View Full Version : NIL rights start on Thursday. What past players do you think would've gotten big NIl
Thinking since 2000
Sato
Burrell
Doellman
Redford
Tu
Lyons
Reynolds
Dee
Tyrique
Semaj
Sumner
Scruggs
Stainbrook
Frease
Lavender
Dez
Some of these are questionable but I think most would've had some sponsorships locally. Disagree?
Totally skipped over some Mack guys JP and Trevon
I’d be very curious about the results if it was a poll.
Not just trying to piss you off by adding to the degree of difficulty! :-)
MHettel
06-30-2021, 12:33 AM
So, everyone except David West?
MHettel
06-30-2021, 12:35 AM
Honestly, you left west and Madura off the list.
You should turn in your membership pin
paulxu
06-30-2021, 06:20 AM
Madura?
murray87
06-30-2021, 08:10 AM
Mr. Byron Larkin would have done well.
This list will be lengthy.
Big NIL ? None of them. Pocket change, probably most of them. Sato, Semaj, and Frease probably zip.
Big NIL ? None of them. Pocket change, probably most of them. Sato, Semaj, and Frease probably zip.
I have no idea how the NIL values will end up playing out. But in my mind, all of those players listed had enough cachet to attract some form of sponsorship.
bobbiemcgee
06-30-2021, 11:15 AM
Bob "Bird" Pelkington AVERAGED 21.8 rebounds a game to lead the nation. Steve Thomas put up 50 with NO 3 Pt. line.
Bob "Bird" Pelkington AVERAGED 21.8 rebounds a game to lead the nation. Steve Thomas put up 50 with NO 3 Pt. line.
That rebound stat is amazing, how is this my first time hearing about this?
STL_XUfan
06-30-2021, 11:55 AM
Big NIL ? None of them. Pocket change, probably most of them. Sato, Semaj, and Frease probably zip.
I could see Drew Lavender doing club appearances for a fee.
Seven Eighths
06-30-2021, 12:44 PM
I could see Drew Lavender doing club appearances for a fee.
Hi, I'm Drew Lavender, point guard at Xavier University. Ever feel the dance club is just too white? Well, F this white club and head on over to ........
Hi, I'm Drew Lavender, point guard at Xavier University. Ever feel the dance club is just too white? Well, F this white club and head on over to ........
Oddly enough I think we will see a downturn in some of the juvenile behavior of college athletes. Having money to lose is a strong incentive for good behavior.
MHettel
06-30-2021, 02:32 PM
Oddly enough I think we will see a downturn in some of the juvenile behavior of college athletes. Having money to lose is a strong incentive for good behavior.
Yeah, because those guys in the NBA and NFL are model citizens.
Yeah, because those guys in the NBA and NFL are model citizens.
Aw shucks, I hate when facts get in the way of stereotypes.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/morris-datalab-nfl-vaw-12.png
SC in DC
06-30-2021, 02:53 PM
Drew, Pelk (RIP) was a legend. Big bodied and about 6 ft 8 or so. Could move people out of the way. Had a 3in vertical jump however. There are rumors he was actually seen in class a couple of times.Paul Silas of Creighton had won the title the year before and it was a dog fight all season in 63-64 but Pelk won out. Still leads X in career average, I believe. He was drafted in NBA but not sure he ever played.
MHettel
06-30-2021, 05:36 PM
Aw shucks, I hate when facts get in the way of stereotypes.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/morris-datalab-nfl-vaw-12.png
So nearly 2% of males aged 25-29 get a DUI each year?
So any particular male will be in that demographic for 5 years. Which means there is a 10% chance that any particular male will get a DUI between the ages of 25-29. Yikes
Drew, Pelk (RIP) was a legend. Big bodied and about 6 ft 8 or so. Could move people out of the way. Had a 3in vertical jump however. There are rumors he was actually seen in class a couple of times.Paul Silas of Creighton had won the title the year before and it was a dog fight all season in 63-64 but Pelk won out. Still leads X in career average, I believe. He was drafted in NBA but not sure he ever played.
That's awesome to hear. I am 33 so really I only know late 90s onwards and don't know the old legends.
So nearly 2% of males aged 25-29 get a DUI each year?
So any particular male will be in that demographic for 5 years. Which means there is a 10% chance that any particular male will get a DUI between the ages of 25-29. Yikes
Yea, not where I would want it to be but the point stands. Having money generally encourages responsible behavior imo.
noteggs
07-01-2021, 02:40 PM
Yea, not where I would want it to be but the point stands. Having money generally encourages responsible behavior imo.
Responsible behavior in terms of not getting arrested - perhaps money is a motivator here. Financial responsibility? Not so much…
Shocking how many NBA and NFL athletes go bankrupt after their playing careers.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/14/money-lessons-learned-from-pro-athletes-financial-fouls.html
Responsible behavior in terms of not getting arrested - perhaps money is a motivator here. Financial responsibility? Not so much…
Shocking how many NBA and NFL athletes go bankrupt after their playing careers.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/14/money-lessons-learned-from-pro-athletes-financial-fouls.html
Yea, hopefully the NCAA actually adapts and attempts to teach financial literacy and how to manage money being an athlete. But still, better to have had it and lost it than never had it at all.
whopper
07-01-2021, 03:02 PM
here are the first people to sign a contract. Do you think cable news or stephan a smith may have something to say. you cant make this up
https://thespun.com/mountain-west/fresno-state/cavinder-twins-haley-hanna-fresno-state-basketball-nil-endorsement-boost-mobile-times-square
here are the first people to sign a contract. Do you think cable news or stephan a smith may have something to say. you cant make this up
https://thespun.com/mountain-west/fresno-state/cavinder-twins-haley-hanna-fresno-state-basketball-nil-endorsement-boost-mobile-times-square
And bam, right off the bat one argument is dead. "Only the top football and basketball players will make any money."
whopper
07-01-2021, 05:43 PM
they will make more than the Fresno State president..we have no idea of what the new marketing strategies are
https://www.fresnobee.com/sports/college/mountain-west/fresno-state/article252490978.html
they will make more than the Fresno State president..we have no idea of what the new marketing strategies are
https://www.fresnobee.com/sports/college/mountain-west/fresno-state/article252490978.html
Good for them! I know you are all probably annoyed with my posts but yesterday was pretty much a master class in how the free market works. Within one day we saw activity from business and individuals spring into action without any law or funding required. Let people do what they want with their money, its a good thing.
Xville
07-02-2021, 11:16 AM
And bam, right off the bat one argument is dead. "Only the top football and basketball players will make any money."
Yeah I guess you can add attractive females with a large social media following to that list. Shocking they’d make money.
There is some good that comes of this, an athlete just like a regular student should be able to make money and have a job if they want.
Also, I don’t think this is really going to open up a huge can of worms like some people do. The ones who were already getting paid under the table, will now just be getting paid out in the open in some form or fashion. My real only concern with all of this is if it affects the athletes of non-revenue generating sports.
Wow, hot chick's can make money off their image. Who knew ?
STL_XUfan
07-02-2021, 11:27 AM
Wow, hot chick's can make money off their image. Who knew ?
Before they had to prove it was their hotness and not their position as a college athlete causing them to make money. Now no one has to jump through that hoop. Seems like an overall good result.
MADXSTER
07-02-2021, 11:43 AM
Good for them! I know you are all probably annoyed with my posts but yesterday was pretty much a master class in how the free market works. Within one day we saw activity from business and individuals spring into action without any law or funding required. Let people do what they want with their money, its a good thing.
This is awesome IMO.
MADXSTER
07-02-2021, 11:56 AM
There is some good that comes of this, an athlete just like a regular student should be able to make money and have a job if they want.
My daughter(athlete) had a job at P&G between her freshman and soph year. Also had two internships, one with Honda. Hope she didn't break any rules but too late now.
This is awesome IMO.
Good to see some compatriots Madxster! Its very interesting to go from twitter and see nothing but support for NIL from Xavier fans to jumping here and seeing nothing but people bitching about it.
bobbiemcgee
07-02-2021, 12:06 PM
http://www.footyfair.com/2014/08/the-10-worst-shirt-sponsors-ever.html
don't know if anyone wants to get sponsored by Boner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSR4SzaK_D0
MADXSTER
07-02-2021, 12:13 PM
Good to see some compatriots Madxster! Its very interesting to go from twitter and see nothing but support for NIL from Xavier fans to jumping here and seeing nothing but people bitching about it.
My concerns are two fold, 1) Recruiting and 2) How it ends up effecting non revenue sports in the long run. Concerns, not bitching.
My concerns are two fold, 1) Recruiting and 2) How it ends up effecting non revenue sports in the long run. Concerns, not bitching.
1) Recruiting - Surely the winds will change one way or another, but that is the nature of free markets. Either sign a CBA and profit share like professional leagues or man up and recruit against the big boys. Also, I guess I just won't lose any sleep over it. The immorality of suppressing wages to justify competitive balance isn't worth it to me. Its a game. If X loses a few more games but thousands of people are well compensated its a fair trade off to me.
2) I consider non-revenue sports a bit of a red herring. I understand they share a budget but nobody seems to care when new football stadiums are being built what it will do to the swimming team. Non-revenue sports existed before TV contracts and they should exist after. Cutting them to pay for football is cowardly and depriving players of wages to pay for them is also cowardly. So again, red herring, they are really separate conversations.
MHettel
07-02-2021, 03:12 PM
1) Recruiting - Surely the winds will change one way or another, but that is the nature of free markets. Either sign a CBA and profit share like professional leagues or man up and recruit against the big boys. Also, I guess I just won't lose any sleep over it. The immorality of suppressing wages to justify competitive balance isn't worth it to me. Its a game. If X loses a few more games but thousands of people are well compensated its a fair trade off to me.
2) I consider non-revenue sports a bit of a red herring. I understand they share a budget but nobody seems to care when new football stadiums are being built what it will do to the swimming team. Non-revenue sports existed before TV contracts and they should exist after. Cutting them to pay for football is cowardly and depriving players of wages to pay for them is also cowardly. So again, red herring, they are really separate conversations.
You should get a job at a soup kitchen, Drew. All the "ideals" that rule your thought process with no regard at all for reality.
You want a free market? How about this?
Coach- "Hey, kid do you want a free education in exchange for playing your favorite game on TV?"
Kid- "No"
Coach - "Hey, OTHER Kid, how about you?"
Other Kid- "Yes"
Supply and demand, baby!
Nobody is forcing ANYONE to play college sports. They don't have to enter into the scholarship agreement. They WILLFULLY enter into it, and benefit directly from it in the form of free school.
Not seeing how this is "immoral." You think that's maybe a LITTLE overboard?
Xville
07-02-2021, 04:24 PM
1) Recruiting - Surely the winds will change one way or another, but that is the nature of free markets. Either sign a CBA and profit share like professional leagues or man up and recruit against the big boys. Also, I guess I just won't lose any sleep over it. The immorality of suppressing wages to justify competitive balance isn't worth it to me. Its a game. If X loses a few more games but thousands of people are well compensated its a fair trade off to me.
2) I consider non-revenue sports a bit of a red herring. I understand they share a budget but nobody seems to care when new football stadiums are being built what it will do to the swimming team. Non-revenue sports existed before TV contracts and they should exist after. Cutting them to pay for football is cowardly and depriving players of wages to pay for them is also cowardly. So again, red herring, they are really separate conversations.
2. Considering it is coming out of the same budget, it is laughable you think that’s a red herring. There will be consequences. That’s reality.
xukeith
07-04-2021, 11:27 AM
You should get a job at a soup kitchen, Drew. All the "ideals" that rule your thought process with no regard at all for reality.
You want a free market? How about this?
Coach- "Hey, kid do you want a free education in exchange for playing your favorite game on TV?"
Kid- "No"
Coach - "Hey, OTHER Kid, how about you?"
Other Kid- "Yes"
Supply and demand, baby!
Nobody is forcing ANYONE to play college sports. They don't have to enter into the scholarship agreement. They WILLFULLY enter into it, and benefit directly from it in the form of free school.
Not seeing how this is "immoral." You think that's maybe a LITTLE overboard?
100% agree
It's quite possible someone on this thread has taken an off the wall position, and just likes to argue. Otherwise someone wasted money on tuition.
XU '11
07-05-2021, 12:57 AM
2. Considering it is coming out of the same budget, it is laughable you think that’s a red herring. There will be consequences. That’s reality.
Nothing from this most recent rule change will affect the athletic department's budget. Schools still cannot 'hire' athletes. Just outside entities. Or are you concerned about future rule changes that WOULD allow schools to directly pay players?
Xville
07-05-2021, 07:54 AM
Nothing from this most recent rule change will affect the athletic department's budget. Schools still cannot 'hire' athletes. Just outside entities. Or are you concerned about future rule changes that WOULD allow schools to directly pay players?
It was discussed as a more in the long run scenario. This particular change I really don’t have an issue with. I think hot college girls are going to benefit the most from this rule change though which was probably not anyone’s intention in passing this, which is kind of funny.
whopper
07-05-2021, 10:33 AM
I felt the same thing...as a kind of retiree I watch business news most of day while reading/exercising at at 10A Boost Mobile introduced the Cavender twins of Fresno State who are actually pretty good(most about 13-17 mpg) but have 3 mill Tik Tok followers. I am sure it is not anyone's intent but so many trick shot artists on youtube (good players in hoop, soccer, football) that they may be the best bank for buck instead of (say) Paul Scruggs or Nate Watson or some 300lb offensive lineman.
Y'all keep defending the rich oligarchs who will raise your ticket prices and tv fees every year. What people don't realize in this country is that eventually the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer will collapse. There is a way to prevent this, actual free markets. But that would require the rich actually competing for business. I am looking at you: education, healthcare and more. The NCAA is a small organization all things compared in this country but its pretty representative of what's wrong in this country. Money flows up, hypocritical politicians shit on the common man. I make 6 figures as a software developer. I have nothing to gain from the system being changed. But most of you live in a bubble if you don't see what is wrong with this country and how the NCAA is a hilariously clean example of it. Few at the top getting paid millions, lets shame those on the bottom barely getting anything.
XU '11
07-06-2021, 02:14 AM
Y'all keep defending the rich oligarchs who will raise your ticket prices and tv fees every year. What people don't realize in this country is that eventually the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer will collapse. There is a way to prevent this, actual free markets. But that would require the rich actually competing for business. I am looking at you: education, healthcare and more. The NCAA is a small organization all things compared in this country but its pretty representative of what's wrong in this country. Money flows up, hypocritical politicians shit on the common man. I make 6 figures as a software developer. I have nothing to gain from the system being changed. But most of you live in a bubble if you don't see what is wrong with this country and how the NCAA is a hilariously clean example of it. Few at the top getting paid millions, lets shame those on the bottom barely getting anything.
I fully disagree with this sentiment. Until some COVID cuts, I bet the number of athletes on scholarship, the number of athletes given the opportunity to play sports in college, and the quality of those athletes' experiences was at an all time high. And I'm talking about the experience of Olympic sport athletes at low majors. The rich have been getting richer, the gap was probably widening, but poor athletic departments are/were not getting poorer - they were also providing better experiences.
Final4
07-06-2021, 10:42 AM
Can anyone (Drew?) explain to me how Hercy Miller's deal is good for college basketball?
whopper
07-07-2021, 07:21 AM
now another one (Barstool). https://www.awesemo.com/sideaction/adelaide-halverson-becomes-first-ever-barstool-sports-athlete/
I notice Connor Gillespie signed with barstool yesterday
X Factor
07-07-2021, 09:08 AM
Can anyone (Drew?) explain to me how Hercy Miller's deal is good for college basketball?
So Master P's son signed a $2 mil deal? He was born into wealth, if his Dad didn't blow all of his money.
Looks like ever Miami U football player on scholarship will get $500 a month...poor walk-ons will still be broke asf.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31771563/dan-lambert-plans-500-month-endorsement-deal-every-miami-hurricanes-football-player-scholarship
STL_XUfan
07-07-2021, 10:18 AM
poor walk-ons will still be broke asf.
My opinion on this is colored a lot by Mark Titus, the former Ohio State walk on. When he was on the team he had an incredibly popular blog that got a fair amount of attention. Under current NIL he would have been allowed to profit off of that blog through advertisers and the merch he was selling. But the rules at the time did not permit this, so instead he was getting $0 in scholarship and $0 from his side hustle that would have been profitable.
I think this is even more true now with a lot of lesser known athletes being influencers on social media. For many it really doesn't have anything to do with their sport, but instead their own creative talents. I am not sure why the scholarship athlete on the swimming team should be treated any differently in his/her ability to profit off of social media than scholarship band member.
Final4
07-08-2021, 10:11 AM
How soon before we see all these woke individuals/organizations who have been arguing to pay players begin backpedaling, in comedic fashion, stating that they didn’t fully understand all the consequences.
MHettel
07-08-2021, 11:52 AM
How soon before we see all these woke individuals/organizations who have been arguing to pay players begin backpedaling, in comedic fashion, stating that they didn’t fully understand all the consequences.
man, they will never see it! They dont want to see it. The want to point out all the "problems" and never offer a workable solution. And then, look the other way when it spirals out of control.
muskiefan82
07-08-2021, 12:27 PM
What happens if a player enters into an external agreement to be compensated based on their NIL and they then do something that reflects poorly on the university? Can the University sue the player for painting them in a negative light by their actions since the player is using their affiliation with the school to be compensated? If the player wears any of the trademarked or copyrighted materiel from the university in anything they do externally, is the university to receive compensation from the player for the use of THEIR NIL? Just random thoughts I was having...
STL_XUfan
07-08-2021, 12:52 PM
What happens if a player enters into an external agreement to be compensated based on their NIL and they then do something that reflects poorly on the university? Can the University sue the player for painting them in a negative light
They certainly could refuse to renew their scholarship. Scholarships before and after NIL are not 4 year guarantees.
the player is using their affiliation with the school to be compensated?
Much like professional athletes in commercials, they will not be permitted to use their affiliation without the school's permission. It will be on the consumer to make that connection on their own.
If the player wears any of the trademarked or copyrighted materiel from the university in anything they do externally, is the university to receive compensation from the player for the use of THEIR NIL?
Yes, or there likely will be a trademark issue with the entity paying the player.
muskiefan82
07-08-2021, 01:07 PM
Thank you for those answers! Another one. Since a player can now use their NIL for compensation, can the university use that same player to advertise for the university and/or team and then compensate that same person for being in the ad? That might be problematic......
paulxu
07-08-2021, 01:39 PM
Thank you for those answers! Another one. Since a player can now use their NIL for compensation, can the university use that same player to advertise for the university and/or team and then compensate that same person for being in the ad? That might be problematic......
Doesn't the university already do that (use the players for advertising the university brand) and reimburse the player with a scholarship?
muskiefan82
07-08-2021, 01:41 PM
Doesn't the university already do that (use the players for advertising the university brand) and reimburse the player with a scholarship?
That clearly is not enough.....LOL
STL_XUfan
07-08-2021, 03:12 PM
Thank you for those answers! Another one. Since a player can now use their NIL for compensation, can the university use that same player to advertise for the university and/or team and then compensate that same person for being in the ad? That might be problematic......
I am not quite sure of these restrictions, but there is some waiver in licensing of their NIL that the university has as we frequently see players on billboards and promo material for the school and athletics. However, and please someone give me an example if you can think of one, I do not know if I have ever seen a player appear in a 3rd party ad on behalf of the school.
In this new wild west, I am curious if it could be arranged with a joint licensure for the University trademark and for the player's likeness. I have to think yes as the Coaches do that now (and I bet the coaches are being compensated for appearing in the ad).
Selfishly, I am hoping a deal can be worked out to bring back the NCAA video games for football and basketball. However, without some sort of player's association I am not sure how EA can get that done except reaching deals with every individual player.
muskiefan82
07-08-2021, 03:30 PM
Selfishly, I am hoping a deal can be worked out to bring back the NCAA video games for football and basketball. However, without some sort of player's association I am not sure how EA can get that done except reaching deals with every individual player.
This is coming next and soon I imagine.
MADXSTER
07-08-2021, 04:08 PM
Would think Skyline has to be coming up with something for both Xavier and UC players for the shootout. If not they are missing the boat.
XU '11
07-09-2021, 01:06 AM
Thank you for those answers! Another one. Since a player can now use their NIL for compensation, can the university use that same player to advertise for the university and/or team and then compensate that same person for being in the ad? That might be problematic......
No, schools cannot "hire" their athletes and pay them.
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