Time to move on

[JTG]

That’s a bit illogical but that’s OK. Point remains why wouldn’t you want to be Villanova west (or Gonzaga east).

Hasn't he noticed that Nova has a couple 250 pounders he uses in the paint.

[Xville]

That’s a bit illogical but that’s OK. Point remains why wouldn’t you want to be Villanova west (or Gonzaga east).

My point is if Steele is trying to be Villanova west, he’s doing a really bad job at it. And quite frankly, the copy is never as good as the original. Xavier had a system and a brand for a long time, and it was working. He could have made a tweak here and there that fit his vision but kept in line with what Xavier has been.

[MADXSTER]

My point is if Steele is trying to be Villanova west, he’s doing a really bad job at it. And quite frankly, the copy is never as good as the original. Xavier had a system and a brand for a long time, and it was working. He could have made a tweak here and there that fit his vision but kept in line with what Xavier has been.

Xville, you do bitch about everything Steele related. If he made a tweak here or there, you'd bitch about not making big changes. About same old same old and expecting different results. You and MOR both hate on Steele every chance you get. It's old.

[MHettel]

Both Hankins and Tyrique were Mack guys - yes, Steele was a coach, but he recruits to the wants of the head coach.

Steele has yet to recruit or transfer in a power forward that has been a force in the paint.

It's obvious by roster construction and recruiting pipeline how he wants to play.

https://hartonhoops.wordpress.com/2018/04/07/xavier-lands-grad-transfer-zach-hankins/

Newly appointed Xavier head coach Travis Steele knew that he needed to add depth in Xavier’s frontcourt so he struck quickly, landing 6-foot-11 center Zach Hankins. Playing for Division II Ferris State, Hankins averaged 15.1 points and 9.7 rebounds on his way to winning National Player of the Year and a Division II championship.

[xudash]

On the matter of questioning decisioning Re line-ups:

"This has been a pattern the last three games," said Steele. "You look at Villanova, look at Creighton, and this DePaul game – you can't dig yourself a hole in this league."

When asked about the slow starts, Steele said, "I gotta look maybe at lineups too, you know, we gotta dive into the analytical numbers a little bit deeper.

"... You gotta put 40 minutes together in this league. You cannot allow teams to win a four-minute war 17-6. That just can't happen. It doesn't happen to good teams. So we gotta get that fixed, we're addressing it."

[boozehound]

Hasn't he noticed that Nova has a couple 250 pounders he uses in the paint.

Also I think that most of Gonzaga's better teams have featured at least one legit big guy who can bang.

[Xavier]

My point is if Steele is trying to be Villanova west, he’s doing a really bad job at it. And quite frankly, the copy is never as good as the original. Xavier had a system and a brand for a long time, and it was working. He could have made a tweak here and there that fit his vision but kept in line with what Xavier has been.

What do you feel like the brand was? I think under Sean it was Strong D, rebounding, development. (Toughness). And Mack was more of an offensive guy, who everyone complained couldn’t develop guys. Constant arguments on “has anyone actually improved from day one”. And that was what the brand was with Sean and A-10 teams. Development and toughness. That wasn’t the case with Mack at all. Certainly both had similar cockiness about them.

I guess I just see two different styles and brands though. I guess both brands at least was a constant tournament threat.

[drudy23]

https://hartonhoops.wordpress.com/2018/04/07/xavier-lands-grad-transfer-zach-hankins/

Newly appointed Xavier head coach Travis Steele knew that he needed to add depth in Xavier’s frontcourt so he struck quickly, landing 6-foot-11 center Zach Hankins. Playing for Division II Ferris State, Hankins averaged 15.1 points and 9.7 rebounds on his way to winning National Player of the Year and a Division II championship.

He was an original Mack recruit. Mack left for Louisville and he questioned committing to X - Steele sealed the deal.

[Xville]

What do you feel like the brand was? I think under Sean it was Strong D, rebounding, development. (Toughness). And Mack was more of an offensive guy, who everyone complained couldn’t develop guys. Constant arguments on “has anyone actually improved from day one”. And that was what the brand was with Sean and A-10 teams. Development and toughness. That wasn’t the case with Mack at all. Certainly both had similar cockiness about them.

I guess I just see two different styles and brands though. I guess both brands at least was a constant tournament threat.


What do you feel like the brand was? I think under Sean it was Strong D, rebounding, development. (Toughness). And Mack was more of an offensive guy, who everyone complained couldn’t develop guys. Constant arguments on “has anyone actually improved from day one”. And that was what the brand was with Sean and A-10 teams. Development and toughness. That wasn’t the case with Mack at all. Certainly both had similar cockiness about them.

I guess I just see two different styles and brands though. I guess both brands at least was a constant tournament threat.

I guess brand may have been the wrong word. When I think of Xavier from Marta thru mack I think power forward u and toughness at all spots. I understand the game has changed and everyone wants to shoot the 3 but I think in the big East you absolutely have to have a few beefy guys that will get dirty, rebound and intimidate.

[MHettel]

He was an original Mack recruit. Mack left for Louisville and he questioned committing to X - Steele sealed the deal.

So he's Steele's recruit?

I'm not understanding. Steele recruited him as an assistant for Mack, is that correct?

And then Mack left, and Steele had no obligation to continue the recruitment of Zach. But he did. Which meant he decided to recruit him on his own.

And further, like just one month prior to his commitment, wasn't Hankins an active player for Ferris State? So as an active player who had not declared his intention to Transfer, wouldn't it have been impermissible for ANYONE to recruit him?

You are obviously hell bent on trying to prove that Steele cant (or doesnt want to) recruit a physical big man, but the facts are crystal clear here.

Travis gets credit for bringing in Hankins. He misused him for half a year, but he did bring him in.

[Masterofreality]

Xville, you do bitch about everything Steele related. If he made a tweak here or there, you'd bitch about not making big changes. About same old same old and expecting different results. You and MOR both hate on Steele every chance you get. It's old.

Honest accurate critique is different than “hating”. And please point out this year where, especially after losses, where I have come on here to trash him.
I’ve stated clearly that He’s getting better. The first three years were a waste of talent.
You really don’t want me to bring up the last 2 years BE Tournament games Xavier played in do you?

[xu82]

Honest accurate critique is different than “hating”. And please point out this year where, especially after losses, where I have come on here to trash him.
I’ve stated clearly that He’s getting better. The first three years were a waste of talent.
You really don’t want me to bring up the last 2 years BE Tournament games Xavier played in do you?

As long as he continues to get better, I’m on board. I think he was a bit over his skis initially, but we are ranked, and he’s improving. That’s what you hope for. Making a change for the sake of change offers no guarantees. I like our stability, and I want him to get every chance possible. I realize it’s been disappointing early, but it’s also been the strangest two years of my life. Not an excuse, just a fact.

I like the path of patience and remaining hopeful, until it’s absolutely clear we will not get back to where we expect Xavier basketball to be. I really like the recruiting, and that’s much of the battle. Keep getting better in practice and on game days. It’s only natural to get better at your job as time goes by. The rest of this season will be telling.

[markchal]

I'm psyched about this season and about next year's freshmen. I don't know that I'm sold on Steele as some super-recruiter though (which is used a lot to justify having patience with him learning on the job). That Freemantle-Tandy class was very highly rated, but it looks worse every year. We may have only one solid starter out of that class. Jones and Odom seem destined for big things. Miles...

I have not heard anything encouraging about Tucker (who was rated fairly high for being such a longshot project) and Edwards can't see the floor at all (and we bring back all our bigs), so this year feels lost.

I will say that college basketball recruiting IS different now with the portal, and Nunge is a home run and Kunkel is a very good pickup. Even Hunter (I was surprised we took him) has been a solid role player and has potential. Steele has done well with transfers.

[drudy23]

You are obviously hell bent on trying to prove that Steele cant (or doesnt want to) recruit a physical big man, but the facts are crystal clear here.


Well we have a different definition of "crystal clear" then. I'm not trying to "prove" anything - it seems pretty obvious to anyone watching he's not bringing in power forwards. That's all the proof needed. Just look at next year's class - good class, but same type of players. He's done that every year he's been here.

We are severely lacking at the PF position - like I said, you can overcome that with depth and great shooting. We have one, but not the other. It will be the difference between potentially winning the Big East or meddling in the middle.

[Xville]

It would be really beneficial for next year if Edwards could put on another 10-15 pounds and be that beefy guy. I have no idea what the staff’s plans are for him but just a thought.

Free, nunge and hunter will all have 2 years left after this year, correct?

[xukeith]

Well we have a different definition of "crystal clear" then. I'm not trying to "prove" anything - it seems pretty obvious to anyone watching he's not bringing in power forwards. That's all the proof needed. Just look at next year's class - good class, but same type of players. He's done that every year he's been here.

We are severely lacking at the PF position - like I said, you can overcome that with depth and great shooting. We have one, but not the other. It will be the difference between potentially winning the Big East or meddling in the middle.

For the 2022 recruiting class for X, maybe Claude (6'4 pg/sg) is a common type of recruit X and Steele has landed. Craft and Ward are different as far as rankings and size/talent.
In 4 years, he has brought in shooting guards(lots have not panned out).

Ward and Craft have height and athleticism and have been offered by better programs than X. Top 60 talent is not too common here at X. And when all 3 recruits are top 85, it is exciting.
Only recruits somewhat similar to Ward and Craft would be Colby Jones, Dontarius James, and Keonte Kennedy. (6'5-6'7) . I hope this length AND talent leads to superior defense and shooting (Craft as legit scorer, Ward defender, Claude who knows)

[drudy23]

For the 2022 recruiting class for X, maybe Claude (6'4 pg/sg) is a common type of recruit X and Steele have landed. But no way do Craft and Ward remind fans of recruits which have been brought in by Steele.
In 4 years, he has brought in shooting guards(lots have not panned out).

Ward and Craft have height and athleticism and have been offered by better programs for X. Top 60 talent is not too common here at X.
Only recruits somewhat similar to Ward and Craft would be Colby Jones, Dontarius James, and Keonte Kennedy. (6'5-6'7) . I hope this length AND talent leads to superior defense and shouting (Craft as legit scorer, Ward defender, Claude who knows)

Similar in terms of perimeter oriented guys. If he recruits a SF, it's a perimeter oriented guy. Once again, we have no post players in this class. Are we no longer into developing big men?

Who is the last PF he recruited and developed into a contributor? Hankins was a C, if you buy Steele recruited him.

[Xville]

For the 2022 recruiting class for X, maybe Claude (6'4 pg/sg) is a common type of recruit X and Steele has landed. Craft and Ward are different as far as rankings and size/talent.
In 4 years, he has brought in shooting guards(lots have not panned out).

Ward and Craft have height and athleticism and have been offered by better programs than X. Top 60 talent is not too common here at X. And when all 3 recruits are top 85, it is exciting.
Only recruits somewhat similar to Ward and Craft would be Colby Jones, Dontarius James, and Keonte Kennedy. (6'5-6'7) . I hope this length AND talent leads to superior defense and shooting (Craft as legit scorer, Ward defender, Claude who knows)

It is for sure a great class on paper and it is exciting. Definitely pumped to see these guys in action and watch them develop. Maybe I’m just screaming out into the void and it’s not going to happen, but I’d think if you want a complete team, you would get a guy or two here and there like an Eric Dixon or whatever big beefy dude is out there. I understand those are few and far between, but it seems Steele doesn’t even attempt to get those guys which to me is a bit odd considering the league x plays in.

[Masterofreality]

Similar in terms of perimeter oriented guys. If he recruits a SF, it's a perimeter oriented guy. Once again, we have no post players in this class. Are we no longer into developing big men?

Who is the last PF he recruited and developed into a contributor? Hankins was a C, if you buy Steele recruited him.

If Jack Nunge leaves early (He’s in grad school now) we are screwed next year.

[XUGRAD80]

Similar in terms of perimeter oriented guys. If he recruits a SF, it's a perimeter oriented guy. Once again, we have no post players in this class. Are we no longer into developing big men?

Who is the last PF he recruited and developed into a contributor? Hankins was a C, if you buy Steele recruited him.

Recruited? Several

Landed? Projects

Developed….0

Have to ask….does that show a need for a different big man coach and/or conditioning and strength coach? Does that mean that there needs to be a different emphasis on recruiting bigs that are not just projects? Does it mean playing a different style? A little of all of those things?

I did notice that according to VerbalCommits that X just dropped two scholarship offers on a couple of 6’10” players for the 2023 class, on Wednesday and Thursday. Also Claude mentioned that one of the things that he liked about X was that they were going to have a couple of experienced bigs there for the next couple of years. So maybe, just maybe, Steele has realized that he needs to put a little more emphasis on getting those kinds of players and that he can’t just recruit good wings/guards and hope that a big project will work out. You can’t count on getting a Nunge out of the transfer ranks every year.

I’m hopeful that is the case, but I’m in the “show me” school now. I’ll wait and see, but I’m not willing to wait much longer.

[Xavier]

I’d be shocked if Jack left. This would be his only real college season. Though I was surprised when Gates left (but even him leaving makes more sense than Nunge) so who knows. If he does leave with the transfer rule it’s too early to say we’re screwed. Travis loves snagging transfers and has had a good success rate. I expect that to continue to be a big part of Xaviers roster construction

Creighton always has some 7 foot rim protectors, that would be great to get. Guards win in March so I am ok with them focusing on that, take swings on guards/wings every year and see which pan out. It’s worth it IMO

[drudy23]

If Jack Nunge leaves early (He’s in grad school now) we are screwed next year.

This.

Really hope he stays.

[Final4]

I’d be shocked if Jack left. This would be his only real college season. Though I was surprised when Gates left (but even him leaving makes more sense than Nunge) so who knows. If he does leave with the transfer rule it’s too early to say we’re screwed. Travis loves snagging transfers and has had a good success rate. I expect that to continue to be a big part of Xaviers roster construction

Creighton always has some 7 foot rim protectors, that would be great to get. Guards win in March so I am ok with them focusing on that, take swings on guards/wings every year and see which pan out. It’s worth it IMO

Jack will be 23 years old in a couple weeks and engaged to be married soon (I believe). He may decide that it's time to move on with his life.

[xukeith]

Similar in terms of perimeter oriented guys. If he recruits a SF, it's a perimeter oriented guy. Once again, we have no post players in this class. Are we no longer into developing big men?

Who is the last PF he recruited and developed into a contributor? Hankins was a C, if you buy Steele recruited him.

Freemantle, Miles, Edwards and Taylor.
Stainbrook, Hankins, Jones, etc.
I think it is easier to snag a transfer big man than to get a freshman post player who can actually play

[drudy23]

Freemantle, Miles, Edwards and Taylor.
Stainbrook, Hankins, Jones, etc.
I think it is easier to snag a transfer big man than to get a freshman post player who can actually play

Freemantle is a solid player, but I expected him to be better than he is based on early returns. Is he getting better?

Miles Or Edwards won't see the floor this year. Who's Taylor? Andrew? Travis? Stop. They both played like 10 years ago.

The other three were Mack guys and Mack always made the PF a priority.

[MHettel]

Hankins was a C, if you buy Steele recruited him.

dude, he was playing for Ferris State when Mack left. Mack never recruited him. Steel did.

You are so desperately trying to make you point that Steel doesn't recruit tough big guys that you are creating an alternate world where the facts are different so the actual facts don't undermine your opinion.

Steele recruited Hankins. Just accept it.

[Xville]

Freemantle is a solid player, but I expected him to be better than he is based on early returns. Is he getting better?

Miles Or Edwards won't see the floor this year. Who's Taylor? Andrew? Travis? Stop. They both played like 10 years ago.

The other three were Mack guys and Mack always made the PF a priority.

I think he means Elijah Tucker possibly? but hes far from a post player that is going to be effective in the big East at this current state. Being 6’7 he needs to really bulk up.

[Xville]

dude, he was playing for Ferris State when Mack left. Mack never recruited him. Steel did.

You are so desperately trying to make you point that Steel doesn't recruit tough big guys that you are creating an alternate world where the facts are different so the actual facts don't undermine your opinion.

Steele recruited Hankins. Just accept it.

You are quite wrong in saying mack never recruited him fyi

https://theathletic.com/302307/2018/04/05/division-ii-big-man-zach-hankins-first-to-commit-in-xaviers-travis-steele-era/?amp

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

If Jack Nunge leaves early (He’s in grad school now) we are screwed next year.


Mos def

[xuphan]

I think he means Elijah Tucker possibly? but hes far from a post player that is going to be effective in the big East at this current state. Being 6’7 he needs to really bulk up.

Tucker is more of a wing that will knock down outside shots. He’s not a post player.

[Xuperman]

Xville, you do bitch about everything Steele related. If he made a tweak here or there, you'd bitch about not making big changes. About same old same old and expecting different results. You and MOR both hate on Steele every chance you get. It's old.

C'mon MADX. You can't post something like this and leave out OTR....you risked getting him butt hurt, by not acknowledging all his hard work on this subject!
:read:

[drudy23]

dude, he was playing for Ferris State when Mack left. Mack never recruited him. Steel did.

You are so desperately trying to make you point that Steel doesn't recruit tough big guys that you are creating an alternate world where the facts are different so the actual facts don't undermine your opinion.

Steele recruited Hankins. Just accept it.

It's funny when people demand an alternate reality when they are indeed posting alternative facts lol

Steele was on Mack's staff, so yes, Steele recruited him - but he was recruiting for Mack's wants and needs. Hankins was all-in with Mack, and then Mack went to Louisville. Steele had to seal the deal when Mack left as Hankins was pondering going a different direction. These are the facts.

Mack recruit 100% - but yes, of course Steele recruited him under Mack as he was his lead recruiter.

If Mack wasn't involved, would Steele have ever recruited him? We will never know, but if his recruiting history tells us anything, the answer is probably no.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If Jack Nunge leaves early (He’s in grad school now) we are screwed next year.

I hope he doesn't leave but to be fair at this time last year we didn't know we'd have Nunge the next year and even once we got him we didn't know he'd be as good as he's been. So there is too much time between now and then for me to say we will be screwed if he leaves.

[MHettel]

It's funny when people demand an alternate reality when they are indeed posting alternative facts lol

Steele was on Mack's staff, so yes, Steele recruited him - but he was recruiting for Mack's wants and needs. Hankins was all-in with Mack, and then Mack went to Louisville. Steele had to seal the deal when Mack left as Hankins was pondering going a different direction. These are the facts.

Mack recruit 100% - but yes, of course Steele recruited him under Mack as he was his lead recruiter.

If Mack wasn't involved, would Steele have ever recruited him? We will never know, but if his recruiting history tells us anything, the answer is probably no.

“(Steele) made me his No. 1 priority for recruiting as soon as he got the job,” Hankins told 247 Sports. “That showed me the need and desire he had for me.”

Ok, you are right. Steele had no idea what he was doing. He continued to carry out his boss's orders even after his boss was gone.

So also, this quote above means that either Hankins lied, and Steele never said that, or Steele lied and said it but didnt mean it.

Honestly, at this point I just want to see how far you are willing to go.

[drudy23]

“(Steele) made me his No. 1 priority for recruiting as soon as he got the job,” Hankins told 247 Sports. “That showed me the need and desire he had for me.”

Ok, you are right. Steele had no idea what he was doing. He continued to carry out his boss's orders even after his boss was gone.

So also, this quote above means that either Hankins lied, and Steele never said that, or Steele lied and said it but didnt mean it.

Honestly, at this point I just want to see how far you are willing to go.

Funny how the quotes you pick from the article makes the other quotes in the article non-existent lol

He was such a priority he misused him until the last month of his career (your words not mine), and then went on to never recruit another one like him out of high school.

Why on earth are you arguing that Steele doesn't make PF's a priority? That seems pretty obvious at this point to pretty much everyone here but you. If you're going to argue on his behalf, pick something less obvious. Maybe focus on mean mugging or "my guys man"

[XUGRAD80]

I wouldn’t say that Steele hasn’t recruited power forwards. Based on the 24/7 offers list for the years 2019-2022, X has offered a minimum of 10 players who they consider to be power forwards. He has landed Ramsey in 2019 (project), Tucker (project), and Edwards (project). They have not landed any others. Ramsey obviously didn’t work out and has transferred. Tucker is a question mark, 24/7 has him listed at 6’7” and 190 lbs. X has him listed as weighing 214lbs, and I remember reading that he is more like 6’8” or even 6’9” after growing last summer. If he is really 6’8” and 215lbs, he might be useful in that position next year. Edwards is listed by X as a forward and being 6’9” and 220 lbs, but from what we’ve seen he appears to prefer to play on the exterior and isn’t really a banger. The problem is that these 3 players are all just projects and that X hasn’t landed an impact player for that position since I can’t remember when. Stanley was supposed to be that kind of player, so we’re Griffin and Carter, but none of them really worked out. Who was the last POWER Forward that came to X as a freshman recruit and had a decent freshman year and made a real impact by their sophomore year? Some might answer Freemantle, but he’s not really a big bodied banger, is he? Is the problem lack of emphasis on recruiting that kind of player, or lack of developing that kind of player, or playing style of the team? In any of these cases, I’d have to lay the responsibilities on the coaching staff, and that means it ultimately lies on Steele. I’m not “hating” on Steele here. I’m just stating facts. It’s my belief that X NEEDS a player of that type in order to compete successfully in the BE, and I don’t see where they have it presently. Maybe one of the projects on the current roster, or a transfer player, can fill that role next year. I hope so. But history doesn’t support it.

[MHettel]

Funny how the quotes you pick from the article makes the other quotes in the article non-existent lol

He was such a priority he misused him until the last month of his career (your words not mine), and then went on to never recruit another one like him out of high school.

Why on earth are you arguing that Steele doesn't make PF's a priority? That seems pretty obvious at this point to pretty much everyone here but you. If you're going to argue on his behalf, pick something less obvious. Maybe focus on mean mugging or "my guys man"

Well, your contention was that he wasnt Steele's recruits. How he played or how he was used is simply irrelevant when evaluating the truth of your statement.

He was Steele's recruit. Are there other questions or topics you want to pursue? Like should we discuss Hankins performance now, or other recruits that aren't Hankins? Your attempts to divert attention AWAY from the fact that you are wrong are so obvious.

put the shovel down. The hole is plenty deep.

[Xville]

Well, your contention was that he wasnt Steele's recruits. How he played or how he was used is simply irrelevant when evaluating the truth of your statement.

He was Steele's recruit. Are there other questions or topics you want to pursue? Like should we discuss Hankins performance now, or other recruits that aren't Hankins? Your attempts to divert attention AWAY from the fact that you are wrong are so obvious.

put the shovel down. The hole is plenty deep.

You said mack never recruited him, which is wrong.

[drudy23]

Well, your contention was that he wasnt Steele's recruits. How he played or how he was used is simply irrelevant when evaluating the truth of your statement.

He was Steele's recruit. Are there other questions or topics you want to pursue? Like should we discuss Hankins performance now, or other recruits that aren't Hankins? Your attempts to divert attention AWAY from the fact that you are wrong are so obvious.

put the shovel down. The hole is plenty deep.

He was originally Mack’s recruit. That’s also true. Of course Steele recruited him if he was recruiting for Mack.

And as I’ve stated from the beginning, what PF that Mack recruited from HS has panned out? It hasn’t been and continues he’s to not be a priority for how he constructs his teams. You disagree with that?

[xukeith]

I think he means Elijah Tucker possibly? but hes far from a post player that is going to be effective in the big East at this current state. Being 6’7 he needs to really bulk up.

oops! Thank you.

[xukeith]

Tyrique Jones played 4 years . He is arguably the best rebounder in X history. Steele AND Mack recruited him because they both were on the same staff.

Also Last fall or the year prior, X pushed extremely hard in recruiting Ben Carlson (sp?). He committed to Wisconsin.
This past fall in October, X was recruiting a forward (Ty Rodgers) HS prospect from Michigan. He was narrowing his list of schools to MSU, Michigan and Illinois.
He just committed to Illinois.
I like the big men transfers that Mack and Steele get at X. Big transfers are usually better than frosh big men.

[MHettel]

He was originally Mack’s recruit. That’s also true. Of course Steele recruited him if he was recruiting for Mack.

And as I’ve stated from the beginning, what PF that Mack recruited from HS has panned out? It hasn’t been and continues he’s to not be a priority for how he constructs his teams. You disagree with that?

Lets play "timeline"!

March 24- Hankins wins Nat'l Championship at Ferris State

March 27- Mack hired at UofL

March 31- Steele hired at XU

April 7- Hankins commits to XU


So, it would have been impermissible for Mack to "recruit" Hankins up until March 24. And you are suggesting that the last 3 days he spent as an XU coach were focused on recruiting Hankins, rather than finalizing the terms of his 28M contract with UofL.

Ok.

(hands the shovel back to Drudy...)

btw, last time I checked Steele recruited Freemantle who was All-Freshman and then All BE , and BE Most Improved Player in his first 2 years. He's currently a 3rd year player that is coming off an injury and hasnt found his groove.

Griffin and Stanley BOTH fit the bill as physical bigs. Both have had issues (Griffin with Covid stuff, Stanley with ACL).

You should rethink your argument....since it's sinking.

Recruiting guys that may not have worked out is different than not recruiting a certain type of guy.

[drudy23]

Obviously Steele recruited them - under Mack's direction as to who to recruit. At this point, you're just using semantics to argue. So as the title of the thread says....

Time to Move On

If you think we're solid at the PF position, you do you.

[Xuperman]

Xavier had a system and a brand for a long time, and it was working. He could have made a tweak here and there that fit his vision but kept in line with what Xavier has been.

Steele has finally returned to an old X standard and Byron Larkin's favorite metric....... make more FTs than your opponent attempts!