Big East Reschedule Policy

[EastCoastXman]

Jerry Carino
Asbury Park Press


Once COVID’s highly contagious omicron variant ripped through the college basketball landscape, changing their game cancellation policy from forfeits to postponements was the easy part for Big East Conference members.
Now comes the jigsaw puzzle of rescheduling.
“It’s going to be a big challenge,” said Seton Hall athletics director Bryan Felt, whose men’s basketball team had its first two league games called off.
Some guardrails will guide the process:
► The conference has full authority to reschedule, which is a change from last season, when schools took the lead while working with the league.
► Teams cannot play three games in a week in back-to-back weeks. If there is a three-game week, the following week maxes out at two games.
► Teams cannot play games on back-to-back days.
“We didn’t want to put too many provisions in to make it harder to reschedule, but at the same time you have to protect student-athletes from playing too many games in a week,” Felt explained. “That was everyone’s concern. We don’t want to
Giving the conference full authority to reschedule was important after the 2020-21 experience, when gamesmanship played a role in determining which postponed contests eventually got played. That doesn’t mean the jigsaw puzzle gets easier, though.
“As a coach when you look at a schedule, what do you care about: How much rest do we have and how much rest is the other team on?” Felt said. “That’s going to go out the window a little bit. You’re going to have to reschedule some programs that are coming off four days’ rest against others that have one day’s rest. That’s the nature of the beast with this kind of thing. You’re going to have some inequalities.”
Arena availability will be low on the list factors. Most Big East schools play at least some home games in arenas they do not own. Concerts and other events dot the calendars. Some schools, like Seton Hall, are secondary tenants to professional sports teams.
“We all said that can’t be a big factor,” Felt said. “You would never be able to reschedule some of these games. It might not happen, but you may have to bite the bullet and play in your campus arena in some cases.”
The Big East’s television partner, Fox Sports, will have a significant hand in the process.
“We want the games televised,” Felt said.
► The pecking order for rescheduling is chronological.
“They’re going to reschedule games in the order or cancellation, so we’re up first with St. John’s,” Felt said. “We should be informed about that pretty soon.”
The likelihood of Seton Hall making up St. John’s at home and DePaul on the road, Felt said, “is good.” Beyond that, all bets are off.
“There are going to be games, whether it’s us or other schools, where there’s no window for it to be rescheduled,” Felt said.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Jerry Carino
Asbury Park Press


Once COVID’s highly contagious omicron variant ripped through the college basketball landscape, changing their game cancellation policy from forfeits to postponements was the easy part for Big East Conference members.
Now comes the jigsaw puzzle of rescheduling.
“It’s going to be a big challenge,” said Seton Hall athletics director Bryan Felt, whose men’s basketball team had its first two league games called off.
Some guardrails will guide the process:
► The conference has full authority to reschedule, which is a change from last season, when schools took the lead while working with the league.
► Teams cannot play three games in a week in back-to-back weeks. If there is a three-game week, the following week maxes out at two games.
► Teams cannot play games on back-to-back days.
“We didn’t want to put too many provisions in to make it harder to reschedule, but at the same time you have to protect student-athletes from playing too many games in a week,” Felt explained. “That was everyone’s concern. We don’t want to
Giving the conference full authority to reschedule was important after the 2020-21 experience, when gamesmanship played a role in determining which postponed contests eventually got played. That doesn’t mean the jigsaw puzzle gets easier, though.
“As a coach when you look at a schedule, what do you care about: How much rest do we have and how much rest is the other team on?” Felt said. “That’s going to go out the window a little bit. You’re going to have to reschedule some programs that are coming off four days’ rest against others that have one day’s rest. That’s the nature of the beast with this kind of thing. You’re going to have some inequalities.”
Arena availability will be low on the list factors. Most Big East schools play at least some home games in arenas they do not own. Concerts and other events dot the calendars. Some schools, like Seton Hall, are secondary tenants to professional sports teams.
“We all said that can’t be a big factor,” Felt said. “You would never be able to reschedule some of these games. It might not happen, but you may have to bite the bullet and play in your campus arena in some cases.”
The Big East’s television partner, Fox Sports, will have a significant hand in the process.
“We want the games televised,” Felt said.
► The pecking order for rescheduling is chronological.
“They’re going to reschedule games in the order or cancellation, so we’re up first with St. John’s,” Felt said. “We should be informed about that pretty soon.”
The likelihood of Seton Hall making up St. John’s at home and DePaul on the road, Felt said, “is good.” Beyond that, all bets are off.
“There are going to be games, whether it’s us or other schools, where there’s no window for it to be rescheduled,” Felt said.

Great info, thanks!

[XUBison]

Yes, thanks for providing this. I’m glad the conference has authority to reschedule games. I think there still needs to be some forfeiture rules in place. Each school is going to manage their covid response differently, and the BE office needs that tool at their disposal to prevent those schools with strict responses from tanking the seasons of those schools that actually want to play.

[xukeith]

There should be some incentive to play a basketball game and to avoid canceling a game.

[paulxu]

If we get our next 2 games in (Butler and Nova) from that point forward it seems like every game on our schedule is either 3 or 4 days apart.
The one exception seem to be the 2 games on Feb 9th and 16th

That would seem to leave only one place to reschedule one of the two missed games (so far), unless they did major rework of a number of games.

[EastCoastXman]

The league should move the Butler game at Cintas to this weekend (1/1). This was scheduled for 2/2. Easy to move because travel not an issue. That opens the week in February. Have Uconn come to Cintas on 2/3. Meets the league requirements. The figure out Georgetown.

[atljar]

This is going great!
https://nypost.com/2021/12/29/seton-hall-falls-to-providence-in-first-game-in-17-days/

TLDR: Whiny Willard @ Seton Hall already complaining about the rescheduled games. I wish everyone would just STFU and play basketball. Life isnt fair

[D-West & PO-Z]

If we get our next 2 games in (Butler and Nova) from that point forward it seems like every game on our schedule is either 3 or 4 days apart.
The one exception seem to be the 2 games on Feb 9th and 16th

That would seem to leave only one place to reschedule one of the two missed games (so far), unless they did major rework of a number of games.

The BE is going to have to get us a game early next week I think.

However, the only rule is no back to back's and not more than 3 games in a week. So a week of Tues, Thur, Sat games are entirely plausible moving forward.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is going great!
https://nypost.com/2021/12/29/seton-hall-falls-to-providence-in-first-game-in-17-days/

TLDR: Whiny Willard @ Seton Hall already complaining about the rescheduled games. I wish everyone would just STFU and play basketball. Life isnt fair

College coaches are all big babies. I get his point of view but the alternative is to not play the games. Their schools all agreed to rescheduling policies. It will probably come to bite us at X as well but again, I think most would rather see the games played than not.

[paulxu]

However, the only rule is no back to back's and not more than 3 games in a week. So a week of Tues, Thur, Sat games are entirely plausible moving forward.

That makes sense in a vacuum. But every re-schedule like that would have a domino affect on other teams.
Oh well...I just hope we have a good season.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That makes sense in a vacuum. But every re-schedule like that would have a domino affect on other teams.
Oh well...I just hope we have a good season.

Yeah obviously it has to work for all teams. It isn't a job I would want, definitely complicated. However, I will be very surprised if at least some teams don't have a 3 game week at some point in the season.

[JTG]

So according to Dana & Victory, Val gave X permission to look for a D1 opponent next week, rather than make UConn or Georgetown do something. What did we do to piss her off ? I predicted the 3 BE newbies would get screwed in the rescheduling, but evidently it's just us.

[whopper]

I am dying to see some real basketball talk these days..I hardly noticed Villanova- Seton Hall or Depaul Providence..dont even know what Creighton is doing.

[Masterofreality]

This is BS.
I’m sick of it. Get your ass vaxxed and play. If you can’t and enough guys can’t you forfeit. The league is screwing this up.
Seton Hall players are not required to be vaxxed but fans are?? Ludicrous.

https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2022/01/seton-halls-unvaccinated-players-will-escape-newarks-vaccination-mandate-no-kyrie-irving-situation-for-pirates.html

[JTG]

I am dying to see some real basketball talk these days..I hardly noticed Villanova- Seton Hall or Depaul Providence..dont even know what Creighton is doing.
Those teams are playing games, while we are just getting rusty.

[Xavier]

I’m not making excuses for steele, but I can’t imagine it’s good for rhythm When going on a break this long. Luckily butler should be easy- but it’s still challenging. Feels like a start to a whole new season.

[xukeith]

Tulane just took off 22 days but they beat Memphis and UC. They are performing strongly.

I only imagine Freemantle feeling up top speed. We shall see. Hope Jones snaps out of his luke warmness in VU game

[Olsingledigit]

I’m not making excuses for steele, but I can’t imagine it’s good for rhythm When going on a break this long. Luckily butler should be easy- but it’s still challenging. Feels like a start to a whole new season.

Butler is rarely easy for us. Do not underestimate them, especially at home.

[boozehound]

This is BS.
I’m sick of it. Get your ass vaxxed and play. If you can’t and enough guys can’t you forfeit. The league is screwing this up.
Seton Hall players are not required to be vaxxed but fans are?? Ludicrous.

https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2022/01/seton-halls-unvaccinated-players-will-escape-newarks-vaccination-mandate-no-kyrie-irving-situation-for-pirates.html

This seems like a reasonable stance: If your players or staff choose not to be vaccinated and you have to miss games, you forfeit.

This could very well end up impacting Xavier (or some other team) negatively if they have to jam a bunch of makeup games together late in the season because Seton Hall (or somebody else) can't get their shit together. I'd hate to have to shoehorn in a game against a tough Seton Hall team between two other games on a short turnaround late in the season. It could conceivably impact multiple games due to inadequate rest between games the first game and the Seton Hall game, as well as between Seton Hall and whomever X plays next.

[Masterofreality]

Apparently Xavier has been totally forgotten in the “Big East Reschedule Policy”.

[EastCoastXman]

Uconn reported that they had 9 players with COVID. This is totally irresponsible. Maybe these teams should be forfeiting. Especially when teams like X have done everything to keep players safe.

[94GRAD]

Uconn reported that they had 9 players with COVID. This is totally irresponsible. Maybe these teams should be forfeiting. Especially when teams like X have done everything to keep players safe.

They said 9 players with Covid or COVID SYMPTOMS! I would like the numbers for each

[GoMuskies]

Uconn reported that they had 9 players with COVID. This is totally irresponsible. Maybe these teams should be forfeiting. Especially when teams like X have done everything to keep players safe.

I mean, UConn's players are safe, too. "Irresponsible"? Meh.

[Masterofreality]

Georgetown may not play another game this year based upon this insane policy.
Hell, make them forfeit every game.

Article excerpt written by
Marty Makary M.D., M.P.H.
Dr. Marty Makary is a Johns Hopkins professor and public policy researcher. He is a member of the National Academy of Medicine, writes for the WSJ and the Washington Post, and is author of the NYT bestselling book, The Price We Pay.

"At Georgetown University, fully vaccinated students are randomly tested for Covid every week. Using a PCR test, which can detect tiny amounts of dead virus, asymptomatic students who test positive are ordered to a room in a designated building where they spend 10 days in confinement. Food is dropped off once a day at the door.
I spoke to several students who were holed up. One of them told me she would sometimes call a friend to come and wave at her through the window, just to see a human face. Another told me that the experience in quarantine “totally changed” her feelings about the school. “Everyone’s just fed up at this point,” she said. “People walk around the library and yell at you if you drink a sip of water. And it was during finals.” She told me she is thinking about “transferring to an SEC school just to have an in-person experience.”
Given the fact that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recently changed the official quarantine period from from 10 days to five, I reached out to Georgetown’s Chief Public Health Officer, Dr. Ranit Mishori. She told me that Georgetown is still using a 10-day quarantine.
Students are the lowest risk population on planet Earth. Over the last six months, the risk of a person in the broader age group (15-24) dying of Covid or dying with Covid (the CDC does not clearly distinguish), was 0.001%. All or nearly all of those deaths were in a very specific subgroup: unvaccinated people with a medical comorbidity. But despite Georgetown’s strict vaccination, masking, testing, and quarantine requirements, the university announced late last month that “all University events, including meetings with visitors, will need to be held virtually or outdoors,” among many other restrictions”

[GoMuskies]

Georgetown may not play another game this year based upon this insane policy.


They should literally consider purposely infecting their enire program and quarantining for 10 days if that is the policy.

[XUMIOH12]

If a team and staff isn't fully vaccinated and can't play due to covid then they should have to forfeit. If a team and staff is fully vaccinated and can't play due to covid it should get postponed/cancelled.

Reward the teams who have taken the proper measures to allow their players to be as healthy as possible and punish the teams who haven't.

But maybe that's just me :headscratch:

[waggy]

"higher education"

[coasterville95]

It says “or outdoors” is permitted - who is up for hoops in DC outdoors, set the basketball court up in the football stadium!


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[drudy23]

Georgetown may not play another game this year based upon this insane policy.
Hell, make them forfeit every game.

Article excerpt written by
Marty Makary M.D., M.P.H.
Dr. Marty Makary is a Johns Hopkins professor and public policy researcher. He is a member of the National Academy of Medicine, writes for the WSJ and the Washington Post, and is author of the NYT bestselling book, The Price We Pay.

"At Georgetown University, fully vaccinated students are randomly tested for Covid every week. Using a PCR test, which can detect tiny amounts of dead virus, asymptomatic students who test positive are ordered to a room in a designated building where they spend 10 days in confinement. Food is dropped off once a day at the door.
I spoke to several students who were holed up. One of them told me she would sometimes call a friend to come and wave at her through the window, just to see a human face. Another told me that the experience in quarantine “totally changed” her feelings about the school. “Everyone’s just fed up at this point,” she said. “People walk around the library and yell at you if you drink a sip of water. And it was during finals.” She told me she is thinking about “transferring to an SEC school just to have an in-person experience.”
Given the fact that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recently changed the official quarantine period from from 10 days to five, I reached out to Georgetown’s Chief Public Health Officer, Dr. Ranit Mishori. She told me that Georgetown is still using a 10-day quarantine.
Students are the lowest risk population on planet Earth. Over the last six months, the risk of a person in the broader age group (15-24) dying of Covid or dying with Covid (the CDC does not clearly distinguish), was 0.001%. All or nearly all of those deaths were in a very specific subgroup: unvaccinated people with a medical comorbidity. But despite Georgetown’s strict vaccination, masking, testing, and quarantine requirements, the university announced late last month that “all University events, including meetings with visitors, will need to be held virtually or outdoors,” among many other restrictions”

This can't be real.

[Masterofreality]

This can't be real.

Oh, it is. Absolutely.

https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/universities-covid-policies-defy?r=et72d&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

[GoMuskies]

Ha, I never thought I'd get linked to a Bari Weiss article on the sports side of Xavierhoops!

(Well, I guess it's actually this doc's article on Bari's substack)

[xubrew]

Georgetown may not play another game this year based upon this insane policy.
Hell, make them forfeit every game.

Article excerpt written by
Marty Makary M.D., M.P.H.
Dr. Marty Makary is a Johns Hopkins professor and public policy researcher. He is a member of the National Academy of Medicine, writes for the WSJ and the Washington Post, and is author of the NYT bestselling book, The Price We Pay.

"At Georgetown University, fully vaccinated students are randomly tested for Covid every week. Using a PCR test, which can detect tiny amounts of dead virus, asymptomatic students who test positive are ordered to a room in a designated building where they spend 10 days in confinement. Food is dropped off once a day at the door.
I spoke to several students who were holed up. One of them told me she would sometimes call a friend to come and wave at her through the window, just to see a human face. Another told me that the experience in quarantine “totally changed” her feelings about the school. “Everyone’s just fed up at this point,” she said. “People walk around the library and yell at you if you drink a sip of water. And it was during finals.” She told me she is thinking about “transferring to an SEC school just to have an in-person experience.”
Given the fact that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recently changed the official quarantine period from from 10 days to five, I reached out to Georgetown’s Chief Public Health Officer, Dr. Ranit Mishori. She told me that Georgetown is still using a 10-day quarantine.
Students are the lowest risk population on planet Earth. Over the last six months, the risk of a person in the broader age group (15-24) dying of Covid or dying with Covid (the CDC does not clearly distinguish), was 0.001%. All or nearly all of those deaths were in a very specific subgroup: unvaccinated people with a medical comorbidity. But despite Georgetown’s strict vaccination, masking, testing, and quarantine requirements, the university announced late last month that “all University events, including meetings with visitors, will need to be held virtually or outdoors,” among many other restrictions”

The other ten Big East schools should agree to offer full scholarships to any Georgetown students who wish to leave. It is the proper thing to do against such insane tyranny.

[XUBison]

Georgetown may not play another game this year based upon this insane policy.
Hell, make them forfeit every game.

Article excerpt written by
Marty Makary M.D., M.P.H.
Dr. Marty Makary is a Johns Hopkins professor and public policy researcher. He is a member of the National Academy of Medicine, writes for the WSJ and the Washington Post, and is author of the NYT bestselling book, The Price We Pay.

"At Georgetown University, fully vaccinated students are randomly tested for Covid every week. Using a PCR test, which can detect tiny amounts of dead virus, asymptomatic students who test positive are ordered to a room in a designated building where they spend 10 days in confinement. Food is dropped off once a day at the door.
I spoke to several students who were holed up. One of them told me she would sometimes call a friend to come and wave at her through the window, just to see a human face. Another told me that the experience in quarantine “totally changed” her feelings about the school. “Everyone’s just fed up at this point,” she said. “People walk around the library and yell at you if you drink a sip of water. And it was during finals.” She told me she is thinking about “transferring to an SEC school just to have an in-person experience.”
Given the fact that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recently changed the official quarantine period from from 10 days to five, I reached out to Georgetown’s Chief Public Health Officer, Dr. Ranit Mishori. She told me that Georgetown is still using a 10-day quarantine.
Students are the lowest risk population on planet Earth. Over the last six months, the risk of a person in the broader age group (15-24) dying of Covid or dying with Covid (the CDC does not clearly distinguish), was 0.001%. All or nearly all of those deaths were in a very specific subgroup: unvaccinated people with a medical comorbidity. But despite Georgetown’s strict vaccination, masking, testing, and quarantine requirements, the university announced late last month that “all University events, including meetings with visitors, will need to be held virtually or outdoors,” among many other restrictions”



I have alluded to what’s going on at Georgetown in several previous posts— I am currently enrolled in a grad program there. All of this is correct. My Georgetown email is full of public health notices from Dr. Ranit Mishori, including another one today. These notices are quite detailed, but if I understood today’s correctly, anyone returning to campus for spring term must get tested within 72 hours of their return, and again upon their return to campus. Dining must occur either in residences or in the outdoor tents around campus. The mask policy prohibits eating/drinking in any public areas, such as libraries or study lounges, and “public health ambassadors” are patrolling these areas to enforce the mask policy. They also closed the on-campus fitness facilities once the on-campus positivity rate grew to 2.3% due to the omnicron surge. One of these notices acknowledged that the vast majority of those testing positive on campus are asymptomatic.

As for the basketball program, I looked back through these notices and found a reference stating that all student athletes must comply with all university covid policies, as well as those of the athletic conferences. Nothing unusual there, but it underscores that the Big East and its respective programs are not simply subject to Big East rules. These covid policies are action-based— you must do this, you must do that. In other words, athletes will comply with whichever policy requires more stringent action.