2021 Coaching Carousel

[OTRMUSKIE]

Indiana fires Miller. My guess is Pitino, porter, or Brad stevens gets that job.

[Xavgrad08]

Boston College has hired Earl Grant from Charleston. They had made a run at Beilein. Penn State is hiring Micah Shrewsberry. Sounds like Richard Pitino's days might be numbered in Minnesota. Listed below is an updated list School coach Out/In

Albany: Will Brown /
Binghamton: Tommy Dempsey / Levell Sanders (interim)
Boston College: Jim Christian / Earl Grant
Central Connecticut State: Donyell Marshall /
Denver: Rodney Billups /
DePaul: Dave Leitao /
Eastern Illinois: Jay Spoonhour /
Fordham: Jeff Neubauer /
Indiana: Archie Miller /
IUPUI: Byron Rimm II (interim) /
Indiana State: Greg Lansing / Josh Schertz
Jacksonville: Tony Jasick /
New Mexico: Paul Weir /

[xu82]

Indiana fires Miller. My guess is Pitino, porter, or Brad stevens gets that job.

Why was I so sure you had started this thread???

[MHettel]

Indiana fires Miller. My guess is Pitino, porter, or Brad stevens gets that job.

I have a hunch that Stevens will end up at Duke in a couple years. No reason. Just a hunch.

[XUGRAD80]

Minnesota has fired Pitino.



.

[XUGRAD80]

On the bright side....

With all these openings happening at big schools, we would normally be worried about losing our coach



On the dimmer side.....


We are worried about him staying

[GIMMFD]

Iowa State fires Prohm, looks like there's gonna be more openings than I initially thought, sheesh.

[paulxu]

Keeping up with the Carousel:

https://www.coachesdatabase.com/coaching-carousel-2021/

[GoMuskies]

Richard Pitino didn't stay on the market long. He's getting the New Mexico gig. That's a plum job, honestly. Those people in Albuquerque are nuts about their Lobos. Go to Vegas during the MWC Tournament and you see Lobos fans EVERYWHERE.

[Xavgrad08]

Marquette has fired Steve Wojo. https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2021/03/19/steve-wojciechowski-marquette-part-ways

[Xville]

Marquette has fired Steve Wojo. https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2021/03/19/steve-wojciechowski-marquette-part-ways

Geezus it’s about time. Way overdue

[BandAid]

It was too fun reading muscoop for their last coaching search - those guys are funny. Excited to watch their board again

[Mrs. Garrett]

Wojo out at Marquette

[paulxu]

It seems to me that coaches who have caught lightning in a bottle with a F4 or E8, often struggle when moving up to "better" teams.
Miller doesn't last at IU, but leaves with $10 million.
Shaka has lost twice in the NCAA's to lower ranked teams like Abilene and not made it out of the first round.
(Barnes was let go from Texas after 16 NCAA's in 17 years...and did land at Tenn)
Larranga has 3 losing seasons in the last 3 years at Miami.
Marshall is gone from Wichita St.
Not an easy business.

[bleedXblue]

It seems to me that coaches who have caught lightning in a bottle with a F4 or E8, often struggle when moving up to "better" teams.
Miller doesn't last at IU, but leaves with $10 million.
Shaka has lost twice in the NCAA's to lower ranked teams like Abilene and not made it out of the first round.
(Barnes was let go from Texas after 16 NCAA's in 17 years...and did land at Tenn)
Larranga has 3 losing seasons in the last 3 years at Miami.
Marshall is gone from Wichita St.
Not an easy business.

Add Mack at UL.

In my opinion, its purely a money grab and its hard to argue against that.

Archie is set for life and basically had 2 good years at UD

[American X]

Porter Moser has earned a far better job than DePaul.

[Masterofreality]

Porter Moser has earned a far better job than DePaul.

Hopefully the big Loyola FAT CATS step up. And there are a lot of them

[Cincypunk.org]

Hopefully the big Loyola FAT CATS step up. And there are a lot of them

What are the chances X fires Steele and brings in Moser?

[Xville]

What are the chances X fires Steele and brings in Moser?

0.0 for multiple reasons

[xavierj]

I think Moser will leave Loyola. Will be tough to repeat what he has last few years. He is set to lose 5 seniors unless they all come back, which could happen I guess. He would be a legend if he could go to DePaul and turn them around. He could also go to Marquette I guess, but I don’t see him going far from Chicago. He’s a Chicago guy and staying close to family is really important to him from what I understand. Not sure what DePaul can pay, but I know Marquette can pay a lot.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think Moser will leave Loyola. Will be tough to repeat what he has last few years. He is set to lose 5 seniors unless they all come back, which could happen I guess. He would be a legend if he could go to DePaul and turn them around. He could also go to Marquette I guess, but I don’t see him going far from Chicago. He’s a Chicago guy and staying close to family is really important to him from what I understand. Not sure what DePaul can pay, but I know Marquette can pay a lot.

I have no idea on what he will do but Marquette is only 90 miles from Chicago.

[bobbiemcgee]

Amazing a Coach can inspire his players to stick around for 4 years and develop into a cohesive unit. Oh....

[Mrs. Garrett]

I think Moser will leave Loyola. Will be tough to repeat what he has last few years. He is set to lose 5 seniors unless they all come back, which could happen I guess. He would be a legend if he could go to DePaul and turn them around. He could also go to Marquette I guess, but I don’t see him going far from Chicago. He’s a Chicago guy and staying close to family is really important to him from what I understand. Not sure what DePaul can pay, but I know Marquette can pay a lot.

I don't know that Moser is a guy who only chases $$$. My understanding is that he comes from a very wealthy family that essentially built the suburb of Naperville. He is also of the age when DePaul was Chicago basketball and may covet the job. Heard he went to Ray Meyer Basketball Camp (so did I) as a kid.

Not sure what Leitao was making, but heard there was very little buy out to get rid of him and I bet he was probably making about half of the $2 mil Purnell made.

[BandAid]

My bet would be Moser ends up at Marquette.


On a side note, I don't really "get" the value drivers for coaches. I can list them easily enough: cash, more resources, higher level of recruits, increased competition.

But on the flip side: Moser can easily develop a program at Loyola (and already has) where he competes for the conference title every year, consistently coaches players for their entire college career, and make NCAA runs every so often. He isn't going to have a hot-seat at Loyola - maybe ever. And he's probably compensated at a level in which his family will never be wanting.

Loyola seems like a pretty plum gig for him. Is the potential increased glory worth the risk of flaming out at a new program?

[SM#24]

Is the potential increased glory worth the risk of flaming out at a new program?
There's probably about a 1,000 coaches that could give you a first hand answer to that.

[bleedXblue]

My bet would be Moser ends up at Marquette.


On a side note, I don't really "get" the value drivers for coaches. I can list them easily enough: cash, more resources, higher level of recruits, increased competition.

But on the flip side: Moser can easily develop a program at Loyola (and already has) where he competes for the conference title every year, consistently coaches players for their entire college career, and make NCAA runs every so often. He isn't going to have a hot-seat at Loyola - maybe ever. And he's probably compensated at a level in which his family will never be wanting.

Loyola seems like a pretty plum gig for him. Is the potential increased glory worth the risk of flaming out at a new program?

Kinda like Xavier. Its takes a very special person to not chase the big job with the big dollars.

I honestly don't get why Mack left. Was making really good money and easily could have stayed and retired at X with more money than he or his children would ever need. I guess I just answered my own question...LOL

[GoMuskies]

I honestly don't get why Mack left.

Are you married? If so, you should know why he left.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Are you married? If so, you should know why he left.

Ha, yeah my thoughts as well.

[AviatorX]

Ben Johnson just landed the head coaching gig at Minnesota. I guess Steele's staff isn't as brutal as some on this board think or other schools are even dumber than X!

[Xville]

Ben Johnson just landed the head coaching gig at Minnesota. I guess Steele's staff isn't as brutal as some on this board think or other schools are even dumber than X!

I’m guessing it is more of the latter part of the second sentence considering Minnesota’s track record

[AviatorX]

I’m guessing it is more of the latter part of the second sentence considering Minnesota’s track record

I actually view Minnesota as a pretty solid job. Ton of local talent, and not a total stranger to winning or at least being with the pack in the Big 10. Lots of resources as well I'm sure.

[MHettel]

I actually view Minnesota as a pretty solid job. Ton of local talent, and not a total stranger to winning or at least being with the pack in the Big 10. Lots of resources as well I'm sure.

To Clarify. We aren't talking about Hockey.

[AviatorX]

To Clarify. We aren't talking about Hockey.

Go look at how many top recruits in your average class are from Minnesota. Major conference. Way less pressure than at a basketball school. Hence "solid job." It's not some wasteland.

[GoMuskies]

It's not some wasteland.

2 NCAA Tournament wins in the last 24 years. 2 in the last 27 if you take out Clem's cheating run to the Final Four. Maybe it is.

[AviatorX]

2 NCAA Tournament wins in the last 24 years. 2 in the last 27 if you take out Clem's cheating run to the Final Four. Maybe it is.

Ok fair enough I definitely would have overestimated this number. Gut feeling was they're in the postseason more often that that, but I'm not passionate enough to look into it. Good luck to Ben!

[GoMuskies]

If there is talent in the area, I suppose it doesn't HAVE to be a wasteland, though. It just has been!

[MHettel]

Go look at how many top recruits in your average class are from Minnesota. Major conference. Way less pressure than at a basketball school. Hence "solid job." It's not some wasteland.

Somehow, I envision someone providing that exact sage advise to Dan Monson just before he walked away from the Gonzaga job to take the HC role at Minnesota....

[Masterofreality]

Go look at how many top recruits in your average class are from Minnesota. Major conference. Way less pressure than at a basketball school. Hence "solid job." It's not some wasteland.

Update. It’s a wasteland...and a freezing one at that.

[xavierj]

And to think Chris Mack and Louisville lost to Minnesota two years ago in the NCAA tourney by 10. Louisville was the 7 seed and Minnesota was the 10. He is such a great coach.

[AviatorX]

Update. It’s a wasteland...and a freezing one at that.

Well if you said it, no point in debating any further!

[D-West & PO-Z]

IU and Matta had a deal but he failed a physical apparently.

https://indiana.rivals.com/news/sources-thad-matta-fails-physical-after-agreeing-to-deal-with-indiana

[Xville]

IU and Matta had a deal but he failed a physical apparently.

https://indiana.rivals.com/news/sources-thad-matta-fails-physical-after-agreeing-to-deal-with-indiana

Wow that’s insane!

[xubrew]

IU and Matta had a deal but he failed a physical apparently.

https://indiana.rivals.com/news/sources-thad-matta-fails-physical-after-agreeing-to-deal-with-indiana

I find this very hard to believe for multiple reasons.

EDIT: I will now go one step further. I am pretty much absolutely certain this is not true, and don’t know what the hell they were thinking when they published this.

[Xville]

I find this very hard to believe for multiple reasons.

EDIT: I will now go one step further. I am pretty much absolutely certain this is not true, and don’t know what the hell they were thinking when they published this.

He is at the creighton-Ohio game...kinda odd

[GoMuskies]

I find this very hard to believe for multiple reasons.

EDIT: I will now go one step further. I am pretty much absolutely certain this is not true, and don’t know what the hell they were thinking when they published this.

Seems like this would be an Americans With Disabilities Act problem.

[xubrew]

IU actually offered the job to Jon Wooden, but he (albeit barely) failed the physical.

BTW, coaches don’t have to take physicals. I’ve never even heard of something like that before.

[BandAid]

I am hoping IU offers the position to Sean Miller.

[noteggs]

Really surprised Matta even considered IU based on his disdain for the program. Guess money always talks.

Dr friend who was game time ENT for OSU invited me to an IU game and we went down to locker room to chat with him hours before the game. Let’s just say he had an extreme hatred towards the program, which was not only about being Big Ten competitors.

[D-West & PO-Z]

IU actually offered the job to Jon Wooden, but he (albeit barely) failed the physical.

BTW, coaches don’t have to take physicals. I’ve never even heard of something like that before.

I mean I understand generally they don't but Matta had some major health issues at OSU that made it impossible for him to perform some of his job duties. One reporter close to the IU program said he sources are saying this isn't true but it would make sense that IU would request Matta to undergo a physical.

Again no idea if this is true or not but if it was it would make sense IU would deny it for many reasons. It isn't outlandish to think Matta was required to take one either.

[smileyy]

Matta's back is well and completely fucked.

[xubrew]

Really surprised Matta even considered IU based on his disdain for the program. Guess money always talks.

Dr friend who was game time ENT for OSU invited me to an IU game and we went down to locker room to chat with him hours before the game. Let’s just say he had an extreme hatred towards the program, which was not only about being Big Ten competitors.

He didn't. There was no agreement. There was no physical. There was no interest from either party. The story is 100 percent wrong.

To those that wrote the story....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgWm5TNeBA

[Mrs. Garrett]

He didn't. There was no agreement. There was no physical. There was no interest from either party. The story is 100 percent wrong.

To those that wrote the story....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgWm5TNeBA

I'm not sure if his contract at OSU is officially over, but since he was fired without cause and OSU intended to pay the remainder of the contract that Matta must make it look like he's pursuing other opportunities, whether that be in coaching or in broadcasting, per the stipulations of his buyout with Ohio State.

So he throws his name into an opening whether he wants it or not to get paid.

[XUGRAD80]

Oklahoma’s Lon Kruger is retiring after 44 years as a coach. That’s going to be a very attractive opening for many coaches at all levels.

[xubrew]

Oklahoma’s Lon Kruger is retiring after 44 years as a coach. That’s going to be a very attractive opening for many coaches at all levels.

I want Oklahoma to come out and announce that their plan is to hire whoever it is that Indiana wants to hire on the grounds that they are the better program. That would make me very happy!!

[OTRMUSKIE]

Brannen at UC could be out. That’s all I have but it sounds like he is on thin ice.

[drudy23]

Brannen at UC could be out. That’s all I have but it sounds like he is on thin ice.

This is a goofy one - I can't tell if it's juvenile Twitter banter or if it actually has legs.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Shaka Smart to Marquette

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is a goofy one - I can't tell if it's juvenile Twitter banter or if it actually has legs.

If it has anything to do with Markus Walters its totally bogus. Hilarious but bogus. Fake reporter run by an X fan. Hilarious how many national media members he has fooled though on several issues.

[drudy23]

Shaka Smart to Marquette

Can Marquette really pay more than Texas?

This one is odd too - I get Marquette being the only game in town (no football), but Texas has unlimited resources, and Smart was just getting them rolling again as a Top 15 program.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Can Marquette really pay more than Texas?

This one is odd too - I get Marquette being the only game in town (no football), but Texas has unlimited resources, and Smart was just getting them rolling again as a Top 15 program.

My guess is Smart was feeling heat. They had a great season but lost in the first round. In 6 seasons there I think he did not win a tourney game.

I think he is a good coach but it takes him time to find his players at a new job. He runs a very specific system that needs the right players.

[paulxu]

Lightning in a bottle residue.
You fire Barnes who went to tournament 16 of 17 years he was there, Shaka has only 2 winning conference records in 6 years...and you lose to Abilene in the first round...trouble in River City.
If you think our Travis stuff is hard, you should read the Longhorn faithful on Smart.

[Xville]

Can Marquette really pay more than Texas?

This one is odd too - I get Marquette being the only game in town (no football), but Texas has unlimited resources, and Smart was just getting them rolling again as a Top 15 program.

Word in sports radio (I know but they have sources) this week was that Smart was close to getting canned, so this makes sense. Although I don’t think he is an outstanding coach, I think he’s a good one, and much better than wojo. I think it’s a pretty good hire by Marquette and overall probably gives them a top 5 coach in the conference. Also just saw he grew up in Madison...going home in a way.

Texas is tough in both football and basketball...it takes a certain person to do well down there.

[Lloyd Braun]

Interesting...there’s a lot more “think he’s a good coach” comments than I thought there’d be for Shaka. I’m not sure he is a good coach, and would probably consider him average. Just my opinion of course. Doesn’t mean he isn’t an upgrade though...

[drudy23]

I will admit his VCU teams were fun to watch.

Didn't really follow Texas much.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think he is good in relation to wojo. By no means a homerun hire. He clearly had some issues at Texas but looked like he was putting it together. We all know the tourney is a crapshoot so I dont completely kill him for a first round loss this year. He should get Marquette there more often, just a matter of can he win once there?

On a side note, is Theo John exercising his extra year anyone know? What will he be 35 this season?

[BandAid]

Does Shaka bring havok back at Marquette? He went away from it at Texas.

If there's one thing our team has been great at, it's operating an offense against aggressive one-on-one defenses :whistle:

[noteggs]

On a side note, is Theo John exercising his extra year anyone know? What will he be 35 this season?

Close, he’s 37 lol.

[paulxu]

Oops.

https://local12.com/sports/uc-bearcats/uc-issues-statement-reviewing-allegations-in-mens-basketball-program-cincinnati-bearcats-john-brannen-college-basketball

[Lloyd Braun]

Not sure how long this will stay up but it’s pretty funny

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Woodson


Michael Dean Woodson (born March 24, 1958)[1] is an American professional basketball coach for the Indiana Hoosiers and former player who will be the next coach to be fired from Indiana after being unable to live up to unrealistic expectations.

[XU 23]

Mike Woodson to IU. What has happened to that program...?

[xudash]

Mike Woodson to IU. What has happened to that program...?

I saw a report which states that Thad Matta is joining that staff.

[Xville]

Kinda makes me think that matta story may have been true. They were obviously interested in him for something. Woodson though? Woof

[STL_XUfan]

I saw a report which states that Thad Matta is joining that staff.
Not the staff, but associate AD of men’s basketball. Be interesting to see what his influence is on hiring assistants.

[Xavgrad08]

Gregg Doyle is reporting Matta has been hired at IU as associate AD for basketball. Is the IU alum that paid 10 mill fo Archie’s buyout happy? I think this HC hire shows they whiffed on everyone else.

[bjf123]

Not sure how long this will stay up but it’s pretty funny

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Woodson

It’s not wrong!


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[XU 87]

I guess the IU job isn't as good as one would think.

[JTG]

Probably 90% of the basketball alums have been screaming for a " member of the family", ever since Knight was fired. Claiming only people who lived it, are capable of succeeding at IU.

[XU 23]

Probably 90% of the basketball alums have been screaming for a " member of the family", ever since Knight was fired. Claiming only people who lived it, are capable of succeeding at IU.

They should hire Pat Knight then!

[xudash]

Phil Martelli still enjoying coaching success, or once again enjoying it.

[STL_XUfan]

Probably 90% of the basketball alums have been screaming for a " member of the family", ever since Knight was fired. Claiming only people who lived it, are capable of succeeding at IU.

As a Mizzou fan I can tell you first hand it is a terrible idea to let your white haired fan base to pick your next coach.

[Xavgrad08]

Roy Williams at UNC is retiring. Will be interesting to see who they hire. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31177433/north-carolina-tar-heels-basketball-coach-roy-williams-retires?platform=amp

[GoMuskies]

Can we really believe big news like this on April 1?

[XUGRAD80]

Roy Williams at UNC is retiring. Will be interesting to see who they hire. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31177433/north-carolina-tar-heels-basketball-coach-roy-williams-retires?platform=amp

Just heard that reported on the radio about 30 minutes ago....surprised! April Fools joke was my first reaction. Will be real interesting to see who becomes a candidate. Jay Wright?

I would consider NC, Duke, Kansas, and UK as the top 4 jobs in the country. Can’t imagine they want anyone other than a proven commodity.

[GoMuskies]

If they don't hire Wes Miller, then we need to if we have an opening next offseason.

[XUMIOH12]

Chris Beard to Texas. Not a big surprise there.

[JTG]

Roy Williams at UNC is retiring. Will be interesting to see who they hire. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31177433/north-carolina-tar-heels-basketball-coach-roy-williams-retires?platform=amp

Probably a random Xavier Assistant like Minnesota did.

[GoMuskies]

Probably a random Xavier Assistant like Minnesota did.

Dante to UNC!

[GoMuskies]

I think UNC is going to have to at least pretend to consider LeVelle Moton.

[XU 87]

Just heard that reported on the radio about 30 minutes ago....surprised! April Fools joke was my first reaction. Will be real interesting to see who becomes a candidate. Jay Wright?

I would consider NC, Duke, Kansas, and UK as the top 4 jobs in the country. Can’t imagine they want anyone other than a proven commodity.

If you're Jay Wright and have already won two NCAA's, why go to UNC?

[XUGRAD80]

If you're Jay Wright and have already won two NCAA's, why go to UNC?

Wright makes 4.4 million at ‘Nova. Calipari makes 9.4 at KY. I’d guess Wright could double his salary at NC. Not to mention that he would get all the 5 Star recruits he could want. Nova recruits well, but how much of that is the coach and how much is the school? At NC, with Wright, it would have both things going for it.

[GoMuskies]

Chapel Hill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philly

Jay Wright probably doesn't think so, though.

[Xavier]

I think 99% of kids go to schools because of the coach only, even at UNC. Handful of them who go because Mom and Dad did or something, and maybe every now and then go because its UNC (or Duke/etc.).

Regardless I do think Wright would consider it, it is a top 3 job in college.

[murray87]

Big news about Roy Williams! Gotta wonder how many years Coach K, Izzo and Boeheim have left in the tank. And Huggins.........

[bleedXblue]

If you're Jay Wright and have already won two NCAA's, why go to UNC?

dumber decsions have been made

[murray87]

Interesting group here:

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/5-coaches-north-carolina-target-replace-roy-williams

If Judas Mack had stuck around here, would his name being in the running for UNC?

[XUGRAD80]

I think 99% of kids go to schools because of the coach only, even at UNC. Handful of them who go because Mom and Dad did or something, and maybe every now and then go because its UNC (or Duke/etc.).

Regardless I do think Wright would consider it, it is a top 3 job in college.

True.....but if you or I were the coach at UNC we could still get in the door of a top 5 recruits house, just because we were coming from UNC. Pretty sure Wright can get into any door because of who he is. But there is a real difference between being the top college coach in a PRO town, or being the top coach at any level in a whole STATE. Quick...who’s the coach of the Charlotte pro BB team? Who’s the coach at the U of Kentucky? See what I mean?

[STL_XUfan]

Chapel Hill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philly

Jay Wright probably doesn't think so, though.

I mean the man probably hasn't paid for a meal or a beer in that town for the past 20 years. Plus the cost to move his tailor's whole family to Chapel Hill could get pricey.

[JTG]

Interesting group here:

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/5-coaches-north-carolina-target-replace-roy-williams

If Judas Mack had stuck around here, would his name being in the running for UNC?

Few and Wright aren't that stupid. Few has it made, he has what amounts to an auto bid playing in his conference, and Wright plays in a top 5 conference and has 2 Natl Champs under his belt. Plus UNC is one of those places like IU where the fan base will only tolerate one of their own as a coach.

[XU 87]

Few and Wright aren't that stupid. Few has it made, he has what amounts to an auto bid playing in his conference, and Wright plays in a top 5 conference and has 2 Natl Champs under his belt. Plus UNC is one of those places like IU where the fan base will only tolerate one of their own as a coach.

I work with an IU grad. What you say above about IU is accurate. He even told me before the last hire, "They have to hire an IU grad. Only an IU grad understands how our program works."

Since their greatest coach ever went to OSU, I thought that was an odd statement. But that's apparently the attitude.

[xavierj]

Not head coaching related.... but

https://mobile.twitter.com/CorryvilleCarl/status/1377672972228526082

[xudash]

Chapel Hill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philly

Jay Wright probably doesn't think so, though.

Chapel Hill doesn't hold a candle to the Mainline, especially out by Radnor.

But, that's opinion, right? Do you want to live in the upscale area of a large northeastern city, or do you want the gentile southerly experience of living in a NC college town?

Jay's is from the northeast. He is set at Nova. I doubt he would move anywhere at this point.

[GoMuskies]

Yes, it's opinion, and to me a pretty obvious one. But as I said in my original post, it's probably not one Wright shares.

[GoMuskies]

Tony Stubblefield to DePaul

[Xville]

Not head coaching related.... but

https://mobile.twitter.com/CorryvilleCarl/status/1377672972228526082

Interesting...how accurate is this guy?

If it is another assistant.....how are these guys getting jobs from a program that has had little success since they were brought in? Are people in the industry wise to the fact that Steele is the issue, and holding them back?

[Xville]

Tony Stubblefield to DePaul

Who?

[GoMuskies]

Who?

11 year Dana Altman assistant

[Xville]

11 year Dana Altman assistant

Well, he has worked on Henson, Altman and Cronin...so that's interesting

[Xavgrad08]

11 year Dana Altman assistant He was also an assistant under Mick at UC. I will wait three years to judge the hire. I am guessing DePaul fans are disappointed?

[GoMuskies]

I am guessing DePaul fans are disappointed?

Well, they thought they were getting Moser and ended up with someone none of them had ever heard of. I'm sure it will take a bit to come around, but he may be great.

[xavierj]

Interesting...how accurate is this guy?

If it is another assistant.....how are these guys getting jobs from a program that has had little success since they were brought in? Are people in the industry wise to the fact that Steele is the issue, and holding them back?

I think it is saying Jonas is possibly leaving to be an assistant somewhere else. He obviously is connected to Georgia where there is a ton of talent, so I am sure teams want that market badly. The problem with Jonas leaving would be that he is the coach who landed the only two recruits coming in. If he leaves, would they open things back up and possibly leave zero recruits coming in for next year? That would be less than ideal.

[SM#24]

Tennessee coming hard after Jonas.

[JTG]

I work with an IU grad. What you say above about IU is accurate. He even told me before the last hire, "They have to hire an IU grad. Only an IU grad understands how our program works."

Since their greatest coach ever went to OSU, I thought that was an odd statement. But that's apparently the attitude.

That's what happens when cousins have sex.

[GIMMFD]

I think it is saying Jonas is possibly leaving to be an assistant somewhere else. He obviously is connected to Georgia where there is a ton of talent, so I am sure teams want that market badly. The problem with Jonas leaving would be that he is the coach who landed the only two recruits coming in. If he leaves, would they open things back up and possibly leave zero recruits coming in for next year? That would be less than ideal.

Yeah, I would not be thrilled if we lost Hayes with how the class is shaping up next year, Steele already has one opening, wouldn't be thrilled to see him have to fill another especially with the roster turnover.

[GoMuskies]

I would be fine with Steele having another spot to fill on his staff. I just didn't want it to be THAT spot.

[noteggs]

I would be fine with Steele having another spot to fill on his staff. I just didn't want it to be THAT spot.

Going out on a limb here, DJ?

[XUGRAD80]

Brad Stevens to NC?

[Xville]

Brad Stevens to NC?

If the Celtics fired him, maybe he’d think about it..otherwise, any nba coach that would want to go back to college is insane

[XUGRAD80]

If the Celtics fired him, maybe he’d think about it..otherwise, any nba coach that would want to go back to college is insane

Pretty much agree....but I’m reading that he might be on the hot seat in Boston, and he certainly is highly thought of by most observers.

I think it really comes down to if NC is insistent upon keeping it “in the family”, or if they are willing to look outside of it and entertain a variety of candidates.

[JTG]

Can anyone confirm the Luke Murray return story on Facebook. I know it's 4/1, but it looked legit.

[Masterofreality]

Can anyone confirm the Luke Murray return story on Facebook. I know it's 4/1, but it looked legit.

Fake. A buddy of mine put that April Fools on there

[xavierj]

Fake. A buddy of mine put that April Fools on there

Ok. But it still could end up true when all said and done.

[xuphan]

Not head coaching related.... but

https://mobile.twitter.com/CorryvilleCarl/status/1377672972228526082

This will be a big setback to the program on the recruiting front as he has been our best recruiter during the Steele era. Hope we don’t lose Odom or others he has recruited. I really liked him as a player but what exactly does Dante Jackson bring to the program as an assistant coach? He has no recruiting ties and seems to need Steele to help him recruit. He seems like a helping a friend out hire by Steele. Steele needs to bring in two assistant coaches with major recruiting connections. Steele is going to be a busy man the next couple of months having to make the right choices for players and coaches to save his job next year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Can anyone confirm the Luke Murray return story on Facebook. I know it's 4/1, but it looked legit.

HA, sorry, that was me.

Did some procrastination today. found a website that makes fake tweets that look legit.

Tricked my friends and family with some even better ones, some XU related, some not.

All in good fun....I hope!

[XUGRAD80]

Mark Prosser is moving from Western Carolina to Winthrop.

Also reading that Moser is the leading candidate for Oklahoma.

[xuphan]

Mark Prosser is moving from Western Carolina to Winthrop.

Also reading that Moser is the leading candidate for Oklahoma.

Have you heard anything about who is replacing Johnson?

[drudy23]

This will be a big setback to the program on the recruiting front as he has been our best recruiter during the Steele era. Hope we don’t lose Odom or others he has recruited. I really liked him as a player but what exactly does Dante Jackson bring to the program as an assistant coach? He has no recruiting ties and seems to need Steele to help him recruit. He seems like a helping a friend out hire by Steele. Steele needs to bring in two assistant coaches with major recruiting connections. Steele is going to be a busy man the next couple of months having to make the right choices for players and coaches to save his job next year.

I think Steele likes it that way, but it's not sustainable. This is all part of being the CEO - you have to hire good people and let them do their jobs. If you want your hands in all the details, don't take the hot seat.

And if Dante is "his guy", he won't cut ties.

[JTG]

Mark Prosser is moving from Western Carolina to Winthrop.

Also reading that Moser is the leading candidate for Oklahoma.

Moser won't go 80 miles away to Marquette, but he'll go to Walmart country in Norman, OK.? I can't see that.

[Xavier]

This will be a big setback to the program on the recruiting front as he has been our best recruiter during the Steele era. Hope we don’t lose Odom or others he has recruited. I really liked him as a player but what exactly does Dante Jackson bring to the program as an assistant coach? He has no recruiting ties and seems to need Steele to help him recruit. He seems like a helping a friend out hire by Steele. Steele needs to bring in two assistant coaches with major recruiting connections. Steele is going to be a busy man the next couple of months having to make the right choices for players and coaches to save his job next year.

I think I saw somewhere that Hayes got beat out and will be staying at X.

[94GRAD]

Moser won't go 80 miles away to Marquette, but he'll go to Walmart country in Norman, OK.? I can't see that.

Can you see it now?

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1378096925828919297

[xavierj]

I think I saw somewhere that Hayes got beat out and will be staying at X.

Beat out or turned it down. I heard it was his and they wanted him. Glad it looks like he will be staying.

[GIMMFD]

Can you see it now?

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1378096925828919297

Wonder how much they offered him, great hire by Oklahoma, though I'm really curious to see what Moser's thought process was for that.

[JEHARDI]

Can you see it now?

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1378096925828919297

Where is that blowhard MOR now and what happened to those fat cats at Loyola?

[Masterofreality]

Where is that blowhard MOR now and what happened to those fat cats at Loyola?

Blowhard?? Follow me:
-Moser turned down big money at St. John’s
-Moser turned down big money at Marquette
-Moser turned down big money at DePaul
-He was at Loyola for 10 years
-Mosers daughter plays on Loyola’s women’s basketball team
-Moser himself said numerous times that he could never see himself leaving Chicago
-I was told by a big Loyola booster that the school made a similar offer to Moser that Xavier made to Chris Mack when he was considering going to Louisville. That despite the fact that their gym is half the size of Cintas and they don’t have Fox TV money. Seems pretty “Fat Catty” to me.

Except for the last point, All that has been reported on. Oklahoma apparently offered 6 years of huge oil money. Moser is 51. He sees this as his last coaching job. He also decided to test his chops in the Number One League in the Country before he retires.
Good for him. He made a decision that was good for him at this stage of life.
Everything I have said has been reported on and true.

Who’s the blowhard? Please get help for your anger problem.

[JEHARDI]

Blowhard?? Follow me:
-Moser turned down big money at St. John’s
-Moser turned down big money at Marquette
-Moser turned down big money at DePaul
-He was at Loyola for 10 years
-Mosers daughter plays on Loyola’s women’s basketball team
-Moser himself said numerous times that he could never see himself leaving Chicago
-I was told by a big Loyola booster that the school made a similar offer to Moser that Xavier made to Chris Mack when he was considering going to Louisville. That despite the fact that their gym is half the size of Cintas and they don’t have Fox TV money. Seems pretty “Fat Catty” to me.

Except for the last point, All that has been reported on. Oklahoma apparently offered 6 years of huge oil money. Moser is 51. He sees this as his last coaching job. He also decided to test his chops in the Number One League in the Country before he retires.
Good for him. He made a decision that was good for him at this stage of life.
Everything I have said has been reported on and true.

Who’s the blowhard? Please get help for your anger problem.

Not surprising at all that he is leaving and cashing in, good for him and his family, he has earned it, My post is tongue in cheek, you were so sure and righteous at the keyboard in your assessment of thetype of job he would take, just like you are so sure you know what is going on with X and what Travis should or should not be doing.No anger here, disappointed in our season but I know those who are closely involved were much more disappointed. I have confidence that Travis and the X leadership will get it done. I am not a bitter keyboard warrior.

[Xavgrad08]

Kansas has given Bill Self a life time contract. Given the current NCAA investigation curious about the schools ability to terminate if necessary. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31183214/kansas-jayhawks-sign-bill-self-life-contract?platform=amp

[Masterofreality]

Not surprising at all that he is leaving and cashing in, good for him and his family, he has earned it, My post is tongue in cheek, you were so sure and righteous at the keyboard in your assessment of thetype of job he would take, just like you are so sure you know what is going on with X and what Travis should or should not be doing.No anger here, disappointed in our season but I know those who are closely involved were much more disappointed. I have confidence that Travis and the X leadership will get it done. I am not a bitter keyboard warrior.

Who says I’m bitter? I state facts and fact based opinion on what I’ve heard from pretty credible people.
Steele has failed so far. That is fact. You “have confidence”. Good but the second half of the Butler game doesn’t engender that to me. That is “fact based opinion”.
And “tongue in cheek” isn’t what is described when you call someone a “Blowhard”.
Maybe being a “Blowhard” is when you make a statement about Dino Gaudio on another thread with absolutely zero knowledge of anything about it. Just maybe. Hmmmmmmmm???

[Mrs. Garrett]

Blowhard?? Follow me:
-Moser turned down big money at St. John’s
-Moser turned down big money at Marquette
-Moser turned down big money at DePaul
-He was at Loyola for 10 years
-Mosers daughter plays on Loyola’s women’s basketball team
-Moser himself said numerous times that he could never see himself leaving Chicago
-I was told by a big Loyola booster that the school made a similar offer to Moser that Xavier made to Chris Mack when he was considering going to Louisville. That despite the fact that their gym is half the size of Cintas and they don’t have Fox TV money. Seems pretty “Fat Catty” to me.

Except for the last point, All that has been reported on. Oklahoma apparently offered 6 years of huge oil money. Moser is 51. He sees this as his last coaching job. He also decided to test his chops in the Number One League in the Country before he retires.
Good for him. He made a decision that was good for him at this stage of life.
Everything I have said has been reported on and true.

Who’s the blowhard? Please get help for your anger problem.

From everything I heard about Moser, I also thought he would never leave Chicago. Living here in Chicago, the constant rumors were that he was waiting for DePaul or Northwestern to open up. The thing he was able to do here was develop good relationships with the high school coaches in the area. Especially the Public League which can be difficult to navigate.

Rumor was Loyola came in at $2.2 mil a year compared to OU @ $2.5. Good luck to him, guess he earned it.

[GoMuskies]

Hubert Doherty....err, I mean Davis to UNC.

If we have an opening next year, Wes Miller please.

[xubrew]

Who says I’m bitter? I state facts and fact based opinion on what I’ve heard from pretty credible people.
Steele has failed so far. That is fact. You “have confidence”. Good but the second half of the Butler game doesn’t engender that to me. That is “fact based opinion”.
And “tongue in cheek” isn’t what is described when you call someone a “Blowhard”.
Maybe being a “Blowhard” is when you make a statement about Dino Gaudio on another thread with absolutely zero knowledge of anything about it. Just maybe. Hmmmmmmmm???

MOR is such a blowhard!!

Now THAT was tongue-in-cheek! See the difference?

[MADXSTER]

I love MOR

He is knowledgeable and insightful when it comes to Xavier hoops and other matters. However, I completely disagree with his reasoning for hating on Steele.

[XUGRAD80]

Hubert Doherty....err, I mean Davis to UNC.

If we have an opening next year, Wes Miller please.


That happened MUCH quicker than I thought it would, also surprised by the choice. Wonder who all they talked with before this decision was made?

[GIMMFD]

That happened MUCH quicker than I thought it would, also surprised by the choice. Wonder who all they talked with before this decision was made?

If any of the stupid thoughts of calling Jay Wright, Mark Few, or Brad Stevens were true, I'd assume a lot of phone calls not returned, an interview of Wes Miller, but then ultimately keeping it in the family.

[JTG]

Sean Miller out at Arizona. Just on radio here in Indy.

[GoMuskies]

I can't believe he lasted as long as he did.

[Xville]

So is it because Arizona actually has a soul, unlike Kansas who just gave self a lifetime contract, or because of performance?

[GoMuskies]

So is it because Arizona actually has a soul, unlike Kansas who just gave self a lifetime contract, or because of performance?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Good one.

[paulxu]

Maybe he'll come back to sUCks.

[Blue Blooded-05]

My thoughts:
- 50% karma is a bitch!
- 50% lets bring him back!

[Blue Blooded-05]

My thoughts:
- 50% karma is a bitch!
- 50% lets bring him back!

EDIT
- 49% karma is a bitch!
- 51% let’s bring him back!

[xavierj]

EDIT
- 49% karma is a bitch!
- 51% let’s bring him back!

I would be fine with him taking the role of Graves and mentoring Travis

[muskiefan82]

I would be fine with him taking the role of Graves and mentoring Travis

I find myself questioning my belief system and think this is something I could support.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I would be fine with him taking the role of Graves and mentoring Travis

Ha, don't think that is what he meant. I mean if Miller would do that you take that in half a second.

Let's hope we have the kind of year we should next year and we don't have to think about a ne coach, but if we did, I'd take Miller back for sure as long as no NCAA sanctions came with him.

[paulxu]

I'd take Miller back for sure as long as no NCAA sanctions came with him.

Ifey at best.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ifey at best.

It's crazy though. Self is as dirty as they come and has major investigations going on....lifetime contract.

Miller isn't winning enough, that is why he was let go.

[XUGRAD80]

I loved Miller as the X coach. BUT....if he is as guilty as he appears to be there is NO way I want him back associated with X in ANY capacity.

[Blue Blooded-05]

I loved Miller as the X coach. BUT....if he is as guilty as he appears to be there is NO way I want him back associated with X in ANY capacity.

The Catholic Church is all about repentance and forgiveness and stuff. He can go to confession at Bellermine right before the press conference and henceforth all is forgiven. If it’s good enough for the big guy upstairs, it’s good enough for me.


My thoughts:
- 50% karma is a bitch!
- 50% lets bring him back!


EDIT
- 49% karma is a bitch!
- 51% let’s bring him back!

EDIT
- 48% karma is a bitch!
- 52% lets bring him back!

[paulxu]

They have confession in Kansas?

[XUGRAD80]

The Catholic Church is all about repentance and forgiveness and stuff. He can go to confession at Bellermine right before the press conference and henceforth all is forgiven. If it’s good enough for the big guy upstairs, it’s good enough for me.





EDIT
- 48% karma is a bitch!
- 52% lets bring him back!

I can forgive him for cheating in Arizona....that doesn’t mean I would hire him in Ohio. :(.

[GoMuskies]

They have confession in Kansas?

Not in my experience.

[Smails]

Who gets a HC gig first..Sean or Archie?

[BandAid]

Who gets a HC gig first..Sean or Archie?

Archie

[UCGRAD4X]

Who gets a HC gig first..Sean or Archie?

Archie almost unquestionably. What with big brother likely sitting out a year while sanctions clear. I think teams want that to happen before taking a flier. The NBA rumor also lends itself to this assessment as well.

[XU 87]

Archie almost unquestionably. What with big brother likely sitting out a year while sanctions clear. I think teams want that to happen before taking a flier. The NBA rumor also lends itself to this assessment as well.

In light of the number and severity of allegations against Arizona, I think Sean is staring at a show-cause order for a number of years.

[XU_Lou]

Brannen gone at UC! You guys need to read this - he apparently was reporting to the CFO for Athletics for some reason??:

https://twitter.com/FOX19Jeremy/status/1380595235068207106/photo/1

Asst coach as interim:

https://twitter.com/Williams_Justin/status/1380601696976564227

[XUGRAD80]

Brannen gone at UC! You guys need to read this - he apparently was reporting to the CFO for Athletics for some reason??:

https://twitter.com/FOX19Jeremy/status/1380595235068207106/photo/1

Asst coach as interim:

https://twitter.com/Williams_Justin/status/1380601696976564227

I know that many of you here don’t care one iota about UC and wish them nothing but problems, but for some of us local guys this is not something we wanted to see. Like UC or not, Brannon is a local guy, whose extended family has had many basketball and business dealings with many in the greater Cincinnati area over the years. Personally, I went to HS with his uncle, worked in the same industry as his dad, and followed a cousin who played BB locally in HS and college. We like to see our locals succeed, especially in local schools and businesses. I’m not sure we will ever know the whole story here, but I can only say that up until the last couple of weeks, I had never heard anyone speak badly about him personally. Evidently the relationship between the coach and the players had deteriorated to such a point that there was no saving it, but it is hard for me to put that all on the coach without knowing all the facts. I wish him well, wish UC luck in finding a new coach and enough players to field a team, and hope they have some future success...except when competing against X.

[GoMuskies]

I wish Brannen well. I wish UC ill.

[muskiefan82]

The whole thing is just...off. So very strange. I hope that football school knows what they are doing because it sure doesn't seem that way

[JTG]

You're correct, I could give a flying crap about UC. He must have done something very seriously wrong , to get the boot in a matter of weeks. As for the local blah blah blah loyalty, I've lived in Indy my whole life and despise IU. Have friends in Louisville who loathe the Cards. If Brannen is a perv, or weirdo, he needed to go. I doubt he got fired just because some players didn't like his style.

[UCGRAD4X]

You're correct, I could give a flying crap about UC. He must have done something very seriously wrong , to get the boot in a matter of weeks. As for the local blah blah blah loyalty, I've lived in Indy my whole life and despise IU. Have friends in Louisville who loathe the Cards. If Brannen is a perv, or weirdo, he needed to go. I doubt he got fired just because some players didn't like his style.

Unless you have any credible information to back up these kinds of allegations, I would steer clear. That is tough toothpaste to try to put back into the tube.

[XU_Lou]

Brannen tweets: "I look forward to the opportunity to bring the true facts to light."

definitely a strange situation: https://twitter.com/coachbrannen/status/1380636384608784384/photo/1

[JTG]

Unless you have any credible information to back up these kinds of allegations, I would steer clear. That is tough toothpaste to try to put back into the tube.

I said IF.....not that he did anything. Just that he wasn't fired for talking mean to his players. If that was the case Huggins and Cronin would have been fired weekly.

[paulxu]

Here at home:

https://goxavier.com/news/2021/4/9/athletic-department-matt-jennings-has-been-promoted-to-assistant-athletic-director.aspx

[noteggs]

Here at home:

https://goxavier.com/news/2021/4/9/athletic-department-matt-jennings-has-been-promoted-to-assistant-athletic-director.aspx

Very nice for Matt and deserves the promotion. Will be interesting to see who he helps to replace the basketball strength coach.

[SM#24]

With that long hair ?

[xubrew]

I wish Brannen well. I wish UC ill.

You'll probably end up getting your wish. As I understand it UC is going to have to pay him his entire contract because he did absolutely nothing to violate any part of it. So, just based on that alone, he's already doing pretty well.

The mindset of the basketball world doesn't seem to be 'Brannen is a screw-up.' It seems to be 'WTF is wrong with UC?' It does not just look like he did not do anything wrong. It looks like they tried to find something and couldn't. It looks like that for whatever reason they wanted something to be wrong, and yet nothing really was. So, they just got rid of him anyway. That's really not a good look.

[bjf123]

I’m thinking he’s not getting his buyout at the moment. The comments by both Brannen and his lawyer make it sound like a lawsuit might be forthcoming.


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[UCGRAD4X]

I’m thinking he’s not getting his buyout at the moment. The comments by both Brannen and his lawyer make it sound like a lawsuit might be forthcoming.

I think he is definitely setting the expectation and unless and until he gets his full buyout, that is exactly what you would expect.

[xavierj]

You'll probably end up getting your wish. As I understand it UC is going to have to pay him his entire contract because he did absolutely nothing to violate any part of it. So, just based on that alone, he's already doing pretty well.

The mindset of the basketball world doesn't seem to be 'Brannen is a screw-up.' It seems to be 'WTF is wrong with UC?' It does not just look like he did not do anything wrong. It looks like they tried to find something and couldn't. It looks like that for whatever reason they wanted something to be wrong, and yet nothing really was. So, they just got rid of him anyway. That's really not a good look.

How do you know he did nothing wrong? Maybe the AD knows he did and also maybe the AD knows he isn’t taking them anywhere so why not just cut your losses now? Brannen is a clown. UC will be better in the long run unfortunately.

[bjf123]

Here’s a link to a tweet showing a two page letter from Brannen’s attorney. While clearly not an impartial point of view, if half of what he alleges is true, UC’s got some serious trouble ahead.

https://twitter.com/williams_justin/status/1380695845809631239?s=21


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[xudash]

Here’s a link to a tweet showing a two page letter from Brannen’s attorney. While clearly not an impartial point of view, if half of what he alleges is true, UC’s got some serious trouble ahead.

https://twitter.com/williams_justin/status/1380695845809631239?s=21

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UC’s handling of the matter is already getting lambasted in the Cincinnati paper. Arrogance. Secrecy. Kind of “mind your own business” attitude. Not a good look for the institution.

[xavierj]

UC’s handling of the matter is already getting lambasted in the Cincinnati paper. Arrogance. Secrecy. Kind of “mind your own business” attitude. Not a good look for the institution.

Wouldn’t it be smart to let it play out in court? Not a lawyer but I know we have some on here. To me I think Brannens attorney is trying to get Uc to say something because he thinks his client might be screwed. UC’s AD is a compliance guy, he isn’t going to put out in the public his case.

[paulxu]

Does Archie Miller lose his $10 million buy out if he takes the UC job?

[xudash]

Wouldn’t it be smart to let it play out in court? Not a lawyer but I know we have some on here. To me I think Brannens attorney is trying to get Uc to say something because he thinks his client might be screwed. UC’s AD is a compliance guy, he isn’t going to put out in the public his case.

Just FYI, the article was about UC's behavior in general with a number of incidents that have occurred there, not just with this Brannen episode, although this episode really set off the journalist that wrote it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Does Archie Miller lose his $10 million buy out if he takes the UC job?

Gets paid the difference of whatever he is making with the next school that hires him.

[XUGRAD80]

Does Archie Miller lose his $10 million buy out if he takes the UC job?

Probably, but depends on how it was written. Some buyout clauses are paid over time and cease as soon as the coach takes on a new job.

[paulxu]

Gets paid the difference of whatever he is making with the next school that hires him.


Probably, but depends on how it was written. Some buyout clauses are paid over time and cease as soon as the coach takes on a new job.

I sort of got the impression that some wealthy donors just walked in and handing him a check for the $10 million.
If not, UC should hire him for $1/year, and let IU pay for his salary.

[xubrew]

How do you know he did nothing wrong? Maybe the AD knows he did and also maybe the AD knows he isn’t taking them anywhere so why not just cut your losses now? Brannen is a clown. UC will be better in the long run unfortunately.

Well if he did do something wrong and UC some how ends up getting stuck paying his entire contract after trying to find something wrong then that is also not a very good look. UC seems to have a bit of a recent history of making bad decisions, so I highly suspect that this is another one.

[murray87]

You just get the sense that the UC administration couldn't care less about the future health of their basketball program with all the land mines they've stepped on.

[xavierj]

You just get the sense that the UC administration couldn't care less about the future health of their basketball program with all the land mines they've stepped on.

On the flip side they just knew Brannen was not the right guy and we’re afraid how far he would set them back and decided to get out as fast as they could. Brannen had some really bad losses in his two years, and got lucky by avoiding a ton more. He had zero recruits signed up and the program was slipping. Maybe in the end they made the absolute right choice. We shall see.

[xubrew]

On the flip side they just knew Brannen was not the right guy and we’re afraid how far he would set them back and decided to get out as fast as they could. Brannen had some really bad losses in his two years, and got lucky by avoiding a ton more. He had zero recruits signed up and the program was slipping. Maybe in the end they made the absolute right choice. We shall see.

Well, if that's the case then they settled on a contract that they are now having a hell of a time getting out of. It's not like he'd been to multiple Final Fours. So either they gave him a contract with way more concessions and guarantees than what a guy coming from a mid-major deserved, or they didn't and he didn't really violate any part of his contract, so they're going to have to pay through the nose to get rid of him.

Like you said, we shall see, but I think UC ends up looking pretty foolish over this. If he did nothing wrong, then why get rid of him? If he did do something wrong, then why did you make it so contractually difficult to get rid of someone who had done something wrong?

And another guy who wanted to stay but was given an insultingly low-ball offer just went to the Final Four with his new team. So there is some reason to be questioning their decision-making here.

[xavierj]

Well, if that's the case then they settled on a contract that they are now having a hell of a time getting out of. It's not like he'd been to multiple Final Fours. So either they gave him a contract with way more concessions and guarantees than what a guy coming from a mid-major deserved, or they didn't and he didn't really violate any part of his contract, so they're going to have to pay through the nose to get rid of him.

Like you said, we shall see, but I think UC ends up looking pretty foolish over this. If he did nothing wrong, then why get rid of him? If he did do something wrong, then why did you make it so contractually difficult to get rid of someone who had done something wrong?

And another guy who wanted to stay but was given an insultingly low-ball offer just went to the Final Four with his new team. So there is some reason to be questioning their decision-making here.

I believe the current AD had nothing to do with Mick leaving and nothing to do with hiring Brannen. Again maybe the AD just felt that for the good of the program they needed someone other than Brannen coaching the team. I agree with that because Brannen was not going to do well long term so why wait? Even if they have to pay it still very well may be the right call if you want bigger success. As for Mick there was a large section of the fan base that wanted him gone. Why the previous AD hired Brannen, I have no clue. It’s almost like the previous AD thought they had to hire someone with local ties for some reason.

[GoMuskies]

I believe the current AD had nothing to do with Mick leaving and nothing to do with hiring Brannen. Again maybe the AD just felt that for the good of the program they needed someone other than Brannen coaching the team.

If that's the case, that's not "cause", though. They were free to can Brannen anytime they wanted. Starting an investigation to try to find cause and save the buyout money is pretty riidiculous.

[xubrew]

If that's the case, that's not "cause", though. They were free to can Brannen anytime they wanted. Starting an investigation to try to find cause and save the buyout money is pretty riidiculous.

I'm anxious to see who they get next. If an AD pulls a stunt like this, it's usually a good idea to be pretty sure who that next person is going to be. Richard Pitino is available!!

[boozehound]

Well, if that's the case then they settled on a contract that they are now having a hell of a time getting out of. It's not like he'd been to multiple Final Fours. So either they gave him a contract with way more concessions and guarantees than what a guy coming from a mid-major deserved, or they didn't and he didn't really violate any part of his contract, so they're going to have to pay through the nose to get rid of him.

Like you said, we shall see, but I think UC ends up looking pretty foolish over this. If he did nothing wrong, then why get rid of him? If he did do something wrong, then why did you make it so contractually difficult to get rid of someone who had done something wrong?

And another guy who wanted to stay but was given an insultingly low-ball offer just went to the Final Four with his new team. So there is some reason to be questioning their decision-making here.

I just posted this in another thread, but how the hell Brannen got a $5MM buyout from UC is beyond me. That contract seems very favorable to Brannen given the resume he was coming in with.

[GoMuskies]

I'm anxious to see who they get next. If an AD pulls a stunt like this, it's usually a good idea to be pretty sure who that next person is going to be. Richard Pitino is available!!

I thought he went to New Mexico

[D-West & PO-Z]

On the flip side they just knew Brannen was not the right guy and we’re afraid how far he would set them back and decided to get out as fast as they could. Brannen had some really bad losses in his two years, and got lucky by avoiding a ton more. He had zero recruits signed up and the program was slipping. Maybe in the end they made the absolute right choice. We shall see.

Then just fire him and pay his buyout, don't create the mess that currently exists.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I thought he went to New Mexico

Yep, he did.

[xubrew]

I thought he went to New Mexico


Yep, he did.

Oops, my bad.

[xubrew]

I just posted this in another thread, but how the hell Brannen got a $5MM buyout from UC is beyond me. That contract seems very favorable to Brannen given the resume he was coming in with.

Yeah, the one person that seems rather unscathed in all this, at least in the long term, is Brannen. All signs point to him being about to get paid $5 million to not work. There is a word for people like that. They're called lottery winners.

Cincinnati, as a department, has low-balled a coach who had gone to nine straight NCAA Tournaments after taking over a program that was a complete sewage fire, and who I don't think ever sniffed a level 1, 2, or 3 violation (and who has since gone to the Final Four). They follow that up with a very generous contract for a guy who had a good resume, but not THAT good. They are now trying to get out of it after just two years, and it's looking like a high probability that they will fail spectacularly. Even though they really wanted to find some sort of cause, they were not able to.

So, if you're a coach, do you want to swim in that water?? I'm guessing not.

[Final4]

So, if you're a coach, do you want to swim in that water?? I'm guessing not.

Erik Martin does.

[XUGRAD80]

I just posted this in another thread, but how the hell Brannen got a $5MM buyout from UC is beyond me. That contract seems very favorable to Brannen given the resume he was coming in with.

I believe the key is that if fired without cause then Brannon is entitled to the full value of the remaining contract, that’s how it gets to the 5+ million dollar value.

[bjf123]

Then just fire him and pay his buyout, don't create the mess that currently exists.

Except they can’t afford it.


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[hoopster68]

It will be interesting to see the amount the students' "athletic fee" will go up to feed Bear Brannen's purse!

[Lamont Sanford]

Yeah, the one person that seems rather unscathed in all this, at least in the long term, is Brannen. All signs point to him being about to get paid $5 million to not work. There is a word for people like that. They're called DEMOCRATS.



Fixed it for you.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Except they can’t afford it.


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Then don't fire him? I mean now they just look incompetent AND they will still have to pay him.

[xavierj]

Then don't fire him? I mean now they just look incompetent AND they will still have to pay him.

We don’t know they will have to pay him. It may be a technicality but the AD has 15 years in compliance. He isn’t stupid.

[XUGRAD80]

Except they can’t afford it.


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From what I’ve read and been told....the school had promised Fickle 10 mill in capital improvements, which after COVID was dropped to 5 mill. However, the speculation is that 5 mill will now need to be diverted to pay Brannon. So they end up paying off Brannon AND pissing Fickle off at the same time!

There are ALOT of threads on various UC boards and feeds that are not very complementary about Richie C. He might just pass Nancy Z as the most unpopular member of the UC administration in recent memory.

[D-West & PO-Z]

He isn’t stupid.

This is probably up for debate. We will see soon.

[UCGRAD4X]

From what I’ve read and been told....the school had promised Fickle 10 mill in capital improvements, which after COVID was dropped to 5 mill. However, the speculation is that 5 mill will now need to be diverted to pay Brannon. So they end up paying off Brannon AND pissing Fickle off at the same time!

There are ALOT of threads on various UC boards and feeds that are not very complementary about Richie C. He might just pass Nancy Z as the most unpopular member of the UC administration in recent memory.

Isn't their money in the COVID Relief Bill to cover this?

[XUGRAD80]

Isn't their money in the COVID Relief Bill to cover this?

That might be the only thing that is more unpopular with people on UC boards than Nancy.

[murray87]

Once Fickle gets tired of their small time operation and leaves for greener ($$$) pastures, you may as well shut down all athletics in Clifton.

[bleedXblue]

It will be interesting to see the amount the students' "athletic fee" will go up to feed Bear Brannen's purse!

Never seen such a ridiculous thing as a parent paying tuition. Yes, my kid goes to UC. I know......they have some great programs. But, to make students pay a fee for athletics at an educational institution is preposterous. If it cant fund itself, shut it down.

[xubrew]

Never seen such a ridiculous thing as a parent paying tuition. Yes, my kid goes to UC. I know......they have some great programs. But, to make students pay a fee for athletics at an educational institution is preposterous. If it cant fund itself, shut it down.

At least they're honest about it (well....sort of). They could just call it something more generic like a "student activities fee." That's what a lot of schools do. The fact of the matter is that a lot of schools probably throw more money from student fees toward athletics than what UC does, but just call it something else.

And, I say "sort of" because I suspect the reality is that they are just looking for ways to take peoples' money, and having something called an "athletics fee" is a good way to do that. At least for now.

[MADXSTER]

But, to make students pay a fee for athletics at an educational institution is preposterous. If it cant fund itself, shut it down.

Last that I saw, Ohio State was the only university/college in Ohio that it's athletics were 100% self funded.

[XUGRAD80]

Never seen such a ridiculous thing as a parent paying tuition...... But, to make students pay a fee for athletics at an educational institution is preposterous. If it cant fund itself, shut it down.

Yet how many people are more than willing to pay higher taxes for "good schools"? In many cases what are they told will shut down if a new levy fails to pass? A...Athletics and extra curricular activities. So in essence, people are willing to pay higher taxes to support athletics, but aren't willing to pay fees for the same thing?

What is the argument there? A...that good schools keep your houses values up and make for a better community. So why is that only true for high schools, and not for colleges? Doesn't the fact that a college is part of a community or neighborhood improve the community as a whole? Doesn't it help when the college is well known and respected? Don't strong athletic departments usually help the reputation of the school too?

Yes, Xavier and UC are both urban campuses and all the communities around them are not the greatest today. But that wasn't always true, was it? When these schools were founded in their present locations, they weren't in 'urban' areas. Over time the areas grew around them, were considered very nice communities, and then went downhill. However, today much of that is reversing and many of these neighborhoods are coming back. The schools are a major draw and reason for that rebirth. And if the schools weren't also doing well, partly because of the successes of their athletic programs, then the rebirth of the neighborhoods around them probably wouldn't be taking place either. Successful athletic teams attract students to the colleges. More students attracts more investment in the schools and more private and public investment in the surrounding communities.

This is but one reason that getting the right coach for the teams....especially in the "money" sports...is so important, AND a reason why those coaches can get such high salaries.

[paulxu]

Last that I saw, Ohio State was the only university/college in Ohio that it's athletics were 100% self funded.

I probably well off base here, but doesn't Xavier self fund athletics. I remembering an article from a few years back from Forbes that showed (I think) that the revenue generated by basketball was far in excess of expenses, but perhaps enough to cover some other sports.

Would be interested to know from people who are close to the school and know its financial situations.

[XUGRAD80]

I probably well off base here, but doesn't Xavier self fund athletics. I remembering an article from a few years back from Forbes that showed (I think) that the revenue generated by basketball was far in excess of expenses, but perhaps enough to cover some other sports.

Would be interested to know from people who are close to the school and know its financial situations.

Probably BB, but I really doubt that the rest of the sports are covered within the department by just revenues from attendance,TV/radio, and fund raising.

This has been discussed before here (and elsewhere) but some of it comes down to what are the true costs and how is the accounting/bookkeeping done. I thought I remembered that OSU, by state law, has to be a self funding department, but it is only because of how they do the accounting that they can claim it is.

Would be very interesting to see the actual books laid out in detail, but that will never happen.

[xubrew]

Probably BB, but I really doubt that the rest of the sports are covered within the department by just revenues from attendance,TV/radio, and fund raising.

This has been discussed before here (and elsewhere) but some of it comes down to what are the true costs and how is the accounting/bookkeeping done. I thought I remembered that OSU, by state law, has to be a self funding department, but it is only because of how they do the accounting that they can claim it is.

Would be very interesting to see the actual books laid out in detail, but that will never happen.


You pretty much nailed it.

Most people don't really understand how the finances of college athletics work...including many who work in college athletics.

When you hear things like "every department loses money on athletics," notice that you often hear the word 'DEPARTMENT' and not the 'INSTITUTION.' Most (not all) of what a typical athletic department spends is money that does not leave the school. The best way I've heard someone put this is that it does not cost you $10,000 to write yourself a check for $10,000. Scholarships really do not cost the university a cent. It is, perhaps, and expense to the athletic department, but they are writing those checks right back to the university. At a school like Xavier where there is limited enrollment it is arguably an expense to the institution on the grounds that if a basketball player were not getting a full scholarship then another regular student would be paying full tuition in his/her place. But, at a school like UC, that is actually looking to grow its enrollment, athletes are not taking the place of any tuition paying students. They are there in addition to those paying tuition, not in place of them. So, for them, scholarships don't cost the overall institution a thing. Neither does housing, or meal plans, or books, or anything else that is basically paid to another part of the campus.

Departments find some creative ways to spend money. My favorite is the "facilities fee." The university "charges" the athletic department rent to use the facilities. This is really just a way for schools to make it look like athletics is spending money and not turning a profit, when in reality they are just writing a check to the athletic department for the use of the football and baseball fields.

A few years ago, UAB shut down its football program to save money. It was reported about how much the school was spending on football, and everyone assumed that this would turn into money saved. When it was reported that tuition was not going to decrease by an even negligible amount, and it was then discovered that while football did spend a lot of money, the vast majority of it was spent on campus and really wasn't costing the school anything, it was back in less than six months. They discovered that they were actually making money on football in the overall grand scheme of things.

It all depends on how you count the money. For sports at Xavier that aren't full scholarship sports, are you counting the tuition those players are paying out of their own pocket as revenue generated? After all, they probably wouldn't be at Xavier at all if it weren't for that sport. Jacksonville recently cut it's non scholarship football program as a money saving measure only to have a lot of their students who were on the football team suddenly not paying tuition anymore. I have some friends that work and/or coach at the D2 and D3 levels, and they say that those schools would not be able to keep the doors open if it weren't for athletics because of how many students it attracts. If a school like Mount Saint Joseph's or Thomas More were to cut athletics, or just cut football, they'd lose over ten percent of their tuition paying students. Even at the FBS level, UAB quickly discovered that in addition to 85 scholarships not costing anything, the 40-50 walk-ons who are paying tuition were going to leave as well, and that would mean lost revenue.

Another favorite story of mine was at (I think) Eastern Illinois. A group of faculty senate members were railing on athletics for all the money it was costing the school and wanted the number of scholarships cut. They finally got their way. When the next fiscal year rolled around, they were astounded to find less money in the general fund. The reason was because there were fewer checks being written by athletics. So...it didn't save them anything. They reduced the amount of money given to athletics to cover scholarships, but the amount of money that athletics paid to the school was also reduced, so they ended up in exactly the same spot.

If UC, and other schools like htem, shut down athletics entirely, I bet the overall dollar amount that students pay to go there would not decrease at all. It may even increase. Athletics does not generate the billions of dollars for a single institution that a lot of critics seem to think that it does, but it also does not cost the schools billions of dollars the way a lot of critics seem to think that it does.

[MHettel]

Yet how many people are more than willing to pay higher taxes for "good schools"? In many cases what are they told will shut down if a new levy fails to pass? A...Athletics and extra curricular activities. So in essence, people are willing to pay higher taxes to support athletics, but aren't willing to pay fees for the same thing?

What is the argument there? A...that good schools keep your houses values up and make for a better community. So why is that only true for high schools, and not for colleges? Doesn't the fact that a college is part of a community or neighborhood improve the community as a whole? Doesn't it help when the college is well known and respected? Don't strong athletic departments usually help the reputation of the school too?


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I dont think you can compare the willingness of homeowners to pay increased taxes for a "better" school district to the idea that people should pay taxes to support a local university.

The distinction here is that the tax payers who fund a school district are also the direct recipients of the improvements because their children attend those (presumably better) schools, and their home value could appreciate due to the attractiveness of the district. To take it further, their kids MUST attend those schools (assuming public, and with FEW exceptions), and other out of district children CANNOT attend those schools. So the incremental taxes are kind of like an investment.

But colleges do not have requirements to attend one near where you live, nor do they exclude attendance from those that don't live nearby. So, If I'm living near a university and I have to pay taxes to fund it, I'm a little irritated that my kids don't go there, and that other kids who aren't paying the taxes get to benefit directly from the taxes I paid.

Not the same thing to me...

[XUGRAD80]

I dont think you can compare the willingness of homeowners to pay increased taxes for a "better" school district to the idea that people should pay taxes to support a local university.

The distinction here is that the tax payers who fund a school district are also the direct recipients of the improvements because their children attend those (presumably better) schools, and their home value could appreciate due to the attractiveness of the district. To take it further, their kids MUST attend those schools (assuming public, and with FEW exceptions), and other out of district children CANNOT attend those schools. So the incremental taxes are kind of like an investment.

But colleges do not have requirements to attend one near where you live, nor do they exclude attendance from those that don't live nearby. So, If I'm living near a university and I have to pay taxes to fund it, I'm a little irritated that my kids don't go there, and that other kids who aren't paying the taxes get to benefit directly from the taxes I paid.

Not the same thing to me...

You’re correct, it’s not exactly the same. I did a poor job of explaining myself. My point there is that the vast majority of students want to attend a college not just for the academics, but also for the social activities. High level football, basketball, etc. helps that happen. Not just from the games themselves, but from the excitement that it helps to build around campus, and the pride that it helps students to develop in their school. It attracts students to the school. It attracts businesses to the areas around the schools......It also can also make a degree from that school more valuable....Would a degree from ND mean as much if they weren’t so well known? And what are they well known for? Football. I’m guessing that they have a fine business school and education department, but the vast majority of people (around the world) have no idea about anything else than that they have a great college football history.

Having a good school system where you live enhances the value of your house, so people that understand that have no problem with paying taxes for their schools. They understand just how it helps them. Even if they don’t have kids in school any longer.

Likewise, Having a well known football and/or basketball team at your college can enhance the value of your degree. Even for the students that don’t directly participate, it can enhance their college experience, indirectly improve the area that surrounds their school, lead to an improved overall college experience, and make their degree more valuable. Sometimes it’s just a simple as someone from Xavier might get an interview, while someone from Cederville College doesn’t because the HR person has heard of X and hasn’t ever heard of the other school. So every student paying a small fee to support those programs is really just an investment in the value of their degree and in the improvement of their college experience. It may not pay one back directly like property taxes can, but it can still pay one back in the short and long run.

[Xville]

You’re correct, it’s not exactly the same. I did a poor job of explaining myself. My point there is that the vast majority of students want to attend a college not just for the academics, but also for the social activities. High level football, basketball, etc. helps that happen. Not just from the games themselves, but from the excitement that it helps to build around campus, and the pride that it helps students to develop in their school. It attracts students to the school. It attracts businesses to the areas around the schools......It also can also make a degree from that school more valuable....Would a degree from ND mean as much if they weren’t so well known? And what are they well known for? Football. I’m guessing that they have a fine business school and education department, but the vast majority of people (around the world) have no idea about anything else than that they have a great college football history.

Having a good school system where you live enhances the value of your house, so people that understand that have no problem with paying taxes for their schools. They understand just how it helps them. Even if they don’t have kids in school any longer.

Likewise, Having a well known football and/or basketball team at your college can enhance the value of your degree. Even for the students that don’t directly participate, it can enhance their college experience, indirectly improve the area that surrounds their school, lead to an improved overall college experience, and make their degree more valuable. Sometimes it’s just a simple as someone from Xavier might get an interview, while someone from Cederville College doesn’t because the HR person has heard of X and hasn’t ever heard of the other school. So every student paying a small fee to support those programs is really just an investment in the value of their degree and in the improvement of their college experience. It may not pay one back directly like property taxes can, but it can still pay one back in the short and long run.

Slightly off topic but something you posted reminded me of something. Watched the college admissions scandal “documentary” the other night which was ok, but something I thought was interesting that they pointed out. They talked about these schools whether it is Ivy League, or whatever good school you can think of and essentially how they are rated by things like us news. How are they rated? Prestige... and what is that...basically getting as many people to apply to their school as possible so they can lower their acceptance rate.

Anyways, that was one part of the doc I thought was interesting...they had former admissions officers interviewed that said you can basically go to almost any school in America and get a great education, and diplomas from x,y,z mean next to nothing in the grand scheme of things, but yet extremely rich people will do almost anything to get their kids into certain schools, and 16-18 year olds will do the same.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is assistant coaches but I hadn’t heard this until I saw the Zegarowski news (he’s turning pro) but Creighton has lost 2 assistant coaches this off season. They will have an entire new starting 5 next year. They are not going to be good.

[xavierj]

This is assistant coaches but I hadn’t heard this until I saw the Zegarowski news (he’s turning pro) but Creighton has lost 2 assistant coaches this off season. They will have an entire new starting 5 next year. They are not going to be good.

Ballock, Jefferson and Mahoney leaving too?

[XUBison]

Ballock, Jefferson and Mahoney leaving too?

Saw on Holy Land that Mahoney is declaring for the draft. Don’t know about the other two.

[XUBison]

You pretty much nailed it.

Most people don't really understand how the finances of college athletics work...including many who work in college athletics.

When you hear things like "every department loses money on athletics," notice that you often hear the word 'DEPARTMENT' and not the 'INSTITUTION.' Most (not all) of what a typical athletic department spends is money that does not leave the school. The best way I've heard someone put this is that it does not cost you $10,000 to write yourself a check for $10,000. Scholarships really do not cost the university a cent. It is, perhaps, and expense to the athletic department, but they are writing those checks right back to the university. At a school like Xavier where there is limited enrollment it is arguably an expense to the institution on the grounds that if a basketball player were not getting a full scholarship then another regular student would be paying full tuition in his/her place. But, at a school like UC, that is actually looking to grow its enrollment, athletes are not taking the place of any tuition paying students. They are there in addition to those paying tuition, not in place of them. So, for them, scholarships don't cost the overall institution a thing. Neither does housing, or meal plans, or books, or anything else that is basically paid to another part of the campus.

Departments find some creative ways to spend money. My favorite is the "facilities fee." The university "charges" the athletic department rent to use the facilities. This is really just a way for schools to make it look like athletics is spending money and not turning a profit, when in reality they are just writing a check to the athletic department for the use of the football and baseball fields.

A few years ago, UAB shut down its football program to save money. It was reported about how much the school was spending on football, and everyone assumed that this would turn into money saved. When it was reported that tuition was not going to decrease by an even negligible amount, and it was then discovered that while football did spend a lot of money, the vast majority of it was spent on campus and really wasn't costing the school anything, it was back in less than six months. They discovered that they were actually making money on football in the overall grand scheme of things.

It all depends on how you count the money. For sports at Xavier that aren't full scholarship sports, are you counting the tuition those players are paying out of their own pocket as revenue generated? After all, they probably wouldn't be at Xavier at all if it weren't for that sport. Jacksonville recently cut it's non scholarship football program as a money saving measure only to have a lot of their students who were on the football team suddenly not paying tuition anymore. I have some friends that work and/or coach at the D2 and D3 levels, and they say that those schools would not be able to keep the doors open if it weren't for athletics because of how many students it attracts. If a school like Mount Saint Joseph's or Thomas More were to cut athletics, or just cut football, they'd lose over ten percent of their tuition paying students. Even at the FBS level, UAB quickly discovered that in addition to 85 scholarships not costing anything, the 40-50 walk-ons who are paying tuition were going to leave as well, and that would mean lost revenue.

Another favorite story of mine was at (I think) Eastern Illinois. A group of faculty senate members were railing on athletics for all the money it was costing the school and wanted the number of scholarships cut. They finally got their way. When the next fiscal year rolled around, they were astounded to find less money in the general fund. The reason was because there were fewer checks being written by athletics. So...it didn't save them anything. They reduced the amount of money given to athletics to cover scholarships, but the amount of money that athletics paid to the school was also reduced, so they ended up in exactly the same spot.

If UC, and other schools like htem, shut down athletics entirely, I bet the overall dollar amount that students pay to go there would not decrease at all. It may even increase. Athletics does not generate the billions of dollars for a single institution that a lot of critics seem to think that it does, but it also does not cost the schools billions of dollars the way a lot of critics seem to think that it does.

This is a heck of a post.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ballock, Jefferson and Mahoney leaving too?

I saw this written somewhere else so it may have been wrong and thus I may be wrong.

[xubrew]

This is a heck of a post.

Thanks. I think.

[Xavgrad08]

Arizona has hired Gonzaga assistant Tommy Lloyd. Tommy has been instrumental in recruiting international talent for Gonzaga.

[XUGRAD80]

Wes Miller from UNC-Greensboro is the new UC coach.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wes Miller from UNC-Greensboro is the new UC coach.

That is a pretty solid hire.

[Lloyd Braun]

I thought Brannen was a solid hire too at the time... though Wes Miller has a better track record. I could be wrong but before Travis was hired I swear someone (xubrew?) mentioned Wes Miller as an up and comer.

[GoMuskies]

Fuck. I wanted Wes Miller to be available for us if necessary next year. Great hire for UC.

[Lloyd Braun]

Fuck. I wanted Wes Miller to be available for us if necessary next year. Great hire for UC.

Who’s to say he won’t be!? Bwahahaha

[xubrew]

I thought Brannen was a solid hire too at the time... though Wes Miller has a better track record. I could be wrong but before Travis was hired I swear someone (xubrew?) mentioned Wes Miller as an up and comer.

I don't know if I said that on here or not, but I've felt that way for a while.

Then again, I thought Brannen was a solid hire at the time. I actually still think he could have been. Brannen is the kind of guy that phases in his players, not his system. That probably isn't the best approach, but he's by no means the only coach that's like that, and some have been very successful with that approach. Mike Anderson comes to mind. By that I mean, in football terms, if Brannen were to get the job at Army, he'd implement the west coast passing offense right away. Never mind he doesn't have the players for it. He'll phase the players in and out rather than phasing his system in and out to suit the current players he's got. So what you end up with, at least initially, is a lot of players that don't like you. But, if he made it clear what he wanted to do when he was hired, and how long he felt it would take, then in my opinion they should have given him more time. Or...just not hired him at all if they didn't like that approach. But, I also don't know what the "investigation" is going to turn up either. It wouldn't shock me if that's all just a bunch of crap, but like everyone else I won't know for sure until it's over.

[GoMuskies]

I need to find a reason to hate this Miller guy, because I really wanted him to be Xavier's next coach, if necessary. So someone needs to find some dirty laundry on this guy. We can't have a good coach at UC that I actually like. Just does not work.

[xavierj]

I need to find a reason to hate this Miller guy, because I really wanted him to be Xavier's next coach, if necessary. So someone needs to find some dirty laundry on this guy. We can't have a good coach at UC that I actually like. Just does not work.

Time will tell. I mean he couldn’t beat Pat Kelsey lol, although they only played one time this last year, and his team went 21-9 last year. Has to be better than Brannen though. Don’t think he will give Xavier too many issues so the dominance over the last 23 years should continue.

[Masterofreality]

I need to find a reason to hate this Miller guy, because I really wanted him to be Xavier's next coach, if necessary. So someone needs to find some dirty laundry on this guy. We can't have a good coach at UC that I actually like. Just does not work.

Welp. Today in his press conference he specifically stated that he and they would “Kick That school across town’s behind”.
Winning a Press Conference < Winning a Game.
He SucKS already

[noteggs]

Welp. Today in his press conference he specifically stated that he and they would “Kick That school across town’s behind”.
Winning a Press Conference < Winning a Game.
He SucKS already

Yeah looks like it’s on! A nice rebuttal from Scruggs!

https://twitter.com/adamjbaum/status/1383104062091096065?s=10

[GIMMFD]

Welp. Today in his press conference he specifically stated that he and they would “Kick That school across town’s behind”.
Winning a Press Conference < Winning a Game.
He SucKS already

Bold strategy by him, especially considering our track record against UC lately.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is assistant coaches but I hadn’t heard this until I saw the Zegarowski news (he’s turning pro) but Creighton has lost 2 assistant coaches this off season. They will have an entire new starting 5 next year. They are not going to be good.


Ballock, Jefferson and Mahoney leaving too?


I saw this written somewhere else so it may have been wrong and thus I may be wrong.

Ballock signs with an agent. All 5 Creighton starters now gone. 2 assistant coaches gone.

Seems like its going to be a rough year in Omaha.

[Xuperman]

Time will tell. I mean he couldn’t beat Pat Kelsey lol, although they only played one time this last year, and his team went 21-9 last year. Has to be better than Brannen though. Don’t think he will give Xavier too many issues so the dominance over the last 23 years should continue.

I'm guessing Miller's Bearcats will have a UNC Greensboro feel. Their 7'1" center has transferred here and several more of their players have just hit the portal. He did pick up a Clemson transfer as well....none of these guys are that productive though.

Also, Madsen and Saunders Jr. pulled their names out of the portal and will return to UC.

[Masterofreality]

Sources: UConn's Dan Hurley will hire Luke Murray as an assistant coach. Murray was on staff at Louisville last season. Previously worked for Hurley at both Rhode Island and Wagner.

[Xville]

There's a rumor going around...i repeat RUMOR but it's a bit juicy. The rumor is that College of Charleston was set to hire Murray as their head coach, then the got fired at Louisville and they reconsidered due to optics of hiring a just fired assistant.

[drudy23]

Why did he get fired from UL?

[GoMuskies]

Why did he get fired from UL?

I think it was just that UofL sucked so Mack needed to shake things up.

[xudash]

He’s headed to UConn as an assistant.

[Xville]

I think it was just that UofL sucked so Mack needed to shake things up.

Probably one reason, there are also some rumblings that Murray and Mack had a falling out and we’re having arguments throughout the season.

[xavierj]

Probably one reason, there are also some rumblings that Murray and Mack had a falling out and we’re having arguments throughout the season.

Not a surprise. Mack is a dick. The Big East coaches didn’t like him and I am sure the ACC coaches feel the same way. He sure does like himself. Hasn’t changed since he was in college.

[Xville]

Not a surprise. Mack is a dick. The Big East coaches didn’t like him and I am sure the ACC coaches feel the same way. He sure does like himself. Hasn’t changed since he was in college.

Yep. It is funny listening to local radio here about him as well....lots of angst that since the end of the season, he has been mostly silent even though there has been quite a lot of movement within the staff as well as the roster.

He's definitely not a great fit for a program like Louisville that demands someone that is part coach, mayor, governor all in one. It would be fine if they were winning, but the fan base is used to someone like Pitino that gave a daily update of what was going on, and played the political game well.

[GoMuskies]

I think you hit on it that the winning is the key piece. Denny Crum spent his offseasons hunting and fishing for 30 years, and that was totally fine until they stopped going to the Final Four.