Who do you want coaching x next year

[OTRMUSKIE]

My buddy wants Mack back. I can't stand Mack, I think he screwed is over and I don't want him anywhere near this campus other then to clean it. So, who do you want coaching this team next year.

[GoMuskies]

I voted for Steele as that means we made the Tournament this year.

[drudy23]

If we're talking about WANTS, I'll take Jay Wright.

No one said it had to be realistic.

[American X]

My buddy wants Mack back.

I would tell you to get better friends, but I do not believe that you actually have one.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I would tell you to get better friends, but I do not believe that you actually have one.

I would say the fact you hsvt over 6k post here you don't have any yourself. Maybe we can be friends?

[JTG]

I voted for Steele as that means we made the Tournament this year.

If it meant Miller came back, I would gladly forego the tournament.

[joe titan]

Seriously: Phil Martelli.

[GoMuskies]

Martelli is old as dirt and really wasn't that successful overall at St. Joe's. He likely would have done better somewhere that had more resources, but he's not going to get that chance (outside of 5 games at UM).

[slysyl]

Sean Miller found out the grass isn't greener somewhere else. His wife and kids loved it here. He could be a lifer if given the opportunity. Kids could play for LOVELAND OR MOELLER. A lot of Moeller kids go big time.

[UCGRAD4X]

Like GO, I said Steele because I want him to prove us all wrong and go deep into the tournament.

That would be the best thing for the program all things considered.

[xubrew]

Can someone with ties to what goes on behind the curtain please verify that the important people at Xavier understand that hiring Sean Miller again would be absolutely moronic??

[GoMuskies]

The one thing that has me sort of believing that Miller to Xavier could actually happen is that I think he celebrated more that I did when Arizona missed the last shot to seal Xavier's win over Arizona in the Sweet Sixteen.

[Xville]

Can someone with ties to what goes on behind the curtain please verify that the important people at Xavier understand that hiring Sean Miller again would be absolutely moronic??

Why do you think it is moronic?

[GetUp5]

There is one answer.

Sean Miller.

[paulxu]

I'd like to see Steele succeed. I think that would be good for the everyone concerned.

Wouldn't bother me to have Mack or Miller back if it turned out that way...but how many schools actually take back a coach who leaves for more $, etc.?

[OTRMUSKIE]

Hiring Sean Miller isn't moronic at all. The guy is a helluva coach. Yeah he did some shady things but he said he didn't and I believe him bc I want to.

[chico]

I'd love to see Steele figure it out and make a run this year, but I just don't see it happening. I hope he proves me wrong and the light goes off in the Big East tourney like it did for Miller in the A-10 when he won 4 in 4 days.

If Steele doesn't turn it around I'd take Miller back in a heartbeat. Outside of Matta I think Miller was the best coach this program's ever had.

[JTG]

I'd like to see Steele succeed. I think that would be good for the everyone concerned.

Wouldn't bother me to have Mack or Miller back if it turned out that way...but how many schools actually take back a coach who leaves for more $, etc.?

Whoa, hold on fella. Miller yes, Mack, no way, he was a prick as a student, as a coach @ X, and as a coach @ Lou. Miller is way more genuine than Mack or Matta. The problem is, I doubt Christopher is bright enough to pull it off. Oh, if only Purdue would loan us Bobo for a few months.

[xubrew]

Why do you think it is moronic?

WHY!??!?

Well, I don't think anyone who doesn't have ties to Xavier believes the following narrative...

Sean Miller took over as head coach and struggled the first two years. He then hired Book Richardson, the recruiting significantly improved, and the team became nationally relevant. He then left for Arizona, where he also recruited and won at a high level. While at Arizona, members of his staff went to prison because their recruiting practices violated federal laws. Their recruiting practices were entirely different at Arizona than they were at Xavier because it is much harder to recruit there.


If Xavier hires Sean Miller, that narrative will likely be brought to the forefront and be heavily challenged. Now perhaps that's all true. I'm not going to say that I know for sure. But I gotta admit that it's at least SLIGHTLY suspicious. No one outside of Xavier believes it. Almost no one in the media believes it. When ESPN ran the story about how he was cheating at Arizona, and Miller denied, ESPN never took the story down and basically said "I hope you sue us because if you do, our source will stand up in court." So if Xavier hires Sean Miller again, they better be right that it isn't true because it will almost assuredly be heavily scrutinized. I'd rather leave it on the back burner. Not hiring him just seems like the far less moronic thing to do. Hiring him puts this all on the front burner, so if they do it they better be ready for some heat, and for the media to hammer at it and dig into it. If they find anything, it would be bad. If God forbid it happens again while he's the coach, then many of us might be dead before the program ever recovers.

[xubrew]

Hiring Sean Miller isn't moronic at all. The guy is a helluva coach. Yeah he did some shady things but he said he didn't and I believe him bc I want to.

Oh well, since you put it like that...sure!

[xuwillie]

Oh well, since you put it like that...sure!

Miller please. I just want to be win and be relevant again.

[xubrew]

Miller please. I just want to be win and be relevant again.

I don't know about the winning, but yes if Xavier fires Steale and hires Miller then at least in regards to the media X would likely be quite relevant.

[Xville]

WHY!??!?

Well, I don't think anyone who doesn't have ties to Xavier believes the following narrative...

Sean Miller took over as head coach and struggled the first two years. He then hired Book Richardson, the recruiting significantly improved, and the team became nationally relevant. He then left for Arizona, where he also recruited and won at a high level. While at Arizona, members of his staff went to prison because their recruiting practices violated federal laws. Their recruiting practices were entirely different at Arizona than they were at Xavier because it is much harder to recruit there.


If Xavier hires Sean Miller, that narrative will likely be brought to the forefront and be heavily challenged. Now perhaps that's all true. I'm not going to say that I know for sure. But I gotta admit that it's at least SLIGHTLY suspicious. No one outside of Xavier believes it. Almost no one in the media believes it. When ESPN ran the story about how he was cheating at Arizona, and Miller denied, ESPN never took the story down and basically said "I hope you sue us because if you do, our source will stand up in court." So if Xavier hires Sean Miller again, they better be right that it isn't true because it will almost assuredly be heavily scrutinized. I'd rather leave it on the back burner. Not hiring him just seems like the far less moronic thing to do. Hiring him puts this all on the front burner, so if they do it they better be ready for some heat, and for the media to hammer at it and dig into it. If they find anything, it would be bad. If God forbid it happens again while he's the coach, then many of us might be dead before the program ever recovers.

I can understand how many may feel completely different, but I really don’t care about the above because 1.) I believe all schools have been doing the same crap for decades, some just didn’t get caught. 2.) paying players ( though not directly from the school) is legal now. I understand completely what you are saying, and respect your position, but for me, I just want a guy who can coach, he can.

[paulxu]

Whoa, hold on fella. Miller yes, Mack, no way, he was a prick as a student, as a coach @ X, and as a coach @ Lou. Miller is way more genuine than Mack or Matta. The problem is, I doubt Christopher is bright enough to pull it off. Oh, if only Purdue would loan us Bobo for a few months.

Actually it would bother me to have them back. But for different reasons.
I would like to think we don't need to hire someone who has broken NCAA rules.
All this personal animus about Mack is just weird. We didn't hire him for his personality as a student...we hired him to coach, and he did pretty well.

[Cornbread1190]

rumour mill:
Brad Stevens is eyeballing the X to return to college coaching.

[GoMuskies]

rumour mill:
Brad Stevens is eyeballing the X to return to college coaching.

We really need to change the rules so I can neg this post on both threads.

[smileyy]

rumour mill:
Brad Stevens is eyeballing the X to return to college coaching.

Sure, X will pay him $7M a year.

[Xville]

Where’s the I don’t give a shit as long as it’s not Steele option? Give me Lappas over Steele

[Strange Brew]

Mor.

[CP05XU08CU13]

A coach at a top 25 program that wants to go to a “basketball first” school where he does not have to play second fiddle to football. I am not sure who that is at this time, but Xavier needs a proven winner. No more promoting assistants with no head coaching experience. Mid major coaches are unpredictable. I think Xavier should only go that route if they cannot bring in another coach from a major conference with a winning track record. Steele’s time at XU should be done after the season unless he can magically make the Sweet 16.

[Xavier]

A top 25 college basketball program from a football first school will be able to pay much more than X.

[IM4X]

Actually it would bother me to have them back. But for different reasons.
I would like to think we don't need to hire someone who has broken NCAA rules.
All this personal animus about Mack is just weird. We didn't hire him for his personality as a student...we hired him to coach, and he did pretty well.

Wait. so rule-breaking is a hard no, but being a pompous, self righteous ass who is rude to the media and throws coaches, players and even the former university that hired him under the bus for things he ought to take responsibility for simply because he only wants the credit for his team’s success and none of the blame for his coaching failures is fine.

I’d like to think we can do better than a rule breaker or a jack ass. Mack is a hard pass for me for those reasons too.

[CP05XU08CU13]

A top 25 college basketball program from a football first school will be able to pay much more than X.

I was thinking more along the lines of a Shaka Smart situation. Obviously, he has ties to the Milwaukee area, but I guarantee Texas was paying him more than Marquette. I know it may be a long shot, but maybe Xavier can go that route as well.

[GoMuskies]

Not saying this is the right guy, but I think Xavier could pull a guy like Steve Forbes from a place like Wake Forest. There are definitely "power 5" programs that Xavier would be more attractive than.

[joe titan]

Martelli is old as dirt and really wasn't that successful overall at St. Joe's. He likely would have done better somewhere that had more resources, but he's not going to get that chance (outside of 5 games at UM).

Did much w/little overall @St Joe's; XU's resources these days should suffice. Would coach rings around Hurley, McDermott, Shaka, Anderson, Williard.

[D-West & PO-Z]

A top 25 college basketball program from a football first school will be able to pay much more than X.

100%

[D-West & PO-Z]

I was thinking more along the lines of a Shaka Smart situation. Obviously, he has ties to the Milwaukee area, but I guarantee Texas was paying him more than Marquette. I know it may be a long shot, but maybe Xavier can go that route as well.

Shaka got out before they forced him out. Good hire for Marquette I think but his time had run its course at Texas.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Did much w/little overall @St Joe's; XU's resources these days should suffice. Would coach rings around Hurley, McDermott, Shaka, Anderson, Williard.

Martelli as a top assistant would be great. As our head coach? Hard pass.

[Masterofreality]

Martelli as a top assistant would be great. As our head coach? Hard pass.

Martelli would be recruiting #Death

[D-West & PO-Z]

Martelli would be recruiting #Death

Yeah, good point.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Asking to Hire Norwood Scale VII (look it up) is like asking Xavier to hire Bill Rafferty. Death is coming and we don't need another set back.

[UCGRAD4X]

Asking to Hire Norwood Scale VII (look it up) is like asking Xavier to hire Bill Rafferty. Death is coming and we don't need another set back.

But Raftery is barely a IV. Now Vitale - there's your classic VII

[OTRMUSKIE]

Dick is a classic VII but Phil head is so misshapen that he is the worse VII ever!!

[Xavier]

I’m hearing Miller is not an option. I know Steele was an assistant and it’s risky hiring a first time head coach- I am against that normally, but isn’t Arizona’s coach a long time assistant from Gonzaga? Are there any high profile assistants worth looking at?

[RoseyMuskie]

I’m hearing Miller is not an option. I know Steele was an assistant and it’s risky hiring a first time head coach- I am against that normally, but isn’t Arizona’s coach a long time assistant from Gonzaga? Are there any high profile assistants worth looking at?

Genuinely curious. What have you heard?

[D-West & PO-Z]

I heard from someone well connected Miller is a no go as well. Not surprising I guess but disappointing I think.

[X-band '01]

Just burn the entire Thad Matta coaching tree and look elsewhere. The tree is FUBAR.

[bleedXblue]

I want a coach that will restore playing tough, smart basketball that's built around placing a premium on rebounding and defense first. Recruit players who have high bball IQ and athletic enough to compete in this league.

We've strayed way too far from a formula that worked for 30+ years.

[Dblue]

I heard from someone well connected Miller is a no go as well. Not surprising I guess but disappointing I think.

But is this only because we have someone in the position? Any chance that could change if there were an opening?

[GoMuskies]

I want a coach that will restore playing tough, smart basketball that's built around placing a premium on rebounding and defense first.


Gregg Marshall is just sitting out here in Wichita doing nothing. Lol

[Xville]

Whoever it is, I want the x identity back that made the program so successful for thirty plus years, I think some of that was lost when mack became coach, and Steele just obliterated it.

Defense, rebounding, strong player development, and a culture of strong upperclassmen leadership.

[Xer4ever]

I want a coach that will restore playing tough, smart basketball that's built around placing a premium on rebounding and defense first. Recruit players who have high bball IQ and athletic enough to compete in this league.

We've strayed way too far from a formula that worked for 30+ years.

That sounds easy enough!

[Xuperman]

That sounds easy enough!

It will be if X can offer Matt McMahon a hefty contract. He won't be at Murray St next year.

[X-band '01]

There may be folks at Xavier AND Louisville that are placing calls to the 270 area code as we speak. X ain't outbidding Louisville if McMahon is their #1 target.

[GoMuskies]

McMahon won't start as their #1 target, but they could certainly work their way down to him.

[Xuperman]

McMahon won't start as their #1 target, but they could certainly work their way down to him.

Maybe, but if ANY team making a coaching change wants to go young with the bullet, it's McMahon.

[Xuperman]

Let me put on my troll hat.

I like Steve Alford. He's dying on the vine in the desert and badly needs a re-boot. Highly experienced big name with tri-state roots. He could work some magic with the resources X has to offer.

[bleedXblue]

Let me put on my troll hat.

I like Steve Alford. He's dying on the vine in the desert and badly needs a re-boot. Highly experienced big name with tri-state roots. He could work some magic with the resources X has to offer.

No fing way. No way.

[CP05XU08CU13]

Let Dante Jackson finish out the season! He had fire when he played and could not be any worse than Steele at this time. Let’s see if he can light a fire under this team and turn them around the last few games. Not saying he should get the job after the season by any means, but maybe he can create a spark.

[Xer4ever]

Let me put on my troll hat.

I like Steve Alford. He's dying on the vine in the desert and badly needs a re-boot. Highly experienced big name with tri-state roots. He could work some magic with the resources X has to offer.

You intrigued me with McMahon, then totally lost me with Alford. McMahon is the most interesting name I’ve heard. Problem is he’s a southern boy, and they always go home to momma. Don’t want no more steppingstone.

[GoMuskies]

Let Dante Jackson finish out the season! He had fire when he played and could not be any worse than Steele at this time. Let’s see if he can light a fire under this team and turn them around the last few games. Not saying he should get the job after the season by any means, but maybe he can create a spark.

I don't really see anything in Dante's history that would indicate that he'd be remotely qualified to take the #1 chair even for a day. I suspect he's part of the problem.

[JTG]

Let me put on my troll hat.

I like Steve Alford. He's dying on the vine in the desert and badly needs a re-boot. Highly experienced big name with tri-state roots. He could work some magic with the resources X has to offer.

Alford is wilting because he let a rapist stay on the Iowa team when he was there. No thanks.

[bleedXblue]

You intrigued me with McMahon, then totally lost me with Alford. McMahon is the most interesting name I’ve heard. Problem is he’s a southern boy, and they always go home to momma. Don’t want no more steppingstone.

Stepping stone worked very well for X

[xu82]

Stepping stone worked very well for X

Yep, until……..it didn’t.

[Xavier]

Stepping stone worked very well for X

Exactly. All that means is X is doing pretty good if other high programs want our coach. I’d kill to be in that spot again

[bleedXblue]

Yep, until……..it didn’t.

Steele wont be leaving on his own accord......

If you're referring to promoting from within, that a different conversation entirely.

[xu82]

Exactly. All that means is X is doing pretty good if other high programs want our coach. I’d kill to be in that spot again

We will never be the wealthiest program, and we have never (yet) found the guy who would stay, our Mark Few. I think our formula worked pretty well for a while.

On the flip side, we can all be relieved that nobody is going to want to poach our coach these days! :-)

[xu82]

Steele wont be leaving on his own accord......

If you're referring to promoting from within, that a different conversation entirely.


Every new hire is a gamble. We had a good run going, and finally whiffed. In hindsight, it was the logical move. It just didn’t work out. That happens. Time to face the facts and do what needs to be done.

[CP05XU08CU13]

I don't really see anything in Dante's history that would indicate that he'd be remotely qualified to take the #1 chair even for a day. I suspect he's part of the problem.

Hypothetically speaking, if Steele were fired today for the embarrassing display yesterday, who would you have coach the rest of the season? I know it is not going to happen, but just curious.

[SkyWalker]

Remember when we were the little engine that could? Now we're the big engine that jumped the track.

[GoMuskies]

Hypothetically speaking, if Steele were fired today for the embarrassing display yesterday, who would you have coach the rest of the season? I know it is not going to happen, but just curious.

Jonas Hayes

[D-West & PO-Z]

But is this only because we have someone in the position? Any chance that could change if there were an opening?

Not according to the person I heard it from. But I hope they are wrong!

[CP05XU08CU13]

Jonas Hayes

That would probably make more sense. Good point. Still wishful thinking at this point.

[GoMuskies]

It seems like there's a decent chance Hayes is Georgia's coach next year. So we could have Minnesota and Georgia hiring from our assistant group over the last two years.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It seems like there's a decent chance Hayes is Georgia's coach next year. So we could have Minnesota and Georgia hiring from our assistant group over the last two years.

That would be astonishing wouldn't it? Would seem to suggest Steele is even worse than we think, as I think a lot of us seem to think that his assistants may be an issue in not helping him much.

[Xer4ever]

Exactly. All that means is X is doing pretty good if other high programs want our coach. I’d kill to be in that spot again

What you guys forget, is it worked well in a mid major conference where a young inexperienced coach could cut his chops against the Duquesne, Fordham, Dayton (had to include them), etc. In that league a young inexperienced coach was on even ground with most other coaches in the league. In the Big East, the average years of experience is 13 years! Let me say that again, 13 years average experience and many are considered to be at the top of their trade. So to compare what how we used to be successful is apples and oranges.

[X-band '01]

It seems like there's a decent chance Hayes is Georgia's coach next year. So we could have Minnesota and Georgia hiring from our assistant group over the last two years.

Maybe we ought to look at the Kelvin Sampson coaching tree. We owe him so much for Drew Lavender and Tu Holloway.

[chico]

If Miller is out of the equation then maybe Dennis Gates at Cleveland St. would be a nice fallback.

[Masterofreality]

If Miller is out of the equation then maybe Dennis Gates at Cleveland St. would be a nice fallback.

I like Gates! But I still gotta say a “Lot to Prove” Sean Miller. If free from sanctions and “show cause”.

[bjf123]

(slipping on flame retardant suit) Pat Kelsey anyone?


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[Masterofreality]

[QUOTE=bjf123;725123](slipping on flame retardant suit) Pat Kelsey anyone?

Kelsey absolutely could not be worse. At least we’d see some kind of coherent offensive and defensive schemes

[bjf123]

I’m sure he’ll want the job if it’s available.


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[xudash]

I like Gates! But I still gotta say a “Lot to Prove” Sean Miller. If free from sanctions and “show cause”.

I would really like to know whether or not Sean Miller is officially out of the picture. In my humble opinion, I promise you that that makes absolutely zero sense to me.

The timing could not be better or more dramatic. Damn any negative press that would come with the higher. For the love of Mike, turn it around: we are a Catholic school, the guy knows how to coach, and we are giving him a second chance to do it the right way.

Two words: fix this. Actually, three words: fix this now.

[IM4X]

I would really like to know whether or not Sean Miller is officially out of the picture. In my humble opinion, I promise you that that makes absolutely zero sense to me.

The timing could not be better or more dramatic. Damn any negative press that would come with the higher. For the love of Mike, turn it around: we are a Catholic school, the guy knows how to coach, and we are giving him a second chance to do it the right way.

Two words: fix this. Actually, three words: fix this now.

There is a way to get the X program turned around and have two former coaches redeem themselves for leaving the school and upsetting X fans.

X could put a deal together to get Miller and Matta to reunite at X as a package and prove X is a school that can get to its first Final Four (and NCAA Championship) with their help. It’s great for the school, the basketball program, the two coaches and the fans.

It would be a huge PR opportunity, potentially creating a lot of buzz -
“X Prodigal Sons Return to restore the program to its former glory and even take it to new heights.”

[xudash]

There is a way to get the X program turned around and have two former coaches redeem themselves for leaving the school and upsetting X fans.

X could put a deal together to get Miller and Matta to reunite at X as a package and prove X is a school that can get to its first Final Four (and NCAA Championship) with their help. It’s great for the school, the basketball program, the two coaches and the fans.

It would be a huge PR opportunity, potentially creating a lot of buzz -
“X Prodigal Sons Return to restore the program to its former glory and even take it to new heights.”

This is exactly the thought process I am looking for. Effing seize the day.

[Backyard Champ]

X could put a deal together to get Miller and Matta to reunite at X as a package and prove X is a school that can get to its first Final Four (and NCAA Championship) with their help. It’s great for the school, the basketball program, the two coaches and the fans.

It would be a huge PR opportunity, potentially creating a lot of buzz -


Is this a joke??

[IM4X]

Is this a joke??

It is until it is not. How about that?

[Xavier]

Maybe if they are willing to come cheap? No way X could afford that with a buyout. Plus…I know Indiana is fallen but why would matta take the same role at X?

I agree with everyone- bring Sean back, what went on at Arizona is all but legal these days. The chance more sanctions come down on Sean are so small. And if they do, it wouldn’t be much IMO. I get it though, it’s not happening. The thought has to move from Sean to someone else. Wish it wasn’t the case and hope my sources are wrong

[Backyard Champ]

It is until it is not. How about that?

Honestly just didn’t know. Seems like there are a ton on this board foolish enough to think that is a possibility, and that pitch is appealing to both of them.

[Irishjohn68]

I’ll take Mack first then Miller. Steele SUCKS.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I’m sure he’ll want the job if it’s available.


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I was curious how he was doing at CoC relative to preseason expectations this year.

Preseason prediction: 7
Current standings: 6

For what that is worth, if anything.

[xavbball]

I agree with everyone- bring Sean back, what went on at Arizona is all but legal these days. The chance more sanctions come down on Sean are so small. And if they do, it wouldn’t be much IMO. I get it though, it’s not happening. The thought has to move from Sean to someone else. Wish it wasn’t the case and hope my sources are wrong

What exactly are your "sources" saying?

Sean Miller is an ELITE basketball coach. If he's interested in the position, the administration should do whatever they can to get him.

[MHettel]

There is a way to get the X program turned around and have two former coaches redeem themselves for leaving the school and upsetting X fans.

X could put a deal together to get Miller and Matta to reunite at X as a package and prove X is a school that can get to its first Final Four (and NCAA Championship) with their help. It’s great for the school, the basketball program, the two coaches and the fans.

It would be a huge PR opportunity, potentially creating a lot of buzz -
“X Prodigal Sons Return to restore the program to its former glory and even take it to new heights.”

I don’t smoke crack. But if I did, I’ll have what you are having.

[Blue Blooded-05]

X could put a deal together to get Miller and Matta to reunite at X as a package and prove X is a school that can get to its first Final Four (and NCAA Championship) with their help. It’s great for the school, the basketball program, the two coaches and the fans.

Great idea! While we’re at it, maybe we can get Coach K (I hear he’ll be available next year) and reincarnate Coach Wooden.

Not sure if this was serious, but I love the optimism...

Look, I don’t have any inside “sources” like some on here claim... but I am pretty proficient at turning oxygen into carbon dioxide. In all likelihood, Matta and Miller see Xavier as nothing more than a former employer. Our interests were aligned for a period of time. Then they weren’t. Now they’re not.

The only glimmer of hope on Miller is that we showed the belief in him to give him his first big break. However, who is making that phone call? Sister Rose? No one who made the Miller hire is still affiliated with the school.

To be clear, id love to get Miller back. I just don’t think it’s that realistic. Hope I’m wrong.

[Xuperman]

Matt Langel and Nick McDevitt are young HC's that are building nice resumes. Both will probably move up sooner than later.

[muskieindent]

I like Miller but I can't see Xavier taking on that baggage. Jonas is a curious choice.Why is he getting so much attention from other schools when he's an assistant for a coach who hasn't been very successful? I'm not convinced that X will get rid of Steele regardless of what happens here which will make for a very depressing 2022-23 season. I think the booing we heard recently will be replaced by apathy which is even worse

[MHettel]

No more "first timers."

We may have had the lowest "coaches salary cost per win" over the last 35 years of any program. I understand that continued success doing it that way should be reason enough to stick with that approach.....until it stops working. And it HAS stopped working.

We will need to "pay up" for the next guy.

No more newbies.

[Murph85]

Great idea! While we’re at it, maybe we can get Coach K (I hear he’ll be available next year) and reincarnate Coach Wooden.

Not sure if this was serious, but I love the optimism...

Look, I don’t have any inside “sources” like some on here claim... but I am pretty proficient at turning oxygen into carbon dioxide. In all likelihood, Matta and Miller see Xavier as nothing more than a former employer. Our interests were aligned for a period of time. Then they weren’t. Now they’re not.

The only glimmer of hope on Miller is that we showed the belief in him to give him his first big break. However, who is making that phone call? Sister Rose? No one who made the Miller hire is still affiliated with the school.

To be clear, id love to get Miller back. I just don’t think it’s that realistic. Hope I’m wrong.


You would not have to ask twice. He would jump at the chance. First hand info.

[bleedXblue]

You would not have to ask twice. He would jump at the chance. First hand info.

First hand? Really?

[D-West & PO-Z]

First hand? Really?

He's talking about Coach K. He's being sarcastic.

(Well, that is how I initially read it at least. Unless he's Sean Miller's cousin!)

[Murph85]

He's talking about Coach K. He's being sarcastic.

(Well, that is how I initially read it at least. Unless he's Sean Miller's cousin!)


He was at the UConn game. In a box. He loves X and his wife loves Milford as well. Had some real praise for the University and specifically how basketball friendly it is.

[X-band '01]

Matt Langel and Nick McDevitt are young HC's that are building nice resumes. Both will probably move up sooner than later.

Langel? He seems to be at a decent level at Colgate.

Also replace McDevitt with Grant McCasland down at North Texas. At least get the cream of the crop if you're looking at C-DOA.

[X Factor]

Eric Henderson...SDSU

He's going to end up in a power conference soon.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Andy Furman brought up a name. A young coach from Bryant. Has 19 wins this year so far. He said he talked to him and he said if Xavier was open he would walk from Rhode Island to Cincinnati.

[GoMuskies]

Uh, hard pass.

[OTRMUSKIE]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Grasso

[D-West & PO-Z]

He was at the UConn game. In a box. He loves X and his wife loves Milford as well. Had some real praise for the University and specifically how basketball friendly it is.

I don't doubt Miller would have some interest. Does all that count first hand knowledge?

[GoMuskies]

I suspect Miller would crawl to Victory Parkway to take the Xavier job.

[Xuperman]

Langel? He seems to be at a decent level at Colgate.

Also replace McDevitt with Grant McCasland down at North Texas. At least get the cream of the crop if you're looking at C-DOA.

I'm just killing time and doodling the "no more Steele" scenario. Langel is moving up for sure.....can you say Jay Wright? Grant is also on the move for sure, and the Cleveland St guy is going to get paid sooner than later.

[X-band '01]

I'm just waiting for Tim Miles and Jim Les to be mentioned as candidates. Even though one of them inherited a tire fire at San Jose State.

[Xuperman]

IMO, what you want is a young charismatic guy, WITH HC experience, that can own the room. There are always going to be people that can be difference makers.

Matt McMahon.

[X-band '01]

I don't think there are any objections to McMahon, but as was alluded to earlier, you better hope Kenny Payne or someone else gets the Louisville gig first.

[Xuperman]

I don't think there are any objections to McMahon, but as was alluded to earlier, you better hope Kenny Payne or someone else gets the Louisville gig first.

No doubt. Even odds he ends up there. Just trying to get in the Xavier coaching change mindset.

[IM4X]

Great idea! While we’re at it, maybe we can get Coach K (I hear he’ll be available next year) and reincarnate Coach Wooden.

Not sure if this was serious, but I love the optimism...

Look, I don’t have any inside “sources” like some on here claim... but I am pretty proficient at turning oxygen into carbon dioxide. In all likelihood, Matta and Miller see Xavier as nothing more than a former employer. Our interests were aligned for a period of time. Then they weren’t. Now they’re not.

The only glimmer of hope on Miller is that we showed the belief in him to give him his first big break. However, who is making that phone call? Sister Rose? No one who made the Miller hire is still affiliated with the school.

To be clear, id love to get Miller back. I just don’t think it’s that realistic. Hope I’m wrong.

You know, I honestly have no idea how likely a possibility the idea I proposed is, but I too am an optimist and I like to think just about anything is possible with the right circumstances. In fact, I’ve been told by more than a few people in my lifetime that something I proposed wasn’t possible. That made it more fun when I went out and proved to them it was. Just because something hasn’t been done before doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea that isn’t possible.

I just don’t get it when a person who doesn’t really have a clue one way or another as to what really is or isn’t possible in a particular situation feels the need to chime in and make an unsubstantiated, dismissive and condescending remark like, “There’s no way in hell that will ever happen. What are you high?”

If someone doesn’t know with 100% certainty whether something is possible or not then they really ought to refrain from making those kind of remarks.

The last time I suggested a rather unorthodox idea that X should think about doing to help the coaching situation, I got a response stating “there’s no way” such a person would ever agree to it. Then that exact person ended up agreeing to basically the same thing at IU a few months later. The point is… If you think there there is even a small chance a very good situation is possible, it doesn’t hurt to ask.”

[Xuperman]

You do realize that your premise is only bat shit crazy when mentioning Matta?

[IM4X]

You do realize that your premise is only bat shit crazy when mentioning Matta?

I’m not following. Maybe I missed something.

[paulxu]

IMO, what you want is a young charismatic guy, WITH HC experience, that can own the room. There are always going to be people that can be difference makers.

Like, well, Archie Miller at Indiana.

[Blue Blooded-05]

You know, I honestly have no idea how likely a possibility the idea I proposed is, but I too am an optimist and I like to think just about anything is possible with the right circumstances. In fact, I’ve been told by more than a few people in my lifetime that something I proposed wasn’t possible. That made it more fun when I went out and proved to them it was. Just because something hasn’t been done before doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea that isn’t possible.

I just don’t get it when a person who doesn’t really have a clue one way or another as to what really is or isn’t possible in a particular situation feels the need to chime in and make an unsubstantiated, dismissive and condescending remark like, “There’s no way in hell that will ever happen. What are you high?”

If someone doesn’t know with 100% certainty whether something is possible or not then they really ought to refrain from making those kind of remarks.

The last time I suggested a rather unorthodox idea that X should think about doing to help the coaching situation, I got a response stating “there’s no way” such a person would ever agree to it. Then that exact person ended up agreeing to basically the same thing at IU a few months later. The point is… If you think there there is even a small chance a very good situation is possible, it doesn’t hurt to ask.”


I agree with Miller. There’s a glimmer of hope...

There’s only a glimmer because Miller has sentimental reasons to consider coming back to X. We gave him his first HC gig and we both have unfinished business (cough Final Four cough). Furthermore, there aren’t many places left in the NCAA where you have the ability to cast your own shadow that others will have to follow. He could be the first Sean Miller instead of the next Lute Olson.

Without that sentimental appeal, let’s face it, X is a tough sell for an established coach. We’re offering all of the expectations with a fraction of the resources and pay.

Short of bringing Matta back as AD, there’s no way he comes back.

[CagedLavender]

I hope someone out there with more time than I can figure out the real risk to the basketball program in relation to Miller's NCAA transgressions. He was hit with one Level 1 charge for the lack of oversight of two assistants. Is that it? He was part of a self-imposed postseason ban that UA went through so does he get any credit for good behavior with that? How much does the shift in NCAA policy allow players to make endorsement deals factor into the situation?

X would be doing its basketball program a disservice if it did not kick the tires on bring Miller in for an encore run! He recruits/recruited better than the current coach too, right? I mean he had several Top 5 recruiting classes so I do not feel that him taking over is much of a risk to next years recruits, or the ability to find suitable replacements.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I hope someone out there with more time than I can figure out the real risk to the basketball program in relation to Miller's NCAA transgressions. He was hit with one Level 1 charge for the lack of oversight of two assistants. Is that it? He was part of a self-imposed postseason ban that UA went through so does he get any credit for good behavior with that? How much does the shift in NCAA policy allow players to make endorsement deals factor into the situation?

X would be doing its basketball program a disservice if it did not kick the tires on bring Miller in for an encore run! He recruits/recruited better than the current coach too, right? I mean he had several Top 5 recruiting classes so I do not feel that him taking over is much of a risk to next years recruits, or the ability to find suitable replacements.

With guys like Pitino, Self, Wade all currently employed, I would have no issue hiring Sean Miller.

[Xville]

With guys like Pitino, Self, Wade all currently employed, I would have no issue hiring Sean Miller.

so, the new panel that is deciding these things have come out and said that they do not want to punish the schools for things that people did that are no longer there. In other words, I doubt Louisville regarding the Bruce Bowen thing get a post season ban...I'm sure they will get some fines but outside of that, I doubt anything happens with the school. Pitino will probably get a 5-10 game suspension and have to pay back some money and that will be that.

In other words, I'll take not having Miller for 5-10 games if it means we can have him at X for years. Also, who cares...most of this stuff is legal now anyways so I don't know why people care about "optics" or whatever else pearl clutching nonsense. Get a coach that can actually coach.

[MHettel]

so, the new panel that is deciding these things have come out and said that they do not want to punish the schools for things that people did that are no longer there. In other words, I doubt Louisville regarding the Bruce Bowen thing get a post season ban...I'm sure they will get some fines but outside of that, I doubt anything happens with the school. Pitino will probably get a 5-10 game suspension and have to pay back some money and that will be that.

In other words, I'll take not having Miller for 5-10 games if it means we can have him at X for years. Also, who cares...most of this stuff is legal now anyways so I don't know why people care about "optics" or whatever else pearl clutching nonsense. Get a coach that can actually coach.

I get the main points here. I personally make a distinction between illegal recruiting that occurred under Miller's watch without his knowledge, and him directing the activity. Book clearly did it. He admitted as much. But he implicated Sean, which has not yet been proven.

If Book went rogue, using his own money and Sean as a front in order to further his own reputation as a recruiter, then i've got no issues. If Sean enabled or encouraged it, I'm not sure we should bring in a guy that has already cheated once. Those guys tend to be repeat offenders (Pearl, Sampson, Pitino, Cal).

[Drew]

I get the main points here. I personally make a distinction between illegal recruiting that occurred under Miller's watch without his knowledge, and him directing the activity. Book clearly did it. He admitted as much. But he implicated Sean, which has not yet been proven.

If Book went rogue, using his own money and Sean as a front in order to further his own reputation as a recruiter, then i've got no issues. If Sean enabled or encouraged it, I'm not sure we should bring in a guy that has already cheated once. Those guys tend to be repeat offenders (Pearl, Sampson, Pitino, Cal).

I believe 3 of the coaches you posted currently have their teams ranked in the top 10, so not bad company to keep. And to quote Bob Huggins, " just cuz you broke an NCAA rule doesn't mean you did anything wrong"