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paulxu
02-01-2022, 01:12 PM
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THE MATCHUP

NO. 21/23 XAVIER UNIVERSITY MUSKETEERS (15-5, 5-4 BIG EAST)
BUTLER UNIVERSITY BULLDOGS (11-10, 4-6 BIG EAST)
WEDNESDAY, FEB. 2, 2022 AT 7 P.M. ET
CINTAS CENTER (10,224) IN CINCINNATI, OHIO

TV, RADIO & LIVE STATS

Television: CBS Sports Network with play-by-play from Tom McCarthy and analysis from Chris Walker. AJ Ross is the reporter.
Radio: 700 WLW-AM with play-by-play from Xavier Hall of Famer Joe Sunderman ('79) and analysis from XU all-time leading scorer and Hall of Famer Byron Larkin ('88). XU broadcast is also on Sirius (135), XM (201) and the SXM App. (964).
Live Stats: Media stats at Statbroadcast.com (http://Statbroadcast.com) and fan stats at GoXavier.com (http://GoXavier.com).

Nigel Tufnel
02-01-2022, 02:00 PM
I could have sworn I heard Mo Egger/Tony Pike say on the radio this afternoon that tomorrow’s game was postponed. Don’t see it anywhere else though…not sure if it would be Covid or weather, if I did hear them correctly

xukeith
02-01-2022, 02:14 PM
Nothing from Xavier Basketball on Twitter re cancelling anything

paulxu
02-01-2022, 02:17 PM
Hopefully you caught them referencing last year about this time when the Butler game was postponed.

Masterofreality
02-01-2022, 02:45 PM
Two Dub week!
Post it into existence!

GIMMFD
02-01-2022, 03:35 PM
I hope we beat the living shit out of them.

American X
02-01-2022, 03:57 PM
I hope we beat the living shit out of them.

We will play like blind paraplegics, then somehow miraculously still win.

GIMMFD
02-01-2022, 06:54 PM
We will play like blind paraplegics, then somehow miraculously still win.

Haha you've been very positive recently, come on that 2nd half last game doesn't give you hopium that we're gonna put together a good game??

American X
02-02-2022, 04:29 AM
Haha you've been very positive recently, come on that 2nd half last game doesn't give you hopium that we're gonna put together a good game??

No. I hope we pull their underwear over their head and stuff them in a locker, but there is just a good chance we make this nose-picker brigade look like the '86 Celtics.

UCGRAD4X
02-02-2022, 06:16 PM
buck futler

MauriceX
02-02-2022, 06:56 PM
If anyone needs streaming info, let me know. (shakes fist angrily at CBS Sports Network)

xukeith
02-02-2022, 07:03 PM
Who are these stooges for cbs sports? Their analysis is weird

xu 89
02-02-2022, 07:08 PM
If anyone needs streaming info, let me know. (shakes fist angrily at CBS Sports Network)

yes please...

MauriceX
02-02-2022, 07:10 PM
yes please...

Sent to your DMs

Xville
02-02-2022, 07:13 PM
Way to get that second foul 5 minutes into the game, Scruggs.

xu82
02-02-2022, 07:14 PM
How about WE have a 17 point lead at the half this time? My heart can’t take the last game again.

xuphan
02-02-2022, 07:16 PM
How about WE have a 17 point lead at the half this time? My heart can’t take the last game again.

No kidding. Hopefully Steele has a game-plan that works to start the game.

Lloyd Braun
02-02-2022, 07:20 PM
Friendly fire

xu82
02-02-2022, 07:20 PM
Hunter strikes again!

xu82
02-02-2022, 07:21 PM
Friendly fire

Giving him the finger, in a meaningful way.

xuphan
02-02-2022, 07:21 PM
Friendly fire

Anyone know what percentage Free is shooting from 3 this season?

MauriceX
02-02-2022, 07:23 PM
Anyone know what percentage Free is shooting from 3 this season?

Coming in to tonight I believe he is right at 15%

Xville
02-02-2022, 07:25 PM
Great pass dwon!

paulxu
02-02-2022, 07:27 PM
Still trying to find a stream that works to watch.
I see in the box score we are shooting the 3 like normal.

Xville
02-02-2022, 07:28 PM
Maybe Scruggs got his second to give guys some playing time….#teamwork

xu82
02-02-2022, 07:30 PM
Still trying to find a stream that works to watch.
I see in the box score we are shooting the 3 like normal.

Yes, bruising the rim as lot.

MauriceX
02-02-2022, 07:32 PM
Still trying to find a stream that works to watch.


Chigity-check those DMs

noteggs
02-02-2022, 07:33 PM
Holding them to 28%shooting

Xville
02-02-2022, 07:35 PM
Butler is awful. Xavier looks good when they aren’t shooting threes right now

MauriceX
02-02-2022, 07:36 PM
I don't know how I would go about finding if this is true, but we have to be on track for a season high on "and-1s". We never seem to finish through contact, but tonight we've had at least three.

xu82
02-02-2022, 07:37 PM
I wonder if Odom gets his feelings hurt when there is nobody within 10 feet of him behind the arc. If he could shoot he would be IMPOSSIBLE to stop.

KabeX
02-02-2022, 07:40 PM
I wonder if Odom gets his feelings hurt when there is nobody within 10 feet of him behind the arc. If he could shoot he would be IMPOSSIBLE to stop.
Apparently Free has no such problem

xu82
02-02-2022, 07:40 PM
I’m thinking 0/9 from 3 is probably not what we were hoping for. Lordy!

Xville
02-02-2022, 07:40 PM
I wonder if Odom gets his feelings hurt when there is nobody within 10 feet of him behind the arc. If he could shoot he would be IMPOSSIBLE to stop.

If he could shoot, he wouldn’t be at Xavier, he’d be at a blueblood

xudash
02-02-2022, 07:43 PM
Law of averages says that we will start hitting our threes again in the second half. Stay tuned for blowout city!

paulxu
02-02-2022, 07:44 PM
Johnson, Kunk and Free are each 0-3 from behind the arc.

Just imagine what we would do if they hit them like the second half of the last game.

Unbelievable.

paulxu
02-02-2022, 07:47 PM
Law of averages says that we will start hitting our threes again in the second half. Stay tuned for blowout city!

Going to check back with you. I like the thought process.

xudash
02-02-2022, 07:52 PM
Going to check back with you. I like the thought process.

One can hope, and think positively.

noteggs
02-02-2022, 07:52 PM
Nunge only played 12 minutes in first. Wonder why?

xukeith
02-02-2022, 07:54 PM
Love Odom and his limited offensive game. That quick drive and jitterbug move and quick jump shot works.


Thank you Hunter!
Watch Scruggs come off bench in 2nd half and go 4-5 from 3.

Where is Johnson?

xukeith
02-02-2022, 07:56 PM
Nunge missed a lot. He needed a post pass where he can lay it up tonight. UConn post players will punish him.

drudy23
02-02-2022, 07:56 PM
We can't shoot 3's. We should stop shooting.3's.

Use the post where we have a decided advantage in size.

I hate our offense - still

American X
02-02-2022, 07:57 PM
I am ready to grab my rifle and drive through the ice & snow to put Freemantle's three-point shot out of its misery.

drudy23
02-02-2022, 08:00 PM
Anyone know what percentage Free is shooting from 3 this season?

3-23

13%

Is that good?

Xville
02-02-2022, 08:01 PM
Nunge missed a lot. He needed a post pass where he can lay it up tonight. UConn post players will punish him.

He had one from Odom, and yeah that was about it. Offense still blows…they look great when making threes; terrible when missing them. Not a great recipe for the tourney, but whatever.

paulxu
02-02-2022, 08:01 PM
I am ready to grab my rifle and drive through the ice & snow to put Freemantle's three-point shot out of its misery.

He shot 35% first year.
Then 32%.
Now 15%...don't know how that changes. Same competition.

drudy23
02-02-2022, 08:02 PM
The halftime guys are all saying the law of averages will catch up and the shots will fall.

Sounds like our coach the last 4 years.

paulxu
02-02-2022, 08:16 PM
What a strange game. Kunkel is our leading rebounder.

American X
02-02-2022, 08:18 PM
What a strange game. Kunkel is our leading rebounder.

...and Jerome Hunter is the leading three-point shooter.

xu82
02-02-2022, 08:18 PM
Why is one ref wearing a mask?

xu82
02-02-2022, 08:19 PM
...and Jerome Hunter is the leading three-point shooter.

I wonder if the frisbee dogs dropped everything?

xudash
02-02-2022, 08:26 PM
Time to blow this open.

noteggs
02-02-2022, 08:26 PM
At least weren’t following in love with the 3 this half.

xu82
02-02-2022, 08:27 PM
At least weren’t following in love with the 3 this half.

….because the 3 does not love us back. Nothing worse than an unrequited love.

American X
02-02-2022, 08:31 PM
Looking much better and scoring at will in the post, so Freemantle should probably launch more threes.

noteggs
02-02-2022, 08:31 PM
Think Free is back! Well at least with smaller teams. But he’s back!

Xuperman
02-02-2022, 08:33 PM
The only time you take your hands off the throat...is to get a better grip!
B Lark.

American X
02-02-2022, 08:35 PM
Jerome Hunter just dropped into this game from the the 1970s ABA.

drudy23
02-02-2022, 08:35 PM
Attack the rim Freemantle is a much better Freemantle.

xu82
02-02-2022, 08:39 PM
YAY!!! We are 2/15 from 3 now! Just enough to encourage Free to keep it up!

whopper
02-02-2022, 08:40 PM
Taylor Harris and Thomspon driving at will ..even if we win I am not happy and seems zero help. The replays show help opportunities. This has to be addressed but I feel other guards drive successfully a lot more than ours do. Zach's lucky 3 probably disguises this effort. We rarely if ever either block a shot as the driver is directed to the center or even foul without giving up a 3 pt play. Worst of both worlds. The zone is necessary. This is a huge weakness and Jaid Taylor just drove at WILL for a 3 pt play. This has been a layup drill even though we will probably win. This is a tie game without the technicals

xudash
02-02-2022, 08:46 PM
Driving at will. Shouldn’t we leave somebody in the middle?

American X
02-02-2022, 08:48 PM
Looking much better and scoring at will in the post, so Freemantle should probably launch more threes.

A broken dove can still fly.

xudash
02-02-2022, 08:55 PM
A basket here after their TO would be nice.

Zone paid off.

xu82
02-02-2022, 09:04 PM
Time to MAKE FREE THROWS!!!

xukeith
02-02-2022, 09:05 PM
We thought Colby had a high basketball IQ?

xudash
02-02-2022, 09:05 PM
Sometimes we look like we just are all about trying to finesse a result.

In the meantime, Butler looks like it is fighting its ass off.

whopper
02-02-2022, 09:10 PM
thank God. Steele should treat this as a loss when looking at film. This would not get it done at all against Butler at butler and certainly not against any of the teams we compare ourselves to

xu82
02-02-2022, 09:11 PM
A win is a WIN!

xukeith
02-02-2022, 09:12 PM
X should easily be in top 10

paulxu
02-02-2022, 09:14 PM
One can hope, and think positively.

Yikes!

xudash
02-02-2022, 09:14 PM
A win is a WIN!

That is all you can say. But it is true and we will take it!

X Factor
02-02-2022, 09:16 PM
Second half at Creighton looks like it was fools gold.

How do you play so poorly at home?

When will Travis recruit some consistent shooters?

whopper
02-02-2022, 09:19 PM
without the questionable technical fouls this game is a loss believe it or not. All of Nate's points were on the technicals. Can you imagine our board if we lost by 2 with 4 points against on technical fouls?

Lloyd Braun
02-02-2022, 09:20 PM
Never really in doubt. Cruise control win, final score closer than it should have been but that’s how we roll. Onto DePaul

HenryMuto
02-02-2022, 09:23 PM
I didn't get to see any of the game tonight but I was scoreboard watching I think it was 60-46 X at 1 point then I seen X wins by 2. Butler must have hit a 3 at the buzzer as it was 68-63 with 2 seconds left on the scoreboard.

Thought X would win by more but I will take the win.

Jumpin_Jamal_Forever
02-02-2022, 09:25 PM
Moronic decision making. Unfocused play. But, it is a win and I'll take it. J. F. Christ!

XUBison
02-02-2022, 09:25 PM
Hey, we beat Butler! Now is it time to dunk on our own fan base? Maybe start calling out some of the most loyal, ardent, and engaged of the bunch? Is that how this works?

Muskie in dayton
02-02-2022, 09:39 PM
This is cool. I missed most of the game in-flight but reading over this thread is better than watching it on DVR!

I think I'm glad I missed it.

XUGRAD80
02-02-2022, 10:00 PM
It was fugly for sure and to me it was pretty obvious that some players lacked focus, but it was a fairly comfortable win nonetheless. Turn the page.

xuphan
02-02-2022, 10:33 PM
Moronic decision making. Unfocused play. But, it is a win and I'll take it. J. F. Christ!

Exactly! Who cares if we played poor as long as we win. This team is heading towards an NCAA tournament pick and Steele is heading towards a contract extension.

SkyWalker
02-02-2022, 11:01 PM
X should easily be in top 10

of the Big East!

OTRMUSKIE
02-02-2022, 11:37 PM
I don't care if we play poor and win in the tournament but right now playing poor tells me this team is one and done. Can't make Layups around basket , can't hit from deep and our Free-throws are not good. We will make the dance and we might even get a high seed. But unless this team can make the Sweet 16 I think I have seen enough of this coaching staff. Either they don't listen to Steele or he just has no clue on how to coach. We will be the 5 seed and the 12 seed will spank us. That Creighton win did nothing but save Steeles job.

GoMuskies
02-02-2022, 11:41 PM
Well, that was a pretty discouraging performance.

xu82
02-02-2022, 11:41 PM
I don't care if we play poor and win in the tournament but right now playing poor tells me this team is one and done. Can't make Layups around basket , can't hit from deep and our Free-throws are not good. We will make the dance and we might even get a high seed. But unless this team can make the Sweet 16 I think I have seen enough of this coaching staff. Either they don't listen to Steele or he just has no clue on how to coach. We will be the 5 seed and the 12 seed will spank us. That Creighton win did nothing but save Steeles job.

I will give you points for consistency!

We were 3 points away from yet another new thread.

Masterofreality
02-03-2022, 12:33 AM
Lots of thoughts.
One comment.
Dub.
Moving on……

American X
02-03-2022, 08:54 AM
So now we rely on the three-point shooting acumen of Zach Freemantle and Jerome Hunter for the margin of victory. That's a brilliant plan. That's a Swiss f'in watch.

sgarcia
02-03-2022, 09:40 AM
I think some of the issue on the offensive end is not using the corners at all. We're usually going wing to wing which compacts our spacing and makes it harder to drive the lane. I'm wondering if we can ever run the PnR play that gets Free & Nunge wide open 3's at the top of the key for other guys (Nate, Kunkel)? If the defender follows a better shooter out there then whoever has the ball can just continue to drive to the basket. On the defensive end, I saw Colby and a few other guys get blown by in 1 on 1 situations. I don't know if they're expecting help or just can't stay with their man. I'm glad we got the W but we made it hard on ourselves. You want to see improvement during the season but it looks like we are staying on the same plane over the past several weeks. Glad to see Free have a great offensive game. Just keep finding ways to win games. Tons of big opportunities still left for this team to rise up.

SM#24
02-03-2022, 09:41 AM
It was fugly for sure and to me it was pretty obvious that some players lacked focus, but it was a fairly comfortable win nonetheless. Turn the page.

Turn the page ? More like tear it out and use it as toilet paper.

Xville
02-03-2022, 09:44 AM
I can’t remember the last time I have seen a Xavier team with guards that for the most part are horrible at sticking with their man on the dribble.. they get blown by so many times…Odom, kunkel, Scruggs, Colby. I don’t remember if it happened to Nate but it could have. And, it’s butler not exactly the most athletic team in the world.

SM#24
02-03-2022, 09:48 AM
Exactly! Who cares if we played poor as long as we win. This team is heading towards an NCAA tournament pick and Steele is heading towards a contract extension.
I do. I believe you can only do that for so long, as in not very long; not in this league, not in the NCAAs. I'm not one for aesthetics, I don't care what style we play, but I do care if it's a quality performance.
One thing I've noticed the past four seasons is that when we get up by more than 10, we let up in multiple ways. To me, that falls squarely on the coaching.

SM#24
02-03-2022, 09:51 AM
I can’t remember the last time I have seen a Xavier team with guards that for the most part are horrible at sticking with their man on the dribble.. they get blown by so many times…Odom, kunkel, Scruggs, Colby. I don’t remember if it happened to Nate but it could have. And, it’s butler not exactly the most athletic team in the world.

Not sure where to lay blame, I think at this level, it's hard not get blown by. What appears to be lacking is help defense and I'm not sure if it's by design or they're just late. When our guards get past their defender, it seems we're always running into a wall.

XUGRAD80
02-03-2022, 10:01 AM
Nunge and Free are not exactly great shot blockers. They are neither fleet of foot, or overly athletic. Nunge can make up for some of that lack of quickness and athleticism by his length. Free doesn’t have that to fall back on. I think that the other teams in the league have seen that and the opposition is not concerned with getting their shots blocked when they drive to the rim.

Smails
02-03-2022, 10:11 AM
Not sure where to lay blame, I think at this level, it's hard not get blown by. What appears to be lacking is help defense and I'm not sure if it's by design or they're just late. When our guards get past their defender, it seems we're always running into a wall.

This 100%. We need better rim protection and help defense. In today's game, with the way hand checks are called it's almost impossible not to get beat in a 1:1 situation. Butler's guards can't shoot for shit but they can really attack the rim. We need better rim protection or more zone against teams like that.

Jumpin_Jamal_Forever
02-03-2022, 10:19 AM
I do. I believe you can only do that for so long, as in not very long; not in this league, not in the NCAAs. I'm not one for aesthetics, I don't care what style we play, but I do care if it's a quality performance.
One thing I've noticed the past four seasons is that when we get up by more than 10, we let up in multiple ways. To me, that falls squarely on the coaching.

You have a point. It seems to happen more often than it should although the normal ebb and flow of a game may account for lead changes as well. I'll take the win but agree with you.

Our end of game issues conflict with really good teams like Nova. Having watched them in tight situations, they seem more disciplined and focused. Don't often see them miss free throws down the stretch, incur dumb fouls or push the action when the situation calls for the opposite. Coaching issues perhaps. Or, and I hate to use the term because it is such an effing cliche, but it may also reflect low b-ball I.Q. on this team. You need to have a big talent advantage if you are not going to play smart.

Xville
02-03-2022, 10:24 AM
That’s fair SM. A shot blocker or thick big is something that should be looked at in the tp for next year.

xuwillie
02-03-2022, 10:51 AM
Exactly! Who cares if we played poor as long as we win. This team is heading towards an NCAA tournament pick and Steele is heading towards a contract extension.

Lets hope not at least just yet. This team hasn't really showed me anything in Big East play that says they are legitimately a top 20 team minus one half at creighton.

XUBob
02-03-2022, 11:20 AM
Just some random thoughts on last night. Even though X didn’t play well the game was never out of control.
1. I’m hoping that Nate isn’t letting his slump affect his overall play, he looked disengaged at times and defense was lacking Travis couldn’t and didn’t keep him on the floor.
2. Nunge looked out of sorts all night I don’t think we will see that again.
3. While most coaches tend to do it the offense for defense subs at the end of the game didn’t work out.
4. Great to see Fremantle play better, that’s three good halves in a row.
Tough league, take the win move on. Realistically we shoot a decent percentage from the free throw line, double digit win.

nuts4xu
02-03-2022, 11:47 AM
That’s fair SM. A shot blocker or thick big is something that should be looked at in the tp for next year.

Jack Nunge had 5 blocks last night, he is averaging 1.67 blocks per game. He is ranked #64 in the country this season. If the season ended today, that would be good for about the 7th best average in school history. We have a shot blocker that is good at blocking shots. Sure it would be nice to have another shot blocker, but I don't agree that should be a focus for next season.

Xville
02-03-2022, 12:32 PM
Jack Nunge had 5 blocks last night, he is averaging 1.67 blocks per game. He is ranked #64 in the country this season. If the season ended today, that would be good for about the 7th best average in school history. We have a shot blocker that is good at blocking shots. Sure it would be nice to have another shot blocker, but I don't agree that should be a focus for next season.

Fair but is nunge coming back? I’d like either a banger or another shot blocker…can’t have enough of those or ball handlers. I’ll take one of each :)

xukeith
02-03-2022, 01:08 PM
That’s fair SM. A shot blocker or thick big is something that should be looked at in the tp for next year.

Like Byran Griffin?

xudash
02-03-2022, 01:11 PM
I do. I believe you can only do that for so long, as in not very long; not in this league, not in the NCAAs. I'm not one for aesthetics, I don't care what style we play, but I do care if it's a quality performance.
One thing I've noticed the past four seasons is that when we get up by more than 10, we let up in multiple ways. To me, that falls squarely on the coaching.

“It takes two to tango“. This issue also has to fall on the players as well. Focus and energy has to be as much their responsibility as the coach motivating them in that area.

UCGRAD4X
02-03-2022, 01:13 PM
Just some random thoughts on last night. Even though X didn’t play well the game was never out of control.
1. I’m hoping that Nate isn’t letting his slump affect his overall play, he looked disengaged at times and defense was lacking Travis couldn’t and didn’t keep him on the floor.
2. Nunge looked out of sorts all night I don’t think we will see that again.
3. While most coaches tend to do it the offense for defense subs at the end of the game didn’t work out.
4. Great to see Fremantle play better, that’s three good halves in a row.
Tough league, take the win move on. Realistically we shoot a decent percentage from the free throw line, double digit win.

Nunge's play last night was odd indeed. There were times when he went to the bench last night that he almost needed to be propped up. I don't know if it was fatigue, if he is unwell, or frustration that needed some "support". Or, maybe, it was nothing at all and just my imagination and too may Hudy Delights at the Wood.

Xville
02-03-2022, 01:27 PM
Like Byran Griffin?

hanky mcspanky would be more like it

JTG
02-03-2022, 01:40 PM
Nunge's play last night was odd indeed. There were times when he went to the bench last night that he almost needed to be propped up. I don't know if it was fatigue, if he is unwell, or frustration that needed some "support". Or, maybe, it was nothing at all and just my imagination and too may Hudy Delights at the Wood.

Could this be nearing the time of year his father died ? People are often seriously depressed near a death anniversary. Regardless, Jack has been a tremendous find. Think where we'd be without him.

Xville
02-03-2022, 01:44 PM
Could this be nearing the time of year his father died ? People are often seriously depressed near a death anniversary. Regardless, Jack has been a tremendous find. Think where we'd be without him.

No that was in November. He may just be sick or fatigued. Hopefully nothing too serious.

XUGRAD80
02-03-2022, 01:45 PM
At one point during the radio broadcast, Bryon speculated that Nunge’s knees may have been bothering him. I’m not trying to start a rumor that they are. I’m merely saying that Lark also noticed that something seemed off about Nunge last evening. I’ll only add that it is impossible for any player to be 100% focused and motivated for EVERY game. It just doesn’t happen. As a coach, what your looking for is players that bring it every time, but with the knowledge that there are going to be off nights. You just hope that there aren’t very many and that you don’t have several players having off nights on the same night!

Masterofreality
02-03-2022, 02:38 PM
At one point during the radio broadcast, Bryon speculated that Nunge’s knees may have been bothering him. I’m not trying to start a rumor that they are. I’m merely saying that Lark also noticed that something seemed off about Nunge last evening. I’ll only add that it is impossible for any player to be 100% focused and motivated for EVERY game. It just doesn’t happen. As a coach, what your looking for is players that bring it every time, but with the knowledge that there are going to be off nights. You just hope that there aren’t very many and that you don’t have several players having off nights on the same night!

Nunge was hit in the face and got treatment on the bench according to the TV broadcast last night.
Colby did too.

Masterofreality
02-03-2022, 02:40 PM
Jack Nunge had 5 blocks last night, he is averaging 1.67 blocks per game. He is ranked #64 in the country this season. If the season ended today, that would be good for about the 7th best average in school history. We have a shot blocker that is good at blocking shots. Sure it would be nice to have another shot blocker, but I don't agree that should be a focus for next season.

100%

Masterofreality
02-03-2022, 02:41 PM
So now we rely on the three-point shooting acumen of Zach Freemantle and Jerome Hunter for the margin of victory. That's a brilliant plan. That's a Swiss f'in watch.

4D Chess

Masterofreality
02-03-2022, 02:53 PM
Coaching issues perhaps. Or, and I hate to use the term because it is such an effing cliche, but it may also reflect low b-ball I.Q. on this team. You need to have a big talent advantage if you are not going to play smart.

Oh Gawd. We’re not back to “team Low Basketball IQ” again are we? I thought that ridiculous argument died with Q and Naji leaving. U know. A PG that led an Elite 8 team and a guy who is in the NBA?

Two of the stupidest end of game fouls were on Colby Jones. Has anyone ever accused him of “low basketball IQ”.
A ludicrous crutch. Just like stupid penalties in football, that is coaching responsibility to clean that up and hold players to account. PERIOD

MHettel
02-03-2022, 03:56 PM
Not sure if this is accurate, or if anyone saw it...

I think there was a play where there was a jump ball and we had the possession arrow, but there was also a technical on Butler and we took the foul shots and then got the ball out of bounds, AND we lost the possession arrow.

Shouldn't the T have resulted in the foul shots and the ball and we would have KEPT the possession arrow. Seems like we got cheated on that play.

I could be wrong, but if anyone saw it the way I saw it, is that the rule?

bjf123
02-03-2022, 03:58 PM
I think the issue was the T came after the jump ball had been called resulting in the arrow going the other way. Maybe it should have stayed with us, but I think that was the reason.


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D-West & PO-Z
02-03-2022, 05:14 PM
Not sure if this is accurate, or if anyone saw it...

I think there was a play where there was a jump ball and we had the possession arrow, but there was also a technical on Butler and we took the foul shots and then got the ball out of bounds, AND we lost the possession arrow.

Shouldn't the T have resulted in the foul shots and the ball and we would have KEPT the possession arrow. Seems like we got cheated on that play.

I could be wrong, but if anyone saw it the way I saw it, is that the rule?

Why would we keep the possession arrow? A technical doesn't automatically give the ball to the other team, right? So lets say we score a basket and the other team's coach thinks we traveled and is going nuts on the refs.....the refs call a T as the other team is inbounding the ball, the play would stop, we would get FT's and then the other team would inbound the ball. At least I believe that is correct.

So I think it was a jump ball, arrow to us, then tech we shoot FT's then inbound the ball and the arrow changes over. We got the ball bc we had the arrow, not because of the T.

D-West & PO-Z
02-03-2022, 05:15 PM
A flagrant or intentional foul usually results in FT's and the ball, but not a technical foul. Maybe that is where the confusion lies?

MHettel
02-03-2022, 05:32 PM
A flagrant or intentional foul usually results in FT's and the ball, but not a technical foul. Maybe that is where the confusion lies?

Yeah, I dont know the rule. I thought a T was shots and the ball. Maybe not...

paulxu
02-03-2022, 06:03 PM
You just had to make me relive the OSU game didn't you.

Thanks a bunch.

whopper
02-03-2022, 06:05 PM
with the 3 at the end of the game, the technicals won the game for us and that should be scary. Of course the situation would have been different and maybe we should not have fallen asleep. We need to keep players in front of us better and give some more help.. Miles could give us some more minutes if we get a few more fouls as a result

X-band '01
02-03-2022, 06:38 PM
Yeah, Xavier won the possession arrow on the play in question. It was just a simple "point of interruption" where Aaron Thompson committed a technical foul by shoving the ball in Nate Johnson's hands (even a very subtle shove) and the possession arrow switches over to Butler after the Musketeers inbounded the ball.

D-West & PO-Z
02-03-2022, 07:40 PM
with the 3 at the end of the game, the technicals won the game for us and that should be scary. Of course the situation would have been different and maybe we should not have fallen asleep. We need to keep players in front of us better and give some more help.. Miles could give us some more minutes if we get a few more fouls as a result

C'mon, we let them score a meaningless 3 with 2 seconds left completely uncontested. The technicals didn't win us the game.

Totally agree we didn't finish them like we should have and that is frustrating, but the game was never in doubt.

xu82
02-03-2022, 07:47 PM
C'mon, we let them score a meaningless 3 with 2 seconds left completely uncontested. The technicals didn't win us the game.

Totally agree we didn't finish them like we should have and that is frustrating, but the game was never in doubt.

I’m with you on this. I was disappointed by how we finished, but there was never a time when I felt like the game would get away from us. I thought that last uncontested three made the game look closer than it really was. We have things to clean up for sure, but we had that game.


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nuts4xu
02-04-2022, 08:31 AM
Fair but is nunge coming back? I’d like either a banger or another shot blocker…can’t have enough of those or ball handlers. I’ll take one of each :)

He is eligible to return next season, and he may even have another season of eligibility after that.

So you want another shot blocker, a banger, and some ball handlers? Sounds like a shopping list for every coach, in every program, every off season, for all of college basketball. ;-)