A Season is now apparently several lifetimes.... X looking to add games before Sunday

[Muskie]

There is a chance that X will try to add a game between now and selection Sunday to boost their chances.

[markchal]

shoot your shot I guess

it would be typical of this season for us to get our hopes up (crush oklahoma! beat creighton! up 19 on butler!) only to have them dashed yet again (covid! choke to marquette and gtown! collapse v butler! schedule a game and lose it!)

[GoMuskies]

There is a chance that X will try to add a game between now and selection Sunday to boost their chances.

Maybe Pat Kelsey would help us out by letting us beat them.

[GoMuskies]

How about SLU? We're both first four out right now.

[AviatorX]

shoot your shot I guess

it would be typical of this season for us to get our hopes up (crush oklahoma! beat creighton! up 19 on butler!) only to have them dashed yet again (covid! choke to marquette and gtown! collapse v butler! schedule a game and lose it!)

Option A for this already fell through it sounds like, hard to imagine there are too many matches out there...but you have to understand/appreciate the attempt.

[GoMuskies]

Flipping through the NET ratings:

BYU? What do they have to gain?
Loyola? Same
St. Bonny? Same
Drake? Definite maybe, but would be kind of risky for them as they might already think they're in.
Louisville? LOL
Winthrop? Only if Kelsey wants to do us a solid and thinks they might be able to move up a line.

Nothing beyond that would really help.

[drudy23]

This feels desperate.

Also be careful what you wish for - what makes you think we'd actually win?

If anything else, it's better than the NIT. I seriously doubt the Committee would let them gain an advantage from this.

[Backyard Champ]

This feels desperate.

Also be careful what you wish for - what makes you think we'd actually win?

If anything else, it's better than the NIT.

Certainly is. But would be awesome just to get another attempt. Better than what we are looking at now

[AviatorX]

This feels desperate.

Also be careful what you wish for - what makes you think we'd actually win?

If anything else, it's better than the NIT. I seriously doubt the Committee would let them gain an advantage from this.

I would fucking hope they are asking desperate at this point. Anything is worth a try.

[markchal]

don't they also announce the first four out this year as possible subs for covid-positive teams? Maybe doing anything we can to get up a spot could salvage the season if EVERYTHING breaks our way, which has not been close to the case for awhile.

[D-West & PO-Z]

There is a chance that X will try to add a game between now and selection Sunday to boost their chances.

I was wondering if they would try to do that. SLU has been trying to do that as well since losing in the A10 semi's. Playing at SLU would be a quad 1 win. At Xavier would be Quad 2. Neutral, which probably isnt possible would be quad 1 as well.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Flipping through the NET ratings:

BYU? What do they have to gain?
Loyola? Same
St. Bonny? Same
Drake? Definite maybe, but would be kind of risky for them as they might already think they're in.
Louisville? LOL
Winthrop? Only if Kelsey wants to do us a solid and thinks they might be able to move up a line.

Nothing beyond that would really help.

Drake I think has already played 27 games which is the max and cannot schedule anymore.

[xavierj]

Duke just had a positive covid test so I guess they are done. Wonder how that may affect Louisville. Any positive tests with teams still alive will end their seasons

[Xuperman]

I believe the covid substitution rule for the Tournament is- the team that tests positive is replaced by the next highest ranked team non-tournament from their conference.

[xavierj]

I believe the covid substitution rule for the Tournament is- the team that tests positive is replaced by the next highest ranked team non-tournament from their conference.

So we just need Nova, Creighton and UCONN to pop a positive test and Xavier will get in?

[GoMuskies]

Right about now I really wish the AAC Tournament had been last week and Wichita State had lost in the first round.

[GoMuskies]

Xavier @ VD? Certainly wouldn't want to put Jimmy Carter on the line with this squad.

[Mrs. Garrett]

There is a chance that X will try to add a game between now and selection Sunday to boost their chances.

So they're looking for a 4th chance at a must-win?

After the Creighton win, you couldn't have asked for a more favorable schedule and they looked awful.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I believe the covid substitution rule for the Tournament is- the team that tests positive is replaced by the next highest ranked team non-tournament from their conference.

No this is only for 1 bid leagues.

If Michigan got COVID, the first team out of the tournament, regardless of conference, gets their spot and their seed.

[AviatorX]

Xavier @ VD? Certainly wouldn't want to put Jimmy Carter on the line with this squad.

IU in Bloomington if they lose today? The problem as you summarized earlier is there's really a tiny overlap of teams who are out of their conference tournament, not solidly in the field, and also potentially on the wrong side of the bubble.

[Xuperman]

So we just need Nova, Creighton and UCONN to pop a positive test and Xavier will get in?

IDK, I thought I read it somewhere. It could be only one option in the C19 plan. I believe there is a more complex plan overall.

I mean if Gonzaga test +, I'm guessing everyone moves up a spot and BYU is placed in the teens somewhere. Does anyone have a good handle on how this works?

[D-West & PO-Z]

At slU is my prediction if they schedule the game. Problem is any team in this situation probably wants to play on the road for a Q1 win.

The team I predict we play is SLU, I hope its at SLU. But being a SLU fan also, and knowing at least with how we have looked, SLU would wipe the floor with us, then I hope it is at X so SLU gets the Q1 win.

[Xavier]

Jon Rothstein mentioned a couple weeks ago that this was something teams were looking at. Worth a shot.

[SM#24]

Xavier @ VD? Certainly wouldn't want to put Jimmy Carter on the line with this squad.

Why not at this point, might as well make the Steele era a complete sweep.

[94GRAD]

IDK, I thought I read it somewhere. It could be only one option in the C19 plan. I believe there is a more complex plan overall.

I mean if Gonzaga test +, I'm guessing everyone moves up a spot and BYU is placed in the teens somewhere. Does anyone have a good handle on how this works?

Read page 2

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/d1/men/2020-21D1MBB_TournamentReplacementPolicy.pdf

[xuphan]

Jon Rothstein mentioned a couple weeks ago that this was something teams were looking at. Worth a shot.

This team couldn’t show up in the second half against a bad Butler team to give themselves a shot at an NCAA tournament. Sorry, but if you can’t get up for that game, it’s time to call it a season.

[94GRAD]

This team couldn’t show up in the second half against a bad Butler team to give themselves a shot at an NCAA tournament. Sorry, but if you can’t get up for that game, it’s time to call it a season.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

[SM#24]

How about a team that is looking at a long layoff between conf. tourney and NCAA, already has their seed position locked up, has to travel a long way so getting near Indy a week ahead is a plus ?
How about Gonzaga ?
Might as well swing for the fences.

[AviatorX]

How about a team that is looking at a long layoff between conf. tourney and NCAA, already has their seed position locked up, has to travel a long way so getting near Indy a week ahead is a plus ?
How about Gonzaga ?
Might as well swing for the fences.

Anyone safely in the dance (let alone a lock for the #1 overall seed) would be pretty dumb to open themselves up to COVID. This also needs to be a game Xavier can win, if that exists at this point.

[Drew]

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2021/3/11/22325332/xavier-is-hunting-for-a-miracle-ncaa-bubble-march-madness

Pretty good article on potential candidates.

The Arizona pick is interesting. They aren't eligible for the tournament anyway so have nothing to lose and Sean Miller might just be up for it for old time's sake.

[xuphan]

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Didn’t the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? Do you want more games of whatever kind of offense Steele is running? Do you want more games of Jason Carter being put out onto the floor when he isn’t at that level? If we play more games, it will still be the same style of play that drives the members of this message board crazy. I personally don’t want to see this team play again because of how they are coached and managed currently. This team is like a pet who is physically suffering. Do you let them continue to suffer or do you put them down?

[Xavier]

Didn’t the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? Do you want more games of whatever kind of offense Steele is running? Do you want more games of Jason Carter being put out onto the floor when he isn’t at that level? If we play more games, it will still be the same style of play that drives the members of this message board crazy. I personally don’t want to see this team play again because of how they are coached and managed currently.

Huh? Would I have wanted X to win last night and see more games? Yes. You wouldn't?

[markchal]

Didn’t the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor?

i'd like to nominate this as the worst post ever on the board

[Xuperman]

i'd like to nominate this as the worst post ever on the board

Obviously not a Belushi fan.

[AviatorX]

i'd like to nominate this as the worst post ever on the board

First ballot HOF along with the guy who said Bluiett wasn't athletic enough to play in the BE after his sophomore year.

[throwbackmuskie]

First ballot HOF along with the guy who said Bluiett wasn't athletic enough to play in the BE after his sophomore year.

I think that poster was looking into the future and meant to say Carter....

[D-West & PO-Z]

IDK, I thought I read it somewhere. It could be only one option in the C19 plan. I believe there is a more complex plan overall.

I mean if Gonzaga test +, I'm guessing everyone moves up a spot and BYU is placed in the teens somewhere. Does anyone have a good handle on how this works?

No one moves up or down spots. If Gonzaga couldnt play the first team out of the tourney would take heir spot and their #1 seed.

[bjf123]

i'd like to nominate this as the worst post ever on the board

Seconded. There being no objections, the nomination is so approved.


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[JTG]

No one moves up or down spots. If Gonzaga couldnt play the first team out of the tourney would take heir spot and their #1 seed.

So theoretically, we could be a #1 seed ? That's just lunacy

[Strange Brew]

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

This situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.

[D-West & PO-Z]

So theoretically, we could be a #1 seed ? That's just lunacy

Yes, but we wont be the 1st team out I dont think. But yes it would be possible for us to be a 1 seed this year.

[JTG]

Yes, but we wont be the 1st team out I dont think. But yes it would be possible for us to be a 1 seed this year.

I can hear the Twilight Zone music playing. Do de do de do de do de !!!!!! Rod Serling, puffing on a heater in the background. " A case in point,the Musketeers Bball team stumbles through the season, and they wake up on March 15th and are summoned to Indy for the NCAA" " For your perusal in the Twilight Zone".
If you're under 40, or never watch old tv, ask your parents about the show.

[AviatorX]

MSU not exactly stating their case with authority. They are probably safely in (are they?), but maybe a trip to East Lansing could be in the cards?

[drudy23]

This feels like a glorified practice game.

Zero chance this is meaningful to the Committee.

[Xavier]

I 100% think the committee would say it is meaningful, depending on who they play. (IF they play). It would just fall under the "whole season review", no different than if it were played first week of the season. Just like them getting rid of the "last 10 games" metric, the season is viewed as a whole.

I don't think they make it happen though.

[AviatorX]

Would be a really fitting cap to this season to watch this squad go 2-30 from 3 (including 1-7 from Carter) against the Syracuse zone while KyKy doesn't get off the bench!

(Yes, I recognize all these games are completely unrealistic, but Syracuse seems like one of the few that actually do fit the bill...although I don't think either team would benefit from the home game).

[Mrs. Garrett]

I 100% think the committee would say it is meaningful, depending on who they play. (IF they play). It would just fall under the "whole season review", no different than if it were played first week of the season. Just like them getting rid of the "last 10 games" metric, the season is viewed as a whole.

I don't think they make it happen though.

If I were on the committee I would say this team had ample opportunity already and failed. I find it embarrassing after what has transpired the last 3 games. It more Travis not taking accountability for what a disappointment this season has been.

[drudy23]

Would be a really fitting cap to this season to watch this squad go 2-30 from 3 (including 1-7 from Carter) against the Syracuse zone while KyKy doesn't get off the bench!

(Yes, I recognize all these games are completely unrealistic, but Syracuse seems like one of the few that actually do fit the bill...although I don't think either team would benefit from the home game).

Why on earth would Syracuse take the risk? They're right in contention without the game, and losing would send the wrong message.

A team already in won't play it because why would they risk injury before the tournament?

There's probably a grand total of about 4-5 teams that could even benefit from the game, even if the Committee even paid attention (which they won't). It's stupid all around.

Accept your fate and move on. I find it extremely bush league. It's like the Trumpers uncovering another "scandal" and actually thinking they're going to overturn the election. Don't be that person - just be accountable.

The only teams willing to play are the ones that know they're on the outside looking in. This game isn't changing that. This is an absolutely perfect example about how Steele can't be accountable. Your time is up - you lost.

[MHettel]

How about Gonzaga ?
Might as well swing for the fences.

Gonzaga is the #1 overall seed and has a healthy team headed into the tourney with a chance to have the first undefeated season in about 45 years.

I'm sure they will play us and put all that on the line.

[AviatorX]

Bush league? Embarrassing? What is the point in not trying? I would be way more embarrassed if the team had this option run by them and everyone shrugged and said nah were good going out like that.

[xuphan]

Huh? Would I have wanted X to win last night and see more games? Yes. You wouldn't?

No, I would love it if this team would still be in Big East tournament. However, they decided not to show up in the second half. I was saying I don’t want to watch this team schedule meaningless games this season after what they did last night. This team is done and showed it last night.

[drudy23]

Bush league? Embarrassing? What is the point in not trying? I would be way more embarrassed if the team had this option run by them and everyone shrugged and said nah were good going out like that.

Or maybe, after the season is over, we can get an asterisk on it for covid? Accept reality!!

They aren't good enough to make it. Focus on that, be accountable to it, and get better instead of trying to game the system to sneak in the back door.

BUSH.

LEAGUE.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Bush league? Embarrassing? What is the point in not trying? I would be way more embarrassed if the team had this option run by them and everyone shrugged and said nah were good going out like that.

Because they just shit the bed with the last 3 opportunities.

Say we were in, but barely. Would you want other teams playing extra games after they were bounced in the first round of their conference tourney and possibly stealing our bid?

[GoMuskies]

I want us to do it only because this is (God willing) a situation that will never arise again, and I just want to see us turn it into as big a shit show as we possibly can!

[Backyard Champ]

Because they just shit the bed with the last 3 opportunities.

Say we were in, but barely. Would you want other teams playing extra games after they were bounced in the first round of their conference tourney and possibly stealing our bid?

Would hate it. Just as much as I’d hate missing a ton of games and opportunities for wins. Kudos to any team who is able to get something scheduled and keep fighting

[drudy23]

I want us to do it only because this is (God willing) a situation that will never arise again, and I just want to see us turn it into as big a shit show as we possibly can!

I'm with you. I honestly would rather have them do this than play in the NIT.

But let's stop fooling ourselves into thinking it will help our at-large chance.

In fact, I'd love for them to play the game and for Steele to continue to look like a buffoon with more stupid in game and personnel decisions. Again, be careful what you wish for Trav. He's clueless.

[SM#24]

Think Villanova would be willing to help a brother out and host them on Sat. ?

WVa another possibility.

[drudy23]

Is there even a Big East team that makes the Sweet 16 this year?

[GoMuskies]

Is there even a Big East team that makes the Sweet 16 this year?

I wouldn't count out UConn.

[Xavier]

If I were on the committee I would say this team had ample opportunity already and failed. I find it embarrassing after what has transpired the last 3 games. It more Travis not taking accountability for what a disappointment this season has been.

But that is the point. With all the missed games and opportunities its an option for "make up" games. Its why Rothstein tweeted a few weeks ago that teams are going to look into doing something like this.

[xubrew]

This feels like a glorified practice game.

Zero chance this is meaningful to the Committee.

If the game counts, the committee will consider it. Now, actually getting a game against someone that they would care about may prove to be a challenge. Most teams that know they're in don't want to risk an injury or exposure, so they probably don't want to play a team that isn't in. There's no real reason to. The only teams that are really looking for extra games are teams on the outside looking in, and you can't really move into the field by beating someone who isn't in the field, so...

[AviatorX]

Because they just shit the bed with the last 3 opportunities.

Say we were in, but barely. Would you want other teams playing extra games after they were bounced in the first round of their conference tourney and possibly stealing our bid?

No, but fuck those teams, I’d rather Xavier go to the tournament than them. X also had 10 games taken away from them through no fault of their own.

[Final4]

Or maybe, after the season is over, we can get an asterisk on it for covid? Accept reality!!

They aren't good enough to make it. Focus on that, be accountable to it, and get better instead of trying to game the system to sneak in the back door.

BUSH.

LEAGUE.


I’m all for it…….eventhough it seems desperate and looks pathetic. And when they get embarrassed in one or two of these games maybe all the players can write and submit essays to the selection committee for extra credit.

[xavbball]

If the game counts, the committee will consider it. Now, actually getting a game against someone that they would care about may prove to be a challenge. Most teams that know they're in don't want to risk an injury or exposure, so they probably don't want to play a team that isn't in. There's no real reason to. The only teams that are really looking for extra games are teams on the outside looking in, and you can't really move into the field by beating someone who isn't in the field, so...

Playing @Davidson is a possibility. They are looking for a game to boast their NIT credentials and we need a Q1 win.

[JTG]

No, but fuck those teams, I’d rather Xavier go to the tournament than them. X also had 10 games taken away from them through no fault of their own.

This. They did lose a bunch of games, but at this point I can't see them beating a good team. Maybe they could schedule a group of nuns in 50s style habits and those clunky black leather shoes.

[UCGRAD4X]

As a bonus: More game day Boob Drops.

[xudash]

Xavier @ VD? Certainly wouldn't want to put Jimmy Carter on the line with this squad.

The NCAAT isn't that important (sarcasm font invoked).

[drudy23]

If the game counts, the committee will consider it. Now, actually getting a game against someone that they would care about may prove to be a challenge. Most teams that know they're in don't want to risk an injury or exposure, so they probably don't want to play a team that isn't in. There's no real reason to. The only teams that are really looking for extra games are teams on the outside looking in, and you can't really move into the field by beating someone who isn't in the field, so...

Exactly what I said - there's a market of very few teams that would even consider the game, and even if they did, they're already out of contention. Beating a team out of the tournament doesn't move the needle.

If you want to play some extra games and work on getting guys some minutes (KyKy, Miles, Griffin, etc), go for it. But let's not pretend this is going to improve our resume for the tournament.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If the game counts, the committee will consider it. Now, actually getting a game against someone that they would care about may prove to be a challenge. Most teams that know they're in don't want to risk an injury or exposure, so they probably don't want to play a team that isn't in. There's no real reason to. The only teams that are really looking for extra games are teams on the outside looking in, and you can't really move into the field by beating someone who isn't in the field, so...

SLU is #46 in the NET. They are looking for a game as well. But does it move the needle? I dont know. Maybe a win on the road. But the way we are playing SLU would wax X.

The biggest barrier I think to these games is that I believe both teams would want to play on the road. If you are playing a team just on the outside looking in, the only way to get a Q1 win is on the road. The other obstacle is that we are #63 in the NET. Does anyone really want to play us? We dont really enhance anyone's profile.

[GoMuskies]

I'll talk to some people and make Charles Koch Arena available so that it's neutral site for both teams. I am very selfless like that.

[Mrs. Garrett]

No, but fuck those teams, I’d rather Xavier go to the tournament than them. X also had 10 games taken away from them through no fault of their own.

they're not missing the tournament because games were taken away from them. They're missing the tournament because they did not complete the task at hand. They had the resume after Creighton. All they had to do was beat a couple teams who were behind them in the standings.

They're missing the tournament due to a poorly constructed roster and poor coaching decisions. They're missing the tournament because they're too small up front, they're a step too slow to close out on open jumpers, and lose the majority of the 50/50 balls.

COVID is just a bullshit excuse that will give Travis another season at mediocrity and late season collapses. How this season played out has been the norm not an anomaly.

Go ahead, play another game and pray it's someone who has zero post presence or it will be more of the same.

[AviatorX]

they're not missing the tournament because games were taken away from them. They're missing the tournament because they did not complete the task at hand. They had the resume after Creighton. All they had to do was beat a couple teams who were behind them in the standings.

They're missing the tournament due to a poorly constructed roster and poor coaching decisions. They're missing the tournament because they're too small up front, they're a step too slow to close out on open jumpers, and lose the majority of the 50/50 balls.

COVID is just a bullshit excuse that will give Travis another season at mediocrity and late season collapses. How this season played out has been the norm not an anomaly.

Go ahead, play another game and pray it's someone who has zero post presence or it will be more of the same.

Okay, and is any of this a reason to not try and do everything possible to try to get into the tournament, even if it's a serious long shot? I'm not following your point. It's a 68 team field, there are mediocre teams in it every year. There's no point in not doing everything you can to be one of them.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'll talk to some people and make Charles Koch Arena available so that it's neutral site for both teams. I am very selfless like that.

Perfect! Although X still is a quad 2 for our opponent at a neutral site lol.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Okay, and is any of this a reason to not try and do everything possible to try to get into the tournament, even if it's a serious long shot? I'm not following your point. It's a 68 team field, there are mediocre teams in it every year. There's no point in not doing everything you can to be one of them.

My point is they failed. They lost yesterday. The season is over. It's a bad look.

[drudy23]

Okay, and is any of this a reason to not try and do everything possible to try to get into the tournament, even if it's a serious long shot? I'm not following your point. It's a 68 team field, there are mediocre teams in it every year. There's no point in not doing everything you can to be one of them.

What's next? Like someone else said - petitions from the captains to the Committee? Letters from the ADs about how COVID destroyed our chances (it didn't)? Essays from the players?

Picketing in front of the NCAA headquarters in Indy?

For Christ sake man, maybe we can complain that they call it the MENS tournament and get it canceled - and then we can say that NO ONE MADE IT again to make ourselves feel better for NOT BEING GOOD ENOUGH!!!!

They call it "The Dance" and some people don't like dancing - CANCELED!!!!!!!! See, no one made it, so it makes no difference if we didn't.

[AviatorX]

My point is they failed. They lost yesterday. The season is over. It's a bad look.

Fair enough. Definitely nothing weird at all about this season so Xavier should honor the unwritten rule of not playing the allowed number of Division 1 games if some of them occur after they were eliminated from the conference tournament. Otherwise it would be a bad look.

[AviatorX]

What's next? Like someone else said - petitions from the captains to the Committee? Letters from the ADs about how COVID destroyed our chances (it didn't)? Essays from the players?

Picketing in front of the NCAA headquarters in Indy?

For Christ sake man, maybe we can complain that they call it the MENS tournament and get it canceled - and then we can say that NO ONE MADE IT again to make ourselves feel better for NOT BEING GOOD ENOUGH!!!!

They call it "The Dance" and some people don't like dancing - CANCELED!!!!!!!! See, no one made it, so it makes no difference if we didn't.

Yeah, these are totally the same as trying to squeeze in an extra game or two against a quality opponent in a last ditch effort to move the needle. Come on.

The whole tournament is being played in Indiana and teams have been quarantining to different degrees all season. Duke just had their ACC run canceled because a walk-on tested positive for a virus. This season is already totally off the rails.

[GoMuskies]

Well, it's almost 5pm and no word, so it's seeming less and less likely to happen. I know Xavier wanted to be able to get on a plane and get somewhere TONIGHT and play a game tomorrow.

[AviatorX]

Well, it's almost 5pm and no word, so it's seeming less and less likely to happen. I know Xavier wanted to be able to get on a plane and get somewhere TONIGHT and play a game tomorrow.

Agreed. I am not well connected by any means, but the rumor I heard around 7am this morning was they were heading to Charlotte to get a few games in which obviously fell apart.

[GoMuskies]

You could hit Davidson and Winthrop from Charlotte. Hell, you could do a doubleheader at this point. Nothing to lose!

Well, don't play Charlotte. That's ALL downside.

[xuphan]

Well, it's almost 5pm and no word, so it's seeming less and less likely to happen. I know Xavier wanted to be able to get on a plane and get somewhere TONIGHT and play a game tomorrow.

Get on a plane so we can play more Carterball? No thanks.

[JTG]

Well, it's almost 5pm and no word, so it's seeming less and less likely to happen. I know Xavier wanted to be able to get on a plane and get somewhere TONIGHT and play a game tomorrow.

Planes fly fast. There are lots of places they could get to in an hour. 8 pm would probably be a cutoff for leaving.

[drudy23]

Agreed. I am not well connected by any means, but the rumor I heard around 7am this morning was they were heading to Charlotte to get a few games in which obviously fell apart.

To play who?

On the surface, you think, "well this is a good idea, maybe it can work" - but when you actually sit and think about it, teams aren't going to take this on for the sake of Xavier's tournament resume. Why should they?

It's a desperate attempt to deflect from another crap season that has been 3 years of some of the most anti Xavier basketball I've ever watched.

[drudy23]

You could hit Davidson and Winthrop from Charlotte. Hell, you could do a doubleheader at this point. Nothing to lose!

Well, don't play Charlotte. That's ALL downside.

Beating Davidson does absolutely nothing for us. Zero. If Davison loses, how does it help them?

Why on earth would Kelsey put his team in danger of injury before a potential upset in the NCAA tournament? There is no coach in America that's going to take that risk.

Cmon, you have to take into consideration the other schools as well. None of these scenarios can create a win-win at this point in the season.

It's a blatantly stupid diversion.

[XUGRAD80]

What is the point....so they can SAY they MADE the tournament? It was only 3 years ago that the conversation was about finishing out the last 2%. Now they are trying to manipulate it so that they can just qualify? They had their chance and blew it.....just like last year. If they play, I’ll watch. If they don’t play, I’ll just move on. I would have almost 0 expectations that they would advance beyond the first play-in round.

[Xavier]

I thought I saw beating Davidson at Davidson was a Q1 win. Maybe just a Q2. Q1 does a lot for a resume.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Beating Davidson does absolutely nothing for us. Zero. If Davison loses, how does it help them?

Why on earth would Kelsey put his team in danger of injury before a potential upset in the NCAA tournament? There is no coach in America that's going to take that risk.

Cmon, you have to take into consideration the other schools as well. None of these scenarios can create a win-win at this point in the season.

It's a blatantly stupid diversion.

Not saying it would move the needle but Davidson is one spot above us in the NET and on the road would be a quad 1 win.

I'm not sure why any team would want to play us anywhere but X though. We help no one's resume unless they beat us at home.

[AviatorX]

To play who?

On the surface, you think, "well this is a good idea, maybe it can work" - but when you actually sit and think about it, teams aren't going to take this on for the sake of Xavier's tournament resume. Why should they?

It's a desperate attempt to deflect from another crap season that has been 3 years of some of the most anti Xavier basketball I've ever watched.

It’s definitely desperate. But they should be desperate to make the tournament! Deflection to who? It’s a rumor only hardcore fans who are already spending today online talking about how much the program sucks are even aware of. This isn’t some grave offensive gesture.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If they play, I’ll watch.

I'm not sure the game would even be on anything would it? Maybe streaming on a website of whatever school is hosting?

[GoMuskies]

None of these scenarios can create a win-win at this point in the season.


SLU would. It's the only scenario that actually makes sense.

[drudy23]

Not saying it would move the needle but Davidson is one spot above us in the NET and on the road would be a quad 1 win.

I'm not sure why any team would want to play us anywhere but X though. We help no one's resume unless they beat us at home.

"Hey look, we just beat a team that's not making the tournament - put us in the tournament!!"

This is utterly dumb.

[Xavier]

Beating Davidson does absolutely nothing for us. Zero. If Davison loses, how does it help them?

Why on earth would Kelsey put his team in danger of injury before a potential upset in the NCAA tournament? There is no coach in America that's going to take that risk.

Cmon, you have to take into consideration the other schools as well. None of these scenarios can create a win-win at this point in the season.

It's a blatantly stupid diversion.

Yeah I don’t think any school doing it is considered win win. That’s pretty obvious. The idea is two bubble teams playing to try and get another Q2 (or even Q1) win. Adding a Q1 win would do a lot to a teams resume

[drudy23]

SLU would. It's the only scenario that actually makes sense.

So the two coaches are really saying "hey, if we play each other, maybe we can at least get one of us in"

Again, how absurd.

End the damn season.

[GoMuskies]

So the two coaches are really saying "hey, if we play each other, maybe we can at least get one of us in"


Well.....yeah! And the absurdity is a feature, not a bug. This whole fucking year has been absurd. May as well embrace it!

[Xavier]

So the two coaches are really saying "hey, if we play each other, maybe we can at least get one of us in"

Again, how absurd.

End the damn season.

What? Yeah that’s exactly it. Hey we’re both on the edge and a win may put us in, let’s play. Seems like you nailed it

[drudy23]

Yet another thing that Steele believes that is completely off the wall.

Most anti Xavier 3 years of basketball I've ever witnessed. This program has jumped the shark.

[GoMuskies]

Yet another thing that Steele believes that is completely off the wall.

Embrace the absurdity of the Travis Lappas era immediately!

[drudy23]

Embrace the absurdity of the Travis Lappas era immediately!

Believe me, I find it extremely humorous.

What have we become?

Seriously, this is turning into a true clown show.

[AviatorX]

What is the argument for just shutting it down from a competitive stand point? This situation will never present itself again (typically teams are maxed out on games) and Xavier shouldn’t try to take advantage because it’s a bad look?

It’s a ridiculous situation in general. That’s kinda the whole point.

[Blue Blooded-05]

What? Yeah that’s exactly it. Hey we’re both on the edge and a win may put us in, let’s play. Seems like you nailed it

With everything on the line, we just lost 3 consecutive games to teams with NET rankings of 94, 87 and 117. We never held a meaningful lead in the first two and blew a double digit 2nd half lead in the 3rd game. Any team on the fence with us has to like their chances.

Our fate is sealed. We had our chance and we failed.

[xuphan]

Believe me, I find it extremely humorous.

What have we become?

Seriously, this is turning into a true clown show.

I find it embarrassing to be honest. I thought last night was rock bottom. Then I read this on Musketeerscoop.

[GoMuskies]

Any team on the fence with us has to like their chances.

So let's get SLU in! With any luck, the NIT would turn their nose up at us if we lose another one, too. Win/win.

[drudy23]

What is the argument for just shutting it down from a competitive stand point? This situation will never present itself again (typically teams are maxed out on games) and Xavier shouldn’t try to take advantage because it’s a bad look?

It’s a ridiculous situation in general. That’s kinda the whole point.

Like I said, you want to play some extra games to get some bench guys some run, I'm all for it. Much better than playing in the stupid NIT - might as well start the development path for the guys that need it most.

If anyone in this program was aiming to play these games thinking that they'd actually get deeper NCAA consideration is a moron. And I'm pretty sure Travis Aluminum was likely the lead person pushing this stupidity because he simply couldn't come to grips that he isn't getting the job done.

[AviatorX]

With everything on the line, we just lost 3 consecutive games to teams with NET rankings of 94, 87 and 117. We never held a meaningful lead in the first two and blew a double digit 2nd half lead in the 3rd game. Any team on the fence with us has to like their chances.

Our fate is sealed. We had our chance and we failed.

I think there is about a 0.0000001% chance this strategy works, but I have to say I really don’t get this logic that is being parroted on here. This year is different from literally any other college basketball year. Xavier had 10 games canceled! It’s not like X just played 30 and said hey we need a few more chances here.

[drudy23]

I think there is about a 0.0000001% chance this strategy works, but I have to say I really don’t get this logic that is being parroted on here. This year is different from literally any other college basketball year. Xavier had 10 games canceled! It’s not like X just played 30 and said hey we need a few more chances here.

Our coach also chose to have more practices than to re-schedule some of those games.

Well, it's practice time Coach Aluminum.

[AviatorX]

Like I said, you want to play some extra games to get some bench guys some run, I'm all for it. Much better than playing in the stupid NIT - might as well start the development path for the guys that need it most.

If anyone in this program was aiming to play these games thinking that they'd actually get deeper NCAA consideration is a moron. And I'm pretty sure Travis Aluminum was likely the lead person pushing this stupidity because he simply couldn't come to grips that he isn't getting the job done.

If Xavier added a Q1 win to their resume, would it get them deeper consideration? Isn’t that why we all wanted them to play and beat Creighton tonight?

[AviatorX]

Our coach also chose to have more practices than to re-schedule some of those games.

Well, it's practice time Coach Aluminum.

Yeah, that’s totally what happened when they tried to play @UNC a few weeks back. You are now arguing both sides of it haha.

[xuphan]

I think there is about a 0.0000001% chance this strategy works, but I have to say I really don’t get this logic that is being parroted on here. This year is different from literally any other college basketball year. Xavier had 10 games canceled! It’s not like X just played 30 and said hey we need a few more chances here.

What is there to gain by this strategy. It’s not like Steele will be playing all of the young guys to get ready for next year. If this were to happen, we would still see Carter get a ton of minutes as well as Scruggs. What is the point of these guys playing. If Steele wanted more games, he should have taken care of business the last couple of weeks. He didn’t and as a result the season is over. Plain and simple even in a Covid world.

[UCGRAD4X]

It's just a ploy to keep traffic going to xavierhoops

[AviatorX]

What is there to gain by this strategy. It’s not like Steele will be playing all of the young guys to get ready for next year. If this were to happen, we would still see Carter get a ton of minutes as well as Scruggs. What is the point of these guys playing. If Steele wanted more games, he should have taken care of business the last couple of weeks. He didn’t and as a result the season is over. Plain and simple even in a Covid world.

The potential gain is an increased chance at making the NCAA Tournament. The alternative is to just sit around and do nothing. You’re right that it is plain and simple - the NCAA allows you a certain number of games and Xavier has not played all of them. Generally, teams schedule games that will help increase their shot at a bid.

Look, I do not think there is any chance this works in the real word, but the philosophical opposition to it is pretty dumb.

[drudy23]

If Xavier added a Q1 win to their resume, would it get them deeper consideration? Isn’t that why we all wanted them to play and beat Creighton tonight?

You are actually equating the games as being equivalent? Playing Creighton as part of our conference tournament after beating our first opponent is the same as manufacturing a fake game after a season-ending loss to a double digit seed? You can honestly type that with true intent? Are you Travis Steele?

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[Xavier]

I don’t think it works out either. I’d still argue adding a Q1 win helps the resume, not sure how it doesn’t.

[AviatorX]

You are actually equating the games as being equivalent? Playing Creighton as part of our conference tournament after beating our first opponent is the same as manufacturing a fake game after a season-ending loss to a double digit seed? You can honestly type that with true intent? Are you Travis Steele?

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Did I write that? No. Obviously Plan A was be better throughout the season and Plan B was win last night and upset Creighton tonight. But Plans A and B are off the table as we sit here on March 11th, so I'm simply arguing against the idea that it's worthless to try Plan C in an already crazy year where nothing is normal.

Apparently, many here think attempting this Plan C would be some affront to the unwritten rules of college basketball and earn the program ridicule (by who exactly is unclear) and prefer Plan D which is do nothing and call the season over.

[drudy23]

Did I write that? No. Obviously Plan A was be better throughout the season and Plan B was win last night and upset Creighton tonight. But Plans A and B are off the table as we sit here on March 11th, so I'm simply arguing against the idea that it's worthless to try Plan C in an already crazy year where nothing is normal.

Apparently, many here think attempting this Plan C would be some affront to the unwritten rules of college basketball and earn the program ridicule (by who exactly is unclear) and prefer Plan D which is do nothing and call the season over.

THE SEASON IS OVER!!!

You're as delusional as Steele for the love of God.

[Blue Blooded-05]

The potential gain is an increased chance at making the NCAA Tournament. The alternative is to just sit around and do nothing. You’re right that it is plain and simple - the NCAA allows you a certain number of games and Xavier has not played all of them. Generally, teams schedule games that will help increase their shot at a bid.

Look, I do not think there is any chance this works in the real word, but the philosophical opposition to it is pretty dumb.

The only way this would actually make sense is if Duke was a false positive but it’s too late to get back into the ACC Tourney. Otherwise, any team above us won’t want to risk their resume vs a sinking ship and any team below us won’t move the needle for our resume.

But go ahead and howl at the moon if you’d like.

[GoMuskies]

THE SEASON IS OVER!!!


Unless, of course, it isn't.

[AviatorX]

THE SEASON IS OVER!!!

You're as delusional as Steele for the love of God.

Fair enough. Don't see how I can come back from that response. See everyone in November.

[GoMuskies]

The only way this would actually make sense is if Duke was a false positive but it’s too late to get back into the ACC Tourney. Otherwise, any team above us won’t want to risk their resume vs a sinking ship and any team below us won’t move the needle for our resume.


Why doesn't SLU make sense?

[AviatorX]

The only way this would actually make sense is if Duke was a false positive but it’s too late to get back into the ACC Tourney. Otherwise, any team above us won’t want to risk their resume vs a sinking ship and any team below us won’t move the needle for our resume.

But go ahead and howl at the moon if you’d like.

I mean we're all on here venting frustrations after a third straight season of shitty basketball, so if I'm howling at the moon we all are.

People are arguing against my point as if I'm presenting it as some genius idea. It's very obviously not. I just don't understand how so many seem to think it makes no sense to try to be as creative as possible when things are desperate and there's a potential option on the table.

By some of the responses I'm getting, you'd think I am saying Xavier is going to beat SLU and then win a neutral tune up game over Gonzaga and get 6 seed. Jeez.

[drudy23]

Unless, of course, it isn't.

Maybe, after the Selection Show, we can hack the program where it erases a name and inserts Xavier into all the brackets. And hope no one realizes it.

Or, we can convince a team to Rock, Paper, Scissors their 11 seed to us if we promise to have Trav deliver $3,000 to THEIR favorite watering hole after we beat UC next year.

What other rules can we just ignore? I'm sure there are plenty of scenarios we can just make up that will get us in.

[GoMuskies]

Maybe, after the Selection Show, we can hack the program where it erases a name and inserts Xavier into all the brackets. And hope no one realizes it.

Or, we can convince a team to Rock, Paper, Scissors their 11 seed to us if we promise to have Trav deliver $3,000 to THEIR favorite watering hole after we beat UC next year.

What other rules can we just ignore? I'm sure there are plenty of scenarios we can just make up that will get us in.

Or we can hope 3 or 4 teams get Covid and can't play. Boom.

[xuphan]

The potential gain is an increased chance at making the NCAA Tournament. The alternative is to just sit around and do nothing. You’re right that it is plain and simple - the NCAA allows you a certain number of games and Xavier has not played all of them. Generally, teams schedule games that will help increase their shot at a bid.

Look, I do not think there is any chance this works in the real word, but the philosophical opposition to it is pretty dumb.

This team had every chance of making the NCAA tournament and they blew it. They (coaching staff) do not deserve to make the tournament by how they coached at the end of the season. They don’t deserve to play any more games. Call it a season and start offering ever good player that ends up on the transfer portal.

[drudy23]

Or we can hope 3 or 4 teams get Covid and can't play. Boom.

At least this one is possible.

[AviatorX]

Maybe, after the Selection Show, we can hack the program where it erases a name and inserts Xavier into all the brackets. And hope no one realizes it.

Or, we can convince a team to Rock, Paper, Scissors their 11 seed to us if we promise to have Trav deliver $3,000 to THEIR favorite watering hole after we beat UC next year.

What other rules can we just ignore? I'm sure there are plenty of scenarios we can just make up that will get us in.

The problem is you're choosing to miss the point that there is no rule against scheduling a game after the conference tournament. As long as it's within the maximum number of games allowed, you could even do it in a "normal" year.

[drudy23]

The problem is you're choosing to miss the point that there is no rule against scheduling a game after the conference tournament. As long as it's within the maximum number of games allowed, you could even do it in a "normal" year.

I want nothing more than X to schedule this game so Trav Aluminum can fold another game. It would be the perfect ending.

[XUBison]

The problem is you're choosing to miss the point that there is no rule against scheduling a game after the conference tournament. As long as it's within the maximum number of games allowed, you could even do it in a "normal" year.

Correct, of course they should try to make this work. And of course the committee would take the game into consideration. How could they not, given how goofy this season has been? So X’s resumé has been deeply impacted (one way or another) by missed games due to covid, and the committee would simply disregard a team’s attempt to reconcile that to some degree? Why exactly, because of Some sort of unwritten rules ethic? Or because a disgruntled fan base wants to punish the coach and his staff? I’m sorry, none of that makes a lick of sense. The committee is not taking into consideration how pathetic or desperate a coach or program is. They will consider a win/loss resumé, period.

If you’re personally exhausted by disappointment, fine, but that doesn’t mean the staff and the players must be as well. If this is even a remote possibility, then Steele has to pursue it. Anything less would be a total dereliction of duty. For Pete’s sake, at least it shows some fight.

[xudash]

Correct, of course they should try to make this work. And of course the committee would take the game into consideration. How could they not, given how goofy this season has been? So X’s resumé has been deeply impacted (one way or another) by missed games due to covid, and the committee would simply disregard a team’s attempt to reconcile that to some degree? Why exactly, because of Some sort of unwritten rules ethic? Or because a disgruntled fan base wants to punish the coach and his staff? I’m sorry, none of that makes a lick of sense. The committee is not taking into consideration how pathetic or desperate a coach or program is. They will consider a win/loss resumé, period.

If you’re personally exhausted by disappointment, fine, but that doesn’t mean the staff and the players must be as well. If this is even a remote possibility, then Steele has to pursue it. Anything less would be a total dereliction of duty. For Pete’s sake, at least it shows some fight.

+1

[xuphan]

Correct, of course they should try to make this work. And of course the committee would take the game into consideration. How could they not, given how goofy this season has been? So X’s resumé has been deeply impacted (one way or another) by missed games due to covid, and the committee would simply disregard a team’s attempt to reconcile that to some degree? Why exactly, because of Some sort of unwritten rules ethic? Or because a disgruntled fan base wants to punish the coach and his staff? I’m sorry, none of that makes a lick of sense. The committee is not taking into consideration how pathetic or desperate a coach or program is. They will consider a win/loss resumé, period.

If you’re personally exhausted by disappointment, fine, but that doesn’t mean the staff and the players must be as well. If this is even a remote possibility, then Steele has to pursue it. Anything less would be a total dereliction of duty. For Pete’s sake, at least it shows some fight.

Where was this fight against St Johns? Where was this fight against Georgetown, Marquette, Butler? It seems like Steele and his staff are just now realizing that they need more wins to make the tournament. Where was this fight at the end of the season/Big East tournament? Where was this fight in the second half of the Butler game? Where was this fight in overtime last night when the team knew they had to win to get into the tournament?

[XUBison]

This team had every chance of making the NCAA tournament and they blew it. They (coaching staff) do not deserve to make the tournament by how they coached at the end of the season. They don’t deserve to play any more games. Call it a season and start offering ever good player that ends up on the transfer portal.

No, they didn’t have every chance. That’s the point. How many games did X miss this season? We had no opportunity to potentially add a couple of wins against the conference’s worst team, DePaul. As for opportunities to earn real resumé builders against the conference’s top three teams, we only played Creighton twice, but we missed three of four games against UConn and Nova.

And As far as whether they deserve it, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but it is just that. Our opinions have no bearing on whether Steele should pursue this, nor whether the committee should factor in such a game.

[SM#24]

The problem is you're choosing to miss the point that there is no rule against scheduling a game after the conference tournament. As long as it's within the maximum number of games allowed, you could even do it in a "normal" year.
St. Mary's did this in a normal year. They were concerned about the layoff between the WCC tourney and NCAAs, so they scheduled a game for the Fri or Sat before Selection Sunday.

The bracketologists (at least Lunardi and Palm) have us in the last 4 out currently (Palm actually has us last one out). Can't blame the school for trying to enhance the resume. Yes, it's desperate but they have to try. It's not unethical, embarrassing, a bad look, poor form, a diversion or pathetic to try and schedule something.
What is embarrassing and pathetic is that a team with this talent and the position they were in has to resort to this.

[XUBison]

Where was this fight against St Johns? Where was this fight against Georgetown, Marquette, Butler? It seems like Steele and his staff are just now realizing that they need more wins to make the tournament. Where was this fight at the end of the season/Big East tournament? Where was this fight in the second half of the Butler game? Where was this fight in overtime last night when the team knew they had to win to get into the tournament?

Who knows? What’s your point?

[xuphan]

Who knows? What’s your point?

My point is this team has had every opportunity to get the wins they needed and they blew it.

[SM#24]

Where was this fight against St Johns? Where was this fight against Georgetown, Marquette, Butler? It seems like Steele and his staff are just now realizing that they need more wins to make the tournament. Where was this fight at the end of the season/Big East tournament? Where was this fight in the second half of the Butler game? Where was this fight in overtime last night when the team knew they had to win to get into the tournament?

I guess I need to re-watch the games because I missed where the players weren't playing hard. I saw maximum fight and energy from Jason Carter just to get all those shots off, he was really working hard on a few of them. The team was a victim of poor coaching.

[xuphan]

I guess I need to re-watch the games because I missed where the players weren't playing hard. I saw maximum fight and energy from Jason Carter just to get all those shots off, he was really working hard on a few of them. The team was a victim of poor coaching.

My post wasn’t directed at the players. I’m talking about the coaching staff.

[AviatorX]

St. Mary's did this in a normal year. They were concerned about the layoff between the WCC tourney and NCAAs, so they scheduled a game for the Fri or Sat before Selection Sunday.

The bracketologists (at least Lunardi and Palm) have us in the last 4 out currently (Palm actually has us last one out). Can't blame the school for trying to enhance the resume. Yes, it's desperate but they have to try. It's not unethical, embarrassing, a bad look, poor form, a diversion or pathetic to try and schedule something.
What is embarrassing and pathetic is that a team with this talent and the position they were in has to resort to this.

Are you sure the St. Mary's coaching staff wasn't just trying to distract the fan base with that move? Really shameful they'd violate the unwritten rules like that.

[XUBison]

My post wasn’t directed at the players. I’m talking about the coaching staff.

Ahhh yes, that new criteria for the selection committee: to what degree does a fanbase think a coach sucks? Is that factored into the NET this year as well? If so, I guess we’re toast.

This is moving into the land of stupid. Aren’t you the one who had the goofy post in another thread about the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor? I apologize in advance if not.

[SM#24]

My post wasn’t directed at the players. I’m talking about the coaching staff.

I don't think the issue with the coaches is lack of effort or "fight"

[AviatorX]

I don't think the issue with the coaches is lack of effort or "fight"

Nope, but you can hit frustrated fan message board bingo if you reference "coming out flat" and "losing 50/50 balls." They're also criticisms that are impossible to refute.

[xuphan]

Ahhh yes, that new criteria for the selection committee: to what degree does a fanbase think a coach sucks? Is that factored into the NET this year as well? If so, I guess we’re toast.

This is moving into the land of stupid. Aren’t you the one who had the goofy post in another thread about the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor? I apologize in advance if not.

You really believe this team deserves to be in the NCAA tournament after losing to St Johns, Georgetown, Marquette and Butler (After having a double digit lead at halftime) down the stretch? What is stupid is this team had multiple chances to make the tournament and blew it. Yes, bad coaching is sadly going to keep this talented basketball team out of the NCAA tournament.

[GoMuskies]

So.......no random game tomorrow? Still hope for Saturday?

[xu82]

So.......no random game tomorrow? Still hope for Saturday?

Maybe a little pickup thing at the Y?

[XUBison]

You really believe this team deserves to be in the NCAA tournament after losing to St Johns, Georgetown, Marquette and Butler (After having a double digit lead at halftime) down the stretch? What is stupid is this team had multiple chances to make the tournament and blew it. Yes, bad coaching is sadly going to keep this talented basketball team out of the NCAA tournament.

Do they deserve it? Like, has their good character earned them their just rewards? I have no idea. What I do know is anyone who knows anything has X right on the edge of the bubble. So, if adding a solid last minute Victory could help our chances, then we need to try to make it happen. Otherwise our bad coach would prove he is a hopelessly bad coach, and that he is very stupid.

[Muskie]

Fair enough. Don't see how I can come back from that response. See everyone in November.

At least join us for the Butler County Steak Fry Recap....

[xuphan]

Do they deserve it? Like, has their good character earned them their just rewards? I have no idea. What I do know is anyone who knows anything has X right on the edge of the bubble. So, if adding a solid last minute Victory could help our chances, then we need to try to make it happen. Otherwise our bad coach would prove he is a hopelessly bad coach, and that he is very stupid.

I understand the point you and other posters are making on this issue. I just disagree with it. This team has won 2 out of the last 8 games they have played including losing the last 3 games. These coaches have cost this team the chance to play in the NCAA tournament with their inability to make in game adjustments. Let’s say Steele is able to get SLU to play us on Saturday. Do you really have any hope of this coaching staff putting these players in the best position to win that game after losing 3 in a row to below average teams? Sadly, I don’t. I think we would see the same problems we have seen over the last month or so.

[Xavier]

Let’s say Steele is able to get SLU to play us on Saturday. Do you really have any hope of this coaching staff putting these players in the best position to win that game after losing 3 in a row to below average teams? Sadly, I don’t..

Hell no. It could be any team and I don't have any sort of faith in Steele. I'd be up for trying though.

[Xville]

The sad part about all of this is I just don’t see a light at the end of a tunnel if Steele remains the coach. Yes, free and the freshmen look pretty good, so x seems to have a nice core 4 moving forward, but the roster construction is still an issue on what will be the guy’s fourth year. Little inside presence, young team, and presumably filled with a few transfers for band aids. Wash, rinse, and repeat

[xuphan]

The sad part about all of this is I just don’t see a light at the end of a tunnel if Steele remains the coach. Yes, free and the freshmen look pretty good, so x seems to have a nice core 4 moving forward, but the roster construction is still an issue on what will be the guy’s fourth year. Little inside presence, young team, and presumably filled with a few transfers for band aids. Wash, rinse, and repeat

Carterball should be coming to an end this year. Does that cheer you up any?

[xavierj]

The sad part about all of this is I just don’t see a light at the end of a tunnel if Steele remains the coach. Yes, free and the freshmen look pretty good, so x seems to have a nice core 4 moving forward, but the roster construction is still an issue on what will be the guy’s fourth year. Little inside presence, young team, and presumably filled with a few transfers for band aids. Wash, rinse, and repeat

Zach is defiantly an inside presence as he lead the big East in rebounding and scored the ball inside but they do not have another inside threat at this point. Definitely something that has to be addressed. Need a big defensive bully type and that is also capable of posting and finishing.

[GoMuskies]

Carterball should be coming to an end this year. Does that cheer you up any?

I mean, he's definitely using the free year and coming back, right?

[drudy23]

The sad part about all of this is I just don’t see a light at the end of a tunnel if Steele remains the coach. Yes, free and the freshmen look pretty good, so x seems to have a nice core 4 moving forward, but the roster construction is still an issue on what will be the guy’s fourth year. Little inside presence, young team, and presumably filled with a few transfers for band aids. Wash, rinse, and repeat

I also don't like his approach with transfers. There doesn't seem to be a plan with how they fit, they just start offering any and all decent transfers in the market.

That probably doesn't sit well with your recruits.

I know landing transfers is important in this day and age, but it just seems so random in terms of fit.

[Dblue]

I don't care if it's 2 of the last 8 field goals in a close game on the wrong side of the scoreboard or 2 of the last 8 games of the season on the wrong side of the bubble! You fight to the end and NEVER GIVE UP! Quiting is a whole degree worse than bad line up or selfish play.

As long as I've been following XU basketball, they've never been quiters. I sure as hell don't to see that start now.

Some fans will leave early - happy you beat the traffic after the game! I'm not quiting as a fan, and I support them to the buzzer (or the selection show)! If we can find a game that gives us a fighting chance to get to the right side of the bubble, absolutely go for it!

[drudy23]

I don't care if it's 2 of the last 8 field goals in a close game on the wrong side of the scoreboard or 2 of the last 8 games of the season on the wrong side of the bubble! You fight to the end and NEVER GIVE UP! Quiting is a whole degree worse than bad line up or selfish play.

As long as I've been following XU basketball, they've never been quiters. I sure as hell don't to see that start now.

Some fans will leave early - happy you beat the traffic after the game! I'm not quiting as a fan, and I support them to the buzzer (or the selection show)! If we can find a game that gives us a fighting chance to get to the right side of the bubble, absolutely go for it!

I find it hilarious people think that not agreeing with an extra practice game is quitting. Dude, the season is over (unless they get a NIT invite). The games are done. Selection Sunday is two days away.

There's a reason no one wants to play in these games - because it's ridiculous to even consider for every team except maybe 3 of them, and even they are obviously not interested. I guess the rest of college basketball are just a bunch of quitters too.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I find it hilarious people think that not agreeing with an extra practice game is quitting. Dude, the season is over (unless they get a NIT invite). The games are done. Selection Sunday is two days away.

There's a reason no one wants to play in these games - because it's ridiculous to even consider for every team except maybe 3 of them, and even they are obviously not interested. I guess the rest of college basketball are just a bunch of quitters too.

I cant even to begin to understand why you care if they play another game. Even if they have not shot of it helping the tourney cause (which you really don't know, despite your arrogant opinion) why do you care?

Hell the game probably wont even be on TV, probably streaming on one of the school's websites, so if you have no interest in it, don't watch or even check the score.

But honestly, your take is incredibly douchey.

In a year unlike any other with all sorts of unprecedented things going on in sports, the almighty, drudy, knows without a doubt, that another game wouldn't improve anyone's chances of making the tournament. Ha

[GoMuskies]

I honestly don't understand why Xavier and SLU haven't announced a game yet. If they don't play, it's pretty certain both will be left out. If they do play, there's a decent chance the winner gets in.

[AviatorX]

I honestly don't understand why Xavier and SLU haven't announced a game yet. If they don't play, it's pretty certain both will be left out. If they do play, there's a decent chance the winner gets in.

I agree 100%. Only thing I can think of is both schools are pushing for the road game. But as the clock ticks, it's either go for it on the small chance it works or surely be heading to suburban Dallas for the NIT!

[xuphan]

I don't care if it's 2 of the last 8 field goals in a close game on the wrong side of the scoreboard or 2 of the last 8 games of the season on the wrong side of the bubble! You fight to the end and NEVER GIVE UP! Quiting is a whole degree worse than bad line up or selfish play.

As long as I've been following XU basketball, they've never been quiters. I sure as hell don't to see that start now.

Some fans will leave early - happy you beat the traffic after the game! I'm not quiting as a fan, and I support them to the buzzer (or the selection show)! If we can find a game that gives us a fighting chance to get to the right side of the bubble, absolutely go for it!

Who says anything about quitting? You think Steele should be trying to schedule more games before selection Sunday to boost their resume even though they could have done this over the past month and blew it other than Creighton. Maybe Steele should go on Fox Sports and ESPN and lobby the selection committee as to why Xavier should be in the tournament. Talk about how COVID made his team have to pause multiple times this season. How multiple players got hurt. How his team went 2-8 to finish the year including a second half collapse against a bad Butler team. Talk about how hard he worked over the past couple of days trying to find someone to play to boost the team resume. Talk about how Jason Carter can help boost rating for the NCAA tournament. (Kidding). Maybe Steele should take this approach as well to show he is not a quitter.

[drudy23]

I cant even to begin to understand why you care if they play another game. Even if they have not shot of it helping the tourney cause (which you really don't know, despite your arrogant opinion) why do you care?

Hell the game probably wont even be on TV, probably streaming on one of the school's websites, so if you have no interest in it, don't watch or even check the score.

But honestly, your take is incredibly douchey.

In a year unlike any other with all sorts of unprecedented things going on in sports, the almighty, drudy, knows without a doubt, that another game wouldn't improve anyone's chances of making the tournament. Ha

Do I care if they play the game - Not at all

Do I feel this is a desperate attempt to deflect from the obvious predictable late season meltdown without taking any accountability for it - Yes

You didn't get the job done - take your lumps, move on and get better.

If this was an attempt to play more games for the sake of getting more minutes for some of the guys that need the minutes, I'm all for it. But that's not what this is - it's a desperate attempt to get an invite to something they're not invited to. THAT'S incredibly douchey.

[drudy23]

I honestly don't understand why Xavier and SLU haven't announced a game yet. If they don't play, it's pretty certain both will be left out. If they do play, there's a decent chance the winner gets in.

And if you lose, you're definitely out.

Who is going to roll the dice?

[GoMuskies]

And if you lose, you're definitely out.

Who is going to roll the dice?

I don't think it's really a roll of the dice for either. I mean, maybe SLU doesn't want to fall further back in the reserve/Covid line, but I think that's their only downside.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I agree 100%. Only thing I can think of is both schools are pushing for the road game. But as the clock ticks, it's either go for it on the small chance it works or surely be heading to suburban Dallas for the NIT!

This. Both would prefer the Q1 win.

[Xuperman]

I agree 100%. Only thing I can think of is both schools are pushing for the road game. But as the clock ticks, it's either go for it on the small chance it works or surely be heading to suburban Dallas for the NIT!

Let's assume both sides want to get it on, wouldn't a neutral site be a serious consideration? Maybe something like Evansville's arena would work. I mean they probably would put a decent number on a 1 day rental.

[Drew]

Do I care if they play the game - Not at all

Do I feel this is a desperate attempt to deflect from the obvious predictable late season meltdown without taking any accountability for it - Yes

You didn't get the job done - take your lumps, move on and get better.

If this was an attempt to play more games for the sake of getting more minutes for some of the guys that need the minutes, I'm all for it. But that's not what this is - it's a desperate attempt to get an invite to something they're not invited to. THAT'S incredibly douchey.

Quitter.

[SM#24]

Do I feel this is a desperate attempt to deflect from the obvious predictable late season meltdown without taking any accountability for it - Yes

Not sure where you are coming from with this. I don't think this is a publicity stunt. I think it's a legit shot to try and improve the team's standing. They are definitely right on the bubble according to everyone; the wrong side, but on it (Palm has X first team out, Lunardi 3rd team out, composite Bracket Matrix of 127 brackets 3rd team out). Of course it's desperate, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Yes, we could just be a man and acknowledge our failings over the past month and skulk off into a corner. They're going to play anyway (NIT), might as well take a small shot at getting into the First Four.
However, it does look like this is all moot since there doesn't seem to be any takers.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Let's assume both sides want to get it on, wouldn't a neutral site be a serious consideration? Maybe something like Evansville's arena would work. I mean they probably would put a decent number on a 1 day rental.

1. I think that might be tough to do last min. You need a lot of things that might be out of your control in a neutral arena.

2. Xavier still isnt Q1 win at a neutral site. SLU would be for us but not us for them. They might as well play us at SLU in if not at X.

[chico]

I agree 100%. Only thing I can think of is both schools are pushing for the road game. But as the clock ticks, it's either go for it on the small chance it works or surely be heading to suburban Dallas for the NIT!

Agree completely. However, in the interest of time, they need to pull a Marge Schott and flip a coin. Even a home win is better than no win.

[IM4X]

Do I care if they play the game - Not at all

Do I feel this is a desperate attempt to deflect from the obvious predictable late season meltdown without taking any accountability for it - Yes

You didn't get the job done - take your lumps, move on and get better.

If this was an attempt to play more games for the sake of getting more minutes for some of the guys that need the minutes, I'm all for it. But that's not what this is - it's a desperate attempt to get an invite to something they're not invited to. THAT'S incredibly douchey.

1. is it a desperate move - YES
2. Do I question if this team even deserves to be in the dance - YES
3. Would I feel sick in my stomach if I were the current X head coach who allowed his team to completely fall apart in second half and lose such a important game- ABSOLUTELY

4. If I were the current X head coach during this unprecedented season with covid and stops and starts and missing out on many of the scheduled games and if I squandered my final normal chance of making sure my team got into the tournament, I would absolutely do everything I could to play another game and hopefully win in hopes of potentially persuading the selection committee to think my team belongs on the right side of the bubble.

[xuphan]

1. is it a desperate move - YES
2. Do I question if this team even deserves to be in the dance - YES
3. Would I feel sick in my stomach if I were the current X head coach who allowed his team to completely fall apart in second half and lose such a important game- ABSOLUTELY

4. If I were the current X head coach during this unprecedented season with covid and stops and starts and missing out on many of the scheduled games and if I squandered my final normal chance of making sure my team got into the tournament, I would absolutely do everything I could to play another game and hopefully win in hopes of potentially persuading the selection committee to think my team belongs on the right side of the bubble.

My point with what you are saying is why didn’t Steele do everything in his power during this last month of the season to make the NCAA tournament? Make in game adjustments, try a different lineup when what you are doing is not working. Press more, play Carter less, etc. Steele had chance after chance after chance and he didn’t do it. Even if they do play this game, I don’t see the committee taking the game seriously. It would be very controversial as almost all of the teams haven’t played a full season.

[SM#24]

I believe Steele did everything in his power; I think he legitimately did all he was capable of doing and what he believed was the best chance to win. And yes, the committee will consider the game same as all the other games. There's no controversy, all teams that fell short of 27, have the same ability to schedule another game.

[GoMuskies]

Start the scheduling process with Wichita State at halftime. I can get them in touch with the right folks. Tomorrow night, Charles Koch Arena. Let's go!

[markchal]

oh I 100 percent think this is a publicity stunt. And I'm fine with that. Desperate, but at least it has people talking about our team, how close we are to the tournament, and it makes it *look* like we're trying to make up for those long covid layoffs.

Any mention of Xavier that isn't about our complete and total collapse down the stretch, and our embarrassing performance by losing to 4 straight non-tournament teams, is a positive. We've have allllllll off-season to lament how stagnant the program has become and how disappointing this coaching era is shaping up to be. It's nice for a day or so to pretend we still have a looong shot to make something happen, instead of again questioning how we managed to blow a 19pt lead against a garbage team we beat twice.

[94GRAD]

My point is this team has had every opportunity to get the wins they needed and they blew it.

But they haven't had every opportunity, They missed 7 games due to Covid

[xuphan]

I believe Steele did everything in his power; I think he legitimately did all he was capable of doing and what he believed was the best chance to win. And yes, the committee will consider the game same as all the other games. There's no controversy, all teams that fell short of 27, have the same ability to schedule another game.

I take it you did not watch the second half/overtime of the Butler game? Jason Carter playing 30+ minutes chucking up shots was not giving the team the best chance to win that night. If he really feels that way then he won’t be coaching here very long. He needs to take some ownership that he has not been good enough so far in his career and that he will do everything in his power to get this program back to where it belongs. The fans deserve a public apology for how bad this team has been over the past month.

[markchal]

But they haven't had every opportunity, They missed 7 games due to Covid

well they only needed to win one game against three sub-par teams and they lost them all...that's a pretty nice opportunity

[D-West & PO-Z]

Agree completely. However, in the interest of time, they need to pull a Marge Schott and flip a coin. Even a home win is better than no win.

Agreed.

Doing it the fairest way I would think we should be home. We have a much worse NET ranking so maybe more fair to let them play us at home?

[xuphan]

But they haven't had every opportunity, They missed 7 games due to Covid

They won 2 of their last 8 games. They choked in the second half against a bad Butler team. They had every opportunity to make it into the dance. The excuses from some fans is getting sad.

[94GRAD]

They won 2 of their last 8 games. They choked in the second half against a bad Butler team. They had every opportunity to make it into the dance. The excuses from some fans is getting sad.

*are getting sad

[Backyard Champ]

I have to assume if we don’t hear anything within a few hours, we aren’t getting another game in.

[xuphan]

*are getting sad

:bash:

[D-West & PO-Z]

I have to assume if we don’t hear anything within a few hours, we aren’t getting another game in.

I would think but who knows the deadline.

It might also be one of those deals where eve if they play did it really happen. It cant possibly be on TV right? Maybe streaming on the home teams website?

[Lloyd Braun]

Not gonna happen

Per NCAA rules (https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/4665848001?__twitter_impression=true)

[Backyard Champ]

Wonder why they waited so long to mention this? Feels like it was being discussed weeks ago as a possibility.

[xuphan]

Not gonna happen

Per NCAA rules (https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/4665848001?__twitter_impression=true)

Not surprised. Didn’t think the committee would have taken that game seriously anyways.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Lurked only for a long time to avoid politics on here, but I am going to weigh in on this.

Rule aside, you have your season and your tournament to get into the NCAA/NIT tournaments. That is it, if you fail you fail. The attempt to schedule that game is an embarrassing attempt to game a system. I am not a quitter by any stretch, but there is a time when you have lost and have to accept that. They lost, they had their shot, and they blew it time and time again. The constant reaching and searching for any kind of lifeline screams desperation and is just sad.

[IM4X]

The time for squeezing in a game was before the BET

[drudy23]

Not gonna happen

Per NCAA rules (https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/4665848001?__twitter_impression=true)

I mean of course this is the rule.

It's completely inequitable for teams that aren't in a position to schedule a game.

Another reason why any talk of this was just desperation from the start.

As others have said, the time to do this was before the BET.

[IM4X]

I’d really like to hear Steele’s halftime talk to the team during the Butler game before the 2nd half debacle.

I’d also be very interested to hearing what he said during timeouts during the second half - particularly the last one before the end of regulation and the last one during overtime.

I’m thinking one of the conversations went like this:

“Carter- you’re staying in- You are the last person they’ll suspect getting the ball since you have never been our go-to guy and that’s exactly why we are going to give you the ball. They’ll likely leave you open thinking you will miss any shot you take - but you see you are due to make an easy bunny one of these days. The likelihood you clank another one off the backboard at point blank range is very small. I feel confident we should put the season and our chances of making the NCAA tournament in your hands and not in Zack or our senior Paul or one of the other players like Kunkel or Jones who has come through for us in clutch situations before. No I feel confident YOU are our best option to score and win this for us.”

[drudy23]

Lurked only for a long time to avoid politics on here, but I am going to weigh in on this.

Rule aside, you have your season and your tournament to get into the NCAA/NIT tournaments. That is it, if you fail you fail. The attempt to schedule that game is an embarrassing attempt to game a system. I am not a quitter by any stretch, but there is a time when you have lost and have to accept that. They lost, they had their shot, and they blew it time and time again. The constant reaching and searching for any kind of lifeline screams desperation and is just sad.

I have to agree here.

[Final4]

Lurked only for a long time to avoid politics on here, but I am going to weigh in on this.

Rule aside, you have your season and your tournament to get into the NCAA/NIT tournaments. That is it, if you fail you fail. The attempt to schedule that game is an embarrassing attempt to game a system. I am not a quitter by any stretch, but there is a time when you have lost and have to accept that. They lost, they had their shot, and they blew it time and time again. The constant reaching and searching for any kind of lifeline screams desperation and is just sad.


I agree 100% with this. Now what is this pathetic lot going to do……..sit around and hope and pray for something morbid like a couple of tournament teams have to drop out due to positive Covid tests? In all my personal and business travel over the years I’ve always worn my Xavier gear proudly……..not so much anymore.

[AviatorX]

Some of the moral stances on here are confusing. We aren't talking about hiring hookers for recruits or forging transcripts to keep guys eligible. There's nothing prideful at stake. Xavier under Mario's guidance has been among the best of gaming the RPI/NET whatever metric is in place at the time. I hope they continue to make every effort to game it to the max.

[drudy23]

Some of the moral stances on here are confusing. We aren't talking about hiring hookers for recruits or forging transcripts to keep guys eligible. There's nothing prideful at stake. Xavier under Mario's guidance has been among the best of gaming the RPI/NET whatever metric is in place at the time. I hope they continue to make every effort to game it to the max.

For me, it's not moral, but about accountability.

You didn't get the job done - own it and move on.

I'd honestly feel better about making it due to covid drop-outs than this attempt.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Lurked only for a long time to avoid politics on here, but I am going to weigh in on this.

Rule aside, you have your season and your tournament to get into the NCAA/NIT tournaments. That is it, if you fail you fail. The attempt to schedule that game is an embarrassing attempt to game a system. I am not a quitter by any stretch, but there is a time when you have lost and have to accept that. They lost, they had their shot, and they blew it time and time again. The constant reaching and searching for any kind of lifeline screams desperation and is just sad.

I would agree in a normal season. I do not agree in a COIVD ravaged season.

Moot point now anyway.

But apprantely Kansas now has COVID as well and maybe Oklahoma.

Didn't we have to stop playing for 2 weeks every time we got it? Maybe we will sneak in after all just bc of COVID issues.

[GoMuskies]

If we're first or second out and someone has a Covid problem...I won't be mad.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I agree 100% with this. Now what is this pathetic lot going to do……..sit around and hope and pray for something morbid like a couple of tournament teams have to drop out due to positive Covid tests? In all my personal and business travel over the years I’ve always worn my Xavier gear proudly……..not so much anymore.

Bc X is having a rough stretch of 3 years you no longer wear your X gear proudly?

1. WGAF
2. Get over yourself

[drudy23]

If we're first or second out and someone has a Covid problem...I won't be mad.

Nor will I

[94GRAD]

I agree 100% with this. Now what is this pathetic lot going to do……..sit around and hope and pray for something morbid like a couple of tournament teams have to drop out due to positive Covid tests? In all my personal and business travel over the years I’ve always worn my Xavier gear proudly……..not so much anymore.

If your pride in wearing X gear is based on basketball success and failure, you have issues.

[SM#24]

I take it you did not watch the second half/overtime of the Butler game? Jason Carter playing 30+ minutes chucking up shots was not giving the team the best chance to win that night. If he really feels that way then he won’t be coaching here very long. He needs to take some ownership that he has not been good enough so far in his career and that he will do everything in his power to get this program back to where it belongs. The fans deserve a public apology for how bad this team has been over the past month.

No surprise, you're missing my point. He is doing everything in his power. Do you think he's actually tanking, actually trying to sabotage the season ?

[xavbball]

Lurked only for a long time to avoid politics on here, but I am going to weigh in on this.

Rule aside, you have your season and your tournament to get into the NCAA/NIT tournaments. That is it, if you fail you fail. The attempt to schedule that game is an embarrassing attempt to game a system. I am not a quitter by any stretch, but there is a time when you have lost and have to accept that. They lost, they had their shot, and they blew it time and time again. The constant reaching and searching for any kind of lifeline screams desperation and is just sad.

I would agree in normal years. This year, “your season” meant multiple game cancelations. Yes, it’s sad to see the state of the program under Steele and I agree with folks on here that his coaching is inexcusable. However, there was nothing wrong with trying to schedule another game. Just look at what’s happening this year with the tournament. Virginia looks like it’s out and they won’t be the first. What was there to lose by at least trying? An NIT invitation?

[SM#24]

Now Kansas out of the B12. If you look back at whatever website you use to get your scores, you see how many games were canceled each night. I think the number of teams dropping out of the tourney will be higher than we think/hope.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Now Kansas out of the B12. If you look back at whatever website you use to get your scores, you see how many games were canceled each night. I think the number of teams dropping out of the tourney will be higher than we think/hope.

Will be interesting to see if Oklahoma comes away unscathed after playing them. Not sure if it was someone who actually plays on Kansas or not.

So that's Duke, Virginia, and Kansas so far right?

Didn't we have to shut down for 2 weeks? How can they play in the NCAA tourney?

[xuphan]

No surprise, you're missing my point. He is doing everything in his power. Do you think he's actually tanking, actually trying to sabotage the season ?

Who said anything about tanking? Doesn’t he have the power to make in game changes? Doesn’t he have the power to alter his game plan when things aren’t working? Doesn’t he have the power to not play Jason Carter 30+ minutes per game. I believe Steele is too stubborn to change his tactics when they are working and too loyal to certain players which is costing this team the chance to make the NCAA tournament. Steele probably believes what he is doing is the right thing but I am afraid he won’t be coaching much longer at Xavier if it continues on in this way.

[SM#24]

Who said anything about tanking? Doesn’t he have the power to make in game changes? Doesn’t he have the power to alter his game plan when things aren’t working? Doesn’t he have the power to not play Jason Carter 30+ minutes per game. I believe Steele is too stubborn to change his tactics when they are working and too loyal to certain players which is costing this team the chance to make the NCAA tournament. Steele probably believes what he is doing is the right thing but I am afraid he won’t be coaching much longer at Xavier if it continues on in this way.
That's my point. Yes, he has the power to do whatever he wants. He's doing all that he believes gives us the best chance to win. That's the sad part.

[Pierre Dracot]

NCAA announced, an hour ago, that teams cannot add games to their schedule. There will be a list of replacement teams, starting with "first four out."

[Mrs. Garrett]

NCAA announced, an hour ago, that teams cannot add games to their schedule. There will be a list of replacement teams, starting with "first four out."

I wonder if coaches get their bonus if a team not in the original field backs into it?

[JTG]

NCAA announced, an hour ago, that teams cannot add games to their schedule. There will be a list of replacement teams, starting with "first four out."

So, in other words, X and SLU are already determined to be out. So don't bother scheduling a game. Amiright?

[xudash]

I wonder if coaches get their bonus if a team not in the original field backs into it?

I hope not. And I hope I end up being upset about it happening.

[paulxu]

Start the scheduling process with Wichita State at halftime. I can get them in touch with the right folks. Tomorrow night, Charles Koch Arena. Let's go!

If it's all the same to you, I'll take the Butler first half option and call it a night.