Transfer Portal

[xuphan]

Might as well start this thread since it looks like Steele will be swimming in the transfer portal trying to find those gems to get himself to his first NCAA tournament as a head coach.

The first gem that Steele is after is Parker Fox. Parker is a 6’8 DII stud out of the basketball powerhouse of Northern State University. He averaged 22 ppg, 9 rebounds a game, 25% from 3 and 50% from the free throw line.

[MHettel]

Might as well start this thread since it looks like Steele will be swimming in the transfer portal trying to find those gems to get himself to his first NCAA tournament as a head coach.

The first gem that Steele is after is Parker Fox. Parker is a 6’8 DII stud out of the basketball powerhouse of Northern State University. He averaged 22 ppg, 9 rebounds a game, 25% from 3 and 50% from the free throw line.

I feel like someday I'm going to yearn for the "Carter Years"

[Xville]

Might as well start this thread since it looks like Steele will be swimming in the transfer portal trying to find those gems to get himself to his first NCAA tournament as a head coach.

The first gem that Steele is after is Parker Fox. Parker is a 6’8 DII stud out of the basketball powerhouse of Northern State University. He averaged 22 ppg, 9 rebounds a game, 25% from 3 and 50% from the free throw line.

I sincerely hope most of this is a complete joke. We already know Steele is. Figures though...steele loves him some unathletic white guys.

[xuphan]

I sincerely hope most of this is a complete joke. We already know Steele is. Figures though...steele loves him some unathletic white guys.

Parker does have some hops as his highlight tapes on YouTube show him mostly dunking the ball. Not sure the level of competition he faced in DII will translate into Big East basketball.

[bobbiemcgee]

Parker does have some hops as his highlight tapes on YouTube show him mostly dunking the ball. Not sure the level of competition he faced in DII will translate into Big East basketball.

If that's the case, Steele will surely sign him.

[XUGRAD80]

X is involved with bigs from G. Washington, Pitt, and Penn. State as well.

[drudy23]

It feels like we’ve turned into a 2nd rate program overnight.

[IM4X]

Wow. Two of the five highest rated guards in the transfer portal (at least in terms of their rankings as recruits) are from X.

That does not look good for the coach no matter what the circumstances were.


https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Basketball/TransferPortal/

[JTG]

X is involved with bigs from G. Washington, Pitt, and Penn. State as well.

Butler seems to have the inside track on the GW guy. In fact, Butler is the GW of the Midwest. This guy would be the third or fourth GW transfer to go to Butler in the last 5 years. Don't know about the Pitt or Penn State guys' leanings. I just know we need a big for the games where we get pushed around underneath. If nothing else we need a guy to accumulate the 5 fouls Freemantle would collect trying to play post defense. That's a big part of why he's bad down low. He knows he's foul prone, and he knows the team will suffer on the offensive end if he has to sit, so he plays a timid brand of defense.That, and the fact our assistants are a bunch of effing morons who can't teach defense, or instill that defense is 80% "want to".

[paulxu]

Not a lot of 5's in the portal.

[xavierj]

Not a lot of 5's in the portal.

Not yet but there will be about 2,000 to 3,000 kids in the portal before all said and done.

[xavierj]

I think Xavier might be looking at this guy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JTMBasketball/status/1372724990932619266

http://jtmbasketball.blogspot.com/2021/01/scouring-nation-part-2-ej-onu.html?m=1

[XUGRAD80]

Not a lot of 5's in the portal.

The 24/7 site is very lacking in information on transfers.

Here’s a much better site..... https://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2021

[UCGRAD4X]

The 24/7 site is very lacking in information on transfers.

Here’s a much better site..... https://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2021

Yeah. I only see one 5* and he is a SG.

[XUGRAD80]

Yeah. I only see one 5* and he is a SG.

I think that Paul was commenting on the lack of centers listed on the 24/7 site, and not the lack of 5* players. There are a lot of centers listed on VC, and VC almost never rates a player as a 5*. I’ve seen a few 4.7, but only a couple of 5 over severe years.

[paulxu]

Yes, centers.

[OTRMUSKIE]

If we get another D2 player I’m gonna puke. I don’t care how good they are at D2. Since when did we need to go the D2 route? Good news is, this disaster of a program will be put out of their misery next year. Hopefully, coaches like Loyola coach and Pat Kelsey stay out for one more year. There will be a job opening at X very soon. I would also assume Creighton will part ways after Doug’s dad flips out of the first round again. Plus he apparently is for slavery still.

[xavierj]

If we get another D2 player I’m gonna puke. I don’t care how good they are at D2. Since when did we need to go the D2 route? Good news is, this disaster of a program will be put out of their misery next year. Hopefully, coaches like Loyola coach and Pat Kelsey stay out for one more year. There will be a job opening at X very soon. I would also assume Creighton will part ways after Doug’s dad flips out of the first round again. Plus he apparently is for slavery still.

You don’t think Hankins was a pretty good pick up? There are a lot of D1 guys that shouldn’t be in D1 and a lot in D2 that could play D1. There are a NBA guys that came out of D2 programs. Max Struss was not bad either and is in the NBA right now. I don’t care where they come from as long as they can play.

[xuphan]

You don’t think Hankins was a pretty good pick up? There are a lot of D1 guys that shouldn’t be in D1 and a lot in D2 that could play D1. There are a NBA guys that came out of D2 programs. Max Struss was not bad either and is in the NBA right now. I don’t care where they come from as long as they can play.

I do think it is a big jump for a DII guy to make an impact in the the Big East conference. Level of competition is way different in all aspects. Hankins to me was different because it was Steele’s first recruiting class and he needed bodies.

[xavierj]

I do think it is a big jump for a DII guy to make an impact in the the Big East conference. Level of competition is way different in all aspects. Hankins to me was different because it was Steele’s first recruiting class and he needed bodies.

You don’t think Max Struss handled the big east? I do. Look I am not saying that they should be recruiting D2 players but you should leave no stone unturned.

[paulxu]

Tre Mitchell leaving UMass looks like someone we could use.

[xuphan]

You don’t think Max Struss handled the big east? I do. Look I am not saying that they should be recruiting D2 players but you should leave no stone unturned.

Max Strus? Did he shoot 25% from 3 and 50% from the foul line in DII like Parker Fox? This is a make or break year coming up for Steele and he needs all of his transfers coming in to make an impact at the Big East level. I worry for him if we are going after 6’7 power forwards who shoot 25% from 3 and 50% from the foul line to make the type of impact we need them to make in the Big East.

[xavierj]

Max Strus? Did he shoot 25% from 3 and 50% from the foul line in DII like Parker Fox? This is a make or break year coming up for Steele and he needs all of his transfers coming in to make an impact at the Big East level. I worry for him if we are going after 6’7 power forwards who shoot 25% from 3 and 50% from the foul line to make the type of impact we need them to make in the Big East.

Parker Fox? Not sure about him. Have never seen him. I did see they were looking at athletic 6’11” 240 shot blocker from an NAIA school that is shooting like 46% from three this year. . That might be a guy you take a flyer on. If he can play and help great, if not no big deal.

[xuphan]

Parker Fox? Not sure about him. Have never seen him. I did see they were looking at athletic 6’11” 240 shot blocker from an NAIA school that is shooting like 46% from three this year. . That might be a guy you take a flyer on. If he can play and help great, if not no big deal.

I have to disagree with your last sentence. We already have Miles on the roster who is a big and is not playing. I don’t think we can afford another big not being able to contribute to the team unless we are using all 13 scholarships. The prospect you mentioned does sound intriguing. Are there any videos on him?

[xavierj]

I have to disagree with your last sentence. We already have Miles on the roster who is a big and is not playing. I don’t think we can afford another big not being able to contribute to the team unless we are using all 13 scholarships. The prospect you mentioned does sound intriguing. Are there any videos on him?

Found this from last year. I guess in the NAIA sweet and 16 he has 29, 10 and 10 blocks the other day.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShawneeStateMBB/status/1250993586637864966

[xuphan]

Found this from last year. I guess in the NAIA sweet and 16 he has 29, 10 and 10 blocks the other day.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShawneeStateMBB/status/1250993586637864966

I found this scouting info on him.

All in all, EJ Onu is a remarkable late bloomer at the NAIA level, who could develop into a legitimate NBA player with the proper weight training regiment, G League coaching, and skill training. Onu has only been playing basketball since he was 14 years old. But, he has improved dramatically from his freshman season, where he was scoring under 10ppg (and shooting 25% from 3pt range). Look for him to continue to make strides at a higher level of play, with the potential to develop into a rotation player down the road. His physical gifts coupled with his unique skillset make EJ Onu truly unique at this level of play.

[xavierj]

I found this scouting info on him.

All in all, EJ Onu is a remarkable late bloomer at the NAIA level, who could develop into a legitimate NBA player with the proper weight training regiment, G League coaching, and skill training. Onu has only been playing basketball since he was 14 years old. But, he has improved dramatically from his freshman season, where he was scoring under 10ppg (and shooting 25% from 3pt range). Look for him to continue to make strides at a higher level of play, with the potential to develop into a rotation player down the road. His physical gifts coupled with his unique skillset make EJ Onu truly unique at this level of play.

Probably some smoke with this guy. Xavier’s entire coaching staff is following him as well as the basketball site.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MidSouthSports/status/1372730080611471360

[IM4X]

You don’t think Hankins was a pretty good pick up? There are a lot of D1 guys that shouldn’t be in D1 and a lot in D2 that could play D1. There are a NBA guys that came out of D2 programs. Max Struss was not bad either and is in the NBA right now. I don’t care where they come from as long as they can play.

Hankins was an amazing find, though I do believe I remember hearing he was hurt his junior (or maybe his senior year) which played into him not receiving offers from several of the D1 schools who had originally shown interest.

[xuphan]

Hankins was an amazing find, though I do believe I remember hearing he was hurt his junior (or maybe his senior year) which played into him not receiving offers from several of the D1 schools who had originally shown interest.

Former Georgia 5 star big man Walker Kessler is transferring from UNC. I know we were recruiting him at some point. Go get him Coach Hayes!

[markchal]

He'll almost certainly end up at Gonzaga but maybe the Georgia connection and our obvious hole is enough of a draw? I mean he could start here day 1.

[xuphan]

He'll almost certainly end up at Gonzaga but maybe the Georgia connection and our obvious hole is enough of a draw? I mean he could start here day 1.

He definitely will have a lot of options but with already recruiting him and the Coach Hayes ties, Steele needs to sell the farm to get this kid here. Time to use that “great recruiter label” and bring in a big fish to get this team/program dancing next year. You are right, he should be a starter from day 1 if he comes to this program.

[drudy23]

He definitely will have a lot of options but with already recruiting him and the Coach Hayes ties, Steele needs to sell the farm to get this kid here. Time to use that “great recruiter label” and bring in a big fish to get this team/program dancing next year. You are right, he should be a starter from day 1 if he comes to this program.

Now this is a plan I can get behind.

[IM4X]

Former Georgia 5 star big man Walker Kessler is transferring from UNC. I know we were recruiting him at some point. Go get him Coach Hayes!

Absolutely! Have the coaches and players reach out to him and reel him in.

[Xville]

I'm sure with all the blue bloods that will be after him, he will surely be looking to "slum it" and play at Xavier.

[BandAid]

Never hurts to dream, but I'm not holding my breath

[xavierj]

Jonas is following him so obviously will try.

[xuphan]

Now this is a plan I can get behind.

New name: Xavier has reached out to BC transfer CJ Felder. He is a 6’7 SF who averaged 10 points and 6 rebounds per game last season.

[Xville]

New name: Xavier has reached out to BC transfer CJ Felder. He is a 6’7 SF who averaged 10 points and 6 rebounds per game last season.

6’7 230... good size. He a little bit of a banger or what’s his game? Doesn’t seem like a great outside shooter so maybe a slasher, inside guy?

[xuphan]

6’7 230... good size. He a little bit of a banger or what’s his game? Doesn’t seem like a great outside shooter so maybe a slasher, inside guy?

Seems like a slasher who can finish with contact from the videos I have seen on him. Stats say he shot 31% from 3 but he would rather slash to the basket instead of shoot the 3. Not sure how he fits with what Steele is looking for in his offense as he is not a shooter.

[XUGRAD80]

6’7 230... good size. He a little bit of a banger or what’s his game? Doesn’t seem like a great outside shooter so maybe a slasher, inside guy?

Steele has admitted that they need to get bigger and stronger. That individual players need to, and that they need to add more of that type of player to the roster. So I don’t expect them to being in more scoring, but to bring in more of that type of player. More in the way of traditional inside grinders that can hold their own on the boards against the type of players that others in the BE have playing down low. Xavier got bullied last year. They got pushed around. That never used to happen. If it continues they probably will continue to disappoint everyone too.

[Xville]

Steele has admitted that they need to get bigger and stronger. That individual players need to, and that they need to add more of that type of player to the roster. So I don’t expect them to being in more scoring, but to bring in more of that type of player. More in the way of traditional inside grinders that can hold their own on the boards against the type of players that others in the BE have playing down low. Xavier got bullied last year. They got pushed around. That never used to happen. If it continues they probably will continue to disappoint everyone too.

Yeah that’s what I’m hoping...that’s why I was asking...would make no sense to me to bring in more skinny shooters so I was glad to see his size and presumed skill set.

[XUGRAD80]

Yeah that’s what I’m hoping...that’s why I was asking...would make no sense to me to bring in more skinny shooters so I was glad to see his size and presumed skill set.

Yeah, seems some get to caught up on a players offensive numbers and forget the rest. I didn’t think that offense was the crux of the problem the last couple of years. If there was an offensive problem, it was the lack of inside scoring. If there is a shooting problem, it lies only in its inconsistency. And when that shooting goes cold they need an inside presence to throw the ball too. More importantly though, they need someone that can rebound. Offensively when they miss, and defensively in order to prevent the other team from getting easy stick backs. X can not rely on 6’4”-6’5” players to do that for them, no matter how bulked up they are. Charles Barkley isn’t walking through the door and out onto the floor for the Muskies. They need some legitimate 6-10 and up players that like to mix it up down low, much more than they do some hot shooting wings or guards who can’t do anything beyond loft up shots from beyond the arc.

To go old school.....they need a Moses Malone more than they do a Reggie Miller.

[IM4X]

Yeah, seems some get to caught up on a players offensive numbers and forget the rest. I didn’t think that offense was the crux of the problem the last couple of years. If there was an offensive problem, it was the lack of inside scoring. If there is a shooting problem, it lies only in its inconsistency. And when that shooting goes cold they need an inside presence to throw the ball too. More importantly though, they need someone that can rebound. Offensively when they miss, and defensively in order to prevent the other team from getting easy stick backs. X can not rely on 6’4”-6’5” players to do that for them, no matter how bulked up they are. Charles Barkley isn’t walking through the door and out onto the floor for the Muskies. They need some legitimate 6-10 and up players that like to mix it up down low, much more than they do some hot shooting wings or guards who can’t do anything beyond loft up shots from beyond the arc.

To go old school.....they need a Moses Malone more than they do a Reggie Miller.

Yes. A 6-10 big body ball hog like Malone who can also defend and score in the paint. Don’t know if Steele couldn’t land one (as a HS recruit or transfer) or if he just didn’t see it was going to be an issue (thinking Ramsey or Miles would be ready to go). It was obvious though that without Tyrique, the team was going to be a mess inside unless they picked up such a player who he knew could be counted on to rebound at an above average level, defend the rim well
and even score a bit for 20+ minutes a game.

Griffin was a solid pick up, but honestly tad shorter and thinner than what was really needed. Keep seeing these 6’6 -6’7” slashers Steele is in on. Completely fine to add them but like you said (and I’ve been posting about for over a year), the team desperately needs another physical big - I am ready for the next O’Mara/ Farr/ Reynolds /Tyrique/ Stainbrook/ /Love/Grant/Hill/Strong. Even better if that player can stretch the floor a bit like D Brown or D.West - but being a beast in the paint is most important

[xudash]

Yes. A 6-10 big body ball hog like Malone who can also defend and score in the paint. Don’t know if Steele couldn’t land one (as a HS recruit or transfer) or if he just didn’t see it was going to be an issue (thinking Ramsey or Miles would be ready to go). It was obvious though that without Tyrique, the team was going to be a mess inside unless they picked up such a player who he knew could be counted on to rebound at an above average level, defend the rim well
and even score a bit for 20+ minutes a game.

Griffin was a solid pick up, but honestly tad shorter and thinner than what was really needed. Keep seeing these 6’6 -6’7” slashers Steele is in on. Completely fine to add them but like you said (and I’ve been posting about for over a year), the team desperately needs another physical big - I am ready for the next O’Mara/ Farr/ Reynolds /Tyrique/ Stainbrook/ /Love/Grant/Hill/Strong. Even better if that player can stretch the floor a bit like D Brown or D.West - but being a beast in the paint is most important

Watched some of FSU and USC in their respective games last night. Not commenting on specific players or how they got to those two schools (e.g. USC with the two brothers and their dad as an assistant coach). Just amplifying the point that size and length down low is a must, especially for advancing in the NCAAT.

[drudy23]

Just think how important guys like Farr, Stainbrook, and Jason Love were to their respective teams. They weren't going to score 30, but they all played their role exceptionally well and were so important to team success. There is no one on the roster that can be compared to:

Farr
Stainbrook
Love
Omara
Reynolds
Tyrique

All 6 of those guys were super important cogs in this machine, and we never built an offense around any of them (except maybe Stainbrook). I have no idea why we went away from it.

Grant/West and Hill/Strong were a bit different as the team was built around them and they were Option A (B) in the post back when the game was played that way.

[Xavier]

Might be remembering this a little wrong but I think Farr was brought in as a classic stretch 4 type. His shooting never really translated though, and he then completely changed is body and skillset to be a big time rebounder. One of the reasons I liked him so much was the commitment he put into his game when his main skillset didn't work at the college level. Put the time and energy in the weight room, etc.

Wish he would talk to all incoming bigs about his process. Great success story IMO.

*Until someone on here lets me know I am completely misremembering the situation. Certainly possible.

[xukeith]

Yeah, seems some get to caught up on a players offensive numbers and forget the rest. I didn’t think that offense was the crux of the problem the last couple of years. If there was an offensive problem, it was the lack of inside scoring. If there is a shooting problem, it lies only in its inconsistency. And when that shooting goes cold they need an inside presence to throw the ball too. More importantly though, they need someone that can rebound. Offensively when they miss, and defensively in order to prevent the other team from getting easy stick backs. X can not rely on 6’4”-6’5” players to do that for them, no matter how bulked up they are. Charles Barkley isn’t walking through the door and out onto the floor for the Muskies. They need some legitimate 6-10 and up players that like to mix it up down low, much more than they do some hot shooting wings or guards who can’t do anything beyond loft up shots from beyond the arc.

To go old school.....they need a Moses Malone more than they do a Reggie Miller.

I am not sure old school big towering oafs are what X needs. The past few years, X has done well in rebounding wars. X guards geta ton of rebounds.
If you look at rosters, I think X wants as many 6'6'-6'9 athletes who run, drive, and make some 3's. Rebounding is not deficient.
Villanova, Oregon, and others are leading the way with 6'6-6'7 players that play multiple positions.

[drudy23]

Villanova, Oregon, and others are leading the way with 6'6-6'7 players that play multiple positions.

And their athleticism is off the charts. Again, we can't just look at teams with higher recruiting profiles and just say "go get those type of guys" - both teams you mention have bona fide pros and freak athletes. We don't have that luxury.

Oregon's last 3 classes have been in the top 10 nationally. They also are signing 2 of the top 4 centers as well. Oregon is a recruiting juggernaut in both football and basketball now with their Nike connection.

[Masterofreality]

Might be remembering this a little wrong but I think Farr was brought in as a classic stretch 4 type. His shooting never really translated though, and he then completely changed is body and skillset to be a big time rebounder. One of the reasons I liked him so much was the commitment he put into his game when his main skillset didn't work at the college level. Put the time and energy in the weight room, etc.

Wish he would talk to all incoming bigs about his process. Great success story IMO.

*Until someone on here lets me know I am completely misremembering the situation. Certainly possible.

Nope. This is truth.

[xukeith]

Oregon has tons and tons of transfers

[XUGRAD80]

I am not sure old school big towering oafs are what X needs. The past few years, X has done well in rebounding wars. X guards geta ton of rebounds.
If you look at rosters, I think X wants as many 6'6'-6'9 athletes who run, drive, and make some 3's. Rebounding is not deficient.
Villanova, Oregon, and others are leading the way with 6'6-6'7 players that play multiple positions.

Nobody said anything about “towering oafs”. But they NEED SOMEBODY that can compete against the kind of interior players that GTown, UConn, SH, Providence, etc. can put on the court. Sure, against some teams those wings and guards can help X hold their own on the boards. But X really struggled last year against teams with big front lines, offensively, defensively, and rebounding. There are players out there that can be big, mobile, and tough on the boards. If X is going to compete for league championships and runs deep into the NCAA tourney, it’s my opinion that they are goi g to need players like that in ADDITION to those 6-6/6-9 players that can run and play multiple positions.

[xudash]

Nobody said anything about “towering oafs”. But they NEED SOMEBODY that can compete against the kind of interior players that GTown, UConn, SH, Providence, etc. can put on the court. Sure, against some teams those wings and guards can help X hold their own on the boards. But X really struggled last year against teams with big front lines, offensively, defensively, and rebounding. There are players out there that can be big, mobile, and tough on the boards. If X is going to compete for league championships and runs deep into the NCAA tourney, it’s my opinion that they are goi g to need players like that in ADDITION to those 6-6/6-9 players that can run and play multiple positions.

EXACTLY.

But please allow me to again amplify that the need for this just isn't performing well in OOC and BE play during the season.

Watching this NCAAT reaffirms the need that the competition is deep and dangerous, particularly once you make it to the round of 16. Showing up at this level without a solid 5/4 in the rotation puts that much more pressure on your offensive package, regardless of what that looked like and how well it performed at arriving to that point.

[MHettel]

Might be remembering this a little wrong but I think Farr was brought in as a classic stretch 4 type. His shooting never really translated though, and he then completely changed is body and skillset to be a big time rebounder. One of the reasons I liked him so much was the commitment he put into his game when his main skillset didn't work at the college level. Put the time and energy in the weight room, etc.

Wish he would talk to all incoming bigs about his process. Great success story IMO.

*Until someone on here lets me know I am completely misremembering the situation. Certainly possible.

I have as slightly different recollection. YES, he was touted as a big man that could hit some 3's. That was his offensive role initially.

Here is who he played with:
Freshman Year: Philmore & Robinson
Soph: Philmore, Stainbrook & Reynolds
JR: Stainbrook, Reynolds, O'Mara
Sr: Reynolds, O'Mara

The roster construction was such that Farr just didn't have available minutes down low until he was a senior. The other guys around him just flat out HAD to stay down low, so Farr just had to be the stretch 4 although his success was "iffy." As a senior, he essentially abandoned the 3. He took 111 3's in his career and only 8 of them as a senior.

He only played 21 MPG as a senior, which was far more that prior years. But we had some front court depth and his minutes were PRODUCTIVE. like very productive. He started 31 games in his career, and only 4 as a senior.

But I recall him being an absolutely essential part of a team that went 28-6 and spent MOST of the season in the top 10.

THAT is roster management. Farr played just enough as a Freshman and Soph to stick it out. He got the payoff as a Senior.

btw- I don't recall Farr really transforming his body much. He was a space-eater with a big booty and some narrow shoulders. PERFECT rebounding body.

[AviatorX]

Just as a reference point, James Farr played in 13 games for a total of 42 minutes as a freshman. 22 of those minutes came in the first game of the year which Xavier won by 50 points over Farleigh Dickinson. Is a freshman with that limited PT sticking around to become a sophomore these days? Wilcher definitely should have played more than he did, but he logged three times as many minutes before you even account for the shortened season and Wilcher's own missed games with covid.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I have as slightly different recollection. YES, he was touted as a big man that could hit some 3's. That was his offensive role initially.

Here is who he played with:
Freshman Year: Philmore & Robinson
Soph: Philmore, Stainbrook & Reynolds
JR: Stainbrook, Reynolds, O'Mara
Sr: Reynolds, O'Mara

The roster construction was such that Farr just didn't have available minutes down low until he was a senior. The other guys around him just flat out HAD to stay down low, so Farr just had to be the stretch 4 although his success was "iffy." As a senior, he essentially abandoned the 3. He took 111 3's in his career and only 8 of them as a senior.

He only played 21 MPG as a senior, which was far more that prior years. But we had some front court depth and his minutes were PRODUCTIVE. like very productive. He started 31 games in his career, and only 4 as a senior.

But I recall him being an absolutely essential part of a team that went 28-6 and spent MOST of the season in the top 10.

THAT is roster management. Farr played just enough as a Freshman and Soph to stick it out. He got the payoff as a Senior.

btw- I don't recall Farr really transforming his body much. He was a space-eater with a big booty and some narrow shoulders. PERFECT rebounding body.


Just as a reference point, James Farr played in 13 games for a total of 42 minutes as a freshman. 22 of those minutes came in the first game of the year which Xavier won by 50 points over Farleigh Dickinson. Is a freshman with that limited PT sticking around to become a sophomore these days? Wilcher definitely should have played more than he did, but he logged three times as many minutes before you even account for the shortened season and Wilcher's own missed games with covid.

Stupid Mack accepting the transfers in Phillmore and Stainbrook. What was he thinking accepting those guys when he had Farr? He should have said no to them because he should have been thinking about how Farr would transfer if better players played more mins than him. Mack got lucky!!!!

[profson]

I have as slightly different recollection. YES, he was touted as a big man that could hit some 3's. That was his offensive role initially.

Here is who he played with:
Freshman Year: Philmore & Robinson
Soph: Philmore, Stainbrook & Reynolds
JR: Stainbrook, Reynolds, O'Mara
Sr: Reynolds, O'Mara

The roster construction was such that Farr just didn't have available minutes down low until he was a senior. The other guys around him just flat out HAD to stay down low, so Farr just had to be the stretch 4 although his success was "iffy." As a senior, he essentially abandoned the 3. He took 111 3's in his career and only 8 of them as a senior.

He only played 21 MPG as a senior, which was far more that prior years. But we had some front court depth and his minutes were PRODUCTIVE. like very productive. He started 31 games in his career, and only 4 as a senior.

But I recall him being an absolutely essential part of a team that went 28-6 and spent MOST of the season in the top 10.

THAT is roster management. Farr played just enough as a Freshman and Soph to stick it out. He got the payoff as a Senior.

btw- I don't recall Farr really transforming his body much. He was a space-eater with a big booty and some narrow shoulders. PERFECT rebounding body.

Exactly the sort of “roster management” that the new transfer rule precludes. Farr transfers after his freshman year after that amount of run.

[drudy23]

Stupid Mack accepting the transfers in Phillmore and Stainbrook. What was he thinking accepting those guys when he had Farr? He should have said no to them because he should have been thinking about how Farr would transfer if better players played more mins than him. Mack got lucky!!!!

It also shows you the importance Mack put on a low post presence. Steele has almost ignored it.

It's absolutely obvious to me that Steele's mark of this program was going to be his change in offensive philosophy with a wing oriented offense. That's fine, but he's neglected a very important part of that to make it successful.

He's gone all-in on it, and imo, is reluctant to change paths.

[profson]

Exactly the sort of “roster management” that the new transfer rule precludes. Farr transfers after his freshman year after that amount of run.

And same with O’Mara who almost did so when he would have had to sit.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Exactly the sort of “roster management” that the new transfer rule precludes. Farr transfers after his freshman year after that amount of run.

Eh, some yes, some no. It's not fair to assume Farr would have transferred. We had plenty of players who got similar run to Farr who did transfer despite the 1 year sit out.

Farr at that point would have had to step down a level in terms of conference to find someone who would have really wanted him. I think you can tell by the way he evolved his game he wanted to work to improve to be able to play at X and contribute at a BE level.

[IM4X]

Might be remembering this a little wrong but I think Farr was brought in as a classic stretch 4 type. His shooting never really translated though, and he then completely changed is body and skillset to be a big time rebounder. One of the reasons I liked him so much was the commitment he put into his game when his main skillset didn't work at the college level. Put the time and energy in the weight room, etc.

Wish he would talk to all incoming bigs about his process. Great success story IMO.

*Until someone on here lets me know I am completely misremembering the situation. Certainly possible.

This is pretty accurate accept it was more that it was “Not working out for the team” when Farr was playing out on the perimeter than it was about not working out for him, but that was part of it too. When Farr was playing more of a stretch 4, it caused a lot of the same problems in the paint that we have witnessed with the current team when Carter was in the game: Missed opportunities for rebounds and Put backs. X started getting abused inside and even lost games and Mack got him to change his game to stay nearer to the basket and it paid dividends. He became a terrific post player, defending well, rebounding better and always there for dump pass and easy bucket. Farr had a nice midrange stroke and even was decent from three, but when you start to figure out what the net gain is by giving some of that up, it becomes obvious that staying near the backer is the smart move.

[MHettel]

Eh, some yes, some no. It's not fair to assume Farr would have transferred. We had plenty of players who got similar run to Farr who did transfer despite the 1 year sit out.

Farr at that point would have had to step down a level in terms of conference to find someone who would have really wanted him. I think you can tell by the way he evolved his game he wanted to work to improve to be able to play at X and contribute at a BE level.

Look. Farr did not "evolve his game." We made him play the 4, cause that's where the minutes were. When Stainbrook left, we let him play the 5, and he flourished. Circumstances.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Look. Farr did not "evolve his game." We made him play the 4, cause that's where the minutes were. When Stainbrook left, we let him play the 5, and he flourished. Circumstances.

Of course he did. I don't care what position he played, he stopped hanging around the perimeter and shooting threes to do dirty work down low.

He made huge changes to his game. Probably because he was told that is what was required for him to play but he still had to do it, he could have decided to transfer and find someone who let him play how he initially wanted to play.

[IM4X]

Watched some of FSU and USC in their respective games last night. Not commenting on specific players or how they got to those two schools (e.g. USC with the two brothers and their dad as an assistant coach). Just amplifying the point that size and length down low is a must, especially for advancing in the NCAAT.

Yes it does. Had X had one 6’10” PF/C added to the roster with slightly above average skills in the paint and there would not only be dancing but very likely advancing a few rounds.

[MHettel]

Of course he did. I don't care what position he played, he stopped hanging around the perimeter and shooting threes to do dirty work down low.

He made huge changes to his game. Probably because he was told that is what was required for him to play but he still had to do it, he could have decided to transfer and find someone who let him play how he initially wanted to play.

Ok then.

[XUGRAD80]

Of course he did. I don't care what position he played, he stopped hanging around the perimeter and shooting threes to do dirty work down low.

He made huge changes to his game. Probably because he was told that is what was required for him to play but he still had to do it, he could have decided to transfer and find someone who let him play how he initially wanted to play.

That’s exactly what I remember as well.

[murray87]

Anyone catch Tanner Groves from Eastern Washington in their game against Kansas?? Man, I was thinking if only the Muskies had a big load like that down in the paint.

https://www.si.com/college/2021/03/20/groves-brothers-stole-show-eastern-washington-kansas-march-madness

But then I think his career stats coming into the game was something like 5 points per game? Maybe he just caught lightning in the March Madness bottle?

[markchal]

Of course he did. I don't care what position he played, he stopped hanging around the perimeter and shooting threes to do dirty work down low.

He made huge changes to his game. Probably because he was told that is what was required for him to play but he still had to do it, he could have decided to transfer and find someone who let him play how he initially wanted to play.

Farr COMPLETELY changed his game. He was a tall skinny player who just chucked 3s as a sophomore, and got a lot bigger/tougher and ended up as a rebounding BEAST and good interior player. Farr is a true genuine player development success story.

[xavierj]

Xavier reached out to Armann Franklin from Indiana as expected. Travis recruited him hard and was right in it before. My guess it’s either Xavier or Louisville.

[AviatorX]

Xavier reached out to Armann Franklin from Indiana as expected. Travis recruited him hard and was right in it before. My guess it’s either Xavier or Louisville.

I think with him and any other IU guys who end up in the portal, there's also a strong chance they end up staying put once a coach is hired.

[JTG]

I think with him and any other IU guys who end up in the portal, there's also a strong chance they end up staying put once a coach is hired.

Not necessarily. Franklin went to Cathedral in Indy, and Cathedral has some ties to X alumni wise. It's not a Southern Indiana HS, where all the hayseeds dream of a career in Bloomington. Travis may have a shot. Holloway and Crawford came to X from IU. But he's heard from about 50 other schools already.

[GoMuskies]

Dontarious James is in the portal. Maybe we should go get him and Ridder and go full circle on this thing.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dontarious James is in the portal. Maybe we should go get him and Ridder and go full circle on this thing.

Man, 6'8 and plays 30 mins a game and only grabs 4 boards a game???

[AviatorX]

Dontarious James is in the portal. Maybe we should go get him and Ridder and go full circle on this thing.

Round it out with Elias Harden and Daniel Ramsey and MOR could coach that team to a 6 seed.

[Lloyd Braun]

https://twitter.com/adamjbaum/status/1374810538295840770?s=21

Jason Carter enters transfer portal. Best of luck to him.

[drudy23]

Now go get some big men!!!

[XUBison]

https://twitter.com/adamjbaum/status/1374810538295840770?s=21

Jason Carter enters transfer portal. Best of luck to him.

Wait, what? He wants to see what other opportunities are out there? Is he mad he got toomuch playing time?

[D-West & PO-Z]

https://twitter.com/adamjbaum/status/1374810538295840770?s=21

Jason Carter enters transfer portal. Best of luck to him.

If he ends up playing another year, you have to think Steele said he didn't have a role for him moving forward right? Or a significantly reduced role? I think thats a good move by Steele, maybe even a little surprising but good.

[IM4X]

Best of luck to Jason!

[bobbiemcgee]

Wilcher left bcuz he didn't get Carter's minutes? WTF

[xuphan]

https://twitter.com/adamjbaum/status/1374810538295840770?s=21

Jason Carter enters transfer portal. Best of luck to him.

Thank you Mr. Carter. I appreciate you giving your all for this team and program. I am sorry for all the unjust abuse you took from the fan base. You were not put in a good position by the coaching staff to succeed. Best of luck on your new basketball journey.

[whopper]

Thank you Mr. Carter. I appreciate you giving your all for this team and program. I am sorry for all the unjust abuse you took from the fan base. You were not put in a good position by the coaching staff to succeed. Best of luck on your new basketball journey. That is true and I think there was a slight injury problem sometime in January as he was not the same player afterward..was "OK" before no world beater but a definitely drop off. I wish him the best of luck and damn I want to make one of these grad transfers love their time at X. Hankins, Welage, Castlin, Moore, Griffin and Carter came close but damn no cigar for them or us. Thank Gillespie in 2019 and Karam in 2020 (and Covid) and this year not really close.

[IM4X]

Yeah. Jason played hard and he was all about the team. I wish he had been able to shine a little more at X. Also, I hope he knows that most of the harsh remarks from fans were out of frustration about how he was being used at times. I hope he plays another year some place where he can really shine.

[xavierj]

Thank you Mr. Carter. I appreciate you giving your all for this team and program. I am sorry for all the unjust abuse you took from the fan base. You were not put in a good position by the coaching staff to succeed. Best of luck on your new basketball journey.

This is an interesting post. How did the coaches not put him in a position to succeed? Should they have sat him on the bench? Played him T guard? They gave him a ton of opportunity to succeed. Left him wide open to make shots, which he should be able to do, played him roughy 30 minutes a game and allowed him to play though mistakes. The only think they could have done differently is not play him, and he would have not liked that. I think the coaches were more than generous to Jason, probably at the expense of other players. So don’t feel sorry for Jason, he was given every opportunity. I am happy for him though and wish him luck. He has a masters, and doesn’t have to pay back a dime for college. Wish I had those problems.

[xuphan]

This is an interesting post. How did the coaches not put him in a position to succeed? Should they have sat him on the bench? Played him T guard? They gave him a ton of opportunity to succeed. Left him wide open to make shots, which he should be able to do, played him roughy 30 minutes a game and allowed him to play though mistakes. The only think they could have done differently is not play him, and he would have not liked that. I think the coaches were more than generous to Jason, probably at the expense of other players. So don’t feel sorry for Jason, he was given every opportunity. I am happy for him though and wish him luck. He has a masters, and doesn’t have to pay back a dime for college. Wish I had those problems.

I think it was pretty obvious that Jason was not at the Big East Level and he still was thrown to the wolves by this coaching staff. He shouldn’t have played as much as he did and I would bet Jason would have rather been in the NCAA tournament than having more playing time.

[MHettel]

Thank you Mr. Carter. I appreciate you giving your all for this team and program. I am sorry for all the unjust abuse you took from the fan base. You were not put in a good position by the coaching staff to succeed. Best of luck on your new basketball journey.

Really? Just taking a stroll down the "high road" eh?

Do you REALLY think Carter is gonna read your message, or are you just grandstanding?

And what exactly would have been a "just" (as opposed to unjust) discussion regarding Carters play?

He was the most underperforming player on a woefully underperforming team. And that's not an attack on a person, by the way. It's an informed opinion based on observation.

And, in exactly what way did the Coaching Staff put Carter in a "not good" position? Is it because they let him play in the games, and as a result we could all see that he just wasn't good enough for this level and was hurting the team?

You post is BS. You are better than everyone.

[markchal]

while it's clear he did not perform to his capabilities this year (for instance, he was a MUCH better ft shooter than he showed, and a much better 3 shooter last 3 years than this), he was absolutely put in a tough spot by the coaches. He's a 3/4, and he was forced to play the 5 because we literally had nobody else. He got his shot blocked a bunch because he was playing out of position. He took it on gamely, and hit the floor for every loose ball and was actually our best rebounder for a portion of the season.

He might have run into a mental block with some of his scoring (he was a crafty scorer at OU, even against some good teams, I remember him playing well against us) and shooting, but the dude left it all on the floor for us. He could've been much more effective with less time and with playing at his natural position, it's not his fault he ended up where he did this season.

[MHettel]

This is an interesting post. How did the coaches not put him in a position to succeed? Should they have sat him on the bench? Played him T guard? They gave him a ton of opportunity to succeed. Left him wide open to make shots, which he should be able to do, played him roughy 30 minutes a game and allowed him to play though mistakes. The only think they could have done differently is not play him, and he would have not liked that. I think the coaches were more than generous to Jason, probably at the expense of other players. So don’t feel sorry for Jason, he was given every opportunity. I am happy for him though and wish him luck. He has a masters, and doesn’t have to pay back a dime for college. Wish I had those problems.

You must have missed it. The coaches caused him to go 12-28 from the FT line (43%) against BE Competition.

This is my Favorite: He basically sucks the entire season, then FINALLY gets taken out of the starting lineup after a 0 point, 4 rebound, 1 assist Loss against GTown. But, he still gets to play 9 minutes against Marquette and records.....a rebound and 4 fouls. And.....then he starts the next (final) game and plays 35 minutes and records this doozy: 9 points on 27% shooting. 5 rebs, 2 Ast, 1 Stl, 1 Blk. And we lost. Shocking.

[MHettel]

it's not his fault he ended up where he did this season.

Huh? People here are blaming the coaches for his shit results. Hell, you did too. So he is not accountable for his OWN performance, but someone else is?

I don't really care about "fault" at all. I just know that he was horrible. Do what you want with that.

[xuphan]

Really? Just taking a stroll down the "high road" eh?

Do you REALLY think Carter is gonna read your message, or are you just grandstanding?

And what exactly would have been a "just" (as opposed to unjust) discussion regarding Carters play?

He was the most underperforming player on a woefully underperforming team. And that's not an attack on a person, by the way. It's an informed opinion based on observation.

And, in exactly what way did the Coaching Staff put Carter in a "not good" position? Is it because they let him play in the games, and as a result we could all see that he just wasn't good enough for this level and was hurting the team?

You post is BS. You are better than everyone.

My post is BS? How so?

Jason Carter is not a Big East type of talent. He was a role player at best. Nothing wrong with being a role player. Time and time again this was proven to be true. For whatever reason, this coaching staff continued to play him heavy minutes when it was obvious that he was out of his league. As a result, he became the target of heavy criticism by the Xavier fans and took personal attacks from them. I am sure this took a toll on him as it would most players. A role player should be playing role player minutes. Not starting for and playing the bulk of the minutes for a Big East team. I think my post is on point to thank him for his contributions to this team and that the staff did not put him in the right situations to succeed. Will he read this post? Highly unlikely but he does deserve a thank you for his time and dedication to the program.

[MHettel]

My post is BS? How so?

Jason Carter is not a Big East type of talent. He was a role player at best. Nothing wrong with being a role player. Time and time again this was proven to be true. For whatever reason, this coaching staff continued to play him heavy minutes when it was obvious that he was out of his league. As a result, he became the target of heavy criticism by the Xavier fans and took personal attacks from them. I am sure this took a toll on him as it would most players. A role player should be playing role player minutes. Not starting for and playing the bulk of the minutes for a Big East team. I think my post is on point to thank him for his contributions to this team and that the staff did not put him in the right situations to succeed. Will he read this post? Highly unlikely but he does deserve a thank you for his time and dedication to that program.

Your post reeks of disapproval that some "lesser" fans aren't behaving the way the "real" fans should. The audacity of the fans that dare to critique a player who wears the X! It's Ok when we talk about how GREAT a player is, but heaven forbid if we flog a guy that hurts the team when he's out there.

[xavierj]

while it's clear he did not perform to his capabilities this year (for instance, he was a MUCH better ft shooter than he showed, and a much better 3 shooter last 3 years than this), he was absolutely put in a tough spot by the coaches. He's a 3/4, and he was forced to play the 5 because we literally had nobody else. He got his shot blocked a bunch because he was playing out of position. He took it on gamely, and hit the floor for every loose ball and was actually our best rebounder for a portion of the season.

He might have run into a mental block with some of his scoring (he was a crafty scorer at OU, even against some good teams, I remember him playing well against us) and shooting, but the dude left it all on the floor for us. He could've been much more effective with less time and with playing at his natural position, it's not his fault he ended up where he did this season.

Jason played the 4. He was rarely inside. Shot a lot of threes, defended 4’s. Zach played the 5.

[xuphan]

Your post reeks of disapproval that some "lesser" fans aren't behaving the way the "real" fans should. The audacity of the fans that dare to critique a player who wears the X! It's Ok when we talk about how GREAT a player is, but heaven forbid if we flog a guy that hurts the team when he's out there.

Who said anything about not criticizing players? I have no problem with criticism for any player or coach that doesn’t perform. However, Carter continued to get criticized and personally attack for his performance in the Big East when it was obvious he had no business playing as much as he did. It would be like starting a walk-on and expecting him to play at a Big East level. Would the walk on deserve heavy criticism even though he is not a Big East type talent? Carter should have gotten 10-15 minutes max per game in the Big East. I also criticized Carters performance at first but by the end of the season, it was obvious that the criticism should be directed at the coaching staff for playing him as much as they did.

[whopper]

This is unpleasant but it shows that sports is not all fun and games. Big East is a blood sport and you crush a guy when he is down(all basketball is now). I do believe that to protect Zach F Carter played the 5 on defense and I noticed his opponents knew what if they rose up and shot they would always get a clean look as lack of size and hops (they may miss but not due to intimidation). What struck me in the Butler loss is that Golden and NZe NEVER passed the ball back out..they actually dribbled 4-5 times in lane to get a better position as they wanted to go right at Jason and Zach and we did not double and the knew they would get a good look...they shot a Wilt/Shaq like 17-21!!

[markchal]

Huh? People here are blaming the coaches for his shit results. Hell, you did too. So he is not accountable for his OWN performance, but someone else is?

I don't really care about "fault" at all. I just know that he was horrible. Do what you want with that.

The coach is the one ultimately responsible for the results of the team, he's also the one who gets paid millions to get those results, so yeah, I'm gonna put more blame on him than a student athlete who didn't live up to your expectations.

I didn't say he wasn't accountable for his performance (I even specifically pointed out his ft and 3 shooting were much lower than the rest of his career), but the guy WAS playing out of position because we sorely lacked frontcourt depth. And he was a team guy who played hard, so I'm never gonna make that leap to call someone working hard to rep the X "horrible" and "shit".

This team had much bigger problems than one player.

[Xavier]

Huh? People here are blaming the coaches for his shit results. Hell, you did too. So he is not accountable for his OWN performance, but someone else is?

I don't really care about "fault" at all. I just know that he was horrible. Do what you want with that.

....kinda seems like you do. Not sure the point of the post otherwise.

[D-West & PO-Z]

....kinda seems like you do. Not sure the point of the post otherwise.

:lmao:

[XUGRAD80]

Jason played the 4. He was rarely inside. Shot a lot of threes, defended 4’s. Zach played the 5.

When Zach and a griffin were both off the floor, and Xavier went small with only Carter on the floor, he was forced to play down low defensively primarily, but also at times while on offense. X seemed to use that lineup quite a bit over the last 4-5 games, especially in the second half of the games. Other rimes they had Jason guarding the other teams center threw out the game. I’m sure that was to keep Zach from getting into foul trouble early in the games.

It really hurt this team that Ramsey and Miles were not able to contribute much. I don’t blame that on Carter, it’s just how it worked out. He tried, but he just doesn’t have what it takes to man the low post position. Neither to a lot of other players.

[xukeith]

Not sure where to post this but UC administration is investigating men's basketball coaches.
Maybe they don't have the $ to buy out Brannen's contract.
"looking" for any violations warranting a firing. It comes after UC men's team currently has 7 players in transfer portal.

Any inside info?
It is X related because UC is our crosstown rival.

[bobbiemcgee]

Apparently some alumnus at IU paid 10 million to get rid of Archie. Do they have any prospects for us in their chaos @ IU? Lost 3 starters so far.

[UCGRAD4X]

When Zach and a griffin were both off the floor, and Xavier went small with only Carter on the floor, he was forced to play down low defensively primarily, but also at times while on offense. X seemed to use that lineup quite a bit over the last 4-5 games, especially in the second half of the games. Other rimes they had Jason guarding the other teams center threw out the game. I’m sure that was to keep Zach from getting into foul trouble early in the games.

It really hurt this team that Ramsey and Miles were not able to contribute much. I don’t blame that on Carter, it’s just how it worked out. He tried, but he just doesn’t have what it takes to man the low post position. Neither to a lot of other players.

I think the question is, were they really not able to contribute or did they just not earn enough practice points?

[XUGRAD80]

I think the question is, were they really not able to contribute or did they just not earn enough practice points?


For most people, it’s hard to win “practice points” when you’re not practicing. I remember often reading, or hearing on the pregame shows, that both players had missed many practices during the year because of injuries, or COVID concerns. Combine that with all of the practice time that didn’t happen because of COVID shutdowns, and you get a couple of players that missed a year of development. I really thought that Ramsey would be leaving the program and was only surprised that he entered the transfer portal and didn’t outright just “retire” from competitive basketball. It will be interesting to see if he actually does end up at another school on their active roster.

[Xuperman]

X was actively pursuing this guy last spring.

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2019/12/24/21036373/a-quick-word-on-kevin-marfo-basketballs-best-big-man-maybe

It didn't work out at A&M....that could be a red flag, but built like Tyrique and can rebound like him as well. Guy played for Bergan Catholic, so there maybe some connection with Free.

[xuphan]

X was actively pursuing this guy last spring.

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2019/12/24/21036373/a-quick-word-on-kevin-marfo-basketballs-best-big-man-maybe

It didn't work out at A&M....that could be a red flag, but built like Tyrique and can rebound like him as well. Guy played for Bergan Catholic, so there maybe some connection with Free.

Steele is expected to meet virtually with Noah Gurley. Noah is a 6’8 inch forward from Furman who averaged 15 points and 8 rebounds a game. Not very excited about recruiting a third team all conference player from the Southern conference. Hope this is a backup backup option.

[IM4X]

Heard a rumor that Kyky might rejoin the team. I would love that rumor to be true. Anyone know anything about this?

[Xville]

Steele is expected to meet virtually with Noah Gurley. Noah is a 6’8 inch forward from Furman who averaged 15 points and 8 rebounds a game. Not very excited about recruiting a third team all conference player from the Southern conference. Hope this is a backup backup option.

Steele loves saying one thing and doing another...I thought he wanted big guys? 6'8 210? yippee

[Xville]

Heard a rumor that Kyky might rejoin the team. I would love that rumor to be true. Anyone know anything about this?

Must be quite a few rumblings on this...been mentioned on here from a few posters on this board the last few days.

Did Steele get on his hands and knees once CJ left or did KyKy not hear what he wanted to from other schools?

[GoMuskies]

How about Crawford's guy Rocket Watts? Just entered the portal from MSU.

[xukeith]

How about Crawford's guy Rocket Watts? Just entered the portal from MSU.

He is a top 40 recruit BUT after 2 years at MSU , he is averaging less than 27% from 3 . That is worse than Quentin Gooden(28%) territory.

[MHettel]

I'd take KyKy back. We have not seen what he is capable of....

[xukeith]

X was actively pursuing this guy last spring.

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2019/12/24/21036373/a-quick-word-on-kevin-marfo-basketballs-best-big-man-maybe

It didn't work out at A&M....that could be a red flag, but built like Tyrique and can rebound like him as well. Guy played for Bergan Catholic, so there maybe some connection with Free.

There might be a good reason he went to Quinnipac U. He played this past year at Texas AM. He averaged close to 4 points and 3.5 rebounds. I guess a completely new system is hard to learn.

[whopper]

I can say now I was not in love with Wilcher, did not love his release, did not like his body(a little puffy to the eye). He seemed to have a lot of confidence and I see guys whose confidence is not backed up by his game. Kyky has a better release, a better athlete, and honestly I see more guards getting 5-6 rebounds a game on long rebounds than ever. Of course if he stayed he would have had potential like Trevon (actually a similar game and body) but now I would say I like Kyky better (surprises me he is not a better ball handler and opponents thinks his defense is poor so go right at him

[xuphan]

Must be quite a few rumblings on this...been mentioned on here from a few posters on this board the last few days.

Did Steele get on his hands and knees once CJ left or did KyKy not hear what he wanted to from other schools?

What rumbling have you heard exactly? I haven’t heard anything other than a scouts expert say it was a mutual decision between Kyky and the head coach to part ways. Maybe thing have changed all of a sudden.

[xukeith]

What rumbling have you heard exactly? I haven’t heard anything other than a scouts expert say it was a mutual decision between Kyky and the head coach to part ways. Maybe thing have changed all of a sudden.

I hear and see nothing. KyKy is not coming back. Why would he?

[Xville]

What rumbling have you heard exactly? I haven’t heard anything other than a scouts expert say it was a mutual decision between Kyky and the head coach to part ways. Maybe thing have changed all of a sudden.

Just on here...I find it hard to believe but more than one poster has said they have heard stuff

[xukeith]

Look who filled out nicely. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4279159/jared-ridder

7.4 points a game but doesn't seem to rebound well.

[94GRAD]

I hear and see nothing. KyKy is not coming back. Why would he?

He would want to return because he's not getting the offers he thought he would.

[xuphan]

He would want to return because he's not getting the offers he thought he would.

Found this interesting quote on the Xavier 247 page.

Xavier: "They really are pushing for me. They said that I am a guy that fits the mold they need to become a Final Four team. That's what he was telling me and the past success of Xavier and just being a part of that and of course continuing my development as a pro."

Furman transfer Noah Gurley

[Xville]

Found this interesting quote on the Xavier 247 page.

Xavier: "They really are pushing for me. They said that I am a guy that fits the mold they need to become a Final Four team. That's what he was telling me and the past success of Xavier and just being a part of that and of course continuing my development as a pro."

Furman transfer Noah Gurley

A 6’8 skinny guy with average outside shooting ability..yay

[XUBison]

Found this interesting quote on the Xavier 247 page.

Xavier: "They really are pushing for me. They said that I am a guy that fits the mold they need to become a Final Four team. That's what he was telling me and the past success of Xavier and just being a part of that and of course continuing my development as a pro."

Furman transfer Noah Gurley

what is a used car salesman, Alex?

[MHettel]

Look who filled out nicely. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4279159/jared-ridder

7.4 points a game but doesn't seem to rebound well.

Pretty underwhelming. It's amazing that there are so many guys that get XU offers, and then end up elsewhere against much lesser competition and don't really accomplish much. Such a hit and miss business....

[MHettel]

Found this interesting quote on the Xavier 247 page.

Xavier: "They really are pushing for me. They said that I am a guy that fits the mold they need to become a Final Four team. That's what he was telling me and the past success of Xavier and just being a part of that and of course continuing my development as a pro."

Furman transfer Noah Gurley

This kid looks pretty good. 6'8" & 210. nearly 6 rebs, 2.5 assts, 1.1 blocks and .9 steals. All solid. Not spectacular.

33% 3 Pt shooter on 4.5 attempts per game. A bit less than ideal. That a lot of attempts.

From 2, he shoots 58%, which suggests he's a heck of a finisher, but he doesn't really get to the line which suggest he's more of a jump shooter. So, who knows? We could use EITHER!

[xavierj]

A 6’8 skinny guy with average outside shooting ability..yay

Have you seen him play? He is good. Watched them against Alabama early in the year and he was very solid. Had 15 in a game they should have won. In his last 6 games shot over 50% on threes on 30 attempts. Shot over 40% from three as a sophomore and had 21 against Auburn. He will have some high majors trying to get him. Look up his videos. He can play.

[Xville]

Have you seen him play? He is good. Watched them against Alabama early in the year and he was very solid. Had 15 in a game they should have won. In his last 6 games shot over 50% on threes on 30 attempts. Shot over 40% from three as a sophomore and had 21 against Auburn. He will have some high majors trying to get him. Look up his videos. He can play.

I’ll trust ya, but my problem is not if he can play or not, it’s that having him doesn’t fix the issue this team has. Doesn’t x already have free, two freshmen coming in that have similar type games as this dude etc?

It’s the problem I continue to have with this coaching staff, horrible roster construction and lineup management. Is this guy gonna come off the bench for x or is he gonna play the 4 or 5 with free as the other? Problem isn’t fixed.

[Dblue]

Sounds like another Travis Steele type stretch 4. I understand the strategy in having a stretch 4, I just struggle to get excited for that type of player (forward playing that much behind the arc).

I want to hear about discussions with a 7'+ 260+ lbs bruiser of a center that stands his ground and makes the opposition fear the pain to be had when trying to drive for a layup. I know there aren't many of those types in the portal, but wishful thinking!

[xavierj]

Sounds like another Travis Steele type stretch 4. I understand the strategy in having a stretch 4, I just struggle to get excited for that type of player (forward playing that much behind the arc).

I want to hear about discussions with a 7'+ 260+ lbs bruiser of a center that stands his ground and makes the opposition fear the pain to be had when trying to drive for a layup. I know there aren't many of those types in the portal, but wishful thinking!

I get that but watching the NCAA tourney do a lot of teams have that? Baylor has some size but Vital is 6’5 260 and the bigger guys like that don’t play a ton. Michigan has size. Arkansas is lean and athletic, Gonzaga has Timme who is 6’10” 235 and not exactly as you describe. UCLA doesn’t have that, Alabama doesn’t have it and Houston doesn’t either. I see a lot of athletes in those teams fighting for final 4 spots. Xavier clearly needs to get more athletic. We have miles who is 6’11” and athletic, but he needs to get stronger. Big offseason for him.

[Xville]

I get that but watching the NCAA tourney do a lot of teams have that? Baylor has some size but Vital is 6’5 260 and the bigger guys like that don’t play a ton. Michigan has size. Arkansas is lean and athletic, Gonzaga has Timme who is 6’10” 235 and not exactly as you describe. UCLA doesn’t have that, Alabama doesn’t have it and Houston doesn’t either. I see a lot of athletes in those teams fighting for final 4 spots. Xavier clearly needs to get more athletic. We have miles who is 6’11” and athletic, but he needs to get stronger. Big offseason for him.

Arkansas is long and big...6’7 230, 6’10 245 front line.

Michigan is huge, usc is huge

I agree there are teams like UCLA, bama who aren’t big as well as houston who are athletic freaks.

Steele said they needed to get bigger and stronger and then recruit this guy...there is already three at the least of these guys on the roster.

There just seems to be a lot of just throw our hat into every single ring and see what comes back. I’m not confident there is an actual plan from this staff

[xuwillie]

Yes. X needs more athletic bigs that can actually play (no offense to Miles). Still not sure what Steele’s philosophy is..

[XUBison]

I’ll trust ya, but my problem is not if he can play or not, it’s that having him doesn’t fix the issue this team has. Doesn’t x already have free, two freshmen coming in that have similar type games as this dude etc?

It’s the problem I continue to have with this coaching staff, horrible roster construction and lineup management. Is this guy gonna come off the bench for x or is he gonna play the 4 or 5 with free as the other? Problem isn’t fixed.

Well, leave it to Steele to fill the roster full of Gurley men. At least we’re going to the Final 4 if he comes to X.

[xuphan]

Have you seen him play? He is good. Watched them against Alabama early in the year and he was very solid. Had 15 in a game they should have won. In his last 6 games shot over 50% on threes on 30 attempts. Shot over 40% from three as a sophomore and had 21 against Auburn. He will have some high majors trying to get him. Look up his videos. He can play.

So are we a live by the 3 and die by the 3 team? A 5 out drive and kick to whoever is open and shoot the 3? I’m just confused as to what offense we are trying to run and what type of players we should be expecting to get. It sounds like Steele wants all of his players regardless of position to make 3 point shots correct? Is that accurate?

[xavierj]

So are we a live by the 3 and die by the 3 team? A 5 out drive and kick to whoever is open and shoot the 3? I’m just confused as to what offense we are trying to run and what type of players we should be expecting to get. It sounds like Steele wants all of his players regardless of position to make 3 point shots correct? Is that accurate?

No I think you try to get guys who can put the ball in the basket and rebound. The guy I was talking about is not a shoot or three or else kind of guy. Shoots 58% from two. If you want to be upset. Knock yourself out.

[MHettel]

No I think you try to get guys who can put the ball in the basket and rebound. The guy I was talking about is not a shoot or three or else kind of guy. Shoots 58% from two. If you want to be upset. Knock yourself out.

Gurley takes 38% of his attempts from deep. That's pretty high. For reference, Trevon was at 50% exactly. So not quite that level of shooting from3, but pretty high.

Trevon took .39 Free Throw attempts per shot attempt. Gurley only takes .30 FT per shot attempts. So, he's not taking as many 3's as Trevon (and less likely to get fouled on a 3), but he's managing to get fouled a lot less (on more 2 pt attempts)

Gurely is either:
A REALLY good mid range shooter
or
A good finiaher at the Rim that somehow doesn't get fouled a lot.

[xavierj]

Gurley takes 38% of his attempts from deep. That's pretty high. For reference, Trevon was at 50% exactly. So not quite that level of shooting from3, but pretty high.

Trevon took .39 Free Throw attempts per shot attempt. Gurley only takes .30 FT per shot attempts. So, he's not taking as many 3's as Trevon (and less likely to get fouled on a 3), but he's managing to get fouled a lot less (on more 2 pt attempts)

Gurely is either:
A REALLY good mid range shooter
or
A good finiaher at the Rim that somehow doesn't get fouled a lot.

Not sure about why he doesn’t get fouled but he looks good in film and when I saw him play. Xavier was in early and had a zoom already but he will be tough to get. UCONN, Florida, Tennessee and Illinois are all involved and I am sure a bunch of others.

[xuphan]

No I think you try to get guys who can put the ball in the basket and rebound. The guy I was talking about is not a shoot or three or else kind of guy. Shoots 58% from two. If you want to be upset. Knock yourself out.

Asking questions is me being upset? Is Gurley being recruited to play the 5?

[GIMMFD]

Honestly, there are some very intriguing prospects in the transfer portal, there's definitely a chance to make up for the losses we've had on the roster, and even some guys that'd be perfect for the holes in our roster, here's just a couple that stood out to me. Steele's recruiting chops have been praised, so I would love to see him get one of these guys.

* Jayden Gardner - Forward (Eastern Carolina) - PTS: 18.3, REB: 8.3, AST: 1.4, FG: 49.3%, FT: 75%, BLK: 0.5, STL: 0.8 - not a 3-point shooter, has taken less than 40 in his career, is 6'7, 235 pounds from Wake Forest, NC. ECU was quite terrible this year however going 8-11. Basically is an undersized 5, but hey Mark Vital at Baylor basically is too and he makes it work.

* Earl Timberlake - Forward/Guard (Miami) - PTS: 9.3, REB: 5.0, AST: 2.4, FG: 44.9%, FT: 70.4%, 3-PT: 28.6%, BLK: 0.6, STL: 1.7 - Former 4* fringe 5* guy from DeMatha Catholic that was expected to be a one and done, but got injured during the season. Is 6'6, has some size, could be a good wing, but not really much of a interior presence we need.

* Walker Kesssler - Forward/Center (UNC) - PTS: 4.4, REB: 2.3, AST: 0.3, FG: 57.8%, FT: 53.7, BLK: 0.9, STL: 0.5 - Former 5* recruit, 7'1 height that'd be an amazing addition but just seems like a wish. He defends the rim well, can defend the rim, is from Georgia so I wonder if Hayes has any contacts that could come in handy here, just seems like a wish list.

* Tre Mitchell - Forward/Center (UMass) - PTS: 18.8, REB: 7.2, AST: 2.2, FG: 51.9%, FT: 76.8%, 3-PT: 37.5%, BLK: 1.5, STL: 1.2 - Sophomore with a 6’9 frame that is from the Pittsburgh area, an all conference guy in the A-10. Looks like an absolute beast at times, can step out and hit the three, plays solid defense.

[xukeith]

Honestly, there are some very intriguing prospects in the transfer portal, there's definitely a chance to make up for the losses we've had on the roster, and even some guys that'd be perfect for the holes in our roster, here's just a couple that stood out to me. Steele's recruiting chops have been praised, so I would love to see him get one of these guys.

* Jayden Gardner - Forward (Eastern Carolina) - PTS: 18.3, REB: 8.3, AST: 1.4, FG: 49.3%, FT: 75%, BLK: 0.5, STL: 0.8 - not a 3-point shooter, has taken less than 40 in his career, is 6'7, 235 pounds from Wake Forest, NC. ECU was quite terrible this year however going 8-11. Basically is an undersized 5, but hey Mark Vital at Baylor basically is too and he makes it work.

* Earl Timberlake - Forward/Guard (Miami) - PTS: 9.3, REB: 5.0, AST: 2.4, FG: 44.9%, FT: 70.4%, 3-PT: 28.6%, BLK: 0.6, STL: 1.7 - Former 4* fringe 5* guy from DeMatha Catholic that was expected to be a one and done, but got injured during the season. Is 6'6, has some size, could be a good wing, but not really much of a interior presence we need.

* Walker Kesssler - Forward/Center (UNC) - PTS: 4.4, REB: 2.3, AST: 0.3, FG: 57.8%, FT: 53.7, BLK: 0.9, STL: 0.5 - Former 5* recruit, 7'1 height that'd be an amazing addition but just seems like a wish. He defends the rim well, can defend the rim, is from Georgia so I wonder if Hayes has any contacts that could come in handy here, just seems like a wish list.

* Tre Mitchell - Forward/Center (UMass) - PTS: 18.8, REB: 7.2, AST: 2.2, FG: 51.9%, FT: 76.8%, 3-PT: 37.5%, BLK: 1.5, STL: 1.2 - Sophomore with a 6’9 frame that is from the Pittsburgh area, an all conference guy in the A-10. Looks like an absolute beast at times, can step out and hit the three, plays solid defense.

Mitchell and Kessler get my vote. Need a miracle.

[xukeith]

So are we a live by the 3 and die by the 3 team? A 5 out drive and kick to whoever is open and shoot the 3? I’m just confused as to what offense we are trying to run and what type of players we should be expecting to get. It sounds like Steele wants all of his players regardless of position to make 3 point shots correct? Is that accurate?

I think it depends on what pieces of the puzzle X has before a certain style is implemented.

[drudy23]

Mitchell and Kessler get my vote. Need a miracle.

I'd venture to guess every big conference program with a big man need is on these two. Tre Mitchell would be ideal.

Any clue where these two are considering and if we even reach out?

[drudy23]

So are we a live by the 3 and die by the 3 team? A 5 out drive and kick to whoever is open and shoot the 3? I’m just confused as to what offense we are trying to run and what type of players we should be expecting to get. It sounds like Steele wants all of his players regardless of position to make 3 point shots correct? Is that accurate?

It's been abundantly clear to me that Steele has been trying to copy the new age Villanova style since he took over. The way he plays offense and the recruits he is bringing in has me convinced. Tired of watching our big guys stand on the perimeter, and tired of not being able to throw the ball into a back to the bucket guy that can get some points around the rim. I'm also convinced part of his sales pitch to get the job was his ability to sell the AD on actually making us "like Villanova".

All you have to do is look at the recruiting pipeline to know that he's pretty much going on all-in on this concept. He recruits point guards, shooting guards, and tall, skinny big men who like to shoot 3s. Getting a banging power forward who can score, rebound and play physical doesn't seem to be a priority, when it seems to be the crucial piece missing in the formula.

He has mentioned in some articles we need to get tougher and have a more physical presence in the Big East, but part of me believes he just thinks the current guys have to get stronger, not that we need to supplement the roster with the next Tyrique Jones.

He LOVES the big man that stands on the 3 point line.

[Xavier]

One of the things that I guess is overlooked with Nova- almost all of there players (guards) are strong and can post up. They all do a great job of getting in the lane and posting up there defender as guards...then all sorts of motion happens around them so they can dish, etc. It is just so valuable that any of them can back weak guard defenders down and be successful in the post.

I guess it seems easy to look at Nova and think to be like them we need a lot of shooters but the reality is that is just a small part of the offense. It certainly didn't seem like they were chucking 3's vs Baylor at least.

I think Jones can certainly have good success posting his defender up. Scruggs is great at it, too.

[xukeith]

It's been abundantly clear to me that Steele has been trying to copy the new age Villanova style since he took over. The way he plays offense and the recruits he is bringing in has me convinced. Tired of watching our big guys stand on the perimeter, and tired of not being able to throw the ball into a back to the bucket guy that can get some points around the rim. I'm also convinced part of his sales pitch to get the job was his ability to sell the AD on actually making us "like Villanova".

All you have to do is look at the recruiting pipeline to know that he's pretty much going on all-in on this concept. He recruits point guards, shooting guards, and tall, skinny big men who like to shoot 3s. Getting a banging power forward who can score, rebound and play physical doesn't seem to be a priority, when it seems to be the crucial piece missing in the formula.

He has mentioned in some articles we need to get tougher and have a more physical presence in the Big East, but part of me believes he just thinks the current guys have to get stronger, not that we need to supplement the roster with the next Tyrique Jones.

He LOVES the big man that stands on the 3 point line.

Steele is pretty adamant on rebounding and being physically better than opposition. I don't think VU is always a solid rebounding squad. Yheir schtick is make a ton of good open shots, pass the ball a lot.

[UCGRAD4X]

One of the things that I guess is overlooked with Nova- almost all of there players (guards) are strong and can post up. They all do a great job of getting in the lane and posting up there defender as guards...then all sorts of motion happens around them so they can dish, etc. It is just so valuable that any of them can back weak guard defenders down and be successful in the post.

I guess it seems easy to look at Nova and think to be like them we need a lot of shooters but the reality is that is just a small part of the offense. It certainly didn't seem like they were chucking 3's vs Baylor at least.

I think Jones can certainly have good success posting his defender up. Scruggs is great at it, too.

After they missed a bunch they seemed to abandon the three altogether. Their game plan seemed to change completely.
That is one reason TS with never be GQ.

[Lloyd Braun]

Would you take Cole Swider?

[94GRAD]

would you take cole swider?

fuck yes!

[Xavier]

Man, Just saw St. Johns now has 6 players entering the transfer portal....after a 16-11 year, more promising future than in awhile. IF Kyky is staying, only having one rotational player transfer is kind of surprising given the thoughts around here on Steele.

[xudash]

Would you take Cole Swider?

That's is an outstanding question. I have paid particular attention to him ever since we (apparently) lost him in a recruiting battle with Nova.

He can shoot it, but I've seen him miss on a number of occasions as well, but the most dominate observation I have about him is that he isn't all that athletic; he appears to be a step slow on defense. Maybe that's just me wishing that we had him on our roster.

[drudy23]

That's is an outstanding question. I have paid particular attention to him ever since we (apparently) lost him in a recruiting battle with Nova.

He can shoot it, but I've seen him miss on a number of occasions as well, but the most dominate observation I have about him is that he isn't all that athletic; he appears to be a step slow on defense. Maybe that's just me wishing that we had him on our roster.

He fits in with all the talent around him, but not so sure he'd ever be your 1 or 2 because of what you mentioned above, especially in the Big East.

He is a very smart player, however, which makes up for some of his physical deficiencies.

[Xville]

Would you take Cole Swider?

Hard pass. Watched him a bunch and nothing about his game impresses me. Unathletic guy who doesn’t use his size to his advantage. He’s do great in the mac

[Smails]

I was beyond pissed when we lost out on him to Nova, but I'm not sure we want a non-rebounding, below average defending 4 on the roster.

[bleedXblue]

I was beyond pissed when we lost out on him to Nova, but I'm not sure we want a non-rebounding, below average defending 4 on the roster.

Hard pass on Swider if we are actually looking to improve

This team is sorely lack athleticism in a big way

[whopper]

swider is similar size and skill to Welage. Honestly as bad as everybody thought Welage was(defense and reb) look at the St Johns game, Auburn game, IUPUI and Depaul Game and realize we have not had that kind of shooter since Trevon but we may need more help on boards and post than Swider can provide.

[xuphan]

swider is similar size and skill to Welage. Honestly as bad as everybody thought Welage was(defense and reb) look at the St Johns game, Auburn game, IUPUI and Depaul Game and realize we have not had that kind of shooter since Trevon but we may need more help on boards and post than Swider can provide.

A lot of options in the transfer portal for Steele. Interesting which big fish he brings in. Tournament or bust.

[xavierj]

This is a big loss for Creighton.

https://mobile.twitter.com/chris_bishop13

[drudy23]

Swider is right down Steele's alley. Big guy shooter that stands on the 3 point line the whole game.

[bleedXblue]

Swider is right down Steele's alley. Big guy shooter that stands on the 3 point line the whole game.

exactly have ZERO interest in a player like him

[bleedXblue]

This is a big loss for Creighton.

https://mobile.twitter.com/chris_bishop13

Wow, I thought he was going to the NBA....not transferring.

[xuphan]

exactly have ZERO interest in a player like him

Anyone remember Tre King from EKU? The 6’9 forward who had his way with Freemantle at the Cintas last year? Apparently he is in the transfer portal and Steele has reached out to him.

[Xville]

Anyone remember Tre King from EKU? The 6’9 forward who had his way with Freemantle at the Cintas last year? Apparently he is in the transfer portal and Steele has reached out to him.

Yep...I’ll take him and bishop :)

[BandDad]

I'll take Bishop all day long. Guy doesn't jump out at you with his ability but he just gets the job done!

[drudy23]

Bishop is a baller. He's exactly the type of player this team needs. Isn't there a rule on intra-conference transfers? Even if there's not, I can't see any Big East guys staying in the Big East.

[xu82]

I’m all for players having the right to transfer. If coaches can leave, why not players? If the situation isn’t right for them, they should be able to move on without penalty.

Having said that, I see this ability to transfer and increasing frequency of transfers likely causing me to enjoy “my team” less as it can become so fluid I don’t build that same connection and “bond” with my team. It seems like the right thing, and it ruins a good thing for me. It’s very confusing!

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I’m all for players having the right to transfer. If coaches can leave, why not players? If the situation isn’t right for them, they should be able to move on without penalty.

Having said that, I see this ability to transfer and increasing frequency of transfers likely causing me to enjoy “my team” less as it can become so fluid I don’t build that same connection and “bond” with my team. It seems like the right thing, and it ruins a good thing for me. It’s very confusing!

Kind of similar to what free agency did to baseball. Good for the individual players but caused disconnect with many fans.

[UCGRAD4X]

Kind of similar to what free agency did to baseball. Good for the individual players but caused disconnect with many fans.

Yup. That's when I went from listening to Marty & Joe religiously, watching box scores and generally giving a shit, to, well, not.

[noteggs]

This whole portal thing is just crazy this year. Read article that stated there are 1200 players in and could rise to about 1/3 of the D1 players on scholarship.

[Xville]

This whole portal thing is just crazy this year. Read article that stated there are 1200 players in and could rise to about 1/3 of the D1 players on scholarship.

How many of those I wonder are seniors who would have exhausted their eligibility if not for this weird year, which by the way I think is stupid they are getting another year but whatever.

[noteggs]

How many of those I wonder are seniors who would have exhausted their eligibility if not for this weird year, which by the way I think is stupid they are getting another year but whatever.

Great question. I have no idea and would be interesting to see numbers.

[xu82]

Kind of similar to what free agency did to baseball. Good for the individual players but caused disconnect with many fans.

Even the NFL turnover is hard to keep up with. You hope to keep your core guys, but with the reduced salary cap due to Covid this year that gets even harder. It seems most signings are one year deals these days, which feels a bit like college hoops.

I want what’s best for “the kids”, even if I lose interest to some degree.

[xuphan]

This whole portal thing is just crazy this year. Read article that stated there are 1200 players in and could rise to about 1/3 of the D1 players on scholarship.

If coaches are allowed to break their contracts and move around whenever they choose, so should players.

[XUGRAD80]

If coaches are allowed to break their contracts and move around whenever they choose, so should players.


They are “breaking” their contracts. Their contracts are structured in such a way that they can “buy” their way out of it. The scholarship contracts that the players have are not structured the same way. Maybe they should be, but they aren’t.

[xuphan]

They are “breaking” their contracts. Their contracts are structured in such a way that they can “buy” their way out of it. The scholarship contracts that the players have are not structured the same way. Maybe they should be, but they aren’t.

In transfer news

6’9 post player Aaron Wheeler will transfer from Purdue to St. John’s. Xavier was one of the finalists.

6’6 wing Au’Diese Toney will transfer from Pitt to Arkansas. Xavier was in on him early and was heavily recruited by Xavier.

Will be interesting to see if any dominos fall Xaviers way in the next couple of days.

[XUGRAD80]

How many of those I wonder are seniors who would have exhausted their eligibility if not for this weird year, which by the way I think is stupid they are getting another year but whatever.

A LOT! Probably right around 20%. Plus there are some players that have decided to transfer after a senior decided to come back for another year. But there’s still around 80% of the transfers that are not seniors and are just trying to take advantage of the situation and opportunity to move on without having to sit out..

[IM4X]

In transfer news

6’9 post player Aaron Wheeler will transfer from Purdue to St. John’s. Xavier was one of the finalists.

6’6 wing Au’Diese Toney will transfer from Pitt to Arkansas. Xavier was in on him early and was heavily recruited by Xavier.

Will be interesting to see if any dominos fall Xaviers way in the next couple of days.

Steele and Hayes have to get at least one big one to fall. Not much left in the cabinet to use in the post next year but Free, Miles and Stanley (assuming he is healed and ready to go). The two freshmen may be able to help but you just can’t count on it.

[UCGRAD4X]

In transfer news

6’9 post player Aaron Wheeler will transfer from Purdue to St. John’s. Xavier was one of the finalists.

6’6 wing Au’Diese Toney will transfer from Pitt to Arkansas. Xavier was in on him early and was heavily recruited by Xavier.

Will be interesting to see if any dominos fall Xaviers way in the next couple of days.

Here we go again. Shades of Mack. Tired of always being the bridesmaid.

In poker, second place is worse than last. At least you have capital for the next hand.

[xavierj]

Here we go again. Shades of Mack. Tired of always being the bridesmaid.

In poker, second place is worse than last. At least you have capital for the next hand.

He is not a guy Xavier wanted. He isnÂ’t very good. 3.9 pts per game and really doesnÂ’t do much. Surprised St. JohnÂ’s took him. Thought he was more horizon league type guy.

[xuphan]

He is not a guy Xavier wanted. He isnÂ’t very good. 3.9 pts per game and really doesnÂ’t do much. Surprised St. JohnÂ’s took him. Thought he was more horizon league type guy.

Xavier has reached out to MSU guard Rocket Watts. Seems like a good player but struggled last year at MSU.

[Xville]

Xavier has reached out to MSU guard Rocket Watts. Seems like a good player but struggled last year at MSU.

I’d love to hear steeles explanation for why he wants a 6’2 guy who can’t shoot. There is already one on the roster.

[XUGRAD80]

Xavier has reached out to MSU guard Rocket Watts. Seems like a good player but struggled last year at MSU.

I seem to remember that X and MSU were both in his final 2-3 when he came out of HS.

[xuphan]

I’d love to hear steeles explanation for why he wants a 6’2 guy who can’t shoot. There is already one on the roster.

Seems like a combo guard who had a similar game to Scruggs. I think him or franklin would be an upgrade to Scruggs if Paul decides not to come back.

[xuphan]

I seem to remember that X and MSU were both in his final 2-3 when he came out of HS.

I have a strange feeling he will end up at Louisville when it is all said and done. I thought X was third on his list after Michigan and Michigan State coming out of high school.

[Xville]

Seems like a combo guard who had a similar game to Scruggs. I think him or franklin would be an upgrade to Scruggs if Paul decides not to come back.

Franklin ok i can get behind, he's actually good and can shoot and would be a good compliment to Odom. There is zero chance of him coming to X though. Watts is a poor man's Odom and is a bad fit with the current roster.

[bleedXblue]

Franklin ok i can get behind, he's actually good and can shoot and would be a good compliment to Odom. There is zero chance of him coming to X though. Watts is a poor man's Odom and is a bad fit with the current roster.

Steele simply offers and/or has interest in EVERY transfer with a pulse

[drudy23]

Steele simply offers and/or has interest in EVERY transfer with a pulse

Yes - it's odd. Not sure you can really be recruiting to a success profile if your net is cast to everyone. As I've mentioned numerous times, I'll believe change when I see it. Not much seems to be different yet.

[xavierj]

Xavier has reached out to MSU guard Rocket Watts. Seems like a good player but struggled last year at MSU.

I would be surprised if Xavier is all that interested in adding a guard. Expect a couple of forwards or maybe a forward and a center.

[xuphan]

I would be surprised if Xavier is all that interested in adding a guard. Expect a couple of forwards or maybe a forward and a center.

We have Odom Kunkel, and Johnson currently as our guards for next year. I think Steele would like to add some depth to the guard position.

[xavierj]

We have Odom Kunkel, and Johnson currently as our guards for next year. I think Steele would like to add some depth to the guard position.

Scruggs? Looks like they would rather add a guard for the 22 class. Not looking for one year guys any more. The guys they add through the portal will be two or three year guys. Again I would be surprised if they add a guard through the portal but you never know. I fully expect Scruggs back. They don’t need 5 or 6 guards competing for playing time. Jones will also play some guard. I think they are looking for a big who can shoot and also attach the basket as well as a power forward who can play inside on both ends. I think they are involved with a big from Boston College and the forward from Furman. I know they contacted Franklin but don’t anticipate that but could be wrong.

[xuphan]

Scruggs?

Has Scruggs said he is coming back?

[Masterofreality]

At this point Steele is just shotgunning everybody, pissing off his current players and has no idea how to meld these guys together.
I’m getting more pissed by the day.

[xavierj]

At this point Steele is just shotgunning everybody, pissing off his current players and has no idea how to meld these guys together.
I’m getting more pissed by the day.

Weird that players are pissed. Haven’t heard that. I mean two guys want to come back for a fifth year. You don’t think a coach should try to add talent to the team? If so that is interesting. They need a good power forward. They are fine at the guard spots. When wilcher was concerned he wouldn’t play as much as he would like he left, which created a need to add at least one more guy. You also have two freshman that you have no idea what to expect so a coach would be dumb not to add some pieces. Hell the Arkansas coach does nothing but add transfers each year and seems to be working for him. Xavier is not alone in being active in the portal. You should probably learn to accept it. The college landscape has changed.

[xavierj]

Has Scruggs said he is coming back?

Not that I am aware of. But think it’s obvious he will.

[xuphan]

Scruggs? Looks like they would rather add a guard for the 22 class. Not looking for one year guys any more. The guys they add through the portal will be two or three year guys. Again I would be surprised if they add a guard through the portal but you never know. I fully expect Scruggs back. They don’t need 5 or 6 guards competing for playing time. Jones will also play some guard. I think they are looking for a big who can shoot and also attach the basket as well as a power forward who can play inside on both ends. I think they are involved with a big from Boston College and the forward from Furman. I know they contacted Franklin but don’t anticipate that but could be wrong.

Who cares about the 22 class. Steele needs to win and win big this year or he will be out. He needs to get the best players available whether it pisses others off or not. This includes adding a combo guard that can compete in the Big East. Oh well if it pisses off Kunkel. We fans deserve to be back in the NCAA tournament. Especially when Steele is telling transfers that they are the missing link needed to make Xavier a final four team. You also seem very confident in Scruggs coming back with no obvious link or source to prove it.

[Xavier]

Weird that players are pissed. Haven’t heard that. I mean two guys want to come back for a fifth year.... Xavier is not alone in being active in the portal. You should probably learn to accept it. The college landscape has changed.

Yep. A few weeks ago the board was up in arms about how many people were transferring out. I said be prepared because this transfer thing will be ongoing so long as the rule is changed for good. Then we found out Johnson wants to come back, Scruggs is leaning to coming back, and rumor that KyKy might be back as well. If somehow X escapes with only losing one Freshman rotational player (Wilcher) then that speaks volumes about the relationship they have with coach.

Regardless, it is wild wild west with transfers this year. If Both KyKY and Scruggs decide not to come back- I would hope Travis has reached out to some guard replacements. Travis is absolutely not alone in "casting a wide net". Its a completely new wrinkle in recruiting/team building and coaches will have to get adjusted to it. I don't know why that would make someone mad.

[drudy23]

I don't think people are unwilling to accept transfer culture - I think the rub is that there doesn't seem to be a plan to land a certain skill-set or player. It's just....random and wide.

I don't know, maybe that's how everyone does it. Doesn't seem very efficient and would seem to make managing it even harder if 15 guys are interested and you're only looking for 2 spots. I know you have to have more applicants than open positions, but normally you pinpoint some skills and fit criteria first.

What happens when most of the guys interested don't really fit the need? "Oh, I was just kidding"

[Xavier]

That is a fair point. I think being the first year of this transfer thing- it feels like such a free for all and Travis probably feels like he just doesn't want to miss out. When these kids say they "heard from___" who knows how detailed it was. Maybe just an assistant reaching out and seeing how he was feeling. I just think it is a completely new wrinkle and coaches will take some adjusting to it and someone in Travis position (one last year to prove himself) is scrambling to get the best possible talent he can.

[drudy23]

That is a fair point. I think being the first year of this transfer thing- it feels like such a free for all and Travis probably feels like he just doesn't want to miss out. When these kids say they "heard from___" who knows how detailed it was. Maybe just an assistant reaching out and seeing how he was feeling. I just think it is a completely new wrinkle and coaches will take some adjusting to it and someone in Travis position (one last year to prove himself) is scrambling to get the best possible talent he can.

Maybe so - but there is some risk in that approach with your current players.

[AviatorX]

Transfer portal is treating BE COY Mike Anderson pretty harshly.

[xuphan]

Maybe so - but there is some risk in that approach with your current players.

He seems ok with this risk though. He brought in Kunkel and Johnson even though he had Wilcher, Tandy, and Scruggs at the SG spot. Wilcher’s own comments after he transferred made it sound like Steele told him he wouldn’t recruit over him at guard position and Steele ultimately recruited over him.

[drudy23]

He seems ok with this risk though. He brought in Kunkel and Johnson even though he had Wilcher, Tandy, and Scruggs at the SG spot. Wilcher’s own comments after he transferred made it sound like Steele told him he wouldn’t recruit over him at guard position and Steele ultimately recruited over him.

Well him being ok with it doesn't necessarily mean it won't end up poorly for him. In some ways, this path has already led to that.

Who here would rather have Kunkel over Wilcher and KyKy? Kunkel's a decent role player, but Wilcher and KyKy were foundations of recruiting classes.

[IM4X]

Well him being ok with it doesn't necessarily mean it won't end up poorly for him. In some ways, this path has already led to that.

Who here would rather have Kunkel over Wilcher and KyKy? Kunkel's a decent role player, but Wilcher and KyKy were foundations of recruiting classes.

Acfually, I think Kunkel moves a little better on offense without the ball. He doesn’t always just look to get open so he can take a shot - he moves to help create space for his teammates and he has it in mind who he can pass to when he drives. He has more of the Gonzaga mentality which a lot of X players don’t seem to have.

This is something I hope Steele has recognized (especially after watch how well Gonzaga moves and passes on offense). It is like second nature to them. If Travis just watches tapes of Gonzaga, he could really learn a bit of why Gonzaga is so damn good - beyond the talent of the players.

[Xavier]

It is kind of hard to say, I can see both sides to KyKy vs Kunkel- and we didn't really get enough time from Wilcher at a guard position to even know, unfortunately. I didn't really love him at the 4 though. I think he could be pretty strong at the 2 or 3. I was looking forward to seeing that shot for the next 3 years.

[xuphan]

It is kind of hard to say, I can see both sides to KyKy vs Kunkel- and we didn't really get enough time from Wilcher at a guard position to even know, unfortunately. I didn't really love him at the 4 though. I think he could be pretty strong at the 2 or 3. I was looking forward to seeing that shot for the next 3 years.

Jason Carter is headed back to Ohio

[bobbiemcgee]

Jason Carter is headed back to Ohio

Guessing he wasn't swamped with offers.

[MHettel]

Jason Carter is headed back to Ohio

What in the 2020 is that?

Has that ever happened? Ever?

If he lights up the MAC with 20-10 I'm gonna fire Steele myself

[JEHARDI]

Who cares about the 22 class. Steele needs to win and win big this year or he will be out. He needs to get the best players available whether it pisses others off or not. This includes adding a combo guard that can compete in the Big East. Oh well if it pisses off Kunkel. We fans deserve to be back in the NCAA tournament. Especially when Steele is telling transfers that they are the missing link needed to make Xavier a final four team. You also seem very confident in Scruggs coming back with no obvious link or source to prove it.

“He needs to win big or he is out” Really; says who?

[JEHARDI]

At this point Steele is just shotgunning everybody, pissing off his current players and has no idea how to meld these guys together.
I’m getting more pissed by the day.

Enlighten us please, which current players is he pissing off?

[Xville]

What in the 2020 is that?

Has that ever happened? Ever?

If he lights up the MAC with 20-10 I'm gonna fire Steele myself

He’s a mac level player, of course he is going to light it up.

Him going back to Ohio is kind of hilarious.

[xuphan]

“He needs to win big or he is out” Really; says who?

Everyone who cares about the direction of this program.

[xavierj]

Everyone who cares about the direction of this program.

Which is also untrue. You should probably make “Travis has to win next year or he is fired” as your signature since you say it with pretty much every post. The truth is on the outside, a lot of people think that, but in reality probably has very little chance of happening. To throw it out there with every post is really a waste of time. But if it helps you, knock yourself out.

I think true fans just hope he figures it out and we don’t have to make a change anytime soon. I would much rather have a coach here 15 to 20 years who makes multiple trips to the final 4. I think everyone, including Travis, knows the results need to be much better.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Jason Carter is headed back to Ohio

“You know, a lot of people go to college for seven years”

“I know... they’re called doctors”

[Xville]

Which is also untrue. You should probably make “Travis has to win next year or he is fired” as your signature since you say it with pretty much every post. The truth is on the outside, a lot of people think that, but in reality probably has very little chance of happening. To throw it out there with every post is really a waste of time. But if it helps you, knock yourself out.

I think true fans just hope he figures it out and we don’t have to make a change anytime soon. I would much rather have a coach here 15 to 20 years who makes multiple trips to the final 4. I think everyone, including Travis, knows the results need to be much better.

If he doesn’t make the tourney next year and is not fired, I’d seriously question the administration’s goals for the basketball program. If they want to be seton hall, let us know so I can stop giving a crap.

[xudash]

Which is also untrue. You should probably make “Travis has to win next year or he is fired” as your signature since you say it with pretty much every post. The truth is on the outside, a lot of people think that, but in reality probably has very little chance of happening. To throw it out there with every post is really a waste of time. But if it helps you, knock yourself out.

I think true fans just hope he figures it out and we don’t have to make a change anytime soon. I would much rather have a coach here 15 to 20 years who makes multiple trips to the final 4. I think everyone, including Travis, knows the results need to be much better.

+1

Best of luck to Jason. Talk about going full circle. Probably the most appropriate “ending“ for an episode with a player that is possible.

[D-West & PO-Z]

“He needs to win big or he is out” Really; says who?

I'm not sire about winning big, but making the tournament is an absolute necessity and bare minimum for next year, especially with your top 6 scorers coming back.

Steele misses the tourney next year I would be all for a change. I can't imagine his seat not being piping hot at the very least.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If he doesn’t make the tourney next year and is not fired, I’d seriously question the administration’s goals for the basketball program. If they want to be seton hall, let us know so I can stop giving a crap.

Yeah I tend to agree with this. I can't think of any reasonable excuse for missing the tournament next year. I view myself as a fairly reasonable fan. I think it would be very reasonable for Steele to be out if Xavier misses the tourney for again with the talent they have returning.

[xuphan]

Which is also untrue. You should probably make “Travis has to win next year or he is fired” as your signature since you say it with pretty much every post. The truth is on the outside, a lot of people think that, but in reality probably has very little chance of happening. To throw it out there with every post is really a waste of time. But if it helps you, knock yourself out.

I think true fans just hope he figures it out and we don’t have to make a change anytime soon. I would much rather have a coach here 15 to 20 years who makes multiple trips to the final 4. I think everyone, including Travis, knows the results need to be much better.



True fans want him to succeed. I want him to succeed. I also want this program to succeed which it hasn’t during Steele’s first three years in charge. Call me skeptical but I will be critical on Steele until he gets the team dancing if at all. He deserves it after the last three years of this team being mediocre. True fans would want him out if he doesn’t make the tournament next year. If they don’t, they have no ambition for the program.

[whopper]

i am not in love with Steele but i will offer a reminder..if Gillespie gets called for a block and not Naj for an offensive foul we are in tournament in 19, and if we stop Baldwin's shot (or Nze gets called for the most illegal screen ever which allowed the shot) we are in the tournament in 20. This year was the farthest away and when you look at GTown in big east tournament it was a pipe dream to call us a favorite in that reg season game. The Butler loss in BET was the worst(we were up 6 with under 2 to play!) but no path to tournament with 2 more wins(Creigton and whomever). I do agree with criticism of Steele's front court rotation however (and my my handle Whopper you can see that i will give any slow white player benefit of the doubt)

[xukeith]

Coach K has McDonald's all Americans sitting the bench. Same with tons of other coaches. Because a player isn't playing does not mean the coach is bad or poor. You can't squeeze talent out of a turnip. Sometimes players just don't fit a style and you can't force a style around one player. . Recruiting is not an exact science. It is a lot of luck and years of planning.
Every basketball coach swings and misses with recruits. It is part of the system.

[xuphan]

Coach K has McDonald's all Americans sitting the bench. Same with tons of other coaches. Because a player isn't playing does not mean the coach is bad or poor. You can't squeeze talent out of a turnip. Sometimes players just don't fit a style and you can't force a style around one player. . Recruiting is not an exact science. It is a lot of luck and years of planning.
Every basketball coach swings and misses with recruits. It is part of the system.

100% agree on the recruiting part. That’s why I scratch my head when other on here talk about how great a recruiter Steele is. Ok, so how does his “great” recruiting skills make this team an NCAA tournament team? It doesn’t. He still had to be good at the Xs and Os and game management which he has not been since he has been here. Recruiting and signing top talent might help mask coaching deficiencies but it’s not always the case. I use Calipari as an example. He is a top level recruiter with poor coaching skills. He always has a roster of Burger boys and top level talent but he doesn’t always make it to the NCAA tournament. Look at this year for example. With the roster he had, he should have made the tournament and he didn’t because he can’t coach.

[bjf123]

Two questions. There’s something like 1,200 players in the portal, mostly due to not having to sit out a year. How many tended to enter the portal in prior years?

Also, any more to the rumor that KyKy might be coming back? With Scruggs returning, I’m thinking the odds of that went down.


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[XUGRAD80]

Two questions. There’s something like 1,200 players in the portal, mostly due to not having to sit out a year. How many tended to enter the portal in prior years?

Also, any more to the rumor that KyKy might be coming back? With Scruggs returning, I’m thinking the odds of that went down.


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There was right around 1000 total last year.

[MHettel]

I think true fans just hope he figures it out and we don’t have to make a change anytime soon. I would much rather have a coach here 15 to 20 years who makes multiple trips to the final 4. I think everyone, including Travis, knows the results need to be much better.

Look, I dont care how logical your argument is, the minute that you categorize fans into groups of "true" fans and "not true" (or is it "fake?") fans you'll lose me everytime.

And then of course, the TRUE fans are going to share YOUR opinion. Hilarious.

[IM4X]

i am not in love with Steele but i will offer a reminder..if Gillespie gets called for a block and not Naj for an offensive foul we are in tournament in 19, and if we stop Baldwin's shot (or Nze gets called for the most illegal screen ever which allowed the shot) we are in the tournament in 20. This year was the farthest away and when you look at GTown in big east tournament it was a pipe dream to call us a favorite in that reg season game. The Butler loss in BET was the worst(we were up 6 with under 2 to play!) but no path to tournament with 2 more wins(Creigton and whomever). I do agree with criticism of Steele's front court rotation however (and my my handle Whopper you can see that i will give any slow white player benefit of the doubt)

These examples show both how close we were to getting in the tournament under Steele and also how we end up on the wrong side. Not enough of the problem areas were getting the attention they needed. It is why the past three years have been so frustrating. We all could point to dozens of mistakes or bad decisions by this coach that put the team into a difficult position to win games.

If we could see he is capable of consistent improvement and he was continuing to make better decisions (like he did in the Creighton game), fans would be feeling better now. Unfortunately, he finished the season with a barrage of really bad coaching decisions. The worst of the bunch (as you pointed out) was his last game where it was a must win situation against Butler. No way any previous coach at X losses that game after being up by so much at half.

Steele really needs to own more of the bad results than he has made. He has his moments where he looks like he is figuring it out and then... WHAM! He goes back to his old ways. Is he capable of seeing and owning his mistakes so he can get better? One can only hope.

[xavierj]

Look, I dont care how logical your argument is, the minute that you categorize fans into groups of "true" fans and "not true" (or is it "fake?") fans you'll lose me everytime.

And then of course, the TRUE fans are going to share YOUR opinion. Hilarious.

Can you be any more conceited? Maybe I should have said logical fans would love to see Travis turn this around and not include every post with he should be fired. But do whatever you have to do.

[JTG]

These examples show both how close we were to getting in the tournament under Steele and also how we end up on the wrong side. Not enough of the problem areas were getting the attention they needed. It is why the past three years have been so frustrating. We all could point to dozens of mistakes or bad decisions by this coach that put the team into a difficult position to win games.

If we could see he is capable of consistent improvement and he was continuing to make better decisions (like he did in the Creighton game), fans would be feeling better now. Unfortunately, he finished the season with a barrage of really bad coaching decisions. The worst of the bunch (as you pointed out) was his last game where it was a must win situation against Butler. No way any previous coach at X losses that game after being up by so much at half.

Steele really needs to own more of the bad results than he has made. He has his moments where he looks like he is figuring it out and then... WHAM! He goes back to his old ways. Is he capable of seeing and owning his mistakes so he can get better? One can only hope.

It's more than obvious he has no help on the bench. Dante doesn't know squat, Graves was a cadaver on the bench. And apparently the other 2 had nothing to offer. That's why he NEEDS an old head, who he trusts, on the bench (Dino). If not him , then another older guy who is no longer climbing the ladder, and is satisfied to be the wise old owl.

[bjf123]

It's more than obvious he has no help on the bench. Dante doesn't know squat, Graves was a cadaver on the bench. And apparently the other 2 had nothing to offer. That's why he NEEDS an old head, who he trusts, on the bench (Dino). If not him , then another older guy who is no longer climbing the ladder, and is satisfied to be the wise old owl.

Works for me. Don’t think it will happen, though.


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[Lloyd Braun]

Swider to Syracuse. Perfect fit...

[XUBison]

Can you be any more conceited? Maybe I should have said logical fans would love to see Travis turn this around and not include every post with he should be fired. But do whatever you have to do.

This made me laugh. I tend to think of you as one of our most “conceited” posters, in good company with our resident Charles Lindbergh. I mean, you are often posting with an absolute certainty, as though you have inside knowledge. Yet whenever pushed on your assertions, you sheepishly admit they’re based on nothing more than your own conjecture. No worries here, good for you for coming strong with your opinions. You are truly a logically true fan.

[XUGRAD80]

To get this thread back on point and bring it back to players in the transfer portal....I give you Tre Hill for Eastern KY University.

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/tre-king-hearing-from-big-east-and-acc-programs


You might remember that he went for 25 points and 13 rebounds against X in a November game that X won. 6-9 and 225 lbs from Lexington, Ky

[drudy23]

To get this thread back on point and bring it back to players in the transfer portal....I give you Tre Hill for Eastern KY University.

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/tre-king-hearing-from-big-east-and-acc-programs


You might remember that he went for 25 points and 13 rebounds against X in a November game that X won. 6-9 and 225 lbs from Lexington, Ky

At least he's the right profile of the guy we need. Although I'd like to see his rebounding numbers a little higher, he seems like a guy that has the potential to be a double-double guy every night in the paint, which is what we need.

[Xavier]

I saw on twitter that nearly 3.5 players per team are in the transfer portal, over 25% of all D1 players are transferring and that number will still grow.

Xavier has lost Ramsay, Kyky, and Wilcher. (I know some think KyKy may return, we will see). Seems to be right in line with the average school

[XUGRAD80]

At least he's the right profile of the guy we need. Although I'd like to see his rebounding numbers a little higher, he seems like a guy that has the potential to be a double-double guy every night in the paint, which is what we need.

In that same game, Free had 24/13. Its so hard to know how a lower level players stats will translate to the BE, but at least there is some familiarity and there is lots of film to look at from their past season.

Something for everyone to keep in mind is that there is a lot of video on 99% of the transfers, while there is darn little on many of the HS players. Makes evaluating the HS players really tough. While nothing is a sure thing, having something to look at besides highlight vids makes it a little less of a crapshoot.

[UCGRAD4X]

I saw on twitter that nearly 3.5 players per team are in the transfer portal, over 25% of all D1 players are transferring and that number will still grow.

Xavier has lost Ramsay, Kyky, and Wilcher. (I know some think KyKy may return, we will see). Seems to be right in line with the average school

So, the good new is, we are only going to lose another 1/2 a player before all is said and done.

[MHettel]

So, the good new is, we are only going to lose another 1/2 a player before all is said and done.

that was Carter.

[xavierj]

Not a transfer but this wouldn’t be bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/endless_motor/status/1379221913327833091

[Xville]

Not a transfer but this wouldn’t be bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/endless_motor/status/1379221913327833091

X just had basically the same guy and that guy was apparently lied to.

[xavierj]

X just had basically the same guy and that guy was apparently lied to.

They he a 6’7” 215 pound wing/forward? Must have missed that guy. He is a Wisconsin kid so probably end up at Marquette with Shaka.

[IM4X]

Not a transfer but this wouldn’t be bad.

https://mobile.twitter.com/endless_motor/status/1379221913327833091

He doesn’t exactly look like he plays above the rim much, but looks to have a nice, soft touch. Not sure if would solve our issues with rebounding and defending in the paint. He looks more like 6’5 1/2 instead of 6’ 7” unless he grew since the videos (which I guess is possible.

[IM4X]

To get this thread back on point and bring it back to players in the transfer portal....I give you Tre Hill for Eastern KY University.

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/tre-king-hearing-from-big-east-and-acc-programs


You might remember that he went for 25 points and 13 rebounds against X in a November game that X won. 6-9 and 225 lbs from Lexington, Ky


I did not remember he did that against X. I really like his size and I love what he said...

“I believe my best skill set is versatility, my ability to play multiple positions on the floor as well as guard multiple positions," King said

If He really can really do this well then he may just be the stopper we were looking for.

[Xville]

They he a 6’7” 215 pound wing/forward? Must have missed that guy. He is a Wisconsin kid so probably end up at Marquette with Shaka.

Where did you see 6’7. I saw in two places him being listed at 6’5

[xavierj]

Where did you see 6’7. I saw in two places him being listed at 6’5

https://247sports.com/player/david-joplin-46050550/

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/david-joplin-210559

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/243201/david-joplin

[xavierj]

He doesn’t exactly look like he plays above the rim much, but looks to have a nice, soft touch. Not sure if would solve our issues with rebounding and defending in the paint. He looks more like 6’5 1/2 instead of 6’ 7” unless he grew since the videos (which I guess is possible.

He looks pretty athletic in the video in this article.

https://hookemheadlines.com/2020/08/16/impact-of-commitment-from-3-star-pf-david-joplin-to-texas-basketball/

[Xville]

https://247sports.com/player/david-joplin-46050550/

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/david-joplin-210559

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/243201/david-joplin

Thanks! Weird I must have saw links to old profiles because I saw on 24/7 6’5 190. Anyways, better I guess especially if he is still growing. One thing last night that one of the analysts picked up on and said “they know where the weight room is..” that comes with upperclassmen and development

[xavierj]

Thanks! Weird I must have saw links to old profiles because I saw on 24/7 6’5 190. Anyways, better I guess especially if he is still growing. One thing last night that one of the analysts picked up on and said “they know where the weight room is..” that comes with upperclassmen and development

I agree. I think that is why Baylor won. The were much stronger and more physical than Gonzaga.

[IM4X]

He looks pretty athletic in the video in this article.

https://hookemheadlines.com/2020/08/16/impact-of-commitment-from-3-star-pf-david-joplin-to-texas-basketball/

That’s more like it. Looks quite a bit more athletic, showing he can can throw it down, play some defend and block shots. Thanks for sharing. I still think I am most impressed with his decision making with the ball and his soft touch. Looks like he is very comfortable and capable in scoring in a multitude of ways

[XUGRAD80]

Daniel Ramsey is transferring to Tennessee Tech. Wish him good health and the best of luck.

[Olsingledigit]

Daniel Ramsey is transferring to Tennessee Tech. Wish him good health and the best of luck.

Ditto. I wish him the best and ThX for his efforts at X

[xu82]

Best wishes for Mr Ramsey. Thank you for all your hard work.

[IM4X]

I don’t think a lot of transfers look here often for “best of luck” wishes, but when they do they do it while drinking Dos Equis.

Stay Thirsty Daniel Ramsey! Best of luck to you!

[MHettel]

Daniel Ramsey is transferring to Tennessee Tech. Wish him good health and the best of luck.

I'm very interested to see how the next few years unfold for Ramsey. It seems like there was never any OFFICAL word from the program about his physical condition, but all we heard was that he wasn't able to play. I dont think he was a medical redshirt as a Freshman.

So, the fact that he was able to transfer to another program tells me that he either a) convinced them that he was healthy, or b) they are just super desperate to get a warm body and were willing to take the risk.

If its "a", and Ramsey puts up some numbers as a productive big then I'll be pissed (again) that we've given up early on another guy. If it's "b", then at least that explains why he didnt play although it DOESNT explain why we recruited a guy with KNOWN, PERMANENT leg issues in the first place...

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'm very interested to see how the next few years unfold for Ramsey. It seems like there was never any OFFICAL word from the program about his physical condition, but all we heard was that he wasn't able to play. I dont think he was a medical redshirt as a Freshman.

So, the fact that he was able to transfer to another program tells me that he either a) convinced them that he was healthy, or b) they are just super desperate to get a warm body and were willing to take the risk.

If its "a", and Ramsey puts up some numbers as a productive big then I'll be pissed (again) that we've given up early on another guy. If it's "b", then at least that explains why he didnt play although it DOESNT explain why we recruited a guy with KNOWN, PERMANENT leg issues in the first place...

When you say "another" who are the previous players you are referencing?

[paulxu]

I guess there should be a lot more in the portal this year because of the extra year of eligibility granted.

Did that extra year go to just seniors? Or all players this year?

[MADXSTER]

i guess there should be a lot more in the portal this year because of the extra year of eligibility granted.

Did that extra year go to just seniors? Or all players this year?

all players

[paulxu]

Thanks.