Scruggs......

[D-West & PO-Z]

......hearing significant chatter Scuggs is going to come back as well.

[drudy23]

He doesn't want to go out like that.

I wonder how much input the players have in some of the change that's needed.

[JTG]

He doesn't want to go out like that.

I wonder how much input the players have in some of the change that's needed.

How old is Skruggs, 30 ?

[XUBANDGRAD]

How old is Skruggs, 30 ?

Lmao - according to wiki he’s 23. Birthday was March 9th. Jimmer fredette was 22 in his last season.

[GoMuskies]

Hell, if Scruggs comes back I'm starting to think about us in the top 25.

However, if Carter comes back I'll start thinking about us in the NIT!

[xuwillie]

Hope he comes back but also hope Odom is our starting pg. Could get interesting

[boozehound]

Hope he comes back but also hope Odom is our starting pg. Could get interesting

Odom really should be the starting PG. Scruggs is not a PG. He just has has to play one because we haven't recruited a decent true PG since ? Sumner?

Scruggs isn't a particularly good ball handler, nor he is particularly quick. He has decent vision and passing ability. He would be much better served playing the 2, IMO. He can focus on getting to the rim and getting open for the occasional 3 pointer.

[xuwillie]

Exactly but you think Johnson and Scruggs will come back and not start? Again, would love for these two back but not at the expense of losing one of our freshman

[Xville]

Tandy not coming back is starting to make a lot more sense now.

[Xuperman]

Tandy not coming back is starting to make a lot more sense now.

Things that make you go whoom?

[XUBANDGRAD]

Exactly but you think Johnson and Scruggs will come back and not start? Again, would love for these two back but not at the expense of losing one of our freshman

It’s not worth the lost development time honestly.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It’s not worth the lost development time honestly.

Of course it is.

1. Theres no guarantee any of the freshman develop into what we think they could.
2. Guys can develop without being starters.
3. You dont pass up talent like Scruggs or Johnson, who already know your system and you know them, for the concern/hope that other guys not as good will get better.
4. You have a legit shot to be a good team with that talent coming back and a tourney team.

Steele can't sacrifice next year for the hope of what might come in 2 years.

1000000000000000% take Nate and Scruggs back all day, everyday.

[XUBANDGRAD]

Of course it is.

1. Theres no guarantee any of the freshman develop into what we think they could.
2. Guys can develop without being starters.
3. You dont pass up talent like Scruggs or Johnson, who already know your system and you know them, for the concern/hope that other guys not as good will get better.
4. You have a legit shot to be a good team with that talent coming back and a tourney team.

Steele can't sacrifice next year for the hope of what might come in 2 years.

1000000000000000% take Nate and Scruggs back all day, everyday.

This is the mentality that has stripped us of players like Doellman, Duncan, Cage, Burrell, Jackson. Short term success vs. development of solid 4 year players that play as a team.

[AviatorX]

This is the mentality that has stripped us of players like Doellman, Duncan, Cage, Burrell, Jackson. Short term success vs. development of solid 4 year players that play as a team.

If Steele isn't approaching next season as win every game at all costs, he is dumber than even MOR thinks he is. We're also living in the free transfer era. That balance has changed.

This doesn't really matter because Jones and Odom already played huge roles, and Wilcher is primed to play one.

[xukeith]

Of course it is.

1. Theres no guarantee any of the freshman develop into what we think they could.
2. Guys can develop without being starters.
3. You dont pass up talent like Scruggs or Johnson, who already know your system and you know them, for the concern/hope that other guys not as good will get better.
4. You have a legit shot to be a good team with that talent coming back and a tourney team.

Steele can't sacrifice next year for the hope of what might come in 2 years.

1000000000000000% take Nate and Scruggs back all day, everyday.

If Scruggs is back, that means Odom or Wilcher time numbers will decrease. Scruggs used to be a deadly threat from 3 point land. His post moves are solid.
If other BE teams have returners like X, won’t X suffer?
We are hoping the other BE teams get worse while X gets better?

[XU 87]

If Steele isn't approaching next season as win every game at all costs, he is dumber than even MOR thinks he is. We're also living in the free transfer era. That balance has changed.


MOR doesn't like Steele?

[XU_Lou]

Tandy not coming back is starting to make a lot more sense now.

Nothing like jumping to conclusions with no inside information, ehhh?

[boozehound]

If Scruggs is back, that means Odom or Wilcher time numbers will decrease. Scruggs used to be a deadly threat from 3 point land. His post moves are solid.
If other BE teams have returners like X, won’t X suffer?
We are hoping the other BE teams get worse while X gets better?

Not to nitpick, but was Scruggs ever really a deadly threat from 3pt range? I have always thought of him as a serviceable to good 3pt shooter when left open and given time, but not a significant threat from 3.

[xuwillie]

He’s a much better 3 than pg but where do you put Jones?

[D-West & PO-Z]

If Steele isn't approaching next season as win every game at all costs, he is dumber than even MOR thinks he is. We're also living in the free transfer era. That balance has changed.

This doesn't really matter because Jones and Odom already played huge roles, and Wilcher is primed to play one.

Exactly this

[Xville]

Not to nitpick, but was Scruggs ever really a deadly threat from 3pt range? I have always thought of him as a serviceable to good 3pt shooter when left open and given time, but not a significant threat from 3.

Might be weird to say but actually a lot more excited about Johnson coming back than Scruggs. I think Scruggs coming back complicates the backcourt.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is the mentality that has stripped us of players like Doellman, Duncan, Cage, Burrell, Jackson. Short term success vs. development of solid 4 year players that play as a team.

Your mentality is to not try to be a really good team next year and instead try and be good 2 years from now? That literally makes no sense.

Doellman, Duncan Cage, Burrell, Jackson didn't all become good because they had no other talent their sophomore years and played all the minutes on a not good team. They gradually became what they became and flourished as upper classmen and especially seniors.

Johnson coming back (and hopefully Scruggs) does nothing to limit those players flourishing the same way as upper classmen.

[xukeith]

Not to nitpick, but was Scruggs ever really a deadly threat from 3pt range? I have always thought of him as a serviceable to good 3pt shooter when left open and given time, but not a significant threat from 3.

Early in the season he was good for 2-3 three pointers. Maybe the defense got stronger...

[D-West & PO-Z]

Might be weird to say but actually a lot more excited about Johnson coming back than Scruggs. I think Scruggs coming back complicates the backcourt.

To be fair I have heard he might be but we don't even really know for sure if he is.

If he is though, you welcome him back for sure. Depth is a good thing (Steele needs to learn how to better use it though).

Imagine Scruggs not coming back and having one injury in our backcourt. We'd be super thin, super quick, especially if the injury was to Odom.

[Xville]

To be fair I have heard he might be but we don't even really know for sure if he is.

If he is though, you welcome him back for sure. Depth is a good thing (Steele needs to learn how to better use it though).

Imagine Scruggs not coming back and having one injury in our backcourt. We'd be super thin, super quick, especially if the injury was to Odom.

Oh I agree you bring him back, Steele has just shown that with too many options managing a lineup is difficult for him

[Xville]

Nothing like jumping to conclusions with no inside information, ehhh?

What conclusions do you think I was jumping to? Your ignorance astounds me.

[profson]

CBB is changing before our eyes and that will accelerate if the free transfer rule passes as expected. One year forward is a lifetime. You maximize for the current/next year and worry about thereafter when it comes. And no coach from a decent program with expectations who has a bubble team will do differently, or possibly sacrifice a single victory, especially he is in what his detractors call a make-it-or-break-it-year.

[xu82]

Not to nitpick, but was Scruggs ever really a deadly threat from 3pt range? I have always thought of him as a serviceable to good 3pt shooter when left open and given time, but not a significant threat from 3.

Yeah, that kinda jumped out at me, too. Maybe in a relative way he looked better than the others?

[xavierj]

If Scruggs is back, that means Odom or Wilcher time numbers will decrease. Scruggs used to be a deadly threat from 3 point land. His post moves are solid.
If other BE teams have returners like X, wonÂ’t X suffer?
We are hoping the other BE teams get worse while X gets better?

WilcherÂ’s PT has nothing to do with Scruggs. Paul is a 1/2 and Witcher a 3/4. If anyone gets there minutes cut it would be Kunkel but he will play about the same as this year I would imagine, maybe a little more. You lose Tandy was getting some time. Odom hopefully will be the guy at the 1. Maybe Xavier plans to bulk Jones up and play him at the 4. Would be a very skilled lineup with Odom, Paul, Johnson, Jones and Free, with whatever big, Kunkel and Wilcher off the Bench plus whatever the freshman show. Good to have options.

[XU_Lou]

What conclusions do you think I was jumping to? Your ignorance astounds me.

Read some of your stupid-ass posts over the past couple of days, dumbass!

[XU 87]

Not to nitpick, but was Scruggs ever really a deadly threat from 3pt range? I have always thought of him as a serviceable to good 3pt shooter when left open and given time, but not a significant threat from 3.

I would concur with that analysis.

[Xville]

Read some of your stupid-ass posts over the past couple of days, dumbass!

Yeah I didn’t assume anything. I could tell you to find one, but you won’t and so you’ll move some goal posts and twist something I said. You keep keeping on though and fight that conspiracy theorist battle!

[xudash]

If Steele isn't approaching next season as win every game at all costs, he is dumber than even MOR thinks he is. We're also living in the free transfer era. That balance has changed.

This doesn't really matter because Jones and Odom already played huge roles, and Wilcher is primed to play one.

Exactly.

In what world is it bad news to read that Paul and Nate are coming back to Victory Parkway?

[xukeith]

WilcherÂ’s PT has nothing to do with Scruggs. Paul is a 1/2 and Witcher a 3/4. If anyone gets there minutes cut it would be Kunkel but he will play about the same as this year I would imagine, maybe a little more. You lose Tandy was getting some time. Odom hopefully will be the guy at the 1. Maybe Xavier plans to bulk Jones up and play him at the 4. Would be a very skilled lineup with Odom, Paul, Johnson, Jones and Free, with whatever big, Kunkel and Wilcher off the Bench plus whatever the freshman show. Good to have options.

How different will this lineup be without Carter? Who is the seal the deal go to guy? Free or Johnson or Scruggs?

[SemajParlor]

It’s not worth the lost development time honestly.

Development time will be less fun going against other teams 5th and 6th year seniors

[XU_Lou]

Yeah I didn’t assume anything. I could tell you to find one, but you won’t and so you’ll move some goal posts and twist something I said. You keep keeping on though and fight that conspiracy theorist battle!

Really, Xville - are that fucking obtuse?!?! Here's a sampling of some of your unhinged remarks:


F Steele...man what a sophomore class...one player out of 4....great job Coach Aluminum. Fire this idiot already


Is this Steele math? Do you think hitting on 1 out of 4 in a recruiting class is seriously fantastic?

I also don't understand why or how people can continue to defend Steele in any way at this point. He has literally put this program from perennial NCAA tournament invitee to perennial NIT bid....this program is at a serious crossroads.

[Xville]

Really, Xville - are that fucking obtuse?!?! Here's a sampling of some of your unhinged remarks:

Shocking response! Yeah that’s not assuming anything..but like I said you keep keeping on

[XU_Lou]

Yeah that’s not assuming anything..those are facts but like I said you keep keeping on

It's "Keep On Keeping On" dumb ass...

[Muskie in dayton]

It's "Keep On Keeping On" dumb ass...
You guys are gonna fuck, aren’t you?!?

[Xville]

Anyhow, back on topic, Scruggs was 37% sophomore and junior year....that’s definitely above average I’d say. Hopefully, he can get back there. In my opinion, he needs to play off the ball even more than he has though.

[Jehoya]

Lmao - according to wiki he’s 23. Birthday was March 9th. Jimmer fredette was 22 in his last season.

Aren’t most seniors in college 22? Referring to Jimmer..

[markchal]

Yeah not even a debate...if Scruggs is going to come back you take him for sure. He was our leader by far and the focus for opposing defenses. I'd start Odom-Scruggs-Nate-Free-Someone big and bring Jones/Kunkel/Wilch/Stanley off the bench. That's a good rotation, everyone knows their roles.

[XUBANDGRAD]

Aren’t most seniors in college 22? Referring to Jimmer..

Normally the BYU guys are a bit older due to their Mormon mission stuff.

[xukeith]

Yeah not even a debate...if Scruggs is going to come back you take him for sure. He was our leader by far and the focus for opposing defenses. I'd start Odom-Scruggs-Nate-Free-Someone big and bring Jones/Kunkel/Wilch/Stanley off the bench. That's a good rotation, everyone knows their roles.

I think this Scruggs rumor is just that. All rumor. He posted Nate's message on Instagram. I say he is not likely back.
As far as depth at the 4/5 position, lets get an athletic big who only dunks and makes 80% from free-throw line.

[Xville]

You’d think Scruggs would kind of like to get on with his life.plus, he can probably go to Europe and make some coin. Probably not a top league player, but still can make some money while playing a game thru his twenties, not bad

[Dblue]

I hope the rumor is true, but won't hold my breath.

I'd gladly take Paul and Nate over taking a chance on new transfers.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I cannot believe that Scruggs would return. Most of the time, these older players just don't want to keep playing with these kids. Scruggs should have a chance to play for money somewhere. That would be a year lost he could do that. Scruggs would turn 24. I would love to see him return but I wouldn't expect it at all.

[JEHARDI]

He doesn't want to go out like that.

I wonder how much input the players have in some of the change that's needed.

Are you serious? You live in an alternate universe.

[boozehound]

I cannot believe that Scruggs would return. Most of the time, these older players just don't want to keep playing with these kids. Scruggs should have a chance to play for money somewhere. That would be a year lost he could do that. Scruggs would turn 24. I would love to see him return but I wouldn't expect it at all.

This is how I will continue to feel unless/until Paul announces that he is coming back. Seems like a total long shot.

[IM4X]

Not to nitpick, but was Scruggs ever really a deadly threat from 3pt range? I have always thought of him as a serviceable to good 3pt shooter when left open and given time, but not a significant threat from 3.

Actually, there was a long stretch one season (thinking two seasons ago) where he was shooting around 40%.

[boozehound]

Actually, there was a long stretch one season (thinking two seasons ago) where he was shooting around 40%.

That genuinely surprises me. I’m sure it helps that he generally doesn’t take 3 pointer unless relatively open, but still it’s better than I thought by about 5%+.

[Backyard Champ]

I think Scruggs is in the moment, give him some time to reflect. I absolutely could see him wanting a real Xavier senior season, with a crowd and proper send off. I could see him wanting to be a key piece in ncaa tourney. In the big picture, Money isn’t everything, and that last year experience/tourney run, can be an outstanding life long memory.

However, it’s still close to the end of the season. I could very easily see him having a change of mind. I even think if he talks to a lot of his ex teammates who are making a living playing basketball, they may encourage him to leave. (Though he hasn’t experienced their college success, so it may be different)

Also- he certainly isn’t a deadly 3 shooter like someone claimed. Without actually knowing his percentage, but watching him play, I’d put him at 37 percent.

[UCGRAD4X]

Scruggs returning...which I doubt...would certainly be an endorsement of Steele. If Paul had a percentage of the frustration for the way the team was managed this year that exists on this board, I think he might even regret coming back this year.

[xavierj]

Scruggs returning...which I doubt...would certainly be an endorsement of Steele. If Paul had a percentage of the frustration for the way the team was managed this year that exists on this board, I think he might even regret coming back this year.

I did not think he would come back but now think it would be a surprise if he didn’t. Should find out this week whenever he has his meeting with Steele. Nate had his yesterday and then it was announced he was returning. At this point would be shocked if 3 of the 4 seniors from last year were not back for next season. The players obviously like Steele more than this board does.

[bleedXblue]

If Scruggs comes back he needs to be the ALPHA DOG. The CLEAR leader. Holding guys accountable on the floor. Demanding the ball in certain situations. Too many times this past year he faded and disappeared in games. You have to want the ball. If the same guy would return, it would be at the expense of someone else developing into this role which this team needs desperately IMHO.

[xuphan]

If Scruggs comes back he needs to be the ALPHA DOG. The CLEAR leader. Holding guys accountable on the floor. Demanding the ball in certain situations. Too many times this past year he faded and disappeared in games. You have to want the ball. If the same guy would return, it would be at the expense of someone else developing into this role which this team needs desperately IMHO.

I might be in the minority but I would be ok if Scruggs did not come back. I appreciate what Paul has done for the program but he seemed to disappear in games where we needed him the most. He wasn’t taking games over or being that alpha dog when the team needed him to be that. With Nate coming back, I am good with Odom, Nate, and Colby starting with CJ and Kunkle backing up the 2,3 spot. Hopefully get a one year grad transfer PG to backup Odom but I don’t want Scruggs hurting CJs minutes next year similar to what happened with Tandy.

[markchal]

I might be in the minority but I would be ok if Scruggs did not come back. I appreciate what Paul has done for the program but he seemed to disappear in games where we needed him the most. He wasn’t taking games over or being that alpha dog when the team needed him to be that. With Nate coming back, I am good with Odom, Nate, and Colby starting with CJ and Kunkle backing up the 2,3 spot. Hopefully get a one year grad transfer PG to backup Odom but I don’t want Scruggs hurting CJs minutes next year similar to what happened with Tandy.

Seemed to disappear? Granted he didn't always play his best after the last covid lockdown but for very large parts of the season he was our best player by far. Once Nate went out, it got pretty easy to gameplan for him, because he can't exactly kick the ball out to Odom/Jones/Carter.

The Creighton game was as big as they get, and he still put up 23/7/5. He also had 20/8/4 in our second biggest win.

[Xavier]

Xavier was certainly at their best when Paul was playing well. What he did in the Creighton game was great. I remember everyone saying they wish Cintas was packed to give Scruggs a real send off, especially after the game he had. Maybe we get a chance to do so next season.

[xuphan]

Seemed to disappear? Granted he didn't always play his best after the last covid lockdown but for very large parts of the season he was our best player by far. Once Nate went out, it got pretty easy to gameplan for him, because he can't exactly kick the ball out to Odom/Jones/Carter.

The Creighton game was as big as they get, and he still put up 23/7/5. He also had 20/8/4 in our second biggest win.

Fair point. I just felt like we needed him to take over down the stretch but he just didn’t do that. Especially during the Big East tournament game. I’ll be ok if he does come back but not at the cost of CJs development.

[bobandtim]

Fair point. I just felt like we needed him to take over down the stretch but he just didn’t do that. Especially during the Big East tournament game. I’ll be ok if he does come back but not at the cost of CJs development.

maybe have scruggs and jones rotate at point with nate at the 3.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I might be in the minority but I would be ok if Scruggs did not come back. I appreciate what Paul has done for the program but he seemed to disappear in games where we needed him the most. He wasn’t taking games over or being that alpha dog when the team needed him to be that. With Nate coming back, I am good with Odom, Nate, and Colby starting with CJ and Kunkle backing up the 2,3 spot. Hopefully get a one year grad transfer PG to backup Odom but I don’t want Scruggs hurting CJs minutes next year similar to what happened with Tandy.

Kyky's mins werent hurt bc anyone was in front of him, he was more talented than most guys on our team. They were hurt bc for whatever reason, Steele didnt trust him.

Scruggs coming back wouldnt hurt anyone's development. Imagine him not coming back, and Odom getting an injury. We'd better find a damn good transfer guard who can bring the ball up if that happened.

I have no idea where this idea came from that depth and not playing every min as a sophomore hurts players development? Odom and CJ had huge roles this year.

[xuwillie]

Kyky's mins werent hurt bc anyone was in front of him, he was more talented than most guys on our team. They were hurt bc for whatever reason, Steele didnt trust him.

Scruggs coming back wouldnt hurt anyone's development. Imagine him not coming back, and Odom getting an injury. We'd better find a damn good transfer guard who can bring the ball up if that happened.

I have no idea where this idea came from that depth and not playing every min as a sophomore hurts players development? Odom and CJ had huge roles this year.

As I mentioned earlier I'd love for him to come back. But...my biggest concern is Steele throwing the same lineup out there. Scruggs is not a pg and should only play a 5-10 minutes at most at that position. What would be your starting lineup if he comes back? You sit Jones?

We have seen this with Steele (why half the board wants hime gone) but now all of a sudden he's going to come to his senses and play the correct lineups?!

[D-West & PO-Z]

As I mentioned earlier I'd love for him to come back. But...my biggest concern is Steele throwing the same lineup out there. Scruggs is not a pg and should only play a 5-10 minutes at most at that position. What would be your starting lineup if he comes back? You sit Jones?

We have seen this with Steele (why half the board wants hime gone) but now all of a sudden he's going to come to his senses and play the correct lineups?!

Scuggs did lead the BE in assists FYI.

Steele has to improve on getting his lineups determined quicker. Hopefully with a real full offseason that is easier to navigate.

However, I think we'd all agree, that our biggest lineup frustration was the amount of minutes Carter got. Also who Carter (a non shooter) was in the game with. That should be a moot point this year.

I couldn't say what I would want the starting lineup to be without seeing what we pick up transfer wise. If we don't pick up a true 5 that can start then I'd probably go pretty "small".

[bleedXblue]

Scuggs did lead the BE in assists FYI.

Steele has to improve on getting his lineups determined quicker. Hopefully with a real full offseason that is easier to navigate.

However, I think we'd all agree, that our biggest lineup frustration was the amount of minutes Carter got. Also who Carter (a non shooter) was in the game with. That should be a moot point this year.

I couldn't say what I would want the starting lineup to be without seeing what we pick up transfer wise. If we don't pick up a true 5 that can start then I'd probably go pretty "small".

If we don't address the post presence in terms of rebounding and shot blocking we are destined to repeat last year

[xavierj]

If we don't address the post presence in terms of rebounding and shot blocking we are destined to repeat last year

Again we lost games because we got nothing out of the 4. Need a productive 4 who is a threat to make outside shots as well so teams don’t do what Butler did and sit 4 guys in the lane and crowd Paul. If we had a 4 that was productive all year the team would still be playing.

[muskieindent]

Glad to have Johnson back.I certainly would take Scruggs and I'm sure Travis would be thrilled to have him.Yes it would take minutes away from the younger guys but if it helps you win, who cares.Scruggs 3 point shot is far better than Odom,who might have the ugliest shot I've seen.Please no more Carter.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If we don't address the post presence in terms of rebounding and shot blocking we are destined to repeat last year

I agree.


Again we lost games because we got nothing out of the 4. Need a productive 4 who is a threat to make outside shots as well so teams don’t do what Butler did and sit 4 guys in the lane and crowd Paul. If we had a 4 that was productive all year the team would still be playing.

The point you are missing is that Freemantle can be our 4. We just need to find a legit 5 in order to shift him to the 4.

We could play Wilcher or maybe even Colby at the 4 but that isnt ideal.

[xukeith]

I agree.



The point you are missing is that Freemantle can be our 4. We just need to find a legit 5 in order to shift him to the 4.

We could play Wilcher or maybe even Colby at the 4 but that isnt ideal.

I imagine if we get a legit 5 who only is productive from 6 feet from the basket, that will limit things offensively.
I imagine the staff might want a big who is comfortable inside and outside.

Not sure which way team will go via big man.

[Mrs. Garrett]

I agree.



The point you are missing is that Freemantle can be our 4. We just need to find a legit 5 in order to shift him to the 4.

We could play Wilcher or maybe even Colby at the 4 but that isnt ideal.

I think what you do with Freemantle is the biggest question. He shouldn't be the 5, but he really doesn't have the skills to be a stretch 4 either. Maybe he develops those skills in the offseason. Maybe Travis moves away from the 1 in 4 out.

[BandDad]

I would be stunned if Scruggs came back, but if he does, it does create some of a logjam for minutes. Based on Steele's comments on getting a big man transfer, I believe the starting lineup would look as follows then.

Odom
Scruggs
Johnson
Freemantle
Big Man Transfer

That means you have the following coming off of the bench: Jones, Wilcher, Kunkel, Stanley.

That means limited minutes for one of the three coming off the bench (Jones, Wilcher and Kunkel) and also means no playing time for Miles or the freshmen.

With Johnson coming back already, the playing time and the cohesiveness of the roster may be better without Paul back.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I would be stunned if Scruggs came back, but if he does, it does create some of a logjam for minutes. Based on Steele's comments on getting a big man transfer, I believe the starting lineup would look as follows then.

Odom
Scruggs
Johnson
Freemantle
Big Man Transfer

That means you have the following coming off of the bench: Jones, Wilcher, Kunkel, Stanley.

That means limited minutes for one of the three coming off the bench (Jones, Wilcher and Kunkel) and also means no playing time for Miles or the freshmen.

With Johnson coming back already, the playing time and the cohesiveness of the roster may be better without Paul back.

I don't care what sort of logjam occurs. If our best player wants to come back, you welcome him with open arms.

[Mrs. Garrett]

I would be stunned if Scruggs came back, but if he does, it does create some of a logjam for minutes. Based on Steele's comments on getting a big man transfer, I believe the starting lineup would look as follows then.

Odom
Scruggs
Johnson
Freemantle
Big Man Transfer

That means you have the following coming off of the bench: Jones, Wilcher, Kunkel, Stanley.

That means limited minutes for one of the three coming off the bench (Jones, Wilcher and Kunkel) and also means no playing time for Miles or the freshmen.

With Johnson coming back already, the playing time and the cohesiveness of the roster may be better without Paul back.

It would be a crime if Jones isn't a starter

[noteggs]

I don't care what sort of logjam occurs. If our best player wants to come back, you welcome him with open arms.

Completely agree with this.

Trying to get my arms around one thing tho. Do we have a log jam now or are we needing a lot of transfer pieces to fill out the roster. Getting mixed messages these days.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Completely agree with this.

Trying to get my arms around one thing tho. Do we have a log jam now or are we needing a lot of transfer pieces to fill out the roster. Getting mixed messages these days.

We definitely need a big man imo.

I dont think we have a logjam anywhere. I think if Scruggs came back we'd have really good depth at the 1-3 spots. But because I think people think Odom, Jones, Scruggs, and Johnson should all start, they decide that is logjam.

If Scruggs doesnt come back and lets say Odom was out with an injury for some length of time, who the hell would run the point?

So even if Scruggs doesnt come back we need a backup PG in off the transfer market imo.

[AviatorX]

It would be a crime if Jones isn't a starter

You could almost see that starting lineup (assuming they are able to land a bruiser rim protecting 5) with Colby coming off the bench yet leading the team in minutes. He could sub in 1-4 and shift guys in either direction basically.

[markchal]

Jones/Kunkel/Wilcher/Stanley is a pretty potent second unit and gives you a lot of flexibility with subs and lineups.

[atljar]

So flame me... but what makes anyone think we will be any more effective next year with a near clone of this years lineup?

[AviatorX]

So flame me... but what makes anyone think we will be any more effective next year with a near clone of this years lineup?

100% a fair point. I think the strongest arguments are that we can expect progress from the three freshman with an actual off-season under their belts, guys like Kunkel will shoot to the back of their baseball cards and there won't be a total anchor/more flexibility at the 4. It also really only got truly ugly this season once Johnson went out - he was a key piece (understatement).

[muskiefan82]

So flame me... but what makes anyone think we will be any more effective next year with a near clone of this years lineup?

No Carter confusing everyone with his minutes

[LOLmickcronin]

So flame me... but what makes anyone think we will be any more effective next year with a near clone of this years lineup?

1. No Carter
2. Giving dwon the keys as a now experienced big East point guard. With a full legit offseason to improve and get better.
3. Whether it’s just Nate or scruggs+Nate with kunkel there will be shooting options and guys that can move the ball.... not to mention options for Odom to kick to since he’s very effective getting in the lane but can’t shoot.
4.Free with another year of getting bigger and stronger and polishing his offensive game AND (hopefully) having a true defensive center to play next to
5. No Carter

[GoMuskies]

So flame me... but what makes anyone think we will be any more effective next year with a near clone of this years lineup?

If all of our freshman improve as much as the reigning Most Improved Player in the Big East did between his freshman and sophomore years, that would lead to a HUGE bump in the team's effectiveness.

And yes, this is a tiny hint of MOR bait in this post.

[noteggs]

We definitely need a big man imo.

I dont think we have a logjam anywhere. I think if Scruggs came back we'd have really good depth at the 1-3 spots. But because I think people think Odom, Jones, Scruggs, and Johnson should all start, they decide that is logjam.

If Scruggs doesnt come back and lets say Odom was out with an injury for some length of time, who the hell would run the point?

So even if Scruggs doesnt come back we need a backup PG in off the transfer market imo.

Agree with this assessment as well. So many moving parts right now with seniors deciding.

Was using sarcasm on last paragraph and not directly at you. One minute someone says log jam then you here we need a bunch of transfers. Interesting times.

[IM4X]

I don't care what sort of logjam occurs. If our best player wants to come back, you welcome him with open arms.

I second this.

Having a plethora of good players is a good problem to have. Maybe it simply means more shared minutes and better results. I absolutely loved our teams with 10+ players who could contribute like the one in 2015-16 that had Tre and JP and Edmund and Myles and Remy and Kaiser and Farr and Jaylen and Rashid and O’Mara... and the ones that followed for the next few years (including Scruggs/Naji and Goodin’s freshman year with Bernard You didn’t sit if you had talent, you just subbed in and out more frequently without much (if any) drop off.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

If Paul doesn't come back then he would 100% be replaced by some transfer. We would need another ball handler to backup Dwon. We'd have the same amount of players but less quality. Not sure why anyone would want a more talented player to leave so we could replace him with a less talented player.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I read on a Bearcat board Saunders lists X as a transfer target. I have no idea how true it is.

[Xavier]

Saw that on Twitter too, a lot of teams reached out to him but Xavier was indeed one of them.

[drudy23]

Do we want him? I mean, what's the point? We have plenty of him already. I don't get it.

[Xavier]

I honestly have no clue about him...I don't even know what position he plays. I just saw he had heard from X, was wondering if any of the UC transfers were worth looking at.

[drudy23]

I honestly have no clue about him...I don't even know what position he plays. I just saw he had heard from X, was wondering if any of the UC transfers were worth looking at.

He's a guard - why would we even make contact? There's no way he jumps off the page as being better than any of our current guards.

He averaged 3.5 points per game and shot 20% from 3.

WHY???????????????????????????

[Xavier]

Just depends- is he a true point guard/ball distributor? If Paul is gone, I guess I could see adding a legit PG that can bring ball up the court as a back up. Overall though no one on UC overly impressed me anyways.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Just depends- is he a true point guard/ball distributor? If Paul is gone, I guess I could see adding a legit PG that can bring ball up the court as a back up. Overall though no one on UC overly impressed me anyways.

Yeah if Scruggs leaves we need a backup PG bad. That being said I dont know a thing about the UC guy.

[XUGRAD80]

Sanders is extremely quick and plays really hard. He didn’t get much playing time until late in the season, but was a real asset over the last 10-12 games, once he got a chance to play. True PG, which other than Odom X doesn’t really have. But I doubt he wants to come to any school and sit the pine as a backup, so I’d be very surprised if he ends up at X.

[BandDad]

I would be stunned if Scruggs came back, but if he does, it does create some of a logjam for minutes. Based on Steele's comments on getting a big man transfer, I believe the starting lineup would look as follows then.

Odom
Scruggs
Johnson
Freemantle
Big Man Transfer

That means you have the following coming off of the bench: Jones, Wilcher, Kunkel, Stanley.

That means limited minutes for one of the three coming off the bench (Jones, Wilcher and Kunkel) and also means no playing time for Miles or the freshmen.

With Johnson coming back already, the playing time and the cohesiveness of the roster may be better without Paul back.

Just want to add one thing with this earlier post. I do love Jones and think he will log a lot of minutes either way and could leave Xavier as a top 10 player or all time. Was just trying to point out that if Scruggs comes back, I don't think he would start over Paul or Nate and I don't think he can start at the 4 yet.

I have tried not to reply to all of the Carter chatter on the board, but the reason he played as many minutes as he did is because he was the only big that could play defense and didn't get torched and he got so many loose balls it was insane. That being said, he was a dumpster fire on offense but you have to be able to get some stops to have a chance to win.

Getting a transfer Big is the key to next season!

[Olsingledigit]

Just want to add one thing with this earlier post. I do love Jones and think he will log a lot of minutes either way and could leave Xavier as a top 10 player or all time. Was just trying to point out that if Scruggs comes back, I don't think he would start over Paul or Nate and I don't think he can start at the 4 yet.

I have tried not to reply to all of the Carter chatter on the board, but the reason he played as many minutes as he did is because he was the only big that could play defense and didn't get torched and he got so many loose balls it was insane. That being said, he was a dumpster fire on offense but you have to be able to get some stops to have a chance to win.

Getting a transfer Big is the key to next season!

I have been as critical as anyone about Carter's play (or lack thereof), but as a person he seems to be a very fine one and I am proud that he will be a Xavier graduate. Having said that, I realize the take on his defense but I have to question the coaching to allow him to take 12 or 13 shots in that Butler game (and hit only 3 of them). It has been said he took that many shots because they gave the shots to him, with obvious good reason. But the coaches should have figured a way to make sure he did not shoot or get him out of the game, defense notwithstanding. Sometimes you have to just outscore the other team. Butler was a team you could get away with that.

[drudy23]

I have been as critical as anyone about Carter's play (or lack thereof), but as a person he seems to be a very fine one and I am proud that he will be a Xavier graduate. Having said that, I realize the take on his defense but I have to question the coaching to allow him to take 12 or 13 shots in that Butler game (and hit only 3 of them). It has been said he took that many shots because they gave the shots to him, with obvious good reason. But the coaches should have figured a way to make sure he did not shoot or get him out of the game, defense notwithstanding. Sometimes you have to just outscore the other team. Butler was a team you could get away with that.

Honestly, as I've said before, I think he could be an important cog in the machine if used correctly. He could absolutely be a serviceable big man off the bench for 10-12 minutes per game doing the dirty work. He's had multiple games of 12-15 rebounds. But if you plant him on the perimeter and put him in a position where we need a decent contribution on offense, then it's just not going to work.

I think the use of Jason Carter has given him a bad name. If he was used as a contributing role player over the last 2 years, he's probably looked at much more favorably.

[Masterofreality]

Honestly, as I've said before, I think he could be an important cog in the machine if used correctly. He could absolutely be a serviceable big man off the bench for 10-12 minutes per game doing the dirty work. He's had multiple games of 12-15 rebounds. But if you plant him on the perimeter and put him in a position where we need a decent contribution on offense, then it's just not going to work.

I think the use of Jason Carter has given him a bad name. If he was used as a contributing role player over the last 2 years, he's probably looked at much more favorably.

Remember Andrew Taylor? Carter is Andrew Taylor

[UCGRAD4X]

Remember Andrew Taylor? Carter is Andrew Taylor

Or maybe another Andy. Last name; Donnelly.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Remember Andrew Taylor? Carter is Andrew Taylor

Only no one ever was dumb enough to play Taylor 30+ minutes a game.

[Drew]

Only no one ever was dumb enough to play Taylor 30+ minutes a game.

I will not tolerate Andrew Taylor slander.

[GoMuskies]

He probably should have played 40 minutes in his last career game vs. Marquette given that he was the only Muskie that didn't play like shit.

[Mrs. Garrett]

I will not tolerate Andrew Taylor slander.

That is clearly Travis Steele slander.

Nice chatting with you Andrew "Drew" Taylor.

[Masterofreality]

Only no one ever was dumb enough to play Taylor 30+ minutes a game.

My point exactly.

I loved Andy Taylor because he worked his ass off for his 8-10 minutes a game. Exactly what Carter should have gotten.

[LOLmickcronin]

Anyone hear any rumors on what scruggs is going to do?

With wilcher leaving it sure would be nice to have him back....

[Masterofreality]

He probably should have played 40 minutes in his last career game vs. Marquette given that he was the only Muskie that didn't play like shit.

This is true. I was at that NCAA game in Cleveland. Buzz Williams just outcoached the hell out of Mack.
And Sherriff Taylor did play awesome that day.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Is Scruggs testing the waters again?

[JTG]

Maybe the Scruggs testing the waters is the reason for the KyKy rethinking and coming back rumors.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Kyky is rethinking?

[xuphan]

Kyky is rethinking?

Any sources or sites reporting either Scruggs or Kyky are coming back? I haven’t seen one to suggest either.

[xavierj]

Any sources or sites reporting either Scruggs or Kyky are coming back? I haven’t seen one to suggest either.

Paul usually knows what he is doing but doesn’t tell anyone. I am sure if Adam Baum asks him he will tell him. Pretty sure he is coming back. Kyky I think wants to come back. Not sure if that will happen

[xuphan]

Paul usually knows what he is doing but doesn’t tell anyone. I am sure if Adam Baum asks him he will tell him. Pretty sure he is coming back. Kyky I think wants to come back. Not sure if that will happen

So you have talked to Paul personally then to feel pretty sure that he is coming back? You think Kyky wants to come back? What have you read or seen to suggest that? Haven’t seen anything mentioned on the rivals page about that.

[mid major]

Remember Andrew Taylor? Carter is Andrew Taylor

Yes MOR, but Taylor had his jersey# retired. :)

[xavierj]

So you have talked to Paul personally then to feel pretty sure that he is coming back? You think Kyky wants to come back? What have you read or seen to suggest that? Haven’t seen anything mentioned on the rivals page about that.

Just using common sense. No I have not talked to Paul. If he wasn’t coming back we would probably know that by now. Xavier is not really recruiting guards so that tells me they feel they are pretty good at that position. If both Paul was not coming back my guess is Xavier would want to add a guard. As for Kyky just have not seen him linked to any other program and heard he really didn’t want to leave any way. I am sure Travis would take him back if he wants to and is 100% bought in. He is talented.

[xuphan]

Just using common sense. No I have not talked to Paul. If he wasn’t coming back we would probably know that by now. Xavier is not really recruiting guards so that tells me they feel they are pretty good at that position. If both Paul was not coming back my guess is Xavier would want to add a guard. As for Kyky just have not seen him linked to any other program and heard he really didn’t want to leave any way. I am sure Travis would take him back if he wants to and is 100% bought in. He is talented.

I thought we were linked with Aarmon Franklin?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I watched Indiana a bit this season, Franklin plays really timid. I am not sure he is the answer. With no Tandy back and no Scruggs, we need another PG.

[xuphan]

I watched Indiana a bit this season, Franklin plays really timid. I am not sure he is the answer. With no Tandy back and no Scruggs, we need another PG.

If Scruggs is coming back, why are we reaching out to Franklin and Watts who are both guards? Watts has a similar game to Scruggs. Does not make sense if Scruggs is indeed coming back.

[drudy23]

If Scruggs is coming back, why are we reaching out to Franklin and Watts who are both guards? Watts has a similar game to Scruggs. Does not make sense if Scruggs is indeed coming back.

Because we have a coach who doesn't seem to have a plan.

[xavierj]

If Scruggs is coming back, why are we reaching out to Franklin and Watts who are both guards? Watts has a similar game to Scruggs. Does not make sense if Scruggs is indeed coming back.

Just because someone reaches out does not mean they are going all out. Also you do realize Franklin and Watts have more than one year right and Scruggs and Johnson just one? Not sure why people get all upset because a coach recruits and keeps channels open. Seems like some people are just happy looking for things to be upset about. I would say the chances of adding a PG or SG are rather slim for this next season. But you have to realize that we are not bringing in any guards in the 21 class so it is smart to keep an eye open. They defiantly are recruiting guards for the 22 high school class.

[xuphan]

Just because someone reaches out does not mean they are going all out. Also you do realize Franklin and Watts have more than one year right and Scruggs and Johnson just one? Not sure why people get all upset because a coach recruits and keeps channels open. Seems like some people are just happy looking for things to be upset about. I would say the chances of adding a PG or SG are rather slim for this next season. But you have to realize that we are not bringing in any guards in the 21 class so it is smart to keep an eye open. They defiantly are recruiting guards for the 22 high school class.

So why waste your time reaching out to guards who you don’t really want? That makes no sense. Especially for a coach who needs to find an assistant coach and a couple of bigs. I also highly doubt they will come to Xavier to sit behind Scruggs (No idea if he will be at Xavier next year), Johnson and Kunkel for a year. With Scruggs possibly not coming back, it makes sense why Steele is reaching out to Watts and Franklin.

[D-West & PO-Z]

So why waste your time reaching out to guards who you don’t really want? That makes no sense. Especially for a coach who needs to find an assistant coach and a couple of bigs. I also highly doubt they will come to Xavier to sit behind Scruggs (No idea if he will be at Xavier next year), Johnson and Kunkel for a year. With Scruggs possibly not coming back, it makes sense why Steele is reaching out to Watts and Franklin.

Yeah if Scruggs doesnt come back then we 100% need to find a ball handler from the portal. Maybe Steele doesnt know yet about what Scruggs is going to do?

[Xavier]

I saw Scruggs announce he is coming back per his Instagram. Great news

[D-West & PO-Z]

I saw Scruggs announce he is coming back per his Instagram. Great news

YES! HE's back!!

[xuphan]

YES! HE's back!!

We got both guards coming back. Now we just need a true 5 who can score on the block and rebound.

[xukeith]

I saw Scruggs announce he is coming back per his Instagram. Great news

Hope we get a frosh for 2022 and build him up behind Odom

[bobbiemcgee]

YES! HE's back!!

This is great news. POY POY!!!!

[xavierj]

So why waste your time reaching out to guards who you don’t really want? That makes no sense. Especially for a coach who needs to find an assistant coach and a couple of bigs. I also highly doubt they will come to Xavier to sit behind Scruggs (No idea if he will be at Xavier next year), Johnson and Kunkel for a year. With Scruggs possibly not coming back, it makes sense why Steele is reaching out to Watts and Franklin.

Because coaches build relationships and keep the relationship open. Travis recruited Franklin in high school as well as Watts. Not a shock to reach out, she what they are looking for and see how they are doing. Not sure why you think everything should be black and white and robotic.

[Xville]

good news! surprised he didn't want to head to Europe being so old but good for X!

[Xavier]

good news! surprised he didn't want to head to Europe being so old but good for X!

Agreed. I was surprised to see Johnson want to come back, even more so to see Scruggs who I think could have a decent career in Europe. I actually think there is an outside shot Scruggs can find himself in the NBA. Regardless, you don't see someone like Scruggs come back to play...great for X.

[markchal]

this is huge! This team is gonna hit the ground running now that roles are pretty clearly defined, as are skill-sets and rotations. Add another big person to the mix and this could be a dangerous team.

[MHettel]

Agreed. I was surprised to see Johnson want to come back, even more so to see Scruggs who I think could have a decent career in Europe. I actually think there is an outside shot Scruggs can find himself in the NBA. Regardless, you don't see someone like Scruggs come back to play...great for X.

I can see Scruggs in a niche NBA role. He's got excellent size / length to guard 3 positions in the NBA

[xukeith]

this is huge! This team is gonna hit the ground running now that roles are pretty clearly defined, as are skill-sets and rotations. Add another big person to the mix and this could be a dangerous team.

With injuries, X might need a backup pg

[Blue Blooded-05]

I hope we all look back on this as our Jimmy Chitwood / Coach Norman Dale moment

[IM4X]

Hoping this is true. If so, I just want to say

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GGlY3ubGzUY

[xuphan]

Because coaches build relationships and keep the relationship open. Travis recruited Franklin in high school as well as Watts. Not a shock to reach out, she what they are looking for and see how they are doing. Not sure why you think everything should be black and white and robotic.



Not sure what the issue is but the last comment you made isn’t appropriate. If you disagree with me that is fine but there is no need for the last comment you made. I disagree that Steele’s contact with them was just a “hey bud how’s it going type thing”. I think there was more to the conversation than just that it.

[AviatorX]

[/B]

Not sure what the issue is but the last comment you made isn’t appropriate. If you disagree with me that is fine but there is no need for the last comment you made. I disagree that Steele’s contact with them was just a “hey bud how’s it going type thing”. I think there was more to the conversation than just that it.

Based on what?

[D-West & PO-Z]

good news! surprised he didn't want to head to Europe being so old but good for X!

I have to think COVID and the uncertainty there probably made Europe less attractive than in other years.

[xuphan]

I hope we all look back on this as our Jimmy Chitwood / Coach Norman Dale moment

Hope you are right. Steele has no excuses for not making it in the tournament this year.

[Xavier]

I can see Scruggs in a niche NBA role. He's got excellent size / length to guard 3 positions in the NBA

Yeah that is what I was thinking. If he can find a way to get a consistent 3 point shot I can see him finding a role.

[xuphan]

Yeah that is what I was thinking. If he can find a way to get a consistent 3 point shot I can see him finding a role.

Would you have said that if he was not coming back next year. I think Scruggs will make good money but it won’t be in the NBA unless we are talking the D League.

[MHettel]

Would you have said that if he was not coming back next year. I think Scruggs will make good money but it won’t be in the NBA unless we are talking the D League.

Yeah. I think I probably said that last year.

A lot of guys have one or 2 skills where they are an "A", and then a bunch of areas where they are "C-" or "D." Think of Trevon. His defensive limitations will keep him out of the league (or at least limit his PT if he makes a roster).

Scruggs is like solid "B" in almost all the categories. He can shoot decent, can ballhandle, can drive, has a little post up game, can D up 3 positions, and has a great motor and never take a play off. Guys like that make it. Ask James Posey...

[Xavier]

^^ Exactly. He is more well rounded than a guy like Tre, not great at anything but that is the type of deeper rotational player you can see in the NBA. All I am saying is if he adds to be better than average 3 point shot he has a real chance to get an opportunity.

[XUOWNSUC]

Scuggs is back - hell yeah!

Let's go!

[Smails]

Scuggs is back - hell yeah!

Let's go!

This is great news on Good Friday! Would love to hear the resident doomsdayers at least acknowledge that this a a nice win for coach Steele and the program.

[bobbiemcgee]

We just need Timme to transfer in.

https://twitter.com/the1paulscruggs/status/1378030837053161479

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is great news on Good Friday! Would love to hear the resident doomsdayers at least acknowledge that this a a nice win for coach Steele and the program.

Nah, havent you heard, people would rather have Wilcher than Scruggs and Johnson return!

[Xville]

We just need Timme to transfer in.

https://twitter.com/the1paulscruggs/status/1378030837053161479

Screw that. I don’t want that douche. I’ll take someone that would knock his ass to the ground though? Can tyrique come back?

[Strange Brew]

This is great news on Good Friday! Would love to hear the resident doomsdayers at least acknowledge that this a a nice win for coach Steele and the program.

Nice win Coach Steele....:)

[xukeith]

We just need Timme to transfer in.

https://twitter.com/the1paulscruggs/status/1378030837053161479

Who is Timme?

[xuphan]

This is great news on Good Friday! Would love to hear the resident doomsdayers at least acknowledge that this a a nice win for coach Steele and the program.

Great job coach Steele! This news is definitely worthy of a 10 year extension on his contract. Hopefully Christopher has heard the news and has started the paperwork.

[whopper]

Odom is the best pure point, Colby can play it(and has) , Scruggs has played it (but not his best position), Kunkel in a pinch and Nate has wing potential but not point if I recall. A lot of versatility but not a lot of size. That is the goal and would love to see Stanley come back 100% as a physically strong 3. 20 effective minutes from Mies would help a LOT

[muskiefan82]

Who is Timme?

Really? Is this sarcasm or do you not know the latest mustached wonder from Gonzaga?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

This is great news and absolutely shocking. No 10 year extension though, if he doesn't make the tourney next year we want the buyout manageable.