College Basketball Season 2021-2022

[XUGRAD80]

I’m not a doctor but I play one on message boards. Everything I have read said it was from hyperextending the knee, so it wasn’t a “well it’s going to happen at some point” type of thing. Happy to have our resident doctors correct me :)

Well the coach, who has won 10(?) national championships and coached untold number of all-Americans and Olympic athletes, says that it could have happened at any time, including just walking around or on her way to class. He says that it was a freak accident and had nothing to do with her being in the game at that time. It was a non-contact type injury that could have happened in a layup line or while doing a drill in practice.

I went 1000’s of hours of practice and matches and never got seriously injured. But I tore the meniscus in my knee shooting a layup in my driveway. Not in a game, just shooting around. Sometimes these things just happen. Sometimes it’s just the accumulation of wear and tear on the body over many years that causes an injury. The final act can occur anywhere at anytime, but the real cause is just that accumulation and a part of the body wearing out.

[Xville]

Well the coach, who has won 10(?) national championships and coached untold number of all-Americans and Olympic athletes, says that it could have happened at any time, including just walking around or on her way to class. He says that it was a freak accident and had nothing to do with her being in the game at that time. It was a non-contact type injury that could have happened in a layup line or while doing a drill in practice.

I went 1000’s of hours of practice and matches and never got seriously injured. But I tore the meniscus in my knee shooting a layup in my driveway. Not in a game, just shooting around. Sometimes these things just happen. Sometimes it’s just the accumulation of wear and tear on the body over many years that causes an injury. The final act can occur anywhere at anytime, but the real cause is just that accumulation and a part of the body wearing out.

That gives him about as much medical knowledge as I have, and I wonder if he has a reason for saying that?

The rest of your point, I completely get, but it didn't happen any time..It happened at the end of a game that she shouldn't have been in. Just my two cents, and why I think it is insane to have starters (especially someone like her which is the face of womens college basketball who you would think you would want to protect) on the court in a twenty point blowout

[Lloyd Braun]

That gives him about as much medical knowledge as I have, and I wonder if he has a reason for saying that?

The rest of your point, I completely get, but it didn't happen any time..It happened at the end of a game that she shouldn't have been in. Just my two cents, and why I think it is insane to have starters (especially someone like her which is the face of womens college basketball who you would think you would want to protect) on the court in a twenty point blowout

X is up by 40 with 6 minutes left…. Starters still in.

[GoMuskies]

Mutombo is very tall for Georgetown. That's enough tonight, but it will be interesting to see how good he ends up being.

[GoMuskies]

UConn pooping down their legs late in Morgantown.

[Xville]

UConn pooping down their legs late in Morgantown.

Chucking up a ton of quick 3s

[GoMuskies]

Ugly game. Huggins wins, which always sucks.

[Xville]

K state Marquette having an ugly uniform contest. I think k state is winning but at least theirs isn’t a normal combination

[noteggs]

K state Marquette having an ugly uniform contest. I think k state is winning but at least theirs isn’t a normal combination

K State unis look like YMCA rec league. Would’ve said CYO, but they have better…

[GIMMFD]

I’m not a doctor but I play one on message boards. Everything I have read said it was from hyperextending the knee, so it wasn’t a “well it’s going to happen at some point” type of thing. Happy to have our resident doctors correct me :)

She has a tibial plateau fracture, which is very rare tbh. Basically depends on where the fracture is, usually lateral (outside) fractures are from direct blows, but medial (middle) fractures are more due to force/high energy mechanisms, along with that, they're commonly associated with injury to nearby structures like joints, ligaments, vasculature, nerves, etc. this is probably the "hyperextending the knee" thing they speak of, other causes are motor vehicle accidents, landing on your feet after a fall from height, etc. etc. She very well could have had a stress fracture or something there from repetitive use, but it also could have just been a freak thing by "knee hyperextension"... either way, the underlying point of her playing when up 20 is indeed very stupid.

[D-West & PO-Z]

She has a tibial plateau fracture, which is very rare tbh. Basically depends on where the fracture is, usually lateral (outside) fractures are from direct blows, but medial (middle) fractures are more due to force/high energy mechanisms, along with that, they're commonly associated with injury to nearby structures like joints, ligaments, vasculature, nerves, etc. this is probably the "hyperextending the knee" thing they speak of, other causes are motor vehicle accidents, landing on your feet after a fall from height, etc. etc. She very well could have had a stress fracture or something there from repetitive use, but it also could have just been a freak thing by "knee hyperextension"... either way, the underlying point of her playing when up 20 is indeed very stupid.

Are you surprised they said 6-8 weeks? Would have thought more 8-12.

When I was doing a clinical rotation I got to see a tibial plateau fx surgery. Pretty cool and pretty rough surgery!

[smileyy]

Auriemma ought to be fired for that.

[GIMMFD]

Are you surprised they said 6-8 weeks? Would have thought more 8-12.

When I was doing a clinical rotation I got to see a tibial plateau fx surgery. Pretty cool and pretty rough surgery!

Definitely a little shocked, if she got an ORIF I think usually it's 6 weeks of passive range of motion and non-weight bearing, and then 6 weeks moving up in weight bearing, but then again guess it depends on the size of the fracture and all those fun external factors. Haha I consider Ortho Surgeons the frat stars of medicine, those dudes are in the OR blaring music, and just HAMMERING away.

[Xville]

The Dumpster Fire that is Louisville continues...Karma is a bitch Mack:

Louisville President leaving for Penn State and the AD might be leaving for Florida State. Although now that the President is gone, the AD may stay--rumors that there was a bit of a power struggle there.

[xubrew]

The Dumpster Fire that is Louisville continues...Karma is a bitch Mack:

Louisville President leaving for Penn State and the AD might be leaving for Florida State. Although now that the President is gone, the AD may stay--rumors that there was a bit of a power struggle there.

By Louisville standards, this is nothing!! Your first sentence got me all excited!! I thought a booster had rented out DeJa Vu and invited all the recruits or something like that!!

A lot of good ADs would want that job. Even if it is a complete fustercluck.

[xavierj]

By Louisville standards, this is nothing!! Your first sentence got me all excited!! I thought a booster had rented out DeJa Vu and invited all the recruits or something like that!!

A lot of good ADs would want that job. Even if it is a complete fustercluck.

If Mack is not in the top half of the ACC he will be gone. He may be gone regardless and if they get a new AD those chances are probably even higher.

Another note on the game last night, it looks like Master P and his son where there on a visit and walked off the floor with the team after the game. He is in the transfer portal right now. He signed a $2 million dollar NIL deal already.

[xubrew]

If Mack is not in the top half of the ACC he will be gone. He may be gone regardless and if they get a new AD those chances are probably even higher.

Another note on the game last night, it looks like Master P and his son where there on a visit and walked off the floor with the team after the game. He is in the transfer portal right now. He signed a $2 million dollar NIL deal already.

The ACC absolutely sucks this year. I mean outside of just a couple of teams it is really bad. If they don't finish in the top half of it they may end up missing the NIT.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Another note on the game last night, it looks like Master P and his son where there on a visit and walked off the floor with the team after the game. He is in the transfer portal right now. He signed a $2 million dollar NIL deal already.

Yeah I heard about that at the game last night. Was wondering why they were playing all the Master P, lol.

[GoMuskies]

This shook out brilliantly for Mack. Bendapudi wanted to fire him, and the AD talked her down to a suspension. Now she's gone, and the AD is staying.

[xubrew]

I know this may be blasphemy (especially this week), but for me personally I would enjoy watching Xavier beat Louisville more than I would enjoy watching them beat UC. That's not to say I don't love it when we beat UC. It's just that I would love it even more if they were to beat Louisville. I wish we played them at least on occasion.

[Xville]

This shook out brilliantly for Mack. Bendapudi wanted to fire him, and the AD talked her down to a suspension. Now she's gone, and the AD is staying.

Maybe…Tyra doesn’t have a new contract and it runs out in June. Other rumor is he wanted to fire the football coach and get
Brohm and she stopped that. Some crazy soap opera over there.

[xavierj]

Maybe…Tyra doesn’t have a new contract and it runs out in June. Other rumor is he wanted to fire the football coach and get
Brohm and she stopped that. Some crazy soap opera over there.

Yes and I guess he is thinking about taking a job in the private sector. Doesn’t sound like he is well liked by fans and if he stays AD, doubt the football coach can work for him if he tried to get rid of him.

[Xville]

well, the AD has resigned now too...weirdest week at louisville and that is saying something haha

whoever the new AD will be, it isn't going to be the one who hired Mack....

[paulxu]

So after all the nonsense at U of L, the president leaves, the AD leaves...and Mack is the last one standing?

[GoMuskies]

They've got some great coaches at Louisville. Their volleyball team, for example, just beat Florida in the Sweet 16 to run their record to 31-0. Unfortunately, none of those great coaches happen to coach the only two college sports anyone REALLY cares about.

[XUGRAD80]

Seton Hall just beat #7 Texas 64-60. SH is a very good team.

[XUBison]

Seton Hall just beat #7 Texas 64-60. SH is a very good team.

It was an ugly game, especially down the stretch, but was still fun to watch. The Big East is really good this year with three legit top 25 teams. Hopefully X makes it four next week.

[XUBison]

By the way, Ben Johnson has the Goophs at 7-1. Their only loss was a respectable showing vs Mich St last night. I don’t think expectations were very high given the roster turnover from a bad team, but he’s got them playing pretty well right now.

[Lloyd Braun]

Iowa State looking good again tonight. They’re fun to watch.

[GIMMFD]

Purdue also lost to Rutgers... wow.

[muskiefan82]

Iowa State looking good again tonight. They’re fun to watch.

They're the BYU of the midwest

[Lloyd Braun]

Who knows what’ll happen by the end of the season but say they finish 22-9 or better, they will have improved by 20+ games from last season to this season. That’s pretty incredible.

[D-West & PO-Z]

They're the BYU of the midwest

Ha, reps!

[D-West & PO-Z]

So the BE has been fantastic out of conference, Iowa State is apparently amazing, and no team wants to be #1. College basketball is off to a good start.

[XUBison]

Purdue also lost to Rutgers... wow.

40 ft buzzer-beater.

[GIMMFD]

Who knows what’ll happen by the end of the season but say they finish 22-9 or better, they will have improved by 20+ games from last season to this season. That’s pretty incredible.

All I know is I'm gonna keep hitting the + MLs on them until I'm poor, because it's been very profitable lately.

[GIMMFD]

40 ft buzzer-beater.

Yeah, but they probably should not have been in that position in the first place, gotta give it up for Ron Harper Jr, he's a hooper.

[paulxu]

This guy is really excited.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1469130313037193223

[Xville]

I’m pretty sure I heard Robbie Hummel was on the tv broadcast… that’s gotta be a kick in the nuts

[paulxu]

I remember watching his dad play for Miami. Very smooth player; often compared to Jordan.

[murray87]

Yeah, Ron Harper Sr. was awesome at Miami and never seemed to miss (especially when playing against XU!)

[xubrew]

This is just beautiful!!

https://twitter.com/csherwood_1973/status/1469297924492480521

[bobbiemcgee]

Good night for BE with SHU's win over #7 Tx.

[Xville]

Big East has had a damn good Non-conference....I can see 7 teams in March possibly.

Hopefully Depaul keeps it going tonight on Louisville's home court.

On another note, I didn't realize how good the WCC was this year (compared to previous years)...Gonzaga isn't going to have it easy this year.

[Lloyd Braun]

Big East has had a damn good Non-conference....I can see 7 teams in March possibly.

Hopefully Depaul keeps it going tonight on Louisville's home court.

On another note, I didn't realize how good the WCC was this year (compared to previous years)...Gonzaga isn't going to have it easy this year.

I’m sure this should be in the Degenerate thread but the St Mary’s UNDER bet has been good to me for I don’t know how long. Maybe a month. Due for regression but check it out…

[Smails]

And St. John's does what UC was unable to do...take down Monmouth.

[xubrew]

And St. John's does what UC was unable to do...take down Monmouth.

Which...really hurts Monmouth. Well, I guess it doesn't hurt them so much as it was a missed opportunity. Monmouth is good, but their best shooter couldn't hit the ocean last night. They needed a win like that for the committee to take them seriously come March. Iona, who's in their conference, already has one.

It was close. But not close enough.

[xubrew]

Auburn gets four years probation, and Bruce Pearl is suspended for two games. No postseason ban, though.

Still, that does seem kind of harsh!! I mean…no cheating for FOUR YEARS!!?? They should appeal!!

[noteggs]

Since Yum is basically empty tonight, DePaul should feel at home…literally.

[Xville]

Hell yeah DePaul!!!

[Xavgrad08]

I am sure Louisville fans will take the loss to DePaul in a completely rational manner. Since Louisville doesn’t have a current Athletic Director should Chris Mack fire himself?

[GoMuskies]

They'll be at least as rational as we are when we manage to lose to DePaul.

[GoMuskies]

Memphis is going to stop scheduling Murray State.

[noteggs]

They'll be at least as rational as we are when we manage to lose to DePaul.

Or as rational when we lose to an Iowa St team that was 2 and whatever last year.

[Xville]

DePaul isn’t a world beater by any means but I think this is probably their best squad in a really long time. It will be interesting to see how they look in conference. David Jones and Javon Freeman are legit

[xubrew]

Everyone in the Big East other than Villanova seems to be better than expected. And the only reason Nova isn’t better than expected is because you can’t outperform the expectations of being a contender to win it all.

[Lloyd Braun]

Everyone in the Big East other than Villanova seems to be better than expected. And the only reason Nova isn’t better than expected is because you can’t outperform the expectations of being a contender to win it all.

Jury is out on Creighton for me. I think they’ve underperformed a bit but today is a good chance to prove me wrong.

[xavierj]

DePaul isn’t a world beater by any means but I think this is probably their best squad in a really long time. It will be interesting to see how they look in conference. David Jones and Javon Freeman are legit

Agree that DePaul is much improved they have some athletes and length. The crazy thing is Freeman-Liberty was awful last night and they still won. Louisville has no athleticism and Chris Mack is the problem at Louisville. He hasn’t recruited well and has no athletes. I know people don’t want to hear it but Xavier has had to recover from his recruiting mistakes his last two or three years at Xavier.

[Xville]

Agree that DePaul is much improved they have some athletes and length. The crazy thing is Freeman-Liberty was awful last night and they still won. Louisville has no athleticism and Chris Mack is the problem at Louisville. He hasn’t recruited well and has no athletes. I know people don’t want to hear it but Xavier has had to recover from his recruiting mistakes his last two or three years at Xavier.

I don’t know about not having athletes, I think it’s more of they can’t throw it in the ocean…sound familiar?

I do agree with your comments around mack in that he is a very inconsistent recruiter.

[xubrew]

Jury is out on Creighton for me. I think they’ve underperformed a bit but today is a good chance to prove me wrong.

An hour ago I would have agreed with you on Creighton. But....WOW!!!!!

[Lloyd Braun]

An hour ago I would have agreed with you on Creighton. But....WOW!!!!!

Jury has returned and unanimously decided: I am an idiot.

[Xville]

Mohammed for Georgetown is pretty legit it seems. Man there are just no easy outs in the big East this year

[muskiefan82]

Gtown and Creighton with nice wins today

[bobbiemcgee]

Big East is kicking butt .... hope it continues...

[Lloyd Braun]

I’m hindsight Colorado state is really good. I thought Creighton should have beaten them on paper (at home) but they should win the mountain west and be in the 5-7 seed range barring meltdown. So Creighton probably performing on par…

[xudash]

Auburn gets four years probation, and Bruce Pearl is suspended for two games. No postseason ban, though.

Still, that does seem kind of harsh!! I mean…no cheating for FOUR YEARS!!?? They should appeal!!

When decisions like this are handed down, does the person that signs off on them ever look in the mirror?

[Strange Brew]

Connor Williams (St. John Fisher) is the ultimate Rec League Warrior!

[Xuperman]

How about a show of hands.....who here wants to watch VaTech BLAST the CRYERS at UDump Arena @ 2 today?

[xubrew]

This was a great game with a crazy ending, and an amusing air handshake!! The question is…was it goaltending???

https://twitter.com/diehardsalabama/status/1469902638456127492?s=21

[xubrew]

How about a show of hands.....who here wants to watch VaTech BLAST the CRYERS at UDump Arena @ 2 today?

If that’s what you’re watching then I hope you’re not bored to death.

[bjf123]

This was a great game with a crazy ending, and an amusing air handshake!! The question is…was it goaltending???

https://twitter.com/diehardsalabama/status/1469902638456127492?s=21

From the one view in real time, it sure looked like goaltending.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[paulxu]

Nova got absolutely smacked by Baylor.

[xubrew]

Nova got absolutely smacked by Baylor.

I do believe that is the worst game between two good teams that I have ever seen. Seriously, that was shit!

[xubrew]

I thought this was really cool. Needs no explanation. Just watch…

https://twitter.com/coachwilcox55/status/1470044832752189448?s=21

[XUBison]

I do believe that is the worst game between two good teams that I have ever seen. Seriously, that was shit!

Nova scored 36 points. Let that sink in. They had 9 with 6 minutes left in the first. They had at least three very bad 3-pt air balls. Gillespie was terrible.

I know people whine about Baylor’s graby defense, but their on-ball D is next level. Nova was taken out of their game from the get-go, just like the zags were in the championship game.

[XU 23]

Apparently Mack lit up a reporter after the DePaul game

https://youtu.be/rWfk_onslHs
2:50

[Lloyd Braun]

Apparently Mack lit up a reporter after the DePaul game

https://youtu.be/rWfk_onslHs
2:50

It’s a really dumb question but the reaction is priceless. Mack looks like he’s aged 10 years since taking that job.

[xubrew]

Apparently Mack lit up a reporter after the DePaul game

https://youtu.be/rWfk_onslHs
2:50


It’s a really dumb question but the reaction is priceless. Mack looks like he’s aged 10 years since taking that job.


Okay, I shouldn’t care about this…but I am curious. I’m not curious enough to watch the whole video, though. So….what happened??

[Xville]

Okay, I shouldn’t care about this…but I am curious. I’m not curious enough to watch the whole video, though. So….what happened??

he was asked about his philosophy of when to use timeouts when teams are making runs against his, and he responded with I'll use timeouts when I feel like using timeouts. I think it's kind of a valid question, but I'm not surprised with Mack's flippant answer. If someone judges anything these guys do that may come across as negative, their big egos will not allow them to admit that possibly they made an error in judgement. Plus, Mack's kind of a dick.

[muskiefan82]

Plus, Mack's kind of a dick.

Kind of? You are being nice.

[Lloyd Braun]

Asking questions on when to use timeouts is just a tier below asking if they practice free throws IMO. They didn’t lose because Mack didn’t call timeout during the numerous scoring droughts.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Asking questions on when to use timeouts is just a tier below asking if they practice free throws IMO. They didn’t lose because Mack didn’t call timeout during the numerous scoring droughts.

Yeah, but lets be honest, I am sure it is something fans are asking on a regular basis. Doesnt mean Mack is wrong in how he is using them but the reporter is doing his job, imo, if he's asking questions fans want to know.

Mack just as easily could have responded along the lines of "our guys need to learn to play through the opposing teams runs, we only have so many to use, and I like to have them available towards the end of the game for the various situations that come up."

Or some other BS. I mean I don't think it's the worst thing in the world that Mack was a dick about it but I also don't think the question is out of bounds. Mack isn't in a position where he should just be dealt softballs any longer.

[xubrew]

he was asked about his philosophy of when to use timeouts when teams are making runs against his, and he responded with I'll use timeouts when I feel like using timeouts. I think it's kind of a valid question, but I'm not surprised with Mack's flippant answer. If someone judges anything these guys do that may come across as negative, their big egos will not allow them to admit that possibly they made an error in judgement. Plus, Mack's kind of a dick.

Thanks. I did see it on the video since it was at the beginning. It didn't seem like THAT big of a deal either way. Like you, I'm not surprised by the question or the answer.

My assessment...


-many reporters are narcissistic jerks who think they know far more about the game than what they actually do.

-many coaches are narcissistic jerks who have no patience for anyone who doesn't know the game as well as they do, but still has the gall to ask them a question.

Basketball is the sport of dicks.

[Masterofreality]

How is the Big East still fourth in conference rankings? The SEC is severely overrated as is the B1G

[GoMuskies]

Colley Rankings, which posts detailed conference comparisons (just head to head matchups and results) in both football and basketball, has the Big East #2.

https://www.colleyrankings.com/hcurconf.html

[paulxu]

BE is 2nd in Warren Nolan's tracking of the NET rankings.

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-conference

Xavier may be the only school so far with 4 Quad 1 wins.

[xubrew]

BE is 2nd in Warren Nolan's tracking of the NET rankings.

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-conference

Xavier may be the only school so far with 4 Quad 1 wins.

I don't see the Big East finishing any lower than that. The Big 12 is just stupid good. I'm curious to see where they rank Iowa State today.

I just looked this up. Baylor has won 37 of their last 39 going back to last season, and very few of those games were against cupcakes at home. They are on an absolute rampage.

[paulxu]

Baylor must be scary good.
I know Nova lost some players, but they beat Tennessee and played Purdue close.
Then they got absolutely stomped by Baylor.

[muskiefan82]

Baylor must be scary good.
I know Nova lost some players, but they beat Tennessee and played Purdue close.
Then they got absolutely stomped by Baylor.

Their on the ball defense is intense although intense might not be enough to describe it.

[muskiefan82]

Baylor must be scary good.
I know Nova lost some players, but they beat Tennessee and played Purdue close.
Then they got absolutely stomped by Baylor.

Their on the ball defense is intense although intense might not be enough to describe it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Their on the ball defense is intense although intense might not be enough to describe it.


Their on the ball defense is intense although intense might not be enough to describe it.

You can say that again!

[Masterofreality]

Colley Rankings, which posts detailed conference comparisons (just head to head matchups and results) in both football and basketball, has the Big East #2.

https://www.colleyrankings.com/hcurconf.html

Yeah that’s better. I was using Torvik

[XU 23]

I don’t think the timeout question to Mack was snarky… especially after losing to DePaul at home. Sorry coach, but when the team loses a game like that, expect to get grilled by the media and the fans. That seat is hot.

[xubrew]

I don’t think the timeout question to Mack was snarky… especially after losing to DePaul at home. Sorry coach, but when the team loses a game like that, expect to get grilled by the media and the fans. That seat is hot.

Dayton is probably too close to the bottom of their talent cycle to have a big year this year. They've lost to UMass Lowell at home and beaten Kansas on the road. You don't get more wildly inconsistent than that. I definitely think they're building because a lot of young and inconsistent teams will often turn into experienced consistent teams over time, but they're probably not going to have a big enough year where Anthony Grant becomes a coach that big time programs come after.

Having said that...if Chris Mack gets let go from Louisville and some how ends up at Dayton, I may not stop laughing for a week!!!

[xavierj]

Dayton is probably too close to the bottom of their talent cycle to have a big year this year. They've lost to UMass Lowell at home and beaten Kansas on the road. You don't get more wildly inconsistent than that. I definitely think they're building because a lot of young and inconsistent teams will often turn into experienced consistent teams over time, but they're probably not going to have a big enough year where Anthony Grant becomes a coach that big time programs come after.

Having said that...if Chris Mack gets let go from Louisville and some how ends up at Dayton, I may not stop laughing for a week!!!

Dayton lost games early but they got that stuff figured out. They are kind of young due to covid but I think Grant has them straightened out. They will challenge for the A10 title. And I can’t stand Dayton.

[Masterofreality]

Dayton is probably too close to the bottom of their talent cycle to have a big year this year. They've lost to UMass Lowell at home and beaten Kansas on the road. You don't get more wildly inconsistent than that. I definitely think they're building because a lot of young and inconsistent teams will often turn into experienced consistent teams over time, but they're probably not going to have a big enough year where Anthony Grant becomes a coach that big time programs come after.

Having said that...if Chris Mack gets let go from Louisville and some how ends up at Dayton, I may not stop laughing for a week!!!

Xavier will never play them again. So…..

[xudash]

Dayton lost games early but they got that stuff figured out. They are kind of young due to covid but I think Grant has them straightened out. They will challenge for the A10 title. And I can’t stand Dayton.

That isn't worth much anymore. A very low bar which is perfectly suited to the sweater vest crowd.

[xubrew]

Dayton lost games early but they got that stuff figured out. They are kind of young due to covid but I think Grant has them straightened out. They will challenge for the A10 title. And I can’t stand Dayton.

Well if they keep going like they have been they’ll win at St Bonaventure and lose at home to La Salle.

[xubrew]

Xavier will never play them again. So…..

Yeah, they will some day.

I'm rather certain that no one under the age of 35 that's a fan for either team cares either way. I mean...why would they?? It was over before they were ever students. To them all the talk about whether or not they should our shouldn't play just sounds like old men yelling at clouds. So as that becomes more and more the case, I think eventually both schools will be like "well, why not??'

[bleedXblue]

Getting the popcorn ready......

[bobbiemcgee]

I don't think X would turn down a lucrative tournament schedule just bcuz they are in the field, also some future NCAA pairings out of our control, so 'ya could happen.

[xudash]

Yeah, they will some day.

I'm rather certain that no one under the age of 35 that's a fan for either team cares either way. I mean...why would they?? It was over before they were ever students. To them all the talk about whether or not they should our shouldn't play just sounds like old men yelling at clouds. So as that becomes more and more the case, I think eventually both schools will be like "well, why not??'

You are looking at this as a basketball fan – 100%.

Xavier will not play Dayton in the regular season, period. End of story. This may or may not sound crazy to you, but there is more involved here than just basketball. If the general status quo is maintained (i.e. conferences, NCAA tournament) it will not happen.

[xubrew]

I don't think X would turn down a lucrative tournament schedule just bcuz they are in the field, also some future NCAA pairings out of our control, so 'ya could happen.

I think whatever was special about it was over a while ago. It really was intense, and it really was fun, and it probably would have stayed that way had it been kept going, but they didn't, and it's been so long that no one under the age of 35 has any inclination that X vs UD ever meant anything. So, there's no real reason to play it anymore. It wouldn't be any different than playing...say...Tulsa. It's just that there's also no real reason NOT to play it, so I think that some day they will. I mean, they are just right up the road. But it won't be the same. It'll be like playing Tulsa to majority of the fans. Just another game. Louisville and Memphis used to be bonkers. Then they quit playing. Then when the series did resume, no one really cared. It was just another game, after the two year contract was up neither school saw the point in making it a permanent series. I think X and UD is like that.

[xubrew]

You are looking at this as a basketball fan – 100%.

Xavier will not play Dayton in the regular season, period. End of story. This may or may not sound crazy to you, but there is more involved here than just basketball. If the general status quo is maintained (i.e. conferences, NCAA tournament) it will not happen.

Again. Yelling at clouds.

I'm not saying it should or shouldn't. I'm just saying that I think some day it will. But when it does it won't be anything like it was before. The more time that goes by, the fewer and fewer people care about it. Whatever reasons there are for not wanting to play it will go away, because eventually the people who feel that way will go away or become less important. There really won't be a big reason to play it, but there really won't be a reason not to play it either.

[xudash]

Again. Yelling at clouds.

I'm not saying it should or shouldn't. I'm just saying that I think some day it will. But when it does it won't be anything like it was before. The more time that goes by, the fewer and fewer people care about it. Whatever reasons there are for not wanting to play it will go away, because eventually the people who feel that way will go away or become less important. There really won't be a big reason to play it, but there really won't be a reason not to play it either.

I’m not yelling at clouds. I’m not yelling, period.

Okay, so you want to go with an arbitrary “some day”. Fine. Anything is possible when you state it like that.

In the meantime, Dayton will not see the inside of the Cintas Center for at least a decade. Frankly, it will be longer than that. Notre Dame did it to us and to them. We are doing it to them now. And it is more than just about basketball.

But that doesn’t mean that it can’t happen “someday.“

[noteggs]

Again. Yelling at clouds.

I'm not saying it should or shouldn't. I'm just saying that I think some day it will. But when it does it won't be anything like it was before. The more time that goes by, the fewer and fewer people care about it. Whatever reasons there are for not wanting to play it will go away, because eventually the people who feel that way will go away or become less important. There really won't be a big reason to play it, but there really won't be a reason not to play it either.

True on under 35 crowd. We had a makeshift graduation ceremony a couple years ago because of covid. A few kids from various schools including X and UD. Parents were asked to say a few words and I brought up the last time since Reagan thing. Of course the comment fell flat. Not sure if it was because of the reference or they just didn’t know when Reagan was President.

[paulxu]

I'm always up for another Orlando beatdown.

[XUBison]

I’m not yelling at clouds. I’m not yelling, period.

Okay, so you want to go with an arbitrary “some day”. Fine. Anything is possible when you state it like that.

In the meantime, Dayton will not see the inside of the Cintas Center for at least a decade. Frankly, it will be longer than that. Notre Dame did it to us and to them. We are doing it to them now. And it is more than just about basketball.

But that doesn’t mean that it can’t happen “someday.“

Correct, because you’re talking about the strategic positioning of the university, not the emotional whims of a fan base.

[XUBison]

I'm always up for another Orlando beatdown.

Good point. We may have this all wrong. After that humiliation, perhaps it is UDump that will never play us again.

[xubrew]

True on under 35 crowd. We had a makeshift graduation ceremony a couple years ago because of covid. A few kids from various schools including X and UD. Parents were asked to say a few words and I brought up the last time since Reagan thing. Of course the comment fell flat. Not sure if it was because of the reference or they just didn’t know when Reagan was President.

HA! Maybe it was both.

If you were to tell this demographic of UD fans (35 and under) that they could have a series with any Big East team of their choosing, Xavier would not be their first choice, or their second, and probably not even their third. Perhaps it would be their fourth? Maybe?

It means nothing to them, and they don’t realize that it ever meant anything to anyone. Which means there’s no more point to bringing it back than there is to just schedule a series with SLU. It’d just feel like any other regular OOC game. I think X will play them again some day for the same reason I think we might schedule SLU some day. They’re there, so why not?? A lot of rivalries are played again once pretty much everyone forgot (or stopped caring) that it was ever a rivalry. And when they do, it’s not the same. But…maybe this one won’t for whatever reason. I don’t think it matters either way.

[GoMuskies]

Even though they didn't play for a while, I think Missouri and Kansas will continue to hate each other given that they sort of fought a war against each other.

[xavier513]

I'm only posting this because the "35 and younger crowd doesn't remember XU vs UD" has been used so much in this thread and its quite an over exaggeration. Xavier's last conference game vs Dayton was in Feb 2013. That's less than 9 years ago, guys. A freshman for that game is now roughly 27 years old. And any Xavier fan that grew up Cincinnati remembers the intense rivalry as a kid. So you're basically just referring to people who were freshman at Xavier in the last 8 years and did not grow up in the area. What is that, 10% of the Xavier fan base?

All that said... I hope Xavier never plays Dayton again. Fuck em.

[X-man]

BE is 2nd in Warren Nolan's tracking of the NET rankings.

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-conference

Xavier may be the only school so far with 4 Quad 1 wins.
Nolan is wrong on the number of Quad 1 wins for Xavier. They have 3, at the moment, not 4. I looked it up and Nolan has the Shootout win as occurring on a neutral court. Because it was a home court win, it's only a Quad 2 win.

[xubrew]

I'm only posting this because the "35 and younger crowd doesn't remember XU vs UD" has been used so much in this thread and its quite an over exaggeration. Xavier's last conference game vs Dayton was in Feb 2013. That's less than 9 years ago, guys. A freshman for that game is now roughly 27 years old. And any Xavier fan that grew up Cincinnati remembers the intense rivalry as a kid. So you're basically just referring to people who were freshman at Xavier in the last 8 years and did not grow up in the area. What is that, 10% of the Xavier fan base?

All that said... I hope Xavier never plays Dayton again. Fuck em.

Perhaps, but when it comes to fandom I basically have a 2/3rds philosophy. Granted, I did no scientific studies for it, but if you’ve been a fan for 15 years then something that hasn’t happened for over 10 years just doesn’t matter to you. If people were fans for 50 years and lived the rivalry for 40 years they still care, but the younger people don’t. That’s probably even more true considering UD wasn’t very good in the latter years of the rivalry, but since then has been to multiple NCAA Tournaments, an Elite Eight, and a top five finish in the regular season. I’m guessing those Xavier games aren’t even a blip on their radar given all that. Seriously, does anyone under the age of 35 on either side give a shit?? I don’t think they do. I don’t think it matters to them. I don’t think they care any more (or less) about resuming the XU v UD series than they do about scheduling a series with SLU or Tulsa. It’s just a great big whatever-burger.

[XUBison]

True on under 35 crowd. We had a makeshift graduation ceremony a couple years ago because of covid. A few kids from various schools including X and UD. Parents were asked to say a few words and I brought up the last time since Reagan thing. Of course the comment fell flat. Not sure if it was because of the reference or they just didn’t know when Reagan was President.

I think the reference you were making should have been to the Carter administration. Perhaps that’s why it didn’t resonate?

[paulxu]

Nolan is wrong on the number of Quad 1 wins for Xavier. They have 3, at the moment, not 4. I looked it up and Nolan has the Shootout win as occurring on a neutral court. Because it was a home court win, it's only a Quad 2 win.

My bad. Wonder why he's not up-to-date with the NCAA site? Cintas is about as far as you can get from a neutral court.

[xubrew]

I haven't been able to see any of the games tonight, but apparently Memphis ate their Wheaties. DAMN!!

[Lloyd Braun]

Creighton shit the bed.

[GoMuskies]

The ACC is 1-7 against the Atlantic 10 this year. The ACC's lone win: a 72-66 Miami win over Fordham. That's pretty brutal.

[Masterofreality]

I must say. It sure is nice to wake up and check the CBB schedule in the morning and see a number in front of the Xavier name.
I am also glad that the flotsam and jetsam portion of games is almost over. While I like seeing us play, buy games vs tiny schools like Clifton Community College get ponderous after a while.

[xubrew]

The ACC is 1-7 against the Atlantic 10 this year. The ACC's lone win: a 72-66 Miami win over Fordham. That's pretty brutal.

I did not realize that! WOW!!

[Masterofreality]

I'm only posting this because the "35 and younger crowd doesn't remember XU vs UD" has been used so much in this thread and its quite an over exaggeration. Xavier's last conference game vs Dayton was in Feb 2013. That's less than 9 years ago, guys. A freshman for that game is now roughly 27 years old. And any Xavier fan that grew up Cincinnati remembers the intense rivalry as a kid. So you're basically just referring to people who were freshman at Xavier in the last 8 years and did not grow up in the area. What is that, 10% of the Xavier fan base?

All that said... I hope Xavier never plays Dayton again. Fuck em.

Greg Christopher feels the same. As do I.
Let that dinosaur die.

[Masterofreality]

The ACC is 1-7 against the Atlantic 10 this year. The ACC's lone win: a 72-66 Miami win over Fordham. That's pretty brutal.

The ACC is brutal, other than Duke.
That is the thing that will probably save Mack’s job. And he only has to play Duke once.

[Masterofreality]

I haven't been able to see any of the games tonight, but apparently Memphis ate their Wheaties. DAMN!!

Ugliest court in College Basketball.
My eyes bled.

[xubrew]

Ugliest court in College Basketball.
My eyes bled.

Oh there are worse ones!! check out San Jose State!!

[noteggs]

I think the reference you were making should have been to the Carter administration. Perhaps that’s why it didn’t resonate?

Hmmm…maybe you’re onto something here. Starting to make sense.

[xubrew]

Greg Christopher feels the same. As do I.
Let that dinosaur die.

I think it has died. That's kind of been my point. It lives on among the people who have been on internet message boards since the days of the series (and I guess I'm included in that group), but other than that I think it died a while ago. I also don't think it would return to being what it was if we were to play them again. Not even close.

Yunno...I never really saw how anything about that rivalry was bad for us. Say what you will about UD, but they at least cared about basketball whereas much of the A10 at the time didn't. They also TOTALLY obsessed over the Xavier game (or at least their fans did) to the point to where it was both amusing and stupid. What made it infinitely better is that X dominated it. I think we won like 75% of the time, and even when we didn't, it was very easy to just say "Oh well. You're still Dayton, and this is your Super Bowl. We've got more important things to worry about." I always loved that we were that big of a deal to another team, and that that other team could almost never beat us. When you see people wearing "Beat Xavier" shirts when they're not even playing Xavier, doesn't that totally legitimize X and de-legitimize UD?? I know most people (at least on here) think that by keeping the series going we'd be helping out UD, and perhaps we would in a way, but in a bigger way, I don't think the rivalry was really good for them at all. In fact, it was so one-sided that calling it a rivalry kind of misrepresents it. It was definitely a feud, but UD was nowhere close to an equal. I mean…what was their recruiting pitch?? “We really hate Xavier!! and occasionally we beat them at home!!”? They totally obsessed over it, they almost never won, and it was rare that they were ever nationally relevant outside of the series. How is that good for a program?? They've actually been noticeably better and more relevant since it ended. I think there are lots of other reasons for that. I don't think winning at UD means someone is a good coach so much as losing at UD means they're a bad one. With that much money, and those kinds of resources, and how that compares to the rest of the conference, they should be dominating it. I think they're FINALLY starting to realize that. But when we were playing them, they were nothing more than an underachieving program that was totally obsessed with us and that was fun to pick on. Damn, I miss that!! It was fun being that big of a deal to another team that rarely beat us. But...like you said...that's long gone and it ain't gonna come back.

[xudash]

I think it has died. That's kind of been my point. It lives on among the people who have been on internet message boards since the days of the series (and I guess I'm included in that group), but other than that I think it died a while ago. I also don't think it would return to being what it was if we were to play them again. Not even close.

Yunno...I never really saw how anything about that rivalry was bad for us. Say what you will about UD, but they at least cared about basketball whereas much of the A10 at the time didn't. They also TOTALLY obsessed over the Xavier game (or at least their fans did) to the point to where it was both amusing and stupid. What made it infinitely better is that X dominated it. I think we won like 75% of the time, and even when we didn't, it was very easy to just say "Oh well. You're still Dayton, and this is your Super Bowl. We've got more important things to worry about." I always loved that we were that big of a deal to another team, and that that other team could almost never beat us. When you see people wearing "Beat Xavier" shirts when they're not even playing Xavier, doesn't that totally legitimize X and de-legitimize UD?? I know most people (at least on here) think that by keeping the series going we'd be helping out UD, and perhaps we would in a way, but in a bigger way, I don't think the rivalry was really good for them at all. In fact, it was so one-sided that calling it a rivalry kind of misrepresents it. It was definitely a feud, but UD was nowhere close to an equal. I mean…what was their recruiting pitch?? “We really hate Xavier!! and occasionally we beat them at home!!”? They totally obsessed over it, they almost never won, and it was rare that they were ever nationally relevant outside of the series. How is that good for a program?? They've actually been noticeably better and more relevant since it ended. I think there are lots of other reasons for that. I don't think winning at UD means someone is a good coach so much as losing at UD means they're a bad one. With that much money, and those kinds of resources, and how that compares to the rest of the conference, they should be dominating it. I think they're FINALLY starting to realize that. But when we were playing them, they were nothing more than an underachieving program that was totally obsessed with us and that was fun to pick on. Damn, I miss that!! It was fun being that big of a deal to another team that rarely beat us. But...like you said...that's long gone and it ain't gonna come back.

I think most of what you wrote here is spot on. When all of this is looked at through the sports-centric and fan-centric lense, your assessment of where VD stood vis-a-vis X is solid, in particular. Having noted that, while VD did make an E8 run and road Obi Toppin to the top of the charts a couple of years ago (let's call that a "fortunate bit of recruiting" that doesn't happen very often), I can only see VD as an abject failure for not taking command of an A10 that is truly a shell of its former self. They truly have no excuse. But that's their problem. It is nice to have moved on from such a delusional cesspool of fandom.

But I'll now take you back to my overriding point one last time. NONE of this is being looked at through a sports-centric lense. It has been looked at and will continue to be looked at from the institutional level, which is a much wider scope. The worst possible thing that could happen to Dayton, when it comes to its relationship with Xavier, is for Xavier to be welcomed into the Big East and for Dayton to be left behind. More prestige, more money, and more exposure, all of which, as one example, has led to annual application run rates of 15k rounded.

The Big East affiliation is more than about sports. There now is an annual BE PITCH COMPETITION where teams from each school develop business ideas and pitch them at a Big East competition. Xavier won Year 1 and it came in second last year. Our alignment with these schools is reaping benefits beyond what we see on the basketball court and in the other sports.

Xavier has placed Dayton in a small box as far as all this goes. VD is going to have to slug it out in a very watered down A10. That probably means no to virtually no slip-ups for them moving forward, if they want to sniff the NCAAT. Their problem is that they're virtually known for slipping up. It's what VD does, as it continues to prove that it is incapable of taking command of the A10 the way Xavier used to command it when the conference was stronger.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/big-east-expert-picks-2021-22-projected-order-of-finish-bold-predictions-overrated-and-underrated-teams/

Predictions?

[GoMuskies]

"This should be the best season yet under fourth-year coach Travis Steele."

I mean, if it's not it will be the last, so it had better be! I think it will. Poised for a big, big season. Very excited for the next 4 months!

[JTG]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/big-east-expert-picks-2021-22-projected-order-of-finish-bold-predictions-overrated-and-underrated-teams/

Predictions?

I think Butler and Marquette switch places. Marquette will be a tough out, Butler is low on talent this year.

[paulxu]

I couldn't understand that article talking about Freemantle being out of the lineup when he just played.
Then I saw it was from October.

[X-band '01]

Oh there are worse ones!! check out San Jose State!!

Their court is a work of art - but their coach was a washout at Nebraska.

The end

[GoMuskies]

11 months and 4 days, but this place always draws you back in.

[X-band '01]

shhhh - it's hard to sneak up on people when you post stuff like that.

[paulxu]

If a team has to cancel a game because of illness (Covid or other) do they:

1 - Forfeit the game?
2 - Does it count as a loss on their record and a win on their opponent's record?

[X-band '01]

If it's a noncon game, it's simply cancelled. I know the Pac-12, for example, gave Washington a forfeit loss (and UCLA a victory that shows up as a 2-0 forfeit) when they had to cancel their game with UCLA because of COVID. Different leagues are going to have different policies when it comes to these things.

And as I type this, I just read that Mick Cronin tested positive and UCLA's game with Alabama State is now cancelled. No word on whether or not UCLA/North Carolina is still on this weekend.

[D-West & PO-Z]

OSU/UK cancelled for Saturday due to OSU COVID issues.

Seton Hall/Iona also cancelled due to Seton Hall COVID issues.

Lets hope X avoids this crazy amount of cases affecting the NFL and college bball.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Seton Hall will forfeit against St. Johns Monday if they don't have 7 healthy players per BE rules.

[waggy]

These cancellations are pointless honestly.

[GoMuskies]

Iona should go to Vegas and play Kentucky. Kentucky is planning to go to Vegas and is looking for a game. Something tells me that Iona/Kentucky would generate a lot of national interest, but I just cant' quite put my finger on why....

[muskiefan82]

And as I type this, I just read that Mick Cronin tested positive and UCLA's game with Alabama State is now cancelled. No word on whether or not UCLA/North Carolina is still on this weekend.

Ah yes, the YTG variant.

[D-West & PO-Z]

These cancellations are pointless honestly.

Why?

[waggy]

Why?

This has been going on for 2 years. Get real.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This has been going on for 2 years. Get real.

I dont understand what that has to do with a team not having enough healthy players to play?

[waggy]

I dont understand what that has to do with a team not having enough healthy players to play?

Ok, that's a different issue. But if it's just precaution because of contact, that's another.

[bobbiemcgee]

Seton Hall will forfeit against St. Johns Monday if they don't have 7 healthy players per BE rules.

Looks like all 3 games Iona. SJU and Depaul will be canceled. Tough break to start conference season.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Looks like all 3 games Iona. SJU and Depaul will be canceled. Tough break to start conference season.

Are you guessing or seeing that somewhere? Because that would place Seton Hall at 0-2 in the BE to start the season. That would be brutal considering those are two of the more winnable games in the BE.

[noteggs]

Interesting article on the Seton Hall issue (doesn’t say will they cancel BE games, but if). Sounds like it could be contact tracing protocols. Also talks about the BE forfeit stuff and how the NCAA is going to handle those loses come tournament time. Going to be interesting times for sure.

https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2021/12/16/seton-hall-basketball-covid-scratches-iona-game-big-east-forfeits-looming/8924206002/

[D-West & PO-Z]

Interesting article on the Seton Hall issue (doesn’t say will they cancel BE games, but if). Sounds like it could be contact tracing protocols. Also talks about the BE forfeit stuff and how the NCAA is going to handle those loses come tournament time. Going to be interesting times for sure.

https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2021/12/16/seton-hall-basketball-covid-scratches-iona-game-big-east-forfeits-looming/8924206002/

Interesting, thanks for posting. What makes you think its contact tracing protocols?

So the tourney committee and NET don't count the forfeit as losses, so I guess the teams who win don't get credit for the wins either? I had read previously that Seton Hall had a number of players unvaccinated despite Seton Hall as a university requiring vaccinations. Wonder how that effects their ability to get back to play sooner? Not sure of the BE's rules for that.

[X-band '01]

For starters, if they're still unvaccinated they cannot play at St. John's or the Big East Tournament. That might be a minor inconvenience.

[D-West & PO-Z]

For starters, if they're still unvaccinated they cannot play at St. John's or the Big East Tournament. That might be a minor inconvenience.

Not true actually. The NYC rule does not apply to visiting teams. So it does apply to St. Johns but not Seton Hall or XU, etc.

Same in the NBA.

[noteggs]

Interesting, thanks for posting. What makes you think its contact tracing protocols?

So the tourney committee and NET don't count the forfeit as losses, so I guess the teams who win don't get credit for the wins either? I had read previously that Seton Hall had a number of players unvaccinated despite Seton Hall as a university requiring vaccinations. Wonder how that effects their ability to get back to play sooner? Not sure of the BE's rules for that.

Obviously I don’t know for sure and don’t have first hand knowledge on how SH is handling covid. Wrongly or rightly, I instinctively think of contact tracing when I hear the words protocols.

Guess it could be about being vaxed, but why would they implement this policy now right before BE play? But understand your point on unvaccinated players. Timing just seems odd.

Finally, if it was number of cases, think they would just flat out and say it vs using the word protocols. Not sure what other protocols there would be other than quarantining after testing positive. Again, why not just say that because university is not breaking any privacy/hipaa violations? Yes a lot of conjectures here, but that’s all I got lol.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Obviously I don’t know for sure and don’t have first hand knowledge on how SH is handling covid. Wrongly or rightly, I instinctively think of contact tracing when I hear the words protocols.

Guess it could be about being vaxed, but why would they implement this policy now right before BE play? But understand your point on unvaccinated players. Timing just seems odd.

Finally, if it was number of cases, think they would just flat out and say it vs using the word protocols. Not sure what other protocols there would be other than quarantining after testing positive. Again, why not just say that because university is not breaking any privacy/hipaa violations? Yes a lot of conjectures here, but that’s all I got lol.

Yeah, I believe they use the word protocols even when the players have active COVID cases. I have seen that numerous places.

And I wasn't implying that the issue was related to a policy change about vaccination status, just commenting, as an aside, that I had read a SH had several players unvaccinated, so I was wondering if that makes their return to play a longer process, which could really have them potentially miss BE games.

[noteggs]

Yeah, I believe they use the word protocols even when the players have active COVID cases. I have seen that numerous places.

And I wasn't implying that the issue was related to a policy change about vaccination status, just commenting, as an aside, that I had read a SH had several players unvaccinated, so I was wondering if that makes their return to play a longer process, which could really have them potentially miss BE games.

So we’re back to where we started. Could be multiple positives, unvaccinated, or contact tracing. Based off each schools protocols, guess this canceling might be the norm (again) with different teams from week to week.

Side note, Montreal Canadians are not allowing fans to attend their next home game.

[xudash]

Ohio State v Kentucky cancelled due to COVID in Columbus.

[Xavier]

Forfeited games is an absolute joke. Even if it is only for Big East and NCAA won’t count the games, it’s a brutal way to climb out of if you want to win the big East and for big East tournament seeding. Just cancel the games or try rescheduling.

It’s just going to really suck if X is in position to claim regular season title then get 3 losses due to covid or something. Crazy the ADs agreed to that

[bobbiemcgee]

Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
·
37m
Big East rule is in place now where Seton Hall will forfeit its game against St. John’s, but league source told
@Stadium
they will continue to monitor situation and be willing to adapt the rule if need be.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Forfeited games is an absolute joke. Even if it is only for Big East and NCAA won’t count the games, it’s a brutal way to climb out of if you want to win the big East and for big East tournament seeding. Just cancel the games or try rescheduling.

It’s just going to really suck if X is in position to claim regular season title then get 3 losses due to covid or something. Crazy the ADs agreed to that

Too hard to make up the games I guess and they want all the games to still count? X is in an advantageous position that all the players are vaccinated (I believe less testing and no contact tracing issues) while Seton Hall has several players not vaccinated.

[GoMuskies]

Ohio State v Kentucky cancelled due to COVID in Columbus.

UK and UNC will play in Vegas. Was supposed to be a doubleheader, but UCLA also had to cancel on the Tar Heels.

[XUGRAD80]

Texas Southern @ Cincinnati, scheduled for Sat 12/18, has been cancelled because of Covid in the Texas Southern program.

Update edit: UC will now play that Ohio power…Ashland College…instead.

[X-band '01]

St. Bonaventure has to be wishing their game against Virginia Tech was cancelled instead. The Hokies are doing things to them that would be illegal anywhere but Charlotte.

[XUGRAD80]

Check out this article from Cincinnati.com:

Xavier's entire men's basketball team is vaccinated: Here's what that means for this season

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2021/12/17/fully-vaccinated-heres-what-means-xavier-basketball/8946065002/

Considering where this thread has gone, I thought this article might be of interest to some here.

[bobbiemcgee]

This 'Nova team doesn't look invincible this year. (until we play them, of course)

[Xville]

This 'Nova team doesn't look invincible this year. (until we play them, of course)

Yeah they aren’t that great. Someone else is winning the big East this year

[paulxu]

The face of Covid in your nightmares:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2698/4255064211_18bbb5c5a7.jpg

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah they aren’t that great. Someone else is winning the big East this year

It's going to be a battle every game. "Nova losing and SHU 0-1 could help us already, espec. for BET

[Xuperman]

VaTech just blasted St Bonaventure into A10 reality. Why...Why couldn't they do the same to UDump!

[paulxu]

Yikes, Butler.

[xudash]

Yikes, Johnnies. 57-57 and 8 seconds and a lot of missed chances to seal it.

Great defense. Lost 59-57.

[xubrew]

COVID is ruining the season. Fuck COVID!!

[paulxu]

Arizona seems to be doing well with a coach who was only an assistant prior to taking the job.

[bobbiemcgee]

COVID is ruining the season. Fuck COVID!!

Crei get a covid win over Depaul.

[noteggs]

Just really strange, SJ loses a game but gains a game in BE to go 1-0

[paulxu]

Rough day OOC for the BE.

[Xville]

Every time I see auburn I wonder how Bruce pearl still has a job and is not in jail somewhere.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Every time I see auburn I wonder how Bruce pearl still has a job and is not in jail somewhere.

wow, slu is up double digits! I haven't been able to watch yet, about to turn on now.

[xudash]

wow, slu is up double digits! I haven't been able to watch yet, about to turn on now.

The key thing to note about that game is how much nicer Cintas is than that place.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The key thing to note about that game is how much nicer Cintas is than that place.

Chaifetz is very nice

[GoMuskies]

I think Wes Miller is and is going to be a very good basketball coach. For now, UC has limited talent, but if Miller sticks around that's likely to change. So....UNC is currently a mess. Hubert Davis was clearly a terrible choice, and it's only going to get worse (although the garbage ACC might mask it a bit). Now that we've smashed UC, I'm perfectly okay with them having a good year in the AAC. Even a big year. And then having their promising young coach ripped out from under them and called home to Chapel Hill. UC won't make two good basketball coaching hires in a row.

[bleedXblue]

I think Wes Miller is and is going to be a very good basketball coach. For now, UC has limited talent, but if Miller sticks around that's likely to change. So....UNC is currently a mess. Hubert Davis was clearly a terrible choice, and it's only going to get worse (although the garbage ACC might mask it a bit). Now that we've smashed UC, I'm perfectly okay with them having a good year in the AAC. Even a big year. And then having their promising young coach ripped out from under them and called home to Chapel Hill. UC won't make two good basketball coaching hires in a row.

The Big 12 will help them for sure. That will be a very good league.

Agreed Miller wont be there long......

[Strange Brew]

I think Wes Miller is and is going to be a very good basketball coach. For now, UC has limited talent, but if Miller sticks around that's likely to change. So....UNC is currently a mess. Hubert Davis was clearly a terrible choice, and it's only going to get worse (although the garbage ACC might mask it a bit). Now that we've smashed UC, I'm perfectly okay with them having a good year in the AAC. Even a big year. And then having their promising young coach ripped out from under them and called home to Chapel Hill. UC won't make two good basketball coaching hires in a row.

I hope they lose every game. Their recruits leave but are still forced to field a team in perpetuity while X stomps them annually.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I hope they lose every game. Their recruits leave but are still forced to field a team in perpetuity while X stomps them annually.

Samesies.

[paulxu]

I hope the game tomorrow is not in jeopardy from Covid. XU is late in posting game info on their site.

[GIMMFD]

COVID is ruining the season. Fuck COVID!!

Amen. Interestingly enough was reading an article on The Athletic, and some interesting blurbs:

- Dan Gavitt said the NCAA have had zero discussions of setting up a tournament bubble (this time last year plans were being finalized, and were announced officially January 4th)
- Gavitt said because of vaccinations, no contact tracing is being done this season. Last year, if a player tested negative but had been close enough for long enough to someone who contracted the virus, that player would get “traced out.” That is no longer the case.
- Forfeit games are a conference distinction, not an NCAA one. So for the "forfeit" losses they won't even be on the team sheets for the selection committee, they're completely treating them as if they never took place (removed from the W/L record, not factored into NET ratings, etc.)

[paulxu]

Hmm...maybe we should just "covid out" of some games as the season wears on as those games won't affect our NET.
In fact...I wonder if anyone is doing that now?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hmm...maybe we should just "covid out" of some games as the season wears on as those games won't affect our NET.
In fact...I wonder if anyone is doing that now?

I'd imagine faking covid to avoid playing a game isn't a risk worth taking, considering there would probably be considerable backlash. I can't imagine it would go over too well with the teams own players either.

[paulxu]

Yikes! Failed to turn on sarcasm font. Sorry.

[GoMuskies]

Kentucky is still looking for a "high profile" opponent this week to replace Louisville. I mean, Xavier could swing the old team plane by Lexington for a Thursday night game on the way back from Philly.

[X-band '01]

I think Wes Miller is and is going to be a very good basketball coach. For now, UC has limited talent, but if Miller sticks around that's likely to change. So....UNC is currently a mess. Hubert Davis was clearly a terrible choice, and it's only going to get worse (although the garbage ACC might mask it a bit). Now that we've smashed UC, I'm perfectly okay with them having a good year in the AAC. Even a big year. And then having their promising young coach ripped out from under them and called home to Chapel Hill. UC won't make two good basketball coaching hires in a row.

Which reminds me - how much did John Brannen enjoy the Crosstown Blowout this year? They couldn't exactly blame him for what happened this season.

[XUGRAD80]

Which reminds me - how much did John Brannen enjoy the Crosstown Blowout this year? They couldn't exactly blame him for what happened this season.

I don’t know how much HE enjoyed it, but it seems his WiFE sure did. Evidently shes a regular tweeter of comments about UC and none of them are nice.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Which reminds me - how much did John Brannen enjoy the Crosstown Blowout this year? They couldn't exactly blame him for what happened this season.

Oh, they did blame him. I saw PLENTY of blame towards JB for this years blowout.

[Smails]

Oh, they did blame him. I saw PLENTY of blame towards JB for this years blowout.

Oh yeah..the mouth breathers in Clifton would not dare put any of that loss on Wes Wooden-Rupp. That loss is 100% on Brannen, the roster he left behind and the leftover stench of his regime. My guess is that narrative will continue as they fight their way the trash that is the AAC.

[UCGRAD4X]

Samesies.

Thirdsies.

I lost what little respect I had for the whole institution while I was still there and couldn't wait to leave.

With apologies to Groucho, any university that would give a dumbass like me a doctoral degree....

[muskiefan82]

Kentucky is still looking for a "high profile" opponent this week to replace Louisville. I mean, Xavier could swing the old team plane by Lexington for a Thursday night game on the way back from Philly.

I have to say getting WKU for a game in lieu of louisville to raise money to help the tornado victims is what is right with sports

[XUGRAD80]

I have to say getting WKU for a game in lieu of louisville to raise money to help the tornado victims is what is right with sports

Very classy. It hasn’t been reported much but there was a lot of damage done in the Bowling Green, Ky area too. Wouldn’t be surprised if some of the players know people that were directly affected.

[xubrew]

I went to the Louder Than Life Festival this past September. Vaccines or proof of a negative test were required to be admitted to the event. It was constant drinking, eating, loud music, drunk people packed together all day long, no masks, and no problems. There were 45,000 people there, and COVID infections were not a thing.

If Metallica can do it, then so can the NCAA. I’m at that point now. Players must be vaccinated to play, and fans must be vaccinated to attend. With that, games won’t need to be cancelled, the arenas can be full, and there will no longer be a need for masks, or distancing, or anything like that. No one is being discriminated against because of race, gender, age, or religion. No one’s livelihood or well being is being threatened. No one’s rights are being violated. I’m totally against forcing people to get a vaccine by threatening their freedoms, livelihoods, or well being if they choose not to do it. But participating in and/or attending college sporting events is not a right at all. If there is a way for games to not have to be cancelled, and for fans at the games to go full blown and act like fans every single night, then I’m for it!! If anti-vaxxers threaten to boycott…oh well. The arenas will still be full, and even if they aren’t I’d much rather have the games played as scheduled, and have the full blown game and fan experience without them than NOT have it with them.

There was even an argument made that participating in college sports was important to the mental health of the athletes, so we needed to play college football in fall 2020 for their sake. Well if that were genuine, then we now need to require vaccines for fans and players for their sake as well so more and more games don’t need to be cancelled, and so the NCAA Tournament can go off as scheduled, in the places it’s scheduled, with fans who can drink and yell and high five and who don’t need to wear masks.

If the NCAA REALLY wanted to, they could have this done before Christmas.

[GoMuskies]

Given this wave, I don't think a vaccine mandate makes any sense. Vaccinate to protect yourself, but it doesn't really matter if the guy sitting next to you is vaccinated.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Given this wave, I don't think a vaccine mandate makes any sense. Vaccinate to protect yourself, but it doesn't really matter if the guy sitting next to you is vaccinated.

It does for me and many others.

I get people can say just don't go then, but I have been to several games this year. I mask (except when I was too drunk to remember for UC) and take that risk, knowing for me it is a risk, but it would definitely be awesome if I knew the people sitting around me were vaccinated as well.

[GoMuskies]

I don't think it matters with Omicron. Maybe a little. But not enough for a mandate.

[Smails]

I don't think it matters with Omicron. Maybe a little. But not enough for a mandate.

Yeah..it sure looks like little Omi is going to be quite resistant to our current vaccines. IMO if you have not had Covid yet..you're going to get it regardless of vax status. Load up on D3, C and Zinc so when it does hit you, you're able to fight it off. I believe in the efficacy of vaccines, but masking certainly seems completely useless at this point.

[xubrew]

I don't think it matters with Omicron. Maybe a little. But not enough for a mandate.

I don't know either. I've heard that those with boosters are far less likely to get it, and that the more who are vaccinated then the less risk there is. Based on that (and admittedly ONLY that), if EVERYONE at an event is vaccinated, then it seems to me that the risk would be infinitesimal.

I don't give a shit about politics. Well, I do, but not in this case. What I give a shit about is being able to remove the cloud of COVID over events that I really enjoy. If we can do that, then awesome!! Let's do it!! As for the people that don't want to be vaccinated, I totally respect that. If they decide they don't want to play or attend if they have to be vaccinated, then I totally respect that as well. Truth be told, I don't like going to games now because if I have to wear a mask and social distance, then I'd rather just watch on TV. But...putting this policy in place violates no one's rights so far as I can tell. Attending games is not a right. Neither is playing in them.

[MHettel]

Well, they could always just change the definition of "vaccinated" again, right?

[xubrew]

Well, they could always just change the definition of "vaccinated" again, right?

Isn't that how it always is for all coronaviruses?? So...I've got no problems with that.

[GIMMFD]

It does for me and many others.

I get people can say just don't go then, but I have been to several games this year. I mask (except when I was too drunk to remember for UC) and take that risk, knowing for me it is a risk, but it would definitely be awesome if I knew the people sitting around me were vaccinated as well.

Yeah, I'm with ya here, it matters for some, matters less for others, risk assessment is generally something that someone logical does. I'd love if everyone was vaccinated obviously, would make my life a bit easier, but at the end of the day people have their beliefs. I will say I forced my parents (68 and 64 respectively) to get vaccinated as soon as they were eligible, along with the boosters and my mother (64) got COVID a couple months back, and she had a very very mild case thank the Lord. My favorite part of the whole ordeal when calling to check in on her was that she went, "well this is proof the vaccines work if I'm not coughing out my lung."

[Xville]

Don't like Mack and hope he loses every single game for the rest of his coaching career but with this, I agree completely:

https://news.yahoo.com/chris-mack-questions-covid-policies-144636587.html

Making Asymptomatic players quarantine for 10 days is effing stupid when we have vaccines. Why do we have the same protocols as we did in 2020? dumb

[xubrew]

Don't like Mack and hope he loses every single game for the rest of his coaching career but with this, I agree completely:

https://news.yahoo.com/chris-mack-questions-covid-policies-144636587.html

Making Asymptomatic players quarantine for 10 days is effing stupid when we have vaccines. Why do we have the same protocols as we did in 2020? dumb

Totally agree!!

[muskiefan82]

Now I really want the UK -UL game to be rescheduled. UK might win by 50 and that would be fun

[paulxu]

#6 Alabama lost to #19 Tennessee...at Tenn.
Maybe not that much of a surprise that #18 XU lost to #23 Nova...at Nova.

(yes, trying to put lipstick on that pig)

[waggy]

They were beat by Davidson Paul, not Tennessee. A week from now you might be right however.

[GIMMFD]

They were beat by Davidson Paul, not Tennessee. A week from now you might be right however.

He's talking about #6 Arizona losing to Tennessee at Tennessee tonight lol.

[paulxu]

Sorry....Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia...they all blend together when you've had too much bourbon.

Yes, I meant Arizona.

[usfldan]

Don't like Mack and hope he loses every single game for the rest of his coaching career but with this, I agree completely:

https://news.yahoo.com/chris-mack-questions-covid-policies-144636587.html

Making Asymptomatic players quarantine for 10 days is effing stupid when we have vaccines. Why do we have the same protocols as we did in 2020? dumb

Players who have tested positive should be allowed to play just because they don't have symptoms? I don't agree with that. They should be in isolation and not spreading the virus that they have.

Letting players play who were close contacts but don't have symptoms and don't have a positive test (and preferably are vaccinated), I'm fine with that.

[Xville]

Players who have tested positive should be allowed to play just because they don't have symptoms? I don't agree with that. They should be in isolation and not spreading the virus that they have.

Letting players play who were close contacts but don't have symptoms and don't have a positive test (and preferably are vaccinated), I'm fine with that.

I disagree. When is it going to be time that we live with this virus? It’s not just going to disappear. People have played basketball with the flu and no one seemed to care that they were spreading their virus all over the place. Yes I know this isn’t the flu but it basically is in terms of symptoms for those vaccinated at this point. there are vaccines out there that reduce hospitalizations death etc. are we just going to keep doing this every single winter?

[xubrew]

Half of the Diamond Head Classic games were cancelled today. It totally ruined Christmas for everyone.

[xubrew]

I went to the Louder Than Life Festival this past September. Vaccines or proof of a negative test were required to be admitted to the event. It was constant drinking, eating, loud music, drunk people packed together all day long, no masks, and no problems. There were 45,000 people there, and COVID infections were not a thing.

If Metallica can do it, then so can the NCAA. I’m at that point now. Players must be vaccinated to play, and fans must be vaccinated to attend. With that, games won’t need to be cancelled, the arenas can be full, and there will no longer be a need for masks, or distancing, or anything like that. No one is being discriminated against because of race, gender, age, or religion. No one’s livelihood or well being is being threatened. No one’s rights are being violated. I’m totally against forcing people to get a vaccine by threatening their freedoms, livelihoods, or well being if they choose not to do it. But participating in and/or attending college sporting events is not a right at all. If there is a way for games to not have to be cancelled, and for fans at the games to go full blown and act like fans every single night, then I’m for it!! If anti-vaxxers threaten to boycott…oh well. The arenas will still be full, and even if they aren’t I’d much rather have the games played as scheduled, and have the full blown game and fan experience without them than NOT have it with them.

There was even an argument made that participating in college sports was important to the mental health of the athletes, so we needed to play college football in fall 2020 for their sake. Well if that were genuine, then we now need to require vaccines for fans and players for their sake as well so more and more games don’t need to be cancelled, and so the NCAA Tournament can go off as scheduled, in the places it’s scheduled, with fans who can drink and yell and high five and who don’t need to wear masks.

If the NCAA REALLY wanted to, they could have this done before Christmas.

I’m now past this point. If players want to play and fans want to attend, then vaccinated/boosted, or get the fuck out and stay the fuck out. I’d much rather have games played with full rosters and coaching staffs without unvaccinated people than have games cancelled with unvaccinated people. If you’re fully vaccinated and gotten the booster and are not around anyone who hasn’t done that, then the chances of getting sick are infinitely small. Let’s do that. Let’s only let players play and fans attend if they’ve been fully vaccinated and boosted.

[GoMuskies]

I don't care about the vaccinated part. Just loosen the rules and only test people with symptoms.

[xu82]

Half of the Diamond Head Classic games were cancelled today. It totally ruined Christmas for everyone.

If I were in Hawaii instead of Atlanta, I could get over it.

[paulxu]

Maybe the new guidelines will allow for teams to field enough players.

[Xville]

The fact that these are the policies two years later is insane. Wtf are we doing. There are vaccines, it is two years later. It is time to move on.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't care about the vaccinated part. Just loosen the rules and only test people with symptoms.

It is interesting, because Steele told Adam Baum that is exactly what Xavier is doing. If someone has symptoms they test and if positive they isolate and everyone else goes on their way.

So one of a few things must be the case:

1. Steele oversimplified it and didn't really explain it properly to Baum and Xavier tests everyone symptoms or not if someone was positive.

2. Xavier truly does not test asymptomatic players regardless of if someone does test positive. But other teams in the BE for some reason do test asymptomatic players.

3. No one is testing asymptomatic players and everyone who is upset about that is upset for no reason because it isnt happening.


My guess is Steele didn't explain it quite fully. Or #3. #2 would make no sense.

[xudash]

I would not accuse Providence and Seton hall of playing a clean second half.

[XUBison]

I would not accuse Providence and Seton hall of playing a clean second half.

Hey, at least they played, in front of a packed house no less.

[XUBison]

I’m now past this point. If players want to play and fans want to attend, then vaccinated/boosted, or get the fuck out and stay the fuck out. I’d much rather have games played with full rosters and coaching staffs without unvaccinated people than have games cancelled with unvaccinated people. If you’re fully vaccinated and gotten the booster and are not around anyone who hasn’t done that, then the chances of getting sick are infinitely small. Let’s do that. Let’s only let players play and fans attend if they’ve been fully vaccinated and boosted.

Here’s a whacky idea - How about those who want to coach, play, and attend can, and those who don’t want to can stay home? The games could go on, and the plan doesn’t even require a vaccine passport. Super simple.

[xubrew]

Here’s a whacky idea - How about those who want to coach, play, and attend can, and those who don’t want to can stay home? The games could go on, and the plan doesn’t even require a vaccine passport. Super simple.

You’re right. That’s a whacky idea. The NCAA requires physicals, and MMRs, and has random drug testing for all athletes in all three divisions, and literally no one thinks of it as unnecessary or an overstep. Neither would requiring a COVID vaccine.

[GoMuskies]

Meh, there's no need to force college kids to get the vaccine. If you're sick, don't play. If you can play, play.

[noteggs]

Well looks like Illinois State being short 3 players held their own against Wisconsin and lose by 4. Still 8 minutes left and Tennessee is beating Alabama by 1 with 2 players out for UT. Guess we can still play without starters and a depleted bench.

[xubrew]

Meh, there's no need to force college kids to get the vaccine. If you're sick, don't play. If you can play, play.

That’s kind of how I feel about random drug testing. The NCAA can show up with almost no notice and require whoever they want to take a urine test while they watch them do it, but no one really takes issue with that. Talk about invasive! But I guess recreational drug use is more of a concern than COVID. Okay, sure. They also don’t take issues with how physicals and other proofs of vaccinations are required. It’s just that some people have decided to make COVID an issue, when it’s really no more of an issue than several other things that all players are required to do.

[xubrew]

Well looks like Illinois State being short 3 players held their own against Wisconsin and lose by 4. Still 8 minutes left and Tennessee is beating Alabama by 1 with 2 players out for UT. Guess we can still play without starters and a depleted bench.

I guess, but I still think it’s a stupid thing to just shrug off. I’m not saying you’re saying that, but anyone who is okay with this being a new normal is a moron.

[xubrew]

At last count there are 28 games that are either cancelled or postponed for Thursday, including what would have been a top ten match-up between UCLA and Arizona, and several other important games. This fucking sucks.

[JTG]

It would be interesting to check how many games have been called off by the underdog, or the visitor, versus the home team and/or favorite. I think UCONN was gaming the system. As for Georgetown, I read yesterday they have plans to go virtual and cancel ALL events until Jan 31.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It would be interesting to check how many games have been called off by the underdog, or the visitor, versus the home team and/or favorite. I think UCONN was gaming the system. As for Georgetown, I read yesterday they have plans to go virtual and cancel ALL events until Jan 31.

Other than being a Xavier fan that was upset the game was cancelled last minute, what makes you think UConn was gaming the system?

[xubrew]

Other than being a Xavier fan that was upset the game was cancelled last minute, what makes you think UConn was gaming the system?

To be fair, it is very plausible and easy for me to believe that a team would rather have a key game cancelled or postponed than than to have to play it without key players. I'm not accusing UConn specifically of doing that, but amongst the whispers there are suspicions of cases where teams are saying they can't play when they can, or even intentionally infecting players so they don't have to. I don't know if that's factually happening, but it is definitely being rumored to be.

[D-West & PO-Z]

To be fair, it is very plausible and easy for me to believe that a team would rather have a key game cancelled or postponed than than to have to play it without key players. I'm not accusing UConn specifically of doing that, but amongst the whispers there are suspicions of cases where teams are saying they can't play when they can, or even intentionally infecting players so they don't have to. I don't know if that's factually happening, but it is definitely being rumored to be.

1. I totally agree a team would rather have the game cancelled than play without key players.

2. Who, besides Xavier fans on twitter, are rumoring that UConn had enough coaches and players to play but cancelled anyway bc they didnt want to play short handed?

It would be interesting to know the process the Big East has for a team reporting that they don't have enough coaches and/or players to play. I would imagine faking that would come with some fairly harsh consequences if found out. I also think a team saying they don't when they do also pigeon holes them in other ways, as not being able to practice etc.

[xubrew]

1. I totally agree a team would rather have the game cancelled than play without key players.

2. Who, besides Xavier fans on twitter, are rumoring that UConn had enough coaches and players to play but cancelled anyway bc they didnt want to play short handed?

It would be interesting to know the process the Big East has for a team reporting that they don't have enough coaches and/or players to play. I would imagine faking that would come with some fairly harsh consequences if found out. I also think a team saying they don't when they do also pigeon holes them in other ways, as not being able to practice etc.

No clue. Maybe no one. I wasn't even talking about UConn specifically. I was just pointing out that in some coaching and AD circles, there are whispers that this may be going on.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No clue. Maybe no one. I wasn't even talking about UConn specifically. I was just pointing out that in some coaching and AD circles, there are whispers that this may be going on.

How do you know that? Did a reporter tweet that or write about it? Or did a coach say it?

Not asking that in an accusatory way, just generally curious/would like to read if that has been said.

I could totally see it try and be abused, that is why I am curious how teams report they dont have the players/coaches to play.

[noteggs]

To be fair, it is very plausible and easy for me to believe that a team would rather have a key game cancelled or postponed than than to have to play it without key players. I'm not accusing UConn specifically of doing that, but amongst the whispers there are suspicions of cases where teams are saying they can't play when they can, or even intentionally infecting players so they don't have to. I don't know if that's factually happening, but it is definitely being rumored to be.

Yea that what was alluding to last night. Again hats off to UT for having the guts to play a ranked opponent on the road while being short handed.

[paulxu]

This feels more like the off-season than a college basketball season.

[GoMuskies]

Looks like Cincy is going to lose at home to Tulane. What a shame.

[xudash]

I watched some of the Villanova versus Seton Hall game today. Very physical.

Toughness. I really think it is going to come down to toughness with our guys.

[X-band '01]

So if you told me that there would be a month's buildup for UC and they fall behind by 26 points in the first half, who thought we'd be talking about Tulane?

[Lloyd Braun]

I watched some of the Villanova versus Seton Hall game today. Very physical.

Toughness. I really think it is going to come down to toughness with our guys.

Not to be Debby downer but I hope not

[hoopster68]

Watched the same game. Makes me proud XU is in the Big East; makes me concerned for the season.

[xubrew]

The new top 25 is out. One of the writers in the AP poll ranked Georgia 4th and left Gonzaga out altogether. It's painfully obvious this was a mistake because they use that pulldown menu to vote. But, it still technically counts! Georgia is now in the AP top 30!!

[GoMuskies]

That's okay, I don't think the voters on the women's side even bothered to pay attention this week. #1 South Carolina lost to 12-2 Missouri, and the voters didn't bother to drop South Carolina, and yet they didn't vote Missouri into the top 25.

[paulxu]

The new top 25 is out. One of the writers in the AP poll ranked Georgia 4th and left Gonzaga out altogether. It's painfully obvious this was a mistake because they use that pulldown menu to vote. But, it still technically counts! Georgia is now in the AP top 30!!

He's from Michigan, and was doing a football ranking.

[xubrew]

He's from Michigan, and was doing a football ranking.

He's actually from Hawaii, and to his credit I believe he quickly acknowledged that it was a mistake. It seems to me that someone at the AP should have checked that, but...whatever. It really doesn't matter.

[paulxu]

He's actually from Hawaii, and to his credit I believe he quickly acknowledged that it was a mistake. It seems to me that someone at the AP should have checked that, but...whatever. It really doesn't matter.

I didn't mean he was actually from Michigan...I was attempting a joke about Michigan's football loss to Georgia and him putting Georgia in the poll.

[xubrew]

17 games (so far) are cancelled or postponed today. That's not an unusually high number. Of the games that aren't cancelled, many teams are shorthanded and/or without key players.

I'm actually to a point with college basketball that I don't think I've been at since before I was 7 years old. I just don't care that much. It's not fun to look at each days games like it normally is, because you don't know if they're going to be cancelled or not, and of the ones that are played you're not sure what players are actually available. When the games are played or when you actually go to a game there is sometimes so much COVID protocol that I'd really rather just be at home. It's not the diversion that it normally is. At least not for me. I'm beginning to wonder if there's even really a point to trying to keep it going (There IS a point. I know that. But it feels like there really isn't. At least to me).

Rant over.

[GoMuskies]

Check back February 1. This will all be in the rear view and we'll be humming towards March Madness. You'll be back.