Could offseason transfers be Steele's downfall?

[bleedXblue]

I could easily see a scenario where we lose 3-4 guys to transfer because of lack of player development and confidence in the leader/coaching staff of this program.

Any combination of Jones, Free, Nunge, Edwards and Odom where we lose 2-3 of these guys and that might be the straw that breaks the camels back.

[kxblue]

Sadly I think it’s inevitable that we either start losing players to transfers or just lose recruits. You had Tandy who was all big East freshman team, Freemantle, Scruggs, Naji all were somewhere in the all big East landscape. And yet all of these players don’t get better and seem to regress.

I actually think Colby would be making a grave mistake if he chose to stay.

I hope X figures it out. I think the ship has sailed on Steele clearly. Our opinion doesn’t really matter but the players aren’t buying in anymore. The longer we wait, the more money it’s going to take to dig out of this hole. And unfortunately X doesn’t have unlimited money. We will have to go for a young and up and coming coach, and the Big East is a much more difficult learning environment than the A10.

[xuphan]

I could easily see a scenario where we lose 3-4 guys to transfer because of lack of player development and confidence in the leader/coaching staff of this program.

Any combination of Jones, Free, Nunge, Edwards and Odom where we lose 2-3 of these guys and that might be the straw that breaks the camels back.

I actually think losing 3-4 guys to the portal would help this team. This is basically the same team as last year who collapsed in February. This team is just not built for the Big East and a culture change is needed. It would help this team to lose some dead weight and find players in the portal like Nunge who can come in and help. I know it won’t happen and I might be in the minority but I would mind Free moving on. He just doesn’t have it between the ears to be a productive big man in the Big East. If I were Steele, I would try to move him on as well as Tandy, Miles. The hit the portal hard for a good shooting SG/Wing and a Big East physical Big.

[Xville]

As long as Steele is the coach, this will be Xavier basketball.

[kxblue]

I actually think losing 3-4 guys to the portal would help this team. This is basically the same team as last year who collapsed in February. This team is just not built for the Big East and a culture change is needed. It would help this team to lose some dead weight and find players in the portal like Nunge who can come in and help. I know it won’t happen and I might be in the minority but I would mind Free moving on. He just doesn’t have it between the ears to be a productive big man in the Big East. If I were Steele, I would try to move him on as well as Tandy, Miles. The hit the portal hard for a good shooting SG/Wing and a Big East physical Big.

I find it concerning that our best players are consistently transfers. We are moving on from players who were 4 star recruits, all big-east selections. Im not sure i believe they just forgot how to play basketball all of a sudden. I find it much easier to believe that we dont have someone who has a plan.

Saying a 20yr old doesnt have it between the ears is pretty crazy. I def dont think i had it between the ears at 20. I would say thats the guy who is getting paid millions of dollars job.

[SkyWalker]

I really think it could be more than 3 or 4 that transfer. I doubt that Freemantle transfers since he's All Big East and gets all the minutes he wants. Kunkel will likely be back but who else on the roster wouldn't at least consider transferring if this ship continues to sink.

[Xville]

I really think it could be more than 3 or 4 that transfer. I doubt that Freemantle transfers since he's All Big East and gets all the minutes he wants. Kunkel will likely be back but who else on the roster wouldn't at least consider transferring if this ship continues to sink.

Colby could be a player for someone that can coach him. If I’m him, I’m gone if this staff is back..along with kyky, Edwards, Odom, miles at the very least

[kane79]

Colby could be a player for someone that can coach him. If I’m him, I’m gone if this staff is back..along with kyky, Edwards, Odom, miles at the very least

kyky already used the transfer portal once and came back, isn't if he transfers again he would then be required to sit out a year? the free transfer is only a 1 time thing.

[xuphan]

Colby could be a player for someone that can coach him. If I’m him, I’m gone if this staff is back..along with kyky, Edwards, Odom, miles at the very least

The staff would really have to hit the transfer portal then.

[IM4X]

Holy crap. Let’s stop pitching to our players that they’re better off transferring!

Yes, we need to turn this mess around, but I don’t want next year’s starters getting ideas we want them to move on. I don’t want us to be left next year with the same Steele and a bunch of walk-ons.

We simply want this team to play better together for 40 minutes - and that starts with the coach preparing his team better and not F’n things up during the game by inserting a lineup that my 4th grader could tell you wasn’t going to match up well at all against the 5 the other team has on the court will at the time.

[Xville]

Holy crap. Let’s stop pitching to our players that they’re better off transferring!

Yes, we need to turn this mess around, but I don’t want next year’s starters getting ideas we want them to move on. I don’t want us to be left next year with the same Steele and a bunch of walk-ons.

We simply want this team to play better together for 40 minutes - and that starts with the coach preparing his team better and not F’n things up during the game by inserting a lineup that my 4th grader could tell you wasn’t going to match up well at all against the 5 the other team has on the court will at the time.

I care about the players well being. If this staff is retained, they are better elsewhere.

Would I like the light to suddenly turn on for this Saturday morning cartoon of a staff? Sure, but after four years I don’t see it. There is more useful coaching going on down at the y on a Wednesday afternoon.

[UCGRAD4X]

kyky already used the transfer portal once and came back, isn't if he transfers again he would then be required to sit out a year? the free transfer is only a 1 time thing.

Since he didn't actually transfer, I would assume it doesn't count.

[markchal]

this is a bizarre take...Steele is too much of a player's coach, that's his downfall. Not sure that leads to transfers, that's kinda out there. No one is really getting shafted in playing time either. I guess I could see Tucker leaving since I don't know how he'll beat out the incoming wings...or maybe Edwards since he's fourth in a four-man forward rotation that all returns next year.

It's been awhile since we've had a transfer that was actually impactful elsewhere at a good school. I don't even remember the last...maybe Dez? (and that was a *unique* situation).

I don't think players that committed to him or have played for him are going to leave because we've lost a few more than we should've. I don't think Jones and Odom care as much as we do about what happened before they got here with the Q/Naji teams.

[xuwillie]

this is a bizarre take...Steele is too much of a player's coach, that's his downfall. Not sure that leads to transfers, that's kinda out there. No one is really getting shafted in playing time either. I guess I could see Tucker leaving since I don't know how he'll beat out the incoming wings...or maybe Edwards since he's fourth in a four-man forward rotation that all returns next year.

It's been awhile since we've had a transfer that was actually impactful elsewhere at a good school. I don't even remember the last...maybe Dez? (and that was a *unique* situation).

I don't think players that committed to him or have played for him are going to leave because we've lost a few more than we should've. I don't think Jones and Odom care as much as we do about what happened before they got here with the Q/Naji teams.


Players will leave due to player development. Not one player Steele has coached has gotten better.

[bleedXblue]

this is a bizarre take...Steele is too much of a player's coach, that's his downfall. Not sure that leads to transfers, that's kinda out there. No one is really getting shafted in playing time either. I guess I could see Tucker leaving since I don't know how he'll beat out the incoming wings...or maybe Edwards since he's fourth in a four-man forward rotation that all returns next year.

It's been awhile since we've had a transfer that was actually impactful elsewhere at a good school. I don't even remember the last...maybe Dez? (and that was a *unique* situation).

I don't think players that committed to him or have played for him are going to leave because we've lost a few more than we should've. I don't think Jones and Odom care as much as we do about what happened before they got here with the Q/Naji teams.

LOL, yeah ok. Players not getting better and not developing isn't a reason why someone would transfer b/c Steele is a players coach?

[xukeith]

I would believe players want to play. More playing time = happier athlete. Jones is a contributor and valuable piece. So are Freematle, Nunge and Odom.

I don't believe the current players are angry or revolting. They love the teammates and staff.
Now they might be looking for greener pastures but outside of Hunter, Stanley, and Edwards, I don't see a bunch of transfers.
This team will be in NCAA tourney. Meltdowns from players , I doubt we will see.

Fans? Yes lots of upset fans.

[xukeith]

Players will leave due to player development. Not one player Steele has coached has gotten better.

Name all the X transfers that you know left because they were not developed.

[Xville]

Name all the X transfers that you know left because they were not developed.

So just because it may not have happened yet that we know of, means it won’t?

[markchal]

LOL, yeah ok. Players not getting better and not developing isn't a reason why someone would transfer b/c Steele is a players coach?

I mean, if you were a fairly high recruit and you're getting a lot of minutes and you get along with the coach...you would leave because "they aren't developing" you enough???? Like, what does that even mean? I imagine most (good) players would put the onus on themselves to get better and improve. I don't think they'd blame the coach for not giving them the right instruction or drills. The guys seem to play hard and seem to get along pretty well, so I'd be shocked if anyone in the rotation would transfer.

[Xavier]

Yeah, that’s going to be a tough sell to new teams. “The coaches didn’t develop me enough” That’s not to say they won’t transfer- just that wouldn’t be the reason for it.

For the fans it certainly feels like a hard situation. It’s exhausting as fans, can only imagine how the players feel. Still, I don’t see any of Odom/Jones/Freemantle/Nunge/Kunkel leaving. (Unless Nunge wants to go to Europe which I could see).

[D-West & PO-Z]

I mean, if you were a fairly high recruit and you're getting a lot of minutes and you get along with the coach...you would leave because "they aren't developing" you enough???? Like, what does that even mean? I imagine most (good) players would put the onus on themselves to get better and improve. I don't think they'd blame the coach for not giving them the right instruction or drills. The guys seem to play hard and seem to get along pretty well, so I'd be shocked if anyone in the rotation would transfer.

Yeah I agree. Thinking someone like Colby or Odom will transfer is an odd take to me as well.

[xavierj]

Yeah I don’t see anyone leaving. The players seem to love Steele. As for development I would like to see Zach gain some freaking weight. How can he be in his third year of college and still weight 215 lbs. no wonder he gets tossed all over the place on the Big East. If not then Xavier needs to add someone 6’9” 245

[bleedXblue]

Some of you are ignoring the open recruiting (now) that happens after the season and the promise that other programs can offer to a player. I'm not discounting players liking Steele. But if a program comes calling and any one of our players is the "missing piece" to a Final Four run, that's an awfully enticing proposition depending on the program. Add to that, A LOT of these guys have pro aspirations. They can clearly see the lack of development in their own games and everyone else's and question the system (like we all are) and see greener pastures somewhere else.

Xavier has been spoiled not being in this position for many, many years. But, unfortunately we are. IMHO

[Xville]

Yeah guys will transfer this year. It may only be one or two, but this past year, there were something like twice as many players as teams in the portal. It may or may not be for reasons listed here, but to think no one from the program is going to transfer is just sticking one’s head in the sand.

[xavierj]

Yeah guys will transfer this year. It may only be one or two, but this past year, there were something like twice as many players as teams in the portal. It may or may not be for reasons listed here, but to think no one from the program is going to transfer is just sticking one’s head in the sand.

Miles will and should. I don’t see anyone else leaving. Jack won’t as he wants to be here and his brother will be on the team next year. Hunter could to a lower level and other than that maybe Zach. Don’t see Colby or Dwon going anywhere. It will be Dwons team to run.

[markchal]

Yeah guys will transfer this year. It may only be one or two, but this past year, there were something like twice as many players as teams in the portal. It may or may not be for reasons listed here, but to think no one from the program is going to transfer is just sticking one’s head in the sand.

no one is saying there won't be ANY transfers...it just won't be key players. Obviously people transfer every year, and none of our transfers lately have gone on to do anything incredible at other schools (James/Harden/Bishop/Carter/etc.). Would not be surprised if Tandy, Miles, Tucker or even Hunter transferred.

I think it would be an incredible longshot for one of our rotational players to leave. They will all have even BIGGER roles next year, we play a lot of high profile games, they (seemingly) like the school and the coach...I just don't see it happening

[Xavier]

He wouldn’t be used here I’m sure- but I do think Whilcher is showing he could’ve been a rotational asset to the team this year. He is shooting 38% from 3 and averaging 8 a game off the bench at Nebraska. Just with how poor shooting is, I’d take his 3 point shot. Seems like he probably saw Johnson had his role.

Outside of that, and even he is a stretch, there hasn’t been any transfers I’m upset we didn’t retain. That trend will continue this season.

[xukeith]

This was said all last year. Rinse and repeat. A close source says every player transfers to Wichita State.

[xukeith]

Some of you are ignoring the open recruiting (now) that happens after the season and the promise that other programs can offer to a player. I'm not discounting players liking Steele. But if a program comes calling and any one of our players is the "missing piece" to a Final Four run, that's an awfully enticing proposition depending on the program. Add to that, A LOT of these guys have pro aspirations. They can clearly see the lack of development in their own games and everyone else's and question the system (like we all are) and see greener pastures somewhere else.

Xavier has been spoiled not being in this position for many, many years. But, unfortunately we are. IMHO

You must be a father of one of X's bball players. How could you know any player specifically is disappointed with their development? I am sure last year "fans" thought players were not developed. Why didn't X lose 5-6 players from transfers last year?

[Xville]

You must be a father of one of X's bball players. How could you know any player specifically is disappointed with their development? I am sure last year "fans" thought players were not developed. Why didn't X lose 5-6 players from transfers last year?

Well 4 went to the portal, 3 left.

[GoMuskies]

A close source says every player transfers to Wichita State.

My sources here have given me the unofficial response from the WSU staff: "Please don't"

[GoMuskies]

The one major positive I have seen from Steele is that the players are pretty loyal to him. Scruggs and Johnson coming back are pretty clear examples of that. Now, maybe that changes this offseason, but I'm not particularly worried that we're going to have a mass transfer of guys that Steele wants to stay.

[Mrs. Garrett]

The one major positive I have seen from Steele is that the players are pretty loyal to him. Scruggs and Johnson coming back are pretty clear examples of that. Now, maybe that changes this offseason, but I'm not particularly worried that we're going to have a mass transfer of guys that Steele wants to stay.

Agree. Add a guy like KyKy coming back who had every reason to transfer and it seems like for the most part kids like playing for Steele. It would surprise me if anyone getting major minutes leaves.

[xuwillie]

Miles will and should. I don’t see anyone else leaving. Jack won’t as he wants to be here and his brother will be on the team next year. Hunter could to a lower level and other than that maybe Zach. Don’t see Colby or Dwon going anywhere. It will be Dwons team to run.

Not so sure about Odom.. Should have been his team to run this year.

[markchal]

Not so sure about Odom.. Should have been his team to run this year.

If he was going to transfer because of that he would've left before this season...now he will definitely be the starting PG next year, and there are very few other major programs where he'll be guaranteed the minutes he will get here.

[boozehound]

If he was going to transfer because of that he would've left before this season...now he will definitely be the starting PG next year, and there are very few other major programs where he'll be guaranteed the minutes he will get here.

This seems the most likely scenario to me. I love Dwon, but he has holes in his game so it's not like he is going to transfer to Kentucky and be the starting PG. If he comes back to Xavier he probably gets to play 35 min at the point with a long leash to develop his game. I'm optimistic that Junior and Senior years for Dwon are going to be very good. He has the ability.

[UCGRAD4X]

Dwon has to develop some kind of outside shot. Not necessarily from three, but a bit more than mid-range, whatever that is.

Either that are we need to have at two to three real 3 pt. threats on the floor at all times.

[drudy23]

Dwon has to develop some kind of outside shot. Not necessarily from three, but a bit more than mid-range, whatever that is.

Either that are we need to have at two to three real 3 pt. threats on the floor at all times.

He has a decent mid range jumper.

[UCGRAD4X]

He has a decent mid range jumper.

I'm just saying he needs to expand that a little bit. The more the better.

[JTG]

Dwon has to develop some kind of outside shot. Not necessarily from three, but a bit more than mid-range, whatever that is.

Either that are we need to have at two to three real 3 pt. threats on the floor at all times.

It the Big East, we should ALWAYS have 2, knock down 3 pt shooters. Always, every game, always.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Well 4 went to the portal, 3 left.

All to lesser programs.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I am not concerned about guys leaving as much as the fact none of our class is signed. Did I miss something or are they thinking Steele may not be here next season?

[Final4]

I am not concerned about guys leaving as much as the fact none of our class is signed. Did I miss something or are they thinking Steele may not be here next season?

Are you referring to Ward and Craft? They signed their LOI's in November.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Strange all are listed as commits. That is good at least if the Ad has the guts to move in it gives his choice a chance to speak to them.

[Drew]

I really hate the new transfer world. KyKy and Dieonte both had their jobs basically stolen by transfers. How many years running has our best player been a transfer now?

[GoMuskies]

You hate that Jack Nunge, Nate Johnson and Adam Kunkel are on our team? Were you hoping for a losing season?

[D-West & PO-Z]

You hate that Jack Nunge, Nate Johnson and Adam Kunkel are on our team? Were you hoping for a losing season?

Yeah, that one is a head scratcher. I certainly do not hate that Nunge, Johnson, and Kunkel are playing instead of Kyky and Miles.

If a guy X recruited out of high school is good enough, he won't have his job "stolen". That would be great if all the guys we recruited out of high school panned out and were big time players, but transfers are always going to have a role now.

[Masterofreality]

We really haven’t addressed the “Catch All” philosophy that this staff seems to have when it comes to bringing people (recruits & transfers) in.
Transfers:
VERY GOOD
Hankins
Nunge
Kunkle
OK
Welage
Johnson (injury would be better)
Griffin (should have been used more see Carter)
MEH
Castlin
Moore
INCOMPLETE
Stanley
DISASTEROUS
Hunter- bordering disastrous
Carter- disastrous from overuse

THAT’s 6 above the line and 5 below.
Am I missing anybody?

[Drew]

You hate that Jack Nunge, Nate Johnson and Adam Kunkel are on our team? Were you hoping for a losing season?

I just think priority should be given to recruits. Watching a player transform over 4 years is part of what makes college sports great. Transfers have robbed us of that.

[GoMuskies]

Pretty sure they've robbed us of the "joy" of a 20 loss season this year.

[Drew]

Pretty sure they've robbed us of the "joy" of a 20 loss season this year.

We'll never know will we? And you like how the team has operated these past 2 years with transfers leading the charge?

[GoMuskies]

I don't think Nunge, Jackson, Kunkel and Stanley are the problem. Hunter....probably a little. I certainly don't love how the team has operated over the last couple of years, but Freemantle, Scruggs and Jones have been the problem with the best of them. Some of our best teams ever featured transfers, too.

I just think it's a weird issue to be concerned about given what we've seen from the program recently. The least of our worries in my opinion.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Steele's downfall is his desire to ram shitty power forward transfers down our throats. Hunter is like Carter 2.0.
Actually he has his guys that seem to do know wrong in his eyes. They continue to makes the same mistakes because there are no consequences for them. Scruggs, Free, Jones aren't looking over their shoulders worried about making mistakes because it doesn't matter. Steele's not going to make them sit when their play warrants it.

[Drew]

I don't think Nunge, Jackson, Kunkel and Stanley are the problem. Hunter....probably a little. I certainly don't love how the team has operated over the last couple of years, but Freemantle, Scruggs and Jones have been the problem with the best of them. Some of our best teams ever featured transfers, too.

I just think it's a weird issue to be concerned about given what we've seen from the program recently. The least of our worries in my opinion.

It won't be a popular opinion but I really think KyKy was going to be a star and had his shot stolen by Kunkel and Johnson last year. The Dieonte thing is more of just pity, he is now a junior and hasn't really been given a shot.

[xuphan]

Steele's downfall is his desire to ram shitty power forward transfers down our throats. Hunter is like Carter 2.0.
Actually he has his guys that seem to do know wrong in his eyes. They continue to makes the same mistakes because there are no consequences for them. Scruggs, Free, Jones aren't looking over their shoulders worried about making mistakes because it doesn't matter. Steele's not going to make them sit when their play warrants it.

During part of the game yesterday, they showed the Xavier coaches talking at the beginning of one of the timeouts. Are the assistant coaches we have more yes men types or do they ever question some of the calls Steele makes with play calling, in game adjustments, and roster rotation? Most coaches want assistants that push them to be better thus helping the team but I feel like our assistants just go along with whatever Steele comes up with.

[xukeith]

I Nunge, Jackson, Kunkel and Stanley are the problem. opinion.

Dante, or Keith?

[xukeith]

During part of the game yesterday, they showed the Xavier coaches talking at the beginning of one of the timeouts. Are the assistant coaches we have more yes men types or do they ever question some of the calls Steele makes with play calling, in game adjustments, and roster rotation? Most coaches want assistants that push them to be better thus helping the team but I feel like our assistants just go along with whatever Steele comes up with.
Assistants at X are definitely not yes men. They argue, fight, and submit better plays often.

[GoMuskies]

Dante, or Keith?

Samuel L

[Drew]

Steele's downfall is his desire to ram shitty power forward transfers down our throats. Hunter is like Carter 2.0.
Actually he has his guys that seem to do know wrong in his eyes. They continue to makes the same mistakes because there are no consequences for them. Scruggs, Free, Jones aren't looking over their shoulders worried about making mistakes because it doesn't matter. Steele's not going to make them sit when their play warrants it.

Can't disagree with this.

[hydmuskie]

For every Hunter we have a Nunge.... so we have to take the good with the bad....

[xuwillie]

For every Hunter we have a Nunge.... so we have to take the good with the bad....

Sure but no reason why he should be actually playing. That's my issue, not that we took a flyer on Hunter

[hydmuskie]

Sure but no reason why he should be actually playing. That's my issue, not that we took a flyer on Hunter

I deleted the game - but if you are referring to the end of the game - I don't think Steele had a choice.... Nunge and Odom had already fouled out... if you look at the roster - I think he was the cream of the crap.

For the entire game Hunter had 15 mins, Stanley 2 mins and Edwards 4 mins. With Nate hurt - we were just not deep enough for a 3 OT game.

Now - Why did Hunter elect to take it upon himself to shoot a 3? I have no effing clue what makes him think that was the best play... sheesh..

[whopper]

i have been intrigued by Stanley with his 40 pt game at Hampton and 2 12 pt performances last year(Seton Hall, Creighton both losses) and thought he may supplant/complement Carter. He got hurt on a NOTHING play against St Johns(incidental) and it hurt us more than many think given Carter(who i liked) play down the stretch. I notice me played 2 or 3 min with no entries in the box score and sadly i deleted the game. Did he look good and mobile(i.e move well, be in position, etc). The little i have seen he is in triple threat looking to score. Any thoughts?

[UCGRAD4X]

I deleted the game - but if you are referring to the end of the game - I don't think Steele had a choice.... Nunge and Odom had already fouled out... if you look at the roster - I think he was the cream of the crap.

For the entire game Hunter had 15 mins, Stanley 2 mins and Edwards 4 mins. With Nate hurt - we were just not deep enough for a 3 OT game.

Now - Why did Hunter elect to take it upon himself to shoot a 3? I have no effing clue what makes him think that was the best play... sheesh..

Edwards, Stanley, Miles, Kyky - you may not agree that they are/were better options but they were options...just not in our clueless leader's mind. I can't see how the results of that decision constitute and no-brainer that Hunter was the only option.

Hell, roll Elijah Tucker out there.

[xuphan]

Edwards, Stanley, Miles, Kyky - you may not agree that they are/were better options but they were options...just not in our clueless leader's mind. I can't see how the results of that decision constitute and no-brainer that Hunter was the only option.

Hell, roll Elijah Tucker out there.

Steele has been here for almost 4 years and his most consistent 3 point shooter is a 7 foot big. Amazing how he has not recruited more 3 point shooters based on his offense.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Edwards, Stanley, Miles, Kyky - you may not agree that they are/were better options but they were options...just not in our clueless leader's mind. I can't see how the results of that decision constitute and no-brainer that Hunter was the only option.

Hell, roll Elijah Tucker out there.

I'm no Steele fan but you can't accuse him of being clueless and then suggest sending KyKy out there who is out for the year with an injury.

I was mad about Hunter being out there at first too but the other options weren't great either, a freshman who just really started seeing any minutes or 2 guys who have barely played all year. Maybe they would be better bc they wouldn't feel inclined to shoot but I could see negatives to all of them as well.

[UCGRAD4X]

I'm no Steele fan but you can't accuse him of being clueless and then suggest sending KyKy out there who is out for the year with an injury.

I was mad about Hunter being out there at first too but the other options weren't great either, a freshman who just really started seeing any minutes or 2 guys who have barely played all year. Maybe they would be better bc they wouldn't feel inclined to shoot but I could see negatives to all of them as well.

The comment was that Steele had "no choice".

[xumadman]

Holy crap. Let’s stop pitching to our players that they’re better off transferring!

Yes, we need to turn this mess around, but I don’t want next year’s starters getting ideas we want them to move on. I don’t want us to be left next year with the same Steele and a bunch of walk-ons.

We simply want this team to play better together for 40 minutes - and that starts with the coach preparing his team better and not F’n things up during the game by inserting a lineup that my 4th grader could tell you wasn’t going to match up well at all against the 5 the other team has on the court will at the time.

This.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The comment was that Steele had "no choice".

Yeah, and you suggested he put in a player instead who has been injured the entire year.

[UCGRAD4X]

no - I countered the comment that there were NO options to the notion that at least one of these was an option.

[bjf123]

After seeing the looks on the faces of some of the players when they were getting booed, and then the students chanting “Fire Steele”, I won’t be surprised to see a lot of players, even starters, enter the transfer portal to get out of this dumpster fire.


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[Xville]

After seeing the looks on the faces of some of the players when they were getting booed, and then the students chanting “Fire Steele”, I won’t be surprised to see a lot of players, even starters, enter the transfer portal to get out of this dumpster fire.


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I don’t want certain players to leave, but at this point, things are so toxic that it’s probably best if x cleans house and starts over. This isn’t football, x can have a completely rebuilt team next year and make the tourney.

[GoMuskies]

I don’t want certain players to leave, but at this point, things are so toxic that it’s probably best if x cleans house and starts over. This isn’t football, x can have a completely rebuilt team next year and make the tourney.

See State, Iowa

[Xavier]

Yesterday I saw two key players frustrated. The first was Kunkel, who was sitting on the bench and looked disinterested/angry he was still sitting as Steele stuck with a line up that was killing us. The second was Freemantle, who after shooting and making a 3- turned and yelled/said something to a fan whom I’m guessing was telling him not to shoot.

It’s been a rough few weeks- seeing disgruntled players isn’t surprising. I’m not saying outside noise isn’t warranted but it is certainly adding to the frustrations. Steele has to do something to change the mindset, bring some joy back to the game for these guys. Almost everyone looks beaten down

[xavierj]

Seton Hall made it clearly obvious that they have men and Xavier has boys. They were physically bigger and stronger And more athletic than every Xavier player. They have several dudes that were not highly rated but they are long and chiselled. Anytime they needed a basket they would just back the Xavier player down and make an easy shot. Xavier needs to quickly get more athletic, longer and stronger. I like Edwards length and frame so hopefully he sticks and outs on 25lbs. Hopefully Colby and Nunge do as well. I am really fine if others transfer out if it will allow them to bring in the type of guys that will allow you to win in the Bog East.

[D-West & PO-Z]

no - I countered the comment that there were NO options to the notion that at least one of these was an option.

Seems incredibly odd to include someone who literally can not play as one of the options.

Should have included David West.......

[Xer4ever]

Yesterday I saw two key players frustrated. The first was Kunkel, who was sitting on the bench and looked disinterested/angry he was still sitting as Steele stuck with a line up that was killing us. The second was Freemantle, who after shooting and making a 3- turned and yelled/said something to a fan whom I’m guessing was telling him not to shoot.

It’s been a rough few weeks- seeing disgruntled players isn’t surprising. I’m not saying outside noise isn’t warranted but it is certainly adding to the frustrations. Steele has to do something to change the mindset, bring some joy back to the game for these guys. Almost everyone looks beaten down

I saw the same two things so we must sit on the same side. I also commented to the guy next to me that I didn’t understand why Kunkel was sitting on the bench. Without rewatching the game, I assume he was struggling defensively against SH length and superior athleticism.

[whopper]

I saw the same two things so we must sit on the same side. I also commented to the guy next to me that I didn’t understand why Kunkel was sitting on the bench. Without rewatching the game, I assume he was struggling defensively against SH length and superior athleticism.
We all have to take a breath. This is killing me (I am a UConn grad who has a few Providence and Villanova grad friends so feel out of the conversation) and my daughter(X class 19 season ticket holder) was texting me some despairing texts during the game. If the players are picking up the vibe the can go one of 2 ways..motivate them to do better or get so tight they get tentative on that spells doom in hoop especially the Big East. Collectively everyone must hold their negative thoughts for 2 weeks..the players, the fans, the posters (hard as it is..I now watch games at a dive bar as my wife thinks I am over the top) and hope that we do enough to get into the PIG. It is not that long to wait

[ArizonaXUGrad]

We aren’t beating St Johns on the road, Georgetown is it. Key after that is winning one or two in NewYork. Short of that and we are on the outside.

[bjf123]

We all have to take a breath. This is killing me (I am a UConn grad who has a few Providence and Villanova grad friends so feel out of the conversation) and my daughter(X class 19 season ticket holder) was texting me some despairing texts during the game. If the players are picking up the vibe the can go one of 2 ways..motivate them to do better or get so tight they get tentative on that spells doom in hoop especially the Big East. Collectively everyone must hold their negative thoughts for 2 weeks..the players, the fans, the posters (hard as it is..I now watch games at a dive bar as my wife thinks I am over the top) and hope that we do enough to get into the PIG. It is not that long to wait

I said a week or so ago that I thought the players knew they weren’t living up to expectations and were pressing too much, leading to tentative play, passing up the open shot for fear of missing, etc. I’m pretty sure that’s happening now.


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[IM4X]

Yeah I don’t see anyone leaving. The players seem to love Steele. As for development I would like to see Zach gain some freaking weight. How can he be in his third year of college and still weight 215 lbs. no wonder he gets tossed all over the place on the Big East. If not then Xavier needs to add someone 6’9” 245

I hoped Miles would be a little further along at this point, but it always seemed clear to me (and maybe many other fans like you) that we were short a true power forward. We were missing that one tough-ass big dude who loved to do all his work in the paint (think Tyrique Jalen, Farr, Love, Hill). Someone who took pride in gobbling up rebounds and using power moves (not just finesse moves) in the paint. When was the last time one of our bigs dunked over someone? We need one of those guys on the team badly. A 6’9”’ (or bigger) banger who has muscle.

[bleedXblue]

I hoped Miles would be a little further along at this point, but it always seemed clear to me (and maybe many other fans like you) that we were short a true power forward. We were missing that one tough-ass big dude who loved to do all his work in the paint (think Tyrique Jalen, Farr, Love, Hill). Someone who took pride in gobbling up rebounds and using power moves (not just finesse moves) in the paint. When was the last time one of our bigs dunked over someone? We need one of those guys on the team badly. A 6’9”’ (or bigger) banger who has muscle.

This point has been made several times already. Steele has strayed way too far away from what's worked very well at Xavier.

[UCGRAD4X]

When is the last time X has developed a big?

[D-West & PO-Z]

When is the last time X has developed a big?

Tyrique Jones. .Was only 2 years ago but feels like a lifetime ago.

[Masterofreality]

I just got through watching a game from this date from 30 years ago. Xavier at udump.
Xavier had Aaron Williams, Junior, Brian Grant sophomore plus Larry Sykes and Chief Dwayne Wilson. All of whom played significant minutes. That was some beef.
I know the game has changed, but the 3 point line was there then too. Xavier just beat the living crap out of VD’s scarecrow bigs that day and won by 16 at the dump.
What the hell has happened here??

[X-band '01]

You should have watched the Old Spice Championship instead. Hopefully that taught the folks up north not to piss off a sleeping rattlesnake.

[Xville]

I’d like to have wilcher’s frame and 40% 3pt shooting right now, just sayin.

[UCGRAD4X]

I’d like to have wilcher’s frame and 40% 3pt shooting right now, just sayin.

Do you still have eligibility?