Xavier Basketball 2021-22

[paulxu]

Way too early to start this...but why not.
Maybe, just maybe, we'll have a regular and good year for basketball.

Tentative schedule:

20 BE games H/H
Big Twelve Challenge (Okla St) A
Gavitt Games H (?)
UC H
Wake Forest A (?)
2 NIT Season Tip-Off games H
2 NIT Season Tip-Off games N
Norfolk State H
Morehead St H (?)
Marshall H (?)


Please fill in/correct where necessary.

[hoopster68]

Anybody know who the 3 OOC opponents are?

[bobbiemcgee]

@JonRothstein
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Jun 3
Source: Xavier will host Norfolk State as part of its 21-22 non-conference schedule.

[xukeith]

@JonRothstein
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Jun 3
Source: Xavier will host Norfolk State as part of its 21-22 non-conference schedule.

FWIW BE schedules and Gavitt history(team records)
https://whiteandbluereview.com/future-big-east-basketball-schedules/

[paulxu]

Tried to fill in with some info you guys provided.

Watch us get Wisky at home.

[bobbiemcgee]

FWIW BE schedules and Gavitt history(team records)
https://whiteandbluereview.com/future-big-east-basketball-schedules/

Nova with Tennessee
North Carolina or Purdue
Syracuse
Probably Michigan State
Gavitt Game
Baylor
Big 5 games..
WOW

[paulxu]

This list shows 14 scholarship players expected to be on the roster.

Is that correct?

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31357458/ncaa-division-men-college-basketball-rosters-departures-newcomers-2021-22#BigEast

[Xville]

This list shows 14 scholarship players expected to be on the roster.

Is that correct?

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31357458/ncaa-division-men-college-basketball-rosters-departures-newcomers-2021-22#BigEast

They have griffin wrong so there is 13, which is far too many in my opinion but whatever, it’s a weird year.

[paulxu]

Thanks!

[GIMMFD]

Ooh, I'd love to make it back to Cintas for the Xavier/Marshall game, have a few friends from Marshall that are in Cincinnati right now and would be a great weekend.

[surfxu]

According to MOR... you can add Niagara to that list of games figured out so far. Appears the Purple Eagles will be the guests for the opening tilt. While their leading scorer from last year has moved on, Niagara returns 4 other super seniors and added a grad transfer, so there is a lot of returning experience. They were 9-11 last year with a pretty weak schedule, so I wouldn't expect too much drama with this one, but it should get everyone some minutes.

[paulxu]

I can't figure out who to drop. Maybe Niagara is one of the Tip Off home games, but probably not since it is so early on the schedule.

[GoMuskies]

Way too early Big East Power Rankings: Muskies #2

https://bustingbrackets.com/2021/06/14/big-east-basketball-way-early-power-rankings-2021-22-season/11/

There’s no excuse for Xavier not to be in the top-3 of the Big East next season with how much talent they have on the roster. They just now have to get it all clicking at once and consistently throughout the season.

[JTG]

Shouldn't that heat up Steele's seat ?

[bobbiemcgee]

Way too early Big East Power Rankings: Muskies #2

https://bustingbrackets.com/2021/06/14/big-east-basketball-way-early-power-rankings-2021-22-season/11/

There’s no excuse for Xavier not to be in the top-3 of the Big East next season with how much talent they have on the roster. They just now have to get it all clicking at once and consistently throughout the season.

Finally, XHoops board can agree 100% on something.

[surfxu]

Butler returning the most production from last year and sitting at 5 is the biggest surprise on that prediction list... Not necessarily that they are sitting at 5 when you consider there are so many Big East teams that will be taking a step back (looking at you Creighton, Providence... and to a lesser degree, UConn and Marquette). But what I guess surprised me more is that they have the most returning production out of all the teams in the Big East. I would have thought that X is returning the highest percentage of production... but I guess Butler didn't loose anyone that saw more than 5 minutes of court time per game. Thought it was a big jump to see them at 5 as compared to where they've been the past few years in the standings, but I guess it makes sense.
Fully agree with X at #2. The talent is there. This should be a fun year.

[bobbiemcgee]

Creighton reloaded with the BE top recruiting class (5th nationally) + transfers.

[GIMMFD]

Creighton reloaded with the BE top recruiting class (5th nationally) + transfers.

Yeah wow, 46th overall, 66th overall, 71st overall, 73rd overall, and 147th overall for their recruiting class, really good class. Obviously we have them on experience but they should be very talented.

[JTG]

According to Indy media Butler coach is on the hot seat.

[xukeith]

That author put a lot of weight behind a returning Stanley. I seriously don't think he will be ready until January. Same hype with Kunkel and Tandy. I don't see KyKy or Adam gaining many minutes at all with Scruggs, Johnson, Odom and Jones gobbling up minutes with SF IU transfer added too.

[MHettel]

That author put a lot of weight behind a returning Stanley. I seriously don't think he will be ready until January. Same hype with Kunkel and Tandy. I don't see KyKy or Adam gaining many minutes at all with Scruggs, Johnson, Odom and Jones gobbling up minutes with SF IU transfer added too.

wow. It's occuring to me that the depth on this roster is AGAIN perfectly suited for a super high tempo pressing style that will just wear down teams and caause fatigue turnovers and easy transition buckets.

Scruggs, Odom, Johnson, Free and Nudge.

Jones, Tandy, Kunkle, Stanley, Miles, IU Transfer, and 2 freshmen.

We already know that 10 of those guys can play at this level. And then Miles and the 2 freshmen could be ready as well.

RUN and GUN! If Steele F's this up......

[JTG]

wow. It's occuring to me that the depth on this roster is AGAIN perfectly suited for a super high tempo pressing style that will just wear down teams and caause fatigue turnovers and easy transition buckets.

Scruggs, Odom, Johnson, Free and Nudge.

Jones, Tandy, Kunkle, Stanley, Miles, IU Transfer, and 2 freshmen.

We already know that 10 of those guys can play at this level. And then Miles and the 2 freshmen could be ready as well.

RUN and GUN! If Steele F's this up......

The style you're talking about, if properly implemented will cause games to be over 10 minutes into the second half. Teams won't even want to bring the ball up the floor. It also leads to a lot of easy offense off the defense. Let's just hope Steele realizes the opportunity he has.

[IM4X]

Got to earn it in the end. I hope this team leadership understands that and will have their team so prepared and and anal about perfecting the details before the season so they can play hard and smart for 40 full minutes.

Gonna have some very capable 3 point shooters returning, but please Travis, don’t let this turn into another season of “Let’s see how many quick threes we can launch in a game.” Let’s hope he can finally toughen up our bigs inside. Being soft in the paint has been a serious Achilles heel for the team.

Gotta see more guard penetration too. Aside from Odom late in the season, our guards too often just took low percentage jumpers when they could have just as easily dribbled in the paint, made contact and gotten to the line. We need to be that type of X team again that is known for making it to the free throw line so frequently that we make more buckets there than the opponent is even attempting.

Do these things well, stay injury free and win the battle of the boards and everything else should fall into place.

[xukeith]

Got to earn it in the end. I hope this team leadership understands that and will have their team so prepared and and anal about perfecting the details before the season so they can play hard and smart for 40 full minutes.

Gonna have some very capable 3 point shooters returning, but please Travis, don’t let this turn into another season of “Let’s see how many quick threes we can launch in a game.” Let’s hope he can finally toughen up our bigs inside. Being soft in the paint has been a serious Achilles heel for the team.

Gotta see more guard penetration too. Aside from Odom late in the season, our guards too often just took low percentage jumpers when they could have just as easily dribbled in the paint, made contact and gotten to the line. We need to be that type of X team again that is known for making it to the free throw line so frequently that we make more buckets there than the opponent is even attempting.

Do these things well, stay injury free and win the battle of the boards and everything else should fall into place.

I don’t trust Kunkel or Tandy making sound basketball decisions. I don’t think running and pressing is this team’s strength. It’s my small 2 cents

[drudy23]

Got to earn it in the end. I hope this team leadership understands that and will have their team so prepared and and anal about perfecting the details before the season so they can play hard and smart for 40 full minutes.

Gonna have some very capable 3 point shooters returning, but please Travis, don’t let this turn into another season of “Let’s see how many quick threes we can launch in a game.” Let’s hope he can finally toughen up our bigs inside. Being soft in the paint has been a serious Achilles heel for the team.

Gotta see more guard penetration too. Aside from Odom late in the season, our guards too often just took low percentage jumpers when they could have just as easily dribbled in the paint, made contact and gotten to the line. We need to be that type of X team again that is known for making it to the free throw line so frequently that we make more buckets there than the opponent is even attempting.

Do these things well, stay injury free and win the battle of the boards and everything else should fall into place.

I agree, but that's simply not how Steele is engineering his teams on the offensive end.

I would love to see an up-tempo pressing style at times, but I won't hold my breath. He loves the Villanova style too much. He's gone all-in on it and continues to recruit for it.

[noteggs]

I think Kunkel will show improvements this year. He’s got a year to be with the program and get stronger. As for Kyky, that’s going to be a mystery. Think he learned some things about himself in the portal and takes the next step like we thought he would last year.

[SC in DC]

Kunkel not making sound decisions?? Other then shot selection at times, I don't think we were watching the same player Keith.

[bobbiemcgee]

I see his role as a "quick hitter" off the bench. Set him up for some good looks. Kunk is obviously a liability on the defensive end. Come in and hit 36-40% from 3. Pull quickly when he's cold. Call a timeout and re-group, unlike the BU fiasco.

[hoopster68]

Some of my best memories of XU b-ball come from the years when the team had one or two players that lead and laid it all out on the court. Names like Thomas, Larkin, West, Posey and Bluiett come to mind; others can add their own. Typically, but not always, these players had physical and mental toughness, a bit of swagger, and they were coachable. Does this year's team have such a leader(s)? Do teams still need these types of players? Does X recruit this type of talent?

[Xavier]

How many DI teams still run a full press all game? I honestly don't follow too much outside of Xavier, a few major games, and the tournament. I don't recall recent success of a full press team in the tournament.

[xukeith]

Kunkel not making sound decisions?? Other then shot selection at times, I don't think we were watching the same player Keith.

He chose to shoot a lot of low % shots. He hustled but I do not see him carrying the team. He is weak and I hope he got a lot stronger.

[IM4X]

I don’t trust Kunkel or Tandy making sound basketball decisions. I don’t think running and pressing is this team’s strength. It’s my small 2 cents

I can see both of those players becoming bigger contributors this coming season, but they’ll need to prove they can be scrappy on defense and that they can drive and finish more in the paint on offense.

I would also love to see JP and Tre being invited back for a special clinic teaching the X players on the current roster “The art of drawing a foul in any situation.” Maybe even have Tyrique come back for a rebounding clinic. Every little bit of advantage helps.

[MHettel]

I don’t trust Kunkel or Tandy making sound basketball decisions. I don’t think running and pressing is this team’s strength. It’s my small 2 cents

Well, do you think the depth is a strength? If so, how would you plan to utilize it? Running and pressing is not the strength. Its a way to exploit the strength

[MHettel]

How many DI teams still run a full press all game? I honestly don't follow too much outside of Xavier, a few major games, and the tournament. I don't recall recent success of a full press team in the tournament.

Look up "Anderson, Mike"

dude he turned around a lousy St. Johns team immediately using the press. And they were mediocre talented. Imagine how that press works with talented depth

[JEHARDI]

Look up "Anderson, Mike"

dude he turned around a lousy St. Johns team immediately using the press. And they were mediocre talented. Imagine how that press works with talented depth
They had talent, just a lousy coach in Mullen. Had the leagues most improved player and the freshman of the year last year.

[Lloyd Braun]

The reason teams don’t spend a lot of time pressing has less to do with depth/energy and more to do with the fact that it is generally ineffective and likely detrimental against good teams. Sure it will lead to occasional turnovers and rattle the other team for a short period of time but good teams break presses and turn them into easy buckets. It’s much more difficult to consistently score in the half court, and that is what good teams do. Not press. Fine to sprinkle in but to make it a main focus is not a winning recipe traditionally.

[XUGRAD80]

The reason teams don’t spend a lot of time pressing has less to do with depth/energy and more to do with the fact that it is generally ineffective and likely detrimental against good teams. Sure it will lead to occasional turnovers and rattle the other team for a short period of time but good teams break presses and turn them into easy buckets. It’s much more difficult to consistently score in the half court, and that is what good teams do. Not press. Fine to sprinkle in but to make it a main focus is not a winning recipe traditionally.

This^

You can press a bad team and be successful, but a good team will make you pay.

But there are other ways to use your depth to wear teams down. You can pressure the other team into mistakes by just shear hustle and intensity on defense, as long as you have good one on one defenders along with a good team defensive scheme. Depth give the players the knowledge that if they can just play all out in short bursts, the team will not suffer greatly when they take a blow and get a quick rest. If you do that long enough you can not only defeat them physically, you defeat them mentally, which is even better.

[MHettel]

This^

You can press a bad team and be successful, but a good team will make you pay.

But there are other ways to use your depth to wear teams down. You can pressure the other team into mistakes by just shear hustle and intensity on defense, as long as you have good one on one defenders along with a good team defensive scheme. Depth give the players the knowledge that if they can just play all out in short bursts, the team will not suffer greatly when they take a blow and get a quick rest. If you do that long enough you can not only defeat them physically, you defeat them mentally, which is even better.

Really not seeing a distinction between what you said and what I said. Pressure the opponent relentlessly and then swap everyone out every couple minutes. Practice that way too, so conditioning is top notch. It doesn’t work to just pressure at 90 feet and then just sit down in a half court defense when the press is broken. It’s about swarming the ball. And on offense you run, even off of made buckets. You WILL give up some easy buckets when the pressure is beaten....at first. But later, the fatigue sets in for the opponent that has played an intense 30 minutes against your fresh 10 guys And then the opponent goes to their bench and a bunch of guys that rarely play have to deal with the press. It’s at THiS moment when the game is won.

And man, you will have 10 really engaged guys that are happy with 20 minutes and a lot of wins.
You don’t win with the press in the first 10 minutes. You win it in the last 10. You can’t just be partially committed to this tempo. It’s relentless.

[XUGRAD80]

You can’t just be partially committed to this tempo. It’s relentless.

And it doesn’t win championships. 40 minutes of Hell won a lot of games against weaker opponents, but never won championships consistently. Not on the high major level. The difference between what your saying and what I’m saying is that I’m saying don’t press all over the floor, but in the half court make it dang tough for the opponent to even get a shot off. Don’t rely on defense to create offense with turnovers. The most beautiful thing is to see a shot clock violation. When that happens consistently it will take the heart out of the other team. We are NEVER going to see a Steele coach team rely on full court defense…NEVER. So you might as well just realize that now. He doesn’t believe in it and doesn’t teach it. No sense in calling for something that’s not going to happen, and then criticizing when it doesn’t. You might as well be calling for your favorite college football team to run the single wing offense. Not going to happen.

[Xville]

For intense Ball pressure without a full court press the whole game… although the guy is a scum bag, he’s a helluva basketball coach look at Rick pitino teams. His biggest defensive stat besides the regulars are deflections, and they add up. You look at the 2013 championship team (yeah I know), teams eventually were scared shitless to bring the ball up the court near the end of games because mentally they were so freaking exhausted.

[drudy23]

To be honest, I frankly don't care as long as it gets the job done - meaning, back to the NCAA tournament.

Still think the best route is a balanced attack where you're hard to guard both in the paint and on the perimeter, and everyone on the floor is an offensive threat. We have the roster for that - Steele has to figure it out.

[IM4X]

I agree, but that's simply not how Steele is engineering his teams on the offensive end.

I would love to see an up-tempo pressing style, but I won't hold my breath. He loves the Villanova style too much. He's gone all-in on it and continues to recruit for it.

It seems by getting Nunge, he at least recognizes the need for more help on the boards. Hopefully Travis takes advantage of the strengths of each player on the roster. Chemistry should be even better this season, but putting individual players in a position to do what they do best is key too.

[Xville]

There seems to be quite a bit of faith in our frontcourt based on a guy that has averaged about 15 minutes a game in his career with a 7 and 5 stat line and has been injured quite a bit. Still very thin on the front line in my opinion. Hunter is more of a 3 than a 4, Stanley may be ready by January.

Hopefully miles is going to make a big jump and realize some of that potential

[MHettel]

And it doesn’t win championships. 40 minutes of Hell won a lot of games against weaker opponents, but never won championships consistently. Not on the high major level. The difference between what your saying and what I’m saying is that I’m saying don’t press all over the floor, but in the half court make it dang tough for the opponent to even get a shot off. Don’t rely on defense to create offense with turnovers. The most beautiful thing is to see a shot clock violation. When that happens consistently it will take the heart out of the other team. We are NEVER going to see a Steele coach team rely on full court defense…NEVER. So you might as well just realize that now. He doesn’t believe in it and doesn’t teach it. No sense in calling for something that’s not going to happen, and then criticizing when it doesn’t. You might as well be calling for your favorite college football team to run the single wing offense. Not going to happen.

Maybe what I'm saying is that this is what I WOULD DO. This roster is perfect suited for the style I describe. And you are probably right, that Steele WONT do it. He's also been generally unsuccessful thus far as a head coach, so there's that.

What's the point of having 12 or 13 able players when the style you play really only requires 7 or maybe 8 guys. Nothing like disgruntled dudes on the bench.

Also, what style actually does "consistently win championships"? The style where you just have a bunch of 5 star recruits year after year? I dont see us playing that style anytime soon.

[Xavier]

What's the point of having 12 or 13 able players when the style you play really only requires 7 or maybe 8 guys. Nothing like disgruntled dudes on the bench.

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Meh, I prefer to have more talent on the team. If nothing else, practicing against better talent should make the guys that do play even better. And last year we had some injury trouble.

[JTG]

We have the depth to play a smothering defense like Baylor. What we lack is Baylors talent. But I would give it a try. It's not a full court press, it's a smothering relentless defense in waves. Otherwise you probably gonna have 4 pissed off guys that transfer.

[GIMMFD]

We have the depth to play a smothering defense like Baylor. What we lack is Baylors talent. But I would give it a try. It's not a full court press, it's a smothering relentless defense in waves. Otherwise you probably gonna have 4 pissed off guys that transfer.

Baylor's defense was so damn good, guys like Teague, Mitchell, Butler, and Vital were studs that also bought into playing defense and being shut down. It's not just having the talent and athleticism, it's also having the guys buy into what you're preaching and just having that certain mentality. I think we have the depth too, maybe even enough talent to get by with attempting it, it's the mentality I'm more so curious about, and if the team would buy in completely.

[nuts4xu]

https://twitter.com/SSN_Musketeers/status/1405220532916719616?s=20

[noteggs]

Man looks like Colby and Kunk put on some muscle. Zach…well looks Frosty. Where’s Kyky?

[Lloyd Braun]

Man looks like Colby and Kunk put on some muscle. Zach…well looks Frosty. Where’s Kyky?

Lol! Oh no, please don’t poke the “Kyky is unhappy” campers!

[noteggs]

Lol! Oh no, please don’t poke the “Kyky is unhappy” campers!

Probably should edit my post lol.

Kyky was busy running extra suicides on the hills.

Curious, can we still call those awful sprints as suicides? However, they were completely brutal in HS.

[Lloyd Braun]

My kids’ school calls them “yo-yo’s” and I’ve heard “gassers” and “ladders” as well. I kind of like “yo-yo’s” as it’s grown on me. Fun to yell “YO-YO’s! Baseline!”

[IM4X]

Don’t think Edwards or Miles is in the photo either, Right?

[IM4X]

Nothing says “We’re watching out for your kids” like having them all line up and pose for a photo out in the middle of the road with their backs to potential oncoming vehicles.

[94GRAD]

Nothing says “We’re watching out for your kids” like having them all line up and pose for a photo out in the middle of the road with their backs to potential oncoming vehicles.

That is the road behind the Cintas Center that leads up to Cohen. They put cones up to close it when athletic teams use it for work.

[Smails]

Nothing says “We’re watching out for your kids” like having them all line up and pose for a photo out in the middle of the road with their backs to potential oncoming vehicles.

I'm sure that's exactly how it went down..

[paulxu]

I assumed it was Travis' driveway.

[IM4X]

That is the road behind the Cintas Center that leads up to Cohen. They put cones up to close it when athletic teams use it for work.

Good to know. Just that the photo looks like a truck could be barreling around the corner behind them at any moment. Would make for one interesting agility drill.

[whopper]

I recognize Odom, Jones, Nunge, Freemantle, Kunkel. I must be rusty but is Stanley the taller guy on right? No Miles? I don't see Scruggs or Nate Johnson but assume they are there. I think there is recruit Tucker, I don't know what the Indiana transfer looks like but assume he is there. No Kyky but no conclusions drawn

[xavierj]

I recognize Odom, Jones, Nunge, Freemantle, Kunkel. I must be rusty but is Stanley the taller guy on right? No Miles? I don't see Scruggs or Nate Johnson but assume they are there. I think there is recruit Tucker, I don't know what the Indiana transfer looks like but assume he is there. No Kyky but no conclusions drawn

Paul is on the far right. I don’t think Edwards, Miles, KYky or Tucker are in the picture unless Tucker is on the far left and a little shorter and a bigger frame than he had before. He looked pretty skinny before so guessing he was not in the picture either, but could be wrong.

[SC in DC]

I count 11, do we have walk-ons? If not only 2 missing?

[xavierj]

I count 11, do we have walk-ons? If not only 2 missing?

Yes I think at least two walkon’s are in the picture

[Strange Brew]

Paul is on the far right. I don’t think Edwards, Miles, KYky or Tucker are in the picture unless Tucker is on the far left and a little shorter and a bigger frame than he had before. He looked pretty skinny before so guessing he was not in the picture either, but could be wrong.

I thought the unit next Scruggs was Miles? Who was that if not him?

[xavierj]

I thought the unit next Scruggs was Miles? Who was that if not him?

Stanley is next to Scruggs

[Strange Brew]

Stanley is next to Scruggs

Thanks. Didn’t see a lot of them on the floor last year.

[Xuperman]

100%...that is Tucker on the far left.

Is that the IU transfer next to him? I believe that is Johnson over Kunkle's left shoulder?

[bobbiemcgee]

https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/1405666201251028994/photo/1

[xukeith]

https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/1405666201251028994/photo/1

Thanks for the paintball pic.
I count 11 scholarship players. Didn't see Tandy.

Maybe KyKy is the new X photographer.

[bobbiemcgee]

Sez on twitter "fresh start" - changing from 24 to 15.

[IM4X]

https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/1405666201251028994/photo/1


Yes. Looks like 11 scholarship players in this second photo. No Kyky (mentioned by XUKEITH) and it looks like no Nate this time- he was behind Kunkel in the other photo. Looks like Edwards, Tucker and Hunter are all in this photo. Tucker and Edwards look to be as tall (or close to as tall) as we’ve read. Edward’s looks taller than Freemantle (at least in the picture). Excited about the extra height. Hope they are bringing some extra toughness too.

Let’s hope Kyky is sticking around and just had some place to be at the time of the photos.

[Strange Brew]

Big question for season ‘21-‘22…

Will Free smile by conference play?

[xukeith]

Yes. Looks like 11 scholarship players in this second photo. No Kyky (mentioned by XUKEITH) and it looks like no Nate this time- he was behind Kunkel in the other photo. Looks like Edwards, Tucker and Hunter are all in this photo. Tucker and Edwards look to be as tall (or close to as tall) as we’ve read. Edward’s looks taller than Freemantle (at least in the picture). Excited about the extra height. Hope they are bringing some extra toughness too.

Let’s hope Kyky is sticking around and just had some place to be at the time of the photos.

Is Edwards the tall guy behind shadowing his eyes to look at the camera?

[IM4X]

Is Edwards the tall guy behind shadowing his eyes to look at the camera?

Yep. That’s him.

[xavierj]

Okay that will work....

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1408090607529123841

[Chermy23]

Cant wait.

[GoMuskies]

Okay that will work....

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1408090607529123841

Yeah, I've been waiting a LONG time for that Rutgers/DePaul matchup!

[bobbiemcgee]

https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/rothstein-45-early-edition-for-21-22/

[IM4X]

https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/rothstein-45-early-edition-for-21-22/

Well that’s a bit of a disappointment.

Not that X had earned a top 25 spot, but you would think they’d be a little higher ranked with mostly everyone coming back who scored points plus several solid new recruits and transfers.

Still, I hope we don’t start hearing players or coaches talking about being “disrespected.” That crap is just a distraction that ends up getting in the way and makes everyone sound like a bunch of whiners. If I were Steele, I would just be like, “I spoke with the team and we are all on the same page that we haven’t earned a thing yet to feel disrespected about. I mean we have some really nice pieces coming back this year as well as some much needed additions to the team but the truth is we still need to prove ourselves every day and just stay focused on being as prepared and together as a team as possible and keep the pedal on the metal for 40 minutes and then everything else should work itself out.”

[xudash]

Well that’s a bit of a disappointment.

Not that X had earned a top 25 spot, but you would think they’d be a little higher ranked with mostly everyone coming back who scored points plus several solid new recruits and transfers.

Still, I hope we don’t start hearing players or coaches talking about being “disrespected.” That crap is just a distraction that ends up getting in the way and makes everyone sound like a bunch of whiners. If I were Steele, I would just be like, “I spoke with the team and we are all on the same page that we haven’t earned a thing yet to feel disrespected about. I mean we have some really nice pieces coming back this year as well as some much needed additions to the team but the truth is we still need to prove ourselves every day and just stay focused on being as prepared and together as a team as possible and keep the pedal on the metal for 40 minutes and then everything else should work itself out.”

I accuse you of coach speak (sarcasm font is on).

[XUGRAD80]

Well that’s a bit of a disappointment.

Not that X had earned a top 25 spot, but you would think they’d be a little higher ranked with mostly everyone coming back who scored points plus several solid new recruits and transfers.

Still, I hope we don’t start hearing players or coaches talking about being “disrespected.” That crap is just a distraction that ends up getting in the way and makes everyone sound like a bunch of whiners. If I were Steele, I would just be like, “I spoke with the team and we are all on the same page that we haven’t earned a thing yet to feel disrespected about. I mean we have some really nice pieces coming back this year as well as some much needed additions to the team but the truth is we still need to prove ourselves every day and just stay focused on being as prepared and together as a team as possible and keep the pedal on the metal for 40 minutes and then everything else should work itself out.”

So you think they should be higher ranked….but you also admit that they haven’t earned a thing yet?

To me, the fact that they were basically a .500 team last year and the year before, says that even though they have a lot coming back, so what? They have a lot coming back, but it’s basically just a group that is mediocre based on past performances. Based on that, I can’t see how in the world they are ranked as high as they are. I’m happy that they are, but it means nothing yet. It’s all based on potential, not production. They still have to prove that they deserve that ranking. I think they can. I hope they do.

[bjf123]

So you think they should be higher ranked….but you also admit that they haven’t earned a thing yet?

To me, the fact that they were basically a .500 team last year and the year before, says that even though they have a lot coming back, so what? They have a lot coming back, but it’s basically just a group that is mediocre based on past performances. Based on that, I can’t see how in the world they are ranked as high as they are. I’m happy that they are, but it means nothing yet. It’s all based on potential, not production. They still have to prove that they deserve that ranking. I think they can. I hope they do.

What he said. They haven’t earned a higher preseason ranking based on past under performance.


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[IM4X]

So you think they should be higher rankedÂ….but you also admit that they havenÂ’t earned a thing yet?

To me, the fact that they were basically a .500 team last year and the year before, says that even though they have a lot coming back, so what? They have a lot coming back, but it’s basically just a group that is mediocre based on past performances. Based on that, I can’t see how in the world they are ranked as high as they are. I’m happy that they are, but it means nothing yet. It’s all based on potential, not production. They still have to prove that they deserve that ranking. I think they can. I hope they do.

Actually, I do not think they should be ranked higher. I only wrote it was a “disappoint” because I clicked on the link thinking it was posted because X was in the top 25 - Then I saw they were 36.

Let’s hope they now have all of the pieces to be a top 25 team- they still have to earn it though - hence the second part of my post. I don’t want our coaches and team to feel they deserve a higher ranking when they have not proven anything yet.

[xukeith]

Actually, I do not think they should be ranked higher. I only wrote it was a “disappoint” because I clicked on the link thinking it was posted because X was in the top 25 - Then I saw they were 36.

Let’s hope they now have all of the pieces to be a top 25 team- they still have to earn it though - hence the second part of my post. I don’t want our coaches and team to feel they deserve a higher ranking when they have not proven anything yet.

I think every single X basketball coach has always "said" rankings don't mean anything. It is not a priority.

Polls are for fanatic fans. Maybe a recruit will see a team more when they are ranked.

[GIMMFD]

I think every single X basketball coach has always "said" rankings don't mean anything. It is not a priority.

Polls are for fanatic fans. Maybe a recruit will see a team more when they are ranked.

Definitely more exposure for televised games, though that's less of an issue with our deal with FS1, however getting non-conference games on ESPN, etc. puts more eyes on the program. Plus it's a superficial sign of success, it doesn't really mean anything with the NCAA Tournament being the NCAA Tournament and peaking in March the goal, but it is nice to have and shows that the program is in the right direction.

[Masterofreality]

Definitely more exposure for televised games, though that's less of an issue with our deal with FS1, however getting non-conference games on ESPN, etc. puts more eyes on the program. Plus it's a superficial sign of success, it doesn't really mean anything with the NCAA Tournament being the NCAA Tournament and peaking in March the goal, but it is nice to have and shows that the program is in the right direction.

Unless it is an ESPN affiliated event or team like Wake Forest, Xavier is not getting non conference games on ESPN. Every game is on Fox networks.
Irrelevant. ESPN blows

[GIMMFD]

Unless it is an ESPN affiliated event or team like Wake Forest, Xavier is not getting non conference games on ESPN. Every game is on Fox networks.
Irrelevant. ESPN blows

Ahh, so is that why the shootout was usually on ESPN? I wondered about that, especially since Oklahoma was on Fox last year. I do agree though ESPN has really gone downhill over the past few years, but it is something recruits know.

[xudash]

This should never be an “either/or“ thing when it comes to being ranked. In other words, it’s important to be totally greedy and successful here: rankings all season, winning biggest championships and success in the NCAA tournaments.

It blows my mind when people think that it isn’t important to be ranked. It is all about feeding the brand, and that is part of the process for feeding the brand.

[xu82]

This should never be an “either/or“ thing when it comes to being ranked. In other words, it’s important to be totally greedy and successful here: rankings all season, winning biggest championships and success in the NCAA tournaments.

It blows my mind when people think that it isn’t important to be ranked. It is all about feeding the brand, and that is part of the process for feeding the brand.

Public reps, since I got no juice, apparently. Build the brand! You do that by being high profile, highly ranked and hopefully making deep runs. The BRAND matters.

[xudash]

Excellent article on Cesar Edwards in the Cincy paper.

I truly hope Travis is successful this season. He certainly knows how to put the pieces together.

[bobbiemcgee]

True. But will the machine run down the hiway or explode.

[usfldan]

The non-conference schedule is just about set (just need to sort out the opponents for the pre-season NIT):

https://goxavier.com/news/2021/7/7/mens-basketball-releases-complete-2021-22-non-conference-schedule.aspx

Tue 11/9 Niagara
Fri 11/12 Kent State
Thu 11/18 Ohio State (Gavitt Tipoff Games)
Sun 11/21 Norfolk State
Wed 11/24 NIT at Barclays Center (Memphis, Virginia Tech, Iowa State)
Fri 11/26 NIT at Barclays Center (Memphis, Virginia Tech, Iowa State)
Wed 12/1 Central Michigan
Sun 12/5 at Oklahoma State (BIG EAST-Big 12 Battle)
Wed 12/8 Ball State
Sat 12/11 Cincinnati (Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout)
Wed 12/15 Morehead State

[Xuperman]

Excellent article on Cesar Edwards in the Cincy paper.

I truly hope Travis is successful this season. He certainly knows how to put the pieces together.

He reminds me a lot of Dawson Garcia. Not only physically but in his game as well.

Speaking of- Garcia landed in Chapel Hill.

[muskiefan82]

The non-conference schedule is just about set (just need to sort out the opponents for the pre-season NIT):

https://goxavier.com/news/2021/7/7/mens-basketball-releases-complete-2021-22-non-conference-schedule.aspx

Tue 11/9 Niagara
Fri 11/12 Kent State
Thu 11/18 Ohio State (Gavitt Tipoff Games)
Sun 11/21 Norfolk State
Wed 11/24 NIT at Barclays Center (Memphis, Virginia Tech, Iowa State)
Fri 11/26 NIT at Barclays Center (Memphis, Virginia Tech, Iowa State)
Wed 12/1 Central Michigan
Sun 12/5 at Oklahoma State (BIG EAST-Big 12 Battle)
Wed 12/8 Ball State
Sat 12/11 Cincinnati (Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout)
Wed 12/15 Morehead State

That is looking pretty okay to me.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

That is looking pretty okay to me.

I have no idea how difficult scheduling good teams can be, especially with the challenges of COVID. Scheduling might be a more difficult task than I now realize. But, most of us on this board believe there is a lot of talent on this year's team---with lots of returnees who played together last season. Given that, I would like to see us play higher quality teams, on the precipice of B.E. play, than Ball State and Morehead State. Meaning no disrespect to either team, I think X better prepared for play in a tough conference by scheduling tougher opponents in non-conference segment of schedule. Its not like we expect to see only a five to six player rotation. We think we have lots of talent. Let's find out.

[muskiefan82]

That is why I said pretty okay rather than great. UC, OSU (both of them!), and the NIT games are decent with other games against MEH teams to work on things before the BE. X now has to weigh the non-con differently since it was the only real opportunity to play major teams before A-10 Conference play. Had to do some damage then. Now, things are very different. Which is why 4/5 games against decent teams in the non-con works and is pretty okay.

[xucub]

Excellent article on Cesar Edwards in the Cincy paper.

I truly hope Travis is successful this season. He certainly knows how to put the pieces together.

Travis seems to know how to GATHER the pieces. He is yet to put the pieces together in any meaningful way.

[bjf123]

Travis seems to know how to GATHER the pieces. He is yet to put the pieces together in any meaningful way.

Well said. He really doesn’t have any excuses this year.


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[GoMuskies]

Travis seems to know how to GATHER the pieces. He is yet to put the pieces together in any meaningful way.

That's exactly what I thought when I read 'dash's post. If he truly figures out how to put the pieces together, watch out.

[STL_XUfan]

I have no idea how difficult scheduling good teams can be, especially with the challenges of COVID. Scheduling might be a more difficult task than I now realize. But, most of us on this board believe there is a lot of talent on this year's team---with lots of returnees who played together last season. Given that, I would like to see us play higher quality teams, on the precipice of B.E. play, than Ball State and Morehead State. Meaning no disrespect to either team, I think X better prepared for play in a tough conference by scheduling tougher opponents in non-conference segment of schedule. Its not like we expect to see only a five to six player rotation. We think we have lots of talent. Let's find out.

Mario has appeared on a few different podcasts to discuss the difficulties of scheduling and it is really interesting.

I am sure I will get some of this wrong, but the math works out as follows:

29 games + Multi team event (with 2 games) or 28 + MTE (with 3 games)
Big East = 20 games

8-9 games left to schedule
UC is always one
Big East/Big 12 challenge-
Big East/ Big 10 Challenge-

That leaves you with 5-6 games.

Cintas Center doesn't pay for itself, so you need to have a certain number of home games to maximize profits.

Any team A-10 and above are going to demand a home and home series, or a neutral site. This will take one game away from Cintas, so need to schedule those opposite of Crosstown shootout. Further, any of these teams probably are in the same type of scheduling bind as us, so finding a match even when you have availability isn't easy.

After that you are looking for buy games that will finish high in their own conference, but will also help pad the win total

So while I always want to see us play better competition, the opportunities aren't always easy to come by.

[hoopster68]

That is why I said pretty okay rather than great. UC, OSU (both of them!), and the NIT games are decent with other games against MEH teams to work on things before the BE. X now has to weigh the non-con differently since it was the only real opportunity to play major teams before A-10 Conference play. Had to do some damage then. Now, things are very different. Which is why 4/5 games against decent teams in the non-con works and is pretty okay.

I'll give the non-conference schedule a solid "B." Reasons:
1. While X has many returning players, several are injured/banged up; need games to integrate their skills, & find out readiness for BE play.
2. Other players will by vying for playing time; a few "easier" opponents will give Travis & Company chances to evaluate & make choices on rotation(s).
3. In the post-covid world X probably had some difficulty in scheduling; I like the before Christmas mix.

[xudash]

Travis seems to know how to GATHER the pieces. He is yet to put the pieces together in any meaningful way.

Thank you. That is more in line with my original thought.

[SM#24]

That gives us an 18 game home schedule. While I like the value as a season ticket holder, I don't recall us ever having that many. I think it creates a small blemish on our resume. Of our 11 road games this year, we actually didn't schedule a single one; they were all scheduled for us. Are we a team willing to challenge ourselves on the road ? This doesn't say we are.
I think we should have used one of the six buy games to schedule a high major home and home starting on the road.

[Muskie]

Just added a seat for my tickets. It's Basketball Time!

[xudash]

That gives us an 18 game home schedule. While I like the value as a season ticket holder, I don't recall us ever having that many. I think it creates a small blemish on our resume. Of our 11 road games this year, we actually didn't schedule a single one; they were all scheduled for us. Are we a team willing to challenge ourselves on the road ? This doesn't say we are.
I think we should have used one of the six buy games to schedule a high major home and home starting on the road.

Purely speculation on my part, but a partial reason for this schedule could have something to do with a little financial healing, coming out of the COVID situation. 18 home games allows us to pour cash into the bank account.

[xu82]

Purely speculation on my part, but a partial reason for this schedule could have something to do with a little financial healing, coming out of the COVID situation. 18 home games allows us to pour cash into the bank account.

That’s a good point. No idea if that is the actual reason, but it sure would seem to make sense.

[murray87]

Sorry if this has been addressed but will Cintas be all the way back to normal in terms of seating?

[SM#24]

Purely speculation on my part, but a partial reason for this schedule could have something to do with a little financial healing, coming out of the COVID situation. 18 home games allows us to pour cash into the bank account.

Begs the question of how much is an 18th home game worth ?
Season ticket prices don't change; I do not believe it changes what we get from Fox. So, you have single game ticket sales and concessions less cost including away team's guarantee.

[94GRAD]

Sorry if this has been addressed but will Cintas be all the way back to normal in terms of seating?

Greg said they are planning 100% capacity.

[Smooth]

Begs the question of how much is an 18th home game worth ?
Season ticket prices don't change; I do not believe it changes what we get from Fox. So, you have single game ticket sales and concessions less cost including away team's guarantee.

The other side of that coin is that X has to pay the travel costs if they play another away game. No one is paying us a guarantee.

[Xuperman]

Does anyone know when the Pre season NIT match ups will be announced?

[Xuperman]

Looks like our visit to Stillwater to play the Cowboys just got a little more interesting. Former Five* Big Mousse Cisse just announced he is transferring to OK St.

[xavier513]

Does anyone know when the Pre season NIT match ups will be announced?


Xavier plays Iowa State in the first round, per Rothstein. Iowa State was 0-18 last year in Big 12 play, 2-22 overall. This game will do Xavier's NET ranking no favors.

Virginia Tech and Memphis are on the other side of the bracket.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Does anyone know when the Pre season NIT match ups will be announced?

“Great” write up on ESPN today... they managed to cover 3 of the 4 teams... SMH...

2021 NIT Season Tip-Off
Dates: Nov. 24 and 26
Site: Barclays Center/Brooklyn, New York

First-round matchups:
Xavier vs. Iowa State Memphis vs. Virginia Tech

Team to beat: Virginia Tech. Mike Young's squad is anchored by Keve Aluma (15.2 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 1.3 BPG), who will return to anchor a lineup that should stand out in this field before it aims for an ACC championship and a lengthy stay in the NCAA tournament -- all realistic aspirations for this talented group.

Sleeper team: Memphis. Penny Hardaway, who reportedly interviewed for the Orlando Magic opening before announcing his decision to stay at Memphis, raised expectations with his NIT championship last season, and top scorers Landers Nolley II and DeAndre Williams are back to help Hardaway push for his first NCAA tournament berth with the Tigers.

Player to watch: With Aluma, the 6-foot-9 forward, on the floor last season, Virginia Tech made 51% of its shots inside the arc and 37% of its 3-point attempts, while holding opponents to just 96 points per 100 possessions, per hooplens.com.

Something for the college hoops junkies: New head coach T.J. Otzelberger's Iowa State squad will enter this event as an intriguing squad with key transfers, such as former Minnesota standout Gabe Kalscheur, and talented prospects, such as four-star recruit Tyrese Hunter, on the roster.

[paulxu]

Mike Young's squad at VT has 2 players he recruited and played for him here at Wofford.
Aluma who followed him up last year.
Storm Murphy who followed him up there this year.
Hope we get to play and beat them.

[GIMMFD]

Mike Young's squad at VT has 2 players he recruited and played for him here at Wofford.
Aluma who followed him up last year.
Storm Murphy who followed him up there this year.
Hope we get to play and beat them.

Only lose 1 from their starting 5, who was arguably the worst out of the 5 too, Virginia Tech should be very solid, I agree, would be a good resume win if we can get and beat them. Memphis is also pretty intriguing in my opinion, Penny can recruit, the coaching hasn't been up to par yet, but Larry Brown on staff makes things interesting too.

[Xuperman]

Only lose 1 from their starting 5, who was arguably the worst out of the 5 too, Virginia Tech should be very solid, I agree, would be a good resume win if we can get and beat them. Memphis is also pretty intriguing in my opinion, Penny can recruit, the coaching hasn't been up to par yet, but Larry Brown on staff makes things interesting too.

As mentioned above, Memphis loses 5 Star Big man Cisse to OkSt....BUT it was just announced that Penny replaced him with another 5 Star Big in Jalen Duren. Duren reclassified and will suit up this fall for the Tigers. He was the #2 overall prospect for 2022. Memphis is going to be very good and fully expect to face them in the Championship.

So with Duren added, along with Cisse plus an outstanding OSU frontcourt, Nunge and Freemantle will certainly be tested early. Then things only get more difficult up front in the BEast.

If Miles can start adding some productive minutes, even if it's only defensively, we got something cookin'.....not to mention if Edwards can get some early traction!

[xu82]

As mentioned above, Memphis loses 5 Star Big man Cisse to OkSt....BUT it was just announced that Penny replaced him with another 5 Star Big in Jalen Duren. Duren reclassified and will suit up this fall for the Tigers. He was the #2 overall prospect for 2022. Memphis is going to be very good and fully expect to face them in the Championship.

So with Duren added, along with Cisse plus an outstanding OSU frontcourt, Nunge and Freemantle will certainly be tested early. Then things only get more difficult up front in the BEast.

If Miles can start adding some productive minutes, even if it's only defensively, we got something cookin'.....not to mention if Edwards can get some early traction!

Is anyone else suspicious about the ability of Memphis to recruit???

[Xville]

Is anyone else suspicious about the ability of Memphis to recruit???

Former pro that can relate to these kids? Not really. I am suspicious about his ability to coach at this point though.

[GIMMFD]

Former pro that can relate to these kids? Not really. I am suspicious about his ability to coach at this point though.

Agreed, Penny getting these recruits isn't shocking, but he hasn't really done anything very impressive with them yet. It'll be interesting to see what Larry Brown can bring to that staff in terms of experience and what not though.

[xu82]

Former pro that can relate to these kids? Not really. I am suspicious about his ability to coach at this point though.

I guess I’m just not as trusting. If it was that easy any former pro could get top 10 recruits? I’m know he’s got some charisma (and maybe some active boosters?), but Memphis as a city and as a school do not seem like top destinations. Didn’t they get some top recruits before Penny arrived? I could obviously be wrong, but it just seems to smell a little funny. But we will probably never know….

[UCGRAD4X]

I guess I’m just not as trusting. If it was that easy any former pro could get top 10 recruits? I’m know he’s got some charisma (and maybe some active boosters?), but Memphis as a city and as a school do not seem like top destinations. Didn’t they get some top recruits before Penny arrived? I could obviously be wrong, but it just seems to smell a little funny. But we will probably never know….

Obviously. :loco:

[xu82]

Obviously. :loco:

Am I the ONLY one who finds this fishy? Maybe I’m influenced by my impression of Memphis, a place I have admittedly never been. When my wife was on the Board at St Jude Children’s Hospital she interviewed for the head of the fundraising arm (as opposed to the medical side). She learned they were having a horrible time finding anyone qualified who was willing to live in Memphis. A friend who was raised in Tennessee has theories on that, but that’s for another time and place.

Not to long ago I met one of the top guys at FedEx and his wife. That was right here in Atlanta, where they live. I think he has a place in Memphis, but wouldn’t live there full time.

Memphis does not have Mark Few or the track record of Gonzaga, but they sure seem to attract some top flight talent….for some reason. I’m sure Penny is a great guy, but….it just feels odd to me. If Arizona and the like are playing games with bags of cash, why not Memphis?

I know, I offer nothing of substance to back that up, it’s just a gut feeling.

[GoMuskies]

Historically Memphis is a very good program with a lot of support from the city. They've certainly had their periods of struggling, but I'm not sure Memphis being successful at recruiting with a hall of fame alum coaching should be considered fishy.

[xu82]

OK, I’ll just be glad these top 5 kinda guys aren’t going to Duke and UK the way they usually do.

[XUGRAD80]

In the past, a lot of the 5* talent going to Memphis was home grown. Hardaway was an AAU coach before taking the Memphis job, so several the players in his first year or so where alumni from his AAU team out of that area. It helps to have a pro player of his status to attract talent, especially in a talent rich area of the country. It was no surprise to me that SJU, when Mullins was there, got some NY kids it might otherwise not have. It’s no surprise to me that GTown, with Ewing, is getting some highly regarded bigs. Memphis has some past history of excellent teams reaching back several decades, so I’m not at all surprised that the combination of a Hall of Fame player, who is an alumni of the school, and is from the area, combined with a talent rich area and a school with a history of being a top 20 program, is getting 5* players to attend. It also wouldn’t surprise me if there was some money involved somewhere too.

[profson]

In the past, a lot of the 5* talent going to Memphis was home grown. Hardaway was an AAU coach before taking the Memphis job, so several the players in his first year or so where alumni from his AAU team out of that area. It helps to have a pro player of his status to attract talent, especially in a talent rich area of the country. It was no surprise to me that SJU, when Mullins was there, got some NY kids it might otherwise not have. It’s no surprise to me that GTown, with Ewing, is getting some highly regarded bigs. Memphis has some past history of excellent teams reaching back several decades, so I’m not at all surprised that the combination of a Hall of Fame player, who is an alumni of the school, and is from the area, combined with a talent rich area and a school with a history of being a top 20 program, is getting 5* players to attend. It also wouldn’t surprise me if there was some money involved somewhere too.

He is not in the HOF.

[XUGRAD80]

He is not in the HOF.

Memphis and Orlando Magic halls

[profson]

Memphis and Orlando Magic halls

...and undoubtedly his HS HOF too.

[JTG]

I may be wrong, but I think going clear back to Dana Kirk starting in 1980 Memphis has always had a shady reputation. No classes, money, pd relatives, vacated NCAA apperances. Hell, Derrick Rose is almost illiterate.

[xu82]

I may be wrong, but I think going clear back to Dana Kirk starting in 1980 Memphis has always had a shady reputation. No classes, money, pd relatives, vacated NCAA apperances. Hell, Derrick Rose is almost illiterate.

I can’t cite any specifics, but that is my impression of the program. I don’t know why and couldn’t back it up, but it’s just my gut feel.

[MHettel]

I can’t cite any specifics, but that is my impression of the program. I don’t know why and couldn’t back it up, but it’s just my gut feel.

Memphis always reminded me of UC. Urban school in a mid-sized city. not really known for academics. Would kill their own mother for basketball success..

[94GRAD]

Memphis always reminded me of UC. Urban school in a mid-sized city. not really known for academics. Would kill their own mother for basketball success..

Have you not heard? uc is a football school!

[Masterofreality]

I can’t cite any specifics, but that is my impression of the program. I don’t know why and couldn’t back it up, but it’s just my gut feel.

Add Slimy Calapari to that resume

[bobbiemcgee]

Rothstein citing "sources" for PK 85 in 2022:

Duke
UNC
Villanova
UConn
Xavier
Gonzaga
Alabama
Florida
Michigan State
Purdue
West Virginia
Iowa State
Oregon
Oregon State
Portland
Portland State

[noteggs]

Rothstein citing "sources" for PK 85 in 2022:

Duke
UNC
Villanova
UConn
Xavier
Gonzaga
Alabama
Florida
Michigan State
Purdue
West Virginia
Iowa State
Oregon
Oregon State
Portland
Portland State

Wow!!! What great 12-13 schools to play in a MTE! Guess it pays to have Nike as a sponsor…

[EastCoastXman]

Thought that there was a rule of only 2 teams per conference. That is the way the last tournament was setup. 2 brackets.

[XUGRAD80]

Have you not heard? uc is a football school!


#10 in the preseason coaches poll.

[XUMIOH12]

Thought that there was a rule of only 2 teams per conference. That is the way the last tournament was setup. 2 brackets.

Yeah it's basically just 2 different 8 team tournaments. so 2 BE teams will be in one and 1 BE team will be in the other.

[EastCoastXman]

So Nova, UConn and X. Somebody is not going!

[Smails]

#10 in the preseason coaches poll.

And as much as it pains me to say it, they might be better than that,,

[Xavier]

And as much as it pains me to say it, they might be better than that,,

I have nothing against UC football. I actually prefer them to be good. In terms of the college football landscape, them being better than 10 really doesn't matter. The top tier in CFB is so much better than everyone else it is ridiculous. Having said that it would still be a great accomplishment and cool to see them make the playoffs.

[Xuperman]

And as much as it pains me to say it, they might be better than that,,

Everyone here should be rooting for UC football to continue to get even stronger going forward. It's the only way they have any shot of getting an invite to the ACC or a revamped B12 when all the tremors subside. If this happens, it would actually benefit the Basketball program more in a lot of ways.

Imagine Duke, Carolina or Kansas rolling into town on a regular basis. It would pay big dividends to the city as a whole and would positively enhance the Crosstown Shootout as well.

[GoMuskies]

Everyone here should be rooting for UC football to continue to get even stronger going forward. It's the only way they have any shot of getting an invite to the ACC or a revamped B12 when all the tremors subside. If this happens, it would actually benefit the Basketball program more in a lot of ways.

Imagine Duke, Carolina or Kansas rolling into town on a regular basis. It would pay big dividends to the city as a whole and would positively enhance the Crosstown Shootout as well.

Pardon my French, but fuck that. UC can kindly fuck off on the AAC secret online streaming network.

[bjf123]

Pardon my French, but fuck that. UC can kindly fuck off on the AAC secret online streaming network.

Don’t sugarcoat it. Tell us what you really think.


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[Xville]

Pardon my French, but fuck that. UC can kindly fuck off on the AAC secret online streaming network.

This is something I can get behind. Fuck UC. Who gives a fuck if uc gets to play duke, unc or some other blue blood? X may have needed that bs in the past, they don’t now.

[Xuperman]

Pardon my French, but fuck that. UC can kindly fuck off on the AAC secret online streaming network.

I see that you needed no time to ponder the situation!

I guess the question is, does strong Bearcat basketball benefit Xavier in regards to the Shootout? Of course it does. If they are not included in the restructuring, they will likely end up totally irrelevant. Who would want to see X monkey stomp them every year? Bye-Bye national TV exposure and local interest would dry up as well. There would be no reason for Xavier to schedule the game.

[GoMuskies]

Who would want to see X monkey stomp them every year?

I would quite enjoy that. Yes to this!

[94GRAD]

I see that you needed no time to ponder the situation!

I guess the question is, does strong Bearcat basketball benefit Xavier in regards to the Shootout? Of course it does. If they are not included in the restructuring, they will likely end up totally irrelevant. Who would want to see X monkey stomp them every year? Bye-Bye national TV exposure and local interest would dry up as well. There would be no reason for Xavier to schedule the game.

Every sinngle X fan but you I'd guess

[JTG]

I see that you needed no time to ponder the situation!

I guess the question is, does strong Bearcat basketball benefit Xavier in regards to the Shootout? Of course it does. If they are not included in the restructuring, they will likely end up totally irrelevant. Who would want to see X monkey stomp them every year? Bye-Bye national TV exposure .

Duh, we're on National tv every game. Where the hell have you been. And I second the Fuck UC sentiments. The Shootout has lost a lot of it's juice anyway. I understand it's sort of a big deal for the city, but living elsewhere, other than X winning that is just another game on the schedule for me.

[XU_Lou]

Duh, we're on National tv every game. Where the hell have you been. And I second the Fuck UC sentiments. The Shootout has lost a lot of it's juice anyway. I understand it's sort of a big deal for the city, but living elsewhere, other than X winning that is just another game on the schedule for me.

On the other hand, wouldn't it be nice to have more wins in the lifetime series so those bastards don't have that hanging over our heads?

[Xuperman]

Duh, we're on National tv every game. Where the hell have you been. And I second the Fuck UC sentiments. The Shootout has lost a lot of it's juice anyway. I understand it's sort of a big deal for the city, but living elsewhere, other than X winning that is just another game on the schedule for me.

Duh, where you been? NO we're not anywhere close to a National brand. Obviously it's available if you pay extra for the necessary sports package. National is either Big Fox, the other 3 networks or ESPN which is basically included in any standard package. But, yes the Shootout will continue to lose it's "juice" if UC can't right the ship quickly.

Evidently most here are hoping UC basketball tanks so we can pound on them for a few years. If that's the case, you must also want to see an end to the tradition altogether..... It can not exist in today's game W/O BOTH teams having thriving programs.

[JTG]

Duh, where you been? NO we're not anywhere close to a National brand. Obviously it's available if you pay extra for the necessary sports package. National is either Big Fox, the other 3 networks or ESPN which is basically included in any standard package. But, yes the Shootout will continue to lose it's "juice" if UC can't right the ship quickly.

Evidently most here are hoping UC basketball tanks so we can pound on them for a few years. If that's the case, you must also want to see an end to the tradition altogether..... It can not exist in today's game W/O BOTH teams having thriving programs.

You didn't say national Brand you said national tv. Fox 1 is on almost all cable packages and is not extra. Go hangout on " Bearcat Bullcrap" or whatever they call their fan board if you're so worried about their program. Few if any of the rest of us give a shit what happens in Clifton.

[atljar]

^----- Im with these guys. X could win by 30+ every year, playing with their non scholarship players, and I would still gleefully watch and celebrate. It would never get old

[xukeith]

Pardon my French, but fuck that. UC can kindly fuck off on the AAC secret online streaming network.

Why any X fan would cheer the Bearketoacidosis squad is beyond me.

[XUGRAD80]

Why any X fan would cheer the Bearketoacidosis squad is beyond me.

Just because someone likes another school….no matter who they are…..doesn’t mean they like X any less, does it? There are many many families in the Cincinnati area that have ties to both schools. Some of us actually attended both schools, or had parents/children that attended either school. Many of my best friends are UC fans/grads. So I find myself attending some UC games because I like spending time with my friends, and vice versa. If given a choice, I’ll attend/watch a Xavier game over a UC game, but I tend to watch both when their is no conflict. I’m more of a “casual” UC fan and diehard X fan. But since X doesn’t have football, and UC does, my college football allegiance is to UC. That doesn’t make me any less of an X fan.

[drudy23]

Just because someone likes another school….no matter who they are…..doesn’t mean they like X any less, does it? There are many many families in the Cincinnati area that have ties to both schools. Some of us actually attended both schools, or had parents/children that attended either school. Many of my best friends are UC fans/grads. So I find myself attending some UC games because I like spending time with my friends, and vice versa. If given a choice, I’ll attend/watch a Xavier game over a UC game, but I tend to watch both when their is no conflict. I’m more of a “casual” UC fan and diehard X fan. But since X doesn’t have football, and UC does, my college football allegiance is to UC. That doesn’t make me any less of an X fan.

Turncoat.

[atljar]

Turncoat.

Petition to change his name to Benedict Arnold!

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.bigeast.com/news/2021/8/16/mens-basketball-bigeasthoops-notebook-looking-ahead.aspx

[UCGRAD4X]

https://www.bigeast.com/news/2021/8/16/mens-basketball-bigeasthoops-notebook-looking-ahead.aspx

It is interesting how most the team analyses mentions the freshman and/or the rank of the recruiting class, yet no mention at all in the Xavier analysis. It speaks to the veteran depth that Xavier is going to have and not needing to rely on freshmen as many of teams seem to be (in this article).

The pieces seem to be in place. It's up to the coaches (gulp).

[xukeith]

I have never been a Butler fan, but with all that experience returning, they should be middle of the pack in BE.

[XUGRAD80]

Xavier certainly does have quite a bit of experience coming back. But I fear that if they play only as well as they have in the past, we will see similar results. The real question to me is will the returning players play better?

[Xavier]

Has anyone heard if Cintas will have any restrictions, etc.- relating to Covid? I wasn't sure what the school was doing with classes starting up soon (masks, vaccines, distancing, etc.) ?

Overall I don't anticipate much of anything, just wasn't sure if there was any noise in the background about it.

[noteggs]

Has anyone heard if Cintas will have any restrictions, etc.- relating to Covid? I wasn't sure what the school was doing with classes starting up soon (masks, vaccines, distancing, etc.) ?

Overall I don't anticipate much of anything, just wasn't sure if there was any noise in the background about it.

Mandatory masks for all in class. I would be surprised if masks weren’t required for Cintas if things remained the same. Vaccines highly encouraged but no mandates to date.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I would assume masks will be required or at least a vax card.

[X-man]

Mandatory masks for all in class. I would be surprised if masks weren’t required for Cintas if things remained the same. Vaccines highly encouraged but no mandates to date.

I expect masks to be required at the Cintas as well. And I predict that once the vaccines get full FDA approval, Xavier will go to mandatory vaccinations for all students and employees, possibly for the spring term. If that happens, maybe masks won't be required in Cintas given that everyone attending games will need to be vaccinated. But with breakthrough infections still possible, probably masks will remain required even if vaccinations become mandatory for attending games.

[xukeith]

I expect masks to be required at the Cintas as well. And I predict that once the vaccines get full FDA approval, Xavier will go to mandatory vaccinations for all students and employees, possibly for the spring term. If that happens, maybe masks won't be required in Cintas given that everyone attending games will need to be vaccinated. But with breakthrough infections still possible, probably masks will remain required even if vaccinations become mandatory for attending games.

I think some administrations will strongly encourage fans to not scream nor take off masks. Can you imagine?

[GoMuskies]

LSU is mandating vaccines or negative tests to get into football games, so I suspect Xavier will require some sort or mitigation for indoor basketball. Granted, I think the world will look quite different in 3 months.

https://twitter.com/BrodyAMiller/status/1430183619910328336?s=20

[bobbiemcgee]

Penny added two 5 stars (potential lottery picks) and has the #1 recruiting class. Pre-season #7 now.

[GoMuskies]

Penny added two 5 stars and has the #1 recruiting class. Pre-season #7 now.

If Mike Miller had stayed, they would have someone to coach that team and might have done okay.

I forgot they hired Larry Brown, but he's a million years old.

[SM#24]

Penny added two 5 stars (potential lottery picks) and has the #1 recruiting class. Pre-season #7 now.

That's great. It will be a high quality win wen we beat them in NYC. I'll enjoy watching their dandies shit their diapers at the sight of our deep, experienced team.

[bobbiemcgee]

That's a big friggin' scoreboard:

https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/1431625191025790977/photo/1

[GreatWhiteNorth]

That’s right. It’s BIG!

[94GRAD]

Floor being installed.

https://twitter.com/XUmktgguy/status/1432714926947176454

[paulxu]

Love to see "the Big East" on our floor.

[xukeith]

That X on the floor looks larger. Maybe the frame around the floor is tricking my eyes.

[xukeith]

How much does Cintas have to pay each year for the name?

[deepX]

How much does Cintas have to pay each year for the name?

Cintas pays nothing.

[Olsingledigit]

Cintas pays nothing.

Bob Kohlhep, former Cintas CEO, in concert with other Cintas related family members gave, I believe $9 million to help build Cintas Arena. For that they got the naming rights for the Stadium. Whether that was a forever deal or not I don’t know.

[xukeith]

I remember there was some new hire on X staff over the summer as a hired experienced personal assistant to Travis Steele. The name either slips my mind or it has still not been released to the X faithful?

My dream hire would be wait 2-3 years to let the smoke calm down regarding one Sean Miller. Get him on the X bench ASAP. He always sings X praise.

[noteggs]

I remember there was some new hire on X staff over the summer as a hired experienced personal assistant to Travis Steele. The name either slips my mind or it has still not been released to the X faithful?

My dream hire would be wait 2-3 years to let the smoke calm down regarding one Sean Miller. Get him on the X bench ASAP. He always sings X praise.

We hired a Director of Recruiting instead. His name is Jordan Brooks and has strong ties in the DC AAU area. Has been an assistant coach at this level as well. Some of his connections may have helped in the Ward recruitment.

[SkyWalker]

Anyone have any info on the Big East Conference schedule release? The Big Ten released their's schedule last week. I recall conference schedules being release early to mid September.

[paulxu]

How is it that all 4 BE teams end up on the same side of this forecast?

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/bracketology/ncaa-bracketology-projecting-2022-march-madness-men-field

[94GRAD]

How is it that all 4 BE teams end up on the same side of this forecast?

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/bracketology/ncaa-bracketology-projecting-2022-march-madness-men-field

If you play someone 2 or more times during the season, you can't play them until the Sweet Sixteen. Everything is kosher with his bracket.

[xukeith]

I think the committee tries to have it so teams from same conference do not play each other in the first or second round.

[xukeith]

Looking at X's roster, I think this season's success depends on how reliable Nunge is. We know Freemantle, Scruggs, Jones, Johnson and Odom will produce. For X to be good, we need reliable production and defense from our center.

[bobbiemcgee]

Wow

https://twitter.com/XavierMBB?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7 Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Kunk's a hunk.

[XUGRAD80]

Looking at X's roster, I think this season's success depends on how reliable Nunge is. We know Freemantle, Scruggs, Jones, Johnson and Odom will produce. For X to be good, we need reliable production and defense from our center.

Enquirer article says that they are being very cautious with his rehab. He isn’t allowed to play any 5 on 5 yet. Hopes to be fully recovered by beginning of season though.

[xukeith]

Enquirer article says that they are being very cautious with his rehab. He isn’t allowed to play any 5 on 5 yet. Hopes to be fully recovered by beginning of season though.

I didn't go to the softball game but I heard people were impressed with Stanley running full blast and playing left handed catcher. If he can contribute that would be great. Not sure he knows defense

[xu82]

Wow

https://twitter.com/XavierMBB?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7 Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Kunk's a hunk.

I hope he’s still flexible and it helps rather than hurts his shooting. That’s an impressive change, no doubt!

[xukeith]

Not sure where to post this but this analysis and ranking system in preseason happens every year and it is a good free read: They rank the top 144 teams with analysis and depth charts/rosters.
They are up to # 66 out of 144.

SJU and Creighton are the recent BE teams. I imagine X will be in the #25-44 range.

link:
https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/mens-basketball/top-144-previews?page=1

[Muskie]

Athalon's has us 2nd-3rd in the Big East and in the Round of 32. I just saved you 9.99.

[Masterofreality]

So, the oddsmakers, who we know are usually incredibly accurate, have placed Xavier as 7th best out of 11 Big East teams. Not exactly an endorsement of Travis Steele’s tenure. That isn’t me that set this, but the wise guys.
If Xavier, after all of the hype of this off season finishes 7th in the league, which will most assuredly not earn an NCAA bid, does Steele get fired in March, 2022?

I say yes. Enough is enough. If after 4 years you get a 7th place finish? Time to move on.

[94GRAD]

So, the oddsmakers, who we know are usually incredibly accurate, have placed Xavier as 7th best out of 11 Big East teams. Not exactly an endorsement of Travis Steele’s tenure. That isn’t me that set this, but the wise guys.
If Xavier, after all of the hype of this off season finishes 7th in the league, which will most assuredly not earn an NCAA bid, does Steele get fired in March, 2022?

I say yes. Enough is enough. If after 4 years you get a 7th place finish? Time to move on.

The dislike for Travis runs deep if you have to post, two months before the first game, about firing him because Oddsmakers have them at the 7th best odds to win the Conference.

[xukeith]

The dislike for Travis runs deep if you have to post, two months before the first game, about firing him because Oddsmakers have them at the 7th best odds to win the Conference.

I would love to know the Odds numbers odds and predictions for Duke, UNC and KY before last season.

[xukeith]

Have a link or source?

[bobbiemcgee]

Predictions are all over the map. Busting brackets 2, Athletic 3, Lunardi 3. Loads of talent but can Steele handle it?

[94GRAD]

Have a link or source?

https://twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1441100054111137792

[Lloyd Braun]

Odds are created to reflect the betting public’s money on who will win the conference. That is not exactly the same as projecting conference standings.

[xu82]

Odds are created to reflect the betting public’s money on who will win the conference. That is not exactly the same as projecting conference standings.

Don’t let little things like that throw a wet blanket on the hate.

He’s got to win and make the tourney this year. Hoping we have a great year. No hate, just basketball. Pretty simple.

[JEHARDI]

So, the oddsmakers, who we know are usually incredibly accurate, have placed Xavier as 7th best out of 11 Big East teams. Not exactly an endorsement of Travis Steele’s tenure. That isn’t me that set this, but the wise guys.
If Xavier, after all of the hype of this off season finishes 7th in the league, which will most assuredly not earn an NCAA bid, does Steele get fired in March, 2022?

I say yes. Enough is enough. If after 4 years you get a 7th place finish? Time to move on.

You are a crotchety old f##k! Lighten up Francis, time will tell.

[xu82]

You are a crotchety old f##k! Lighten up Francis, time will tell.

Well, that’s another way of putting it…..

[noteggs]

Don’t let little things like that throw a wet blanket on the hate.

He’s got to win and make the tourney this year. Hoping we have a great year. No hate, just basketball. Pretty simple.

Em I’m the only person that canceled their tickets because of prediction? Curious…

[xu82]

Em I’m the only person that canceled their tickets because of prediction? Curious…

My annual game got cancelled when my season ticket holder buddy failed to renew because of the mask requirement. I have to say, I’m kind of relieved. Torn, but relieved. Eager to get out and do things again, but I will find better options.

[JTG]

My annual game got cancelled when my season ticket holder buddy failed to renew because of the mask requirement. I have to say, I’m kind of relieved. Torn, but relieved. Eager to get out and do things again, but I will find better options.
Most of us have got out and done things for at least a year now. I, for one am looking forward to catching at least a couple games at Cintas.

[XUBison]

Most of us have got out and done things for at least a year now. I, for one am looking forward to catching at least a couple games at Cintas.

Yes, my thought as well. What a weird post.

[xu82]

Most of us have got out and done things for at least a year now. I, for one am looking forward to catching at least a couple games at Cintas.

Oh, we get out. But I don’t live in Cincinnati so it’s not a clear cut decision for me. Since my buddy refuses to go, it’s off the table. I was at the Bills home opener a couple weeks ago, following a wedding in Chicago. We’ve actually had a bunch of trips I won’t bother to list. My son is in Hawaii on his honeymoon (altered from the original plan of Italy). I’m jealous! But going to Cincinnati where my friend won’t attend while having to wear a mask in the stadium (I’m fine with masks in stores, on planes, etc) just isn’t appealing enough for me to bother.

PLUS, my buddy recently had a terrible house fire and they are looking at 7-8 months to repair. All things considered, I’ll put my annual Xhoops/Danas/Zips/Arthurs fix on hold for a year. No big deal, considering the larger picture.

[xu82]

Yes, my thought as well. What a weird post.


I don’t think it’s weird at all, if you consider the bigger picture I laid out above and the availability of better travel options. Sorry if I didn’t include enough context originally. If I lived in Cincinnati I’d probably catch a game or two at least.

[xudash]

None of us have been here since Bob Staak took over.

Think about that. It’s a helluva place to be.

I wish Travis nothing but the best of luck and I certainly hope that he has shored up his coaching deficiencies since last season. This season was already going to be filled with pressure. I can’t imagine what the added pressure feels like. I just hope they come out of the gate well and maintain a high level of focus and energy. Every little mistake this guy makes, and we all certainly hope he doesn’t make very many, will be scrutinized to no end.

[Masterofreality]

You are a crotchety old f##k! Lighten up Francis, time will tell.

Rather than “Lightening up” I’ll be Showing Up at my 3 season tickets.
It was a simple question. And 7th is unacceptable in year 4. Period.
Why can’t you answer it?

[Xville]

I've been as big of a critic of Steele as anyone, but maybe let's wait for the season to start before we start bitching about him this year based on some Vegas projections? I know its crazy to think this, but Vegas actually is wrong from time to time. Pretty sure UK or Duke has been picked to win the National Championship like 20 years in a row and its happened like 3 times.

[XUGRAD80]

I've been as big of a critic of Steele as anyone, but maybe let's wait for the season to start before we start bitching about him this year based on some Vegas projections? I know its crazy to think this, but Vegas actually is wrong from time to time. Pretty sure UK or Duke has been picked to win the National Championship like 20 years in a row and its happened like 3 times.

He just wants to beat the Christmas rush.

I swear that some people just ENJOY bitching and moaning. No sense in trying to be reasonable with them.

[Masterofreality]

I've been as big of a critic of Steele as anyone, but maybe let's wait for the season to start before we start bitching about him this year based on some Vegas projections? I know its crazy to think this, but Vegas actually is wrong from time to time. Pretty sure UK or Duke has been picked to win the National Championship like 20 years in a row and its happened like 3 times.

It was an observation and a question. Obviously the Oddsmakers give Steele no credibility based on his first 3 years.
It is interesting as to how the Xavier program is now percieved Nationally. Other pundits have discounted Xavier this year too.
Ain’t me talking, Sir.
And as to those other teams, they seem to make regular Final Fours, of which Xavier has zero. Not really an apt comparison.

[Masterofreality]

He just wants to beat the Christmas rush.

I swear that some people just ENJOY bitching and moaning. No sense in trying to be reasonable with them.

Steele beat “The Christmas Rush” when he blew a 19 point second half lead to a Garbage Butler team in MSG in March, after blowing numerous winnable games just prior to that.
Facts outweigh reason. Steele has proving to do that he can actually accomplish something. Chris Mack is in the exact same boat.

[XUGRAD80]

Steele beat “The Christmas Rush” when he blew a 19 point second half lead to a Garbage Butler team in MSG in March, after blowing numerous winnable games just prior to that.
Facts outweigh reason. Steele has proving to do that he can actually accomplish something. Chris Mack is in the exact same boat.

You’re enjoying yourself, aren’t you? :lol:

[xukeith]

You’re enjoying yourself, aren’t you? :lol:

Still waiting for his links for many pundits have sowered on XU this year because of Steele's past management.

[paulxu]

Coach A: first 3 year conference record: 13-29
Coach B: first 3 year conference record: 23-26

Who you got?

[GoMuskies]

Coach A brings in the #1 recruiting class in the country as freshmen in his 3rd year. It has a happy ending, though, as they all end up crying one fine April evening in Dallas.

[paulxu]

I know, not really good comparison.
But in today's world it's hard to give a coach time to get "his" players and put in "his" system."
Everybody wants instant gratification.
I think 5 years is a good number before reaching for the rope.

[GoMuskies]

I actually just like pointing out that Duke's super recruiting class finished up by losing to Louisville in what was probably the happiest day of my 9 year-old life to that point.

[Xville]

It was an observation and a question. Obviously the Oddsmakers give Steele no credibility based on his first 3 years.
It is interesting as to how the Xavier program is now percieved Nationally. Other pundits have discounted Xavier this year too.
Ain’t me talking, Sir.
And as to those other teams, they seem to make regular Final Fours, of which Xavier has zero. Not really an apt comparison.

I wasn’t comparing the teams, I was saying Vegas is wrong from time to time and used them as an example. Why do you care what Vegas has to say? I’m sure you would be here singing Steele’s praises if Vegas picked them to win the conference, right?

[Masterofreality]

I wasn’t comparing the teams, I was saying Vegas is wrong from time to time and used them as an example. Why do you care what Vegas has to say? I’m sure you would be here singing Steele’s praises if Vegas picked them to win the conference, right?

But They didn’t.

[paulxu]

I actually just like pointing out that Duke's super recruiting class finished up by losing to Louisville in what was probably the happiest day of my 9 year-old life to that point.

You just said that to make me feel old. (Unfortunately it worked)

[XUBison]

I don’t think it’s weird at all, if you consider the bigger picture I laid out above and the availability of better travel options. Sorry if I didn’t include enough context originally. If I lived in Cincinnati I’d probably catch a game or two at least.

Yes, very fair. I know some people who still do not get out at all. I love them, but they are odd ducks. And for the record, I’m not talking about highly vulnerable people, just odd ducks, doing their civic duty or something. I will give you the benefit of the doubt next time.

[XUGRAD80]

Just wondering what are the top question marks everyone sees for the team this year? Not necessarily personal as much as what are the top thing the TEAM needs to do better in order to be more successfully? I’ll start with my top two….

1). Can this team consistently win the rebounding battle, especially defensively?

2). Will this team have anyone that will constantly become THE go-to player at the end of close games? I hope that they have more than one player that can fill this need.

For me, these have been the top things that the ream has been missing the last couple of years, and some the the things that Xavier success has been based on so often in the past.

[Xville]

Just wondering what are the top question marks everyone sees for the team this year? Not necessarily personal as much as what are the top thing the TEAM needs to do better in order to be more successfully? I’ll start with my top two….

1). Can this team consistently win the rebounding battle, especially defensively?

2). Will this team have anyone that will constantly become THE go-to player at the end of close games? I hope that they have more than one player that can fill this need.

For me, these have been the top things that the ream has been missing the last couple of years, and some the the things that Xavier success has been based on so often in the past.

Completely agree with number one. I know it’s become somewhat of a cliche at this point but we have to start out toughing the opposition.

I kind of agree with the second point, but other thing we desperately need is someone that can efficiently get to the rim and either score, get fouled or throw it out to our shooters. I don’t feel like we have had someone that could do that for a very long time. Odom or kyky should be able to do it, but they haven’t consistently.

[xukeith]

I agree defensive rebounding is essential for winning. I don't put a lot of weight into Scruggs being the go to guy with game on the line. I expect Freemantle to demand the ball.

I also believe X needs contribution defensively and offensively from either Hunter, Nunge, Edwards or Miles. It is imperative that X can defend bigs and score points from the 4/5 position. Carter played solid defense last year and it will be missed this year. I Miles is bursting with NBA talent, he should step up this year. Early signs show Hunter is a strong scorer but can he defend?

[GIMMFD]

Completely agree with number one. I know it’s become somewhat of a cliche at this point but we have to start out toughing the opposition.

I kind of agree with the second point, but other thing we desperately need is someone that can efficiently get to the rim and either score, get fouled or throw it out to our shooters. I don’t feel like we have had someone that could do that for a very long time. Odom or kyky should be able to do it, but they haven’t consistently.

I thought Odom had flashes of it last season, especially towards the end, I'm hoping it's not a Sophomore slump, and that he can build off of it. We all know he has the speed and athleticism, same for Kyky, hell Scruggs has it too when he's feeling it. But yeah, definitely been missing someone who could do that at will, last couple were probably what, Semaj, Ed, and Tu???

[American X]

College Basketball's Top Surprise Teams (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/dribble-handoff-arizona-iowa-state-among-college-basketballs-top-surprise-teams-so-far-in-2021-22-season/)

Xavier


The Big East's coaches predicted that Xavier would finish third in the conference, so it's not like the Musketeers have come from nowhere. But the fact that they are 9-1, ranked No. 15 in the NET and have a 3-1 mark in Quad 1 games is a sure sign that they have overachieved relative to national expectations. One of the most impressive parts about what Xavier has done is that it beat Ohio State and Virginia Tech without last season's leading scorer Zach Freemantle, who missed the first six games with a foot injury.


Given Villanova's concerning offensive performance against Baylor on Sunday and the fact that the Wildcats haven't exactly popped yet, it suddenly looks like the Musketeers could have a shot in the Big East race. Even if Xavier cools off a bit and finds itself in the middle of the Big East pack, it should still qualify for its NCAA Tournament since 2018 because of its strong non conference performance. It would be the program's first appearance in the Big Dance under fourth-year coach Travis Steele and an affirmation of how he kept the roster's nucleus together during the offseason.

[D-West & PO-Z]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/32876255/early-2021-22-men-college-basketball-transfer-scorecard-surprised-disappointed

Reassessing this years college basketball transfers.

Nunge fell into this category:

Change of scenery has been beneficial
Jack Nunge, Xavier: Nunge has been a revelation down low for Travis Steele's program. He's averaging 13.0 points and 7.5 boards through 10 games this season, and is coming off a 31-point, 15-rebound performance in a blowout win over crosstown rival Cincinnati. Xavier's star big man Zach Freemantle missed the first several games of the season due to injury, but is finding it hard to get back into the lineup given the way Nunge is playing.

Mack/Louisville had two transfers fall into the "Grass isn't always greener" category.


Borzello clearly missed the mark with the Freemantle comment though.

[X-band '01]

All I hope for this year is that we don't see another prolonged COVID outbreak with these guys. Last year, Xavier was 3-2 in the Big East with buzzer-beaters against Marquette/Providence and a win against the Johnnies before the shit hit the fan. About a month later, they were completely rusty and were never the same.

[American X]

Rewind a year. We were flying high after an otherworldly performance against Oklahoma, winning the Crosstown Shootout, and game winner in shootout against Marquette. Then reality struck, understandably dropping a game at a good Creighton team. Then Xavier looked like they did not even belong on the same court as Seton Hall. Then the 'season' turned into a nightmarish hellscape riven with disease, anguish and strife.

By all observations, this is a much improved team, coach, roster, strategy, tactics, execution, etc. Every indicator points toward this go-round being better, much better.

As we enter Big East play, any Xavier fan needs to be optimistic, but my optimism could not be more cautious.

[American X]

Now that the twice annual Big East Scut Farkus making us say UNCLE! is behind us, we can move on and enjoy the rest of the Big East season.

We have a full slate of interesting & challenging games with ample opportunities for quality wins. Defend the home court, steal a few on the road, stay above .500 in conference, get better as the season progresses, and hopefully we are playing for seed come March.

[xukeith]

Now that the twice annual Big East Scut Farkus making us say UNCLE! is behind us, we can move on and enjoy the rest of the Big East season.

We have a full slate of interesting & challenging games with ample opportunities for quality wins. Defend the home court, steal a few on the road, stay above .500 in conference, get better as the season progresses, and hopefully we are playing for seed come March.

It will happen. Seed between 4-9 probably. 2nd-5th in BE conference. NET ratings do not fluctuate in conference play

[American X]

NET ratings do not fluctuate in conference play

Why do NET rankings not fluctuate in conference play?

[murray87]

Saw some quick highlights of last nights Seton Hall/Depaul game. Both teams are loaded with big athletic players so having a crappy half against either will lead to more disappointment. You can really say that about any of our conference opponents maybe with the exception of Butler.

[xukeith]

Why do NET rankings not fluctuate in conference play?

Barring a complete losing streak of 4-6 games, compared to other ratings, NET ratings do not wildly jump up spots or lower .
It can happen but if a team is starting conference play at say NET rating of 20, if that team goes .500 in conference their NET raring wont tumble to say 50 or below.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Barring a complete losing streak of 4-6 games, compared to other ratings, NET ratings do not wildly jump up spots or lower .
It can happen but if a team is starting conference play at say NET rating of 20, if that team goes .500 in conference their NET raring wont tumble to say 50 or below.

This seems like it would be conference dependent. You are saying this for X specifically bc we are in a good conference?

[American X]

Barring a complete losing streak of 4-6 games.

We cannot rule that out.

[Xville]

We cannot rule that out.

Like the schedule from feb 9th to March 2nd. Yikes.

[Xuperman]

We cannot rule that out.

Fortunately, the losing streaks so far stand at 1. Anything approaching a 6 gamer would be a situation very hard to overcome.

[Xuperman]

Like the schedule from feb 9th to March 2nd. Yikes.

You are correct Xville. That last stretch will either turn off/on the gas under Steele's HOT SEAT here! Unfortunately, his track record in FEB/MARCH really keeps the pilot light on.

Here's the thing. You can debate in game roster decisions or Coach X/O's. All that to me hinges on player EXECUTION.

NOW, Getting his guys motivated, confident and focused on a solid gameplay is paramount, starting tomorrow!

These NEXT SEVEN are going to set the trajectory for Steele. I think 5-2 necessary for team confidence, in order to navigate the gauntlet that is coming. 4-3 will fire up this board for sure. No shortage of firebrands here ready to make that go full blown negative.

[Xer4ever]

You are correct Xille. That last stretch will either turn on/off the gas in Steele's HOT SEAT here! His track record in FEB/MARCH is what keeps the pilot light on, IMO.

Here's the thing. You can debate in game roster decisions or Coach X/O's. All that to me hinges on player EXECUTION.

NOW, Getting his guys motivated, confident and focused on a solid gameplay is paramount, starting tomorrow!

These NEXT SEVEN are going to set the trajectory for Steele. I think 5-2 necessary for team confidence, in order to navigate the gauntlet that is coming. 4-3 will fire up this board for sure. No shortage of firebrands here ready to make that go full blown negative.

Just hoping none of the rest of the schedule is negatively affected by Covid, either by postponement, and/or illness to our guys.

[Xuperman]

I was perusing the game logs of our top 8 rotation guys and came away feeling a bit concerned. We have no consistent scorer. In some cases there is wild disparities from one game to the next.

I guess the"glass half full" angle says that we have 6-7 guys that can fill it on any given day. However, it certainly throws a wrinkle into the ability to coach, in game, when you never know what you're going to get offensively.

We don't have a Gillespie, Champagne, Watson or even a Freeman-Liberty. These guys enable their coaches to game plan around them, knowing they're going to check one box from the jump.

X has never really gotten that out of Paul, but we did with with ZFree last year......which makes what is going on with him more detrimental to getting where we want to go.

Who's going to step up and give us a string of high scoring production that can be counted on?

[xukeith]

With good ball movement and decisions, Nate Johnson is our consistent threat. Scruggs is dependable for assists and 12-16 points.

I don't know Zach at all. Nunge should have 10-13 a game. Jones, hopefully gets warmer and makes shots/3's.

[Xavier]

That win over OK St. is looking better

[XUGRAD80]

That win over OK St. is looking better

I think their (OkST) record is 10-8 now?

[xukeith]

I don't see X winning at MU. The remaining road games I see X winning are at DePaul, at SJU, at Georgetown(doubt we play ) and 1 more road win vs either SH, PU, or UConn.

9-4 in remaining games. 12-6 BE record probably gets X at 3rd or 4th in BE

[Xavier]

I think their (OkST) record is 10-8 now?

By all means, they aren’t going to be seen as a great win. Just beating the top ranked team on the road should help there metrics for the rest of the season. Q2 win for sure, maybe a Q1 since it was on the road. Regardless it certainly helps

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think their (OkST) record is 10-8 now?

9-7 with wins @ #1 Baylor and at home against #14 Texas.

Seem very inconsistent outside of losses to Oakland and Wichita St all their other losses are to good teams.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't see X winning at MU. The remaining road games I see X winning are at DePaul, at SJU, at Georgetown(doubt we play ) and 1 more road win vs either SH, PU, or UConn.

9-4 in remaining games. 12-6 BE record probably gets X at 3rd or 4th in BE

Sign me up for 12-6 right now! 12-6 is probably 2nd or 3rd place. Seton Hall already has 3 losses. Nova is going to finish first, Providence only has 1 loss but will be interesting to see how they look coming out of the long layoff and if they will be full strength.