Ramsey Enters Transfer Portal

[shucker]

Per Adam Baum Twitter.
https://twitter.com/AdamJBaum?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7 Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Ramsey has entered the Transfer Portal.
Best of Luck to Daniel Ramsey in his future.
Would have liked to have seen this kid have more opportunities once he was cleared to play.

[XUBANDGRAD]

Per Adam Baum Daniel Ramsey has entered the transfer portal.

[bleedXblue]

Dropping like flies

I expect at least 1 more

[drudy23]

Dropping like flies

I expect at least 1 more

The other big guy?

[BigMoeMusketeer]

I expect at least 1 more

I think that is conservatively optimistic. Hope you're right!

[GoMuskies]

Ramsey claims he's "fully healthy". I guess we'll see at his next stop. If he wants a smaller version of Xavier, might I suggest Bellarmine?

[Xville]

Good to see that playing effing carter 30 minutes a game has already led to two transfers

[drudy23]

Ramsey claims he's "fully healthy". I guess we'll see at his next stop. If he wants a smaller version of Xavier, might I suggest Bellarmine?

Did he mention that somewhere? If he was, and Steele chose not to play Ramsey or Griffin all that much, I just don't get it.

[Masterofreality]

Ramsey claims he's "fully healthy". I guess we'll see at his next stop. If he wants a smaller version of Xavier, might I suggest Bellarmine?

Welp. He looked “fully healthy” when he ran the floor for a stuff vs Butler in the 5 minutes he got to play.
Then never saw the floor again all year.

[GoMuskies]

He mentioned "fully healthy". He did not mention wanting a smaller version of Xavier, but his statement says he loved Xavier but needed to, you know, play basketball. I understand that even if he hated Xavier his statement would say he loved it, but just taking it at face value for these purposes.

[AviatorX]

Can't argue with the guy saying he's fully healthy, but everything I've heard suggests he has barely been healthy enough to practice in his two seasons at Xavier.

[Xville]

3 Transfers out of one class by the end of their sophomore year....I think that's tied for the record with the vaunted 2010 class. Way to go Steele! Maybe they will break the tie before the week is over.

[drudy23]

3 Transfers out of one class by the end of their sophomore year....I think that's tied for the record with the vaunted 2010 class.

Is that good?

[GoMuskies]

Is that good?

I've heard on this very board from one particular poster that it actually IS good, because the one player still standing is Freemantle. Now, I generally question the sanity of said poster (and not just because of that particular take), but I wanted to make sure you also had the glass 20% full version.

[xuphan]

Welp. He looked “fully healthy” when he ran the floor for a stuff vs Butler in the 5 minutes he got to play.
Then never saw the floor again all year.

I miss the days where we had a mostly full squad of high school recruited players and only brought in one transfer in the offseason. Maybe college basketball has changed since the days of Miller and Mack being here but it’s hard to build a foundation when the team brings in 3+ transfers each year. Xavier is becoming Transfer Portal U and to me it is not what this University represents.

[paulxu]

My glass is now 20% full. Which is a good thing, because it means I've drank 80% of the Makers...and it's almost time for a refill.

[GoMuskies]

My glass is now 20% full. Which is a good thing, because it means I've drank 80% of the Makers...and it's almost time for a refill.

At 11am paul? RESPECT!

[drudy23]

I miss the days where we had a mostly full squad of high school recruited players and only brought in one transfer in the offseason. Maybe college basketball has changed since the days of Miller and Mack being here but it’s hard to build a foundation when the team brings in 3+ transfers each year. Xavier is becoming Transfer Portal U and to me it is not what this University represents.

Based on recent articles and information, it really seems Steele is not going to go away from it (shocker).

I agree with you. I don't think you can build a sustainable foundation without consistent success from your recruits. If the plan is to consistently bring in 2-3 transfers per year, why would any recruit want to deal with that?

IMO, it is absolutely destroying the program's identity. I'm a guy that likes change and hates the status quo, but this doesn't seem like the most productive way to go. Just because it's the national trend doesn't mean it can work at X. X is unlike the majority of programs out there.

[Xavier]

Welp. He looked “fully healthy” when he ran the floor for a stuff vs Butler in the 5 minutes he got to play.
Then never saw the floor again all year.

He looked completely gassed. Thought I do think he may have earned at least a shot for more minutes.

[Xavier]

Based on recent articles and information, it really seems Steele is not going to go away from it (shocker).

I agree with you. I don't think you can build a sustainable foundation without consistent success from your recruits. If the plan is to consistently bring in 2-3 transfers per year, why would any recruit want to deal with that?

IMO, it is absolutely destroying the program's identity..

Agreed overall. He certainly got caught up in trying to band-aid the roster I think. First year he probably felt a sense of urgency (that wasn't really there) now there is real urgency. He has to know next year is his last shot.

[bleedXblue]

I said it earlier in the week.

This program has to build through recruiting guys that are going to:

1. Fit the system
2. Like the style of play "in the system"
3. Get minutes to develop
4. Stick around for at least 3 years (with an occasional player going early to the draft)

If the current trend continues, we are destined for more of what we've seen the last 3 years. I completely understood why we did it in year 1 and some in year 2.

I am now more than ever convinced we don't have the right guy running this thing and making good decisions.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I agree with getting your recruits to be successful and building the base of your team that way. But the vast majority of Xavier players who were recrutied to X and then left, did so not because they were good enough but just didnt get the chance bc a transfer came in but bc they just werent good enough. Maybe Kyky would have played more if no Kunkel but there was something weird there with Kyky and Steele I think we can all agree.

So that being said, the issue isnt with bringing in transfers if there are holes to fill, if they are there that is the right thing to do. The issue is with a chunk of recruits who just don't work out. So why is that? Is Steele and staff not evaluating correctly? Just bad luck? Normal that some work some dont? I dont know.

But Steele would be foolish not to look to the portal this offseason to fill some major gaps. If next season is a disaster he may not make it to season 5. I dont think anyone here want to tolerate a miserable season next year but chalk it up to Steele deciding to take no transfers and let all his high schools recruits and only them see what they can do and develop for 2 years down the road. He doesnt have that luxury.

Plus the portal and transfers are here to stay and only more so than they have been.

[drudy23]

Agreed overall. He certainly got caught up in trying to band-aid the roster I think. First year he probably felt a sense of urgency (that wasn't really there) now there is real urgency. He has to know next year is his last shot.

He had no choice in his first year. He had to bring in some transfers.

But sitting at year 4 with it being even more imperative that he bring in transfers, that's not good.

The recruits should be starting to fill out the success profile of the program right now. But this off-season it's going to be a desperate sprint to save next season with relatively unknowns.

I agree that we're sitting on the edge right now - dangerous territory.

[boozehound]

Based on recent articles and information, it really seems Steele is not going to go away from it (shocker).

I agree with you. I don't think you can build a sustainable foundation without consistent success from your recruits. If the plan is to consistently bring in 2-3 transfers per year, why would any recruit want to deal with that?

IMO, it is absolutely destroying the program's identity. I'm a guy that likes change and hates the status quo, but this doesn't seem like the most productive way to go. Just because it's the national trend doesn't mean it can work at X. X is unlike the majority of programs out there.

Yeah. I'm not a fan of this either. You just enter every season with no clue what kind of production you are going to get out of 2-3 new transfers? I can see bringing in 1, maybe 2, per year to fill roster gaps that might open up due to player development (or lack thereof) but regularly having 2+ transfers is not something I'm a fan of.

[boozehound]

I said it earlier in the week.

This program has to build through recruiting guys that are going to:

1. Fit the system
2. Like the style of play "in the system"
3. Get minutes to develop
4. Stick around for at least 3 years (with an occasional player going early to the draft)

If the current trend continues, we are destined for more of what we've seen the last 3 years. I completely understood why we did it in year 1 and some in year 2.

I am now more than ever convinced we don't have the right guy running this thing and making good decisions.

Just so we're all on the same page, 'the system' is running around chucking up 3 pointers from all five positions regardless of shooting ability, right?

[D-West & PO-Z]

I agree with getting your recruits to be successful and building the base of your team that way. But the vast majority of Xavier players who were recrutied to X and then left, did so not because they were good enough but just didnt get the chance bc a transfer came in but bc they just werent good enough. Maybe Kyky would have played more if no Kunkel but there was something weird there with Kyky and Steele I think we can all agree.

So that being said, the issue isnt with bringing in transfers if there are holes to fill, if they are there that is the right thing to do. The issue is with a chunk of recruits who just don't work out. So why is that? Is Steele and staff not evaluating correctly? Just bad luck? Normal that some work some dont? I dont know.

But Steele would be foolish not to look to the portal this offseason to fill some major gaps. If next season is a disaster he may not make it to season 5. I dont think anyone here want to tolerate a miserable season next year but chalk it up to Steele deciding to take no transfers and let all his high schools recruits and only them see what they can do and develop for 2 years down the road. He doesnt have that luxury.

Plus the portal and transfers are here to stay and only more so than they have been.

All this being said, for what is supposed to be Steele's best ability, recruiting, going into year 4 we have some major holes in the roster due to recruiting misses, no?

[drudy23]

All this being said, for what is supposed to be Steele's best ability, recruiting, going into year 4 we have some major holes in the roster due to recruiting misses, no?

Hard to say if they were recruiting misses or the coach handling it wrong. Seriously.

[Masterofreality]

He looked completely gassed. Thought I do think he may have earned at least a shot for more minutes.

Ever hear of “Second Wind”?
And he apparently was so gassed that he couldn’t play another minute all year!
Cue the “Throw Matt Jennings under the bus!” statements like this Steele gem yesterday:
“We gotta get a heck of a lot stronger," said Steele. "I thought physically we were behind. I think part of that's recruiting and part of that's making guys stronger. We had the luxury of having Tyrique (Jones) and Sean O'Mara and Jalen Reynolds before that. We've had a lot of big dudes and you've gotta have some size. I think that really did hurt us, the lack of physicality."

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hard to say if they were recruiting misses or the coach handling it wrong. Seriously.

Eh, I will concede Kyky, but Ramsey isnt going to any school that is at a high level. And none of the past recent transfers have either.

Bishop was maybe the closest, going to St. Joes and averaging 7.7pts, 3.1 rebs, and 1.3 assists this year.

He shot 32% from the field though and 28% from 3.

[XUGRAD80]

“We gotta get a heck of a lot stronger," said Steele. "I thought physically we were behind. I think part of that's recruiting and part of that's making guys stronger. We had the luxury of having Tyrique (Jones) and Sean O'Mara and Jalen Reynolds before that. We've had a lot of big dudes and you've gotta have some size. I think that really did hurt us, the lack of physicality."

Not defending him at all.....but you can’t really argue with the accuracy of that statement, can you?

[BigMoeMusketeer]

Ever hear of “Second Wind”?
And he apparently was so gassed that he couldn’t play another minute all year!
Cue the “Throw Matt Jennings under the bus!” statements like this Steele gem yesterday:
“We gotta get a heck of a lot stronger," said Steele. "I thought physically we were behind. I think part of that's recruiting and part of that's making guys stronger. We had the luxury of having Tyrique (Jones) and Sean O'Mara and Jalen Reynolds before that. We've had a lot of big dudes and you've gotta have some size. I think that really did hurt us, the lack of physicality."

Clearly feels like Jennings is going to be the fall-guy this off-season, right? And in fairness, and it isn't particularly close, Chris Rounds > Matt Jennings.

My first thought when I read that was, welp, clearly Matt is going to be the scapegoat this off-season.

Additionally, if we enter October of 2021 with Ben / Jonas / Dante as the three assistants, I think Coach Steele will have made a mistake.

[drudy23]

Not defending him at all.....but you can’t really argue with the accuracy of that statement, can you?

Yet he said 2 weeks ago that no other player spend as much time in the weight room as Freemantle.

So....

The dude literally contradicts himself every week.

[Xavier]

Ever hear of “Second Wind”?
And he apparently was so gassed that he couldn’t play another minute all year!
Cue the “Throw Matt Jennings under the bus!” statements like this Steele gem yesterday:
“We gotta get a heck of a lot stronger," said Steele. "I thought physically we were behind. I think part of that's recruiting and part of that's making guys stronger. We had the luxury of having Tyrique (Jones) and Sean O'Mara and Jalen Reynolds before that. We've had a lot of big dudes and you've gotta have some size. I think that really did hurt us, the lack of physicality."

Relax. All I said was he looked gassed and he did. I said I thought he earned at least a chance to pick up some minutes and see how it went.

And I mean I feel like people have said all year we need to get stronger, now that Steele has said it do you disagree or something? You also overlooked him taking the blame on it as well "Part of that is recruiting"

[drudy23]

Clearly feels like Jennings is going to be the fall-guy this off-season, right? And in fairness, and it isn't particularly close, Chris Rounds > Matt Jennings.

My first thought when I read that was, welp, clearly Matt is going to be the scapegoat this off-season.

Additionally, if we enter October of 2021 with Ben / Jonas / Dante as the three assistants, I think Coach Steele will have made a mistake.

I've always heard on here Jennings is one of the best. Granted, I have no clue how people would know that.

Agree on the assistants too.

[Masterofreality]

Not defending him at all.....but you can’t really argue with the accuracy of that statement, can you?

Welp. Steele recruited those kids. He knew what raw material he was bringing in.
Matt is fantastic, remember Mack made a huge run at him to move to Louisville and he turned them down, but you can only work to get the raw material better. Steele has made the decision to recruit a bunch of finesse bigs, not Jalen or even Jimmy Farr type bigs.
Putting “good” bulk on a guy is a lot harder than slimming them down. Steeles selections, but he’s just realizing the problem now?
Disturbing as hell.

[Masterofreality]

Relax. All I said was he looked gassed and he did. I said I thought he earned at least a chance to pick up some minutes and see how it went.

And I mean I feel like people have said all year we need to get stronger, now that Steele has said it do you disagree or something? You also overlooked him taking the blame on it as well "Part of that is recruiting"

See above. ^^^^^

And Steele is just realizing this now after 3 years of recruiting? ARRRRGGHH!
And I’m plenty relaxed.

[drudy23]

Steele has made the decision to recruit a bunch of finesse bigs, not Jalen or even Jimmy Farr type bigs.
Putting “good” bulk on a guy is a lot harder than slimming them down.
.

This is a very good point. Free is never going to look like O'Mara, Tyrique or Jalen regardless of how many weights he lifts. He just doesn't have that bulk.

Jones and Kunkel have to get bigger and stronger, no doubt. Odom and Wilcher have the frames for it.

But the point is valid, no one being brought in under Steele is built like the Mack big guy recruits.

[Xavier]

This is a very good point. Free is never going to look like O'Mara, Tyrique or Jalen regardless of how many weights he lifts. He just doesn't have that bulk.

Jones and Kunkel have to get bigger and stronger, no doubt. Odom and Wilcher have the frames for it.

But the point is valid, no one being brought in under Steele is built like the Mack big guy recruits.

Yep, We went from Reynolds to Jones, right? Pretty good run for big guys in this type of offense. Did Mack take a big with him to Louisville? He didn't seem to have anyone in the pipeline following Jones...should have been a priority for Travis, though the whole roster needed to be upgraded.

[drudy23]

I've said from the beginning - I bet Steele's main sales pitch to get this job is that Xavier is going to ride the "new wave" of basketball. He probably sold that we're going to change the recruiting profile to get all of these shooters and we're going to be able to land all of these great transfers to fit in. We're going to be Villanova part 2 - man!

With a new AD, he thought "well hell yes, we're going to win a National title, let's go!!!"

The strategy is broken. The longer we go down this path, the worse it becomes. And now we're strictly behind the 8 ball.

[MHettel]

This is a very good point. Free is never going to look like O'Mara, Tyrique or Jalen regardless of how many weights he lifts. He just doesn't have that bulk.

Jones and Kunkel have to get bigger and stronger, no doubt. Odom and Wilcher have the frames for it.

But the point is valid, no one being brought in under Steele is built like the Mack big guy recruits.

Jones can and should get a little bigger. But I don't know what we should expect with his. He's a little bit of everything. Not sure "size" is a big need to help him reach his potential.

Kunkle is a wiry little guy. Don't even waste your time on him. Really. No potential to add size.

Wilcher on the other hand needs to get on the Stanley Burrell Plan. That dude could be a stout and cut-up 215 / 220 and be a nightmare matchup. I'd put all my eggs in his basket when it comes to getting stronger.

[paulxu]

But the point is valid, no one being brought in under Steele is built like the Mack big guy recruits.

Odom is built that way. Just wait until he grows another 10 inches.

[drudy23]

Jones can and should get a little bigger. But I don't know what we should expect with his. He's a little bit of everything. Not sure "size" is a big need to help him reach his potential.

Kunkle is a wiry little guy. Don't even waste your time on him. Really. No potential to add size.

Wilcher on the other hand needs to get on the Stanley Burrell Plan. That dude could be a stout and cut-up 215 / 220 and be a nightmare matchup. I'd put all my eggs in his basket when it comes to getting stronger.

Jones and Kunkel has no chance against the bigger, older and taller Big East guards. It's a matchup nightmare.

That will probably remain for Kunkel, but Jones has to find a way to get significantly stronger. There are some bad ass guards in this league.

Agree completely on Wilcher.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

Matt is fantastic

I'm not trying to be difficult, but what are you basing this high praise on?

[XUGRAD80]

Don’t confuse strength with bulk. A really good inside player needs both. We’ve all seen some very bulky bigs that weren’t really strong. I don’t think that player like Free is ever going to pack on a lot of bulk. His frame isn’t the type that will get big and bulky. His consistent workout and practice routine will lead to a great deal of stamina, but he probably won’t gain much weight. I don’t ever see him as a true low post power player. That’s ok, I’ll take 16 and 8 every game for the rest of his career. But X needs someone that won’t get moved off the block and can move others off when playing defense. Doubt it’s going to Miles or either of the freshman.

[Xavier]

I have heard he is good too but I don't really know. The only thing I really remember was everyone being mad at him for not figuring out Semaj (I think it was Semaj) and his cramping issues he would get in the 2nd half of games.

[Smails]

I think this board is going to take some time to adjust to what looks to be the new normal in NCAAB. The one-time free transfer rule + the new pro high school league changes everything. Every-high major recruit that thinks they need to play more will consider leaving, and many will leave. Every 5 star recruit will consider the pro-league and many will join it. Every mid-major POY and first team all conference performer will look to get into a major conference. It's going to be a wild ride.

[XUBison]

Well, his knees would be a problem wherever he goes, so he’s not transferring due to that. Maybe the coaches think it is in his best interest to transfer, which is certainly something that happens. That said, it’s perplexing to think a young big doesn’t see a solid role for himself here given our current roster. And given that current roster make-up, it’s almost nonsensical to think the coaches encouraged him to go elsewhere.

[MHettel]

Don’t confuse strength with bulk. A really good inside player needs both. We’ve all seen some very bulky bigs that weren’t really strong. I don’t think that player like Free is ever going to pack on a lot of bulk. His frame isn’t the type that will get big and bulky. His consistent workout and practice routine will lead to a great deal of stamina, but he probably won’t gain much weight. I don’t ever see him as a true low post power player. That’s ok, I’ll take 16 and 8 every game for the rest of his career. But X needs someone that won’t get moved off the block and can move others off when playing defense. Doubt it’s going to Miles or either of the freshman.

Size and Strength mean different things when it comes to Offense or Defense.

Free needs to get stronger in his upper body to be able to bang and finish Offensively.

Lower body strength and size (ie a big ass) is huge for defense.

OMara had Oak Trees for legs and couldn't be moved. Farr had other "assets" that he utilized to make some space and grab DRebs.

Tyrique was a monster physically, but also athletically. If someone doesn't have the natural athleticism, then they cant really just "acquire" it.

Griffin is in the James Farr mold. Space Eater.

Miles is completely different. That kid is a string bean and he will not be able to put on enough weight or strength to hold his defensive position on the block. I would use Miles as a rim protector only. Like have the guards play a little tighter on the perimeter and give the opposition a little more incentive to try to drive into the lane and get met by Miles at the rim.

[xukeith]

Eh, I will concede Kyky, but Ramsey isnt going to any school that is at a high level. And none of the past recent transfers have either.

Bishop was maybe the closest, going to St. Joes and averaging 7.7pts, 3.1 rebs, and 1.3 assists this year.

He shot 32% from the field though and 28% from 3.

Glad he didn't shoot for X.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Glad he didn't shoot for X.

He would have fit right in, hahaha

[XUBison]

Glad he didn't shoot for X.

I am old enough to remember when Steele referred to Bishop as the most Big East ready of that incoming class. Crazy thing is, if it weren’t for Freemantle, he would have been right.

[drudy23]

I am old enough to remember when Steele referred to Bishop as the most Big East ready of that incoming class. Crazy thing is, if it weren’t for Freemantle, he would have been right.

Steele has said 20+ things that have been completely off-the-wall wrong in his 3 year tenure.

Just add this to the list.

[noteggs]

I think this board is going to take some time to adjust to what looks to be the new normal in NCAAB. The one-time free transfer rule + the new pro high school league changes everything. Every-high major recruit that thinks they need to play more will consider leaving, and many will leave. Every 5 star recruit will consider the pro-league and many will join it. Every mid-major POY and first team all conference performer will look to get into a major conference. It's going to be a wild ride.

Agree 100%

Good luck Daniel! Heard you had a positive attitude while here.

[XUGRAD80]

Transferring to Tennessee Tech. Best of luck to him, I wish things had worked out for him at X, and now hope they do at TT.