Cintas Requiring Temporary Proof of Vaccination

[STL_XUfan]

What does this mean? Assuming they don't want you to bring the actual physical test. A screenshot of a negative at home test will work?
I believe it has to be a proctored at home test. So a report is issued by the company proctoring it. Attached is a link to one of the companies that do them https://store.optum.com/shop/products/abbott-binaxNOW-COVID-19-ag-at-home-test-kit-2-pack/

[bobbiemcgee]

Home tests in Co. have been free for months;



https://covid19.colorado.gov/covid-19-testing-at-home

[GetUp5]

I believe it has to be a proctored at home test. So a report is issued by the company proctoring it. Attached is a link to one of the companies that do them https://store.optum.com/shop/products/abbott-binaxNOW-COVID-19-ag-at-home-test-kit-2-pack/

The press release just says that a home test is acceptable. Lots of gray area.

[xukeith]

Home tests in Co. have been free for months;



https://covid19.colorado.gov/covid-19-testing-at-home

Where are all the tests?

[D-West & PO-Z]

The press release just says that a home test is acceptable. Lots of gray area.

They are home tests but it has to be proctored with the official documentation. Aronoff is the same from what I understand.

Otherwise you'd what, just take a picture off google of a negative test? The press release says your name needs to be on it.

The public libraries in Cincinnati have the tests that you can proctor online. They are free but only at the libraries with drive thrus. Also they go fast, within minutes or hours of the library opening. Or at least they were a couple weeks ago.

[STL_XUfan]

The press release just says that a home test is acceptable. Lots of gray area.
Sure. You do you, and encourage the other unvaxxed to do the same. I won’t be too upset when they are all turned away at the door.

[xuphan]

They are home tests but it has to be proctored with the official documentation. Aronoff is the same from what I understand.

Otherwise you'd what, just take a picture off google of a negative test? The press release says your name needs to be on it.

The public libraries in Cincinnati have the tests that you can proctor online. They are free but only at the libraries with drive thrus. Also they go fast, within minutes or hours of the library opening. Or at least they were a couple weeks ago.

How long are these lines going to be to check this documentation? I have a feeling I am going to go through all of this trouble to get a negative test result document just for some ticket person at the Cintas to not even look at it tonight.

[STL_XUfan]

How long are these lines going to be to check this documentation? I have a feeling I am going to go through all of this trouble to get a negative test result document just for some ticket person at the Cintas to not even look at it tonight.

As long as people are aware of it, it really doesn't add any more time than the beer vendor checking your ID. The delays will be caused by people not pulling out their ID and card (or picture of the card) ahead of time and waiting until they are at the door to fumble through their wallet, or people arguing with the person checking because they didn't bring proof of vaccination.

[Xer4ever]

75 percent deaths of vaccinated people...pretty major thing to leave out when you're trying to complain about inaccurate info!

Thanks for the important clarification! I’m surprised XFactor hasn’t thanked you.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

How long are these lines going to be to check this documentation? I have a feeling I am going to go through all of this trouble to get a negative test result document just for some ticket person at the Cintas to not even look at it tonight.

There's a pretty easy solution so that you don't have to deal with getting a negative test....

[GoMuskies]

There's a pretty easy solution so that you don't have to deal with getting a negative test....

Yes, get rid of this stupid rule.

[GetUp5]

Sure. You do you, and encourage the other unvaxxed to do the same. I won’t be too upset when they are all turned away at the door.

Thanks for your positive contribution.

[GetUp5]

There's a pretty easy solution so that you don't have to deal with getting a negative test....

Yeah, but some people think differently than you (for themselves) and they've also been presented with an option for entry to the game. I was asking a genuine question about that.

[GetUp5]

They are home tests but it has to be proctored with the official documentation. Aronoff is the same from what I understand.

Otherwise you'd what, just take a picture off google of a negative test? The press release says your name needs to be on it.

The public libraries in Cincinnati have the tests that you can proctor online. They are free but only at the libraries with drive thrus. Also they go fast, within minutes or hours of the library opening. Or at least they were a couple weeks ago.

Well aware you didn't create the policy, so maybe just yelling into the clouds here...

Imagine a virus going around that vaccinated and unvaccinated people can spread. But we're only forcing unvaccinated people to show proof of a negative test.

Seriously, imagine being told that a couple years ago.

[Xville]

Well aware you didn't create the policy, so maybe just yelling into the clouds here...

Imagine a virus going around that vaccinated and unvaccinated people can spread. But we're only forcing unvaccinated people to show proof of a negative test.

Seriously, imagine being told that a couple years ago.

Assuming it is due to cya for x of those being vaxxed having a decreased chance of being hospitalized or dying.

[Xer4ever]

Would be nice if they did, but from a LEGAL standpoint I’m gonna guess that the lawyers are not going to let that happen. In a way, I’m OK with that because I don’t want to see X have to go through expensive lawsuits that often don’t fix anything and only put money into lawyers pockets. I applaud that they are being proactive and are not waiting until something does happen to enact a policy that means nothing. They are protecting the university’s rear end and it’s assets. Doesn’t mean I have to like it personally, but I certainly understand why they are doing it. If it pisses off a few people, so what? IMO that’s better than not pissing anyone off by a policy such as this and then having a class action suit possibly placed against them for negligence. It’s a business decision.

We need to view X (and any other school, especially private ones) as a business. As a business they have a responsibility to the bottom line and to protecting their assets. Enacting policies that limit their own legal risk are necessary and important. I see little difference (from that standpoint) between the new policy requiring vaccinations or negative tests at basketball games, and any other policy enacted in the name of “safety”. These rules don’t matter to people that don’t want to follow them and may not stop anything from happening, but in both cases they reduce the legal risk of lawsuits that the university might face if something does happen.

The large events that I and the club I head up put on, are motorcycle related. We require anyone attending them to sign a waiver. It won’t stop anyone from doing stupid things, but it does give us (the club and it’s officers) a certain level of legal protection. We can still be sued, but lawyers tell us (and case histories back it up) that a carefully worded waiver signed by the person suing, will protect us from judgements against us…..as long as we are careful not to be negligent in our responsibilities to host safe events. X is doing its best to put on a safe event. Personally, I feel that anyone that would right now host a large indoor event and would not require the things that X is requiring, could be considered negligent in their responsibilities. But even if they require them and don’t enforce those requirements, they could still be considered negligent. In fact, if they make them a part of the requirements to attend and therefore are acknowledging that they are necessary, and then don’t enforce it…..they could be possibly even more likely to be sued and found negligent.

Very interested to know how you would recommend Cintas enforce the mask mandate once seated?

[xuphan]

Well aware you didn't create the policy, so maybe just yelling into the clouds here...

Imagine a virus going around that vaccinated and unvaccinated people can spread. But we're only forcing unvaccinated people to show proof of a negative test.

Seriously, imagine being told that a couple years ago.

IsnÂ’t the biggest problem that the health care system canÂ’t cope with the amount of people being hospitalized by this virus? One of my friends was suppose to have surgery in late December which got rescheduled to late January which has now been rescheduled again to March because of Covid. Friends that I have in the ER say that they are having to not accept patients because they are full with Covid patients (mostly unvaccinated or people with underlying health issues).

[xavbball]

Well aware you didn't create the policy, so maybe just yelling into the clouds here...

Imagine a virus going around that vaccinated and unvaccinated people can spread. But we're only forcing unvaccinated people to show proof of a negative test.

Seriously, imagine being told that a couple years ago.

Imagine being told that the virus will kill almost 1 million people, and that only 62% of the population will get a free vaccine that prevents major disease...

[JTG]

Very interested to know how you would recommend Cintas enforce the mask mandate once seated?

A staple gun with surgical grade staples ?

[xuphan]

Imagine being told that the virus will kill almost 1 million people, and that only 62% of the population will get a free vaccine that prevents major disease...

With how politically divided this country is, I would have totally believed it.

[GetUp5]

We'll never agree, so there's no point in debating it.

Some of you watch way too much cable news.

[GetUp5]

IsnÂ’t the biggest problem that the health care system canÂ’t cope with the amount of people being hospitalized by this virus? One of my friends was suppose to have surgery in late December which got rescheduled to late January which has now been rescheduled again to March because of Covid. Friends that I have in the ER say that they are having to not accept patients because they are full with Covid patients (mostly unvaccinated or people with underlying health issues).

Good try at regurgitating something you heard on CNN, but per the official Ohio dashboard (updated 1/11/21) 16.1% of total beds are empty.

The reason they're turning away patients, if that's even true, is probably because of the ridiculous policy that resulted in nurses with natural immunity being fired.

https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/key-metrics/hospitalizations

[GetUp5]

Imagine being told that the virus will kill almost 1 million people, and that only 62% of the population will get a free vaccine that prevents major disease...

"From" or "With" Covid? Since we're allowed to talk about this now.

[xuphan]

Good try at regurgitating something you heard on CNN, but per the official Ohio dashboard (updated 1/11/21) 16.1% of total beds are empty.

The reason they're turning away patients, if that's even true, is probably because of the ridiculous policy that resulted in nurses with natural immunity being fired.

https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/key-metrics/hospitalizations

I actually heard it from Tucker Carlson on Fox News.

[chico]

We'll never agree, so there's no point in debating it.

Some of you watch way too much cable news shows.

Fixed it for you. What you said implies that they're actually reporting on the news instead of their spin on it.

[xavierj]

Any guesses on attendance tonight? Wonder how many people will be turned away? I am guessing 2,500 to 3,000 by tip and maybe 5,000 to 6,000 by halftime. Would have to leave the office by 4 to feel good about getting in by 6:30. I will just watch on TV.

[Xville]

Any guesses on attendance tonight? Wonder how many people will be turned away? I am guessing 2,500 to 3,000 by tip and maybe 5,000 to 6,000 by halftime. Would have to leave the office by 4 to feel good about getting in by 6:30. I will just watch on TV.

Guessing 9k once everyone is settled in. The vocal minority will stay away..the majority will handle the extra stipulations like adults

[XUGRAD80]

Very interested to know how you would recommend Cintas enforce the mask mandate once seated?

It’s impossible to do so. However, they could TRY to enforce it in the concourses. But who wants that hassle? I’m sure the people running the security don’t want to do it. They could have ushers say something to the people in the seats, but let’s face it, they are mostly just old men wanting to watch the games and pick up a few extra bucks. They aren’t going to want to do it either. I think that any judge worth anything will realize that it can’t be enforced in situations like this and must be on an honor system only. However, that’s not going to stop some other CUSTOMERS from trying. And that’s where the real problems are going to come from.

My PERSONAL opinion is that we would all be better off if the people that don’t want to follow the rules would just not come. But I also realize that isn’t going to be the case either. So I will go, I’ll follow the rules and in sometimes even take more precautions than dictated, and let others do their own thing.

Just got back from the Cotton Bowl. There were no rules for it. No mask mandates, no vax requirements. No testing requirements. I wore my mask when I was out of my seat, entering and leaving the stadium. So did my wife and friends. 99% of the crowd didn’t. We got home last Wednesday feeling fine. By Friday we were both congested, lots of sinus pressure and pain, runny noses and cough.

My wife and I both tested positive for Covid last Saturday. I can’t say I picked up it at the stadium for sure. We were gone for a week and could have been exposed almost anytime during the trip. Some of the people we were with are positive, others are not. It’s a crapshoot.

Knowing what I know now, I’d still go. I’d just have kept my mask on more while in bars and restaurants, etc. We can’t eliminate the risk entirely no matter what we do. These actions are designed to LIMIT the risk, no more and no less.

[xavierj]

Guessing 9k once everyone is settled in. The vocal minority will stay away..the majority will handle the extra stipulations like adults

I agree but also think some people won’t know about the requirement, some will forget to bring what they need and some will just say there is no way I will get in to see a lot of the first half, so will just stay home.

[XUBANDGRAD]

I believe it has to be a proctored at home test. So a report is issued by the company proctoring it. Attached is a link to one of the companies that do them https://store.optum.com/shop/products/abbott-binaxNOW-COVID-19-ag-at-home-test-kit-2-pack/

According to my correspondence with the ticket office any negative test suffices.

[cutterX]

I will be there scouting out some new seats for next year.

[XUBANDGRAD]

I will be there scouting out some new seats for next year.

It’ll be hard to tell where mine are since there will only be about 8,000 people there. But maybe not, you can get tix for like $17 bucks due to X’s stupidity.

[Xer4ever]

It’s impossible to do so. However, they could TRY to enforce it in the concourses. But who wants that hassle? I’m sure the people running the security don’t want to do it. They could have ushers say something to the people in the seats, but let’s face it, they are mostly just old men wanting to watch the games and pick up a few extra bucks. They aren’t going to want to do it either. I think that any judge worth anything will realize that it can’t be enforced in situations like this and must be on an honor system only. However, that’s not going to stop some other CUSTOMERS from trying. And that’s where the real problems are going to come from.

My PERSONAL opinion is that we would all be better off if the people that don’t want to follow the rules would just not come. But I also realize that isn’t going to be the case either. So I will go, I’ll follow the rules and in sometimes even take more precautions than dictated, and let others do their own thing.

Just got back from the Cotton Bowl. There were no rules for it. No mask mandates, no vax requirements. No testing requirements. I wore my mask when I was out of my seat, entering and leaving the stadium. So did my wife and friends. 99% of the crowd didn’t. We got home last Wednesday feeling fine. By Friday we were both congested, lots of sinus pressure and pain, runny noses and cough.

My wife and I both tested positive for Covid last Saturday. I can’t say I picked up it at the stadium for sure. We were gone for a week and could have been exposed almost anytime during the trip. Some of the people we were with are positive, others are not. It’s a crapshoot.

Knowing what I know now, I’d still go. I’d just have kept my mask on more while in bars and restaurants, etc. We can’t eliminate the risk entirely no matter what we do. These actions are designed to LIMIT the risk, no more and no less.

Thanks for your candid and good sense comments. Glad you and family are doing well.

[Xer4ever]

It’ll be hard to tell where mine are since there will only be about 8,000 people there. But maybe not, you can get tix for like $17 bucks due to X’s stupidity.

Hope we can replace fans like you with more fans who believe “All for One” is a way of life, and not just a slogan. Go X!

[GoMuskies]

The Cotton Bowl was fun. The woman next to me was the only person I saw in a mask the whole day, I think.

[XUBANDGRAD]

Hope we can replace fans like you with more fans who believe “All for One” is a way of life, and not just a slogan. Go X!

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[XUGRAD80]

The Cotton Bowl was fun. The woman next to me was the only person I saw in a mask the whole day, I think.

There were very few, that’s for sure.

I tried to kill any germs I came into contact with by a liberal use of alcohol. Didn’t work fully I guess, but I ain’t complaining. Next time I’ll just try a different mix. :drinks2:

[Xavier]

Guessing 9k once everyone is settled in. The vocal minority will stay away..the majority will handle the extra stipulations like adults

Yep. It will feel packed. Midway through first half most will look around and realize it isnt much different from previous games if at all.

[STL_XUfan]

According to my correspondence with the ticket office any negative test suffices.
Certainly interesting. Not sure how can you show it was taken in the past 72 hours? Or you just didn't google a picture of a negative test? Then again if anyone wants to pay me $50 for a picture of my latest negative rapid, I can make this happen (just going to need you to confirm you are not within 5 rows of my seats).

[D-West & PO-Z]

Here is what the release says:

"All guests age 12 and older entering the Cintas Center will be required to show proof of vaccination against COVID-19 or a negative test result within 72 hours of entry. Fans 18 and older should be prepared to show a picture ID to verify ownership of the vaccination card or negative test."

I think anyone who goes with a picture of some random negative test and not a picture of actual documentation of the test like those certain home kits provide is going to be in for a rude awakening. I could be wrong and maybe whoever is checking won't give a crap but then that would go to prove many's point this is all just for show.

I think the vast majority will have vaccine cards (or pictures of them) they are showing anyway but I'll be curious to hear how it goes, since I wont be able to attend now.

[GetUp5]

Here is what the release says:

"All guests age 12 and older entering the Cintas Center will be required to show proof of vaccination against COVID-19 or a negative test result within 72 hours of entry. Fans 18 and older should be prepared to show a picture ID to verify ownership of the vaccination card or negative test."

I think anyone who goes with a picture of some random negative test and not a picture of actual documentation of the test like those certain home kits provide is going to be in for a rude awakening. I could be wrong and maybe whoever is checking won't give a crap but then that would go to prove many's point this is all just for show.

I think the vast majority will have vaccine cards (or pictures of them) they are showing anyway but I'll be curious to hear how it goes, since I wont be able to attend now.

Have spoken to 2 members of the ticketing staff. A picture of an at home test is good enough for entry.

[Final4]

Why would anyone take the time to drive over, park, walk to door and then present something inconsistent with the announced policy and risk the chance of being admitted?

[XUBANDGRAD]

Certainly interesting. Not sure how can you show it was taken in the past 72 hours? Or you just didn't google a picture of a negative test? Then again if anyone wants to pay me $50 for a picture of my latest negative rapid, I can make this happen (just going to need you to confirm you are not within 5 rows of my seats).

Are you realizing this is fucking stupid yet?

[GetUp5]

Why would anyone take the time to drive over, park, walk to door and then present something inconsistent with the announced policy and risk the chance of being admitted?

What about showing a picture of a negative test is inconsistent with the statement made by Xavier?

[Xville]

Are you realizing this is fucking stupid yet?

What I don’t understand is someone that has such a problem with a temporary policy (that is cya) to the point they are pulling donations and their seats and disagree with the ideology of the school apparently, yet still wants to post and lurk on that school’s message board.

[xuphan]

What I don’t understand is someone that has such a problem with a temporary policy (that is cya) to the point they are pulling donations and their seats and disagree with the ideology of the school apparently, yet still wants to post and lurk on that school’s message board.

Welcome to Merica

[XUBANDGRAD]

What I don’t understand is someone that has such a problem with a temporary policy (that is cya) to the point they are pulling donations and their seats and disagree with the ideology of the school apparently, yet still wants to post and lurk on that school’s message board.

Can do what I want, thanks.

[Xville]

Can do what I want, thanks.

Well aware of that, just makes zero sense. If you have such a problem with Xavier, then why be here. Genuinely curious…maybe you’re conflicted.

[STL_XUfan]

Are you realizing this is fucking stupid yet?

Yep. It should match the school’s policy and remove the exemption for a negative test and be vaccinated only. But I don’t make the rules.

[GoMuskies]

Yep. It should match the school’s policy and remove the exemption for a negative test and be vaccinated only. But I don’t make the rules.

Honestly, if anything it should be the opposite for Omicron.

[STL_XUfan]

Just went through the line. Very smooth, just a new barrier out in front where they check your id before you move towards security.

[GoMuskies]

Just went through the line. Very smooth, just a new barrier out in front where they check your id before you move towards security.

Good God, man, I hope you can still stand up by the time the game tips off! That's a lot of beer drinking time you've allotted yourself!

[STL_XUfan]

Good God, man, I hope you can still stand up by the time the game tips off! That's a lot of beer drinking time you've allotted yourself!
Deal with the SO she buys the beer and I get as much as I want pregame before it gets crowded, but have to wear my kn95 in my seats. I am taking advantage of this deal.

[xavierj]

What I don’t understand is someone that has such a problem with a temporary policy (that is cya) to the point they are pulling donations and their seats and disagree with the ideology of the school apparently, yet still wants to post and lurk on that school’s message board.

The only issue I have is that Xavier put out policy for optics. They know it will not be fully enforced, that a negative test doesn’t mean anything, that people may have COVID and still be at the game, people will generally not wear masks and that it won’t stop the spread. You do agree with that right? But I wouldn’t pull any donations from Xavier. They don’t make this crap up, they are just playing the game.

[XUBANDGRAD]

The only issue I have is that Xavier put out policy for optics. They know it will not be fully enforced, that a negative test doesn’t mean anything, that people may have COVID and still be at the game, people will generally not wear masks and that it won’t stop the spread. You do agree with that right? But I wouldn’t pull any donations from Xavier. They don’t make this crap up, they are just playing the game.

Look at butlers response. That’s how it should have been handled.

[GetUp5]

Yep. It should match the school’s policy and remove the exemption for a negative test and be vaccinated only. But I don’t make the rules.

You do realize how stupid that is, right? So people who are CONFIRMED negative can't come in, but the people who took the vaccine that doesn't reduce transmission and might be positive can come in.

LOL what are we doing here!!??

[Xville]

The only issue I have is that Xavier put out policy for optics. They know it will not be fully enforced, that a negative test doesn’t mean anything, that people may have COVID and still be at the game, people will generally not wear masks and that it won’t stop the spread. You do agree with that right? But I wouldn’t pull any donations from Xavier. They don’t make this crap up, they are just playing the game.

It’s a cya. Why do you have issue with that especially for a school that you are a fan of?

[Xville]

You do realize how stupid that is, right? So people who are CONFIRMED negative can't come in, but the people who took the vaccine that doesn't reduce transmission and might be positive can come in.

LOL what are we doing here!!??

Again it’s a cya. I don’t understand why this is so difficult for people to understand.

[xuphan]

Just went through the line. Very smooth, just a new barrier out in front where they check your id before you move towards security.

Just made it into the TAS. The line went pretty smoothly except for a couple of fans who were angry about being turned away for not having the correct Documentation. Felt bad for the ushers who had to put up with them being rude. The energy inside the Cintas is electric. Let’s go X!

[xavierj]

It’s a cya. Why do you have issue with that especially for a school that you are a fan of?

I don’t have issue with it. Do what you have to do. But t’s for optics which at the end of the day is really kind of dumb. But that’s the world we live in. I have worked the entire time over the last few years. Have had COVID. Have been vaccinated and still work. I know that I will be exposed and will again get COVID. Really nothing I can do about that. I just hope we don’t have to do this for ever, it’s getting old.

[bjf123]

Just went through the line. Very smooth, just a new barrier out in front where they check your id before you move towards security.

Yep. Pretty painless. There was one guy on the phone with his mother asking her to take a photo of his vac card and text it to him. Oops!


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[xavierj]

Just made it into the TAS. The line went pretty smoothly except for a couple of fans who were angry about being turned away for not having the correct Documentation. Felt bad for the ushers who had to put up with them being rude. The energy inside the Cintas is electric. Let’s go X!

I call BS. No way you really go to Xavier games.

[xuphan]

I call BS. No way you really go to Xavier games.

I don’t typically have the opportunity to go to them. My wife surprised me with tickets for Christmas. Are you here XavierJ?

[xavierj]

I don’t typically have the opportunity to go to them. My wife surprised me with tickets for Christmas. Are you here XavierJ?

No. If it wasn’t a 6:30 game I would have but didn’t want to risk missing any of the game so will watch on TV.

[drudy23]

Not to beat a dead horse, but...

A guy looked at my vax card for 0.4 seconds in the dark, didn't check my ID at all, I didn't wear a mask at entry, and I didn't wear a mask the entire game.

Again, wtf is the point?

[xu82]

Not to beat a dead horse, but...

A guy looked at my vax card for 0.4 seconds in the dark, didn't check my ID at all, I didn't wear a mask at entry, and I didn't wear a mask the entire game.

Again, wtf is the point?

Appearances, of course. Policy, and otherwise.

[GetUp5]

Again it’s a cya. I don’t understand why this is so difficult for people to understand.

Not sure why you think I don't understand it. I understand it. Just saying it makes no sense.

But it's actually not even a CYA thing. They can't get sued by someone. You can't prove where you got Covid. It's purely optics and it doesn't make any damn sense.

[Xville]

Not sure why you think I don't understand it. I understand it. Just saying it makes no sense.

But it's actually not even a CYA thing. They can't get sued by someone. You can't prove where you got Covid. It's purely optics and it doesn't make any damn sense.

Certainly can get sued by someone.

[xu82]

Certainly can get sued by someone.

In some places you may be sued, but I think it’s close to ZERO percent chance you can lose. You can’t prove where you got it, and you went there of your own free will. Even idiotic Georgia has a statute that you have no legal claim, so be aware and don’t even try. Signs outside most office and retail establishments.

[Muskie in dayton]

Certainly can get sued by someone.
There have been over 64 million Covid-19 cases in the US, and this would be the first time for that. I’m not buying it.

[Xville]

There have been over 64 million Covid-19 cases in the US, and this would be the first time for that. I’m not buying it.

https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/pages/coronavirus-litigation-summer-2021.aspx

[Xville]

In some places you may be sued, but I think it’s close to ZERO percent chance you can lose. You can’t prove where you got it, and you went there of your own free will. Even idiotic Georgia has a statute that you have no legal claim, so be aware and don’t even try. Signs outside most office and retail establishments.

Uh what about all the employees? Cintas isn’t in Georgia last time I checked.

[xu82]

Uh what about all the employees? Cintas isn’t in Georgia last time I checked.

So what? Nice wise ass answer. Please cite all the successful lawsuits. Or even attempted lawsuits. Nobody can be safe, everybody will probably get it at some point (at least once) and the employees may have gotten it at the grocery store or the dog park. Get over yourself. The employees have the option of working, or not, at Cintas. Maybe they can work inside a bubble somewhere else.

[drudy23]

So what? Nice wise ass answer. Please cite all the successful lawsuits. Or even attempted lawsuits. Nobody can be safe, everybody will probably get it at some point (at least once) and the employees may have gotten it at the grocery store or the dog park. Get over yourself. The employees have the option of working, or not, at Cintas. Maybe they can work inside a bubble somewhere else.

Exactly - what's the point of controlling contacts at Cintas when prior to Cintas and after Cintas there is ZERO control over who people are in contact with. It's an impossible situation to control - why even try to? It's beyond stupid. The "rules" of the last two years have been the most bizarre set of circumstances that have ever existed in the history of humanity. Anyone that actually listens and complies is a straight up moron.

People are trying to control a completely uncontrollable situation.

[Xville]

So what? Nice wise ass answer. Please cite all the successful lawsuits. Or even attempted lawsuits. Nobody can be safe, everybody will probably get it at some point (at least once) and the employees may have gotten it at the grocery store or the dog park. Get over yourself. The employees have the option of working, or not, at Cintas. Maybe they can work inside a bubble somewhere else.

Check out the link I posted, and that was about 5 months ago, it’s only increased. Get over myself? This is real life where people sue for anything and everything. If you haven’t noticed we live in an ever increasing litigious society and employers have to protect themselves. Some states have enacted policies to make sure that employers are protected, others haven’t.

[xu82]

Check out the link I posted, and that was about 5 months ago, it’s only increased. Get over myself? This is real life where people sue for anything and everything. If you haven’t noticed we live in an ever increasing litigious society and employers have to protect themselves. Some states have enacted policies to make sure that employers are protected, others haven’t.

I will not waste my time on yet another link on this topic, but there is zero chance of anybody winning a lawsuit. Period. It’s like saying YOU are the guy who threw that raindrop on me in a thunderstorm. It’s stupid to even consider in terms of lawsuits.

[Xville]

I will not waste my time on yet another link on this topic, but there is zero chance of anybody winning a lawsuit. Period. It’s like saying YOU are the guy who threw that raindrop on me in a thunderstorm. It’s stupid to even consider in terms of lawsuits.

You told me to cite the attempted lawsuits and then I do and you say you aren’t going to waste your time with the link. Ok

[xuphan]

You told me to cite the attempted lawsuits and then I do and you say you aren’t going to waste your time with the link. Ok

Ya, people won’t read link they don’t agree with. They are to stubborn. However, these protocols are a joke unless they are enforced. There were lots of people not wearing masks at the game last night. If Xavier isn’t going to enforce the mask mandate, what is the point of having one?

[American X]

Steele should have dropped $3,000 on the Cintas staff to deny entry to Villanova.

[XUGRAD80]

Ya, people won’t read link they don’t agree with. They are to stubborn. However, these protocols are a joke unless they are enforced. There were lots of people not wearing masks at the game last night. If Xavier isn’t going to enforce the mask mandate, what is the point of having one?


There are a lot of protocols in our lives that are a joke. That never stopped them from being enacted. There are a lot of mandates that aren’t enforced. Yet they still exist. You want 100% enforcement of ANY protocol, mandate, rule, regulation, law, etc? You’re not going to find it.

[bigdiggins]

The process was efficient last night, I'll give them that. I don't know that it could have been any less thorough. She had no idea if I showed her my vaccination card or a library card from 1980.

And get the stupid barriers out of the way before the game ends.

[cutterX]

Great crowd last night! Scattering of empty seats but no different than most games and at least in the second half it had a shootout atmosphere. I know of at least 4 empty seats because of Covid+.

Enforced or not it was good to see the new protocols didn't hinder attendance.

[coasterville95]

I agree, get those fences out of the plaza before dumping 10,000 out into it. They have plenty of time to reset them for the next game

Also there is no way she actually saw my vac card - I had it up on my phone screen but she barely even glanced at it, much less compare names to an ID.

Masks went about as well as in November.


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[paulxu]

This thread has almost twice the postings as the game thread...which can't be a good thing.

[bjf123]

I agree, get those fences out of the plaza before dumping 10,000 out into it. They have plenty of time to reset them for the next game

Also there is no way she actually saw my vac card - I had it up on my phone screen but she barely even glanced at it, much less compare names to an ID.

Masks went about as well as in November.


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I thought more people were keeping their masks on. Not sure what percent, but it was much more than earlier in the season.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

I thought more people were keeping their masks on. Not sure what percent, but it was much more than earlier in the season.


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Yeah I could tell that on TV actually. Still not even close to everyone but definitely seemed like more people.

[xavierj]

Yeah I could tell that on TV actually. Still not even close to everyone but definitely seemed like more people.

Not really. Looking at pictures from last night on Instagram, hardly seemed like anyone was really wearing them. Maybe more at the beginning but not many as the game wore on.

[UCGRAD4X]

My sister kept her mask on the whole game. She doesn't drink at the games. I didn't ask her why...to either.

[American X]

My sister kept her mask on the whole game. She doesn't drink at the games. I didn't ask her why...to either.

Is she ugly?

[UCGRAD4X]

Is she ugly?

I couldn't tell

[GoMuskies]

It's over!!!!!

[drudy23]

It's over!!!!!

Can we all agree it was the dumbest and most unnecessary thing of all time?

Like seriously, wtf was the point of that?

[GoMuskies]

I'm going to blame the rule for the Providence loss.

[MADXSTER]

The masks are still in place but the Proof of Vac is over.

[xukeith]

Has any X admin been brave enough to say why proof of vaccine in no longer needed?

[drudy23]

Has any X admin been brave enough to say why proof of vaccine in no longer needed?

Because nothing was being proven maybe.

The first time, the person glanced at my vax card for 0.2 seconds and waved me in. No ID check.

The second time, the person glanced at my vax card and waved me in. Then said, "oh wait, you need an ID to get in too" - then glanced at my ID for 0.2 seconds. Every ounce of my body wanted to stop and explain that the vax card needed to match the ID - and it would require you to look at both, but I didn't have the heart. This person legit had no idea of the connection between the name on the vax card and the name on the ID.

He literally thought an ID was required to enter (like a bar). It was the most non-sensical protocol in this whole mess, and that's saying something.

"Proof" of vaccine - that's hilarious.

[noteggs]

Because nothing was being proven maybe.

The first time, the person glanced at my vax card for 0.2 seconds and waved me in. No ID check.

The second time, the person glanced at my vax card and waved me in. Then said, "oh wait, you need an ID to get in too" - then glanced at my ID for 0.2 seconds. Every ounce of my body wanted to stop and explain that the vax card needed to match the ID - and it would require you to look at both, but I didn't have the heart. This person legit had no idea of the connection between the name on the vax card and the name on the ID.

He literally thought an ID was required to enter (like a bar). It was the most non-sensical protocol in this whole mess, and that's saying something.

"Proof" of vaccine - that's hilarious.

Guess it really depends on what time you get there and the mass of people coming in. I usually get down there early, but boy do they study both…

Kinda like the metal detector when they’re trying to move a mass of people the rules get rather laxed. As we all know they are trying to keep people moving and happy.

[drudy23]

Guess it really depends on what time you get there and the mass of people coming in. I usually get down there early, but boy do they study both…

Kinda like the metal detector when they’re trying to move a mass of people the rules get rather laxed. As we all know they are trying to keep people moving and happy.

Well this was about 30 minutes before tip on both occasions and not much of a line to enter.

Frankly, I don't care. I just hate stupid rules and the people that are so serious about implementing them knowing there's no point to them. It just irks me that decisions are made knowing they are stupid decisions from the beginning.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Guess it really depends on what time you get there and the mass of people coming in. I usually get down there early, but boy do they study both…

Kinda like the metal detector when they’re trying to move a mass of people the rules get rather laxed. As we all know they are trying to keep people moving and happy.

When I went to the Providence game, I walking past the side east entrance on my way to the front entrance. The lady at the side entrance was yelling at everyone approaching to have their Vax card and ID's out, she seemed like she would be checking closely. The person at the front when I got there barely looked at my pic of my card and did not ask for ID.

My guess is it all depended on the person you got.

[Xavier]

I think everyone expected it to work this way. Hardly an issue. I actually think there was more mask wearing than before but overall it was hardly a different experience. With all that said- it’s hilarious people were “never going back” and taking X out of the will. Over what was maybe a 30 second inconvenience, if that.

[bleedXblue]

complete joke and waste of time I guess all is better now and COVID is gone?

[Xville]

I think everyone expected it to work this way. Hardly an issue. I actually think there was more mask wearing than before but overall it was hardly a different experience. With all that said- it’s hilarious people were “never going back” and taking X out of the will. Over what was maybe a 30 second inconvenience, if that.

Completely my feeling on it, and lasted about as long as most of us thought it would.

[MuskiePimp23]

I think everyone expected it to work this way. Hardly an issue. I actually think there was more mask wearing than before but overall it was hardly a different experience. With all that said- it’s hilarious people were “never going back” and taking X out of the will. Over what was maybe a 30 second inconvenience, if that.

Serious question though. How could you understand another person's thought process? Perhaps some people based on principles don't like BS rules and how Xavier has become. I know several alums who are completely done with Xavier over the handling of many things over the past couple years. Becoming the first arena in Ohio to require vax cards or negative test in Ohio when the State does not require it is extreme. Additionally if you were not vaccinated at certain points I have had friends and work colleagues have to wait hours or schedule appointments days out to get tests. It was not easy in January to get an easy test. That's a bit more than a 30 second inconvenience. Before dismissing another viewpoint, maybe try understanding it first.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Serious question though. How could you understand another person's thought process? Perhaps some people based on principles don't like BS rules and how Xavier has become. I know several alums who are completely done with Xavier over the handling of many things over the past couple years. Becoming the first arena in Ohio to require vax cards or negative test in Ohio when the State does not require it is extreme. Additionally if you were not vaccinated at certain points I have had friends and work colleagues have to wait hours or schedule appointments days out to get tests. It was not easy in January to get an easy test. That's a bit more than a 30 second inconvenience. Before dismissing another viewpoint, maybe try understanding it first.

Principles people are the most fun at parties.


BTW, OSU can't by law require covid vaccine cards for entry, however, they have completely shut down concessions at games. I would say that is more extreme.

[MuskiePimp23]

Principles people are the most fun at parties.


BTW, OSU can't by law require covid vaccine cards for entry, however, they have completely shut down concessions at games. I would say that is more extreme.

Dismissing my point by trying to knock down principle people. I know people who stand by their principles and beliefs and are great fun at parties. Having the ability to be a leader and stand by what you believe regardless of consequences is a great quality that many possess. These types of people are also usually very caring and loyal. Stereotyping them into one category about not being fun at parties is dismissive and ignorant.

Did OSU close all the concession stands or was it some of them similar to how Great American Ballpark will close some in upper level when attendance is low. OSU also has low attendance for some games and only sells out for the bigger games usually.

[markchal]

Never underestimate people's ability to be aggrieved by literally anything these days

[SM#24]

Dismissing my point by trying to knock down principle people. I know people who stand by their principles and beliefs and are great fun at parties. Having the ability to be a leader and stand by what you believe regardless of consequences is a great quality that many possess. These types of people are also usually very caring and loyal. Stereotyping them into one category about not being fun at parties is dismissive and ignorant.

Did OSU close all the concession stands or was it some of them similar to how Great American Ballpark will close some in upper level when attendance is low. OSU also has low attendance for some games and only sells out for the bigger games usually.

I believe they like a couple others as well shut down concessions completely except for bottled water in order to enforce the mask wearing.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Never underestimate people's ability to be aggrieved by literally anything these days

So true.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I believe they like a couple others as well shut down concessions completely except for bottled water in order to enforce the mask wearing.

Correct

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dismissing my point by trying to knock down principle people. I know people who stand by their principles and beliefs and are great fun at parties. Having the ability to be a leader and stand by what you believe regardless of consequences is a great quality that many possess. These types of people are also usually very caring and loyal. Stereotyping them into one category about not being fun at parties is dismissive and ignorant.



It was a joke.......lighten up Francis.

I mean but honestly, people who decided to never attend another Xavier basketball game or give money to Xavier ever again, bc they had to show a vax card or negative test (for 1 month), I put them right up there with the Gandhi's of the world.

[Strange Brew]

It was a joke.......lighten up Francis.

I mean but honestly, people who decided to never attend another Xavier basketball game or give money to Xavier ever again, bc they had to show a vax card or negative test (for 1 month), I put them right up there with the Gandhi's of the world.

Well, the "Gandhi's", truckers, parents are ending this nonsense. Where do fit into the equation?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Well, the "Gandhi's", truckers, parents are ending this nonsense. Where do fit into the equation?

I don't understand the question.

[Strange Brew]

I don't understand the question.

Pretty simple. Where do you stand POZ? Do you think the mandates, papers, masks, ID checks still make sense?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Pretty simple. Where do you stand POZ? Do you think the mandates, papers, masks, ID checks still make sense?

Ah, you forgot the "you". Wasn't sure you were asking about me or something else.

I think masks make sense, but only if you actually enforce them.

I don't think vaccination status matters like it maybe once did (in terms of if the goal for a business is to stop the spread), especially for omicron. Testing would make sense is some situations but only in the moment which is almost impossible to do. Who gives a shit if 3 days ago you were negative, its useless.

I fully support the right for a private business to make whatever choices about it they want though. If I don't agree I wont go as is my right.

[Xville]

Did I think the rules were stupid? Yeah but a private business can do whatever they want and I absolutely believe that a big part of their intention was cya. I just find it odd that some (some here that admitted) they took a school out of their will and will stop purchasing tickets all because of something that everyone is trying to do what is best and for something that occurred for less than a month.

I just compare it to not supporting a musical artist or watch a movie or a restaurant because of their politics or one single issue or aspect of their lives. I’d rarely ever be able to watch a tv show, movie or go to a restaurant if that is the way I felt because most of Hollywood’s views on anything I rarely agree with lol.

[Strange Brew]

Ah, you forgot the "you". Wasn't sure you were asking about me or something else.

I think masks make sense, but only if you actually enforce them.

I don't think vaccination status matters like it maybe once did (in terms of if the goal for a business is to stop the spread), especially for omicron. Testing would make sense is some situations but only in the moment which is almost impossible to do. Who gives a shit if 3 days ago you were negative, its useless.

I fully support the right for a private business to make whatever choices about it they want though. If I don't agree I wont go as is my right.

Agree, except on the masks but I don’t care if someone wants to wear one.

[murray87]

I hope the mask theater ends someday soon but if people feel better wearing them, have at it. Just don't mandate useless actions. Here's one doctor's opinion:

Dr. Chad Roy, who specializes in airborne infectious diseases and is a professor of microbiology and immunology at Tulane University School of Medicine, has told the Washington Examiner that:

“cloth and surgical masks do absolutely nothing for protection from ambient virus.”
“all this song and dance of wearing cloth masks with some presumption that you’re being protected from ambient virus is completely and positively 100% counter to how masks and respirators work.”

[boozehound]

Ah, you forgot the "you". Wasn't sure you were asking about me or something else.

I think masks make sense, but only if you actually enforce them.

I don't think vaccination status matters like it maybe once did (in terms of if the goal for a business is to stop the spread), especially for omicron. Testing would make sense is some situations but only in the moment which is almost impossible to do. Who gives a shit if 3 days ago you were negative, its useless.

I fully support the right for a private business to make whatever choices about it they want though. If I don't agree I wont go as is my right.

This is where I stand. I think Vaccine mandates in most instances really start to fall apart when they don't keep people from getting infected / spreading the virus. Yes, you could argue that high vaccination rates reduce the burden on our medical system, but I just don't think you are ever going to win that battle. The people that haven't been vaccinated at this point are probably never going to do it. They will lose their jobs first.

I'm not sure on masks, but tend to think that the current data points to limited efficacy. I don't mind wearing them if asked to, but I'm fine taking it off or if others don't want to wear them.

[paulxu]

I hope the mask theater ends someday soon but if people feel better wearing them, have at it. Just don't mandate useless actions. Here's one doctor's opinion:

Dr. Chad Roy, who specializes in airborne infectious diseases and is a professor of microbiology and immunology at Tulane University School of Medicine, has told the Washington Examiner that:

“cloth and surgical masks do absolutely nothing for protection from ambient virus.”
“all this song and dance of wearing cloth masks with some presumption that you’re being protected from ambient virus is completely and positively 100% counter to how masks and respirators work.”

Here's the link to the article quoted above. If you read the article, while it notes cloth masks particularly are a problem for filtering the air, it goes to quite some length to explain how effective N95 masks are on doing exactly that.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/cloth-masks-newly-criticized-in-omicron-messaging-shift-do-absolutely-nothing

[noteggs]

This is where I stand. I think Vaccine mandates in most instances really start to fall apart when they don't keep people from getting infected / spreading the virus. Yes, you could argue that high vaccination rates reduce the burden on our medical system, but I just don't think you are ever going to win that battle. The people that haven't been vaccinated at this point are probably never going to do it. They will lose their jobs first.

I'm not sure on masks, but tend to think that the current data points to limited efficacy. I don't mind wearing them if asked to, but I'm fine taking it off or if others don't want to wear them.

Agree with most and reasonable.

What I find ironic - if you made a similar comment on Facebook or Twitter 6 months ago, you could’ve been banned for false info.

[Strange Brew]

Here's the link to the article quoted above. If you read the article, while it notes cloth masks particularly are a problem for filtering the air, it goes to quite some length to explain how effective N95 masks are on doing exactly that.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/cloth-masks-newly-criticized-in-omicron-messaging-shift-do-absolutely-nothing

Does it include a cost/benefit analysis of N95 masks?

[xuphan]

Does it include a cost/benefit analysis of N95 masks?

Waiting for our medical expert on Xavierhoops XU_Lou to chime in.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Waiting for our medical expert on Xavierhoops XU_Lou to chime in.

Everything about COVID has been settled, he's done posting.

[boozehound]

Agree with most and reasonable.

What I find ironic - if you made a similar comment on Facebook or Twitter 6 months ago, you could’ve been banned for false info.

I can't speak to that, but things certainly have changed, which means that information and guidance changed. I tend to believe that the initial data on masks suggested that they were at least reasonably effective (no, I don't want to re-hash that debate). The new data with Omicron seems to suggest that masks are no longer effective. Properly fitted N95's probably work well, but I don't really think that's a practical option for most people in most situations so I don't think it's worth discussing as a widespread solution.

So I think the point we are kind of at is that you can get a vaccine if you want. Wear a mask if you want. If you really want to protect yourself, or are particularly at risk, wear an N95. It doesn't sound like any of the broad 'greater good' arguments for masks or vaccines are holding up to the Omicron variant particularly well.

Maybe that means we can all stop arguing about it (at least for a little while).

[Xer4ever]

Here's the link to the article quoted above. If you read the article, while it notes cloth masks particularly are a problem for filtering the air, it goes to quite some length to explain how effective N95 masks are on doing exactly that.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/cloth-masks-newly-criticized-in-omicron-messaging-shift-do-absolutely-nothing

Wait, are you saying someone on this board posted alternative facts by not telling the rest of the story? Shocking! For the life of me(pun intended), I’ll never understand why anyone isn’t willing to wear a surgical or N95 mask for a couple of hours if for no other reason than that article states “as a courtesy to others”. From day one, I’ve worn a mask when indoors. My feeling was it was the very least I could do, not for myself, but for others. Kind of like all for one and one for all. I wish X would have closed concessions like osu, but the economic reality is they need the income from concessions.