This doesn't help

[Xuperman]

Social media dominates our world of information....this board, and others like it, are part of that info flow. Players being college age young men, tend to be creatures of social media, and I'm thinking most probably peruse this board out of curiosity or ego. If not, certainly family or friends do, and pass on what's said HERE as kinda the mood of the fan base in general.

What is being done here to Coach Steele is basically a mutant form of cancel culture. People like OTR, XVILLE, Drudy come in here and blast their negative megaphones on a relentless basis, in a way that completely shouts down any real positive discussion of our program going forward

DON'T THINK FOR A MINUTE that the crap being spewed here doesn't have consequences. Again, where would one go to get the pulse of any giving program? A "FAN" board is a pretty dang good place to start.

With the no sit out rule all but a done deal (big mistake), it makes transferring too easy...it's going to make things very unstable from here on out and much harder to build a reliable foundation.with only HS recruits. It only exacerbates the situation when a bunch of A-holes constantly beat the "fire Steele NOW" drum. Thanks A-holes.

My angry 2 cents worth.

[BandAid]

Yeah, cancel culture is related to modern politics and performative wokeism. It includes not only getting someone fired, but also doxing, boycotting, and character assassination.

Saying someone should be canned because they are incompetent at their job is not cancel culture.

[xavierj]

Social media dominates our world of information....this board, and others like it, are part of that info flow. Players being college age young men, tend to be creatures of social media, and I'm thinking most probably peruse this board out of curiosity or ego. If not, certainly family or friends do, and pass on what's said HERE as kinda the mood of the fan base in general.

What is being done here to Coach Steele is basically a form of cancel culture. People like OTR, XVILLE, Drudy come in here and blast their negative megaphones on a relentless basis, in a way that completely shouts down any real positive discussion of our program going forward

DON'T THINK FOR A MINUTE that the crap being spewed here doesn't have consequences. Again, where would one go to get the pulse of any giving program? A "FAN" board is a pretty dang good place to start.

With the no sit out rule all but a done deal (big mistake), it makes transferring too easy...it's going to make things very unstable from here on out and much harder to build a reliable foundation.with only HS recruits. It only exacerbates the situation when a bunch of A-holes constantly beat the "fire Steele NOW" drum. Thanks A-holes.

My angry 2 cents worth.

I agree with most of this. While Travis deserves a lot of criticism a lot of it on here is over the top and childish. Wish the discussion was more about what the team and coaches can improve on rather than take ignorant shots in every post. The truth is Travis isn’t going anywhere so hopefully he can get the right mix and make the right coaching moves to move the program forward. Need continuity and consistency and if not then the program is in trouble. I like Travis, seems like a good guy and I think the players like him too. I mean Kyky and now Wilcher obviously were not happy with the playing time, but I don’t think either caused any issues with attitudes and that’s a credit to them and the coaches. I just hope that next year we are all singing Travis praises and get past the constant childish name calling. If he doesn’t get it done, then fine move on, but try to support the program. It’s ok to be critical but 6th grade level is stupid.

[Xuperman]

Yeah, cancel culture is related to modern politics and performative wokeism. It includes not only getting someone fired, but also doxing, boycotting, and character assassination.

Saying someone should be canned because they are incompetent at their job is not cancel culture.

Ok, I don't want the thread to get derailed on this, so I will edit.

[whopper]

not a bad thought and of course all of the commenters are pretty knowledgeable on the subject. It just saddens me as at 65 and a recent X follower(since 2014 when my daughters started) and a hoop junkie for 50 years (still playing) I was spoiled with the Stainbrook, Trevon, JP, Kanter, years and probably watched 99% of the minutes available in Conn(even from my phone in tech support on weekends working). We want to bond with Kyky, CJ, Ramsey and are saddened when it does not work out. We need to thread the needle next year with productivity from Miles and Stanley, a couple of transfers and our good young core meshing. it will be 9 months before we have any idea and it hurts my brain to have that uncertainly. I will say that if Gillespie does not get that offensive foul call at MSG(I was there) in 2019 this would not be an issue and if Baldwin does not hit that 3 on senior day we would think we were in the non tournament in 2020 and this pressure would be a lot less. To watch Loyola play I feel like someone stole my girlfriend..they even have the slow center and a nun (they are a lot bigger school than Xavier with 16,000 students! I have no answer. Heck I bought the Spanish package summer of 2019 and thought Miles looked ready to go!

[Masterofreality]

Three years of underperformance, blatant roster mismanagement and lousy in game decisions is not cancel culture.
It is legitimate criticsm.
Know what recruits see? NCAA’s and program success. What goes on here is small potatoes.
Steele has earned the criticism. It’s up to him to fix it.
One more year. Nothing else. There is no rope left. Get it done or get out. Period.

[Blue Blooded-05]

If players/recruits are perusing this board, they are likely doing it on other team boards. Once there they’ll find the exact same chatter about their players/coach. Sadly, this is just the reality of a forum of anonymous opinions.

Just this morning, Ohio State players started posting the hate they’re receiving on social media after losing to a 15 seed yesterday. Social media monetizes a sinister part of human nature.

[xukeith]

BE happy this is not a Kentucky fan board or an Indiana fan board. Delusion and wokeness are plentiful. Why do people scream on message board and Twitter?

Posters are anonymous behind some used id.

If all posters had to use their birth name, there would be less drama and less anger. It is what it is. Venting and wokeness, will not decrease.

[Xville]

Cancel culture would be trying to cancel me for saying negative thoughts about a coach. Sorry I’m not a Pollyanna fairy dust fan like yourself and you are just fine with where the program is. 3 years of complete ineptitude followed by numerous transfers and upheaval in the program. It’s a message board and if you would like a reality check, go to other boards of big time college basketball. What I or what any others say here in a negative fashion is about a hundred times tamer than other programs. Get a grip.

Now go tell Villanova fans that we have passed them as a program and Marquette made a mistake by firing wojo.

[JTG]

Working this week as a Volunteer at the Tournament in Indy. Wed, an NCAA official, an Indy Sports Corp employee and I were working at three of the practice courts, prepping and resupplying them. Balls, towels, PowerAid etc. The NCAA guy says Where did you go to school ? Xavier, I replied. They're always in the tourney, what happened ? Covid, was my excuse, 3 stoppages derailed the season, I said. At least for the time being we are still perceived as a good program.
There are 8 practice courts in the convention center. Open from 9am to 11 pm every day. Each team gets at least and hour practice, and get an hour shoot around if they have a game next day. It's quite a site to see 8 teams practice, 8 more come in, 14 hours a day. and they are all on NCAA tournament floors, that were built last week.

[drudy23]

Yep, it’s my fault.

Another accountability apologist.

Been a fan for 40 years, first time this program doesn’t feel like Xavier. An identity built over that time is fading.

[Xavier]

I agree with the post. It’s the message boards fault the culture is bad.

[xavierj]

Yep, it’s my fault.

Another accountability apologist.

Been a fan for 40 years, first time this program doesn’t feel like Xavier. An identity built over that time is fading.

Yeah you probably felt the same way from 2011 to 2015 when they lost, 13, 14, 13 and 14 games, missed all tourneys one year, squeaked in another and got bounced in a terrible game and squeaked on a couple of other times. Then after missing the tourney one year, squeaking in the next year and then lost the best player. Things were not great. Maybe Mack was getting the same criticism but can’t remember.

[Xavier]

Yeah both Mack and Miller had similar criticism and lackluster seasons (in the A-10, too). I felt good that Miller would be fine, had concerns with Mack for much longer.

[Xville]

Yeah you probably felt the same way from 2011 to 2015 when they lost, 13, 14, 13 and 14 games, missed all tourneys one year, squeaked in another and got bounced in a terrible game and squeaked on a couple of other times. Then after missing the tourney one year, squeaking in the next year and then lost the best player. Things were not great. Maybe Mack was getting the same criticism but can’t remember.

Yeah completely the same thing. Xavier had already been to one sweet 16 in his tenure, another tournament invite and in the years you mentioned went to two more sweet 16s and missed the tourney all of once. Yeah, we should definitely make that comparison. Maybe next we can compare Steele to coach k or jay wright or any other hall of fame coach as justification for hanging onto a guy that is clearly in over his head.

[GoMuskies]

I'm not here to help.

[XU_Lou]

Social media dominates our world of information....this board, and others like it, are part of that info flow. Players being college age young men, tend to be creatures of social media, and I'm thinking most probably peruse this board out of curiosity or ego. If not, certainly family or friends do, and pass on what's said HERE as kinda the mood of the fan base in general.

What is being done here to Coach Steele is basically a mutant form of cancel culture. People like OTR, XVILLE, Drudy come in here and blast their negative megaphones on a relentless basis, in a way that completely shouts down any real positive discussion of our program going forward

DON'T THINK FOR A MINUTE that the crap being spewed here doesn't have consequences. Again, where would one go to get the pulse of any giving program? A "FAN" board is a pretty dang good place to start.

With the no sit out rule all but a done deal (big mistake), it makes transferring too easy...it's going to make things very unstable from here on out and much harder to build a reliable foundation.with only HS recruits. It only exacerbates the situation when a bunch of A-holes constantly beat the "fire Steele NOW" drum. Thanks A-holes.

My angry 2 cents worth.

You are completely 100% correct! There's a fine line between legitimate criticism and character assassination. There are a few on this board that have crossed that line - not only with Steele, but also with Jason Carter. The attacks have gone from critical to personal in many, many instances. There were many times over the past few weeks when I couldn't tell the difference between passionate fans and a lynch mob. There is no way any of this can ever be helpful to the program as a whole.

[UCGRAD4X]

Social media dominates our world of information....this board, and others like it, are part of that info flow. Players being college age young men, tend to be creatures of social media, and I'm thinking most probably peruse this board out of curiosity or ego. If not, certainly family or friends do, and pass on what's said HERE as kinda the mood of the fan base in general.

What is being done here to Coach Steele is basically a mutant form of cancel culture. People like OTR, XVILLE, Drudy come in here and blast their negative megaphones on a relentless basis, in a way that completely shouts down any real positive discussion of our program going forward

DON'T THINK FOR A MINUTE that the crap being spewed here doesn't have consequences. Again, where would one go to get the pulse of any giving program? A "FAN" board is a pretty dang good place to start.

With the no sit out rule all but a done deal (big mistake), it makes transferring too easy...it's going to make things very unstable from here on out and much harder to build a reliable foundation.with only HS recruits. It only exacerbates the situation when a bunch of A-holes constantly beat the "fire Steele NOW" drum. Thanks A-holes.

My angry 2 cents worth.


You are completely 100% correct! There's a fine line between legitimate criticism and character assassination. There are a few on this board that have crossed that line - not only with Steele, but also with Jason Carter. The attacks have gone from critical to personal in many, many instances. There were many times over the past few weeks when I couldn't tell the difference between passionate fans and a lynch mob. There is no way any of this can ever be helpful to the program as a whole.

Like this?

[drudy23]

Yeah you probably felt the same way from 2011 to 2015 when they lost, 13, 14, 13 and 14 games, missed all tourneys one year, squeaked in another and got bounced in a terrible game and squeaked on a couple of other times. Then after missing the tourney one year, squeaking in the next year and then lost the best player. Things were not great. Maybe Mack was getting the same criticism but can’t remember.

No, not really

[XUGRAD80]

I’ve always tried to give players and coaches the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their character and personal lives. IMO personal lives are off-limits and should only be mentioned when they effect the players ability to perform on the court. I know that when I was a young man that I did some things that I’m not proud of today. While wearing a Xavier uniform I always tried to conduct myself with modesty, pride, and control. But that wasn’t always the case out of uniform and during the off-season, I’m not happy or proud to say. I’m extremely happy that there was not the social media back then, that there is today. Nor did I always perform to my best. There were times I got my butt kicked. However, I can say that I did far more butt kicking, than I did getting my butt kicked. For that reason and others, I tend to judge a coach and player more on effort and improvement, than I do on wins and loses. Xavier has had many players that showed great improvement through their time there. However, they have had some that never reached their potential or even seems to regress. When I see a lack of effort, repetition of the same mistakes over and over, and lack of improvement in a players game, I will probably comment on that. When I see a team get worse as a season goes on, or lacking the ability to finish a season strong, I don’t feel it is unjust to place that on the coach and/or coaching staff. Not on them as people, but them as players or coaches.

Every program and every player goes through this. It’s not unique to X.

[GOX]

Message Boards always turn critical when teams don’t win. And the criticism is usually divided between bad coaching and player disappointment. With the advent of the transfer portal and the yearly reconstruction of the roster there will be another element to criticize. There will be few “perennial “ wining teams since no coach will be able to satisfy all of his players all of the time and they will leave. The instability will make it more interesting since each season will be a crapshoot . But the message Boards will be full throttle with second guessing and disappointment . That’s life.

[xu82]

I agree with most of this. While Travis deserves a lot of criticism a lot of it on here is over the top and childish. Wish the discussion was more about what the team and coaches can improve on rather than take ignorant shots in every post. The truth is Travis isn’t going anywhere so hopefully he can get the right mix and make the right coaching moves to move the program forward. Need continuity and consistency and if not then the program is in trouble. I like Travis, seems like a good guy and I think the players like him too. I mean Kyky and now Wilcher obviously were not happy with the playing time, but I don’t think either caused any issues with attitudes and that’s a credit to them and the coaches. I just hope that next year we are all singing Travis praises and get past the constant childish name calling. If he doesn’t get it done, then fine move on, but try to support the program. It’s ok to be critical but 6th grade level is stupid.

This saved me a lot of typing!

[markchal]

A- anyone that sends mean tweets to a college kid is dumb, that caveat must be made clear.

B-this is also such a dumb thread.

This is a message board for passionate Xavier fans. 99 percent of the people posting here want nothing more than for the program to succeed. Everyone would've loved nothing more than the Creighton win to spark a run, and for Steele to reap the benefit of the doubt that would bring.

We've missed the tournament for three straight seasons for the first time in decades, criticism is warranted and fair. Even Travis said he wouldn't want to be here if there weren't high standards. Just because you aren't an unrelenting apologist doesn't make you toxic.

Part of the reason we have a great fanbase and a typically sold-out Cintas Center is because the program has been so successful. You want fans that feel invested in the program's success, and are proud to rep it wherever they go.

Honestly, we'd be in a lot more trouble if we hit a bad stretch and no one cared.

[xuphan]

This saved me a lot of typing!

Some of the comments have been disappointing to say the least as they have personally attacked the coach and players. Will never make a Twitter account for this reason. However, a vast majority of them have been aimed at the man in charge of a now mediocre program. The criticism about his coaching style, in game adjustments, end of year collapses, playing favorites with players and not being able to keep a consistent nucleus of talent at Xavier does warrant criticism. That is what a message board is for. It is for fans to vent their frustration with the current direction of the program.

[xukeith]

I am as Polyannish as possible. I am not a fan of reading lots of anger and negativity.

With that said, I am now having some serious doubts about the likelihood of next season being better than 2021.

I hope I am wrong but I just don't see solid basketball coming out of the returning players. 3 years of Steele magic doesn't help either.

[Strange Brew]

I agree with most of this. While Travis deserves a lot of criticism a lot of it on here is over the top and childish.

Nah uh, you’re childish....

[SM#24]

Three years of underperformance, blatant roster mismanagement and lousy in game decisions is not cancel culture.
It is legitimate criticsm.
Know what recruits see? NCAA’s and program success. What goes on here is small potatoes.
Steele has earned the criticism. It’s up to him to fix it.
One more year. Nothing else. There is no rope left. Get it done or get out. Period.

How did you avoid getting called out in the original post ?
"One more year." - I think most people are in line with this thinking. Xup, you think this is bad, there is going to be some high level shit when we crap the bed next year and Travis is not fired.

[IM4X]

At X... the standard is the standard.

That goes for how well the team does and how classy we are as fans.

I have always been proud of both for many years. I do think the internet (including social media sites and message boards) has more recently teased us into writing remarks we might normally not be saying out loud to the public. Remarks we might just be thinking about or chatting about privately with our buddies. Not having our real name attached to your words does allow everyone to feel a little less careful about what we are write/say. That ends up not always being a good thing. I certainly have at times posted thoughts in the heat of the moment that I might not have posted or at least that I would have tweaked a bit more before posting.

It would indeed probably be a good thing for us all to be a little more mindful of what we write- and try to stick to posting constructive/ productive (even positive) thoughts and factual information most often. That’s not to say we can’t be critical about what isn’t working well- just that we handle it with Xavier class- in a way that allows us to let out our personal frustrations about a particular situation by offering thoughts that are more solution oriented.

I am certainly not perfect. I’ve written some things I have later reflected upon, wondering if I should have worded it slightly different-more promising and less harsh. I do try to think about the Golden Rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Or in our case, say/write about others as we would be okay having others say/write about us. Is what we are writing about Travis, Jason or any other person (including other posters) something that we would feel is hurtful if we read it about ourselves? If so, then we ought probably think about how to change the thought to be stated in a way that is still getting our point across without being quite so mean spirited or damaging to a person mentally or professionally.

Jason Carter may be the nicest guy on the team for all I know. He has been brought up in many posts (even by me) out of frustration with the way he was being used in games and how that “way of using him” was not often working out so well for him or the team. Carter has shined at times, but he has also been put into situations where he has become a weak link and an easy this target for criticism. I don’t think anyone really wants to bash Jason (at least I hope not), but it is understandable how fans can grow increasingly frustrated when adjustments aren’t made and it is easy to see how that frustration can start to shift from productive criticism to downright unintentional meanness. We all should have the right to say what they want, but we also ought to keep in mind how “what we say” and “how we say it” mighty affect the those individuals we are talking about.

If we all truly want Xavier to continue to elevate the basketball program, the university and the Xavier community then we all need to improve. That starts with firing this lame ass coach we have... just kidding... It starts with us all being a bit more supportive (or at least less mean spirited) towards our coach -who still might surprise us - even if we feel it is in his best interest and the school’s best interest if we nudge him to grow more by challenging him to question and tweak each strategy and processes he is currently using that isn’t producing excellent results- until he perfects those strategies and processes and those excellent results are seen.

[XUBison]

So here’s the deal OTR, XVILLE, and DRUDY, we’re going to need you three assholes to tamp down your rhetoric. You see assholes, your childish outbursts are the reason we are bad, our players are leaving, and why prospective recruits will not want to come here. It is not fair to Coach Steele, nor are the personal attacks you three assholes routinely levy against Coach and his players. Moreover assholes, we do not appreciate cancel culture, so we will need you to immediately cease and desist any future expression of your ignorant opinions. Oh, and go f**k yourselves, assholes.

[xu82]

Sometimes it’s not just what you do, but how you do it. The “Fire The Coach” threads that appear instantly after every loss are childish, annoying and non-productive. Discussing things that could be done better is always fair game, if done in a reasonable way, IMO. That’s just the way I see it.

[UCGRAD4X]

Nah uh, you’re childish....

You're more childisher.

[UCGRAD4X]

You're more childisher.

...and you're a butt.

[xudash]

At X... the standard is the standard.

That goes for how well the team does and how classy we are as fans.

I have always been proud of both for many years. I do think the internet (including social media sites and message boards) has more recently teased us into writing remarks we might normally not be saying out loud to the public. Remarks we might just be thinking about or chatting about privately with our buddies. Not having our real name attached to your words does allow everyone to feel a little less careful about what we are write/say. That ends up not always being a good thing. I certainly have at times posted thoughts in the heat of the moment that I might not have posted or at least that I would have tweaked a bit more before posting.

It would indeed probably be a good thing for us all to be a little more mindful of what we write- and try to stick to posting constructive/ productive (even positive) thoughts and factual information most often. That’s not to say we can’t be critical about what isn’t working well- just that we handle it with Xavier class- in a way that allows us to let out our personal frustrations about a particular situation by offering thoughts that are more solution oriented.

I am certainly not perfect. I’ve written some things I have later reflected upon, wondering if I should have worded it slightly different-more promising and less harsh. I do try to think about the Golden Rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Or in our case, say/write about others as we would be okay having others say/write about us. Is what we are writing about Travis, Jason or any other person (including other posters) something that we would feel is hurtful if we read it about ourselves? If so, then we ought probably think about how to change the thought to be stated in a way that is still getting our point across without being quite so mean spirited or demagog to a person mentally or professionally.

Jason Carter may be the nicest guy on the team for all I know. He has been brought up in many posts (even by me) out of frustration with the way he was being used in games and how that “way of using him” was not often working out so well for him or the team. Carter has shined at times, but he has also been put into situations where he has become a weak link and an easy this target for criticism. I don’t think anyone really wants to bash Jason (at least I hope not), but it is understandable how fans can grow increasingly frustrated when adjustments aren’t made and it is easy to see how that frustration can start to shift from productive criticism to downright unintentional meanness. We all should have the right to say what they want, but we also ought to keep in mind how “what we say” and “how we say it” mighty affect the those individuals we are talking about.

If we all truly want Xavier to continue to elevate the basketball program, the university and the Xavier community then we all need to improve. That starts with firing this lame ass coach we have... just kidding... It starts with us all being a bit more supportive (or at least leads mean spirited) towards our coach -who still might surprise us - even if we feel it is in his best interest and the schools best interest if we nudging him to grow more by challenging him to question and tweak each strategy and processes he is currently using that isn’t producing excellent results- until he perfects those strategies and processes and those excellent results are seen.

Excellent post.

If you consider it one person’s opinion, then fine, but I don’t believe something has been stressed enough here, so here you go: XAVIER’s PROGRAM IS NO WHERE NEAR FALLING OVER THE CLIFF.

Travis has a long hill to climb, but he obviously is going to be given at least one more season to establish himself as a viable coach for Xavier University. If he makes it, then good for him and good for us. Believe me, “making it“ means competing for BE championships, earning virtually annual NCAA bids, and making occasional deep NCAA runs, including the F4 and eventually a national championship.

However, what if he does not make it? Does anyone here honestly believe that the head coaching position at Xavier will not attract serious candidate for the job? Before some of you look for a way to go down the negative road about this, please allow me to suggest that you throw out the process that led to Travis winning the job. If there is a next time around, there will be no assistant with nine years of experience in the second chair up for consideration for it.

By the way, if you truly believe that administrative support for Xavier‘s basketball program is slipping or has in someway been ratcheted back, I don’t know what to tell you. Well, I will tell you that that is insanity.

Seriously, on another very important note here, we are all looking for clarity around our situation. If the glass is half full, then we have very good news: assuming next year is a “normal“ year in college basketball, and knowing the Travis will be in his fourth year, he is absolutely going to have to demonstrate that he deserves additional time. Short leash. No wiggle room. Call it what you want, but I have to believe that he knows that a late season meltdown with no NCAAT invitation isn’t going to work.

[xu82]

At X... the standard is the standard.

That goes for how well the team does and how classy we are as fans.

I have always been proud of both for many years. I do think the internet (including social media sites and message boards) has more recently teased us into writing remarks we might normally not be saying out loud to the public. Remarks we might just be thinking about or chatting about privately with our buddies. Not having our real name attached to your words does allow everyone to feel a little less careful about what we are write/say. That ends up not always being a good thing. I certainly have at times posted thoughts in the heat of the moment that I might not have posted or at least that I would have tweaked a bit more before posting.

It would indeed probably be a good thing for us all to be a little more mindful of what we write- and try to stick to posting constructive/ productive (even positive) thoughts and factual information most often. That’s not to say we can’t be critical about what isn’t working well- just that we handle it with Xavier class- in a way that allows us to let out our personal frustrations about a particular situation by offering thoughts that are more solution oriented.

I am certainly not perfect. I’ve written some things I have later reflected upon, wondering if I should have worded it slightly different-more promising and less harsh. I do try to think about the Golden Rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Or in our case, say/write about others as we would be okay having others say/write about us. Is what we are writing about Travis, Jason or any other person (including other posters) something that we would feel is hurtful if we read it about ourselves? If so, then we ought probably think about how to change the thought to be stated in a way that is still getting our point across without being quite so mean spirited or demagog to a person mentally or professionally.

Jason Carter may be the nicest guy on the team for all I know. He has been brought up in many posts (even by me) out of frustration with the way he was being used in games and how that “way of using him” was not often working out so well for him or the team. Carter has shined at times, but he has also been put into situations where he has become a weak link and an easy this target for criticism. I don’t think anyone really wants to bash Jason (at least I hope not), but it is understandable how fans can grow increasingly frustrated when adjustments aren’t made and it is easy to see how that frustration can start to shift from productive criticism to downright unintentional meanness. We all should have the right to say what they want, but we also ought to keep in mind how “what we say” and “how we say it” mighty affect the those individuals we are talking about.

If we all truly want Xavier to continue to elevate the basketball program, the university and the Xavier community then we all need to improve. That starts with firing this lame ass coach we have... just kidding... It starts with us all being a bit more supportive (or at least leads mean spirited) towards our coach -who still might surprise us - even if we feel it is in his best interest and the schools best interest if we nudging him to grow more by challenging him to question and tweak each strategy and processes he is currently using that isn’t producing excellent results- until he perfects those strategies and processes and those excellent results are seen.


Very well said. That was worth repeating! (Again.)

[xu82]

You're more childisher.

I want to play, you big baby! !

[drudy23]

It's a message board. The posts reflect the reality.

Anyone that posts directly at a kid on here or Twitter @ anyone is a douche. That's different than providing an honest assessment of their play in a game and providing a basketball related opinion on a message board. Same with the coach.

I don't see many, if any, on here who are personally attacking the coach or the players. Critiquing? Yes - but what else would we discuss if it's not the performance of the team?

The people that provide the criticism are usually also the ones that call out and appreciate the good things when they're going well.

[xu82]

It's a message board. The posts reflect the reality.

Anyone that posts directly at a kid on here or Twitter @ anyone is a douche. That's different than providing an honest assessment of their play in a game and providing a basketball related opinion on a message board. Same with the coach.

I don't see many, if any, on here who are personally attacking the coach or the players. Critiquing? Yes - but what else would we discuss if it's not the performance of the team?

The people that provide the criticism are usually also the ones that call out and appreciate the good things when they're going well.

The posts also reflect the posters.

You know the truth is somewhere short of what you are claiming. Starting a “Fire Steele” thread immediately after almost every loss is not “critiquing”. It’s BS and childish and non-productive and it goes too far, IMO. You will never convince me that is productive or constructive. A legitimate critique is what I would hope to find here. I get that people want to vent, but they often cross a line. I hope for more from the Xavier family, but am often disappointed.

I freely admit I am a glass half full guy. I’d rather be patient and positive and find a way to get things right. I think that gets better results in the long run in many aspects of life. There is no guarantee the next regime will fix everything and get us to the promised land, so I want the current group to get every opportunity to grow into the job and prove themselves. Being overly positive seems like a better way of living than being overly negative. Being negative doesn’t help.


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[drudy23]

The posts also reflect the posters.

You know the truth is somewhere short of what you are claiming. Starting a “Fire Steele” thread immediately after almost every loss is not “critiquing”. It’s BS and childish and non-productive and it goes too far, IMO. You will never convince me that is productive or constructive. A legitimate critique is what I would hope to find here. I get that people want to vent, but often cross a line. I hope for more from the Xavier family, but am often disappointed.

I freely admit I am a glass half full guy. I’d rather be patient and positive and find a way to get things right. I think that gets better results in the long run in many aspects of life. There is no guarantee the next regime will fix everything and get us to the promised land, so I want the current group to get every opportunity to grow into the job and prove themselves. Being overly positive seems like a better way of living than being overly negative. Being negative doesn’t help.


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I'm pretty sure those threads are usually made in jest because it's kind of like an annual tradition. I know the first time it showed up this year it was kind of a joke.

But towards the end of the year when the performance brought his job security into question, I don't see an issue with it as a discussion point for fans. Let's not act like a large part of the fan base wouldn't mind moving in a different direction. Should we just ignore that reality, or any reality when it may be uncomfortable?

As I said, there are very few posts here that directly involve personal attacks on players or coaches.

[xu82]

I'm pretty sure those threads are usually made in jest because it's kind of like an annual tradition. I know the first time it showed up this year it was kind of a joke.

But towards the end of the year when the performance brought his job security into question, I don't see an issue with it as a discussion point for fans. Let's not act like a large part of the fan base wouldn't mind moving in a different direction. Should we just ignore that reality, or any reality when it may be uncomfortable?

As I said, there are very few posts here that directly involve personal attacks on players or coaches.

I just know what I read. Same as anyone else checking on our board, including recruits and their families. See thread title: This doesn’t help.

And it’s not even remotely funny.

[drudy23]

I just know what I read. Same as anyone else checking on our board, including recruits and their families. See thread title: This doesn’t help.

And it’s not even remotely funny.

It may have even been initially created after a game we won.

It was kinda funny.

How much does missing tournaments, losing a bunch of players, and your coach being on the hot seat impact what recruits think? Of the 100 things that matter, message board etiquite is 101. Let's get a little bit of a grip here.

[Strange Brew]

It may have even been initially created after a game we won.

It was kinda funny.

How much does missing tournaments, losing a bunch of players, and your coach being on the hot seat impact what recruits think? Of the 100 things that matter, message board etiquite is 101. Let's get a little bit of a grip here.

It don’t Matta. It’s Miller time!

Oops wrong year...

[boozehound]

I actually think this board has been pretty tame. Some of the piling on Carter is maybe a bit harsh, but criticism of a coach is reasonable IMO. Those guys get paid a lot of money, they can deal with some guys on the internet bitching about them not doing their job. People pretty much always refrain from personal attacks on players.

All these people are going to root for Steele and the team next year, even if they don’t think he is the right guy. Then we will all complain when he loses.

And yeah - if you are on Twitter getting into it with players, you are a pathetic scumbag.

[xu82]

It may have even been initially created after a game we won.

It was kinda funny.

How much does missing tournaments, losing a bunch of players, and your coach being on the hot seat impact what recruits think? Of the 100 things that matter, message board etiquite is 101. Let's get a little bit of a grip here.

You have now changed the topic. I’m not biting.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Dumbest thread of the year. Message boards are created to talk to other Xavier fans that you don’t get to meet and do what fans do! “Criticize, praise and be over the top. Steele sucks, he is awful and I hope he does see this. I’m not saying anything he doesn’t already know. I’m not threatening his life or his family. Cancel culture is destroying this country. YOU SUCK STEELE!

[American X]

Travis Steele tries to order vegan at Skyline.

[xu82]

Travis Steele tries to order vegan at Skyline.

OK, THAT is funny!

[Masterofreality]

Travis Steele tries to order vegan at Skyline.

Public Props since the Man is masking me!

[Mrs. Garrett]

The disarray this program is in has nothing to do with a message board. It is reflection of the leadership.

KyKy left because he was recruited over twice and both those players are coming back. Sadly, he has the most potential of the 3.

Wilcher left for similar reasons. He played well when he actually saw floor and probably was frustrated that certain players who didn't produce saw it more.

Between school and practice, I doubt players are spending much time analyzing this board.

[drudy23]

The disarray this program is in has nothing to do with a message board. It is reflection of the leadership.

KyKy left because he was recruited over twice and both those players are coming back. Sadly, he has the most potential of the 3.

Wilcher left for similar reasons. He played well when he actually saw floor and probably was frustrated that certain players who didn't produce saw it more.

Between school and practice, I doubt players are spending much time analyzing this board.

This.

[IM4X]

The disarray this program is in has nothing to do with a message board. It is reflection of the leadership.

KyKy left because he was recruited over twice and both those players are coming back. Sadly, he has the most potential of the 3.

Wilcher left for similar reasons. He played well when he actually saw floor and probably was frustrated that certain players who didn't produce saw it more.

Between school and practice, I doubt players are spending much time analyzing this board.


I guess, Mrs. Garrett, you’d call those the “The Facts of Life.”

Though I have zero problem with the minutes Nate Johnson got. Kyky should defiantly have been given more minutes- but something tells me there was more going on with the situation between Steele and Kyky.

[nuts4xu]

If message boards like this were responsible for what ails the program and is causing players to transfer, it would be an easy fix. Shut down the board, and you stop the transfers. That is a very myopic view on the world.

I have heard this same complaint this and other message boards for the past 10+ years. You think this is bad, I suggest you peruse the Twitter after a loss.

Some folks go over the top with their criticism but I have also seen the love shown to recruits, players, and coaches just as over the top. Wilcher, Ramsey, and Tandy are all seeking more playing time. They have the luxury this season to make a change without the penalty of sitting out. Of all the offseasons I have witnessed, this is likely the least likely year to blame the internet for kids changing their minds....especially when discussing the transfers out of Xavier's program.

[GoMuskies]

If messageboards caused kids to transfer, Kentucky would be absolute shit.....huh, may Xup is on to something here!

No, he's not.