Karma meet Mack. Mack meet Karma

[IM4X]

I realize the latest news about Mack talked about in another thread, but I thought it was unfair of us not to give the gentleman his own thread.

One can’’t be too upset to see a greedy guy, willing to throw anyone (including friends and players) under the bus just to save his own ass or make himself look better - finally start getting a little taste of Karma.

Deer Karma, now that you introduced yourself, maybe you’ll want to visit more often.

This guy may be very rich one day, but if he keeps on this path, it sure doesn’t look like he’s going to have any real friends left to come hang with him at his Palace.


https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32096612/louisville-cardinals-suspend-men-basketball-coach-chris-mack-six-games-role-extortion-case


Towards the end of this video (10:00 mark), Tyra makes a comment that seems to suggests the door is open to potentially fire Mack, should the investigation into the allegations Dino brought forth show some wrong doing on Mack’s part).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=92UGJ-IsmKQ

[XUGRAD80]

Hahahahaha……

Mack….How we looking?


Not good.

Karma baby, Karma.

[XUBison]

Hahahahaha……

Mack….How we looking?


Not good.

Karma baby, Karma.

This is your Best post ever, and it’s not even close.

[bjf123]

Hahahahaha……

Mack….How we looking?


Not good.

Karma baby, Karma.

When I read that, I hear Marty Brennaman’s voice.


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[nuts4xu]

This guy may be very rich one day…



To clarify, Chris Mack is very rich already….

[XU 87]

Chris Mack was a very, very good coach at X. He also played here. I don't exactly root for him at UL, because I want him to think, "Man, I should never have left X." That said, I don't get why some take, what appears to me, great joy in his current and potential downfall.

[paulxu]

Schadenfreude.

[MADXSTER]

Schadenfreude.

^^^^^^

[Strange Brew]

Chris Mack was a very, very good coach at X. He also played here. I don't exactly root for him at UL, because I want him to think, "Man, I should never have left X." That said, I don't get why some take, what appears to me, great joy in his current and potential downfall.

With you 87. Especially since this thread is all about Karma…

[GoMuskies]

Chris Mack was a very, very good coach at X. He also played here. I don't exactly root for him at UL, because I want him to think, "Man, I should never have left X." That said, I don't get why some take, what appears to me, great joy in his current and potential downfall.

I take great joy in it. Everyone knew he was an ass. And his downfall involves a guy crying and wiping away the tears with $100 bills, so it's not like the guy is exactly going to be bad off.

[XUGRAD80]

Chris Mack was a very, very good coach at X. He also played here. I don't exactly root for him at UL, because I want him to think, "Man, I should never have left X." That said, I don't get why some take, what appears to me, great joy in his current and potential downfall.

I take no great joy in seeing him be suspended. But I also took no great joy in seeing some long term co-workers, who he had often talked about as being friends, be cast away and taking the fall for the programs failures. I don’t see where Dino did much wrong. He basically said that his firing wasn’t justified and if Mack didn’t honor his CONTRACT that he was going to “spill the beans”. It wasn’t like he went to Mack and said either double my salary or I tell all. Mack initiated the whole thing by basically kicking him out the door with nothing. Now it’s Mack that is going to suffer also. As well he should for his failures as an administrator and for not following proper university procedures. He treated Dino like a dirtbag and now he might get the same treatment. That’s Karma. What comes around, goes around. I’d rather that none of this had gone on and that Mack had treated Dino and Murray better, but he didn’t. So now he has to deal with the aftermath of his own actions. I don’t think it’s anything other than ironic. It doesn’t make my happy or sad that Mack is getting suspended. But I can’t help but see the irony in the situation. Not a good look for any of them involved.

[Xavier]

I don’t see where Dino did much wrong. He basically said that his firing wasn’t justified and if Mack didn’t honor his CONTRACT that he was going to “spill the beans”. It wasn’t like he went to Mack and said either double my salary or I tell all. .

He did nothing wrong at all, minus extorting him. Coaches get rid of assistants all the time, feel like we have seen many people wanting Travis to get rid of them. Sorry, thats the job. I don't see how anyone but Dino is in the wrong here.

Pretty simple, Mack wanting to shake things up. Sucks it was his friend but that is the risk you take in hiring friends.

[Blue Blooded-05]

It always makes me sad when bad things happen to good people.

Fortunately, that does not appear to be the case with this sh!tstorm.

[XU 87]

I don’t see where Dino did much wrong. He basically said that his firing wasn’t justified and if Mack didn’t honor his CONTRACT that he was going to “spill the beans”.

Dino's contract was not renewed. After that, he tried to extort 1.5 years of salary from Mack/UL that he legally was not entitled to. That's why he pled guilty to the charge in federal court.

I like Dino, but he clearly was in the wrong here.

[XUGRAD80]

Read the transcript of the conversation….Mack PROMISED that Dino would get paid. Even said he would take it out of his own money if need be. Tells Dino he is giving him his word. That’s a verbal agreement. You can say he just didn’t have his contract renewed, but in essence he was fired. In the conversation, Mack even admits that he is doing it to save his own a$$. Then turns around and $h*ts all over him. It’s going to bite Mack in the a$$ when it’s all over.

By the way…all Dino got was probation. That’s kinda like the judge agreed that he didn’t really do anything wrong.

I wonder if any of those defending Mack have ever had anything like this happen to them in their careers? I did, many years ago, and it totally sucks.

[bleedXblue]

Read the transcript of the conversation….Mack PROMISED that Dino would get paid. Even said he would take it out of his own money if need be. Tells Dino he is giving him his word. That’s a verbal agreement. You can say he just didn’t have his contract renewed, but in essence he was fired. In the conversation, Mack even admits that he is doing it to save his own a$$. Then turns around and $h*ts all over him. It’s going to bite Mack in the a$$ when it’s all over.

By the way…all Dino got was probation. That’s kinda like the judge agreed that he didn’t really do anything wrong.

I wonder if any of those defending Mack have ever had anything like this happen to them in their careers? I did, many years ago, and it totally sucks.

exactly as soon as Mack promised he would take care of him, he was in the wrong......

[XU 87]

Read the transcript of the conversation….Mack PROMISED that Dino would get paid. Even said he would take it out of his own money if need be. Tells Dino he is giving him his word. That’s a verbal agreement. You can say he just didn’t have his contract renewed, but in essence he was fired. In the conversation, Mack even admits that he is doing it to save his own a$$. Then turns around and $h*ts all over him. It’s going to bite Mack in the a$$ when it’s all over.

By the way…all Dino got was probation. That’s kinda like the judge agreed that he didn’t really do anything wrong.

I wonder if any of those defending Mack have ever had anything like this happen to them in their careers? I did, many years ago, and it totally sucks.

No, if Dino did nothing wrong he wouldn't have pled guilty to a federal felony. He got off light probably because he's 64 years old and has no previous criminal record. This crime was also more a terrible error in judgment.

There was no agreement other than Dino threatening to inform the NCAA about some violations unless Dino got paid 1.5 years of salary, which is extortion. Had Mack agreed to Dino's threats, I suppose there would be an agreement, albeit unenforceable since it was a result of extortion. Bottom line- Extortion is illegal.

I've met Dino a couple of times. Good guy. I feel bad for him that his contract wasn't renewed. But this ain't the way you handle the situation. Unfortunately, he paid a big price for his serious errors in judgment.

[Smails]

Unfortunately, he paid a big price for his serious errors in judgment.

Exactly. Do you know how many fired assistants have recruiting dirt on their former employers? I would guess that number is north of 80% at big time programs. How many of those assistants extorted their former employers? Just Dino Gaudio as far as I can recall. Dumb, dumb move.

[MHettel]

Exactly. Do you know how many fired assistants have recruiting dirt on their former employers? I would guess that number is north of 80% at big time programs. How many of those assistants extorted their former employers? Just Dino Gaudio as far as I can recall. Dumb, dumb move.

Unless of course the extortion worked, in which case you wouldn't know. Right?

[XUGRAD80]

I think of these asst. coaches as being equal to upper management in many large companies. As such, many might be surprised just how many upper management executives are given large severance packages to leave a company when there is a management shakeup. Even many that are in a similar situation where their contract is not “renewed”. It’s pretty much the acceptable procedure in many industries, especially for employees that are 1) long term and 2) older. It’s a way for the companies to avoid expensive legal cases that can be very bad for public perception.

I don’t think that this story is done yet. Especially if Mack hires a younger person to replace Dino.

[MHettel]

It is weird when you compare this to a normal "business world" environment.

I've seen situations when people "on their way out" will actively negotiate their termination package and it ALWAYS includes signing a severance agreement and with a "non-disclosure" clause. So, basically the departing employee gets a lump sum of money and agrees to keep their mouth shut.

So, I don't know how THAT isn't extortion either.

[Xavgrad08]

Some more interesting tidbits. Louisville trustees not happy with Mack. It was a university decision to turn Dino in to the Feds not an athletic department decision. ( I figured this). https://www.wdrb.com/sports/crawford-the-chris-mack-suspension-unpacking-what-happened/article_08d1eed4-0989-11ec-86a9-6f00d5ce6aae.html

[drudy23]

It is weird when you compare this to a normal "business world" environment.

I've seen situations when people "on their way out" will actively negotiate their termination package and it ALWAYS includes signing a severance agreement and with a "non-disclosure" clause. So, basically the departing employee gets a lump sum of money and agrees to keep their mouth shut.

So, I don't know how THAT isn't extortion either.

This is kind of my point when I say it happens all the time. This is a regular, everyday occurrence in corporate america.

What's surprising to me is how immature as a Manager this makes Mack out to be having to record a conversation as well as obviously not being very strong at letting an employee go, all which would seem to be part of the job as the CEO of the basketball program.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Some more interesting tidbits. Louisville trustees not happy with Mack. It was a university decision to turn Dino in to the Feds not an athletic department decision. ( I figured this). https://www.wdrb.com/sports/crawford-the-chris-mack-suspension-unpacking-what-happened/article_08d1eed4-0989-11ec-86a9-6f00d5ce6aae.html

Dang. Not an optimistic outlook on the Chris Mack era.

In three short years Chris has burned the bridges to both his and Christi’s home town.

[muskiefan82]

Dang. Not an optimistic outlook on the Chris Mack era.

In three short years Chris has burned the bridges to both his and Christi’s home town.

Aww....it almost makes me want to shed a.....no it doesn't. LOL

[markchal]

Mack had some great tournament runs for us and won a Big East title. Depending on how this season goes, I'd take him back in a heartbeat.

[Xavier]

Mack had some great tournament runs for us and won a Big East title. Depending on how this season goes, I'd take him back in a heartbeat.

I would too. Most successful coach X has had, probably. (BE Champ/1 seed, 2 seed, elite 8- multiple sweet 16's).

But depending on the season, I'd rather take Miller back and I think that is actually a realistic option (albeit very small). Or better yet- Travis blow it out of the park this season.

[GoMuskies]

Steele as head coach. Mack, Miller and Matta as his assistants. Gillen DOBO

[bleedXblue]

I'm pulling for Steele, but with this roster there is no excuse not to get to the dance this year.

[drudy23]

I'm pulling for Steele, but with this roster there is no excuse not to get to the dance this year.

Make or break year for Trav - even though people will still make excuses for him if we see the same thing.

Anything less than a tournament bid is a final failure in my book.

[xudash]

Make or break year for Trav - even though people will still make excuses for him if we see the same thing.

Anything less than a tournament bid is a final failure in my book.

There is a difference between "making excuses" for him and otherwise pointing out clear facts as to why performance ended up being less than expected. Is the fact that Paul Scruggs went down a couple seasons ago for the last three games an excuse or a fact that led to an already challenged roster not being able to get over the hump that season? I would submit that, had Paul not gotten injured during that key stretch, Xavier would have finished the season better, albeit not as strongly as we're accustomed to having the team finish.

With all that noted, I agree with you about this year, simply because he appears to have built a very strong roster. COVID should not become a legitimate excuse, insofar as every program will have to deal with it, and also because the Xavier program must manage and navigate it effectively on its own (it's not that easy: we could go against a team that manages it poorly, leading to infections on our end resulting from competing against them, but, again, every program is in this boat). Maybe we just need a little good luck to kick in with COVID and with avoiding the injury bug this season.

This is his year to prove himself. The stakes are huge. If he comes through, then we may have our guy for a long, long time. We'll have the continuity that Gonzaga and Villanova have enjoyed - a key program attribute and strength that has allowed those programs to achieve the status they've achieved.

[drudy23]

There is a difference between "making excuses" for him and otherwise pointing out clear facts as to why performance ended up being less than expected. Is the fact that Paul Scruggs went down a couple seasons ago for the last three games an excuse or a fact that led to an already challenged roster not being able to get over the hump that season? I would submit that, had Paul not gotten injured during that key stretch, Xavier would have finished the season better, albeit not as strongly as we're accustomed to having the team finish.

With all that noted, I agree with you about this year, simply because he appears to have built a very strong roster. COVID should not become a legitimate excuse, insofar as every program will have to deal with it, and also because the Xavier program must manage and navigate it effectively on its own (it's not that easy: we could go against a team that manages it poorly, leading to infections on our end resulting from competing against them, but, again, every program is in this boat). Maybe we just need a little good luck to kick in with COVID and with avoiding the injury bug this season.

This is his year to prove himself. The stakes are huge. If he comes through, then we may have our guy for a long, long time. We'll have the continuity that Gonzaga and Villanova have enjoyed - a key program attribute and strength that has allowed those programs to achieve the status they've achieved.

You're really sold on him for the long haul even after just one tournament year? I wouldn't be. Sure, would put me at ease a little bit, but I wouldn't consider it a done deal for the next decade. No way.

OK - call them reasons or excuse - whatever. He's still accountable.

[GoMuskies]

I also don't think we can assume that if Steele suddenly became the hot young coach that he wouldn't look to go elsewhere just because his father in law is a trustee.

[Final4]

I also don't think we can assume that if Steele suddenly became the hot young coach that he wouldn't look to go elsewhere just because his father in law is a trustee.

That will never happen (unless of course he gets divorced).

[bleedXblue]

I think Steele is different. He's seen first hand that leaving for a higher profile job and a few more million doesn't always work out. Sure Mack and Miller are loaded for life, but they are also still both very young and have tarnished their reputations quite a bit (Miller more so than Mack)....Mack is quickly catching up though.....

[xudash]

I also don't think we can assume that if Steele suddenly became the hot young coach that he wouldn't look to go elsewhere just because his father in law is a trustee.

My assumption is based on his wife being tied to Cincinnati. Who knows what will happen. I'm just being hopeful, assuming he demonstrates that he is the horse to ride for a long time.

This one presents a possible grand irony of sorts. Mack, a Xavier grad who married a VD grad from Louisville, leaves Xavier for more money and to get his wife back home. Otherwise, we have a Butler grad who married a Xavier-centric wife who is from and very much tied to Cincinnati. Is that enough to keep Travis on Victory Parkway if he earns the chance to do that? Who knows. But I like our odds if he does prove himself.

Here's a possible way to paint this picture:

1. First and most importantly, Travis turns it around and gets it going, beginning with this season. We can dream, so let's conjure up a scenario where we make it to at least the round of S16 this season. He moves forward from there, strengthening his roster and improving in the BE and the NCAAT to finally nail down the remaining "2%" in the next 3 to 5 years.

2. By then, he will start receiving interest from open jobs at P2/4 schools, but Xavier, already long established in the Big East by then, and with more money pouring in from a revised media agreement, will be in position to throw upwards of $3 million at him and not blink. Cooley already is making over $3 million at Providence, and Jay Wright is one of the highest paid coaches in collegiate basketball, making over $6 million per year.

So, now to the thesis: if you are already making $2.5+ million per year at a well established brand in a major conference that has the facilities and full backing of the school's administration, and if you've proven that the F4 in the NCAAT is doable, and if you understand that the list of schools that are worth leaving Xavier for has shrunk dramatically, and if you recall what happened to your immediate predecessors once they left Xavier for greener pastures, and if you're enjoying life in Hyde Park while being top dog at a basketball school in a great city, maybe, just maybe, it doesn't matter which school comes calling, because not only do you have a great gig and life coaching at Xavier, but you also know that you can "Jay Wright" yourself at Xavier.

There is a healthy amount of skepticism on this board, and rightfully so, about Travis and about where we go from here with him at the helm. But that doesn't mean that he can't turn it around. It doesn't mean that he won't turn it around, now that he has built a roster that can make the season long journey. He actually has to do that, but he's well positioned now to do it, and he has put the program in position to do it. We all understand that he needs to demonstrate some strong coaching chops.

Imagine if he does just that. Then imagine where we might be down the road with him at the helm.

[xukeith]

This is his year to prove himself. The stakes are huge. If he comes through, then we may have our guy for a long, long time. We'll have the continuity that Gonzaga and Villanova have enjoyed - a key program attribute and strength that has allowed those programs to achieve the status they've achieved.

That is one gigantic, monstrous "IF"!

[XUGRAD80]

HTF did a thread about Mack morph into the same old $**t about Steele? Damn off-season lasts forever.

[XUBison]

HTF did a thread about Mack morph into the same old $**t about Steele? Damn off-season lasts forever.

Hey, at least people are talking on here again. I was starting to think I’d missed the memo.

I’ll use your method to help return to topic… Mack is a giant b*tth0le. I would fully support blocking the road to Cintas to prevent him from ever returning, kind of like the city of Norwood used to do when the building first opened.

[IM4X]

I take no great joy in seeing him be suspended. But I also took no great joy in seeing some long term co-workers, who he had often talked about as being friends, be cast away and taking the fall for the programs failures. I don’t see where Dino did much wrong. He basically said that his firing wasn’t justified and if Mack didn’t honor his CONTRACT that he was going to “spill the beans”. It wasn’t like he went to Mack and said either double my salary or I tell all. Mack initiated the whole thing by basically kicking him out the door with nothing. Now it’s Mack that is going to suffer also. As well he should for his failures as an administrator and for not following proper university procedures. He treated Dino like a dirtbag and now he might get the same treatment. That’s Karma. What comes around, goes around. I’d rather that none of this had gone on and that Mack had treated Dino and Murray better, but he didn’t. So now he has to deal with the aftermath of his own actions. I don’t think it’s anything other than ironic. It doesn’t make my happy or sad that Mack is getting suspended. But I can’t help but see the irony in the situation. Not a good look for any of them involved.

Very well said.

There is no question Dino should have handled things differently. It was very dumb what Dino did, but I can’t help think (after listen to the conversation), man, Mack is a piece of work. Recording his friend when he knows he is about to screw him over. You don’t wait until you are secretly taping your buddy to try and act like the good guy.

[JTG]

HTF did a thread about Mack morph into the same old $**t about Steele? Damn off-season lasts forever.

Hey, it's Xavier basketball, and not Covid, Politics, Global Warming, or Golf. So, I for one am all for it. After all the site IS Xavier hoops.

[xu82]

Hey, it's Xavier basketball, and not Covid, Politics, Global Warming, or Golf. So, I for one am all for it. After all the site IS Xavier hoops.

Amen!!!