Other Big East games 20-21

[Lloyd Braun]

Butler over Creighton in OT... Creighton was up by 13 at the under 8 timeout.

[Olsingledigit]

And St John’s let one get away v Marquette. We could have used a Marquette loss.

[Lloyd Braun]

Providence beats Creighton in Omaha in a pretty fun game. They couldn’t handle Nate Watson. Duke banked in a 3 in last minute for a cushion.

Xavier is in 2nd place (in the loss column haha).

Also of note, there are so many close games in this league. Never easy, and degenerate gamblers that know this should be pouncing.

[noteggs]

May have been reported but Seton Hall and Butler tonight because Bulldogs covid issues. Crap, we are supposed to play them next Friday. No word but ugh...

[Xville]

May have been reported but Seton Hall and Butler tonight because Bulldogs covid issues. Crap, we are supposed to play them next Friday. No word but ugh...

Geezus...X may beat Nova's 27 day layoff at this point. I would hope that once X is cleared, they can find a way to schedule some of the makeup games before whatever next game in the regular schedule is.

[Lloyd Braun]

Some good games to start- UCONN at Creighton going on now, Providence at Nova (-11.5) next.

[Xville]

Friars doing exactly what you need to do to a team like nova so far...muddy the shit out of it and try to pound it inside.

Also, just a side note... what a disappointment swider turned out to be.

[bobbiemcgee]

Friars doing exactly what you need to do to a team like nova so far...muddy the shit out of it and try to pound it inside.

Also, just a side note... what a disappointment swider turned out to be.

Ugly game. "Nova would never shoot like this against us.

[Xville]

Now nova is starting to play like nova

[Lloyd Braun]

Now nova is starting to play like nova

I hate them so much. Jealous of course

[xavierj]

Wojo is awful. That is all.

[Xville]

League is just not very good this year. Nova, creighton (who I won’t trust in the tourney), and a bunch of mediocrity outside of X. Although I guess if bouknight comes back, ucon is a good team, I think.

Marquette needs to get rid of wojo. Guy might be able to recruit but holy hell he’s a terrible coach

[D-West & PO-Z]

Anyone have any insight into why Wojo and Marquette can get 5 star/McDonald's AA players and we can't? Is it because Marquette's history? That they have been to a final 4? Dwyane Wade? Better facilities? Is Wojo just that good of a recruiter?

I think Wojo stinks and needs to go. Like Xville said, good recruiter but they've never done anything significant with him.

[xavierj]

Anyone have any insight into why Wojo and Marquette can get 5 star/McDonald's AA players and we can't? Is it because Marquette's history? That they have been to a final 4? Dwyane Wade? Better facilities? Is Wojo just that good of a recruiter?

I think Wojo stinks and needs to go. Like Xville said, good recruiter but they've never done anything significant with him.

Marquette recruiting is actually very similar to Xavier since they joined the Big East. Marquette in that time has had two top 50 players and one 5 star, Henry Ellenson, who was a Wisconsin kid. Xavier has recruited well and frustrating they can’t land a 5 star, but there are only 25 five stars each year, and Xavier is located smack dab in the middle of a ton of high major successful programs. Marquette’s three recruiting classes prior to the 2020 class, were rated on the lower end of all Big East teams.

[Masterofreality]

League is just not very good this year. Nova, creighton (who I won’t trust in the tourney), and a bunch of mediocrity outside of X. Although I guess if bouknight comes back, ucon is a good team, I think.

Marquette needs to get rid of wojo. Guy might be able to recruit but holy hell he’s a terrible coach

Other than "maybe" the B1G I don't know any league that knocks it out of the park this year. The ACC is horrible, the Big 12 is underwhelming and the SEC is milquetoast. The Big East is ranked just below the SEC (basically tied for 3rd) in Torviks ratings ahead of the ACC and Pac 12. I don't subscribe to KenPom so I don't know how it shakes out there, but I think that it's just wide open this year as to quality teams in a weird season.

[Xville]

Other than "maybe" the B1G I don't know any league that knocks it out of the park this year. The ACC is horrible, the Big 12 is underwhelming and the SEC is milquetoast. The Big East is ranked just below the SEC (basically tied for 3rd) in Torviks ratings ahead of the ACC and Pac 12. I don't subscribe to KenPom so I don't know how it shakes out there, but I think that it's just wide open this year as to quality teams in a weird season.

I agree it is kinda open this year in terms of final four aspirations, but league wise I think there are some strong conferences though it is pretty limited. Big 12 is pretty stacked, even with KU being down, and big 10 are the class. PAC 12 I honestly have not watched one game from that conference, but record wise they look strong.

In regards to Marquette, could you imagine the x fan base if Steele made only 2 tourneys in what will probably be 7 years and not one tourney win? That’s wojo. I’m not sure why they hang onto him.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Marquette recruiting is actually very similar to Xavier since they joined the Big East. Marquette in that time has had two top 50 players and one 5 star, Henry Ellenson, who was a Wisconsin kid. Xavier has recruited well and frustrating they can’t land a 5 star, but there are only 25 five stars each year, and Xavier is located smack dab in the middle of a ton of high major successful programs. Marquette’s three recruiting classes prior to the 2020 class, were rated on the lower end of all Big East teams.

Isn't that freshman on Marquette this year who kind of killed us last game a McDonald's AA? I dont follow recruiting closely so maybe that doesn't automatically make you a 5 star but I figured it did.

[XUGRAD80]

Isn't that freshman on Marquette this year who kind of killed us last game a McDonald's AA? I dont follow recruiting closely so maybe that doesn't automatically make you a 5 star but I figured it did.

From what I understand, there are generally only 25 5-stars per year given out. A McD AA wouldn’t necessarily be a 5-STAR recruit.

But it’s all subjective anyway, especially last year and this year where players haven’t been seen near as much as they were in years past. Many more of the evaluations being done are done based on tape than are based on in-person viewing. In addition, the players haven’t had near as much opportunity to play in front of scouts and coaches, or even to be taped, so expect to have many over or under rated. IMO recruiting rankings are way to overvalued.

[xavierj]

Isn't that freshman on Marquette this year who kind of killed us last game a McDonald's AA? I dont follow recruiting closely so maybe that doesn't automatically make you a 5 star but I figured it did.

Garcia was ranked 37th and a 4 star. Paul was ranked 34th when he came out. McDonald’s all Americans are chosen differently and not by rankings.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Garcia was ranked 37th and a 4 star. Paul was ranked 34th when he came out. McDonald’s all Americans are chosen differently and not by rankings.

Interesting, again I dont follow recruiting much but I had no idea a guy outside the top 30 would be a McD AA. Thanks for the info.

[XUGRAD80]

We had a teammate that was a HS “all-American”. He had sent his name (and $10) into a service through the mail, and got back a certificate that named him an AA. Even he didn’t take it seriously.

McDonalds has committees that choose the members of the teams. Who knows who they are and what criteria they use? Says they take input from media, coaches, rankings, scouts, analysts, reporters, etc., but doesn’t say that the members of the committees actually ever even see any of the players.

[noteggs]

Well, hopefully we see Butler’s Nze who was 1 for a lot. Don’t want to see Golden who hit 5 for 7 from 3. BTW he was 1 for 18 prior.

[Xville]

Another day, another loss for wojo.

The hall also choked the game away against creighton in the second half. Was up 16 with 10 minutes left.

[fellahmuskie]

Thank God we won the games against providence and marquette. I really hope we can get out of the cesspool of mediocrity those two teams seem to be stuck in.

[Lloyd Braun]

Georgetown beats Providence after a 3 week layoff...

Duke missed a FT to tie it with 1 second left. Ouch.

[xudash]

Georgetown beats Providence after a 3 week layoff...

Duke missed a FT to tie it with 1 second left. Ouch.

His opportunity at the foul line happened as a result of Blair fouling him with about 1.5 seconds left. Unbelievable. I understand that defending is required and some pressure is helpful, but don’t put yourself in a position of being called for a foul at that point in the game. Make him beat you with a shot. And he was standing on the three-point line anyway.

[Lloyd Braun]

DePaul can look really good and then really bad in the blink of an eye.

[profson]

Villanova does not have the top end talent of other years but they can be a joy to watch. If you don't expect your PG to be a dominant scorer, you can't ask for more than Gillespie does. Yesterday against the Hall he had 11 assists and one turnover. He has 12 turnovers for the year. Mull that over. The team rarely fouls and is at the top of the country in steals. Such an intelligent team.

[XU 23]

Wojo has to be on the hot seat at Marquette. 0 tourney wins in 6 seasons and probably 7 after this year. I am surprised he made it this long.

[XUGRAD80]

Wojo has to be on the hot seat at Marquette. 0 tourney wins in 6 seasons and probably 7 after this year. I am surprised he made it this long.

SJU just beat Marquette on Marquette’s home floor 75-73. Marquette falls to 8-9 for the season.

[XU 23]

SJU just beat Marquette on Marquette’s home floor 75-73. Marquette falls to 8-9 for the season.
Yeah, unless there's an epic turnaround, I'd say he's gone.

[Xuperman]

Yeah, unless there's an epic turnaround, I'd say he's gone.

The program will be crushed under a tsunami if that happens anytime soon. They would suffer some vicious consequences under the new transfer rules and their highly touted 2021 class would likely shatter as well.

[waggy]

The program will be crushed under a tsunami if that happens anytime soon. They would suffer some vicious consequences under the new transfer rules and their highly touted 2021 class would likely shatter as well.

Meh. I think the new transfer rules would allow a team to be rebuilt faster than ever.

I could see them keeping him though because of money, covid and just to be sure.

[Xuperman]

They could never replace Garcia/Carton talent with transfers and I seriously doubt they could succeed in replacing the incoming recruits that way. They have to stick with Wojo for the reasons you mentioned, at least until 2022.

[XU 23]

The program will be crushed under a tsunami if that happens anytime soon. They would suffer some vicious consequences under the new transfer rules and their highly touted 2021 class would likely shatter as well.

Actually yeah, they do have the 19th best recruiting class next year, so I guess Woj sticks around.

[Xville]

Cooley seems like a good dude, but the guy has 1 tournament win and has been there since 2011, I wonder what Providence fans think? To me his teams seem to always have quite a bit of talent but consistently underacheives

[noteggs]

Wow! St. John’s over Villanova

[Lloyd Braun]

And Georgetown over Creighton....

[Smails]

Bizzaro world took over in the BE last night..

[xukeith]

SJU still winning and on fire.
UConn loses....

[xukeith]

The program will be crushed under a tsunami if that happens anytime soon. They would suffer some vicious consequences under the new transfer rules and their highly touted 2021 class would likely shatter as well.

Don’t you think administration will give a coach a break because he had no time to practice with Covid? This season is absolutely bizarre with cancellations and players half knowing what to do.

[xukeith]

Last season Cooleys team struggled early then they got hot 7-8 games before the BE tourney. Season canceled.

[GIMMFD]

SJU still winning and on fire.
UConn loses....

St. John's is such a weird team, Champaigne is a dog though, I watched him at Pitt and thought he was solid, and he's elevated his game even more. Kinda wish that St. John's game vs Texas Tech didn't get cancelled, would have been curious to see what they could do against a pretty decent Tech team.

For UCONN, they just have to weather the storm until Bouknight gets back, no shame in losing to Seton Hall and Creighton, St. John's obviously is weird and likes to pick up wins they have no business picking up, so after they clipped Marquette and Creighton, I'm gonna say St. John's isn't that bad of a loss either. I'll be interested in seeing how we play against them, I still think they're solid. Though I won't complain if Bouknight is out, makes our lives easier.

[profson]

You do realize that the player at Pitt is his twin brother, Justin.

[GIMMFD]

You do realize that the player at Pitt is his twin brother, Justin.

Welp, I'm an absolute idiot hahaha. I thought he transferred from Pitt to St. John's, my bad.

[Lloyd Braun]

UConn clearly looking ahead to Saturday as they fall to Providence in a Wednesday matinee.

[xukeith]

UConn clearly looking ahead to Saturday as they fall to Providence in a Wednesday matinee.

UConn not looking so hot. Bubble time....
They will be hungry @ X.

[noteggs]

UConn clearly looking ahead to Saturday as they fall to Providence in a Wednesday matinee.

As usual, tis the time of year for the BE to become unpredictable. Thought St John’s would easily beat Butler. Not sure what to expect from UConn or X at this point. But agree, UConn was definitely looking past Providence because of Saturday’s game lol.

Edit: caught your sarcasm.

[Lloyd Braun]

As usual, tis the time of year for the BE to become unpredictable. Thought St John’s would easily beat Butler. Not sure what to expect from UConn or X at this point. But agree, UConn was definitely looking past Providence because of Saturday’s game lol.

Edit: caught your sarcasm.

Haha they really need a font for sarcasm

Saturday should be interesting. I was really hoping we would have had a warm up game this week. Or any game. Was pulling for Toledo in Cintas.

[GIMMFD]

Haha they really need a font for sarcasm

Saturday should be interesting. I was really hoping we would have had a warm up game this week. Or any game. Was pulling for Toledo in Cintas.

Is Bouknight gonna be back against us? That'd throw in a wrinkle, I hope he's a bit rusty if so.

[Lloyd Braun]

Is Bouknight gonna be back against us? That'd throw in a wrinkle, I hope he's a bit rusty if so.

He was questionable for today so I’d say yes. The betting for Butler game was on pause today when there was a rumor he would maybe play today. Then he was ruled out and it bets were open. Not that I was watching intently or anything lol

[GIMMFD]

He was questionable for today so I’d say yes. The betting for Butler game was on pause today when there was a rumor he would maybe play today. Then he was ruled out and it bets were open. Not that I was watching intently or anything lol

Hahah gotta love it, can't lie, I hit UConn -2.5 or whatever because I thought it was extremely undervalued with him as questionable, then I looked at the box score, saw A. how bad it was, and B. that he didn't play and just went "well shit."

[waggy]

A win by Butler today would be good for x.

[JTG]

A win by Butler today would be good for x.

Why, because we beat Butler twice ? Other than that, we're no threat to Nova, and Butler is no threat to us.

[bobbiemcgee]

dawgs 34-24 half

[xavierj]

Why, because we beat Butler twice ? Other than that, we're no threat to Nova, and Butler is no threat to us.

Exactly. Good for the net

[waggy]

Butler big abusing Swider.

[JTG]

I just don't get it. Hinkle is a house of horrors for Nova. Butler can't beat their way out of a sack, but they give Nova fits. This would be the 4th time they've beat Nova at Hinkle. It defies logic. Glad we jumped on them twice.

[bjf123]

Nova is shooting a paltry 9.5% from 3 against Butler. Tough to win, as we know all to well lately, when you do that.


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[Lloyd Braun]

Gillespie with a leg injury, left the game... he was in a lot of pain, couldn’t put weight on it.

[noteggs]

Gillespie with a leg injury, left the game... he was in a lot of pain, couldn’t put weight on it.

Hard to see where injury is based off replays because he was holding a lot of different areas. Seems like Nova hasn’t missed a beat tho. May in the future.

[Lloyd Braun]

Hard to see where injury is based off replays because he was holding a lot of different areas. Seems like Nova hasn’t missed a beat tho. May in the future.

He grabbed his knee on the ground but I thought it was an ankle injury based on where his feet were. Not a good camera angle to tell but based on his reaction I would guess knee

Edit: they just said knee injury on broadcast.... could be big loss if he misses extended time.

Edit again: looks like MCL on better replay.

[noteggs]

He grabbed his knee on the ground but I thought it was an ankle injury based on where his feet were. Not a good camera angle to tell but based on his reaction I would guess knee

Edit: they just said knee injury on broadcast.... could be big loss if he misses extended time.

Edit again: looks like MCL on better replay.

Ouch! Hate to hear that from any player. On the other side, wonder how much Greg’s statements have hurt Creighton?

Edit: never mind, Creighton making a decent comeback. Probably more to do with Gillespie at this point.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ouch! Hate to hear that from any player. On the other side, wonder how much Greg’s statements have hurt Creighton?

Edit: never mind, Creighton making a decent comeback. Probably more to do with Gillespie at this point.

Yeah Nova did not look good in the second half without Gillespie. They went gigantic stretch without scoring single point.

[Lloyd Braun]

Edit again: looks like MCL on better replay.

MCL and season ending injury confirmed. Brutal loss for them.

Also... McDermott suspended (https://twitter.com/creighton/status/1367675255469277184?s=21)

[bjf123]

What did McDermott say?


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[Lloyd Braun]

What did McDermott say?


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Check the college basketball season thread. He made a plantation reference.

[XU 23]

Nova is currently down 18 in the 1st half to Providence. They must really miss Gillespie.

[XU 23]

Annnd... now they're only down 2. 1:01 to go.

[noteggs]

What in world, St. John’s was down 18-0. Thought we started slow last game.

[Xville]

And now they are up 5 because well seton hall blows

[noteggs]

Now 8, BE tournament is going to be interesting. No Gillespie for Nova and Moore hurt his ankle. No Greg for Creighton.

[Xville]

Now 8, BE tournament is going to be interesting. No Gillespie for Nova and Moore hurt his ankle. No Greg for Creighton.

UConn’s to lose, but yeah I agree it will be interesting. X just effing win tonight...they’d get a relatively easy draw with nova not being at full strength and playing st johns

[noteggs]

UConn’s to lose, but yeah I agree it will be interesting. X just effing win tonight...they’d get a relatively easy draw with nova not being at full strength and playing st johns

Yeah agree UConn has upper hand and just win tonight.

[GoMuskies]

Providence lost to DePaul last night?!? Yikes.

Also, does Creighton beat Butler by 25 tonight or 35?

[SM#24]

Creighton was up on Butler at half, 42-26, sound familiar ?
I'm betting they score more than 19 in the 2nd half. The money line on that is -50000.

[SM#24]

Creighton got to 19 with 11:37 left in the 2nd half. Now up 70-42, 8 to go.
I guess Butler decided not to play that same suffocating 2nd half defense tonight.

[paulxu]

We beat Creighton, and they kill Butler by 30.
Georgetown beats Nova.

The world has gone crazy.

[SM#24]

Good for Georgetown; never thought I'd say that.

[xudash]

Good for Georgetown; never thought I'd say that.

Respect their grit and focus.

Just go out and win the damn thing tomorrow and secure 4 bids for the BE.

[xudash]

Congrats to Creighton.

McDermott being interviewed now, talking about being forced to go to second and third options, due to the UConn defense and Hurley’s game plan.

I wonder if Travis is watching and attempting to learn something.

[Lloyd Braun]

Who you got: Georgetown or Creighton?

[xukeith]

Who you got: Georgetown or Creighton?

Head says Bluejays. Heart says Hoyas.

[Masterofreality]

Congrats to Creighton.

McDermott being interviewed now, talking about being forced to go to second and third options, due to the UConn defense and Hurley’s game plan.

I wonder if Travis is watching and attempting to learn something.

Nah. Coach NIT Robot thinks it was only on his players lack of poise. They “gotta figure it out”.

[xudash]

Nah. Coach NIT Robot thinks it was only on his players lack of poise. They “gotta figure it out”.

How about Travbot or Rovis as a handle until he learns from his mistakes and changes for the better?

Go Hoyas. — we need the bids.

[Xville]

Amazing what toughness and an actual post presence can do for a basketball team..rooting for gtown and Ewing

[GoMuskies]

I have a Georgetown fan friend who has a bet on Georgetown to win the Big East Tournament from like January at 150-1. So he's feeling pretty good for multiple reasons right now.

[Xville]

Congrats to gtown...them being good only improves the profile of the league. This league might be turning into a true monster again. With the possible rise of gtown, what UConn is building, and nova doing nova things, hold onto your butts. X just can’t continue to do what they are doing and be in the upper Rachel on of this league...it’s not nova and everyone else anymore.

Oh...and Dante Harris, a freshman that was ranked around 400 in recruiting, just won the mvp of the big east tourney.

[American X]

Congrats to gtown...them being good only improves the profile of the league. This league might be turning into a true monster again. With the possible rise of gtown, what UConn is building, and nova doing nova things, hold onto your butts. X just can’t continue to do what they are doing and be in the upper Rachel on of this league...it’s not nova and everyone else anymore.

Did a sleeping giant just wake up?

[xukeith]

Does Georgetown now just ignore the abysmal losing and low quality performance of November - February?
All low quality coaching is forgiven?

If Steele and the X men just won the BE Championship, only 10 fans would be clapping/.

[Xville]

Does Georgetown now just ignore the abysmal losing and low quality performance of November - February?
All low quality coaching is forgiven?

Come on. If Steele and the X men just won the BE Championship, we all know here 80% of fans would not be so exuberant.

8-2 in their last ten with losses only to UConn; 10-4 in their last 14 with losses only to UConn, nova when completely healthy and creighton...yeah if that happened to Xavier I’d be pretty damn thrilled. Not how you start but how you finish.