Transfer Portal

[xukeith]

Tre King 6’9 220 pound forward from EKU who scored 20 something and got 13 rebounds steals and blocks against X in December .
He is getting attention.
Ppg 14.5 rebounds 6.5

[Xville]

Arman Franklin going to Virginia... interesting choice.

[JTG]

Who's the top target X is after ?

[Masterofreality]

Who's the top target X is after ?

Jack Nunge. 6:11 big from Iowa. But 2 knee surgeries? Eeeeek.

[Smails]

Jack Nunge. 6:11 big from Iowa. But 2 knee surgeries? Eeeeek.

I would like this get. Major conference experience, played behind and practiced against the best big man in the country. Averaged 7 point, 5 boards and one block in 15 min/game and his offensive rebounding numbers are very nice. 6'11-245

[Masterofreality]

Same town & High School as Dedrick Finn

[GoMuskies]

What's his stance on pugnapping?

[DfinnsDog10]

What's his stance on pugnapping?

Seems like a real dog snatcher if you ask me.

[MADXSTER]

Same town & High School as Dedrick Finn

Wasn't Dedrick from New Castle??

[xukeith]

Wasn't Dedrick from New Castle??

Yes

[xudash]

I would like this get. Major conference experience, played behind and practiced against the best big man in the country. Averaged 7 point, 5 boards and one block in 15 min/game and his offensive rebounding numbers are very nice. 6'11-245

A casual glance at the Iowa message board indicates a high level of respect for the young man. They regret losing him.

Maybe we get lucky and he stays healthy.

[xu82]

A casual glance at the Iowa message board indicates a high level of respect for the young man. They regret losing him.

Maybe we get lucky and he stays healthy.

In a sick sort of way it’s a nice reminder that we are not the only program who frets over losing players or gets nervous after every nice run a coach has in the NCAA’s.

[xuphan]

A casual glance at the Iowa message board indicates a high level of respect for the young man. They regret losing him.

Maybe we get lucky and he stays healthy.

Are we done in the portal or are we still looking for a stretch 4?

[xavierj]

Are we done in the portal or are we still looking for a stretch 4?

Would imagine they are done for the most part. The big they got isn’t some big unathletic stiff. Part of his game when healthy is his athleticism. Can face up and shoot it and can also put it on the floor and get to the basket. So he can probably play the 4 and the 5 if he is healthy. They are at 12 now and all probably think they can play.

[UCGRAD4X]

Said he often played the 4 with Garza.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Post 1 in this thread said Steele would be swimming in the portal. He got one player. He lost three players. I would have thought we would be looking 4-5 new players also but it’s only 2 freshman and 1 transfer. For what has been a crazy year, it feels like a normal off season for us.

Edit to write that I think only one new guy to contribute.

[Lloyd Braun]

Tre King to Georgetown. Quality addition for them

[xukeith]

Tre King to Georgetown. Quality addition for them

That is a very solid get by Hoyas.

I wish X got him but I am surprised of all King's suitors, Georgetown got him. Wow.

[Xville]

Tre King to Georgetown. Quality addition for them

Dang...good for the league but he’s someone I would have liked to add.

[whopper]

Stanley is essentially a "new guy" and Kyky coming back is kind of a "new guy" as he was written off Feb 1. Look at Stanley's 40 point game against Howard and you will see that very little offense was called for him..I am impressed as a bit of accidental offense..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt2g5Gpwxgk

[XUGRAD80]

I’ve been watching the transfer portal and looking at it daily. So far there has not been a great influx of players into the BE, but there have been some real quality players added. King is the latest, but I doubt he will be the last.

[Xville]

Kessler picked Auburn....odd choice. I guess Pearl gave him the largest bag of money.

[xavierj]

Kessler picked Auburn....odd choice. I guess Pearl gave him the largest bag of money.

He lives about an hour from Auburn so not totally out of left field.

[xu82]

He lives about an hour from Auburn so not totally out of left field.

So, Pearl didn’t have to drive too far to deliver the large bag of money???


:-)

Went to the X game at Auburn a few years back when we lost in OT. It’s actually a very nice campus. Went with an Auburn grad, but I still gave him the ride back to Atlanta since he was being civil.

[Xville]

He lives about an hour from Auburn so not totally out of left field.

It’s pretty damn odd when several members of his family went and played for Georgia. Plus, it’s effing Auburn...I mean ok they have had some decent seasons since pearl came since he cheats his ass off, but that school will forever and always be a football school.

[xudash]

It’s pretty damn odd when several members of his family went and played for Georgia. Plus, it’s effing Auburn...I mean ok they have had some decent seasons since pearl came since he cheats his ass off, but that school will forever and always be a football school.

No doubt.

Hell, the spring football games down here are more important to many than basketball season, but that’s their problem, not ours.

[xu82]

No doubt.

Hell, the spring football games down here are more important to many than basketball season, but that’s their problem, not ours.

The X game I went to there a few years ago was VERY well attended.......by Xavier fans.

[XUGRAD80]

Well it’s official at the close of the NCAA council meetings today.....Everyone is allowed to transfer this year without having to sit out AND moving forward players will be allowed to transfer as undergrads 1X with out having to sit a year. Grad transfers will also continue to be able to transfer without sitting out. This new rule will effect basketball and football primarily, but also effects men’s hockey and baseball. It’s already been the rule in the other sports.

Time to start a new thread on what the effects of this new rule might be in the future....

[murray87]

The true 4 year player that we get to watch from freshman year to tears and cheers on Senior Night are going to get quite rare.

[paulxu]

Got to keep Sister Rose's streak alive. It may be the only one left...if it still is.

[xubrew]

Haven't been keeping up with this thread, but I just wanted to say this about the portal in general...

It was mainly created so compliances officers would have less paperwork. I'm not really kidding. I don't think that was the only driving factor, but I think it was a major one. Instead of doing 15 million permissions to contact, anyone that wanted to could enter the portal and have blanket permission to contact.

The statements that I will never forget are the ones that went like this...

"Well only coaches and administrators will have access to the portal, so it'll never be any sort of a media frenzy."

GOOD CALL GUYS!!!! I'm far from the smartest guy in the world, but even I knew that anybody in the media that's worth anything at all would be able to get SOMEONE'S login credentials so they could see who was in the portal.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

For the NCAA to move to have one transfer exempt from sitting out, they would have one off-season like this. That they get to be rid of it this season and couple it with Covid19 is a gift for them.

[MHettel]

Wondering aloud...

why only provide a 1 time exemption? Why cant a kid transfer 3 different times and play at 4 different schools?

What's the rationale?

The logic we are using to allow you to do it once, isn't as logical the second time around?

[xubrew]

Wondering aloud...

why only provide a 1 time exemption? Why cant a kid transfer 3 different times and play at 4 different schools?

What's the rationale?

The logic we are using to allow you to do it once, isn't as logical the second time around?

It’s a good question...

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wondering aloud...

why only provide a 1 time exemption? Why cant a kid transfer 3 different times and play at 4 different schools?

What's the rationale?

The logic we are using to allow you to do it once, isn't as logical the second time around?

I agree there should be no limit.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Also, did anyone else see that they said anyone who has already transferred and they are back in the portal they will need to go through a waiver process to be eligible immediately?

Saw Jeff Borzello tweet that.

So does that Jason Carter needs a waiver to be eligible at OU next year? Or because he transferred as a grad student the first time he is good again this time? Does he need to have earned another degree at X? Did he?

What if a player already had to sit out the last time they transferred and werent eligible immediately? They still need a waiver this time?

I have a lot of questions about this one.

[XUGRAD80]

Also, did anyone else see that they said anyone who has already transferred and they are back in the portal they will need to go through a waiver process to be eligible immediately?

Saw Jeff Borzello tweet that.

So does that Jason Carter needs a waiver to be eligible at OU next year? Or because he transferred as a grad student the first time he is good again this time? Does he need to have earned another degree at X? Did he?

What if a player already had to sit out the last time they transferred and werent eligible immediately? They still need a waiver this time?

I have a lot of questions about this one.

The way I read it....

Everyone got an extra year of eligibility, so nobodies eligibility ran out at the end of the 20-21 season.

Everyone get to transfer this year with no waiver needed. Moving forward, they will all get 1 more transfer with no waiver needed. Haven’t seen anything about those that have already transferred before....edit. See below.

I’m sure that they have looked at every scenario and will have answers for all the questions.

[XUGRAD80]

From SI article...

Current athletes who have already transferred during their careers do not qualify under the new rule—they cannot transfer again and be immediately eligible without filing a waiver. The NCAA will continue using a waiver system for individual transfer requests from athletes who have already moved schools once and are seeking immediate eligibility, but the waiver criteria is expected to be more stringent.

[Xville]

Christian Bishop final 3 of UNC, KU and Texas. Good player and someone I would have liked for X, but dang that's some firepower.

[bleedXblue]

Christian Bishop final 3 of UNC, KU and Texas. Good player and someone I would have liked for X, but dang that's some firepower.

This is the kind of shit that worries me about good, young players. Prior to this year, Bishop really thinking hard about having to sit out a year and delay his opportunity to go pro. So he stays at Creighton, develops another year and likely goes pro after next season.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is the kind of shit that worries me about good, young players. Prior to this year, Bishop really thinking hard about having to sit out a year and delay his opportunity to go pro. So he stays at Creighton, develops another year and likely goes pro after next season.

Yeah, it sucks if someone good transfers from your team, but you can't make it a rule they can't just because selfishly you don't want them to leave your team.

[D-West & PO-Z]

From SI article...

Current athletes who have already transferred during their careers do not qualify under the new rule—they cannot transfer again and be immediately eligible without filing a waiver. The NCAA will continue using a waiver system for individual transfer requests from athletes who have already moved schools once and are seeking immediate eligibility, but the waiver criteria is expected to be more stringent.

So, still wondering about Carter since he was a grad transfer the fist time?

Someone like Mac McClung though, who is transferring again this year, would have to get a waiver to play next year?

[XUGRAD80]

So, still wondering about Carter since he was a grad transfer the fist time?

Someone like Mac McClung though, who is transferring again this year, would have to get a waiver to play next year?

Grad transfers have been immediately eligible for some time now. But it’s still the 4/5 rule. 4 years of eligibility to be used over a 5 year period, unless you’re granted a waiver. They basically just granted a waiver to everyone for this one year and said this past year doesn’t count. It’s a mulligan, a do over.

THIS year....EVERYONE can transfer and be immediately eligible. That’s a separate decision from the new transfer rules. They are doing that as part of the COVID response.

AFTER THIS year, the new rules will go into effect. Which means that IF someone transfers THIS year, and they want to transfer again in the FUTURE, they will need a waiver.

NOBODY will need a waiver to play next year.

[XUGRAD80]

I did read an interesting take from some high level football coaches.....they said that in their opinion they are going to lose many of their backup players that haven’t gotten a lot playing time. They admit that they might get a few of the top players from lower levels, but it’s won’t be great quantities.

Most interesting (IMO) is the estimate that upwards of 39% of the players entering the transfer portal WON’T find a new home and will be left out in the cold.

[xubrew]

Just a point of clarification. There are no new transfer rules yet. Only proposals. We will probably see some new rules very soon, though.

[Lloyd Braun]

Theo John to Duke.... not joking.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Theo John to Duke.... not joking.

Ha, good riddance. Dude played at Marquette for 8 years.

[XUGRAD80]

Just a point of clarification. There are no new transfer rules yet. Only proposals. We will probably see some new rules very soon, though.

Just needs to be ratified by the board on the 28th. Council panel has officially approved the rule changes as of yesterday afternoon at the close of business.

[D-West & PO-Z]

THIS year....EVERYONE can transfer and be immediately eligible. That’s a separate decision from the new transfer rules. They are doing that as part of the COVID response.

.

This is not how I understand it. this article says differently as well.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/sports/ncaabasketball/ncaa-transfer-portal-rule.amp.html

"Some players are giving new meaning to the term “well-traveled.” DePaul guard Charlie Moore entered the portal, and his next college will be his fourth, including previous stops at California and Kansas. Because he is not a first-time transfer, he will need a waiver at his new college, but that is expected to be a formality."

[MHettel]

Theo John to Duke.... not joking.

Ok. Shit is off the rails.

This is EXACTLY why I was against this change.

The "Big boys" are just going to cannibalize the other 300 teams. Recruiting HS players wont even matter. Why put in tons of miles and hours chasing kids all around the country to watch them play against some high school talent? And then wait however long to see if they pick you?

Why not just build your team each year using freshmen and sophs out of the portal? Just pick off the unexpected stars from a team like Akron or ECU or Fordham. Well, maybe Fordham is a bad example.

But this is what I was concerned about. Marquette is not chopped liver. But Duke is Duke.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Marquette is not chopped liver. But Duke is Duke.

Marquette is also not a great example for the point you are trying to make as they are going through a coaching change.

[xubrew]

Ok. Shit is off the rails.

This is EXACTLY why I was against this change.

The "Big boys" are just going to cannibalize the other 300 teams. Recruiting HS players wont even matter. Why put in tons of miles and hours chasing kids all around the country to watch them play against some high school talent? And then wait however long to see if they pick you?

Why not just build your team each year using freshmen and sophs out of the portal? Just pick off the unexpected stars from a team like Akron or ECU or Fordham. Well, maybe Fordham is a bad example.

But this is what I was concerned about. Marquette is not chopped liver. But Duke is Duke.


The other side of the coin is that players who were being recruited over, or forced out, or not having their scholarships renewed were having to sit out a year. That is what constitutes the vast majority of transfers. They've decided it's better to not make players sit, and that good players "transferring up" not having to sit is less shitty than players having to sit after being forced out.

There is also the whole "amateurism" thing that they're trying to hold on to. The NCAA's transfer rules was one of many things that kind of made it hard for them to argue that players are amateurs, which didn't go well. So the changes may be too little too late anyway.

[XUGRAD80]

This is not how I understand it. this article says differently as well.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/sports/ncaabasketball/ncaa-transfer-portal-rule.amp.html

"Some players are giving new meaning to the term “well-traveled.” DePaul guard Charlie Moore entered the portal, and his next college will be his fourth, including previous stops at California and Kansas. Because he is not a first-time transfer, he will need a waiver at his new college, but that is expected to be a formality."

None of the articles I’ve read from other sites and publications mention anything about that restriction. But there also seems to be some confusion on exactly when the new rules will take effect.....immediately or next year. Guess it’s best to wait and see what the NCAA itself says after it is ratified.

[D-West & PO-Z]

None of the articles I’ve read from other sites and publications mention anything about that restriction. But there also seems to be some confusion on exactly when the new rules will take effect.....immediately or next year. Guess it’s best to wait and see what the NCAA itself says after it is ratified.

Doesnt the quote you posted from SI say the exact same thing?

I agree, a lot of confusion. Sounds like even if a waiver required this first time, will just be a formality, but if that is the case why even require it?

[Drew]

Ok. Shit is off the rails.

This is EXACTLY why I was against this change.

The "Big boys" are just going to cannibalize the other 300 teams. Recruiting HS players wont even matter. Why put in tons of miles and hours chasing kids all around the country to watch them play against some high school talent? And then wait however long to see if they pick you?

Why not just build your team each year using freshmen and sophs out of the portal? Just pick off the unexpected stars from a team like Akron or ECU or Fordham. Well, maybe Fordham is a bad example.

But this is what I was concerned about. Marquette is not chopped liver. But Duke is Duke.

Agree with you here. But like another poster said, its pretty hard for "amateurism" and "non-competes" to exist in the same sentence. Hopefully when the dust settles after the new NIL laws etc. people will seriously revisit the chaos the transfer situation is causing.

[XUGRAD80]

Doesnt the quote you posted from SI say the exact same thing?



Not exactly, because that was taken out of context and according to SI is what the rule will be in the FUTURE, not currently. All I’ve been reading for the last month or so is that the NCAA had already said that anyone wishing to transfer this year could do so, and would be granted immediate eligibility. That it was a 1-year exception. A year blanket waiver. That’s what I’ve been reading from virtually every source.

Like I said, there is debate over when exactly the new rule takes effect.....right away, or starting next year? We will have to wait for the official NCAA announcement to be sure. However, I don’t see why they will want to deal with all of the waivers that will be needed if they have to do them on an individual case by case basis. Not with 1500-2000 cases to be investigated and determined. If they have NOT done so already, I can’t imagine them doing anything else but granting a blanket waiver to everyone in the transfer portal by May 1st.

[MHettel]

The other side of the coin is that players who were being recruited over, or forced out, or not having their scholarships renewed were having to sit out a year. That is what constitutes the vast majority of transfers.


Let me sharpen that up for you....

That is what USED TO constitute the vast majority of transfers.

New rules will lead to a new reality. Whatever USED TO be the case is no longer the case.

[xubrew]

Let me sharpen that up for you....

That is what USED TO constitute the vast majority of transfers.

New rules will lead to a new reality. Whatever USED TO be the case is no longer the case.

Um, yes? That is how they wanted it, and why they changed the rule. Most feel it’s a good thing that most transfers aren’t forced upon the players, and that they don’t have to sit out a year after being forced to transfer. The majority of players transferring because they want to and not because they have to is a good thing.

[XUBison]

Um, yes? That is how they wanted it, and why they changed the rule. Most feel it’s a good thing that most transfers aren’t forced upon the players, and that they don’t have to sit out a year after being forced to transfer. The majority of players transferring because they want to and not because they have to is a good thing.

OK, so a couple of questions… “Most“ of whom feel this way? And is there really a case that most players who transferred did so only because they were forced to do so? Is there anything concrete to support that narrative, or is it simply based on conjecture? I thought the prevailing narrative was the NCAA was capitulating on the year-in-residence rule in an effort to protect its amateur status.

Far be it for me to defend the NCAA, but I have a hard time understanding why it is not entitled to set rules that govern its competitive balance. Part of the problem is that we use words like “forced“, when the reality is none of these players are forced to do a damn thing.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Far be it for me to defend the NCAA, but I have a hard time understanding why it is not entitled to set rules that govern its competitive balance. Part of the problem is that we use words like “forced“, when the reality is none of these players are forced to do a damn thing.

1. With the persona the NCAA wants everyone to buy there should never be a time where they concern about "competitive balance" (which really doesnt exist anyway) overrules their concern about the "student athlete".

2. Players are truly forced out every year. Forced off the team, scholarship not renewed etc.

This move was long overdue.

[xubrew]

OK, so a couple of questions… “Most“ of whom feel this way? And is there really a case that most players who transferred did so only because they were forced to do so? Is there anything concrete to support that narrative, or is it simply based on conjecture? I thought the prevailing narrative was the NCAA was capitulating on the year-in-residence rule in an effort to protect its amateur status.

Far be it for me to defend the NCAA, but I have a hard time understanding why it is not entitled to set rules that govern its competitive balance. Part of the problem is that we use words like “forced“, when the reality is none of these players are forced to do a damn thing.

1. Most (nearly all) of the Board of Governors seem to feel that way.

2. Yes, there is actual data that the NCAA collected that shows that just under 2/3rds of men's basketball transfers were doing so because their coaches basically wanted someone else instead.


Something else that most people don't realize. The actual stated reason for the Year in Residency rule was not to try to keep players from transferring. It was actually an academic one. They felt that men's basketball, women's basketball, football, and men's ice hockey were sports that were at an academic risk, and they felt sitting out a year would allow players to become assimilated more easily. Data has pretty much shown this theory to be bunk. It doesn't have any impact on graduation rates or academic performance at all. So, if data has shown that the stated reason for that rule has no actual impact, then why have the rule at all?

[XUGRAD80]

Academic reasons were the explanation when the rule was first put into effect MANY years ago, but I think that was something most people knew was just an excuse. The real reason was to keep teams from stockpiling players and picking good players off of other teams rosters. The one-year sit out rule was just a way for the coaches to keep players from leaving for greener pastures. It will still do the same thing, only there will be ONE TIME exception given. Players will need to use it wisely because they may not get a 2nd chance.

As far as the “forcing” of players out....how is wanting a player to leave by not renewing a scholarship any different from “cutting” a player? Participation in intercollegiate sports is not something that everyone that wants to do, will get the opportunity to do. Some simply don’t have the talent. Aren’t there more players “trying out” for walk-on status every year than get that status? Don’t high schools have cuts? Don’t All-STAR, travel, and national/international teams have cuts? Scholarships are 1-year only contracts, aren’t they? I really don’t see anything wrong with a coach telling a player that they won’t “make the team” and won’t have their scholarship renewed. But when that happens.....

Something I would add to the new rules is that when the above happens...where the coach is the one that chooses to not renew the scholarship for a player.....that the player be granted an automatic waiver and be allowed to transfer with immediate eligibility elsewhere, even if they have already transferred before. That only seems fair to me.

Id also get rid of the 5 years rule, where a athlete must use up their 4 years of eligibility within 5 years of their starting date.

[D-West & PO-Z]

As far as the “forcing” of players out....how is wanting a player to leave by not renewing a scholarship any different from “cutting” a player? Participation in intercollegiate sports is not something that everyone that wants to do, will get the opportunity to do. Some simply don’t have the talent. Aren’t there more players “trying out” for walk-on status every year than get that status? Don’t high schools have cuts? Don’t All-STAR, travel, and national/international teams have cuts? Scholarships are 1-year only contracts, aren’t they? I really don’t see anything wrong with a coach telling a player that they won’t “make the team” and won’t have their scholarship renewed. But when that happens.....



Yeah, I don't think anyone is saying anything is wrong with that. It is done all the time, Xavier has done it many times. It is just good now the player won't be punished when it happens and have to sit out. Well, at least as long as it doesnt happen at their second stop.

This reasoning is the exact same reason why if players want to leave to transfer up because their talents have exceeded the school/conference/level of play they are currently at, that they should be able to do so without any obstacles.

Can't say no bid deal when the school does it to their advantage and then cry when the player does it to theirs.

[xubrew]

Academic reasons were the explanation when the rule was first put into effect MANY years ago, but I think that was something most people knew was just an excuse. The real reason was to keep teams from stockpiling players and picking good players off of other teams rosters. The one-year sit out rule was just a way for the coaches to keep players from leaving for greener pastures. It will still do the same thing, only there will be ONE TIME exception given. Players will need to use it wisely because they may not get a 2nd chance.

As far as the “forcing” of players out....how is wanting a player to leave by not renewing a scholarship any different from “cutting” a player? Participation in intercollegiate sports is not something that everyone that wants to do, will get the opportunity to do. Some simply don’t have the talent. Aren’t there more players “trying out” for walk-on status every year than get that status? Don’t high schools have cuts? Don’t All-STAR, travel, and national/international teams have cuts? Scholarships are 1-year only contracts, aren’t they? I really don’t see anything wrong with a coach telling a player that they won’t “make the team” and won’t have their scholarship renewed. But when that happens.....

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I agree. And the fact that they're now being called on that is one of the reasons the rule will almost assuredly change.

[GoMuskies]

Eastern Washington's Groves brothers are relocating to Oklahoma. That sucks for anyone who is a fan of all of college basketball and not just the major conferences. Thank God Xavier is in a major conference now.

[Lloyd Braun]

Getting to know Jerome Hunter (https://iuhoosiers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/jerome-hunter/15062)

Would be much needed size/athleticism on the perimeter.

Committed (https://twitter.com/j_hunter35/status/1396608867530940419?s=21)

[xudash]

Getting to know Jerome Hunter (https://iuhoosiers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/jerome-hunter/15062)

Would be much needed size/athleticism on the perimeter.

Committed (https://twitter.com/j_hunter35/status/1396608867530940419?s=21)

Judging from his rankings and coming from IU, I take it he is considered to be a solid pickup.

[xuphan]

Judging from his rankings and coming from IU, I take it he is considered to be a solid pickup.

Seems like another guy who could be a solid pickup if he stays healthy. Good pickup by Steele and co.

[XUGRAD80]

Excellent! Gives X more options without really effecting the positions of other returning players. Should mean that Tucker can now take the redshirt year he was expecting to take and Xavier has someone that can fill that position this year, while he does.

On paper they have a very solid roster now. On paper.

[xukeith]

Getting to know Jerome Hunter (https://iuhoosiers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/jerome-hunter/15062)

Would be much needed size/athleticism on the perimeter.

Committed (https://twitter.com/j_hunter35/status/1396608867530940419?s=21)

Not a big scorer but he probably will be asked to play defense on opposing team's sg/sf players. Who knows if his leg is healthy.

Speaking of healthy legs, Johnson and Stanley are recovering from surgeries with Nunge (another weak knee candidate.)

[XUGRAD80]

Not a big scorer but he probably will be asked to play defense on opposing team's sg/sf players. Who knows if his leg is healthy.

Speaking of healthy legs, Johnson and Stanley are recovering from surgeries with Nunge (another weak knee candidate.)

2 years off of surgery. He started the last four games of the year and his production seemed to be better the further on the season went. Indicates that his leg is healthy. He averaged 20 a game over the last 2 years of HS in a pretty good central Ohio league and was a top 50 ranked player his senior year. So he has shown the ability to score in the past. Not sure X needs any more scorers, but they certainly need some better D and rebounding toughness, hopefully he can provide that when the starters are off the floor. X has to be concerned with Stanley’s health coming off of major knee surgery though. Seems like a solid pickup that will X some more bench strength at the very least.

[JTG]

I thought we were in on Hunter when he chose IU. He played in Miller's pack line D so he should be familiar with the system, as awful as I think it is.

[bobbiemcgee]

No. 2 player out of Ohio in '18. Possibly 3 yrs. of eligibility. Crowded bench.

[MHettel]

I must say, this one is a head scratcher.

Its the timing of it more than anything. This kid entered the Portal in May and made his pick within a couple weeks. Seems like the Portal "frenzy" started in mid-march and through the tourney. I've seen "rankings" all along, and must assume he would be among the most desirable transfers. So it theory, there would have been an abundance of interest.

ADD IN the fact that our roster is fairly well finalized at this point and he knows there are a bunch of returning players at his position. What kind of recruiting "pitch" could Steele provide? He cannot assure any level of PT, right? I mean, we are gonna have some very talented guys logging a DNP regularly.

maybe Steel is gonna tweak his offense and open it up a little more an play more guys?

Suddenly seems very crowded....

[drudy23]

Never a bad thing to get more talent - could be a bad thing if the coach can't manage it properly. That's what we've seen, especially this past year.

So I guess we'll see. Steele has literally no excuses left in the bag. This team has the talent to be top 20 all year and be in the top 3 of the BE.

[Xville]

He seems to have some talent, nothing wrong with that, but roster and lineup management has been my biggest gripe with Steele since he took over and having 13 (i know paul and nate don't count) scholarship players in this day and age of college basketball makes zero sense and is only going to piss people off.

Johnson
Odom
Scruggs
Miles
Hunter
Tucker
Edwards
Nunge
Tandy
Kunkel
Stanley
Jones
Free

Maybe Tucker really is going to redshirt and/or Johnson and Stanley may not fully be recovered or whatever else.

[GIMMFD]

6'7 is decent size, and obviously was a stud in high school, his rebounding numbers don't wow me, and looks like he takes a few three balls a game, I just hope it's not like Carter shooting them lol. If he can play tough defense on the other team's best player with his size and length he'll be very good to have, I agree with the consensus that this roster is shaping up to be pretty damn good, hopefully Steele can utilize it to it's maximum potential.

[nuts4xu]

If he can play tough defense on the other team's best player with his size and length he'll be very good to have...

From what I have seen of the kid, I would not expect him to play tough defense, and it's less likely he guards the other team's best player. His defense is the weakest part his game.

[bleedXblue]

Never thought I would say adding someone with some talent is a bad thing for the program. This is Steel's MO. See a shiny object and he must have it.

Is he a 3 or 4? More looks like a SF who can shoot some.

[paulxu]

With the allowance for a covid year, seems like some schools are carrying more than 13..and we could too, up to 15.
Sounded like from one article, that IU brought in someone who would end up with his minutes, so he entered portal late.
Then again, the whole transfer thing confuses me.

[XUGRAD80]

6 guards….
2 strong forwards…Freemantle and Nunge
2 centers….Miles and Edwards (neither of whom are proven, are they?)
3 small forwards…….Stanley (coming off major knee surgery), Tucker (who was planning all along to redshirt this freshman year), and Hunter.

Jones would at times last year play the SF position, but he couldn’t really compete with many of the opposing players when it came to size and strength. None of the other guards could either. Even Stanley was at times struggling with it defensively and on the boards. This was the only area of real weakness in the roster, and it has now been addressed. I think that Whilcher was thought to be the answer there, but he bailed.

[XUGRAD80]

He seems to have some talent, nothing wrong with that, but roster and lineup management has been my biggest gripe with Steele since he took over and having 13 (i know paul and nate don't count) scholarship players in this day and age of college basketball makes zero sense and is only going to piss people off.

Johnson
Odom
Scruggs
Miles
Hunter
Tucker
Edwards
Nunge
Tandy
Kunkel
Stanley
Jones
Free

Maybe Tucker really is going to redshirt and/or Johnson and Stanley may not fully be recovered or whatever else.


Who’s it going to piss off? He’s not going to take minutes from anyone else that can really play that position, other than possible some of Stanley’s IF Stanley isn’t fully healthy and ready to go. Tucker will end up redshirting, as they planned all along.

[Xville]

Who’s it going to piss off? He’s not going to take minutes from anyone else that can really play that position, other than possible some of Stanley’s IF Stanley isn’t fully healthy and ready to go. Tucker will end up redshirting, as they planned all along.

Even if tucker redshirts that is 12 people, most have a 7-8 man rotation. I’m all for competition but to me it’s extreme overkill to have that many scholarship basketball players on a roster in this day and age of college basketball. And given that Steele has had roster and lineup issues since he got here, there is a lot of evidence to question his strategy. Adding someone just to add someone makes no sense, and Steele seems to do that quite a bit

[markchal]

there are enough injury question marks that I don't think it hurts to add a 3/4 to the bench. Really though, the season will depend on Nunge staying healthy. Doesn't sound like Hunter is much of a defender/rebounder, but will help stretch the floor a bit. Sounds like a carter replacement. I can't see Edwards or Miles contributing anything next year, so doesn't hurt to have Hunter in the mix.

We'll all spend most of the season stuck in the Kunkel v. Tandy dispute again anyway

[Xville]

there are enough injury question marks that I don't think it hurts to add a 3/4 to the bench. Really though, the season will depend on Nunge staying healthy. Doesn't sound like Hunter is much of a defender/rebounder, but will help stretch the floor a bit. Sounds like a carter replacement. I can't see Edwards or Miles contributing anything next year, so doesn't hurt to have Hunter in the mix.

We'll all spend most of the season stuck in the Kunkel v. Tandy dispute again anyway

If miles isn’t contributing by his third year in the program, what is he doing with a scholarship? I’d hope this season he is in a pretty regular rotation

[xukeith]

If miles isn’t contributing by his third year in the program, what is he doing with a scholarship? I’d hope this season he is in a pretty regular rotation

Barring injuries, I see Odom, Scruggs, Johnson, Freemantle, Nunge, and Jones with the majority of minutes. With so many players coming off knee surgery, let's assume Stanley is significantly under-impressive and Hunter is not able to go 100%, that leaves Edwards, Taylor, Miles, Tandy and Kunkel scrapping for small minutes.

It is looking good but there are always some injury hiccups. Taylor jumped extremely high in rankings in rivals. That may or may not mean something.

The biggest news will be what top guard recruits can teh new coaching staff get from 2022 class this fall. Roster will need top guards post Scruggs and Johnson in 2022-23.

[Xville]

6 guards….
2 strong forwards…Freemantle and Nunge
2 centers….Miles and Edwards (neither of whom are proven, are they?)
3 small forwards…….Stanley (coming off major knee surgery), Tucker (who was planning all along to redshirt this freshman year), and Hunter.

Jones would at times last year play the SF position, but he couldn’t really compete with many of the opposing players when it came to size and strength. None of the other guards could either. Even Stanley was at times struggling with it defensively and on the boards. This was the only area of real weakness in the roster, and it has now been addressed. I think that Whilcher was thought to be the answer there, but he bailed.

Johnson and or Jones will be starting at the 3. This is kind of my point...I don’t see the point in adding hunter...unless he was told hey you are going to be playing very limited minutes next year with the chance to have a significant contribution the following year and he was cool with that, or like wilcher inferred, he was promised something that may not come to fruition.

Nunge great fit and solved a position of need.

Hunter to me was Steele just taking a shiny object, regardless of actual fit which he seems to do a lot.

[XUGRAD80]

Hunter is TWO YEARS away from his leg surgery, next year will make it 3. He played in 30 games 2 years ago, and 25 last year. I’d say he is probably perfectly healthy. Stanley and Nunge are somewhat question marks though. Hunter is not going to be taking minutes from any of the guards, so that’s not even an argument. He is going to back up Freemantle, Nunge, and possibly Stanley…..giving X a 4 man rotation at the FORWARD position and a 6 man rotation at the Forward/Center position. Or perhaps some would prefer the Carter and 4 guards lineup? We have absolutely no way of knowing at this point if Miles will ever be able to contribute, what Edwards and Tucker may bring to the table, or what Stanley will be like post-surgery. This guy does have a track record of playing minutes against Big 10 competition, and holding his own. I’d consider that a significant upgrade over players that can best be described as prospects and suspects, at this point.

Edit…if Jones is starting at a forward position again next year, against the front lines of UConn, Providence, SH, and Gtown, then be prepared for another year of X getting their ass kicked on the boards and down low. X needed SIZE last year. Nunge and Hunter give them some. IMO it’s a perfect pickup that fills a real need. “There’s more to basketball than just scoring the ball.”

[Xville]

Hunter is TWO YEARS away from his leg surgery, next year will make it 3. He played in 30 games 2 years ago, and 25 last year. I’d say he is probably perfectly healthy. Stanley and Nunge are somewhat question marks though. Hunter is not going to be taking minutes from any of the guards, so that’s not even an argument. He is going to back up Freemantle, Nunge, and possibly Stanley…..giving X a 4 man rotation at the FORWARD position and a 6 man rotation at the Forward/Center position. Or perhaps some would prefer the Carter and 4 guards lineup? We have absolutely no way of knowing at this point if Miles will ever be able to contribute, what Edwards and Tucker may bring to the table, or what Stanley will be like post-surgery. This guy does have a track record of playing minutes against Big 10 competition, and holding his own. I’d consider that a significant upgrade over players that can best be described as prospects and suspects, at this point.

Edit…if Jones is starting at a forward position again next year, against the front lines of UConn, Providence, SH, and Gtown, then be prepared for another year of X getting their ass kicked on the boards and down low. X needed SIZE last year. Nunge and Hunter give them some. IMO it’s a perfect pickup that fills a real need. “There’s more to basketball than just scoring the ball.”

Jerome hunter is more of a 3 not a 4 or 5 from what I have seen. He doesn’t love rebounding and is more of a perimeter player from what I have seen of his play. Maybe that’s the discussion steele had with him though...hey this is what we need, I’f you are in, we would love to have you.

[xukeith]

I think there is a chance that Hunter knows his playing minutes rely on one thing: his defense. If he can come off the bench and guard other teams' best 2/3 shooter, that would go a long way in improving X. Remember length of Naji Marshall playing defense. Hunter might play 1/2 as well defensively as Marshall and that still would be better than Kunkel and Tandy playing defense.

[Xville]

Hunter is TWO YEARS away from his leg surgery, next year will make it 3. He played in 30 games 2 years ago, and 25 last year. I’d say he is probably perfectly healthy. Stanley and Nunge are somewhat question marks though. Hunter is not going to be taking minutes from any of the guards, so that’s not even an argument. He is going to back up Freemantle, Nunge, and possibly Stanley…..giving X a 4 man rotation at the FORWARD position and a 6 man rotation at the Forward/Center position. Or perhaps some would prefer the Carter and 4 guards lineup? We have absolutely no way of knowing at this point if Miles will ever be able to contribute, what Edwards and Tucker may bring to the table, or what Stanley will be like post-surgery. This guy does have a track record of playing minutes against Big 10 competition, and holding his own. I’d consider that a significant upgrade over players that can best be described as prospects and suspects, at this point.

Edit…if Jones is starting at a forward position again next year, against the front lines of UConn, Providence, SH, and Gtown, then be prepared for another year of X getting their ass kicked on the boards and down low. X needed SIZE last year. Nunge and Hunter give them some. IMO it’s a perfect pickup that fills a real need. “There’s more to basketball than just scoring the ball.”

Yes there is more to basketball than scoring the ball, so based on what is known about hunter, what does he bring to the table...he’s not a good defender, not a great rebounder and he’s 6’7 215.. not exactly a Mack truck. That’s kind of my whole point. I could be completely offbase here and maybe the guy is going to tear it up next year.... I just have a hard time giving Steele the benefit of the doubt as his results haven’t earned that. We shall see

[xukeith]

Yes there is more to basketball than scoring the ball, so based on what is known about hunter, what does he bring to the table...he’s not a good defender, not a great rebounder and he’s 6’7 215.. not exactly a Mack truck. That’s kind of my whole point. I could be completely offbase here and maybe the guy is going to tear it up next year.... I just have a hard time giving Steele the benefit of the doubt as his results haven’t earned that. We shall see

If you look at his competition for PT, Jones, Johnson, Stanley and maybe the frosh are his competition at the 3 position.

early Odds say : Jones and Johnson getting most sf minutes.

[GIMMFD]

From what I have seen of the kid, I would not expect him to play tough defense, and it's less likely he guards the other team's best player. His defense is the weakest part his game.

Welp, there goes that theory, admittedly I don't know much about him or seen much, I was just hoping with the length he'd be a good defender. Hopefully he can learn to get after it defensively in the off-season.

[XUGRAD80]

Yes there is more to basketball than scoring the ball, so based on what is known about hunter, what does he bring to the table...he’s not a good defender, not a great rebounder and he’s 6’7 215.. not exactly a Mack truck. That’s kind of my whole point. I could be completely offbase here and maybe the guy is going to tear it up next year.... I just have a hard time giving Steele the benefit of the doubt as his results haven’t earned that. We shall see

Where did you get that he’s not a good defender? The Daily Hoosier says he’s not, but Hoosier Now says he battled well down low, especially on Defense. I’ve not seen any other sources that say anything either way.

He was a backup player at IU and will most likely be a BACKUP player for X. But he is basically replacing Ramsey, who was a player that never played. I would consider someone that averaged 20+ minutes a game against BiG 10 competition a step up from a player that got all of about 3 minutes of total playing time last year. He gives them DEPTH at a position of weakness….small forward. He doesn’t have to come in an play 20 minutes a game. He needs to come in an give players a break when they need it, and fill in when a player gets injured or gets into foul trouble. He gives Steele more options than they had last year, that’s all. Is that a bad thing?

[nuts4xu]

If he can play tough defense on the other team's best player with his size and length he'll be very good to have.


If he can come off the bench and guard other teams' best 2/3 shooter, that would go a long way in improving X.


Is there an echo in here?

[Xville]

Where did you get that he’s not a good defender? The Daily Hoosier says he’s not, but Hoosier Now says he battled well down low, especially on Defense. I’ve not seen any other sources that say anything either way.

He was a backup player at IU and will most likely be a BACKUP player for X. But he is basically replacing Ramsey, who was a player that never played. I would consider someone that averaged 20+ minutes a game against BiG 10 competition a step up from a player that got all of about 3 minutes of total playing time last year. He gives them DEPTH at a position of weakness….small forward. He doesn’t have to come in an play 20 minutes a game. He needs to come in an give players a break when they need it, and fill in when a player gets injured or gets into foul trouble. He gives Steele more options than they had last year, that’s all. Is that a bad thing?

He’s not a 4 or a 5, he’s a three, where the team is pretty darn set this year . That’s what I don’t understand. Jones, Johnson will be playing the three, heck even Scruggs will depressing on lineups. I agree that good d, strength, rebounding is something the team lacked last year, he doesn’t fill that void. I have nothing against the kid, and adding him is overall a plus if someone gets hurt, but I think Steele in the past has added shiny objects just to add shiny objects regardless of roster fit, and I think he has also added redundant pieces. I frankly thinks this is another case of that. Hope I’m wrong, the guy ends up being a beast and Steele figures out how to manage a lineup/roster suddenly.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I don't know one way or another, but there are coaches who take Freshmen and transfers to do favors. Steele might have done a favor for someone by giving this kid another chance.

[MHettel]

I don't know one way or another, but there are coaches who take Freshmen and transfers to do favors. Steele might have done a favor for someone by giving this kid another chance.

You kinda sound like you know something....


But also, you kinda sound clueless.

I mean, yeah, if this is a low cost renovation project, then it makes sense. This kid was a top 100 recruit, and after 2 years moves on from what seemed like a good fit? OK. Yeah!

I just dont get it. Maybe the new Coach (Woodson?) decided he didnt like what he saw. Or whatever. We got Crawford and Holloway the EXACT same way.

But I cannot understand why he would transfer TO XAVIER? There is ZERO chance that Steele committed any guaranteed PT. He probably could have gone to 25 schools in the area where he starts for sure. Why go somewhere to be #10 or #11 in the rotation?

This one is just so strange to me. I think this may be the new normal, unfortunately.

I would look at this roster and assume Travis thinks he's got the players and the talent to compete right now. Man, if we go 7-8 deep and let some of these guys wither away, I'm going to be disappointed (again).

Damn, I'm more lost now than ever before. If the strategy changes and we utilize the depth, then GREAT. But, if we go 7-8 deep, I think we have perpetual attrition issues. Gotta play guys to keep them around...

[bobbiemcgee]

I'm inclined to give the kid a shot. I'm sure it was carefully explained to him what he was signing up for. He might have 3 more years of eligibility so maybe he's playing the long game or maybe he thinks he will come in and kick ass.

[waggy]

He's from 2 hrs from X. He brings some size and experience. He'll make the team better. I don't get the drama.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

You kinda sound like you know something....


But also, you kinda sound clueless.

I mean, yeah, if this is a low cost renovation project, then it makes sense. This kid was a top 100 recruit, and after 2 years moves on from what seemed like a good fit? OK. Yeah!

I just dont get it. Maybe the new Coach (Woodson?) decided he didnt like what he saw. Or whatever. We got Crawford and Holloway the EXACT same way.

But I cannot understand why he would transfer TO XAVIER? There is ZERO chance that Steele committed any guaranteed PT. He probably could have gone to 25 schools in the area where he starts for sure. Why go somewhere to be #10 or #11 in the rotation?

This one is just so strange to me. I think this may be the new normal, unfortunately.

I would look at this roster and assume Travis thinks he's got the players and the talent to compete right now. Man, if we go 7-8 deep and let some of these guys wither away, I'm going to be disappointed (again).

Damn, I'm more lost now than ever before. If the strategy changes and we utilize the depth, then GREAT. But, if we go 7-8 deep, I think we have perpetual attrition issues. Gotta play guys to keep them around...

So you don’t think coaches do favors? Like I said before, start talking to AAU guys. I even know a low level D1 coach as well and believe me they absolutely ask and do favors and make calls on people’s behalf.

I don’t know if this is the case but it’s a possibility.

[XUGRAD80]

He’s not a 4 or a 5, he’s a three, where the team is pretty darn set this year . That’s what I don’t understand. Jones, Johnson will be playing the three, heck even Scruggs will depressing on lineups. I agree that good d, strength, rebounding is something the team lacked last year, he doesn’t fill that void. I have nothing against the kid, and adding him is overall a plus if someone gets hurt, but I think Steele in the past has added shiny objects just to add shiny objects regardless of roster fit, and I think he has also added redundant pieces. I frankly thinks this is another case of that. Hope I’m wrong, the guy ends up being a beast and Steele figures out how to manage a lineup/roster suddenly.

What is a “3”?…..means nothing to me as it’s just some artificial way someone came up with to describe positions on a basketball floor. I prefer the “old” way of looking at it……point guard, shooting guard, small forward, power forward, center. He’s a small forward. So is Stanley. So is Tucker. They are the only 3 players on the roster that fit that position. Johnson and Jones are guards, not forwards. They may have been asked to play that position at times, but they really can’t do it well. Too small to compete on the glass. If Xavier wants to go small, they can be used in that position, but only if X wants to go small. If Stanley is healthy, he will start. Hunter will back him up and Tucker will redshirt. Next year Hunter and Tucker will compete for who starts and who backs up. Hunter is brought in purely to be a back up or possible spot starter at this point. He adds depth and flexibility to the roster, so if X wants to go BIG they have the flexibility to do that with an EXPERIENCED player, who has some HEIGHT and BULK at the small forward position. They need the ability to do that in order to compete physically with many of the BE schools.

[Xville]

What is a “3”?…..means nothing to me as it’s just some artificial way someone came up with to describe positions on a basketball floor. I prefer the “old” way of looking at it……point guard, shooting guard, small forward, power forward, center. He’s a small forward. So is Stanley. So is Tucker. They are the only 3 players on the roster that fit that position. Johnson and Jones are guards, not forwards. They may have been asked to play that position at times, but they really can’t do it well. Too small to compete on the glass. If Xavier wants to go small, they can be used in that position, but only if X wants to go small. If Stanley is healthy, he will start. Hunter will back him up and Tucker will redshirt. Next year Hunter and Tucker will compete for who starts and who backs up. Hunter is brought in purely to be a back up or possible spot starter at this point. He adds depth and flexibility to the roster, so if X wants to go BIG they have the flexibility to do that with an EXPERIENCED player, who has some HEIGHT and BULK at the small forward position. They need the ability to do that in order to compete physically with many of the BE schools.

I’ll be beyond shocked that even if healthy Stanley starts...unless Johnson and Jones are both injured. The way I set it, the lineup will be some combo of:

Nunge, free, Scruggs, Johnson, Jones, and odom

[bjf123]

He's from 2 hrs from X. He brings some size and experience. He'll make the team better. I don't get the drama.

It’s a sports message board. Drama is what we do here!


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[XUGRAD80]

I’ll be beyond shocked that even if healthy Stanley starts...unless Johnson and Jones are both injured. The way I set it, the lineup will be some combo of:

Nunge, free, Scruggs, Johnson, Jones, and odom

I see it very different. I think, based on the quotes I’ve read contributed to Steele, that X will try a BIGGER lineup next year.

Free, Nunge, Stanley, Jones, Scruggs in the starting 5. Then they will rotate in various players depending on who needs a rest and if they want to continue to play big, or go small. With Hunter they can sub in for Stanley and still stay big. They can sub in Miles/Edwards for either Free/Nunge. They can sub in an extra guard if they want to go small. Or rotate the other guards…Kunckel, Tandy, Odom, Johnson….into the lineup. I think that if anything, X has too many guards and will have trouble finding playing time for at least 2 of them.

You’re seeing a 3 guard/2 big lineup. I’m seeing a 2 guard/3 bigger/big player lineup. In your lineup there is no room for Hunter. In my lineup there is no room for Tandy.

[Smails]

I don't know one way or another, but there are coaches who take Freshmen and transfers to do favors. Steele might have done a favor for someone by giving this kid another chance.

Coach on the hot seat burns a scholly to do someone a favor? GTFOH.. I'm sure in some situations coaches reach out to do favors, but coach Steele is not in that position. This kid was a 4 star top 60 recruit who Steele recruited heavily out of HS. He's not some charity case whose 3rd cousin's uncle has a 8th grade kid who might be a prospect some day.

[Xavier]

He’s not a 4 or a 5, he’s a three, where the team is pretty darn set this year . That’s what I don’t understand. Jones, Johnson will be playing the three, heck even Scruggs will depressing on lineups. .

I don't think Travis is going with traditional line ups. It feels like he just wants all of his guards to be interchangeable. Even at times having the ability to slide some to the 4, or play taller line up with Scruggs being smallest player on the floor.

I agree with everyone in the sense that Travis roster management has been tough but I am always ok with adding quality players.

[GoMuskies]

"Too much talent" may be an issue, but it's one helluva lot better problem to have than too little talent. As last season ended expecting to lose Johnson, Scruggs, Tandy and Wilcher (and who know who else at that point), I was pretty down on the 21-22 squad's chances. Getting everyone of those guys but Wilcher back and adding the other pieces sure changes the outlook quickly. We may still struggle next year, but it won't be because of lack of talent!

[UCGRAD4X]

"Too much talent" may be an issue, but it's one helluva lot better problem to have than too little talent. As last season ended expecting to lose Johnson, Scruggs, Tandy and Wilcher (and who know who else at that point), I was pretty down on the 21-22 squad's chances. Getting everyone of those guys but Wilcher back and adding the other pieces sure changes the outlook quickly. We may still struggle next year, but it won't be because of lack of talent!

I don't think that is why we struggled under Steele for the last three years. Let's hope with even more talent (subjectively) coaching short-comings will be less of an issue.

I agree with the notion that too much talent is ever a problem. If somebody talented wants to leave, I would hope it means the level of play in front of him is even better.

Then again....

[xukeith]

I see it very different. I think, based on the quotes I’ve read contributed to Steele, that X will try a BIGGER lineup next year.

Free, Nunge, Stanley, Jones, Scruggs in the starting 5. Then they will rotate in various players depending on who needs a rest and if they want to continue to play big, or go small. With Hunter they can sub in for Stanley and still stay big. They can sub in Miles/Edwards for either Free/Nunge. They can sub in an extra guard if they want to go small. Or rotate the other guards…Kunckel, Tandy, Odom, Johnson….into the lineup. I think that if anything, X has too many guards and will have trouble finding playing time for at least 2 of them.

You’re seeing a 3 guard/2 big lineup. I’m seeing a 2 guard/3 bigger/big player lineup. In your lineup there is no room for Hunter. In my lineup there is no room for Tandy.

I would be absolutely shocked if any of this came true.

I think Steele is chasing Villanova with similar long varieties to play. No way Johnson AND Jones both come off the bench. Odom has full reign of pg position.

[xavier513]

I would be absolutely shocked if any of this came true.

I think Steele is chasing Villanova with similar long varieties to play. No way Johnson AND Jones both come off the bench. Odom has full reign of pg position.

I agree 100%. The idea that Steele wants to start three bigs is pretty wild to me.

[XUGRAD80]

“Because I felt like last year I didn't think we had that. I thought it hurt us, that level of physicality ... on both ends of the floor. We'll play a little differently just because our personnel's a little different, but I think the overall theme – we're gonna try to play fast, share the basketball, we want to be a man-to-man defensive team, and I think we're gonna be bigger around the rim defensively which should significantly help our two-point field-goal percentage defense."


From the horses own mouth

[xavier513]

“Because I felt like last year I didn't think we had that. I thought it hurt us, that level of physicality ... on both ends of the floor. We'll play a little differently just because our personnel's a little different, but I think the overall theme – we're gonna try to play fast, share the basketball, we want to be a man-to-man defensive team, and I think we're gonna be bigger around the rim defensively which should significantly help our two-point field-goal percentage defense."


From the horses own mouth

Steele wants better bigs, not to play more of them at the same time. That quote is pretty much just saying how Jack Nunge will be an upgrade over Carter and Griffin.

[XUGRAD80]

“You look at it – Jack's 6-foot-11, 245 pounds. Zach (Freemantle) is gonna be bigger physically, a lot stronger than he was last year and he's 6-9. Dieonte (Miles) has put on another 10 pounds this spring. He's up to 232 and he's 6-10. Then you've got Cesare Edwards, who's 6-10, 225 already. Now all of a sudden you got 6-10, 6-10, 6-11, 6-9. We're big and we have true size now which is good.”

You can assume what you want to assume, and that’s fine. But I’m going to assume (based on what he said here and elsewhere) that there are times where he is going to play more size because of how X has to matchup against certain teams. I’m not saying it’s going to happen all of the time, but I can definitely see certain teams where X needs to put more size on the floor in order to compete. A player like Hunter gives them another option when they want to do that. That’s all, he’s another option that they didn’t have last year when Free got into fouls trouble. Basically they have brought in Nunge to replace what they thought they would get in Miles, Ramsey, and Griffin (and didn’t), and have brought Hunter in to replace what Carter could do.

Gone…Carter, Griffin, Ramsey (and Stanley coming off major knee surgery)
In….Nunge and Hunter
Hoping for improvement….Miles
Freshman coming in…..Edwards and Tucker (and Tucker will probably redshirt).

[drudy23]

New development from transfer culture:

Mid majors are bailing on games with big conference foes for fear that they are simply auditioning for transfer gold. Can't blame them - the game is rigged for the elites.

But at the same time, it will be impossible to build a tourney resume without some of these games.

[94GRAD]

New development from transfer culture:

Mid majors are bailing on games with big conference foes for fear that they are simply auditioning for transfer gold. Can't blame them - the game is rigged for the elites.

But at the same time, it will be impossible to build a tourney resume without some of these games.

This narrative being pushed by John Rothstein is asinine. 1- There is something called Synergy, EVERY game is downloaded so that coaches can scout games. 2- There is no way AD's will turn down buy-game money. 3- Like you said, not playing those games will completely ruin their resume.

[drudy23]

This narrative being pushed by John Rothstein is asinine. 1- There is something called Synergy, EVERY game is downloaded so that coaches can scout games. 2- There is no way AD's will turn down buy-game money. 3- Like you said, not playing those games will completely ruin their resume.

Agreed - but at the same time, if you're a mid major coach with a really good player, you're likely going to lose him especially with more big conference coaches saying the transfer market is more important to them than their recruiting pipeline. Some have even said they're not even going to recruit HS kids anymore. These mid-major coaches have zero control of keeping their best kids, even if they are having great experiences - it has to be frustrating as hell.

Just additional leverage to continue to crush the smaller guys.

[paulxu]

If the majors don't schedule mid-majors for their OOC games, do they just schedule low majors?
Will that hurt their NET?

[xu82]

I never needed to know this before, but do they sell programs at Cintas. I know, I know...I could look on my phone, but there has NEVER been more need for a means to keep up with our roster, especially early in the season.

[xukeith]

I never needed to know this before, but do they sell programs at Cintas. I know, I know...I could look on my phone, but there has NEVER been more need for a means to keep up with our roster, especially early in the season.

Just follow links of players profiled here on the messageboard.

It is all easily accessible rosters and bios for free.

[Xavier]

Agreed - but at the same time, if you're a mid major coach with a really good player, you're likely going to lose him especially with more big conference coaches saying the transfer market is more important to them than their recruiting pipeline. Some have even said they're not even going to recruit HS kids anymore. These mid-major coaches have zero control of keeping their best kids, even if they are having great experiences - it has to be frustrating as hell.

Just additional leverage to continue to crush the smaller guys.


Meh, these coaches will benefit from major programs pushing kids out, too. It goes both ways. While it will be difficult- programs that build a good culture will have the smoothest transition to what the future transfer market may look like (if it is anything like this year).

[MHettel]

https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31515016/mess

Wasnt there someone on this message board that pretty much predicted this exact outcome?

[94GRAD]

https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31515016/mess

Wasnt there someone on this message board that pretty much predicted this exact outcome?

How big of an asshole do you have to be to ask a player who wants to transfer "What's wrong with you?"?

[MHettel]

How big of an asshole do you have to be to ask a player who wants to transfer "What's wrong with you?"?

maybe one with 11 fingers? one for each ring, I suppose.

[Xville]

https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31515016/mess

Wasnt there someone on this message board that pretty much predicted this exact outcome?

He sounds like his usual dick self and whiny baby in that article. A coach can leave for a better opportunity whenever the heck they want without notice. Cry me a river geno with your millions of dollars

[paulxu]

That's rich. He loses 6.5 pts/game and a walk-on, and picks up a 2 time all Big Ten player...and he's bitching.

[Smails]

https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31515016/mess

Wasnt there someone on this message board that pretty much predicted this exact outcome?

Someone predicted that a highly successful, whiny little bitch of a coach would validate his public persona in some poorly written ESPN op-ed piece? Because that's the only true 'outcome' of that article.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Someone predicted that a highly successful, whiny little bitch of a coach would validate his public persona in some poorly written ESPN op-ed piece? Because that's the only true 'outcome' of that article.

Now I don't like the guy, but this year's transfer portal has more to do with the first time players can transfer without sitting than it does about "others" in their ear.

The part that struck me about Geno's piece was the number of players in the portal with nowhere to go. I wonder if that is actually true. This season is a weird one. Seniors can return which takes up roster spots that Freshmen would normally take. You have a ton of players in the portal right now. I would love to know what spots are legitimately left for them take. Will teams with seniors actually take them and have 14-16 players?

[MHettel]

Now I don't like the guy, but this year's transfer portal has more to do with the first time players can transfer without sitting than it does about "others" in their ear.

The part that struck me about Geno's piece was the number of players in the portal with nowhere to go. I wonder if that is actually true. This season is a weird one. Seniors can return which takes up roster spots that Freshmen would normally take. You have a ton of players in the portal right now. I would love to know what spots are legitimately left for them take. Will teams with seniors actually take them and have 14-16 players?

You'd think that an organization that is essentially rooted in Academia could have enlisted the help of at least a few smart people that could have seen the "side effects" from 100 miles away.

We ALREADY have: players transferring out with nowhere to go, Coaches that are moving away from HS recruiting, and small schools unwilling to create a "stage" for their skilled players to audition for a better opportunity.

and nobody saw this coming? We are like 2-3 months into this new world. It s a mess

[GIMMFD]

How big of an asshole do you have to be to ask a player who wants to transfer "What's wrong with you?"?

As big of an asshole that states things along the line of, "all this focus on the student athlete but what about the coaches??"

[ArizonaXUGrad]

You'd think that an organization that is essentially rooted in Academia could have enlisted the help of at least a few smart people that could have seen the "side effects" from 100 miles away.

We ALREADY have: players transferring out with nowhere to go, Coaches that are moving away from HS recruiting, and small schools unwilling to create a "stage" for their skilled players to audition for a better opportunity.

and nobody saw this coming? We are like 2-3 months into this new world. It s a mess

With Seniors allowed to return for another year, we will have a much larger number of players that transfer out with no place to transfer in. Year in year out, you have X number of Freshmen in and Y number of Seniors out. That difference of kids who lose their D1 scholarship is probably low. This year it will be higher especially if the number of teams not going over 13 scholarships remains high. I am going to guess a lot of D1 coaches won't want to exceed that number.

[xu82]

You'd think that an organization that is essentially rooted in Academia could have enlisted the help of at least a few smart people that could have seen the "side effects" from 100 miles away.

We ALREADY have: players transferring out with nowhere to go, Coaches that are moving away from HS recruiting, and small schools unwilling to create a "stage" for their skilled players to audition for a better opportunity.

and nobody saw this coming? We are like 2-3 months into this new world. It s a mess


College basketball has become a game of musical chairs. Best to stay put if you can unless you have a sure thing? Keep your seat, it’s the safest way to go.

The whole thing is just a mess, and quite frankly it makes me care a little less. I doubt I’m alone, and that can’t be a good thing in the long run.


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[ArizonaXUGrad]

College basketball has become a game of musical chairs. Best to stay put if you can unless you have a sure thing? Keep your seat, it’s the safest way to go.

The whole thing is just a mess, and quite frankly it makes me care a little less. In doubt I’m alone, and that can’t be a good thing in the long run.

This is literally the first year of it. After this crazy year, players will get one free transfer and then they have to sit out. You won't see this kind of activity and I bet it shrinks each year going forward.

[XUBison]

College basketball has become a game of musical chairs. Best to stay put if you can unless you have a sure thing? Keep your seat, it’s the safest way to go.

The whole thing is just a mess, and quite frankly it makes me care a little less. In doubt I’m alone, and that can’t be a good thing in the long run.

Agree with all of this.

[IM4X]

Found this article about Hunter leaving IU pretty interesting. Seems to be a bit of unexplained strangeness with his situation (his injury and relationships with coaches there). He never quite clicked or preformed up to expectations. I hope he shows up with a lot to prove and is able to become a key part of X and their improvement.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/indiana/.amp/basketball/indiana-basketball-mike-woodson-jerome-hunter-transfer-didnt-mix

[UCGRAD4X]

Found this article about Hunter leaving IU pretty interesting. Seems to be a bit of unexplained strangeness with his situation (his injury and relationships with coaches there). He never quite clicked or preformed up to expectations. I hope he shows up with a lot to prove and is able to become a key part of X and their improvement.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/indiana/.amp/basketball/indiana-basketball-mike-woodson-jerome-hunter-transfer-didnt-mix

I think some of this is IU justification. Perhaps even a bit sour grapes.

[xukeith]

I think some of this is IU justification. Perhaps even a bit sour grapes.

Reading between the lines, IU new coach doesn't like his shooting numbers. Eh, hope he shows everyone he can shoot .................................................. .better than at IU.

[paulxu]

Crawford went from 9.7/game to 20.5/game.

Hunter 6.3/game to ...............?

[bjf123]

Crawford went from 9.7/game to 20.5/game.

Hunter 6.3/game to ...............?

I like the way you think!


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[atljar]

Crawford went from 9.7/game to 20.5/game.

Hunter 6.3/game to ...............?

The head math says about 13.5ppg. Ill take that

[xukeith]

The head math says about 13.5ppg. Ill take that

I will take it but he might not have enough playing time to score more than 8.

[XU 87]

Hunter was a consensus top 60 recruit out of high school. So I have to think he's got talent.

[xudash]

Hunter was a consensus top 60 recruit out of high school. So I have to think he's got talent.

Yes. And runner-up for Mr. Basketball in Ohio.

One thing we should always consider in these transfer situations is that things happen along the way for these young men. Imagine his aspirations when he landed at IU. Still a name brand and with a B1G pedigree attached to it. And that was with him coming off a stellar prep experience. Yet somewhere along the way with injuries and whatever else, things go awry in Bloomington. On top of all that, a new coaching staff comes in.

Here is the point: HE IS LOOKING AT A FRESH START WITH XAVIER. Most people who are competitive when given a fresh start opportunity usually come in with guns blazing, so to speak. Xavier has come into its own. We still have a NC to win. But if I'm a solid transfer coming into Xavier and I step into the Cintas Center and already know I'm playing in the BE and going to MSG for a BET, I think I'm feeling pretty good about "landing on my feet." I think I just read that somewhere.

[XUGRAD80]

The Big East has scraped its rule against inter conference transfers and will now follow NCAA rules in regard to eligibility.