What's Wrong With Free?

[JTG]

Did Freemantle's foot not heal ? Did his dog die ? His girlfriend leave ? He looks like crap. Even against Butler's pedestrian bigs he was a turnstile. He can't guard anyone. He looked lost last night and has since he came back. I think it's time for Steele to change the lineup and start Nunge. The offense and defense are more fluid with Jack. Let Free sit and play Miles some, and Stanley some. It couldn't be any worse. Free got abused last night.

[xavierj]

Did Freemantle's foot not heal ? Did his dog die ? His girlfriend leave ? He looks like crap. Even against Butler's pedestrian bigs he was a turnstile. He can't guard anyone. He looked lost last night and has since he came back. I think it's time for Steele to change the lineup and start Nunge. The offense and defense are more fluid with Jack. Let Free sit and play Miles some, and Stanley some. It couldn't be any worse. Free got abused last night.

Something is out of whack with Zach. He looks disinterested. Not much effort right now. I don’t think they can afford to start him until something changes. I would be fine with going back to Miles starting, bring Jack off the bench and Zach as well. Maybe play Jack together with Zach more but Zach’s minutes have to go down until he changes. If not the bigs in this league will eat Xavier alive. Xavier was playing fine early starting Miles. Might as well go back to it. Creighton has a 7’0” center who is decent and will murder the current Zach we have been seeing.

[Xville]

I’m assuming it’s the injury? Kind of what I was concerned with..big guys and foot issues is no bueno. Either that or he got Quentin goodin disease where he forgot how to play basketball.

[drudy23]

Most of our guys always seem to struggle a bit when we get to Big East play because they simply aren't strong enough. When Free can get to his spots and his comfort zone, he's a double double guy. Not that easy in the Big East - it's obvious we need more beef on our teams.

I think that's what it comes down to with Free when we play teams that are highly physical and strong.

[American X]

I thought that only guards got Lumpkinitis. I also thought that Burrell and Lavender incinerated every last molecule of it out of the locker room. Yet, alas, here we are (again).

[boozehound]

Most of our guys always seem to struggle a bit when we get to Big East play because they simply aren't strong enough. When Free can get to his spots and his comfort zone, he's a double double guy. Not that easy in the Big East - it's obvious we need more beef on our teams.

I think that's what it comes down to with Free when we play teams that are highly physical and strong.

I agree with this, but I also don't see him busting his ass to not get pushed around.

[XUOWNSUC]

I hate to say it but Freemantle is the softest and mentally weakest player that I have seen at Xavier. If one thing goes wrong (he misses a shot or a ref makes a bad call against him) he lets it get to his head and it effects everything that he does from that point on.

I wish Tu could donate one of his steel balls to Zack...

[xuphan]

Did Freemantle's foot not heal ? Did his dog die ? His girlfriend leave ? He looks like crap. Even against Butler's pedestrian bigs he was a turnstile. He can't guard anyone. He looked lost last night and has since he came back. I think it's time for Steele to change the lineup and start Nunge. The offense and defense are more fluid with Jack. Let Free sit and play Miles some, and Stanley some. It couldn't be any worse. Free got abused last night.

During the last few minutes of the game, I watched him on the bench and he didn’t seem interested at all. I can’t remember the exact play but the bench was jumping up and down and he remained seated. Didn’t seem like he wanted to be at the game. Maybe he is fighting some sort of illness or is still having foot problems. Just disappointed as I had high expectations for him with Nunge joining the team.

[Lloyd Braun]

Most of our guys always seem to struggle a bit when we get to Big East play because they simply aren't strong enough. When Free can get to his spots and his comfort zone, he's a double double guy. Not that easy in the Big East - it's obvious we need more beef on our teams.

I think that's what it comes down to with Free when we play teams that are highly physical and strong.

Ding ding ding ding winner

The interior guys are not bangers. Anyone who has played basketball has played against guys who are just naturally strong. Strong hands, strong core, tough to move regardless of size. I would guess we don’t have any of those type of guys in our front court. They all seem a bit easy to push around especially against Nova, who tend to have those types of guys.

[Xavier]

He showed all these tendencies last year too. The foot injury probably didn’t make it better. I still trust him when he gets the ball in position with back to the hoop. It just doesn’t happen that much, and he his defense is an absolute liability.

[boozehound]

Ding ding ding ding winner

The interior guys are not bangers. Anyone who has played basketball has played against guys who are just naturally strong. Strong hands, strong core, tough to move regardless of size. I would guess we don’t have any of those type of guys in our front court. They all seem a bit easy to push around especially against Nova, who tend to have those types of guys.

This is a good point. I will say that I was surprised, however, that our guards got backed down and pushed around as much as they did. I think of Xavier as having good size at the guard position, but upon further reflection it might be more accurate to say that that we have good length at the guard position.

[drudy23]

Scruggs is the only player on our roster with a Big East body.

[markchal]

I think Freemantle stood out last year too because there was literally nobody else on the team who could score inside. Carter was the 5 lol. Now we aren't as reliant on Free, and Nunge/Hunter are both upgrades over what we had last year. Start those two, bring Free off the bench until (if?) he gets his game right.

Really thought his poor D last year was because we simply couldnt afford to have him in foul trouble. That's not the case this year, but he somehow looks worse

[MHettel]

The intel is out there on Freemantle. Teams are going to hunt him on defense. He's one of our better offensive players, so he's going to be out there. Teams will take every opportunity to go at him in one-on-one post situations because it's an easy bucket or he's gotta foul to make the stop.

Offensively, they are going to dare him to shoot from 3. He does one thing well....actually quite well....he's a good post scorer (nevermind last night). If teams can get him to take 3's and attack him on defense...hell, he may as well just wear THEIR jersey instead of ours.

[Backyard Champ]

He looks like he has had zero improvement defensively. I’m not talking from last year, I mean since he got here. He continually gets lost out there, making other players look bad as well.

Side note: I feel like Xavier is one of the worst “help D” teams in the country. I have to assume it’s not something Travis wants them doing. The problem is, if one of our guys gets beat at the perimeter, we give up an easy/ mostly uncontested shot nearly every time. Defensive help is nonexistent.

[boozehound]

He looks like he has had zero improvement defensively. I’m not talking from last year, I mean since he got here. He continually gets lost out there, making other players look bad as well.

Side note: I feel like Xavier is one of the worst “help D” teams in the country. I have to assume it’s not something Travis wants them doing. The problem is, if one of our guys gets beat at the perimeter, we give up an easy/ mostly uncontested shot nearly every time. Defensive help is nonexistent.

He does look lost out there a lot, which is confusing for a Junior. There was one play, at a crucial time, when a shot went up and the rebound went right over Zach's shoulder to a Villanova player. Zach either was not aware that the ball had been shot (which is a problem) or didn't care enough to find the ball and try to grab a rebound (also a problem).

He also frequently gets torched on defense because he just flat out reads the play wrong and lets up a completely open layup.

I just don't know that the sum total of Zach's contributions to the team are a positive right now vs. a guy like Nunge.

[whopper]

Lets not turn this into a Q or Carter bashing situation.. We know he can play better. He has never had to be a complementary player and it is tough and he has not been playing well; a player knows when they are not playing well. I know he has to develop a "walk on" attitude and do some of the "little " things he is not doing ; getting Offensive Rebounds (hard to do when you are posting now as you defender seals you), being first back and first down; getting Opportunity points. A coach has to get in his ear and make it clear if not clear to him. It can be done. As i am watching Depaul beat Seton Hall now(whcih beat Uconn) we need all hands on deck

[markchal]

He looks like he has had zero improvement defensively. I’m not talking from last year, I mean since he got here. He continually gets lost out there, making other players look bad as well.

Side note: I feel like Xavier is one of the worst “help D” teams in the country. I have to assume it’s not something Travis wants them doing. The problem is, if one of our guys gets beat at the perimeter, we give up an easy/ mostly uncontested shot nearly every time. Defensive help is nonexistent.

Generally agree but think Nunge is a big exception. His length and rim protection has resulted in some blocks and missed shots when he’s still underneath and can help

[D-West & PO-Z]

Something is out of whack with Zach. He looks disinterested. Not much effort right now. I don’t think they can afford to start him until something changes. I would be fine with going back to Miles starting, bring Jack off the bench and Zach as well. Maybe play Jack together with Zach more but Zach’s minutes have to go down until he changes. If not the bigs in this league will eat Xavier alive. Xavier was playing fine early starting Miles. Might as well go back to it. Creighton has a 7’0” center who is decent and will murder the current Zach we have been seeing.

I am all for changing some things up but I don't think Miles is the answer. I am not sure what anyone see's in him to think otherwise. He missed an extremely easy offensive rebound at a big moment last night. Went right through his hands. He just isnt fluid with his movement either.

Stanley would be interesting to see if he could provide any post defense. I like the idea also of bringing Free off the bench and starting Nunge.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Scruggs is the only player on our roster with a Big East body.

I was surprised how well and often Gillespie backed Paul into the lane and scored.

[Xavier]

I was surprised how well and often Gillespie backed Paul into the lane and scored.

I agree. But also think Nova started attacking him because of his foul trouble. I don’t think that completely explains it away- but it was a factor in how easy it appeared to be.

[xavierj]

I am all for changing some things up but I don't think Miles is the answer. I am not sure what anyone see's in him to think otherwise. He missed an extremely easy offensive rebound at a big moment last night. Went right through his hands. He just isnt fluid with his movement either.

Stanley would be interesting to see if he could provide any post defense. I like the idea also of bringing Free off the bench and starting Nunge.

I do not think he is great, but the flow worked. He is fine on defense so won’t hurt them starting. Doesn’t have to play a lot, but then you bring in Jack and Zach when the other team probably has to sub out a big and maybe get some matchup problems and fresher guys. Just feel the team looked better early on when Miles was starting. Not because he was great but it just created some consistency and flow. Guys seemed to know roles better. Zach starting because he is Zach hurts the team right now.

[xukeith]

Miles does play defense.

[boozehound]

I am all for changing some things up but I don't think Miles is the answer. I am not sure what anyone see's in him to think otherwise. He missed an extremely easy offensive rebound at a big moment last night. Went right through his hands. He just isnt fluid with his movement either.

Stanley would be interesting to see if he could provide any post defense. I like the idea also of bringing Free off the bench and starting Nunge.

I mostly agree with this. I think Nunge should start and see starting minutes while Freemantle comes off the bench. Nothing too radical, and I'm not suggesting that we bench Free and don't play him. Starting Miles over Nunge seems like a slap in the face to Nunge, and I'm not sure why you would do that. Jack has been playing well - let him start. Easy switch.

I'm not sure what the make of Stanley, other than the fact that he seems to be planted pretty deep on the bench. I assume there is a reason, but haven't seen enough of him to know what that reason is.

[bleedXblue]

I was surprised how well and often Gillespie backed Paul into the lane and scored.

Part of their style and they do it against everyone for the most part. I was surprised we didnt double him up more after he scored 2-3 times pretty easily. I know that opens up a 3 PT shooter........but again surprised we sort of let it happen like we did in the 1H

[D-West & PO-Z]

Part of their style and they do it against everyone for the most part. I was surprised we didnt double him up more after he scored 2-3 times pretty easily. I know that opens up a 3 PT shooter........but again surprised we sort of let it happen like we did in the 1H

I would have just thought Paul could defend it a little better than he did. Also wish Paul could have returned the favor on the other end but didn't have much success.

[noteggs]

Part of their style and they do it against everyone for the most part. I was surprised we didnt double him up more after he scored 2-3 times pretty easily. I know that opens up a 3 PT shooter........but again surprised we sort of let it happen like we did in the 1H

Yea agree, they have been using that technique since they went small. Originally thought it was a special ability from Brunson, but tradition continues. It just sucks when they do it to us because you would think we should just stop them even though they do it quite well to others.

What kills me is they normally clear out the lane so the guard can penetrate and you keep asking yourself where is help side? You would think a coach or two would have a good defense for it by now.

[X-man]

Part of their style and they do it against everyone for the most part. I was surprised we didnt double him up more after he scored 2-3 times pretty easily. I know that opens up a 3 PT shooter........but again surprised we sort of let it happen like we did in the 1H

I was also surprised that the ref's "let it happen". Gillespie repeatedly cleared a path for himself using his off arm. He's a great player; no need to have the officials give him an even greater advantage.

[Masterofreality]

There is no way in any universe that Freemantle should start vs Creighton tomorrow. Kalkbruenner will eat him alive if so.
I’m for Miles to start with Jack in at the first 3 to 4 minutes. Free can come in for Hunter.
If Steele starts Freemantle tomorrow I’m throwing a shoe at the TV.

[drudy23]

It's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Starting line-ups are similar to pre-season polls if you ask me. Kind of meaningless.

Considering that, if Free is going to start, start him with Nunge.

[SM#24]

There is no way in any universe that Freemantle should start vs Creighton tomorrow. Kalkbruenner will eat him alive if so.
I’m for Miles to start with Jack in at the first 3 to 4 minutes. Free can come in for Hunter.
If Steele starts Freemantle tomorrow I’m throwing a shoe at the TV.

Figured you would be in the house and then you could throw your shoe on the court.

[IM4X]

Most of our guys always seem to struggle a bit when we get to Big East play because they simply aren't strong enough. When Free can get to his spots and his comfort zone, he's a double double guy. Not that easy in the Big East - it's obvious we need more beef on our teams.

I think that's what it comes down to with Free when we play teams that are highly physical and strong.

yep. Been posting about this since Tyrique’s departure. We have been pushed around inside for three years now. Nunge has been quite a bit better than Carter or even Free at defending, but we desperate need some more muscle and toughness. Fact.

[IM4X]

During the last few minutes of the game, I watched him on the bench and he didnÂ’t seem interested at all. I canÂ’t remember the exact play but the bench was jumping up and down and he remained seated. DidnÂ’t seem like he wanted to be at the game. Maybe he is fighting some sort of illness or is still having foot problems. Just disappointed as I had high expectations for him with Nunge joining the team.

Yes. I’ve noticed that look form him on the bench in other games, as well. He should be one the most mature and focused players on the team and yet he’d rather be a distraction. During the UC game in particular, he was not being a team player. He was goofing off on the bench and when he got in he had a few bad fouls including a technical. He started laughing and giving high fives after getting the technical. I get that it was UC and he probably wanted to come across as a bad ass in the Crosstown Shootout. The thing is, it was not a good look. I think Steele should have pulled him aside back then and let him know that kind of loose canon attitude in a game is exactly what is going to lead to some losses and hurt the team’s chances of getting into the dance.

If I were Steele, I’d be like, “You do realize you are not even playing close to your ability- You need to show you are focused and “all in” - playing hard and smart. We are going to need you to step it up and get serious, if we want to make it to the dance and possibly go on a run. You brought incredible intensity and tenacity last season. You were focused and determined. This year it looks like you don’t even care half of the time- both when you are on the court and off. This team is looking to you for leadership. You need to give everything you have. You need to stand your ground and be much tougher on defense and you need to bringing tenacity on both ends of the court and positive energy when you are on the bench.”

[xavierj]

yep. Been posting about this since Tyrique’s departure. We have been pushed around inside for three years now. Nunge has been quite a bit better than Carter or even Free at defending, but we desperate need some more muscle and toughness. Fact.

Just for clairity this is only the 2nd year and 17 Big East games without Tyrique.

[whopper]

Yes. I’ve noticed that look form him on the bench in other games, as well. He should be one the most mature and focused players on the team and yet he’d rather be a distraction. During the UC game in particular, he was not being a team player. He was goofing off on the bench and when he got in he had a few bad fouls including a technical. He started laughing and giving high fives after getting the technical. I get that it was UC and he probably wanted to come across as a bad ass in the Crosstown Shootout. The thing is, it was not a good look. I think Steele should have pulled him aside back then and let him know that kind of loose canon attitude in a game is exactly what is going to lead to some losses and hurt the team’s chances of getting into the dance.

If I were Steele, I’d be like, “You do realize you are not even playing close to your ability- You need to show you are focused and “all in” - playing hard and smart. We are going to need you to step it up and get serious, if we want to make it to the dance and possibly go on a run. You brought incredible intensity and tenacity last season. You were focused and determined. This year it looks like you don’t even care half of the time- both when you are on the court and off. This team is looking to you for leadership. You need to give everything you have. You need to stand your ground and be much tougher on defense and you need to bringing tenacity on both ends of the court and positive energy when you are on the bench.”

That is about as good as it can be said..I would add "we know there are no guaranteed results, you could stand your ground and get incorrectly called for fouls, you can take it hart to hoop and miss and have fouls not called. There are no guaranteed results but there is guaranteed effort and focus and regarldess of result you will not be criticized for showing effort and focus".

[UCGRAD4X]

I hope we get a chance to get Miles on the floor more and get him in some sort of groove. We are going to need him...do need him. What are we going to have next year?

I still remember Spain. Sure it was Spain, but he showed some real skill. What the hell happened?

[Xville]

I hope we get a chance to get Miles on the floor more and get him in some sort of groove. We are going to need him...do need him. What are we going to have next year?

I still remember Spain. Sure it was Spain, but he showed some real skill. What the hell happened?

He was doing fine, not great but serviceable and brought a different dimension. Then, big East play happened and Steele decides to bury him on the depth chart and barely give him any time during a time where I think he is needed most. Now, his confidence may be shot and he’s worried about making a mistake during his 1 minute of game action.

[UCGRAD4X]

I hope he, or anyone else, would recognize that judging someone on one minute of play is ludicrous. But, I guess that is how we operate anymore. Immediate satisfaction. What have you done for me lately. In a world where an otherwise stellar career can be ruined by one politically incorrect comment....

Sorry, wrong thread.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

[American X]

I get that it was UC and he probably wanted to come across as a bad ass in the Crosstown Shootout. The thing is, it was not a good look.

Doing the Zip 'Em Up on the way to the locker room was kind of an awesome look.

[XUGRAD80]

Confidence in one’s play is not based just on how performs during games, or even just how many minutes of play a player gets. How a player is used, treated, and talked to during practice sessions and other interactions with the coaches is equally, or even more important, at the college level. I think that much of Steele’s talk in the press about how good a player is practicing, is really all about stroking players egos. For those players that NEED that. A few need it, most don’t. While I certainly agree that confidence is very very important in how a player performs, a player with great confidence but low skill/talent is probably not going to be successful at the highest level.


In fact though, OVERconfidence is often more of a problem with players at this level. Many are used to having their way against HS competition. They were bigger, stronger, quicker, and more skilled than 90% of the players they played against since they first started playing. Many come in thinking that they are hot $h*t and have to learn that what worked in HS isn’t going to work now. They have to learn new skills and they have to learn what playing hard really means. Many try to do to much, too. They were “the man” before, now they are just “a” man. That’s often hard for a player to accept, especially when the folks back home and the kids they grew up with don’t understand. They keep getting asked why they aren’t playing, or why they aren’t scoring more? That’s a lot of pressure for a young person to deal with.

[IM4X]

Doing the Zip 'Em Up on the way to the locker room was kind of an awesome look.

Yep. Doing “Zip’ Em up” away from the court and not during the first or second half of play is completely okay. Just can’t be doing that stuff during the game- especially when you are the one hurting your team on the court with your choices.

[XUGRAD80]

That was a bit better by Zack. Not perfect by any means, but better.

[boozehound]

Zach looked a lot more active today than I have seen him look lately, especially in the 2nd half. 6-16 isn’t great, but it’s nice to see him find some offense, even if it wasn’t the most efficient outing.

[XU-PA]

Coach Steele addressed that in his Creighton post game. Basically Zach had months off from the injury, basically physically started from scratch. And he is playing a different position, new skills to learn.

[whopper]

he looked more fluid and there is a relearning process. He showed more effort and did not hang his head when kaltenbruger blocked one or two shots. He is learning to not be "the man" and that may be hard

[UCGRAD4X]

he looked more fluid and there is a relearning process. He showed more effort and did not hang his head when kaltenbruger blocked one or two shots. He is learning to not be "the man" and that may be hard

I don't remember which play, but he pouty retreating down the court into the paint and suddenly and frantically tried to figure out where he was supposed to be our who he was supposed to cover. I don't think it resulted in anything untoward but I'm glad that this might be the greater exception.

[IM4X]

he looked more fluid and there is a relearning process. He showed more effort and did not hang his head when kaltenbruger blocked one or two shots. He is learning to not be "the man" and that may be hard

I did not get to watch much of the game. The part I did get to see, Free did seem to show more effort. You are right that he doesn’t have to be “the man.” Just okay his role and give great effort.

Again, I missed most of the game, but I don’t love looking at the box score and seeing he and Nunge shooting as many 3s as Johnson (even more in Nunge’s case). That is not a recipe for success. In fact, they were a combined 0-5 from 3. The big fellas need to stick mostly to their inside game.

[UCGRAD4X]

I did not get to watch much of the game. The part I did get to see, Free did seem to show more effort. You are right that he doesn’t have to be “the man.” Just okay his role and give great effort.

Again, I missed most of the game, but I don’t love looking at the box score and seeing he and Nunge shooting as many 3s as Johnson (even more in Nunge’s case). That is not a recipe for success. In fact, they were a combined 0-5 from 3. The big fellas need to stick mostly to their inside game.

Absolutely agree, but it seemed as much the BJ's not letting Johnson get good looks.

[American X]

I don’t love looking at the box score and seeing he and Nunge shooting as many 3s as Johnson (even more in Nunge’s case). That is not a recipe for success. In fact, they were a combined 0-5 from 3. The big fellas need to stick mostly to their inside game.

Are Freemantle and Nunge screaming WHITE CHOCOLATE! when taking these threes?

[whopper]

This is what was needed, no guaranteed results but guaranteed efforts and the results (eventually) will come if you have the skill or strength or endurance.. It is easy to put in effort against Ball St where you will get every shot off.. i think he forgot about how good the Big East Was!(plus a number of new players)

From Enquirer
"After Wednesday's loss to Villanova, a game in which Freemantle didn't play the final six and a half minutes, Steele told Freemantle he wants him to focus on two things.


"It's just your attitude and your effort," said Steele. "If you have a great attitude, you're a great teammate and you give max effort.

"Get back to just flying around, sprinting the floor, hustling on the glass. And he did that."

[STL_XUfan]

At what point do the members of the Jimmy Binnie society need to get to get together to determine if Zach is going to win the Jimmy Binnie Memorial Traffic Cone?

[profson]

The stomach bug that hit Adam and Miles has now affected Freemantle (who did not practice today). If he is limited tomorrow that could me be a setback. One advantage we can exploit vs. Marquette is we are a good rebounding team and they are not (other than Lewis who is a top rebounder). Zach has show good signs lately on the rebounding front. Hunter has not been a good rebounder.

[XUGRAD80]

The stomach bug that hit Adam and Miles has now affected Freemantle (who did not practice today). If he is limited tomorrow that could me be a setback. One advantage we can exploit vs. Marquette is we are a good rebounding team and they are not (other than Lewis who is a top rebounder). Zach has show good signs lately on the rebounding front. Hunter has not been a good rebounder.

Game is Sunday, not Saturday, so he might be recovered by then.

[Masterofreality]

He’ll play. 24 hour bug

[xukeith]

He’ll play. 24 hour bug

Colby Jones better get 10 offensive rebounds vs. these softies.

[Xavier]

Xavier really going a long way to keep that Kunkel “illness” story Alive.

(Handful of people thought X made up the Kunkel illness story to hide roster mismanagement lol)

[D-West & PO-Z]

Xavier really going a long way to keep that Kunkel “illness” story Alive.

(Handful of people thought X made up the Kunkel illness story to hide roster mismanagement lol)

HA!

[American X]

Whatever cosmic purpose it served in this fleeting existence of ours, it has been completely exhausted and spent. It is time (far past) to give Zach Freemantle's three-point shot its proper Viking funeral and send it to its eternal rest in Valhalla.

[xuphan]

Whatever cosmic purpose it served in this fleeting existence of ours, it has been completely exhausted and spent. It is time (far past) to give Zach Freemantle's three-point shot its proper Viking funeral and send it to its eternal rest in Valhalla.

One of the other posters mentioned that Zach is dealing with a nonCovid virus. I am wondering if that is why his production has been down lately.

[American X]

One of the other posters mentioned that Zach is dealing with a nonCovid virus. I am wondering if that is why his production has been down lately.

That or his three-point shot is terrible.

[X Factor]

One of the other posters mentioned that Zach is dealing with a nonCovid virus. I am wondering if that is why his production has been down lately.

Keep making excuses.

[bleedXblue]

How does a guy go from averaging 16 and 9 last year look at times like he's never played the game before? He's been back playing for over a month and looks to be over his injury. Total head scratcher. Add to that, Scruggs isn't himself either and Johnson is not playing well.

3 guys who were expected to be leading this years team really aren't playing well. Puts a lot of pressure on everyone else.

Cant be scheme and the lack of getting good open looks for these guys can it?

[drudy23]

I believe it's scheme.

He's decent in the post, but this team rarely relies heavily on it. He's below average on the perimeter and this team relies heavily on it. He's not big enough to be the post presence in a 4 out, 1 in offense (for example, like Ochefu or Dixon at Nova), and he's not a threat shooting the 3. Where does he fit in this type of offense?

Much like last year, we rely on the things we don't do well, and aren't patient enough to execute on the things we do well. He's a fish out of water in this scheme.

Also, the Big East has great coaches. Their defensive schemes always seem to work.

[noteggs]

Damn, Phan can’t catch a break. When he is negative about the team, he gets blown up. Ask a legit question about a possibility of a player not being himself, he gets blown up. Tough crowd.

[xuphan]

Damn, Phan can’t catch a break. When he is negative about the team, he gets blown up. Ask a legit question about a possibility of a player not being himself, he gets blown up. Tough crowd.

No kidding.

[Masterofreality]

I believe it's scheme.

He's decent in the post, but this team rarely relies heavily on it. He's below average on the perimeter and this team relies heavily on it. He's not big enough to be the post presence in a 4 out, 1 in offense (for example, like Ochefu or Dixon at Nova), and he's not a threat shooting the 3. Where does he fit in this type of offense?

Much like last year, we rely on the things we don't do well, and aren't patient enough to execute on the things we do well. He's a fish out of water in this scheme.

Also, the Big East has great coaches. Their defensive schemes always seem to work.

Are we seeing a repeat of the typical, "As soon as the opposition gets film on Xavier and can scout, Xavier declines"?
All I know is that today Smart and his team knew exactly what to do against the 2-3 zone and carved it up, so X couldn't stay in it. Also, since Dwon Odom had torn them up and scored 19 on penetration in game one, when Xavier started the second half attacking the basket, Smart immediately adjusted to pack the paint more and challenging X to make outside shots. They couldn't do it. Finally, every team in this league knows they can exploit Freemantle's defense. That has become painfully obvious.

Steele never adjusted back. Time to install a 1-3-1 zone.

[markchal]

How does a guy go from averaging 16 and 9 last year look at times like he's never played the game before? He's been back playing for over a month and looks to be over his injury. Total head scratcher. Add to that, Scruggs isn't himself either and Johnson is not playing well.

3 guys who were expected to be leading this years team really aren't playing well. Puts a lot of pressure on everyone else.

Cant be scheme and the lack of getting good open looks for these guys can it?

Credit to Scruggs he's been much better than the other two mentioned here...

For Free, I think part of his production last year was inflated due to literally having nobody else inside. SOMEONE has to score and grab rebounds. Also we aren't as reliant on him this year, so he doesn't get the touches/shots he's probably used to. I am concerned that Steele is having to coach up his attitude and effort, which should be a given for a player with that much experience.

[drudy23]

Credit to Scruggs he's been much better than the other two mentioned here...

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Um...

[Xville]

Paul’s stats are pretty much the lowest they have been since his freshman year across the board. You would think as a fifth year senior who came back to do this one more time with “unfinished business” that he’d be much better. I like Paul, but he’s been one of the most frustrating players that’s played for x for me. I expected a much higher ceiling coming in as a top 35 recruit

[Xuperman]

Paul’s stats are pretty much the lowest they have been since his freshman year across the board. You would think as a fifth year senior who came back to do this one more time with “unfinished business” that he’d be much better. I like Paul, but he’s been one of the most frustrating players that’s played for x for me. I expected a much higher ceiling coming in as a top 35 recruit

Your best post EVER!
:jumpforjoy:

[Xuperman]

What kinda voodoo magic can ANY coach do, when his 2 ALL conference guys don't perform like ALL conference guys? Throw in the curious case of Nate Johnson.....it gets really weird, no?

[X Factor]

Paul’s stats are pretty much the lowest they have been since his freshman year across the board. You would think as a fifth year senior who came back to do this one more time with “unfinished business” that he’d be much better. I like Paul, but he’s been one of the most frustrating players that’s played for x for me. I expected a much higher ceiling coming in as a top 35 recruit

Maybe we now know why after 4 years, it's time to move on. I think Paul has been a warrior and a great representative of Xavier. He has given a lot to this program and I'm thankful, but playing 5 years at one school is a long time. He is who he is. I was expecting him to have a big year, but he's not playing like a 5th year all-conference player. Maybe he'll find some magic down the stretch.

[xukeith]

With Johnson, I believe opponents cover him and don't let him get many free looks. Now Kunkel gets better looks because he is not swarmed by defenders.

[bleedXblue]

With Johnson, I believe opponents cover him and don't let him get many free looks. Now Kunkel gets better looks because he is not swarmed by defenders.

Kunkel is in constant motion and moves way better off the ball than Johnson does.

Johnson doesnt get good looks b/c of this and the fact that we can run plays to get him good open looks either.

[Masterofreality]

Kunkel is in constant motion and moves way better off the ball than Johnson does.

Johnson doesnt get good looks b/c of this and the fact that we can run plays to get him good open looks either.

Absolutely correct, Bleed. Kunk never stops

[American X]

Can Ben Stanley not play? Is his knee or Travis Steele keeping him on the bench?

Could he not provide some quality minutes when Hunter and Freemantle are playing like headless chickens? Is he really that much worse than those two?

All this talk about our weakness at forward and there is a big dude right on the bench.

[Masterofreality]

Can Ben Stanley not play? Is his knee or Travis Steele keeping him on the bench?

Could he not provide some quality minutes when Hunter and Freemantle are playing like headless chickens? Is he really that much worse than those two?

All this talk about our weakness at forward and there is a big dude right on the bench.

“Practice Points” methinks

[bjf123]

Did practice points originate with Steele, or is that a carryover from Mack or Miller?


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[noteggs]

Did practice points originate with Steele, or is that a carryover from Mack or Miller?


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I know Mack did it. Not sure with Miller

[SC in DC]

Screw practice points--what about GAME points. He was a 20 point scorer, admittedly in a much lesser league, but so was Hanky. Why not give him a few minutes. What has Hunter or Free given us so far that is irreplaceable?

[markchal]

I actually think Hunter is not a bad rotational player. I'm even fine starting him as long as Nunge is next to him. He gives some effort on defense, has some nice drives. He's gotta stop loving his jumper so much, but I think he's a fine rotational guy for 12-15 min a game. Definitely has the athleticism to develop into an even better contributor IMO with maturity and work.

[MHettel]

I actually think Hunter is not a bad rotational player. I'm even fine starting him as long as Nunge is next to him. He gives some effort on defense, has some nice drives. He's gotta stop loving his jumper so much, but I think he's a fine rotational guy for 12-15 min a game. Definitely has the athleticism to develop into an even better contributor IMO with maturity and work.

To me Hunter is a guy that just has incredible size, but just hasnt quite figured out how to control it all. He just seems a little bit clumsy to me. It's like he woke up one day and was 6 inches taller suddenly and cant quite master the motor skills because these long arms and long legs are just a bit foreign to him.

Kind of reminds me of Justin Martin, who I realize was not the same height, but Martin just seems clumsy to me.

[Xuperman]

To me Hunter is a guy that just has incredible size, but just hasnt quite figured out how to control it all. He just seems a little bit clumsy to me. It's like he woke up one day and was 6 inches taller suddenly and cant quite master the motor skills because these long arms and long legs are just a bit foreign to him.

Kind of reminds me of Justin Martin, who I realize was not the same height, but Martin just seems clumsy to me.

Insert Dieonte Miles in this post....it is spot on.

[sgarcia]

Little surprised that Stanley doesn't get a look for a few minutes in the 1st half of games just to see if he's a more viable option for a short period of time against certain teams. Didn't he average 22ppg/game a couple of years ago? Other than that, it's going to be 8 guys we see each game with the same substitution pattern for the first 10 minutes of the game.

[IM4X]

I wouldn’t mind testing Miles on the court with another big like Nunge or Free. Not a fan of Miles and Hunter together because neither seems to be much of a threat on offense in the paint. Marquette added to their lead because of that lineup. I can’t help but wonder if that second true big (Free or Nunge) was in there with him- grabbing attention- he might have an easier time scoring.

[Xville]

I wouldn’t mind testing Miles on the court with another big like Nunge or Free. Not a fan of Miles and Hunter together because neither seems to be much of a threat on offense in the paint. Marquette added to their lead because of that lineup. I can’t help but wonder if that second true big (Free or Nunge) in there with him- grabbing attention- he might have an easier time scoring.

I’m with ya on this…I’m pretty perplexed as to why Steele haven’t put nunge and miles together , having two big guys worked wonders a few years ago with Hankins but Steele is obsessed with his stretch four idea. At least teams in the big East would think differently about going inside instead of having the traffic cone of freemantle out there for so many minutes

[drudy23]

I’m with ya on this…I’m pretty perplexed as to why Steele haven’t put nunge and miles together , having two big guys worked wonders a few years ago with Hankins but Steele is obsessed with his stretch four idea. At least teams in the big East would think differently about going inside instead of having the traffic cone of freemantle out there for so many minutes

It would probably also free up guys like Scruggs and Nate to get it going again from 3. There's no chance Miles hangs out on the 3 point line like Free does.

It's exactly why the Hankins/Tyrique combo worked - as well as both being quality Big East interior beef. I have no doubt we'd be a more efficient and consistent offensive team playing 2 true bigs. We wouldn't get pushed around as much either.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Insert Dieonte Miles in this post....it is spot on.

Yeah, perfect description of Miles.

[Xavier]

Yeah, Miles is just tall. A project coming in to see if he could develop- he hasn’t. Maybe he can be good to come in and get some fouls or something

[xdude]

With Johnson, I believe opponents cover him and don't let him get many free looks. Now Kunkel gets better looks because he is not swarmed by defenders.

Nate is suffering from fear, more commonly called a lack of confidence. He knows what it feels like to shoot a pure shot, but when we get shit it our heads about how badly we need this to go in or how desperate the game is, we're operating from the wrong place. Nate, like us all, needs to realize the totality of Now and let go all the what ifs and what if nots. Appreciate this life, your part in the game however it's unfolding.

Of course, I'm pushing 70. Didn't think much about such things in my early 20s.

[boozehound]

To me Hunter is a guy that just has incredible size, but just hasnt quite figured out how to control it all. He just seems a little bit clumsy to me. It's like he woke up one day and was 6 inches taller suddenly and cant quite master the motor skills because these long arms and long legs are just a bit foreign to him.

Kind of reminds me of Justin Martin, who I realize was not the same height, but Martin just seems clumsy to me.

Justin Martin might have just been high.

[Backyard Champ]

Maybe I’m missing something- but I have no clue what people are seeing with Miles. He’s very clearly a project. Maybe the argument would be he is willing to give up some fouls on defense?

[IM4X]

Maybe I’m missing something- but I have no clue what people are seeing with Miles. He’s very clearly a project. Maybe the argument would be he is willing to give up some fouls on defense?

Yes, he is a bit of a project. Yet, you could help him build confidence and possibly even score more if you put him in there with another true big who can score like Nunge. It’s better than having him be the only true big in the game… which creates a tougher challenge in the paint for him and causes him to get beat more often… which then causes him to lose confidence.

Imagine instead, Miles out there with Nunge. 6’ 11 twin towers swatting away everything that comes in the paint. With less area to cover, it would mean Miles is less likely to foul. Heck, even if he does foul, so what. We want to see him being more aggressive. Take more chances. That’s the only way he will elevate his game. A Miles/Nunge duo for 10+ minutes a game could be good for them both and might be just what the doctor ordered for this team.

[Xuperman]

Yes, he is a bit of a project. Yet, you could help him build confidence and possibly even score more if you put him in there with another true big who can score like Nunge. It’s better than having him be the only true big in the game… which creates a tougher challenge in the paint for him and causes him to get beat more often… which then causes him to lose confidence.

Imagine instead, Miles out there with Nunge. 6’ 11 twin towers swatting away everything that comes in the paint. With less area to cover, it would mean Miles is less likely to foul. Heck, even if he does foul, so what. We want to see him being more aggressive. Take more chances. That’s the only way he will elevate his game. A Miles/Nunge duo for 10+ minutes a game could be good for them both and might be just what the doctor ordered for this team.

That would be a nice wrinkle vs UConn. Sanogo has become un-guardable.

[bleedXblue]

I still think our offense lacks an identity. We only run an occasional set play that results in a good open look. We aren't a particularly good passing team. It's a lot of holding onto the ball and dribbling around the top of the key and then with 10 seconds left we have sometime basically try to get a decent look and make an individual play.

We've been talking about this issue for 3 years.

IMHO Steele should have brought a savvy veteran coach who could install a system and help him in this area. He's not done this. Simply do not get it.

[bleedXblue]

I still think our offense lacks an identity. We only run an occasional set play that results in a good open look. We aren't a particularly good passing team. It's a lot of holding onto the ball and dribbling around the top of the key and then with 10 seconds left we have sometime basically try to get a decent look and make an individual play.

We've been talking about this issue for 3 years.

IMHO Steele should have brought a savvy veteran coach who could install a system and help him in this area. He's not done this. Simply do not get it.

[boozehound]

I still think our offense lacks an identity. We only run an occasional set play that results in a good open look. We aren't a particularly good passing team. It's a lot of holding onto the ball and dribbling around the top of the key and then with 10 seconds left we have sometime basically try to get a decent look and make an individual play.

We've been talking about this issue for 3 years.

IMHO Steele should have brought a savvy veteran coach who could install a system and help him in this area. He's not done this. Simply do not get it.

I think our offense has lacked an identity for close to 15 years, which makes me think it's some kind of philosophy that Mack and Steele share. It doesn't seem to be working out for either at the moment. I assume it works well if you have at least one guard/wing that is almost unguardable and can create their own shot at all. We don't have one of those players at the moment. Even Mack's better teams generally relied heavily on one player to create when needed (Crawford, Christon, Blueitt, Marshall). Steele keeps wanting / expecting Scruggs to be that guy, but he just isn't.

You are spot on in the assessment of the offense. There isn't a lot of movement off the ball, and when guys do move off the ball it's usually either (1) half-assed and lacking in purpose, or (2) setting a half-assed screen. We rarely have crisp, purposeful cuts, and when we swing the ball around the perimeter it is slow and sloppy, so we don't get guys open on the perimeter. It's like the entire offensive philosophy is just to create a 1:1 matchup for a player to make an individual play. That probably works really well when you have a talent advantage at most/all positions, which is probably part of why it worked better for Mack in the A10 than the Big East. The Big East is a big boy conference with teams that consistently recruit well, and Xavier isn't going to have massive talent advantages in the majority of the games. That's where an offensive philosophy becomes really valuable. Steele doesn't seem to have one.

[XUGRAD80]

I think our offense has lacked an identity for close to 15 years, which makes me think it's some kind of philosophy that Mack and Steele share. It doesn't seem to be working out for either at the moment. I assume it works well if you have at least one guard/wing that is almost unguardable and can create their own shot at all. We don't have one of those players at the moment. Even Mack's better teams generally relied heavily on one player to create when needed (Crawford, Christon, Blueitt, Marshall). Steele keeps wanting / expecting Scruggs to be that guy, but he just isn't.

You are spot on in the assessment of the offense. There isn't a lot of movement off the ball, and when guys do move off the ball it's usually either (1) half-assed and lacking in purpose, or (2) setting a half-assed screen. We rarely have crisp, purposeful cuts, and when we swing the ball around the perimeter it is slow and sloppy, so we don't get guys open on the perimeter. It's like the entire offensive philosophy is just to create a 1:1 matchup for a player to make an individual play. That probably works really well when you have a talent advantage at most/all positions, which is probably part of why it worked better for Mack in the A10 than the Big East. The Big East is a big boy conference with teams that consistently recruit well, and Xavier isn't going to have massive talent advantages in the majority of the games. That's where an offensive philosophy becomes really valuable. Steele doesn't seem to have one.

^ This is spot on. It's my biggest complaint about Steele and his offense, and it also points out that the talent that X has, while good, is not superior to the competition any longer. X could get away with relying on superior talent in the A-10 days, but they can't do that any longer.

[muskiefan82]

^ This is spot on. It's my biggest complaint about Steele and his offense, and it also points out that the talent that X has, while good, is not superior to the competition any longer. X could get away with relying on superior talent in the A-10 days, but they can't do that any longer.

It's also why this works against the non-con teams who haven't seen this before, but will NOT work against BE teams who know exactly what X is.

[Xville]

So, In other words, x needs a new coach or at the least overhaul a lot of what he is doing.

[drudy23]

As for Miles, I would put him in every once in a while with Nunge for the simple fact of relieving some pressure off of the perimeter. 6-8 minutes per game to see if it can free up some open looks.

When Nunge and Free are in, Free just hangs on the 3 point line, because Steele can't stand 2 guys near the paint.

[bleedXblue]

So, In other words, x needs a new coach or at the least overhaul a lot of what he is doing.

Yes, IMHO if Steele manages to get us into the tourney this year and is extended.......If I am Christopher part of that is a requirement that he brings onto his staff someone that can implement a scheme that fits the players on the roster and 2022-2023 recruits. Clearly, he and/or his current assistants cant

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yes, IMHO if Steele manages to get us into the tourney this year and is extended.......If I am Christopher part of that is a requirement that he brings onto his staff someone that can implement a scheme that fits the players on the roster and 2022-2023 recruits. Clearly, he and/or his current assistants cant

So you think that after Steele gets Xavier into the tourney for the first time (hopefully) and has his best year as the head coach in his first 4 years, that the AD is going to demand Steele make assistant coaching changes? There is zero % chance that happens.

Heck, if that was even remotely close to happening, Christopher would have done it last year when there was a coaching spot that opened up with Ben Johnson leaving.

If Christopher thinks Steele can't figure out a scheme to fit his players then he should fire Steele. If Steele misses the tournament this year, I think that is exactly what he should do. But I find it hard to believe Christopher would demand some sort of change in the staff after Steele's best year as a head coach.

[drudy23]

The basketball coach should be the basketball expert. Unless an AD was a former high level and successful D1 basketball coach, they shouldn't be recommending or demanding coaching changes. UNLESS - the coach isn't willing to evaluate and make decisions on the staff himself (doesn't want to upset "my guys").

If the coach isn't willing to evaluate and make tough choices about his program, he shouldn't be in the chair. Coaches do an annual evaluation of their coaching staff and even make changes in GREAT years if they think it will make them better. Happens all the time.

I'm not saying anyone needs to go - just saying with the relatively average seasons we've had, there might have been some shuffling. But at the same time, they're doing well on the recruiting trail.

Maybe I'm over-inflating our talent, but I think we have top 3 talent in this league across the board. We seem to be achieving at a lower level than our talent.

[XUGRAD80]

Maybe I'm over-inflating our talent, but I think we have top 3 talent in this league across the board. We seem to be achieving at a lower level than our talent.

While I agree with the rest of your post, I do think that you ARE over-inflating the talent this roster possess. I can’t think of one player on the roster that is a slam dunk NBA or high level European League player. I can’t think of any of them that I would consider elite athletes. Coby Jones is probably the closest to either of those things, and he will need to develop quite a bit before that happens. IMO there’s not a complete player in the bunch. Everyone of them has at least one serious flaw.

Now that could be overcome…IF they had a coach that could get them to play a real TEAM oriented brand of basketball on a consistent basis. But that’s not the reality of the situation.

[xukeith]

While I agree with the rest of your post, I do think that you ARE over-inflating the talent this roster possess. I can’t think of one player on the roster that is a slam dunk NBA or high level European League player. I can’t think of any of them that I would consider elite athletes. Coby Jones is probably the closest to either of those things, and he will need to develop quite a bit before that happens. IMO there’s not a complete player in the bunch. Everyone of them has at least one serious flaw.

Now that could be overcome…IF they had a coach that could get them to play a real TEAM oriented brand of basketball on a consistent basis. But that’s not the reality of the situation.

Like Iowa St.? Like Louisville? Or how about Michigan St? Maybe Virginia? Florida St?
Duke, Villanova, UCLA and Baylor might get the exception due to top 10 talent with recruits.

[bleedXblue]

So you think that after Steele gets Xavier into the tourney for the first time (hopefully) and has his best year as the head coach in his first 4 years, that the AD is going to demand Steele make assistant coaching changes? There is zero % chance that happens.

Heck, if that was even remotely close to happening, Christopher would have done it last year when there was a coaching spot that opened up with Ben Johnson leaving.

If Christopher thinks Steele can't figure out a scheme to fit his players then he should fire Steele. If Steele misses the tournament this year, I think that is exactly what he should do. But I find it hard to believe Christopher would demand some sort of change in the staff after Steele's best year as a head coach.

Of course a lot of things can change and impact what happens. I'm foreshadowing here some.......if we make it into the tourney as an 8-9 seed and drop our first game, as an AD I'm not clicking my heals and assuming all is well with the program and Steele.

if we somehow pull off a top 4 finish in the BE and win a few games in the tourney, clearly a different scenario. I just dont see how that happens with this coaching staff. Hope I am wrong.

[markchal]

My only problem with the "play Miles more with Nunge" crowd is we would clog the lane big time on offense. We sort of rely on having some of our bigger guards like Scruggs and Jones driving and posting up on smaller defenders. Also Odom needs lanes to drive since he has no outside shot. Freemantle *used* to be able to shoot like 32 percent or something from 3 (maybe I'm wrong) which is enough to keep his defender honest. Nunge is most effective when he can score inside but also hit the occasional 3 when his defender is sagging too much on help defense.

You put Miles in there, you better play both Nate and Kunkel or that offense is gonna be rough

[drudy23]

While I agree with the rest of your post, I do think that you ARE over-inflating the talent this roster possess. I can’t think of one player on the roster that is a slam dunk NBA or high level European League player. I can’t think of any of them that I would consider elite athletes. Coby Jones is probably the closest to either of those things, and he will need to develop quite a bit before that happens. IMO there’s not a complete player in the bunch. Everyone of them has at least one serious flaw.

Now that could be overcome…IF they had a coach that could get them to play a real TEAM oriented brand of basketball on a consistent basis. But that’s not the reality of the situation.

I agree we don't have any NBA guys, but I think you can overcome that with consistent depth. I think, overall as a team, we have top 3 talent in the conference. No studs, but 7-8 very good college players. I think that can be just as good as a 1-2 NBA guys.

[MHettel]

I can envision Miles as the lone big if we try to run a 4 guard offense.

Scruggs, Johnson, Kunkle, Jones and Miles.

Plenty of shooting. The other team would be forced to matchup with a small lineup that could guard ours. Miles would have no role on offense except for put back guy. Defensively, Miles is just a help Rim protector.

I dont see any other lineup where he fits. His offensive game offers nothing and he would just clog things up if he's out there with another big.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I agree we don't have any NBA guys, but I think you can overcome that with consistent depth. I think, overall as a team, we have top 3 talent in the conference. No studs, but 7-8 very good college players. I think that can be just as good as a 1-2 NBA guys.

At the beginning of the season, I agreed with you. I looked at our, then, eleven-man rotation (including Tandy + Stanley) and thought we had an embarrassment of riches. So much depth. How could we not have a great year? Now, halfway into the season, already wondering about our coach's ability, I also question if our talent really is that good. We are down to nine but Miles (future B.E. Defensive P.O.Y.) hasn't really gotten off the bench. Scruggs and Nate both disappeared when we started in-conference play. Free not only isn't justifying his selection to the pre-season B.E. team but, many of us question his very inclusion in the starting five. Colby, unquestionably our most consistent player, has recently been inconsistent. I don't know. Maybe, we really aren't that good. Maybe, we are all tearing our hair out questioning Steele's leadership but perhaps, he is doing the best he can (or something not quite the best he can muster) with a group of not that talented players.

At this point, I just don't know. We seem close to being in the same place today that we were about this time last season. On the cusp of our annual second half season ending swoon. I cannot figure out why. But something isn't right with this team and I cannot identify it.

[MHettel]

I'm kinda feeling like we just need a "pure" PG on the roster. I like Scruggs, but PG is not his best position. He's there out of need. I'd prefer we had a true PG and could let Paul be a 3. he could guard it, and he can shoot and has a good enough handle to be a difficult matchup against a larger guy.

We need a PG that can run an offense that gets shooters open and slashers going downhill.

He havent had that since....awhile.

[IM4X]

My only problem with the "play Miles more with Nunge" crowd is we would clog the lane big time on offense.

You put Miles in there, you better play both Nate and Kunkel or that offense is gonna be rough

maybe that’s not a bad idea.

[94GRAD]

maybe that’s NIT a bad idea.

Freudian slip?

[IM4X]

I can envision Miles as the lone big if we try to run a 4 guard offense.

Scruggs, Johnson, Kunkle, Jones and Miles.

Plenty of shooting. The other team would be forced to matchup with a small lineup that could guard ours. Miles would have no role on offense except for put back guy. Defensively, Miles is just a help Rim protector.

I dont see any other lineup where he fits. His offensive game offers nothing and he would just clog things up if he's out there with another big.

Having Miles in there as the only big is exactly the thing I believe is causing him to struggle. I mean, he isn’t instantly going to start playing up to Nunge’s level just by putting him in there with him, but it will make it easier for him defending in the paint on defense and it could make it harder for for opponents to defend them both on offense. It is worth a shot. I mean, Steele has tried several other lineups that simple have not worked. I don’t see why he would be so stubon as not to try it.

[IM4X]

Freudian slip?

Maybe.

We may be heading for the NIT if Steele can’t prepare his players a little better in practice and get them to be more productive to in games.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'm kinda feeling like we just need a "pure" PG on the roster. I like Scruggs, but PG is not his best position. He's there out of need. I'd prefer we had a true PG and could let Paul be a 3. he could guard it, and he can shoot and has a good enough handle to be a difficult matchup against a larger guy.

We need a PG that can run an offense that gets shooters open and slashers going downhill.

He havent had that since....awhile.

Yeah I totally agree. And Dwon hasnt been able to be that guy due to his complete lack of shooting from the outside. They can play off him a bit.

I hope we can find a mid major star PG who wants to transfer up. It will be a desperate need for next year and I don't want to rely on a freshman or Dwon to all of a sudden become a major offensive threat.

Sumner would be the last guy we had like this I guess. Early Q with Tre and JP had his moments as well.

[smileyy]

FWIW, Sumner only shot .285 from 3 for his Xavier career, and Goodin .295. So yeah, it's been a while since X has had a point guard with an outside shot. They say FT% is a good proxy for potential 3P% and the Dwonhill Assassin is shooting 80% from the line this year (albeit a small sample size). Hopefully he hoists 20,000 3-pointers this summer.

[bleedXblue]

Yeah I totally agree. And Dwon hasnt been able to be that guy due to his complete lack of shooting from the outside. They can play off him a bit.

I hope we can find a mid major star PG who wants to transfer up. It will be a desperate need for next year and I don't want to rely on a freshman or Dwon to all of a sudden become a major offensive threat.

Sumner would be the last guy we had like this I guess. Early Q with Tre and JP had his moments as well.

I think Odom just needs to play and stop doubting his talent at times. He has a lot to offer.......

But, do you ever notice ALL WE EVER TALK ABOUT is a players ability to score? Dwon can do many, many things well. He's our quickest player and can get into the paint better than any other player we have on the roster. He needs to be a creator more and get our offense moving and the defense collapsing on him more to create better shots for the team. He's also a solid defender, but needs to be more of a ball hawk and create more steals and take more chances. One thing this team needs is to be able to create some instant offense and easy buckets on the other end.

I make two pretty dramatic changes

1. Our defense needs to be more aggressive and take more chances. The lock down and keep the guy in front of you mentality isn't helping us create any offense at all. We desperately need more of this. We have a deep bench. Use the damn thing.

2. We have to get Odom more minutes at PG and move Paul to the 2 and 3 more. Get him off the ball. Get Odom creating more and improving the tempo of the offense.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I think Odom just needs to play and stop doubting his talent at times. He has a lot to offer.......

But, do you ever notice ALL WE EVER TALK ABOUT is a players ability to score? Dwon can do many, many things well. He's our quickest player and can get into the paint better than any other player we have on the roster. He needs to be a creator more and get our offense moving and the defense collapsing on him more to create better shots for the team. He's also a solid defender, but needs to be more of a ball hawk and create more steals and take more chances. One thing this team needs is to be able to create some instant offense and easy buckets on the other end.

I make two pretty dramatic changes

1. Our defense needs to be more aggressive and take more chances. The lock down and keep the guy in front of you mentality isn't helping us create any offense at all. We desperately need more of this. We have a deep bench. Use the damn thing.

2. We have to get Odom more minutes at PG and move Paul to the 2 and 3 more. Get him off the ball. Get Odom creating more and improving the tempo of the offense.

I think you're on the mark re Odom. His game isn't perfect; whose is? He has shown a warrior mentality which I love. Play him more. He does a lot for this team and I also agree we, on this board, over focus on a player's scoring vs other elements of hi game. BTW, whatever happened to Steele's focus on defense? We were supposed to be a tough team defensively.