College Basketball Season 2021-2022

[paulxu]

Oops.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10011929-gonzaga-head-coach-mark-few-facing-dui-charge-after-police-citation?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

(Thanks Bobbie!)

[xubrew]

Is this another example of the police exceeding their authority?? I mean...YOU CAN'T PULL OVER MARK FEW!!!!!

[xubrew]

First official day of practice today. Everyone gets 30 practices over the next 42 days.

It has always seems to me that these next 42 days last a lot longer than the 18 weeks it takes to play the regular season.

[Xville]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32319413/ncaa-accuses-louisville-coach-chris-mack-additional-allegations

Our poor buddy Mack. To be fair, these seem pretty trivial to me, but apparently not to the ncaa. Mack better have a damn good season, otherwise that seat is going to be scorching.

[xubrew]

The Maui Invitational will be played in Las Vegas this year. I believe it was played in Asheville, NC last year. At least they are slowly getting it closer and closer back to Maui.

[GoMuskies]

Damn, I'll be in Maui and was thinking of catching a game. Guess I'll have to go snorkeling instead. Bummer.

[paulxu]

Despite no Coach K for next year, Duke has managed to land 3 of the top 10 recruits for 2022.

The power of brand.

[xubrew]

Midland plays Oak Hills Christian on Friday night. It’s two NAIA teams. So far as I know it is the first college basketball game of any kind at any level of the season.

[GIMMFD]

Good god I love when this thread is started each year, means the season is near, with WVU football being a shit show, I need something else to look forward to.

[GoMuskies]

All West-Coast top 2 in the preseason with Gonzaga #1 and UCLA #2. It's been a while since anyone out west other than Gonzaga has been particularly relevant (since Miller ran the Lexus into a tree). Are Cronin's Bruins REALLY that good? Or was it just a freak March run for a team that scraped into the NCAA Tourament play-in game by the skin of their teeth? Find out soon enough!

[xubrew]

And so it begins!!!

The first open exhibition game of the 2021-2022 season takes place tonight!! Hopefully this is kicking off the season where COVID is in the rearview mirror and we are able to have the fans back and our atmospheres back!

Now, having said that, I don't think there will be much in the way of fans or atmosphere tonight. It's Nova Southeastern at Miami FL, but it is a college basketball game! It's a college basketball game involving a D1 team! It is the first college basketball game of any kind involving a D1 team since last year's national championship game between Baylor and Gonzaga! It is open to the public! The stream is available! And, it starts off a stretch where there is a college basketball game of some sort every day until the day after Selection Sunday!!

So...HAPPY COLLEGE BASKETBALL SEASON!! AGAIN!!!

https://hoopshd.com/exhibition-games-2021-2022/

[paulxu]

Once again we're not in Dickie V's top 40.
In the past that has been a good sign.
#sneakingup

[muskiefan82]

And so it begins!!!

The first open exhibition game of the 2021-2022 season takes place tonight!! Hopefully this is kicking off the season where COVID is in the rearview mirror and we are able to have the fans back and our atmospheres back!

Now, having said that, I don't think there will be much in the way of fans or atmosphere tonight. It's Nova Southeastern at Miami FL, but it is a college basketball game! It's a college basketball game involving a D1 team! It is the first college basketball game of any kind involving a D1 team since last year's national championship game between Baylor and Gonzaga! It is open to the public! The stream is available! And, it starts off a stretch where there is a college basketball game of some sort every day until the day after Selection Sunday!!

So...HAPPY COLLEGE BASKETBALL SEASON!! AGAIN!!!

https://hoopshd.com/exhibition-games-2021-2022/

SO, one of the two pre-games is Ferris State. Since there are no other exhibitions, does anyone know who X is scrimmaging (assuming that is what they are doing)

[xubrew]

SO, one of the two pre-games is Ferris State. Since there are no other exhibitions, does anyone know who X is scrimmaging (assuming that is what they are doing)

Vanderbilt on Oct 30th

[XU 23]

X is 26 in the preseason KenPom poll, not entirely surprising.

[muskiefan82]

X is 26 in the preseason KenPom poll, not entirely surprising.

AH...the sneak begins. LOL

[paulxu]

Wake and Army started the BB season early today.

[xubrew]

Reports are that Dixie State will change their name to Utah Tech next this month. I believe this would be the first time that a school ever changed its name in the middle of a season.

[SM#24]

Reports are that Dixie State will change their name to Utah Tech next this month. I believe this would be the first time that a school ever changed its name in the middle of a season.

When I saw that Dixie St. entered D1, I didn't know where it was located. If someone had asked me to guess, I would have been on guess #40 and still have not gotten to Utah.

[xubrew]

Oklahoma State was just issued a postseason ban. I'd forgotten they were even in trouble.

[Xville]

I had forgotten too and so I read up on it to remind myself….from the fbi investigation that was over 4 years ago. So stupid this stuff takes that long.

[xubrew]

I had forgotten too and so I read up on it to remind myself….from the fbi investigation that was over 4 years ago. So stupid this stuff takes that long.

They were actually issued a ban last year, and they appealed it late in the year. Because it was under appeal, the ban was lifted pending the decision. The decision is in, and they are banned again.

So..it only really took them THREE years!! That's much more swift!!!

[xubrew]

It's the busiest day of the year!! It's not even close, really. There are 184 games today involving D1 teams. Unfortunately, it looks as though only 181 of them will be on TV or have video streams available. I can't help but feel like we are being cheated!!!!

[Xville]

College basketball has a huge opportunity to actually do something right and get people interested in the sport before March, but they continually fail like they have today on opening day. There are two whole games tonight (and that may be a stretch) that anyone out of respective fan bases or degenerative gamblers give a crap about. This big East wrap around thing could be really cool, but instead it involves a bunch of games that no one cares about against inferior competition.

Anyways, just my two cents…

[paulxu]

Went to the Wofford home opener tonight. They also had 63 pts...in the first half.
64% from behind the arc, with wonderful (real) plays to take advantage of mismatches, and rotation for open looks (many inside/out).
Was a pleasure to watch.

[GIMMFD]

Man, Emoni Bates & Jalen Duren both look like the real deal, and Banchero was pretty legit today too, good start for the top prospects in the country in my opinion.

[SkyWalker]

Went to the Wofford home opener tonight. They also had 63 pts...in the first half.
64% from behind the arc, with wonderful (real) plays to take advantage of mismatches, and rotation for open looks (many inside/out).
Was a pleasure to watch.

I'm jealous!

[xubrew]

College basketball has a huge opportunity to actually do something right and get people interested in the sport before March, but they continually fail like they have today on opening day. There are two whole games tonight (and that may be a stretch) that anyone out of respective fan bases or degenerative gamblers give a crap about. This big East wrap around thing could be really cool, but instead it involves a bunch of games that no one cares about against inferior competition.

Anyways, just my two cents…

I actually think it's better than it used to be. It's still not as good as I wish it were, but in the first 72 hours we have two games that feature two top ten teams. That seemingly never used to happen.

The problem is that while college basketball is popular all over the country, the individual teams are not. Very few games during the regular season are of legit national interest. On any given night tens of millions of people are watching college basketball, but they're watching about fifty different games. I mean, if you think about it, do any games during the regular season really interest anyone other than the respective fanbases and degenerate gamblers?? I mean even on this site, we do this thread every year, and there are times that I feel like I'm the only person posting in it. It usually doesn't concern Xavier, which is the only team the vast majority of people on here really care about, and the only team that they're going to make it a point to watch.

[paulxu]

The problem is that while college basketball is popular all over the country, the individual teams are not..

Is that really a "problem?" With 350+ teams, the interest will be on your own team. If TV has made more of those games watchable by their respective fan bases in some fashion, that seems to be a good thing.
Would be hard to do something like the NFL with 32 teams, who can dominate regionally on Sunday, put on a national game Sunday and Monday night, because teams only play once a week and only two teams are playing on Monday night.

[xubrew]

Is that really a "problem?" With 350+ teams, the interest will be on your own team. If TV has made more of those games watchable by their respective fan bases in some fashion, that seems to be a good thing.
Would be hard to do something like the NFL with 32 teams, who can dominate regionally on Sunday, put on a national game Sunday and Monday night, because teams only play once a week and only two teams are playing on Monday night.

In my opinion it's not a problem at all. Poor choice of words, perhaps. The SITUATION, then...

I suppose it's a problem if you're a TV executive that's looking for regular season games that will draw ten million viewers. That simply will not happen. But, that's not my job title, so I don't care. I actually kind of like it the way that it is. There were 184 games yesterday. 181 were either on TV or had video streams available. I for one think that is fantastic!! But, like you alluded to, with that many options, forget about any regular season games every getting big national ratings.

[JTG]

Personally I watch the teams I'm vested in. X basketball, ND football,and Colts on Sunday. I have no inclination to watch East Nowhere vs West Nowhere. For that matter I won't sit and watch a non X Big East game. Annual classics like Army/Navy, OSU/ Mich, Ala/Auburn I'll take a look. And never MLB ( way too slow), or NBA (only the stars are treated fair). College Baskeball is a Regional sport that becomes a National sport every March. And as long as X is on every game, I'm good.

[xubrew]

After a gluttonous night where there were more games than on any other day of the year, there's almost nothing interesting happening tonight. Buffalo at Michigan is interesting. That's about it. Buffalo is one of those teams that might be good enough to make the NCAA Tournament without the aut-bid. I don't think they're good enough to beat a top ten team on the road, but they're better than what most probably realize.

[Xville]

In another stupid college basketball move, #2 vs #4 begins at 1130pm eat on Friday night. Brilliant.

[Lloyd Braun]

After a gluttonous night where there were more games than on any other day of the year, there's almost nothing interesting happening tonight. Buffalo at Michigan is interesting. That's about it. Buffalo is one of those teams that might be good enough to make the NCAA Tournament without the aut-bid. I don't think they're good enough to beat a top ten team on the road, but they're better than what most probably realize.

I think they’ll keep it close… hoping they keep it 14 points or less.

[Lloyd Braun]

I think they’ll keep it close… hoping they keep it 14 points or less.

Or not

[xubrew]

Or not

After falling down by more than 20, Buffalo has come back and been as close as 6. I don’t think they’ll pull it out, but they are a good team.

[Lloyd Braun]

Or not

Or so

[Lloyd Braun]

After falling down by more than 20, Buffalo has come back and been as close as 6. I don’t think they’ll pull it out, but they are a good team.

If you follow the degenerate gambling thread you will see a pattern of reverse jinxing going on that is (still) undefeated.

[Lloyd Braun]

James Madison won by 95 points tonight.

[Xuperman]

In another stupid college basketball move, #2 vs #4 begins at 1130pm eat on Friday night. Brilliant.

Obviously, not much attempt to accommodate east coast eyeballs in this marquee matchup......nice work ESPN.

[Xuperman]

Just noticed Nebraska let Western Illinois beat them in their building.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401372146

Wilcher has positioned himself to start and log alot of minutes. He didn't do anything special to change the outcome in this one, but the Huskers are such a dumpster fire that he will continue to be given ample opportunity to improve.

Damir Bishop is going in the opposite direction at St Joe. Starting to look like even A10 competition is too much for him. One of the most painful 3 point shooters I've witnessed in some time.

Dontarious James was tearing it up for Jacksonville last year, but for some reason he transferred again to Howard. He must be hurt because he did not play in either of their first 2 games.

[xubrew]

In another stupid college basketball move, #2 vs #4 begins at 1130pm eat on Friday night. Brilliant.


Obviously, not much attempt to accommodate east coast eyeballs in this marquee matchup......nice work ESPN.

If there was a college basketball commissioner that had the power to decide who teams would play and when they'd play, that would in a lot of ways make the game more interesting to fans. But...there isn't. Unless it's a conference game, teams can avoid playing other teams altogether if they so choose. Or, they can refuse to play at any other time other than one that's selfishly convenient for them.

College basketball and college football might be the only two sports on the planet where a good team who wants to play other good teams isn't always able to do it because those other good teams don't want to play them, and don't have to. That really isn't good for college basketball, but unfortunately that's just the way it is. I remember when Stephen F Austin couldn't get a game in the state of Texas. I believe they actually posted an ad on the Basketball Traveler's scheduling website that read "We will play on the road against any power conference team in the states of Texas or Oklahoma for free!" They still couldn't get a game. Boise State's football team (different sport, but same problem) had a big time school (I think Nebraska) buy out of a game. Boise offered to come to their place and play them anyway for no money. Nebraska didn't want to. At the end of the year, everyone said Boise didn't belong in the BCS because they didn't play anybody.

A LOT of games that should be scheduled are not scheduled. A lot of games that are scheduled are scheduled at crappy times. A lot of really good teams can't get other good teams to play them. I agree. That's not good. The sport would be better, and probably more popular in the months of November and December, if that weren't the case.

[xubrew]

I thought the Missouri Valley was going to be fantastic this year, and that they could send as many as four teams to the NCAA Tournament. I thought Northern Iowa could be one of those teams. I no longer think that.

[xudash]

Creighton down 2 at the half against Kenesaw Mountain.

[Lloyd Braun]

I had UC Riverside +9.5 and moneyline tonight and holy shit! Shades of Dante Jackson!

[Lloyd Braun]

Buzzer beater finish (https://twitter.com/yahoosports/status/1459002622602448901?s=21)

[GoMuskies]

Sweet!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Buzzer beater finish (https://twitter.com/yahoosports/status/1459002622602448901?s=21)

Wow! That is awesome.

[paulxu]

Wofford almost got to Clempson tonight, but their 3's just didn't fall.

Meanwhile, Furman beats Louisville.

[Xville]

Firman beat Louisville? Lol that’s hilarious! Too bad Mack wasn’t there to witness it :(

[HAAS_U]

I saw that Furman vs Louisville score after I got home from the X game. Hilarious.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wofford almost got to Clempson tonight, but their 3's just didn't fall.

Meanwhile, Furman beats Louisville.


Firman beat Louisville? Lol that’s hilarious! Too bad Mack wasn’t there to witness it :(

Hate to see it!

[xubrew]

Louisville looked somewhere between bad and mediocre against Southern, and I remember thinking that if they played like that against Furman, they'd lose. They did, and they lost. Louisville may just stink this year.

[Xville]

Amazing game between UCLA and nova last night…too bad no one saw it or even knew it was on. College basketball needs better governance.

[bobbiemcgee]

Missed the layup for the win...arrgh

[Lloyd Braun]

Amazing game between UCLA and nova last night…too bad no one saw it or even knew it was on. College basketball needs better governance.

I had Nova moneyline unfortunately. “Fell asleep” when they were up 10 and woke up to bad news. I dislike Mick a lot.

[xubrew]

Amazing game between UCLA and nova last night…too bad no one saw it or even knew it was on. College basketball needs better governance.

What do you recommend?

[xubrew]

Chicago State is 2-0, and they’ve beaten two D1 teams (albeit one was a transitional team). I don’t remember the last time that happened.

[Xville]

What do you recommend?

Wild suggestion but not have a top 5 matchup on at 1130est. Another one on tonight at 1030.

[xubrew]

Wild suggestion but not have a top 5 matchup on at 1130est. Another one on tonight at 1030.

Okay, you said that better governance was needed. Do you think the NCAA should be able to mandate what time games tip off?

[Xville]

Okay, you said that better governance was needed. Do you think the NCAA should be able to mandate what time games tip off?

I think for betterment of the game outside of March something needs to happen to make sure that top 5 games aren’t on at 1130 at night

[xubrew]

I think for betterment of the game outside of March something needs to happen to make sure that top 5 games aren’t on at 1130 at night

You’re not wrong, but I don’t know what that ‘something’ is that can be done. Things like that have always been, and likely always will be, outside the scope of any governance. Teams can decide whatever time they want to play, and for whatever reason (probably TV) that’s what time they wanted it to start.

[noteggs]

UD loses to Umass-Lowell. Hate to see a fine program lose a team that is rated 276 on Kenpom.

[paulxu]

UD loses to Umass-Lowell. Hate to see a fine program lose a team that is rated 276 on Kenpom.

Hah!

[xubrew]

UD loses to Umass-Lowell. Hate to see a fine program lose a team that is rated 276 on Kenpom.

To be fair, UMass Lowell is probably still better than UMass.

[noteggs]

To be fair, UMass Lowell is probably still better than UMass.

Guess we’ll see when the A10 season comes around

[xudash]

Does this affect VD’s pre-season anointed champion status?

What a bunch of losers.

[xubrew]

Guess we’ll see when the A10 season comes around

UMass was just blown out by Yale. UMass Lowell is 2-0 and just won at Dayton. I mean, I know it’s a long season, but right now UMass seems to stink and Lowell might actually be halfway decent.

[xudash]

UMass was just blown out by Yale. UMass Lowell is 2-0 and just won at Dayton. I mean, I know it’s a long season, but right now UMass seems to stink and Lowell might actually be halfway decent.

When you are an unaccomplished mid major and you are trying to elevate your program into a better conference, this is one thing you absolutely cannot afford to have happen.

#HUMILIATED_VD

[xubrew]

GW is losing to UC San Diego, who is a transitional team. The A10 is reaching some new depths this weekend!

[GoMuskies]

Gonzaga is currently murdering Texas.

[xubrew]

Gonzaga is currently murdering Texas.

Texas had a good team last year, and all their starters are back! They’ve got tons of talent! They’ve also got a new coach in Chris Beard, who is a FANTASTIC coach!

The problem is Beard’s style is completely different, and it actually doesn’t seem to quite fit for the players that are there. I mean…again…it’s the fifth day, and they are playing Gonzaga, but it seems like the square-peg-round-hole analogy. It just doesn’t seem to fit.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Texas had a good team last year, and all their starters are back! They’ve got tons of talent! They’ve also got a new coach in Chris Beard, who is a FANTASTIC coach!

The problem is Beard’s style is completely different, and it actually doesn’t seem to quite fit for the players that are there. I mean…again…it’s the fifth day, and they are playing Gonzaga, but it seems like the square-peg-round-hole analogy. It just doesn’t seem to fit.

They have a lot of transfers too right? They got like 3 of the top 10 transfers on the market and 4 of the top 30 or something.

[XUGRAD80]

Went to the UC game last night. They are a better team than I thought they might be. Their bigs move much better than the 8nes they had the last couple of years.

[xubrew]

Went to the UC game last night. They are a better team than I thought they might be. Their bigs move much better than the 8nes they had the last couple of years.

They may be a better team, but Georgia is a craptacular team.

[xubrew]

Shout out to Saint Thomas!! They won their first ever D1 game as a D1 team last night when they beat Saint Francis Brooklyn. Saint Thomas is transitioning up from D3 (not D2) which isn't technically allowed, but they were given a waiver by the NCAA because whatever conference they played in in D3 kicked them out, and no D2 conference really wanted them either, so the Summit League said they'd take them. They lost their opener to Chicago State, who is one of the worst teams in D1, so it looked very possible that they may go winless. But...they won yesterday.

[XUGRAD80]

They may be a better team, but Georgia is a craptacular team.

Agreed, Georgia is pretty bad. Just saying that UC seems to have a better and deeper roster than they have had the last couple of years. Based on what I saw, they are vastly improved in the front court. The players are much more mobile and athletic.

[bjf123]

Texas had a good team last year, and all their starters are back! They’ve got tons of talent! They’ve also got a new coach in Chris Beard, who is a FANTASTIC coach!

The problem is Beard’s style is completely different, and it actually doesn’t seem to quite fit for the players that are there. I mean…again…it’s the fifth day, and they are playing Gonzaga, but it seems like the square-peg-round-hole analogy. It just doesn’t seem to fit.

Coach Beard? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211114/7f4d51dede10ec143ad7d6f6f60a7c3f.jpg


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[Xville]

Gonzaga is really good. Timme to me is one of the most annoying college basketball players I have ever seen and I wish someone would deck the guy and put him on his ass. He celebrates every damn time he scores. I was never so happy than to see them get obliterated last year by a physical athletic Baylor team.

[xubrew]

Coach Beard? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211114/7f4d51dede10ec143ad7d6f6f60a7c3f.jpg


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dos a cero!!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Gonzaga is really good. Timme to me is one of the most annoying college basketball players I have ever seen and I wish someone would deck the guy and put him on his ass. He celebrates every damn time he scores. I was never so happy than to see them get obliterated last year by a physical athletic Baylor team.

Timme is unbearable. Literally every basket is like he won the national championship.

[JTG]

Timme is unbearable. Literally every basket is like he won the national championship.
If Gonzaga goes Big East they will instantly become most hated team in the league. I guarontee....

[GoMuskies]

Is there any league where the best team isn't the most hated? Maybe the Big East now due to some unusual circumstances where we really needed a best team to gain cred, but it's a pretty natural occurrence.

[JTG]

Is there any league where the best team isn't the most hated? Maybe the Big East now due to some unusual circumstances where we really needed a best team to gain cred, but it's a pretty natural occurrence.
Maybe it's just me, but I admire Nova. I still think the Zags won't be the darlings when they're not playing 18 stiffs every season. Let em get roughed up 4 or 5 times in conference play and see how cocky they are.

[xudash]

I have been in and out of the Marquette game. Talk about frustrating: on 2 straight possessions they come down and chuck 3’s and clank them.

[XU_Lou]

Illinois just had one of the worst series of possessions / ball handling / melt downs that I think I've ever seen. And they're ranked 10th.

[Xville]

Good win for Marquette and the big East. Shaka isn’t perfect, but I think he’s a big upgrade over wojo.

[xudash]

And now we are treated to watching Davison from Whiskey. #DOUCHE.

[bobbiemcgee]

illini 26 to's

[D-West & PO-Z]

Good win for Marquette and the big East. Shaka isn’t perfect, but I think he’s a big upgrade over wojo.

Yeah, agreed. Wojo was a good recruiter but an awful coach it seemed. Let's hope our coach doesnt follow the Wojo path.

[xubrew]

Illinois is a little beat up right now. Once they're back at full strength they'll be a lot closer to what we saw last year. Still, a really nice win for Marquette!

[Xville]

Really looking forward to the hall-Michigan game tonight..big boy basketball literally. Hoping Seton Hall can make it a good game and preferably pull off the upset, but we shall see.

[bleedXblue]

Ive heard some folks really like Providence this year. I simply dont see it.......

Watson is a load, but after that his supporting cast looks thin

[xubrew]

Fordham beat Saint Thomas last night. By 6. Saint Thomas is technically a D1 transitional team, but they are practically a D3 team. Not D2, but D3!!

The long running awfulness of Fordham is really quite remarkable. You'd think that just based on their location and the buy-in that they seemingly have from their alumni on an institutional level that they'd at least be good every now and then even if it were just by accident. But...it's not just that Fordham is never good. It's that they almost always stink! Like...they're outside of the top 250 more than they're inside it. If Fordham played in the Patriot League or the MAAC, they'd almost never finish in the top half of it. If Fordham played in the Northeast Conference, they'd probably be one of the 8 teams out of 10 that makes the conference tournament most of the time. HOW THE HELL ARE THEY SO BAD!!???

You hear people say that Calipari is overrated as a bench coach and that he just wins because of his talent. They also seem to think that anyone could win as much as he does if they had those kinds of players. I don't think that's true. What I do think is true is that anyone, and I mean just about ANYONE, could be hired at Fordham as the sport admin for basketball, and find a way to at least finish in the top 250 most of the time. The fact that they suck as bad as they do as often as they do is quite amazing. When Xavier was in the A10, they drove me crazy. Fordham was both a poison and a parasite. They used to play buy games, and I believe they still do. But in those buy games...THEY ARE THE ROAD TEAM!!! Not that it really matters. They'd probably lose no matter who they were playing. But, they did beat a D3 team last night!! By 6!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Speaking of the A10, what Mark Schmidt has done at St. Bonaventure is pretty impressive, no?

They have finished top 5 in A10 each of the last 6 years, including two 1st place finishes and a 2nd place finish and are expected to win the league this year. He has them in the top 25 again this year. He looks poised to take them to tournament for the 3rd time in the last 5 years.

I know the A10 isn't what it used to be but I don't know how he gets anyone to go play there!

[paulxu]

Went to see Wofford play last night. Always a joy as they are a pure example of team basketball. Constant motion offense, very unselfish.
They play pressure defense, and always push on a missed basket by the other team. Always. It's just a fun basketball experience.
Looked at the video boards and saw this:
https://erskinesports.com/common/controls/image_handler.aspx?thumb_id=0&image_path=/images/2018/11/14/Fleet_Head_200x200.png

Said to friends...they're playing Dayton? What the....?
Turns out the Erskine "Flying Fleet" has had that logo/name since the 1920's. Originally they were the "Seceders." (Shades of the old South)
Anyway, I think UD stole the idea.

[xubrew]

Speaking of the A10, what Mark Schmidt has done at St. Bonaventure is pretty impressive, no?

They have finished top 5 in A10 each of the last 6 years, including two 1st place finishes and a 2nd place finish and are expected to win the league this year. He has them in the top 25 again this year. He looks poised to take them to tournament for the 3rd time in the last 5 years.

I know the A10 isn't what it used to be but I don't know how he gets anyone to go play there!

Seemingly every season there is a team from the Mountain West, Atlantic Ten, or American that that's good enough to be better than everyone else in the conference. They just keep winning and winning, and as that happens their ranking gets higher and higher as the teams from P5 conferences kind of beat up on each other, and by the end of the season they're in the top ten. Sometimes those teams legitimately are top ten teams, but not always even though they get ranked that high. A few years ago, I think Nevada finished 7th, and even thought that Nevada team was really good, I remember thinking that anyone who actually thought they were the 7th best team in the nation needed their head examined.

This year, I think there are two teams that fit that description. Saint Bonaventure is one of them, and Colorado State is the other. Both will likely be ranked super high before the season is over. Now, having said that, I was super big on the Bonnies coming into the year, but they've kinda played with their food in their first two games, and neither was against a team that was any good. They did manage to win both, but it didn't exactly scream "top 25 team!!"

[noteggs]

Fordham beat Saint Thomas last night. By 6. Saint Thomas is technically a D1 transitional team, but they are practically a D3 team. Not D2, but D3!!

The long running awfulness of Fordham is really quite remarkable. You'd think that just based on their location and the buy-in that they seemingly have from their alumni on an institutional level that they'd at least be good every now and then even if it were just by accident. But...it's not just that Fordham is never good. It's that they almost always stink! Like...they're outside of the top 250 more than they're inside it. If Fordham played in the Patriot League or the MAAC, they'd almost never finish in the top half of it. If Fordham played in the Northeast Conference, they'd probably be one of the 8 teams out of 10 that makes the conference tournament most of the time. HOW THE HELL ARE THEY SO BAD!!???

You hear people say that Calipari is overrated as a bench coach and that he just wins because of his talent. They also seem to think that anyone could win as much as he does if they had those kinds of players. I don't think that's true. What I do think is true is that anyone, and I mean just about ANYONE, could be hired at Fordham as the sport admin for basketball, and find a way to at least finish in the top 250 most of the time. The fact that they suck as bad as they do as often as they do is quite amazing. When Xavier was in the A10, they drove me crazy. Fordham was both a poison and a parasite. They used to play buy games, and I believe they still do. But in those buy games...THEY ARE THE ROAD TEAM!!! Not that it really matters. They'd probably lose no matter who they were playing. But, they did beat a D3 team last night!! By 6!!

Agree 100% on Fordham especially when X was in the A10. I can hear their defenders now “yea but if you go back to 1970, we were 24-2 and went to sweet 16 (courtesy of 29 year old head coach Digger Phelps).” Only team that can top this line of thinking is that shit program 5 miles away. We all know what happened 60 years ago!

[bleedXblue]

Fordham beat Saint Thomas last night. By 6. Saint Thomas is technically a D1 transitional team, but they are practically a D3 team. Not D2, but D3!!

The long running awfulness of Fordham is really quite remarkable. You'd think that just based on their location and the buy-in that they seemingly have from their alumni on an institutional level that they'd at least be good every now and then even if it were just by accident. But...it's not just that Fordham is never good. It's that they almost always stink! Like...they're outside of the top 250 more than they're inside it. If Fordham played in the Patriot League or the MAAC, they'd almost never finish in the top half of it. If Fordham played in the Northeast Conference, they'd probably be one of the 8 teams out of 10 that makes the conference tournament most of the time. HOW THE HELL ARE THEY SO BAD!!???

You hear people say that Calipari is overrated as a bench coach and that he just wins because of his talent. They also seem to think that anyone could win as much as he does if they had those kinds of players. I don't think that's true. What I do think is true is that anyone, and I mean just about ANYONE, could be hired at Fordham as the sport admin for basketball, and find a way to at least finish in the top 250 most of the time. The fact that they suck as bad as they do as often as they do is quite amazing. When Xavier was in the A10, they drove me crazy. Fordham was both a poison and a parasite. They used to play buy games, and I believe they still do. But in those buy games...THEY ARE THE ROAD TEAM!!! Not that it really matters. They'd probably lose no matter who they were playing. But, they did beat a D3 team last night!! By 6!!

Clearly you have never been to Bronx, NY LOL

[xubrew]

Clearly you have never been to Bronx, NY LOL

It's in NYC! You can recruit about a hundred D1 caliber players with a bicycle!

[GoMuskies]

Fordham has a beautiful campus in a very nice part of the Bronx.

[Xville]

My brother went to Fordham. Campus is not in a place any worse than Xavier, and it’s NYC. The problem is their facilities which resemble a high school at best.

[xubrew]

Memphis v Saint Louis is one of the better games of the night, so of course it’s only being streamed.

[xubrew]

Hofstra and Iona are playing right now, and it's rather obvious that both of them would absolutely kick the shit out of Fordham.

[Xville]

Memphis v Saint Louis is one of the better games of the night, so of course it’s only being streamed.

Ugh my anger with college basketball scheduling continues. Oh well, I’ll watch gsw vs Brooklyn until the hall-Michigan game. I’d invite anyone who has an issue with the nba to turn that game on. The skill level is absolutely insane.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Memphis v Saint Louis is one of the better games of the night, so of course it’s only being streamed.

Billikens lost their best player for the year in a damn exhibition game. Gut wrenching. Didn't get a chance to watch but not surprised they couldn't pull it out. With that injury they lost their 3 best players from a pretty good team last year (one that should have easily been a tourney team but was heavily disrupted by COVID).

[xu82]

Fordham has a beautiful campus in a very nice part of the Bronx.

Didn’t they used to have a commercial during BE games about this is our school, and NYC is our campus. Forget the details, but it was a good commercial.

[noteggs]

Billikens lost their best player for the year in a damn exhibition game. Gut wrenching. Didn't get a chance to watch but not surprised they couldn't pull it out. With that injury they lost their 3 best players from a pretty good team last year (one that should have easily been a tourney team but was heavily disrupted by COVID).

Remember, covid is no excuse!

Sorry heard this on the board, but agree because it affected teams differently.

[MHettel]

Stop bashing Fordham.

You must not remember the Bob Hill era.

[xubrew]

Stop bashing Fordham.

You must not remember the Bob Hill era.

Of course we do. They're still not any better.

[xubrew]

I want Seton Hall to win this so I can point out that as much as everyone gushed over the Big Ten in the preseason that up until now I'm pretty sure the only games any teams won have been buy games.

[xubrew]

I want Seton Hall to win this so I can point out that as much as everyone gushed over the Big Ten in the preseason that up until now I'm pretty sure the only games any teams won have been buy games.

I'm glad Seton Hall won!! It allows me to point out that as much as everyone gushed over the Big Ten in the preseason that up until now I'm pretty sure the only games any teams have won have been buy games.

[Lloyd Braun]

I’m very happy for all the out of conference games at the Big East is winning, especially against the Big Ten. That said, I’d be shocked if X finishes in the top 3 of the conference. Perhaps this is a bit of an overreaction… As a season is in fact a lifetime but these Muskies have a long way to go. Need to find an identity.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I’m very happy for all the out of conference games at the Big East is winning, especially against the Big Ten. That said, I’d be shocked if X finishes in the top 3 of the conference. Perhaps this is a bit of an overreaction… As a season is in fact a lifetime but these Muskies have a long way to go. Need to find an identity.

I think we will know a lot more about this team by 9:00pm Thursday night.

Not to say whatever happens we can't improve or different things can't happen (especially given some of the guys out) but there is still enough talent to win the game. At the very least be competitive.

[bobbiemcgee]

Lipscomb hammered VD 78-59 on their home floor. Pathetic.

[Xavgrad08]

Dayton gets drilled by 21 at home by Lipsscomb.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dayton gets drilled by 21 at home by Lipsscomb.


Lipscomb hammered VD 78-59 on their home floor. Pathetic.

Jinx

[XUBison]

No matter who reports it, UDump is terrible.

[xubrew]

I think Dayton will win ten games this year. Maybe. They look like what they are. A young team that isn't used to playing together and isn't used to playing good D1 teams.

To be fair, Lipscomb is pretty good. I don't say that to defend Dayton, but rather to give a shout out to Lipscomb. UMass Lowell (probably isn't), but before the season started I would have said this would be a tough one for UD. I didn't expect them to be behind by 20 late in the second half, but they are actually a fairly decent team, and Ahsan Asadullah has the attention of some pro scouts.

[xubrew]

The Big East is eating the Big Ten’s lunch, and they’re doing it without Nova or UConn.

[Lloyd Braun]

This DePaul Rutgers game is bananas

[muskiefan82]

This DePaul Rutgers game is bananas

And yet even DePaul managed to win their game against the Big10. 6-2 in Gavitt. Damn near 7-1 and Villanova and UConn weren't involved. That is well done

[XUOWNSUC]

That was our first series win in the Gavitt games. The big ten now leads the series 2–1-3. Game-wise it is dead even I believe.

[paulxu]

Clempson is 7th in the nation at 3pt % at 48 %.
St Bonaventure just beat them by shooting 58%.

If we don't improve our 3 pt percentage (last in the BE) we will not have a really good season.
Somehow we've got to recruit shooters who can do it at the D1 level.

[JTG]

Clempson is 7th in the nation at 3pt % at 48 %.
St Bonaventure just beat them by shooting 58%.

If we don't improve our 3 pt percentage (last in the BE) we will not have a really good season.
Somehow we've got to recruit shooters who can do it at the D1 level.

Butler and Creighton have always had 3 pt shooters. Where has it gotten them in the last 5 years ? But I agree we need to get better. It has to be scheme or mechanics or both. Put them in the spot to succeed and find a shooting coach.

[Section 200]

Trouble in cryer land today - 3rd straight loss (UMass Lowell, Lipscomb, Austin Peay) ouch

[bobbiemcgee]

Insult to Injury they were all buy games and close to or sub 300.

[waggy]

Marquette playing very well. Beat WVU yesterday.

[noteggs]

Wild, DePaul’s crowd this year looks like covid restricted last year. Know they also have special events (like most schools) at Wintrust, but has to be a revenue loser for the city of Chicago.

[XUBison]

Trouble in cryer land today - 3rd straight loss (UMass Lowell, Lipscomb, Austin Peay) ouch

UDump is even more terribler.

[XUBison]

Butler and Creighton have always had 3 pt shooters. Where has it gotten them in the last 5 years ? But I agree we need to get better. It has to be scheme or mechanics or both. Put them in the spot to succeed and find a shooting coach.

I don’t know, Creighton’s been pretty damn good the past couple years. I mean, they were percentage points behind Nova for the BE regular season championship last year, and they went to the S-16 , I think for the first time ever. I know that doesn’t quite meet the Steele standard, but not everyone can be as prolific at bricking 3s as we are, try as hard as they might.

[XUBison]

Insult to Injury they were all buy games and close to or sub 300.

UDump had the best player in the country and was minutes away from a 1 seed before covid shut down the world. Now, fast forward less than two short years later, and they resemble something akin to a team comprised of one-legged 6th-grade blind girls. Fate can be so cruel and so wonderful, all at the same time.

[UCGRAD4X]

UDump is even more terribler.

I couldn't not have said it more better myself...and me.

[xubrew]

Insult to Injury they were all buy games and close to or sub 300.

Two of the three. Lipscomb is pretty good (by under the radar standards).

[xubrew]

Marquette playing very well. Beat WVU yesterday.

Marquette with two big wins already. Every year there’s a team that starts off unranked that plays well in these early November classics, or tournaments, or whatever, and catapults into the rankings. Marquette is that team this year. The game tonight against Saint Bonaventure should be really good.

[paulxu]

Marquette is getting embarrassed.

[GoMuskies]

Good for Mark Schmidt!

[xubrew]

Good for Mark Schmidt!

I like Mark Schmidt, and Saint Bonaventure being one of the teams from the A10/AAC/MWC group that always gets ranked in the top ten every year (partly by default as P5 teams knock off each other and they just keep moving up), then that is probably a good storyline for the sport!

But...couldn't it have been someone other than Marquette that got clobbered by them??

[xubrew]

That's my prediction....

Colorado State and Saint Bonaventure will be ranked super high by the end of the year. Probably in the top ten. I don't think either team is one of the ten best teams in the country, but based on how the rankings work and how their schedules are laid out, I think they'll be that high by the end.

[XUGRAD80]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32691063/gonzaga-bulldogs-ucla-bruins-hold-top-poll-spots-ap-men-basketball-poll-ahead-showdown

Xavier checks in at #25 this week

[UCGRAD4X]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32691063/gonzaga-bulldogs-ucla-bruins-hold-top-poll-spots-ap-men-basketball-poll-ahead-showdown

Xavier checks in at #25 this week

Keep Winning = Keep Climbing

[xubrew]

The Drexel vs Tulane game at the Nassau Championship is delayed because the ceiling is falling down. God I love exempt tournaments!!!

[xubrew]

Fordham is actually ahead of Akron at the Gulf Coast Showcase!! Akron is good! They really are! With that being said, the name of this event is still a very liberal use of the word "Showcase."

[paulxu]

Jeez, Butler opens the game with Houston on the wrong end of a 17-0 run.

[Xville]

Uc up 11 against the Illini who has cockburn back. Wes has uc playing well.

This Ohio state-seton hall game has been excellent

[xavierj]

Uc up 11 against the Illini who has cockburn back. Wes has uc playing well.

This Ohio state-seton hall game has been excellent

He does. Must have figured out they just needed to stop Cockburn. They were down 8 early then changed up the defense and went in a huge run.

[drudy23]

He does. Must have figured out they just needed to stop Cockburn. They were down 8 early then changed up the defense and went in a huge run.

They were down 15 early - outscored them by 38 since.

[paulxu]

Sorry to see Seton Hall lose to the Luckeyes.
I've decided I really don't like OSU and all the sleeve tattoos. (yes, I'm old)
Does Kunkel have tattoos on his legs?

[XUGRAD80]

UC just won over #14 Illinois 71-51. Illinois went 0-18 from 3 during a stretch. Ouch. Live by the 3…die by the 3.

[xubrew]

UC just won over #14 Illinois 71-51. Illinois went 0-18 from 3 during a stretch. Ouch. Live by the 3…die by the 3.

Illinois led 23-8 at one point.

[xubrew]

At the Nassau Championship in the Bahamas yesterday, the roof was leaking in the ballroom they had rented for the tournament, and then it started to fall down. I cannot tell you how much fun it was just to type that first sentence!! But...it gets better!!!

They decided to move the tournament to another ballroom. So, they went to where the practice floor was, but it was too small for anyone other than the teams and coaches to fit. The cameras could not get in there, and neither could the dozens of fans who made the trip. So they ended up finishing the day of games in a small empty ballroom with a few folding chairs.

GOD I LOVE EXEMPT TOURNAMENTS!!!

[X Factor]

Watched some of the Gonzaga game last night. Drew Timme easily wins the award for "Most Punchable Face" in college basketball this year. Freshman Chet Holmgren is ultra-talented, but geez, his twig legs scare me every time he runs or jumps. Those things look like they're ready to snap. He makes a young Kevin Durant look like Shaq when it comes to weight and strength.

[Xville]

UCLA-Gonzaga game tonight should be a good one, hoping I can stay awake for the 10pm tip. Completely concur on Timme---he's basically Laettner without actually being tough.

[bjf123]

Freshman Chet Holmgren is ultra-talented, but geez, his twig legs scare me every time he runs or jumps. Those things look like they're ready to snap.

My late brother-in-law called those “lucky legs”. You’re lucky they don’t break off and stick you in the ass.


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[xubrew]

Virginia is making Providence look like a team that’s playing against Virginia.

[MADXSTER]

Virginia is making Providence look like a team that’s playing against Virginia.
I think Colby Jones, Jerome Hunter, and Ben Stanley could have a great game against Providence. Providence doesn't seem to handle forwards with good ball handling skills.

[xu82]

Virginia is making Providence look like a team that’s playing against Virginia.

That can be a very unpleasant look.

[xubrew]

Hats off to UCLA. They are doing a fantastic job containing Drew Timme tonight! Just 1-for-5 in the first half. Of course…they’re not containing anyone else and are down by 20 in the first half, BUT THEY ARE NOT LETTING TIMME BEAT THEM!!!

[Xville]

UConn is going to steal steeles lunch and give him a wedgie twice this year. I think they are probably the class of the big East this year and yeah I know they just lost.

[xubrew]

That might be the most shocking and stupefying result since Evansville won at Kentucky a few years back.

[GoMuskies]

Just watched Dook/Gonzaga, and those two are just playing a different sport than us (and basically everyone else). Humbling.

[GIMMFD]

Just watched Dook/Gonzaga, and those two are just playing a different sport than us (and basically everyone else). Humbling.

Banchero is the real deal, weirdly hit Duke ML at +270 yesterday randomly.

[xubrew]

Illinois didn't have too much trouble with Notre Dame last night. Brian Kelly took the loss kind of hard, though! I mean...SHEESH!!!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Who the hell is Tarleton and how did they keep it to single digits against Gonzaga???

[Xville]

Who the hell is Tarleton and how did they keep it to single digits against Gonzaga???

ha i thought the exact same thing when i saw the box score this morning. Then I was thinking, well maybe none of their starters played or played sparingly...nope Timme, Nembhard, Holmgreen all played almost 30 minutes....so confused lol

[D-West & PO-Z]

ha i thought the exact same thing when i saw the box score this morning. Then I was thinking, well maybe none of their starters played or played sparingly...nope Timme, Nembhard, Holmgreen all played almost 30 minutes....so confused lol

It was a 4 point game with just over 5 mins left. Nuts!

[xubrew]

Who the hell is Tarleton and how did they keep it to single digits against Gonzaga???

They're a transitional team that was fairly decent in D2. Billy Gillispie is actually their coach. They played well!

[Xville]

They're a transitional team that was fairly decent in D2. Billy Gillispie is actually their coach. They played well!

Holy crap Gillespie is still alive? Was wondering what happened to that guy. That’s awesome.

[xubrew]

Butler must just really stink...

[D-West & PO-Z]

C'mon OSU!

It's amazing bc I started watching around 8 mins left and OSU was down 12 with around 7 mins left and Liddell has not been a focal point on offense and OSU is still coming back.

[D-West & PO-Z]

C'mon OSU!

It's amazing bc I started watching around 8 mins left and OSU was down 12 with around 7 mins left and Liddell has not been a focal point on offense and OSU is still coming back.

Until that shot!

[Xuperman]

Just watched Dook/Gonzaga, and those two are just playing a different sport than us (and basically everyone else). Humbling.

And I guess Ohio State!

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32758958/ohio-state-shuts-no-1-duke-final-minutes-rallies-pull-upset

Evidently our beloved Musketeers pass muster, if you connect the dots!

[XUBison]

Butler must just really stink...

Probably, but they do have loads of injuries.

[paulxu]

Under the old RPI formula, we have risen to #2 with a SOS of #1.
Iowa State is a quadrant 1 loss under RPI, but a quadrant 4 loss under the NET (although that hasn't been updated.)
OSU game was big for us.

[xubrew]

I don't know why they don't just update the NET from the very beginning.

Well, okay, I DO know why. It's because like any metric for any sport, it's very scattershot at the beginning and they just don't want to deal with the moronicness of so many people being overly critical of it until there is enough data for it to become a practical resource. I'm not making that up. That actually is the reason.

But...that's a stupid reason!! Just let people be morons, and call them morons when they're being morons. For whatever reason, I actually like watching metrics take shape. I know they're way out of whack right out of the gate, but I still find them interesting to look at. But..that's just me. And, I guess it really doesn't matter too much. Whatever it is when they release it for the first time is what it would have been anyway.

The committee actually can see it right now, though. They can see it from the first day of the season. So...they are running it. They just aren't releasing it to the public yet.

[paulxu]

Maybe they don't want anyone to completely reverse-engineer it the way the RPI was finally figured out.

[xubrew]

Maybe they don't want anyone to completely reverse-engineer it the way the RPI was finally figured out.

Hmmm....Maybe??

So far as I know they just always flat out told everybody how to calculate the RPI, and whenever they made changes to it they just told everyone what the changes were. I think I even remember when they changed it from 1/3rd-1/3rd-1/3rd to 25-50-25. It was always 7th grade level math.

As for the NET, I don't think they've really kept it a secret so much as it's just that it is extremely complex compared to the RPI. Even if they were to explain exactly how to do it, most people wouldn't understand it. Of those who did understand it, it would be rather difficult to replicate and update every day because offensive and defensive efficiency are a part of it. You'd need to look at every box score and determine the number of possessions each team had for every single game they played. That's a lot more work than just plugging in who won or lost a game. I just don't think anyone really wants to do that.

[paulxu]

Oh, there are definitely guys out there with good Excel spread sheets with formulas that would keep up.
I just think it's crazy to keep one or two parts of the formula secret, like it's the cure for some disease.
And I think I remember they only update once a week when they finally start...but could be remembering wrong.
It's seems like a long time since we've had a regular basketball season.

[bobbiemcgee]

Under the old RPI formula, we have risen to #2 with a SOS of #1.
Iowa State is a quadrant 1 loss under RPI, but a quadrant 4 loss under the NET (although that hasn't been updated.)
OSU game was big for us.

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/schedule/Xavier

[Xville]

Memphis might just suck…they are currently losing to Georgia and not in football

[SM#24]

FINAL. 1 2 T
Washington St. 6-1 18 33 51
Arizona St. 2-6 10 19 29
TEMPE, AZ

29 points for Bobby Hurley’s Sun Devils…at home…against Wash St. Wow !

[D-West & PO-Z]

FINAL. 1 2 T
Washington St. 6-1 18 33 51
Arizona St. 2-6 10 19 29
TEMPE, AZ

29 points for Bobby Hurley’s Sun Devils…at home…against Wash St. Wow !

A little trivia:

Anyone know what team has the record for lowest score in a game in the shot clock era and how many points they scored?

[JTG]

A little trivia:

Anyone know what team has the record for lowest score in a game in the shot clock era and how many points they scored?
Don't know the score but UC/UK.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Don't know the score but UC/UK.

Neither of them, no.

[GoMuskies]

Don't know the score but UC/UK.

That Tony Yates stall game was pre-shot clock.

[GoMuskies]

OK State has now lost to Oakland and Wichita State at home. Here's hoping the Muskies are #3 on Sunday!

[Xville]

So Memphis lost to 3-6 Georgia who is expected to be dead last in the sec. I think we can stop propping up Iowa state for beating them badly now.

[bjf123]

That Tony Yates stall game was pre-shot clock.

And was probably the reason for implementing the shot clock.


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[Xville]

A little trivia:

Anyone know what team has the record for lowest score in a game in the shot clock era and how many points they scored?

Please let the answer be dayton

[XUGRAD80]

Virginia Tech over Maryland. I remember reading in the preseason that Maryland was supposed to be a sleeper team this year, so that victory over VT continues to be a good one.

[muskiefan82]

A little trivia:

Anyone know what team has the record for lowest score in a game in the shot clock era and how many points they scored?

Wasn't it Virginia Tech? I think I remember that. It wasn't that long ago.

[Lloyd Braun]

A little trivia:

Anyone know what team has the record for lowest score in a game in the shot clock era and how many points they scored?

I remember Princeton was in a pretty low scoring output awhile ago. Would imagine low 20s would be the record… if it’s under 20 that’s pretty bad though I remember one team (Eastern Michigan or Eastern Washington?) scored 4 points in a half a few years ago so maybe it’s them.

[xavierj]

So Memphis lost to 3-6 Georgia who is expected to be dead last in the sec. I think we can stop propping up Iowa state for beating them badly now.

Iowa State also beat at a good Xavier team and didn’t just beat Memphis, but destroyed them. Iowa State is now 7-0 and clearly much better than they have been. With that said Xavier still should beat them in my opinion and that clearly was not a great game by Xavier, which the circumstances also had something to do with it.

[Xville]

Iowa State also beat at a good Xavier team and didn’t just beat Memphis, but destroyed them. Iowa State is now 7-0 and clearly much better than they have been. With that said Xavier still should beat them in my opinion and that clearly was not a great game by Xavier, which the circumstances also had something to do with it.

Not saying Iowa state isn’t a good team, I just think pointing to the Memphis win is kind of silly just because they were ranked in the preseason so high. It will be interesting to see Iowa state in conference and the game against creighton this weekend

[D-West & PO-Z]

Please let the answer be dayton


Wasn't it Virginia Tech? I think I remember that. It wasn't that long ago.


I remember Princeton was in a pretty low scoring output awhile ago. Would imagine low 20s would be the record… if it’s under 20 that’s pretty bad though I remember one team (Eastern Michigan or Eastern Washington?) scored 4 points in a half a few years ago so maybe it’s them.

The answer is my Saint Louis Billikens who scored a whole 20 points in a game once (while I was in school there, I think it was around 2006/2007) and if I remember correctly it was against GW.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Here it is, it was 1/10/08, against GW.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/280100045

Majeus' first season (a few years later he had SLU in the top 10, dude is so underrated as a coach) and they were 7/48 from the field, including 1/19 from 3. High scorer had 5 points.

[MADXSTER]

Ouch!!!

[xubrew]

Not saying Iowa state isn’t a good team, I just think pointing to the Memphis win is kind of silly just because they were ranked in the preseason so high. It will be interesting to see Iowa state in conference and the game against creighton this weekend

Speaking of Iowa State...

In their game last night against Arkansas Pine Bluff, who is 0-8 against D1 teams so far this year, the UAPB coached called timeout and then made all his players run suicides for the entire timeout. I do believe that is a first!!

[MADXSTER]

Speaking of Iowa State...

In their game last night against Arkansas Pine Bluff, who is 0-8 against D1 teams so far this year, the UAPB coached called timeout and then made all his players run suicides for the entire timeout. I do believe that is a first!!

That's a #ick move IMO.

[bobbiemcgee]

Apparently, if you lose to VT, you're out:


https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/bs-sp-maryland-mens-basketball-mark-turgeon-part-ways-20211203-xgl3hpy7xfgvtchvvmjvdurvmi-story.html

[Xville]

New bracketology we are up to a 7 seed in Indy..I’ll take it

[Xville]

Watching St. John’s-Kansas…. Man I love posh Alexander’s game.

[Lloyd Braun]

Watching St. John’s-Kansas…. Man I love posh Alexander’s game.

I am watching as well…but only because I took the under 157.5 for some reason. Should be a sweaty one.

Kansas looked pretty solid in first half.

[xubrew]

Pat Kelsey is a DAMN good coach..

[Xville]

Kansas is pretty good….st John’s looks really out of sorts.

[Lloyd Braun]

Not that I was counting but St John’s gave up 31 points in the last 10 minutes

[paulxu]

I am watching as well…but only because I took the under 157.5 for some reason. Should be a sweaty one.


Oops.

[xubrew]

Pat Kelsey is a DAMN good coach..

And right on cue Furman comes back and forces overtime.

[Lloyd Braun]

Oops.

Not the first oops nor the last lol

[Lloyd Braun]

And right on cue Furman comes back and forces overtime.

And wins… good thing or this board would be clamoring for Kelsey (again)! Haha

[Xavgrad08]

Maryland is a really good opportunity for the right coach. Will be interested to see who they hire.

[Masterofreality]

Loyola Chicago beats DePaul on their court. They have a system that Porter Moser put in place. It wins.
The basketball they play is beautiful. Valentine has kept the Moser system and brought in some perfectly matched guys.
By the way. Moser at Oklahoma, where I never thought he’d go, is 7-1 and just beat #14 Florida this week. The system travels. It works. It wins.
That’s it. That’s the post.

[Lloyd Braun]

Iowa St- Creighton is on FS1 and reasonably entertaining for a low scoring game so far.

[XUGRAD80]

And Memphis loses again…lol

When will these schools learn that hiring a former star because they have ties to the school rarely works out?

Gonzaga also,lost, but to a ranked Alabama. Alabama might just be the real deal.

[xubrew]

Really nice win for Alabama out in Seattle against Gonzaga. I think they’re the best team in the SEC. Bama’s athletic dept had a hell of a day yesterday.

[xubrew]

I don't know if everyone just missed this or simply didn't care...

Texas Southern got their first win of the season yesterday. At Florida. 20th ranked Florida. In an absolute blowout. Considering the gap that appeared to exist between the two teams, and not just that Texas Southern won, but that they had a 20pt lead late in the second half, this might be the most surprising result of any basketball game I can ever remember.

UMBC over Virginia was shocking, and since it happened in the NCAA Tournament it was clearly a much bigger deal, but in a vacuum it wasn't as surprising as this. We've seen teams outside the top 200 beat top five teams before. It's VERY rare, but it has happened. UMBC was pretty far inside the top 200 and was at least good by America East standards, and had won a tough game against a good team to get to the NCAA Tournament. Texas Southern isn't good at all. By any standards. So the idea that they would blow out a top 20 team in a true road game is simply preposterous.

[Xville]

I don't know if everyone just missed this or simply didn't care...

Texas Southern got their first win of the season yesterday. At Florida. 20th ranked Florida. In an absolute blowout. Considering the gap that appeared to exist between the two teams, and not just that Texas Southern won, but that they had a 20pt lead late in the second half, this might be the most surprising result of any basketball game I can ever remember.

UMBC over Virginia was shocking, and since it happened in the NCAA Tournament it was clearly a much bigger deal, but in a vacuum it wasn't as surprising as this. We've seen teams outside the top 200 beat top five teams before. It's VERY rare, but it has happened. UMBC was pretty far inside the top 200 and was at least good by America East standards, and had won a tough game against a good team to get to the NCAA Tournament. Texas Southern isn't good at all. By any standards. So the idea that they would blow out a top 20 team in a true road game is simply preposterous.

You kind of hinted as to why no one seems to care and why college basketball has a problem. At the end of the day, that game meant zip.

[94GRAD]

I don't know if everyone just missed this or simply didn't care...

Texas Southern got their first win of the season yesterday. At Florida. 20th ranked Florida. In an absolute blowout. Considering the gap that appeared to exist between the two teams, and not just that Texas Southern won, but that they had a 20pt lead late in the second half, this might be the most surprising result of any basketball game I can ever remember.

UMBC over Virginia was shocking, and since it happened in the NCAA Tournament it was clearly a much bigger deal, but in a vacuum it wasn't as surprising as this. We've seen teams outside the top 200 beat top five teams before. It's VERY rare, but it has happened. UMBC was pretty far inside the top 200 and was at least good by America East standards, and had won a tough game against a good team to get to the NCAA Tournament. Texas Southern isn't good at all. By any standards. So the idea that they would blow out a top 20 team in a true road game is simply preposterous.

Evansville winning at UK?

[xubrew]

Evansville winning at UK?

Yes. That's up there. Last night's game was like that game, only with Evansville having a 20pt lead late in the second half.

Two more that come to mind was when TCU beat Kansas one year when they were about 200 spots apart, and when North Carolina lost to Santa Clara early in the year as the #1 team, and then went on to win it all after making the NCAA Tournament look like the UNC Invitational.

[GoMuskies]

You kind of hinted as to why no one seems to care and why college basketball has a problem. At the end of the day, that game meant zip.

It could knock Florida down a seed line in March, but otherwise it was kinda meaningless. Although I'm sure the Texas Southern guys would disagree!

[xubrew]

It could knock Florida down a seed line in March, but otherwise it was kinda meaningless. Although I'm sure the Texas Southern guys would disagree!

I bet Mike White would disagree as well.

[paulxu]

I particularly like Wofford beating #5 UNC, at UNC, in 2017.

[GoMuskies]

Sure, but unlike Evansville and Texas Southern, Wofford didn't suck.

[xubrew]

Sure, but unlike Evansville and Texas Southern, Wofford didn't suck.

That Evansville team really was awful. That still might be the biggest upset that I can ever remember..at least in terms of how far apart the two teams were, and that it was a true road game.

The season still needs to play out. It could be that Texas Southern ends up tearing up the SWAC and isn't just on their way to the play-in game and that Florida turns out to not be that good after all. It's still early. BUT...Florida had beaten Ohio State and Florida State (rather handily, actually). They had actually done things to indicate that their current #20 ranking wasn't just some preseason guess. They actually had a few wins to substantiate it. And Texas Southern?? They had't won a game and were blown out by Louisiana Tech just a few days ago.

Last night was nuts (at least in the moment). You don't see results like that very often. Or...ever. The fact that they were blowing them out is what makes it even more surprising.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The line was -23.5.

Anyone know what the Evansville/UK line was?

[muskiefan82]

Moser at Oklahoma, where I never thought he’d go, is 7-1 and just beat #14 Florida this week. The system travels. It works. It wins.
That’s it. That’s the post.

I am thinking it will be 8-1 with Butler coming in for the Big East - Big 12 game.

[Lloyd Braun]

The line was -23.5.

Anyone know what the Evansville/UK line was?

-25

[GoMuskies]

It was only -25 because no one knew yet that Evansville was going to be awful enough to go winless in the Valley. Walter McCarty hadn't been fired for sexual harrassment yet either.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Texas Southern won by a lot though, what did Evansville win by? Both really improbable. And yeah, to Go's point, Evansville ended up awful.

[STL_XUfan]

It was only -25 because no one knew yet that Evansville was going to be awful enough to go winless in the Valley. Walter McCarty hadn't been fired for sexual harrassment yet either.

Didn't all of that come out like a day or 2 later? That he went from the biggest win in program history to administratively suspended before the next game was played?

*Looked it up, it was over a month later, but still felt like that close together

[Lloyd Braun]

UK was also #1 in the country at the time after beating then #1 and eventual F4 team MSU, ended up a 2 seed and lost to Auburn in the E8. Regardless of point differential, that’s an all time head scratcher they had no business losing.

[GoMuskies]

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/ap-poll/2019-2020/2019-11-18/

Evansville got 43 votes in the AP poll November 18, 2019. They finished 9-23 on a 19 game losing streak.

[xubrew]

UK was also #1 in the country at the time after beating then #1 and eventual F4 team MSU, ended up a 2 seed and lost to Auburn in the E8. Regardless of point differential, that’s an all time head scratcher they had no business losing.

It's the only game I can think of where an unranked under the radar team won a true road game against the #1 team. (I hate the term mid-major, so that's how I refer to the 22 leagues that are typically one-bid leagues). There are probably other examples of it, but I can't think of any. When Santa Clara (who stunk) beat North Carolina (who won it all), it was in an NBA arena in California. Still a HUGE shock, but not as big as Evansville winning at Rupp.

EDIT: I'm wrong about that Santa Clara game. I just looked it up. That Santa Clara team won 14 games and finished in the 140s of the RPI. They weren't even close to as bad as Evansville. That game shouldn't even be in the discussion.

[xubrew]

On another note...

This is several days old, but if you haven't seen this, then you need to watch it!!! They continued yelling "DEUCE DEAN!!" for at least two minutes straight. The video is only 50 seconds, but you get the idea. Broadcasting just doesn't get any better than this!!...

https://twitter.com/csherwood_1973/status/1467859314933182465?s=20

[muskiefan82]

I just realized the schedule is BALL St., SucKS, and Morehead. What an interesting trio.

[94GRAD]

I just realized the schedule is BALL St., SucKS, and Morehead. What an interesting trio.

I'm stealing this for Twitter!!!

[bobbiemcgee]

JMU over VA 52-49

[Xville]

I am thinking it will be 8-1 with Butler coming in for the Big East - Big 12 game.

Or not… some people apparently think a good coach makes the tourney twice out of 17 years.

[muskiefan82]

I'm very happy butler pulled that one out. Good for the Big East.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Big win by Butler. Where does the BE/Big 12 games stand?

[Lloyd Braun]

Big win by Butler. Where does the BE/Big 12 games stand?

3-2 BE

5 games to go

2021 BIG EAST-Big 12 Battle Schedule
Dec. 1 Texas Tech at Providence
Dec. 2 Kansas at St. John’s
Dec. 4 Iowa State at Creighton
Dec. 5 Xavier at Oklahoma State
Dec. 7 Butler at Oklahoma
Dec. 8 Marquette at Kansas State
Dec. 8 Connecticut at West Virginia
Dec. 9 Texas at Seton Hall
Dec. 12 Villanova at Baylor
Dec. 18 TCU at Georgetown

[xubrew]

In case you missed it!! Here is the least impressive finish in the entire history of the game!!!

https://twitter.com/PardonMyTake/status/1468408311477420033?s=20

[D-West & PO-Z]

3-2 BE

5 games to go

2021 BIG EAST-Big 12 Battle Schedule
Dec. 1 Texas Tech at Providence
Dec. 2 Kansas at St. John’s
Dec. 4 Iowa State at Creighton
Dec. 5 Xavier at Oklahoma State
Dec. 7 Butler at Oklahoma
Dec. 8 Marquette at Kansas State
Dec. 8 Connecticut at West Virginia
Dec. 9 Texas at Seton Hall
Dec. 12 Villanova at Baylor
Dec. 18 TCU at Georgetown

Thanks. That Providence win over TT was big. Same with Butler. BE looking pretty good in the non-conference.

[D-West & PO-Z]

In case you missed it!! Here is the least impressive finish in the entire history of the game!!!

https://twitter.com/PardonMyTake/status/1468408311477420033?s=20

This shows why.....ouch.

https://twitter.com/The_Casual_Fan/status/1468578604334342146

[xubrew]

This shows why.....ouch.

https://twitter.com/The_Casual_Fan/status/1468578604334342146

Ouch is right! I didn't realize he had injured himself. I thought he just totally flubbed it.

[paulxu]

Sort of like the Paige girl at UConn who fractured her tibia just dribbling the ball up court, no contact.

[Xville]

Sort of like the Paige girl at UConn who fractured her tibia just dribbling the ball up court, no contact.

While up 20 with like a minute left in the game. Stupid.

[Smails]

Sort of like the Paige girl at UConn who fractured her tibia just dribbling the ball up court, no contact.

That's a shame. Most likely had some sort of undetected stress or microfracture. That tibia was on borrowed time...

[GoMuskies]

That's a shame. Most likely had some sort of undetected stress or microfracture. That tibia was on borrowed time...

If that's the case, it's a blessing it happened now so that she'll probably be ready in March. UConn is going to obliterate the Big East with or without her.

[Xville]

That's a shame. Most likely had some sort of undetected stress or microfracture. That tibia was on borrowed time...

I’m not a doctor but I play one on message boards. Everything I have read said it was from hyperextending the knee, so it wasn’t a “well it’s going to happen at some point” type of thing. Happy to have our resident doctors correct me :)