier]

I don’t know what to tell you but Zach was right. Paul lost the game for Xavier. Sorry. Granted it looks like we had to beat Providence after all so who knows….but if that foul causes X to bring Sean back, I’m all for hanging Scruggs number next to Byron

[GIMMFD]

Would you assume the average X fan is fed up with current status?
I would think over 50% of donating fan base believe this is a travisty and their is only one solution.

I would assume that for sure, I mean, none of my fellow alumni I have talked to are happy about the train wreck that just happened. The thing is Steele's father in law is a big time donor and on the board, wonder what type of politics that has to play about this right now.

[JTG]

I don’t know what to tell you but Zach was right. Paul lost the game for Xavier. Sorry. Granted it looks like we had to beat Providence after all so who knows….but if that foul causes X to bring Sean back, I’m all for hanging Scruggs number next to Byron

This !!