Big Tease Roller Coaster

[Masterofreality]

Get ready for the "Big Tease/Roller Coaster
Steele loses to Creighton Saturday: 4-5
Wins the next 2 at home vs DePaul/Butler: 6-5
Everyone is pacified for the moment.
Loses at Seton Hall: 6-6
Gets rolled by UConn at Cintas:
6-7. Everyone melts down.
Beats St John's at home: 7-7
Pacification temporarily
Gets rolled at Providence & UConn: 7-9. Total meltdown commences
Eakes one out vs Seton Hall at home: 8-9. People say novenas.
Loses at St. Johns: 8-10. Fans check out.
Beats GTown at home on Senior Day: 9-10. 19-11 total record.
It's Bubbleicious!
Plays Wednesday night at MSG where I will exist.
Win in Dance. Lose out.
Hooray !!!!

[drudy23]

Welcome to Groundhogs Day

[Lloyd Braun]

Quick what are the odds on this parlay?

I’m pretty sure if you take $20 on initial bet and let the winnings ride on the next bet you would have made over $600,000 if odds are close to even.

[xavierj]

I actually think Saturday is a must win. And Seton Hall is bad right now and Aiken has been hurt but I am sure he will be back when they play Xavier. All games will be a struggle if this team can’t find ways to make shots. Pretty much a mid 60’s scoring team now. That won’t get it done. It’s shouldn’t be hard to get to 11 league wins but they won’t do that.

[bleedXblue]

I actually think Saturday is a must win. And Seton Hall is bad right now and Aiken has been hurt but I am sure he will be back when they play Xavier. All games will be a struggle if this team can’t find ways to make shots. Pretty much a mid 60’s scoring team now. That won’t get it done. It’s shouldn’t be hard to get to 11 league wins but they won’t do that.

If SH is bad right now, what are we? Asking or a friend

[BigMoeMusketeer]

I actually think Saturday is a must win.

Then the season is over because that isn't happening.

[JTG]

Then the season is over because that isn't happening.

agree.
Where is the fire with these guys ? Or are they just that inept as shooters ? I know it's not his nature but it's time Steele just went full on Bob Knight and exploded on these guys. Obviously being their pal isn't working. If this play keeps up I can see Nunge saying, " enough of this shitshow, I'm hitting the portal".

[markchal]

Yeah, there is just no urgency. You're playing a top-20 team and coming off a tough loss, yet we were behind 12-3 at the first TV timeout and fell behind by like 16 in the first half.

Just no excuse to come out so flat game after game after game after game after

[Xville]

Would this team be better if Paul and Nate didn't come back? I'm just wondering because Dwon would have been game 1 starter at point guard and been able to grow into his role that by now may have been bearing some fruit..maybe Colby is more aggressive in looking for his shot. Could be way off base, but something i have been thinking about the last few games.

[drudy23]

Would this team be better if Paul and Nate didn't come back? I'm just wondering because Dwon would have been game 1 starter at point guard and been able to grow into his role that by now may have been bearing some fruit..maybe Colby is more aggressive in looking for his shot. Could be way off base, but something i have been thinking about the last few games.

And maybe our freshman get a chance to get some much needed experience in the non conference. You can't continue to pull top 100 recruits and park them on the bench all year. They're going to bolt.

Patterns of development issues?

[Xavier]

We had a line up of Nunge, Free, Jones, Odom, and I think Kunkel at one point last night. Looked like a glimmer into next year. As those two play like they have, we may be better off if Scruggs wasn’t back. But I think the ceiling is higher if those two are on the team and playing to their ability

[markchal]

Would this team be better if Paul and Nate didn't come back? I'm just wondering because Dwon would have been game 1 starter at point guard and been able to grow into his role that by now may have been bearing some fruit..maybe Colby is more aggressive in looking for his shot. Could be way off base, but something i have been thinking about the last few games.

Not a chance. Even though he's had some up and down games, Scruggs has single-handedly brought us back from some big deficits. When this team has a huge scoring drought, he's been the most consistent at getting points. Nate has been a total non-factor for the last few games, which is inexcusable for an 8th year senior, but he's still far and away our best shooter. Both players have powered us to wins with strong individual performances.

When this team has been at its best (it's been awhile), it's largely because of those two. If we have success in the second part of conference season and beyond, it will be because of them. And Steele desperately needs that tournament birth.

If we continue to free fall, though, then I could maybe buy that argument that it would've been better to use this as a development/rebuilding year with the younger guys. I just don't think Steele would've been here next year to coach them.

[hoopster68]

While the offense is concerning, it is the (lack of) defense that is seriously deficient. How many bunnies/dunks has the team given up? Why are players consistently out of position? Why does it seem opposing players can drive the lane with no Xavier jersey to stop them? Each of these instances of poor defense leads to falling behind in the early part of the first half with little consequences for the team on the court. Why is that?

[drudy23]

I may be in the minority, but I don't think it's our talent, but how our talent is organized and connected as a team. They just don't "hum" together.

[Masterofreality]

While the offense is concerning, it is the (lack of) defense that is seriously deficient. How many bunnies/dunks has the team given up? Why are players consistently out of position? Why does it seem opposing players can drive the lane with no Xavier jersey to stop them? Each of these instances of poor defense leads to falling behind in the early part of the first half with little consequences for the team on the court. Why is that?

Steele said he thought their defense was “Great” last night after the game. (Large Eye Roll)
Uh, the only time the defense was “great” was when he desperately went to a 2-3 zone late in the first half that brought them back. Then he never used it at all in the second half. Then their guards got downhill again.
This guy just sickens me sometimes.

[markchal]

How many bunnies/dunks has the team given up? Why are players consistently out of position? Why does it seem opposing players can drive the lane with no Xavier jersey to stop them? Each of these instances of poor defense leads to falling behind in the early part of the first half with little consequences for the team on the court. Why is that?

This drives me crazy. So many times a guy gets beat up top and then the other team drives uncontested the rest of the way. Rarely happens the other way for us.

Nunge has provided some nice help defense in these scenarios at times, and picked up a few blocks, but there's be no one else even attempting to protect the rim or help in those situations.

[xavierj]

If SH is bad right now, what are we? Asking or a friend

Not as bad off as seton hall. They have lost 4 of 5. At DePaul and twice to Marquette. Last two home games for them were not close.

[xavierj]

Steele said he thought their defense was “Great” last night after the game. (Large Eye Roll)
Uh, the only time the defense was “great” was when he desperately went to a 2-3 zone late in the first half that brought them back. Then he never used it at all in the second half. Then their guards got downhill again.
This guy just sickens me sometimes.

Not sure it was good or bad but usually when you hold your opposition to 65 for the game and 30 in the 2nd half that tends to be a good thing. Paul and Nate need to be a lot better on both ends.

[Masterofreality]

Not sure it was good or bad but usually when you hold your opposition to 65 for the game and 30 in the 2nd half that tends to be a good thing. Paul and Nate need to be a lot better on both ends.

Providence only averages 70ppg. They scored 65 with Watson, who averages 13.0 ppg scoring zero. Not a significant difference. Durham and Bynum combined had 38 vs their combined ppg average of 24. Many on straight line drives to the basket. So that tells me that Jack Nunge was doing his job on his guy and the rest of the team stunk. I can’t say that’s exactly “great defense”.
PVD play slow down most of the time anyway so no props here to give.
By the way. Watson missed 2 free throws in a huge spot. Freemantle didn’t box out and Providence got a huge rebound.
Another thing to put on Free’s bad list. Game coster.

[xavierj]

Providence only averages 70ppg. They scored 65 with Watson, who averages 13.0 ppg scoring zero. Not a significant difference. Durham and Bynum combined had 38 vs their combined ppg average of 24. Many on straight line drives to the basket. So that tells me that Jack Nunge was doing his job on his guy and the rest of the team stunk. I can’t say that’s exactly “great defense”.
PVD play slow down most of the time anyway so no props here to give.

Just know that Xavier did not lose due to defense last night. They lost because Paul missed a layup and they shot 22% from 3, 4-18.

[Masterofreality]

Just know that Xavier did not lose due to defense last night. They lost because Paul missed a layup and they shot 22% from 3, 4-18.

Xavier did not play “great defense” which is what Steele said and which was my point. Jack Nunge played great defense. Steele is BSing again about his “system”.

[Xville]

Get ready for the "Big Tease/Roller Coaster
Steele loses to Creighton Saturday: 4-5
Wins the next 2 at home vs DePaul/Butler: 6-5
Everyone is pacified for the moment.
Loses at Seton Hall: 6-6
Gets rolled by UConn at Cintas:
6-7. Everyone melts down.
Beats St John's at home: 7-7
Pacification temporarily
Gets rolled at Providence & UConn: 7-9. Total meltdown commences
Eakes one out vs Seton Hall at home: 8-9. People say novenas.
Loses at St. Johns: 8-10. Fans check out.
Beats GTown at home on Senior Day: 9-10. 19-11 total record.
It's Bubbleicious!
Plays Wednesday night at MSG where I will exist.
Win in Dance. Lose out.
Hooray !!!!

In this scenario, I don't think X is even on the bubble..they will have maybe two quad 1 wins (one of them being Ok State who sucks), and a few more Q2 losses. Hello NIT.

[Xville]

Just know that Xavier did not lose due to defense last night. They lost because Paul missed a layup and they shot 22% from 3, 4-18.

They didn't do anything well last night

[KFX]

I’ve never been a fan of Coach Steele. Others have stated his deficiencies so I won’t restate them here. My biggest concern is that he does just enough to keep the job. We could be stuck with this BS for a few more years. A masterfully executed 35 year plan to end up in a yearly struggle to be in the first division of the Big East.

[Masterofreality]

I’ve never been a fan of Coach Steele. Others have stated his deficiencies so I won’t restate them here. My biggest concern is that he does just enough to keep the job. We could be stuck with this BS for a few more years. A masterfully executed 35 year plan to end up in a yearly struggle to be in the first division of the Big East.

We’re a bit further than the “Last 2% to the Final 4”.

[xudash]

I was going to start a new thread, but I'll put this here:

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2022/1/27/22904737/why-does-this-team-feel-so-frustrating-xavier-big-east-basketball?fbclid=IwAR3c9vBFlRUgqjOMErFFkeuam6p3cF ukx90rFDDvJgPLFKToSZ1UvVveXNg

I didn't see the game last night. I deleted it from the DVR as soon as I got home from a function I had to attend - that was after I pulled into the driveway and checked this site to see if we had won the game before entering the house.

One key point I would like to make - not that everyone here doesn't understand it already: we aren't in the A10 any longer. We're in one of the top basketball conferences in the nation. That "flagship" thingy from years ago is gone. BTW, the only reason that Villanova is where it is now is that they have been and continue to be very fortunate in terms of staying with and enjoying the progress and success of Jay Wright. A class act on top of being a very good coach. Continuity has worked out for them, as it has worked out very well for Gonzaga. So, winning night in and night out in the Big East is not a realistic expectation. Fine, no problem. I think we all get that. But failing to execute as they did last night IN THE CINTAS CENTER is a problem. Is it the coach (i.e. line-ups, strategy), is it the players (i.e. Kunkel and Johnson going freaking 0-10, as just one example), or is it both. It has to be some of each, but it remains Travis Steele's job to figure it out.

The attached article cites where we presently stand. Fine. Still an impressive position to be in nationally in the overall scheme of things. But, as this thread, and as about everyone here is concerned about, based on the prior seasons under Steele, is this the beginning of a terrible slide? We'll see.

I'll leave it at the one thing that I am most focused on at this point: WHY DOESN'T THIS TEAM PLAY FOCUSED BASKETBALL FOR 40 MINUTES? Am I wrong? Are they focused, but simply incapable of executing for unfortunately large chunks of possessions?

The "optical" expectation for last night's game for me was to come home and find a 10+ point victory where we were never down, or down for very long, and where the game was controlled from the tip. I wasn't expecting to learn that we fought back from a 14-point hole only to lose at the end. In the Cintas Center. When we could have made it to 5-3 to move forward with still reasonable cautious expectations.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I was going to start a new thread, but I'll put this here:

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2022/1/27/22904737/why-does-this-team-feel-so-frustrating-xavier-big-east-basketball?fbclid=IwAR3c9vBFlRUgqjOMErFFkeuam6p3cF ukx90rFDDvJgPLFKToSZ1UvVveXNg

I didn't see the game last night. I deleted it from the DVR as soon as I got home from a function I had to attend - that was after I pulled into the driveway and checked this site to see if we had won the game before entering the house.

One key point I would like to make - not that everyone here doesn't understand it already: we aren't in the A10 any longer. We're in one of the top basketball conferences in the nation. That "flagship" thingy from years ago is gone. BTW, the only reason that Villanova is where it is now is that they have been and continue to be very fortunate in terms of staying with and enjoying the progress and success of Jay Wright. A class act on top of being a very good coach. Continuity has worked out for them, as it has worked out very well for Gonzaga. So, winning night in and night out in the Big East is not a realistic expectation. Fine, no problem. I think we all get that. But failing to execute as they did last night IN THE CINTAS CENTER is a problem. Is it the coach (i.e. line-ups, strategy), is it the players (i.e. Kunkel and Johnson going freaking 0-10, as just one example), or is it both. It has to be some of each, but it remains Travis Steele's job to figure it out.

The attached article cites where we presently stand. Fine. Still an impressive position to be in nationally in the overall scheme of things. But, as this thread, and as about everyone here is concerned about, based on the prior seasons under Steele, is this the beginning of a terrible slide? We'll see.

I'll leave it at the one thing that I am most focused on at this point: WHY DOESN'T THIS TEAM PLAY FOCUSED BASKETBALL FOR 40 MINUTES? Am I wrong? Are they focused, but simply incapable of executing for unfortunately large chunks of possessions?

The "optical" expectation for last night's game for me was to come home and find a 10+ point victory where we were never down, or down for very long, and where the game was controlled from the tip. I wasn't expecting to learn that we fought back from a 14-point hole only to lose at the end. In the Cintas Center. When we could have made it to 5-3 to move forward with still reasonable cautious expectations.

A Banners article in mid-December titled "The future Xavier fans were hoping for is here" included the sentence "the only thing that can stop the Musketeers is the flu". Now a newer article (linked above) that states our collective frustration stems from a "too high opinion of what this team should be". Regarding the Chris Mack firing, Dick Vitale, in today's Spun, offered that "sometimes divorce can be good for both parties. Louisville was trending toward mediocrity (under Mack) and mediocrity cannot be tolerated at an elite program. (So in regard to another thread on this forum, Vitale agrees Louisville is elite). I said not, but he is more of an expert than me. Anyway, although our overall record looks good, it reflects the likes of Norfolk State, Ball State, et al. Within the Big East, we are mediocre and have been so every year under Steele.

The program has taken a large and significant backward step under Steele. Simply put, he has not grown in the job and that was the central assumption made when he was hired. Yes, he is inexperienced today, but he will get better. I believed that. But he hasn't gotten better. I hope (perhaps forlornly) that X and Steele will divorce once this awful season concludes.

[markchal]

we were picked third in the conference and we're playing .500 basketball and we haven't even hit the hard part of our schedule...NOT GOOD!

[xukeith]

Imagine being a Seton Hall fan. You think X stock has dropped? Yikes. SH is in quicksand. SH can't even compete well. Short some pieces.

[Masterofreality]

Banners has become a soft ass honk.
Ever since they grew some balls, criticized Quentin Goodin and Goodin & his minions got pissed and called them out they’ve been defensive honks.
I pay little attention to what they have to say anymore. Losing 5-6 more games and finishing 6th or 7th in the league is NOT a successful season-especially when, for the fourth year in a row the trend is downward and the team is not playing it’s best basketball at year end.

[xudash]

we were picked third in the conference and we're playing .500 basketball and we haven't even hit the hard part of our schedule...NOT GOOD!

Actually, thank you. You just very clearly and succinctly established the benchmark on which the regular season should be judged. When it comes to this conference, I can handle top five. Anything south of that should be regarded as a failure.

[UCGRAD4X]

I may be living in the past and have unrealistic expectations for this team, but I truly believe Xavier can be a frontrunner every year in the Big East. Top of the league is always going to be the goal. Top 3, on an off year, would not be a huge disappointment because that would be part of a very deep and competitive conference.

What has been going on is embarrassing.

A Travis Travesty. Travistry?

[drudy23]

If we don't make the tournament, #travisty may be trending.

[Xville]

I think its about that time to start a who will be coaching at xavier next year poll/thread

[Xville]

Ok I was going to post a separate thread on this topic but decided we weren’t there yet. I am curious to those more in the know with the administration. My question is if hypothetically Steele and staff don’t go to the tourney again or barely limp in, is x prepared to move on? I would for sure hope so, but a powerful father in law on the board complicated things I would believe.

[GoMuskies]

I'm as frustrated with this team as anyone, but we ARE still 14-5 and in the top 25. It's a bit early to start talking about new coach. IMO, of course.

[Xville]

I'm as frustrated with this team as anyone, but we ARE still 14-5 and in the top 25. It's a bit early to start talking about new coach. IMO, of course.

While true that x is 14-5, they are 4-4 with the tougher part of the big East schedule coming up. Of course things can change, but I have seen this movie the last three years. I think it’s fair at this point to ask they hypothetical question. I want to prepare myself for disappointment if Steele is going to get another year no matter what.

[GoMuskies]

I can see we're trending that way, but it seems like tapping the brakes on all that makes sense right now. There will be penty of time for that if the season falls apart. While it's not great right now, we're definitely not in fall apart territory yet.

[nuts4xu]

While it's not great right now, we're definitely not in fall apart territory yet.

Not yet, but man...it sure feels like we are headed that way. Us old heads have seen seasons turn around before, even in years when we never expected it. Right now, I have no reason to believe such a turnaround is on the horizon. Nothing this coaching staff has done in the last 3 years gives me even a shred of hope. I can't explain it but this feels different (and not in a good way) from "The Run" part I or II when we salvaged a season circling the drain.

[GoMuskies]

I just don't see us in "circling the drain" territory yet. The bar for the season was set at NCAA Tournament bid. I think people forget how many teams that really aren't very good make the NCAA Tournament as at-larges. We're still well on track for that and are likely to stay there unless we lose to someone we shouldn't. So far, we've only lost to NCAA Tournament teams. If that DePaul shot goes down, if we don't rally our asses off to beat VaTech, if we had let the Butler second half rally continue...we could be in that territory. But for all the shitty play we've had, we're still in pretty good shape to meet the expectations for this season.

Again, it's a pretty low bar for Xavier, and it looks like the hopes for a "special" season have been pretty much dashed (at least until we get to March; then anything is possible). But we're at least one bad loss away from new coach talk making any sense IMO.

[xudash]

I may be living in the past and have unrealistic expectations for this team, but I truly believe Xavier can be a frontrunner every year in the Big East. Top of the league is always going to be the goal. Top 3, on an off year, would not be a huge disappointment because that would be part of a very deep and competitive conference.

What has been going on is embarrassing.

A Travis Travesty. Travistry?

I totally agree with your expectations.

I’m only focused on this season with the “top 5” comment.

“Travistry” is very creative, and I hope it remains in the box.

[Xuperman]

I just don't see us in "circling the drain" territory yet. The bar for the season was set at NCAA Tournament bid. I think people forget how many teams that really aren't very good make the NCAA Tournament as at-larges. We're still well on track for that and are likely to stay there unless we lose to someone we shouldn't. So far, we've only lost to NCAA Tournament teams. If that DePaul shot goes down, if we don't rally our asses off to beat VaTech, if we had let the Butler second half rally continue...we could be in that territory. But for all the shitty play we've had, we're still in pretty good shape to meet the expectations for this season.

Again, it's a pretty low bar for Xavier, and it looks like the hopes for a "special" season have been pretty much dashed (at least until we get to March; then anything is possible). But we're at least one bad loss away from new coach talk making any sense IMO.

There is no better way to be realize the current situation than this post.....100% spot on.

There is nothing ANY coach can do about Nate not doing what Nate does....NO in game adjustments, NO coaching him up in practice will correct where he's been for the last 5 games. He is maxed out on coaching at this level.

When will folks on this board start to focus more on SENIOR LEADERSHIP/ACCOUNTABILITY and have a more equal distribution of blame?

BTW- This narrative of Steele recruiting "shooters" is baseless. Tandy is the ONLY HS guy he has recruited with that rep. Both Johnson and Kunkel were snatched from the portal to fill that need, but ALL the other recruits were billed as "can hit the 3 if needed".

Plain and Simple. Nate is a seasoned veteran, and must consistently hit at/near his expected averages. He is uniquely slotted as our only true sniper. This is critical to the kind of success we all expected.

[D-West & PO-Z]

While the offense is concerning, it is the (lack of) defense that is seriously deficient. How many bunnies/dunks has the team given up? Why are players consistently out of position? Why does it seem opposing players can drive the lane with no Xavier jersey to stop them? Each of these instances of poor defense leads to falling behind in the early part of the first half with little consequences for the team on the court. Why is that?

I don't get why we automatically switch on every ball screen no matter what. It isn't like we try and fight through and then switch, the screen doesn't even need to be well set, the illusion of a screen causes us to switch. It has put out players in some tough spots but it is clearly a philosophical decision, one I don't agree with.

[Xville]

There is no better way to be realize the current situation than this post.....100% spot on.

There is nothing ANY coach can do about Nate not doing what Nate does....NO in game adjustments, NO coaching him up in practice will correct where he's been for the last 5 games. He is maxed out on coaching at this level.

When will folks on this board start to focus more on SENIOR LEADERSHIP/ACCOUNTABILITY and have a more equal distribution of blame?

BTW- This narrative of Steele recruiting "shooters" is baseless. Tandy is the ONLY HS guy he has recruited with that rep. Both Johnson and Kunkel were snatched from the portal to fill that need, but ALL the other recruits were billed as "can hit the 3 if needed".

Plain and Simple. Nate is a seasoned veteran, and must consistently hit at/near his expected averages. He is uniquely slotted as our only true sniper. This is critical to the kind of success we all expected.

So if he hasn’t recruited shooters, why do we have such a perimeter offense? A coach’s job is to put their players in the best situation to succeed. If you feel x doesn’t have shooters, then Steele is at best incompetent for the “offense” the team runs

[D-West & PO-Z]

I just don't see us in "circling the drain" territory yet. The bar for the season was set at NCAA Tournament bid. I think people forget how many teams that really aren't very good make the NCAA Tournament as at-larges. We're still well on track for that and are likely to stay there unless we lose to someone we shouldn't. So far, we've only lost to NCAA Tournament teams. If that DePaul shot goes down, if we don't rally our asses off to beat VaTech, if we had let the Butler second half rally continue...we could be in that territory. But for all the shitty play we've had, we're still in pretty good shape to meet the expectations for this season.

Again, it's a pretty low bar for Xavier, and it looks like the hopes for a "special" season have been pretty much dashed (at least until we get to March; then anything is possible). But we're at least one bad loss away from new coach talk making any sense IMO.

This is a well reasoned post.

I am as frustrated as anyone, especially with Steele. Do I have faith in him? Not really. However, we have to let the season play out and not fire him after every game. Let it play out see where it goes. I agree making the tourney is a low bar but that's where the bar is when you miss the last several.

[IM4X]

We had a line up of Nunge, Free, Jones, Odom, and I think Kunkel at one point last night. Looked like a glimmer into next year. As those two play like they have, we may be better off if Scruggs wasn’t back. But I think the ceiling is higher if those two are on the team and playing to their ability

^^^ This….I understand how having with fewer players might seem better since there would be less parts and X might find a lineup that gels. Is having more players who are worthy of starting a bad thing? No, the problem really isn’t that Nate and Scruggs came back. They have each already been key in wins this season. We probably don’t win agains OSU and maybe one other game without Scruggs. We probably also don’t win a few other games without Nate being on fire from 3. Yes, those two are not playing their best ball lately, but they will be valuable down the stretch - especially in the BE tournament and in the NCAA tournament should we get there. They are the only two on the team to have experienced that feeling. Paul knows what it is like to go on a deep run. He can speak with them on the locker room before a big game about the importance of continue of the tradition of being known as a team expected to get to the tournament and winning multiple games. He and Nate will very likely be playing their best basketball and even willing teams to victory in big games.

I’ve gotta believe much of the reason those two and others on the team are not playing their best ball has to do with Steele’s approach to coaching. We look lost half the time on offense. How many other BE teams simply look better prepared during games? Certainly Nova, Marquette and Providence. These other teams have better ball movement and their players seem to know where their teammates without the ball are moving. They also show they understand the importance of drawing fouls. Meanwhile, our players are praised for taking the open three. The team will improve when Steele’s approach improves.

[Xavier]

This is a well reasoned post.

I am as frustrated as anyone, especially with Steele. Do I have faith in him? Not really. However, we have to let the season play out and not fire him after every game. Let it play out see where it goes. I agree making the tourney is a low bar but that's where the bar is when you miss the last several.

I agree. I think on one hand it is hard to get too mad losing at Marquette and home against a top 20 team, all while being ranked in top 25. Every season has ups and downs. I am in the camp that the talent is there and it could still be a special season, I will still watch and hope it turns into just that.

On the other hand, it is disappointing how low expectations have become. Xavier should beat Marquette on the road. And losing home games is no longer a surprise (outside of Nova which has always been an expected home loss). X keeps losing games that in the past they would find a way to win. The team needs a Bernard type player to step up and change the mindset. Some mental toughness and urgency is missing.

[xudash]

I agree. I think on one hand it is hard to get too mad losing at Marquette and home against a top 20 team, all while being ranked in top 25. Every season has ups and downs. I am in the camp that the talent is there and it could still be a special season, I will still watch and hope it turns into just that.

On the other hand, it is disappointing how low expectations have become. Xavier should beat Marquette on the road. And losing home games is no longer a surprise (outside of Nova which has always been an expected home loss). X keeps losing games that in the past they would find a way to win. The team needs a Bernard type player to step up and change the mindset. Some mental toughness and urgency is missing.

EXACTLY.

Team only meeting in the locker room. Now or never mentality.

[MHettel]

[/B]

Paul knows what it is like to go on a deep run.

no, he doesnt. Paul knows what it's like to be on a 1 seed that beat a 16 seed....and then flame out in the second round.

[Masterofreality]

EXACTLY.

Team only meeting in the locker room. Now or never mentality.

Where’s Malcolm Bernard when we need him?

[xudash]

Where’s Malcolm Bernard when we need him?

Malcolm should call Paul.

[XUBison]

no, he doesnt. Paul knows what it's like to be on a 1 seed that beat a 16 seed....and then flame out in the second round.

Yes, and he spent most of the time doing what the rest of us were doing – watching.

[whopper]

paul hit 2 FTs with a minute to go to put us up 91-89 against FSU so he was not watching. He actually had a decent game that night. He is human and expectations are high for him. I wish he would not have to handle the ball so much but have no complaints

[JTG]

Every team seems to have shooters except us. Just an average 3 pt game and we beat Marquette and definitely beat Providence.

[xudash]

Every team seems to have shooters except us. Just an average 3 pt game and we beat Marquette and definitely beat Providence.

That is absolutely true.

What is that? Bad jojo. Crappy karma. Even going back to the Nova game at that end of the Pavilion.

And the circle goes 'round. Do you continue to try to shoot your way out of the slump and hope the wake-up call has been received? Do you adjust?

MOR is right about one thing: we are very much on a roller coaster right now. Buckle up.

[kxblue]

Would this team be better if Paul and Nate didn't come back? I'm just wondering because Dwon would have been game 1 starter at point guard and been able to grow into his role that by now may have been bearing some fruit..maybe Colby is more aggressive in looking for his shot. Could be way off base, but something i have been thinking about the last few games.

We said the same with thing with Naji, hes now getting minutes in the NBA.

Nate's always been streaky, def has no confidence right now. but he won a few games by himself earlier this year.

If we say the same thing every year, and the players keep changing but one thing remains constant...

[kxblue]

There is no better way to be realize the current situation than this post.....100% spot on.

There is nothing ANY coach can do about Nate not doing what Nate does....NO in game adjustments, NO coaching him up in practice will correct where he's been for the last 5 games. He is maxed out on coaching at this level.

When will folks on this board start to focus more on SENIOR LEADERSHIP/ACCOUNTABILITY and have a more equal distribution of blame?

BTW- This narrative of Steele recruiting "shooters" is baseless. Tandy is the ONLY HS guy he has recruited with that rep. Both Johnson and Kunkel were snatched from the portal to fill that need, but ALL the other recruits were billed as "can hit the 3 if needed".

Plain and Simple. Nate is a seasoned veteran, and must consistently hit at/near his expected averages. He is uniquely slotted as our only true sniper. This is critical to the kind of success we all expected.

I admire your loyalty to Steele but hes the guy getting paid to figure it out. When I watch X in the early season I always feel like the talent is there. Then by the Big East we just seem to have no clue. That screams coaches are adjusting to our strengths and we simply dont know how to adapt.

I see a lot of Steve Wojciechowski in Steele, and thats not really a good thing. IDK, i feel like X will give him another year no matter what but i would expect attendance to start to slip if this continues. I really think college basketball is weak this year and there is 2nd weekend talent on this roster. If we make the tournament we can go on a run as per above (other coaches wont have film on us and wont have time to really scout). But in the BE, Steele just seems way over his head.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Bottom line, there are no excuses for Steele.

Either the talent is there and he has difficulty coaching it up and doing things to get the team on the right track or the talent isn't there and Steele failed at assembling a roster worthy of competing in the BE and making the NCAA tournament.

Either way Steele is failing to this point. Can he turn it around? Sure. Has anything the last 3 years led me to believe he will definitely turn it around? No. Am I hopeful he does? Yes.

Lets avoid a Travisty (I like that word!).

[Joepalooka]

there's a lot of sense in your reasoning.

[Joepalooka]

when your acknowledged 2 best shooters fail to score either 'the talent isn't there' (I personally don't believe that) or your shooters are in a cold stretch. Consider the other major contributors...Nunge brought his 'transfer talent' (and at the same time has improved since the outset of the year), Freemantle started the year very slowly (after 4 mos in a leg cast, and has recently shown his game skills are returning), Colby continues to play very well (even while his scoring is off). Coach Steele has improved noticeably in his substitutions - along with his gameplanning being pretty damn solid (substitutions / bench coaching, might be the only things he might have been challenged on). This isn't about coaching IMO.

[Masterofreality]

I have to repeat what I have said for 3 years before this one.
1) The roster has not been utilized in games to it’s potential and ability.
2) We get to January 1 and there is scouting tape on Xavier that every Big East coach has. And these guys are good. They use that scout and take stuff away that X could do earlier on the year. Steele still does the same stuff and performance declines.

Summary. Steele has to make adjustments both on offense to get better looks from out and better isolations inside. The oppo knows our actions and what Steele claims to be “clean looks” aren’t really. Different guys need to be called on to set screens in different spots. This is called scheme. It can be done.
On D he has to recognize that some guys are bad defenders and has to adjust to cover them up. Example: the constant attack the basket by oppo guards is killing us. Need more and a variety of zones, not just a 2-3. Free needs to be hidden on D as best as possible, but that’s tough.
Finally, change the lineup quicker if guys aren’t doing it in a game. Too many non productive minutes are wasted hoping the guy “gets it”.
Xavier personnel is what it is. Steele has to figure out how to maximize it.

[xudash]

I have to repeat what I have said for 3 years before this one.
1) The roster has not been utilized in games to it’s potential and ability.
2) We get to January 1 and there is scouting tape on Xavier that every Big East coach has. And these guys are good. They use that scout and take stuff away that X could do earlier on the year. Steele still does the same stuff and performance declines.

Summary. Steele has to make adjustments both on offense to get better looks from out and better isolations inside. The oppo knows our actions and what Steele claims to be “clean looks” aren’t really. Different guys need to be called on to set screens in different spots. This is called scheme. It can be done.
On D he has to recognize that some guys are bad defenders and has to adjust to cover them up. Example: the constant attack the basket by oppo guards is killing us. Need more and a variety of zones, not just a 2-3. Free needs to be hidden on D as best as possible, but that’s tough.
Finally, change the lineup quicker if guys aren’t doing it in a game. Too many non productive minutes are wasted hoping the guy “gets it”.
Xavier personnel is what it is. Steele has to figure out how to maximize it.

I would sincerely love for this information to be shared with him and to witness his reaction to it.

Part of all of this is that it has come to us literally second-guessing whether this man with all of this experience understands all of his options, or not.

[Masterofreality]

I would sincerely love for this information to be shared with him and to witness his reaction to it.

Part of all of this is that it has come to us literally second-guessing whether this man with all of this experience understands all of his options, or not.

Dash, I sincerely wish that I had more confidence but three years of the same stuff different day has jaundiced me. The facts are clear of the regression, except for *possibly year one where they sort of played at least on an even basis to earlier- losing 6 in a row then winning 6 out of 7 plus a BE Tourney game.
This is not second guessing by me. I’ve consistently said these same things for years.

#DanceOrDepart

[xudash]

Dash, I sincerely wish that I had more confidence but three years of the same stuff different day has jaundiced me. The facts are clear of the regression, except for *possibly year one where they sort of played at least on an even basis to earlier- losing 6 in a row then winning 6 out of 7 plus a BE Tourney game.
This is not second guessing by me. I’ve consistently said these same things for years.

#DanceOrDepart

Understand.

Is he simply that stubborn? The sport at this level clearly requires creativity and flexibility - adjustments. He has to understand that it isn’t working, or his Excel spreadsheet has really screwed up analytics.

[JEHARDI]

[QUOTE=xudash;719715]I would sincerely love for this information to be shared with him and to witness his reaction to it.

You gotta be kidding?!. I think Steele has access to better input than a chronic whiner on a message board.

[xudash]

[QUOTE=xudash;719715]I would sincerely love for this information to be shared with him and to witness his reaction to it.

You gotta be kidding?!. I think Steele has access to better input than a chronic whiner on a message board.

Actually, at least in my opinion, I see some good ideas on this board from time to time, and they appear to be contradictory to what we see on the court.

So, yes I actually would love to know what really is going on with all of this.

At least we will know in a few weeks.

[X-band '01]

[QUOTE=xudash;719715]I would sincerely love for this information to be shared with him and to witness his reaction to it.

You gotta be kidding?!. I think Steele has access to better input than a chronic whiner on a message board.

Man, if Gary Griffin were still alive he'd have a field day.

[Lloyd Braun]

Potentially unpopular opinion: I believe to be a top coach in basketball you should have played the game in college. There are likely exceptions to that rule but I think there’s a certain level of skill coached that can really only be conveyed from a player to a player. As much as I hate to admit it, watching Jay Wright coach solidifies that for me.

[joe titan]

Potentially unpopular opinion: I believe to be a top coach in basketball you should have played the game in college. There are likely exceptions to that rule but I think there’s a certain level of skill coached that can really only be conveyed from a player to a player. As much as I hate to admit it, watching Jay Wright coach solidifies that for me.

Cronin; Izzo; Holtman;

[MHettel]

Potentially unpopular opinion: I believe to be a top coach in basketball you should have played the game in college. There are likely exceptions to that rule but I think there’s a certain level of skill coached that can really only be conveyed from a player to a player. As much as I hate to admit it, watching Jay Wright coach solidifies that for me.

Chris Mullen, Ewing, hardaway, stackhouse, manning

College STARS and horrible coaches

[Lloyd Braun]

Cronin; Izzo; Holtman;

2/3 of them played in college

[Lloyd Braun]

Chris Mullen, Ewing, hardaway, stackhouse, manning

College STARS and horrible coaches

How does this relate to my post?

[Xuperman]

So if he hasn’t recruited shooters, why do we have such a perimeter offense? A coach’s job is to put their players in the best situation to succeed. If you feel x doesn’t have shooters, then Steele is at best incompetent for the “offense” the team runs

This is a 100% legit question. Especially since the same question exists for multiple seasons. The answer has to be, several guys shoot at a very high percentage in game prep. I assume all coaches implement the positive aspects of game prep to the actual game, otherwise what's the point?

However, this is where the ol' definition of insanity comes into play. Our guys are no where consistent enough when it matters, yet the cluster bombing continues. You change defenses when you can't get stops.....you have to have multiple offensive looks when the 3 is not falling. It almost seems like Steele doesn't have that....but that can't be true? It has to be the subborness many here have alluded to. This has to change going forward, starting today.

If it doesn't and there's another late Feb/Mar swoon, the "Fire Steele" folks gain mass credibility. (Not OTR)

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Potentially unpopular opinion: I believe to be a top coach in basketball you should have played the game in college. There are likely exceptions to that rule but I think there’s a certain level of skill coached that can really only be conveyed from a player to a player. As much as I hate to admit it, watching Jay Wright coach solidifies that for me.

I get where you are coming from. I too have wondered if Steele's apparent lack of "feel" for the game, inability to make adjustments, etc. reflects playing inexperience. There's plenty of anecdotal experience to support your thesis. In fact, you can peel it back another layer. Hurley, Miller, Willard and a host of others played and were point guards. They are all successful and all have an excellent feel for the game.

The evidence, however, is just anecdotal as there are plenty of examples the other way. Rick Majerus had a background that closely matches Steele. He was a gym rat, became a manager, assisted a HOF coach, Al Macquire, and became great in his own right. His game planning and in-game adjustments were outstanding.

So, I conclude that while playing experience is helpful, it is neither sufficient nor even necessary to become a successful college basketball coach. I think I've seen some improvement over these last 3.5 years but sometimes, to me, he still looks lost.

Here's a question I have that is sort of a derivative of your own. If, at this stage and after years assisting successful coaches, Steele lacks a feel for the game, will he ever develop it?

[JTG]

It's actually pretty simple: if shots fall the coach looks like a genius, if not he looks like a dope. Unfortunately, we have a propensity to miss point blank layups
and wide open 3s. My complaint is when shots are not falling, defense, which is mostly effort, regardless of the scheme, can carry you for a while and even create offense. My sense, from watching him in game, is that he never gets mad and says to these guys " get your heads out of your asses and play hard or were gonna scrimmage for 8 hours tomorrow". I think he's one of these "touchy feely types, who only believe in positive reinforcement. When what these guys need, some, not all, is a swift kick in the ass. And when you've been a nice guy all along, being a hardass is tough to pull off. That is our dilemma.

[Lloyd Braun]

I get where you are coming from. I too have wondered if Steele's apparent lack of "feel" for the game, inability to make adjustments, etc. reflects playing inexperience. There's plenty of anecdotal experience to support your thesis. In fact, you can peel it back another layer. Hurley, Miller, Willard and a host of others played and were point guards. They are all successful and all have an excellent feel for the game.

The evidence, however, is just anecdotal as there are plenty of examples the other way. Rick Majerus had a background that closely matches Steele. He was a gym rat, became a manager, assisted a HOF coach, Al Macquire, and became great in his own right. His game planning and in-game adjustments were outstanding.

So, I conclude that while playing experience is helpful, it is neither sufficient nor even necessary to become a successful college basketball coach. I think I've seen some improvement over these last 3.5 years but sometimes, to me, he still looks lost.

Here's a question I have that is sort of a derivative of your own. If, at this stage and after years assisting successful coaches, Steele lacks a feel for the game, will he ever develop it?

I do think point guards generally have a higher tendency to be a great coach for obvious reasons. Majerus played as did Macguire. I think you can have a feel for the game and not have played, but player development should not solely rely on the assistant coaches.

Any more examples of highly successful coaches that never played?

[xukeith]

It's actually pretty simple: if shots fall the coach looks like a genius, if not he looks like a dope. Unfortunately, we have a propensity to miss point blank layups l
and wide open 3s. My complaint is when shots are not falling, defense, which is mostly effort, regardless of the scheme< can carry you for a while and even create offense. My sense, from watching him in game, is that he never gets mad and says to these guys " get your heads out of your asses and play hard or were gonna scrimmage for 8 hours tomorrow". I think he's one of these "touchy feely types, who only believe in positive reinforcement. When what these guys need, some, not all, is a swift kick in the ass. And when you've been a nice guy all along, being a hardass is tough to pull off. That is our dilemma.

Steele is not a touchy pal in the all the huddles. Lots of cursing and even pointing fingers into chests/faces. Yelling and getting upset does zero for some players. Some need it; others see it as fake.
If coaching were that easy, every coach would scream, yell, and curse out players to get wins.

Steele does all of the above. there is a time and a place.

The X brand is still strong. This March it i snow or never. X will probably be 10-9, 11-8, or 12-7 in league play. Seed probably will be 7-11th.

[SkyWalker]

Potentially unpopular opinion: I believe to be a top coach in basketball you should have played the game in college. There are likely exceptions to that rule but I think there’s a certain level of skill coached that can really only be conveyed from a player to a player. As much as I hate to admit it, watching Jay Wright coach solidifies that for me.

I generally agree with this. Heck, I don't even know if Steele played in high school or CYO. There are a few exceptions of successful college coaches that didn't play college ball. The one thing I have always thought is that you don't give a non-experienced head coach, non-player the head coaching job with a power 6 major basketball program.

[xavierj]

I generally agree with this. Heck, I don't even know if Steele played in high school or CYO. There are a few exceptions of successful college coaches that didn't play college ball. The one thing I have always thought is that you don't give a non-experienced head coach, non-player the head coaching job with a power 6 major basketball program.

Mark Few?

[xavierj]

Travis may not have played in college but he did in high school and knew he wanted to be a coach. Read his story. He spent his summers following his brother and studying the game and studying coaches. He spent time in high school with Herb Sendek and Sean Miller. Maybe he thinks too much and does Too much by the book and needs to loosen up a little. He will get his opportunities to figure it out. He knows basketball for sure. He is no dummy.

[MHettel]

How does this relate to my post?

Uh….cause they were awesome college players who can’t coach.

[Lloyd Braun]

Uh….cause they were awesome college players who can’t coach.

Well I definitely was not implying if you’re an awesome player you’ll be an awesome coach. It’s usually not the case as you referenced several good examples. I suggested most awesome coaches played the game.

[Lloyd Braun]

Mark Few?

This is an interesting example. Not sure he played in college but he was a great PG in high school and a great multi sport athlete.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I do think point guards generally have a higher tendency to be a great coach for obvious reasons. Majerus played as did Macguire. I think you can have a feel for the game and not have played, but player development should not solely rely on the assistant coaches.

Any more examples of highly successful coaches that never played?

I'm not disputing your point too much. There appears to be a positive correlation between very good college coaches and collegiate playing experience. But, given the other poster's identification of some very good college players who were terrible coaches, playing experience isn't enough. I don't believe Majerus played at Marquette. My recollection is that he served as manager and at some point, assisted Al Macquire. Gene Keady comes to mind although he was, I think, a college football player. Not sure I like putting him in the category of "highly successful" because his character is suspect, but Bruce Pearl did not play college hoops. There are probably others. How about Mark Few? I don't recall that he played college hoops. I think, if you think about it for awhile, you could probably identify more good coaches who did not play collegiately.

However, given the experience with Steele, if the time arrives and I'm Christopher, I think I'd want candidates that played in college. Although if I had a good candidate who had not played, I'd be O.K. with taking a look. But, I'd take a really close look and they would need to have plenty of prior Head Coaching experience.

So, my question still is if Steele's inexperience is an important reason why he doesn't seem to be a good in-game coach, can he acquire the knowledge and feel to improve?

[xavierj]

This is an interesting example. Not sure he played in college but he was a great PG in high school and a great multi sport athlete.

He did not. He went to a small college to play but had a bad shoulder so transferred to Oregon and was going try baseball but shoulder prevented that. Regardless playing the game means squat when it comes to coaching. Not being a successful player may even fuel the fire to be an even better more relentless coach. My guess is that a guy like Penny Hardaway does not eat, sleep and breathe basketball like Travis most likely does.

[xukeith]

If there was a correlation between winning and being a former player, then most schools would only hire former athletes. There are too many people who have played and been awful coaches .
There is probably no "perfect" candidate or coach as they all are flawed and rarely is there a coach who ONLY has winning seasons.
Brad Stevens, no losing season in college( 1 losing season at Boston) Mark Few- all winning seasons since 2000?
Jay Wright had 3 losing seasons (most recently in 2012).

[paulxu]

Cynical correlation:

Winning - get $50 million dollar contract despite past transgressions

Losing - get $4.3 million buy out and shown the door.

[noteggs]

I'm not disputing your point too much. There appears to be a positive correlation between very good college coaches and collegiate playing experience. But, given the other poster's identification of some very good college players who were terrible coaches, playing experience isn't enough. I don't believe Majerus played at Marquette. My recollection is that he served as manager and at some point, assisted Al Macquire. Gene Keady comes to mind although he was, I think, a college football player. Not sure I like putting him in the category of "highly successful" because his character is suspect, but Bruce Pearl did not play college hoops. There are probably others. How about Mark Few? I don't recall that he played college hoops. I think, if you think about it for awhile, you could probably identify more good coaches who did not play collegiately.

However, given the experience with Steele, if the time arrives and I'm Christopher, I think I'd want candidates that played in college. Although if I had a good candidate who had not played, I'd be O.K. with taking a look. But, I'd take a really close look and they would need to have plenty of prior Head Coaching experience.

So, my question still is if Steele's inexperience is an important reason why he doesn't seem to be a good in-game coach, can he acquire the knowledge and feel to improve?

Technically Majerus was a walk on Marquette’s freshman only team. He got cut when going out for McGuire’s varsity team. Then yes as you pointed out, he became a student assistant. Actually Al said he was worst player he has ever seen. Also, Rick never made his high school team. So yes it would be a big stretch to say he “played” college basketball.

[Xville]

If there was a correlation between winning and being a former player, then most schools would only hire former athletes. There are too many people who have played and been awful coaches .
There is probably no "perfect" candidate or coach as they all are flawed and rarely is there a coach who ONLY has winning seasons.
Brad Stevens, no losing season in college( 1 losing season at Boston) Mark Few- all winning seasons since 2000?
Jay Wright had 3 losing seasons (most recently in 2012).

I mean most probably were athletes. Couldn’t find how many played at any level in college, but found 54% of current coaches played d1. I’d assume it’s probably in the 70s that played at any level in college. More often than not, they have played the game. I mean it’s probably just me but I’d find it difficult as a d 1 athlete to respect someone who is trying to coach me that had not been in my shoes.

[xukeith]

Every single current BE coach has had at least one losing season except 2.
The two only winning coaches are Steele and SJU coach Mike Anderson.
Technically Anderson has had a couple 0.500 seasons but never a losing record. Last time I checked Steele hasn't had a losing record yet.

[Masterofreality]

If there was a correlation between winning and being a former player, then most schools would only hire former athletes. There are too many people who have played and been awful coaches .
There is probably no "perfect" candidate or coach as they all are flawed and rarely is there a coach who ONLY has winning seasons.
Brad Stevens, no losing season in college( 1 losing season at Boston) Mark Few- all winning seasons since 2000?
Jay Wright had 3 losing seasons (most recently in 2012).

Brad Stevens played PG at DePauw
Few never played college basketball, but an athlete in baseball/football
Jay Wright played basketball for Bucknell

[Xville]

Every single current BE coach has had at least one losing season except 2.
The two only winning coaches are Steele and SJU coach Mike Anderson.
Technically Anderson has had a couple 0.500 seasons but never a losing record. Last time I checked Steele hasn't had a losing record yet.

So? And every single be coach besides stubble field ( who is in his first year as a hc) and Steele has been to the tournament, what’s your point?

[xukeith]

So? And every single be coach besides stubble field ( who is in his first year as a hc) and Steele has been to the tournament, what’s your point?

Don't be so tightly wound up and sensitive. It is a discussion of BE basketball coaches and mutual interests and assumptions.
If I had 2 candidates for a coaching position and both had equal experience and equal NCAA tournament success. And one of the coaches had a losing record in one season and the other did not, it is a resume of a coach with plusses and minuses.

[Xville]

Mor is 100% right on his initial post. This team won’t win another meaningful game the rest of the way. Steele needs to go

[X-band '01]

Oh, they'll win another meaningful game. The problem is that the home game against UConn and road game at Seton Hall are still a ways off and bedwettings at home against Butler and DePaul are still possible.

[xukeith]

Why can't Kunkel or Johnson or Scruggs make any outside shot?
Is Freemantle still less than 100% ?
Will they gather all negative comments on paper and do the burn everything in trash can in locker room?

[Masterofreality]

I'm 0-1 on game predictions here.

L

Happily

[IM4X]

Would this team be better if Paul and Nate didn't come back? I'm just wondering because Dwon would have been game 1 starter at point guard and been able to grow into his role that by now may have been bearing some fruit..maybe Colby is more aggressive in looking for his shot. Could be way off base, but something i have been thinking about the last few games.

I think we have the answer to that question after today’s game.

I touched on it in a previous reply to your post. Let’s remember that those two are playing in their final season. They’ll have their struggles, but they will work through them. There is now a sense of urgency that is starting to creep into minds of players in their final season. I expect to see Nate and Paul to turn it on and play with a bit more confidence and determination for the rest of the season. I can promise you Paul and Nate are going to will their team to win more games during the regular season and X fans are going to feel very good about them being on the roster. Should X make the dance, there will be no substitute for having players on the court who have been to the dance before and know it’s there last chance to do something special in the NCAA tournament.

[MHettel]

To summarize:

Some of the best college coaches played college basketball.
Some of the best college coaches did not play college basketball
Some of the best college players make poor coaches
Some very average (at best) college players make good coaches
Some good college players make good coaches.

Did I miss any of the possible outcomes?

Honestly, it seems that playing and coaching may be different skill sets….

[Lloyd Braun]

I think most of the great coaches played the game. However, getting into coaching a game you didn’t play is an exceedingly rare thing. Family business (Mick)?
Why else would you get into it?

I actually think guys like Travis who are good at X’s and O’s are better fits for professional teams that don’t need as much player development.

[Masterofreality]

To summarize:

Some of the best college coaches played college basketball.
Some of the best college coaches did not play college basketball
Some of the best college players make poor coaches
Some very average (at best) college players make good coaches
Some good college players make good coaches.

Did I miss any of the possible outcomes?

Honestly, it seems that playing and coaching may be different skill sets….

How do prior NBA players and coaches do in college?
(Not being a smart ass Hett)

[XUBison]

paul hit 2 FTs with a minute to go to put us up 91-89 against FSU so he was not watching. He actually had a decent game that night. He is human and expectations are high for him. I wish he would not have to handle the ball so much but have no complaints

Well, I guess I have blocked that game out of my mind. I think it’s fair to say his freshman year was unremarkable, given his recruiting hype. I was only responding to the notion he‘s had experience as an integral contributor on a team that made a deep run, which he hasn’t. (I’m certain that’s why he came back this year.) But I agree with you, I have no complaints. Paul is what he is, and that’s a damn good college basketball player.

You make another good point— I wonder what Paul’s career would have looked like if he’d ever had a solid PG that let him play off the ball. Sometimes I think the pressure of running the offense has subdued his game. I really hope he gets to experience the 2nd weekend this year. He deserves it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Technically Majerus was a walk on Marquette’s freshman only team. He got cut when going out for McGuire’s varsity team. Then yes as you pointed out, he became a student assistant. Actually Al said he was worst player he has ever seen. Also, Rick never made his high school team. So yes it would be a big stretch to say he “played” college basketball.

As a side note, I believe Majerus is one of the most underrated coaches in college basketball history. He was phenomenal.

[UCGRAD4X]

Well, I guess I have blocked that game out of my mind. I think it’s fair to say his freshman year was unremarkable, given his recruiting hype. I was only responding to the notion he‘s had experience as an integral contributor on a team that made a deep run, which he hasn’t. (I’m certain that’s why he came back this year.) But I agree with you, I have no complaints. Paul is what he is, and that’s a damn good college basketball player.

You make another good point— I wonder what Paul’s career would have looked like if he’d ever had a solid PG that let him play off the ball. Sometimes I think the pressure of running the offense has subdued his game. I really hope he gets to experience the 2nd weekend this year. He deserves it.

I don't think there is any doubt, as bad as things have gone, that this team is much better off with Paul Scruggs having played. I shudder to think what the past few seasons would have looked like otherwise.

Yes, I too hope he closes his career out on a huge run...personally and for X, henceforth known as the Scruggs Run of 2022.

[noteggs]

As a side note, I believe Majerus is one of the most underrated coaches in college basketball history. He was phenomenal.

100 agree with both. Also, had one of the best personalities in the business IMO.

[Xavier]

100 agree with both. Also, had one of the best personalities in the business IMO.

I thought he was known to be a Dick to the managers?

[XU 87]

Get ready for the "Big Tease/Roller Coaster
Steele loses to Creighton Saturday: 4-5
Wins the next 2 at home vs DePaul/Butler: 6-5
Everyone is pacified for the moment.
Loses at Seton Hall: 6-6
Gets rolled by UConn at Cintas:
6-7. Everyone melts down.
Beats St John's at home: 7-7
Pacification temporarily
Gets rolled at Providence & UConn: 7-9. Total meltdown commences
Eakes one out vs Seton Hall at home: 8-9. People say novenas.
Loses at St. Johns: 8-10. Fans check out.
Beats GTown at home on Senior Day: 9-10. 19-11 total record.
It's Bubbleicious!
Plays Wednesday night at MSG where I will exist.
Win in Dance. Lose out.
Hooray !!!!

How are your predictions doing so far?

[noteggs]

I thought he was known to be a Dick to the managers?

Quite possible. Wouldn’t surprise me that a coach have a different persona.

[Masterofreality]

How are your predictions doing so far?

Check post #97.
You’re late to the party Counselor.
Hope you’re more on it when representing your clients.

[American X]

I can cautiously count 10 Big East wins. With this schizophrenic team, it is a hazardous proposition to count more.

[Xuperman]

I can cautiously count 10 Big East wins. With this schizophrenic team, it is a hazardous proposition to count more.

Yeah, that's where we need to be.......20 wins keeps us out of any bubble talk. This week is critical. Both games are must wins. 17-5, 7-4 will look awful good when the polls come out a week from today. Lose 1 and we fall out of the top 25 and our NET takes a hit as well.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I can cautiously count 10 Big East wins. With this schizophrenic team, it is a hazardous proposition to count more.

Is this including or excluding a Georgetown makeup game? One has us at 10-10 the other has us a 10-9.

[American X]

Without a Georgetown makeup game, but has there even been a word about that? Regardless, they are so bad that they would not do anything for the resume except chalking one in the win column.

[nuts4xu]

Without a Georgetown makeup game, but has there even been a word about that? Regardless, they are so bad that they would not do anything for the resume except chalking one in the win column.

No talk about the makeup. The cancelled games that have yet to be rescheduled should be forfeits. It is a travesty and embarrassing the Big East won't come out with announcements. They changed their rules mid season. Every program had the rules now you are allowing schools to game the system. There are only a few games waiting to be rescheduled and I believe they are all the result of Georgetown.

[drudy23]

Without a Georgetown makeup game, but has there even been a word about that? Regardless, they are so bad that they would not do anything for the resume except chalking one in the win column.

Exactly - there's no upside to playing the game, only downside.

[94GRAD]

Exactly - there's no upside to playing the game, only downside.

It will definitely affect Big East Tournament seeding.

[xukeith]

It will definitely affect Big East Tournament seeding.

Isn't Val commish in charge of rescheduling covid cancellations?

[xukeith]

Butler, DePaul, Georgetown, SJU, and struggling Seton Hall all "look" easier to beat than top 5 Big East teams. Hope we only go no worse than 7-3 here on out

[bleedXblue]

If they go by winning percentage to determine the standings, this definitely will hurt us. Assuming we beat GT at home

Otherwise, what else do you do? Exclude all GT games from the standings?

[GoMuskies]

Never in a millions years would I have ever dreamed that we would be in a conference in which the Georgetown was the patsy.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It will definitely affect Big East Tournament seeding.

Correct, most definitely upside in terms of BE tourney seeding. Maybe none in terms of NCAA seeding but I would still prefer to play it to improve seeding in what is likely to be a crowded 3-6 in the standings.

[bleedXblue]

Correct, most definitely upside in terms of BE tourney seeding. Maybe none in terms of NCAA seeding but I would sti prefer to play it to improve seeding in what is likely to be a crowded 3-6 in the standings.

exactly

[X-band '01]

Georgetown is trying to make up 4 games from their own Covid pause - the only way I think it's remotely possible would be to convince Georgetown to host Xavier on the final Friday of the regular season (two days after X visits St. John's and Georgetown visits Seton Hall) and follow that up with Georgetown coming to Xavier two days later on a Sunday.

Xavier does play UConn in one makeup game a week from Friday, but that can't be a makeup window since Georgetown is doing a home-and-home with Creighton on Saturday and Monday in that same timeframe.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Anyone know what number game we were cancelled for Georgetown. They league stated they would reschedule them in order of the cancellation. Were we 1, 4, in the middle? Guessing we have a much better chance to play it if we were at the front of the line.

[94GRAD]

Anyone know what number game we were cancelled for Georgetown. They league stated they would reschedule them in order of the cancellation. Were we 1, 4, in the middle? Guessing we have a much better chance to play it if we were at the front of the line.

X was 4th out of 4

https://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/teams/team-page.cfm/team/georgetown

[UCGRAD4X]

X was 4th out of 4

https://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/teams/team-page.cfm/team/georgetown

We can write that one off.

[D-West & PO-Z]

X was 4th out of 4

https://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/teams/team-page.cfm/team/georgetown

Not great, Bob!

[D-West & PO-Z]

X was 4th out of 4

https://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/teams/team-page.cfm/team/georgetown

So I noticed tonight that the other 3 games Georgetown had postponed have been rescheduled. Ours is the only one left. And given all the rules in place about when they can be scheduled, the only date that I see that would work for both X and Georgetown would be Monday 2/21. Hope it happens for our BE record and BE seeding. Have doubts that it will, but if that day works for both (obviously I don't know all the details if it would for each school) then I hope they would schedule it.

[American X]

I did well in math, but it is hard to count to 10.

[Masterofreality]

So, we are 6-5 as noted on the first post of this thread.
Unfortunately no one is pacified for the moment.
The next two games could definitely generate the meltdown of this board that means it incinerates and I just wasted $12.50 on a subscription renewal.
Hold on to your butts.
Here......We.......Go!!!!!!!

[xukeith]

How did Syracuse lose to Hoyas? Fire Beilien?

[xukeith]

So, we are 6-5 as noted on the first post of this thread.
Unfortunately no one is pacified for the moment.
The next two games could definitely generate the meltdown of this board that means it incinerates and I just wasted $12.50 on a subscription renewal.
Hold on to your butts.
Here......We.......Go!!!!!!!

Xavier (LA) is still looking for fans.
https://www.xula.edu/news/athletics.html

[markchal]

we are a tournament team if the season ended today

this next part of the schedule is absolutely brutal

Maybe take a page out of Uconn's book and have a well-timed Covid shutdown?

[American X]

Beating UConn makes it a little easier to count to 10.

[Masterofreality]

Beating UConn makes it a little easier to count to 10.

It sure does.
We’re one step up on the Roller Coaster. Pacification.
Let’s get Wednesday for a bit of a cushion.
The ass gonna get sore if we don’t.

[Masterofreality]

I just noticed that Creighton has had 2 games cancelled- one vs Providence & one vs Georgetown- and right now is only going to play an 18 game league schedule.
We just need to be equal in the loss column at the end to finish higher than them. Could affect whether we play Wednesday or Thursday at MSG.
Covid sucks

[Xuperman]

Beating UConn makes it a little easier to count to 10.

Yeah, but no cakewalk ahead. Most likely need to sweep the remaining 3 at Cintas or get one more on the road. Both of these scenarios have to be close to even money presently. Getting to 11 seems highly unlikely.

Forget about Marquette being in that scrum for the all important 4/5 seeds....their remaining schedule sets up nicely for them. Hard to see SJU winning 5 more, so X, UConn, SHU, CU will have their eyes set on that magic 10. Look at Creighton's schedule, they could easily get there. Both UConn and SHU probably lands on that spot as well. If it plays out that way, the tiebreakers will be crazy. X owns one vs CU....get the W in Storrs and things become more elementary.

[Xuperman]

I just noticed that Creighton has had 2 games cancelled- one vs Providence & one vs Georgetown- and right now is only going to play an 18 game league schedule.
We just need to be equal in the loss column at the end to finish higher than them. Could affect whether we play Wednesday or Thursday at MSG.
Covid sucks

Are you saying that a 10-8 Creighton wins the tie break over X at 10-9? Wouldn't the season sweep hold more weight than a unbalanced record?

[X-band '01]

Winning percentage would trump the head-to-head sweep in this instance, but Creighton is going to make up their postponed Georgetown game. Xavier won't get to make it up because it was the 4th game that Georgetown had to postpone. So both X and Creighton will have played 19 league games.

Conceivably they could have moved the Creighton at Providence game up to Friday (two days after Xavier-Providence) and added Providence at Creighton for the following Sunday, but I guess there would have been issues at both Dunkin Donuts Center and CHI Health Center in trying to make that happen.

[Xuperman]

I respect your opinion, but in what reality does a head to head sweep take a back seat to anyone other criteria? Can you help me find a place to find the BE tourney seeding guidelines?

[Masterofreality]

Are you saying that a 10-8 Creighton wins the tie break over X at 10-9? Wouldn't the season sweep hold more weight than a unbalanced record?

Check this. The Big East website neglected to post that GTown goes back to Creighton for a makeup on Monday.
Looks like their lost game vs Providence won’t be made up though, dammit.
Looks like a 19 game schedule for them too

[profson]

Tie breakers kick in only when there is a tie. 10-8 and 10-9 isn’t a tie.

[Masterofreality]

Welp, we are 7-7 but not pacified. Get ready for a total board meltdown in the next week. 7-9 is on the agenda. Unsure if we can avoid it.
Steele has been totally out coached by Mike Anderson and Tony Stubblefield. He has been scouted, found wanting and losing with superior talent to dregs. This team had zero idea what to do vs a zone and Colby Jones and Dwon Odom have been now known to not be able to shoot.
We will see zone all the rest of the year with packed paint. Steele’s lack of consistent offensive scheme and lack of improvement during the year are repeating from years past.
Sickening and frustrating.

[Hink]

MoR I so hope you are wrong but your prediction might be spot on. It was painful to see how much the fans lost interest tonight. 12 minutes left with the lead transitioned to what we saw for the final with minimal fans left, some booing, was just painful. Please be wrong sir!

[UCGRAD4X]

Left the game early for the first time in my life.

echo the sickening and frustrated

[X-band '01]

Welp, we are 7-7 but not pacified. Get ready for a total board meltdown in the next week. 7-9 is on the agenda. Unsure if we can avoid it.
Steele has been totally out coached by Mike Anderson and Tony Stubblefield. He has been scouted, found wanting and losing with superior talent to dregs. This team had zero idea what to do vs a zone and Colby Jones and Dwon Odom have been now known to not be able to shoot.
We will see zone all the rest of the year with packed paint. Steele’s lack of consistent offensive scheme and lack of improvement during the year are repeating from years past.
Sickening and frustrating.

Dwon Odom in particular comes to mind. Last night was a game where they really missed Nate Johnson. Even when he's cold, he at least gets a little respect behind the arc. Odom and others will be given free reign all year long to shoot - I can't recall the last time he even tried a shot from deep.


Left the game early for the first time in my life.

echo the sickening and frustrated

Did you not leave early for the La Salle game back in 2000?

[XUOWNSUC]

Left the game early for the first time in my life.

echo the sickening and frustrated

Same. My kids are telling me they don’t want to go. I no longer look forward to the games. This is the least enjoyable season for me by far.

And yes, I stayed for the whole LaSalle game.

[X-band '01]

Then again, I could easily see this team winning at UConn and losing to Georgetown just to fuck with us.

[Masterofreality]

Then again, I could easily see this team winning at UConn and losing to Georgetown just to fuck with us.

Apropos....

[GIMMFD]

Dwon Odom in particular comes to mind. Last night was a game where they really missed Nate Johnson. Even when he's cold, he at least gets a little respect behind the arc. Odom and others will be given free reign all year long to shoot - I can't recall the last time he even tried a shot from deep.


I'd be a fool to think he's not putting in extra reps and time in the aux gym in some down time right?? Like he's very talented, if he gets an outside shot he'd be so damn good, not to beat a dead horse but when Dez was here he'd text me at random hours of the night to rebound his shots and "attempt to close out" (yeah, because I'm the same as a 6'5 athletic dude jumping in your face dude), or just him working on free throws. Like Dwon has to be working on this right, he needs to at least take one or two a game to make them respect him a little more... don't Quentin Goodin it the whole time but every defender sags so far off of him it's insane.

[drudy23]

Dwon's long range jump shot is broke.

The only way for him to improve it is to completely start over. That's off-season stuff, and sometimes several off-seasons.

Don't recruit players into a perimeter based system who can't shoot, for starters. You can't really be consistently effective in D1 ball with parts of your game being no threat to the defense, especially in a conference with very good coaches.

In saying that, he'd be very effective if we actually had guys that could shoot. Hence, back to RECRUIT SOME DAMN SHOOTERS

[xu82]

I'd be a fool to think he's not putting in extra reps and time in the aux gym in some down time right?? Like he's very talented, if he gets an outside shot he'd be so damn good, not to beat a dead horse but when Dez was here he'd text me at random hours of the night to rebound his shots and "attempt to close out" (yeah, because I'm the same as a 6'5 athletic dude jumping in your face dude), or just him working on free throws. Like Dwon has to be working on this right, he needs to at least take one or two a game to make them respect him a little more... don't Quentin Goodin it the whole time but every defender sags so far off of him it's insane.


Apparently, you did an excellent job of NOT ruining his confidence!

[Masterofreality]

Wednesday's Quad 3 home loss to St. John's dropped Xavier three spots in the NET to #23.

KenPom was less pleased with the performance, dropping the Musketeers 14 spots to #38.

The slide slips quickly if not stopped

[hoopster68]

Wednesday's Quad 3 home loss to St. John's dropped Xavier three spots in the NET to #23.

KenPom was less pleased with the performance, dropping the Musketeers 14 spots to #38.

The slide slips quickly if not stopped

Makes me feel Saturday at noon is like the shootout at OK Corral. Will our boys be "locked & loaded" to stop the slide?

[IM4X]

Dwon's long range jump shot is broke.

The only way for him to improve it is to completely start over. That's off-season stuff, and sometimes several off-seasons.

Don't recruit players into a perimeter based system who can't shoot, for starters. You can't really be consistently effective in D1 ball with parts of your game being no threat to the defense, especially in a conference with very good coaches.

In saying that, he'd be very effective if we actually had guys that could shoot. Hence, back to RECRUIT SOME DAMN SHOOTERS

Dwon is currently the third best FT shooter on the team. That tells me he has it in him to be a decent shooter from the perimeter. He may never average 40% from 3 in a season, but he did have a nice looking jumper in St John’s game that at least helped keep the defense honest for a moment in the game and his overall shooting can get better. Not sure if Steele or anyone on the staff is able to help him in that area though.

[Masterofreality]

Makes me feel Saturday at noon is like the shootout at OK Corral. Will our boys be "locked & loaded" to stop the slide?

In past years Tough X men won these kinds of games.
Mentally tough guys like Dexter Campbell, Dwayne Wilson, Larry Sykes, Torraye Braggs, Kevin Frey, Jason Love, Kenny Frease, Jalen Reynolds, etc. The line is long. And I’m not even counting our NBA guys. All Xavier guys were coached and forged to be tough as nails.

You win early season games with talent over good teams. End of year you win with talent and toughness.
Does this team have it??

[drudy23]

Dwon is currently the third best FT shooter on the team. That tells me he has it in him to be a decent shooter from the perimeter. He may never average 40% from 3 in a season, but he did have a nice looking jumper in St John’s game that at least helped keep the defense honest for a moment in the game and his overall shooting can get better. Not sure if Steele or anyone on the staff is able to help him in that area though.

His mid range game is fine - but once he gets past 15-16 feet, it's a shot that should never be replicated.

[IM4X]

His mid range is fine - but once he gets past 15-16 feet, it's a shot that should never be replicated.

Agree that he is no Trevon, but even being a threat from 15’ can help stretch defenses a bit, leading to easier buckets inside. Also, if he hits enough 15 footers and someone starts coming out to contest his shot, he is fast enough to blow by them for an easier layup. In that way he does have an advantage over Tre.

Getting back to Dwon’s % from 3: He is shooting at 33%. That is better than Hunter (24%) Jones (27%), Freemantle (17%) and almost as good as Kunkel (34%) who was supposed to be one of our sharp shooters. My point is, there are many bigger issues for us to worry about than our back up PG shoots who doesn’t even shoot many 3s only hits 33% of them. How about we get Hunter and Free to back off of shooting threes.Even Kunkel launching so many ans only being at 34% is an issue.

They all are shooting 3s way more than Odom. I might even prefer Odom to shoot over Jones at this point. See how scary that thought is. The team around ODom needs to shoot better for sure.

[Masterofreality]

As I look at schedules, based upon what I can only see as probable, Xavier's gonna finish 8th in the league with a 8-11 record and 18-12 overall.
That means we'd play Butler on Wednesday in MSG, and probably win. Then we'd be down to having to play and beat Providence on Thursday in he semis to get to 20 wins and a bid.
Bubblicious personified!

[GoMuskies]

I still think we'll beat Seton Hall and Georgetown to get to stone cold lockitude before we ever get to MSG.

[Xville]

As I look at schedules, based upon what I can only see as probable, Xavier's gonna finish 8th in the league with a 8-11 record and 18-12 overall.
That means we'd play Butler on Wednesday in MSG, and probably win. Then we'd be down to having to play and beat Providence on Thursday in he semis to get to 20 wins and a bid.
Bubblicious personified!

I’d probably put a ton of coin on butler in that scenario. Fool me once or something like that

[Masterofreality]

I’d probably put a ton of coin on butler in that scenario. Fool me once or something like that

#Death

[boozehound]

This will be an interesting stretch. Is it a rollercoaster or a freefall? If X somehow pulls it out tonight (unlikely) then we are REALLY back on the roller coaster. We have lost 4 of our last 5, so unfortunately this feels more like a late season slide than a roller coaster at this point. Pulling out a win against Providence or Seton Hall would get us back on the coaster, IMO.

MOR might have been wrong about some of the individual games, but the general thrust of this thread is pretty on point, IMO.

[OTRMUSKIE]

X isn't losing to Hall or Gtown. So we will finish 19-11 9-10 . Win first beast game which gives us 20 wins. That will get us in as a 12 seed may be in the PIG may be not. But either way, I still think X is in with 3 more wins.

[profson]

X isn't losing to Hall or Gtown. So we will finish 19-11 9-10 . Win first beast game which gives us 20 wins. That will get us in as a 12 seed may be in the PIG may be not. But either way, I still think X is in with 3 more wins.

Don't know why you assume we beat SH. They are still a dangerous team. If we do what you posit, we are comfortably in. What we are worried about (pessimists and optimists) is that we won't achieve what you posit.

[JTG]

X isn't losing to Hall or Gtown. So we will finish 19-11 9-10 . Win first beast game which gives us 20 wins. That will get us in as a 12 seed may be in the PIG may be not. But either way, I still think X is in with 3 more wins.

No way on earth are we a 12 seed or part of the pig with 20 wins. 10 at the worst. I'd prefer to win a couple before heading to MSG. I don't like the prospects of needing a win over Butler to save our season. They have beaten or scared the hell out of teams way better than us the last couple weeks. I'm thinking the Friars luck has to run out sometime and tonite is the night.

[American X]

I still think we'll beat Seton Hall and Georgetown to get to stone cold lockitude before we ever get to MSG.

We all thought that we would beat DePaul and St. John's. We have no idea with this team. We could hit the damn bull by winning at Providence tonight.

[GoMuskies]

We all thought that we would beat DePaul and St. John's. We have no idea with this team. We could hit the damn bull by winning at Providence tonight.

I mean, we'll probably beat Providence and St. John's and lose to Seton Hall and Georgetown at this point, but I'm just posting what I expect to happen. Expect the unexpected is probably a better plan with this squad, though.

[xukeith]

X isn't losing to Hall or Gtown. So we will finish 19-11 9-10 . Win first beast game which gives us 20 wins. That will get us in as a 12 seed may be in the PIG may be not. But either way, I still think X is in with 3 more wins.

With Seton Hall behind?They don't hand out 13 seeds....

[Masterofreality]

And here we are. 7-9. 17-10
Now coming off a deflating triple OT loss.
Do we have anything left in the tank for Saturday?
??????????????

[markchal]

The record honestly isn't too bad once adjusted with moral victories

Pretty sure all of us would've signed up for 20-7, 10-6 in conference play at this point, so we should be safely in

[Masterofreality]

Welp!! I was too optimistic!!
When do I get my props for positive thinking about Coach Steele, Final 4????

[Masterofreality]

And here we are.
Except that winning game one will not get us in the Tournament. (Methinks)
Gotta win two.
The Roller Coaster has been no fun.

[xudash]

Watch almost divine intervention it would be if we go to New York and beat Butler and then beat Providence in a close game.

[X-band '01]

There's a higher likelikood of that if Morehead knocks off Murray in the OVC tonight. Also worth noting that if Morehead pulls this off, it'll be with their star center Johni Broome doing it on a bad ankle that he hurt early in the 2nd half.

[Xuperman]

And here we are.
Except that winning game one will not get us in the Tournament. (Methinks)
Gotta win two.
The Roller Coaster has been no fun.

Unfortunately yes.

X is barely in now, however the bid stealers have not revealed themself. Too many opportunities to not factor in at our expense.

[Xuperman]

There's a higher likelikood of that if Morehead knocks off Murray in the OVC tonight. Also worth noting that if Morehead pulls this off, it'll be with their star center Johni Broome doing it on a bad ankle that he hurt early in the 2nd half.

Yep, it is too close for comfort right now, late in the 2nd half.

[Xuperman]

2 PT game with 26.6 to play.

[xudash]

Unfortunately yes.

X is barely in now, however the bid stealers have not revealed themself. Too many opportunities to not factor in at our expense.

I thought it did not count unless you call bank shot. Unbelievable.

[Xuperman]

Foul them!!

[Xuperman]

Yikes.....very questionable call!

[xudash]

One thief down - and out?

[X-band '01]

Yikes.....very questionable call!

It was the right call. Broome pushed the Murray player on the blockout and clearly gained an advantage on it.

[Xuperman]

It was the right call. Broome pushed the Murray player on the blockout and clearly gained an advantage on it.

It looked like no hand push but slightly moved him with the body.

[Masterofreality]

Everybody cheer for Loyola tomorrow. At a 29 NET they’re in.
Drake at a 85 NET is not.
Drake must not steal!!!

[KabeX]

Everybody cheer for Loyola tomorrow. At a 29 NET they’re in.
Drake at a 85 NET is not.
Drake must not steal!!!
My (deceased) father-in-law went to Drake. I think he's praying for a Loyola win because it helps Xavier. And Sr. Jean is still with us (them). 102 years old. Don't mess with Sr. Jean. We're good

[X-band '01]

Loyola's playing better basketball this weekend than they have all year, but keep in mind Drake's already beaten them twice. Loyola was so suffocating on D that Northern Iowa missed their final 16 FGs and only had 10 points (all on FTs) in the final 15 minutes of that game.

That said, Drake did need OT to beat Missouri State and will be running on fumes late tomorrow.

[Masterofreality]

Loyola's playing better basketball this weekend than they have all year, but keep in mind Drake's already beaten them twice. Loyola was so suffocating on D that Northern Iowa missed their final 16 FGs and only had 10 points (all on FTs) in the final 15 minutes of that game.

That said, Drake did need OT to beat Missouri State and will be running on fumes late tomorrow.

At 25 NET, plus watching them all year, yesterday was a pretty good summary of what they have done all year. Their defense may be the best I’ve seen. Their timing on doubling the ball is superb. And, MAN, do they move the ball on offense. Remember they went out west and beat San Francisco. Drake, despite the losses is actually a better matchup for them. Missouri State would have been worse.

[xukeith]

Loyola's defense is good BUT they played home vs Drake and Drake lit them up for 83 points.

I will root for Loyola but Drake might have their number.