Some Perspective around the Nation at other programs/coaches

[xukeith]

Often I think how crappy this season was and how I expect different results in the offseason. I take a step back and peruse some other programs whose fans must not be so cheerful. Their coaches can't be whistling dixie either.. Since misery loves company, here are coaches from good, not good, and average capability and their respective recent accomplishments (2-5 year window)


Indiana - Archie Miller has been there 4 years and ....... not much has made fans celebrate. No NCAA.

Notre Dame - Mike Brey 3 out of past 4 years has had 1 NCAA bid

Stanford - Jared Haase - - 4/5 years no bid to NCAA.

Kansas St. - Bruce Weber 2 straight years of losing record , and no bids in obvious 2 years .

Temple - Aaron McKie nothing in 2 years. Where is Dunphry?

UMass - Matt McCall 4 years of losing. Do they still have a final 4 banner or did they burn it?

Richmond - Chris Mooney - 4 years No NCAA but they did have a winning record one year in past 4 years.

South Carolina - Frank Martin - 4 years of no NCAA

Mississippi St - Ben Howland - in 6 years has made NCAA once. All those final 4's he had with UCLA - oh the good ole' days.

UAB/UMiss - Andy Kennedy - (he is still alive) - 14 years and 2 NCAA bids

Texas A&M - Buzz Williams - 2 years no bid . After 3 good years with Virginia Tech.

[GoMuskies]

Steve Prohm has turned Iowa State into a dumpster fire. Some here think he might get the Wichita State job because he and the AD used to be on staff together at Murray State....but I think people here would literally get out the torches and pitchforks for the AD (who hasn't earned any goodwill, really) if he were to go down that path.

[paulxu]

That's a whole lotta "Fire Coach X" threads right there.

[xuphan]

Often I think how crappy this season was and how I expect different results in the offseason. I take a step back and peruse some other programs whose fans must not be so cheerful. Their coaches can't be whistling dixie either.. Since misery loves company, here are coaches from good, not good, and average capability and their respective recent accomplishments (2-5 year window)


Indiana - Archie Miller has been there 4 years and ....... not much has made fans celebrate. No NCAA.

Notre Dame - Mike Brey 3 out of past 4 years has had 1 NCAA bid

Stanford - Jared Haase - - 4/5 years no bid to NCAA.

Kansas St. - Bruce Weber 2 straight years of losing record , and no bids in obvious 2 years .

Temple - Aaron McKie nothing in 2 years. Where is Dunphry?

UMass - Matt McCall 4 years of losing. Do they still have a final 4 banner or did they burn it?

Richmond - Chris Mooney - 4 years No NCAA but they did have a winning record one year in past 4 years.

South Carolina - Frank Martin - 4 years of no NCAA

Mississippi St - Ben Howland - in 6 years has made NCAA once. All those final 4's he had with UCLA - oh the good ole' days.

UAB/UMiss - Andy Kennedy - (he is still alive) - 14 years and 2 NCAA bids

Texas A&M - Buzz Williams - 2 years no bid . After 3 good years with Virginia Tech.

I get what you are saying but to compare Steele and the Xavier program to a majority of the teams you have listed doesn’t sit well with me. Maybe I think too highly of the Xavier basketball program and tradition.

[AviatorX]

That's a whole lotta "Fire Coach X" threads right there.

Based on message board posts, Assembly Hall may burn to the ground if Archie is on the sidelines there in November.

[GoMuskies]

There's no chance Archie survives. I mean, I guess his only hope is that his AD is VERY sympathetic about the Covid situation. But even then, can't see it.

[AviatorX]

There's no chance Archie survives. I mean, I guess his only hope is that his AD is VERY sympathetic about the Covid situation. But even then, can't see it.

The two factors he has going for him are a buyout which shrinks considerably after next season and the “who the hell will take that job” factor. But yeah it’s ugly.

[Xavgrad08]

I couldn’t believe Archie has a buy out of 10 million. That is a big chunk of change after a football and basketball season with limited fans and less revenue. I guess if they started a go fund me IU fans would donate enthusiastically.

[Drew]

I couldn’t believe Archie has a buy out of 10 million. That is a big chunk of change after a football and basketball season with limited fans and less revenue. I guess if they started a go fund me IU fans would donate enthusiastically.

If only there were money to pay the players.

[XUGRAD80]

Other than Indiana and ND, none of those schools have any recent history comparable to X. Considering the recruiting advantage that both of those schools have over X, I’m shocked that they haven’t had more recent success.

[SM#24]

As I mentioned in a another thread, I can't think of a program that hit a home run with its last 6 coaches. Maybe us asking for 7 in a row is pressing the odds too much. As far as the quality of the team they assumed, I place Travis' situation right in the middle. Not as good as Pete, Thad or Mack but better than Staak, Skip and Sean.

[AviatorX]

I couldn’t believe Archie has a buy out of 10 million. That is a big chunk of change after a football and basketball season with limited fans and less revenue. I guess if they started a go fund me IU fans would donate enthusiastically.

Gotta remember when he took the job he was basically anointed a modern version of Bob Knight with his demeanor and style of play. In all seriousness, I am shocked he hasn’t won there. And it hasn’t been a talent issue. For Xavier fans scratching their heads on the KyKy situation, look at Khristian Lander’s recruiting profile and production/playing time.

There’s also a brand new AD and an outgoing President. And the team is basically guaranteed to lose their far and away best player and only has a Moeller big man coming in. The situation basically makes Xavier’s stability look like Nova.

[Xavgrad08]

Thanks for the additional info about IU aviator. I definitely thought Archie was going to be a solid hire given that he took Dayton to the elite eight. Speaking of the Millers, Sean’s contract is up after next season. Meaning he needs a contract extension not to be a lame duck coach.Situation sounds like it is being mis handled. Either fire Sean, or Extend. Situation is a mess.https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/6937349002

[D-West & PO-Z]

If only there were money to pay the players.

Ha, exactly.

[JTG]

Gotta remember when he took the job he was basically anointed a modern version of Bob Knight with his demeanor and style of play. In all seriousness, I am shocked he hasn’t won there. And it hasn’t been a talent issue. For Xavier fans scratching their heads on the KyKy situation, look at Khristian Lander’s recruiting profile and production/playing time.

There’s also a brand new AD and an outgoing President. And the team is basically guaranteed to lose their far and away best player and only has a Moeller big man coming in. The situation basically makes Xavier’s stability look like Nova.

Maybe if Archie gets canned the Moeller big decides to head to Victory Pkwy. In a previous IU firing we collected Holloway and Crawford.

[JTG]

Often I think how crappy this season was and how I expect different results in the offseason. I take a step back and peruse some other programs whose fans must not be so cheerful. Their coaches can't be whistling dixie either.. Since misery loves company, here are coaches from good, not good, and average capability and their respective recent accomplishments (2-5 year window)


Indiana - Archie Miller has been there 4 years and ....... not much has made fans celebrate. No NCAA.

Notre Dame - Mike Brey 3 out of past 4 years has had 1 NCAA bid

Stanford - Jared Haase - - 4/5 years no bid to NCAA.

Kansas St. - Bruce Weber 2 straight years of losing record , and no bids in obvious 2 years .

Temple - Aaron McKie nothing in 2 years. Where is Dunphry?

UMass - Matt McCall 4 years of losing. Do they still have a final 4 banner or did they burn it?

Richmond - Chris Mooney - 4 years No NCAA but they did have a winning record one year in past 4 years.

South Carolina - Frank Martin - 4 years of no NCAA

Mississippi St - Ben Howland - in 6 years has made NCAA once. All those final 4's he had with UCLA - oh the good ole' days.

UAB/UMiss - Andy Kennedy - (he is still alive) - 14 years and 2 NCAA bids

Texas A&M - Buzz Williams - 2 years no bid . After 3 good years with Virginia Tech.

Hmm... UMASS a mess, maybe Kelsey was smart. I"m surprised at that list, a number of those schools have been recent factors in the NCAA. But most are also football schools with tons of football money. Xavier's gravy train for the entire school, not just the Athletic dept, is Men's Bball. Something the new Pres and the AD should seriously consider. I would be willing to give Steele one more year , if he turned over his staff, especially that cadaver Graves, that sits on the bench like a statue, and brought in a wise older coach to help him.

[JTG]

A couple notes on Archie Miller : Mark Cuban, billionaire IU Alum is rumored to be asked to pony up the $10 mil to send Archie away. Dane Fife, Izzo's top asst, and a former head coach at IU Ft Wayne for 5 years, before joining MSU, is rumored to be on a short list. The IU faithful are stuck in the 1980s. They want Indiana players, preferable pale skinned, Hoosier's (the Movie) type basketball. Unfortunately for them, it's 2021, and Bob Knight ain't waking thru the door.
PS: Since Purdue has beaten IU 9 times in a row, someone there started a Go Fund Me page to keep Archie in Bloomington.
There is also a Fire Archie cocktail showing up on some bar menus that is Fireball and peppermint liquor.

[AviatorX]

A couple notes on Archie Miller : Mark Cuban, billionaire IU Alum is rumored to be asked to pony up the $10 mil to send Archie away. Dane Fife, Izzo's top asst, and a former head coach at IU Ft Wayne for 5 years, before joining MSU, is rumored to be on a short list. The IU faithful are stuck in the 1980s. They want Indiana players, preferable pale skinned, Hoosier's (the Movie) type basketball. Unfortunately for them, it's 2021, and Bob Knight ain't waking thru the door.
PS: Since Purdue has beaten IU 9 times in a row, someone there started a Go Fund Me page to keep Archie in Bloomington.
There is also a Fire Archie cocktail showing up on some bar menus that is Fireball and peppermint liquor.

Cuban is on the record over the years that he won’t participate in buyouts. He doesn’t want his money going to firing someone.

Dane Fife is certainly the Pat Kelsey of the IU fan base, but I don’t think he’s a viable candidate. They aren’t going to pay that buyout and bring in Dane Fife.

[markchal]

not sure I get the intent of this post...because other programs are mediocre, we should be fine with also being mediocre?

[Straightshooter]

Spoke to a random Xavier student the other day. Her name was Jaiden. I drove her to work as an Lyft driver. Here was the conversation.

"What does the student body think of Travis Steele?" We love him
"Why do you love him?" He is a great coach
"Do you know they have lost their last 3 games?" The last one was a tough one.

I was surprised at what Jaiden said, but I got to thinking she was right. The student body, in general, likes this man. I think he represents the school well, with integrity and class. I think Jaiden, although a sampling mean of one, represents how the university feels.

[JTG]

not sure I get the intent of this post...because other programs are mediocre, we should be fine with also being mediocre?

Because a number of these schools were regular NCAA participants. Some with well known coaches and some with guys suggested as X targets in the past Mooney @ Richmond.

[Xavier]

Does anyone believe that actually happened?

[UCGRAD4X]

Does anyone believe that actually happened?

Does anyone think it actually matters?

[Xavier]

Does anyone think it actually matters?

That’s my point. Why make up some dumb story, just tell us what you think.