Game canceled Saturday?

[OTRMUSKIE]

Heard from a buddy that’s Saturday’s game is canceled. Can anybody confirm this?

[atljar]

Confirmed. 'rona in the xu program again

[STL_XUfan]

Changed my mind, screw the essential workers, D1 college basketball players should be next in line. I need basketball to get me through this shit (I am joking, but not really, but am...unless it could happen)

[XUBison]

Changed my mind, screw the essential workers, D1 college basketball players should be next in line. I need basketball to get me through this shit (I am joking, but not really, but am...unless it could happen)

yep, to all of this. I mean, X basketball is the only thing I look forward to this time of year... outside my real life, that is. I guess looking forward to it is all we get to do. Ugh.

[XUGRAD80]

Just read this on Cincy.com. Afraid it’s true. All the car, motorcycle, travel, vacation, etc. shows are cancelled for this winter. The weather here in Cincy is mostly cold and grey. And now Xavier BB is back on hold. Man this sucks, but since there’s nothing I can do about it I guess I’ll just :drinks2:

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ugh sucks.

Anyone know the reason Kyky was in Lexington the other day like some have reported? I thought that was weird a player would be allowed to travel somewhere without the team. Not saying it's Kyky who has it but made me think about that which I thought was weird at the time. I know Jones went home but that was for personal reasons due to his grandfather's death.

[Xville]

Ugh sucks.

Anyone know the reason Kyky was in Lexington the other day like some have reported? I thought that was weird a player would be allowed to travel somewhere without the team. Not saying it's Kyky who has it but made me think about that which I thought was weird at the time. I know Jones went home but that was for personal reasons due to his grandfather's death.

If true, it could mean a myriad of things. All I will say is I’ll be beyond shocked if kyky is at Xavier next year.

[XUGRAD80]

Ugh sucks.

Anyone know the reason Kyky was in Lexington the other day like some have reported? I thought that was weird a player would be allowed to travel somewhere without the team. Not saying it's Kyky who has it but made me think about that which I thought was weird at the time. I know Jones went home but that was for personal reasons due to his grandfather's death.

Could have just been visiting friends, he is from southern KY so wouldn’t surprise me if he had friends in Lexington. On the other hand, I’d trade him for Dionte Allen in a heartbeat, so if Coach Cal wants to make a trade.....:biggrin:

[D-West & PO-Z]

Could have just been visiting friends, he is from southern KY so wouldn’t surprise me if he had friends in Lexington. On the other hand, I’d trade him for Dionte Allen in a heartbeat, so if Coach Cal wants to make a trade.....:biggrin:

When someone told me he was in Lexington the other day, this was before our last game, I thought no way a player is allowed to travel somewhere right now outside of where the team is traveling due to COVID, but then someone else talked about it too, I guess it was on one of his social media accounts.

Again Jones I get, he went home for family reasons.

I seriously doubt the players are allowed to travel out of state to go visit friends right now though.

[XUGRAD80]

When someone told me he was in Lexington the other day, this was before our last game, I thought no way a player is allowed to travel somewhere right now outside of where the team is traveling due to COVID, but then someone else talked about it too, I guess it was on one of his social media accounts.

Again Jones I get, he went home for family reasons.

I seriously doubt the players are allowed to travel out of state to go visit friends right now though.

Could have been his dad or a friend asked him to drive down and meet them for dinner. It’s less than 2 hours to drive to Lexington from X. Do people really think there’s a difference between driving to Lexington v driving to Columbus, just because you’re crossing the Ohio river and going into another state? This is getting silly.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Could have been his dad or a friend asked him to drive down and meet them for dinner. It’s less than 2 hours to drive to Lexington from X. Do people really think there’s a difference between driving to Lexington v driving to Columbus, just because you’re crossing the Ohio river and going into another state? This is getting silly.

I said out of state but didn't really mean just that. I would not think a player would be allowed to travel to Columbus either for personal reasons that aren't urgent, ie Jones.

That may seem extreme but heck we have been talking about the BE doing bubbles and taking kids off campus completely and out of class (XU is doing in person right?) and isolating them.

I would be absolutely shocked if the players are allowed to travel anywhere for non urgent reasons in or out of state.

If that is the case and players are doing that maybe time to rethink given this is our second stoppage of the year.

[Lloyd Braun]

Travis said he is injured but has not given any other details. Perhaps it was to seek treatment? Pure speculation as well.

[XUGRAD80]

I would think that the coaches can tell them “not to”, but I’m not sure that they can really control their free time that severely. Even under the current circumstances there are limits to what control they actually have over the players. Even if the players are told things are against team rules, I can guarantee that there are always players that are going to ignore those rules, and do them anyway. These are young people, often away from home and on their own for the first time in their lives, and they are going to push boundaries. It happens with every team, in every sport, every year.

New this is all pure speculation on our part....that is unless one of us actually SAW what has been reported and actually KNOWS the whole story. So let’s not let our imaginations run away and make this a bigger story than it actually is. We don’t actually KNOW that Tandy was in Lexington, and even if he was, we don’t actually KNOW why. Maybe he even had permission to go there, if he actually even did go there. I suggest caution before this RUMOR gets spread beyond this thread and causes possible damage or more problems. Let it die. It’s really none of our business, is it?

[xavierj]

To clarify he wasn’t in Lexington the night before the game. He may have been in Lexington at some point, but it wasn’t the night before a game. And I think people need to stop acting like he is causing trouble. He needs to contribute and play better and smarter when he comes in and it’s as simple as that. He will never be one to get excited so I wouldn’t read into that at all. Even if he would Have hit that shot against Providence he would still look like he does. It’s just who he is I guess and that’s fine with me. Don’t need someone to try to be someone they are not. Also don’t think KyKy is the one who tested positive for what it’s worth.

[bobbiemcgee]

I still believe in Kyky and think he can be a emerging talent for this team. Whatever is going on between he and Coach needs to get worked out. I don't want to see him transfer. And don't forget these are 18-22 yr. old kids. They make mistakes. We hear all the time about people who have never left the house in 11 months coming down with covid. Shit is everywhere. Just the way it is.

[D-West & PO-Z]

To clarify he wasn’t in Lexington the night before the game. He may have been in Lexington at some point, but it wasn’t the night before a game. And I think people need to stop acting like he is causing trouble. He needs to contribute and play better and smarter when he comes in and it’s as simple as that. He will never be one to get excited so I wouldn’t read into that at all. Even if he would Have hit that shot against Providence he would still look like he does. It’s just who he is I guess and that’s fine with me. Don’t need someone to try to be someone they are not. Also don’t think KyKy is the one who tested positive for what it’s worth.

Who said it was the night before?

Also I agree not being a cheerleader on the bench isn't a concern, just not his personality.

I didn't mean to imply it was KyKy, I have no idea, it just came across as odd to me as I heard that from someone and I thought no way, and then another person confirmed it as did his social media.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I would think that the coaches can tell them “not to”, but I’m not sure that they can really control their free time that severely. Even under the current circumstances there are limits to what control they actually have over the players. Even if the players are told things are against team rules, I can guarantee that there are always players that are going to ignore those rules, and do them anyway. These are young people, often away from home and on their own for the first time in their lives, and they are going to push boundaries. It happens with every team, in every sport, every year.

New this is all pure speculation on our part....that is unless one of us actually SAW what has been reported and actually KNOWS the whole story. So let’s not let our imaginations run away and make this a bigger story than it actually is. We don’t actually KNOW that Tandy was in Lexington, and even if he was, we don’t actually KNOW why. Maybe he even had permission to go there, if he actually even did go there. I suggest caution before this RUMOR gets spread beyond this thread and causes possible damage or more problems. Let it die. It’s really none of our business, is it?

I would think college coaches usually are pretty restrictive of players free time in normal circumstances and are even more so now. You think Nick Saban feels like he can't control his players free time, especially as it relates to doing so during a pandemic?

I agree though its inevitable for these teams, who are traveling, going to class, playing basketball against other teams, etc, to avoid getting COVID.

[STL_XUfan]

You think Nick Saban feels like he can't control his players free time, especially as it relates to doing so during a pandemic?



That is a bad example. There is absolutely nothing in the universe that Nick Saban doesn't believe he completely control.

[XU '11]

I would think college coaches usually are pretty restrictive of players free time in normal circumstances and are even more so now. You think Nick Saban feels like he can't control his players free time, especially as it relates to doing so during a pandemic?

I agree though its inevitable for these teams, who are traveling, going to class, playing basketball against other teams, etc, to avoid getting COVID.

I generally agree with this premise. It’s why I was so surprised when Saban was interviewed on the CFP selection show and was the only one of the four coaches saying he was allowing his players to travel home for Christmas. Mental health matters. Coaches who lock their players in their dorm rooms for 5 months are going to have miserable human beings on their teams and probably won’t win games. It’s a delicate balance.

[boozehound]

This has dealt my weekend plans a major blow. At least it's warm enough to Golf in NJ this weekend.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I generally agree with this premise. It’s why I was so surprised when Saban was interviewed on the CFP selection show and was the only one of the four coaches saying he was allowing his players to travel home for Christmas. Mental health matters. Coaches who lock their players in their dorm rooms for 5 months are going to have miserable human beings on their teams and probably won’t win games. It’s a delicate balance.

Yeah agree. I think it was a calculated risk to let their teams travel home for holidays but one that was the right decision. Came with risks but good for the players.

[XUGRAD80]

I would think college coaches usually are pretty restrictive of players free time in normal circumstances and are even more so now. You think Nick Saban feels like he can't control his players free time, especially as it relates to doing so during a pandemic?

I agree though its inevitable for these teams, who are traveling, going to class, playing basketball against other teams, etc, to avoid getting COVID.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/20-Hour-Rule-Document.pdf

I’d suggest you read this pdf. In essence, when X is home for a week the player-coaches interaction is limited to no more than 4 hours per day/20 hours per week. So they basically are going to give players off at least 1 day per week, if they aren’t traveling to an away game. A lot times that’s on a Sunday, following a Saturday game. This means completely off....no film study, not special one one one practice, nothing. The coaches can’t even follow the players around to are sure they don’t leave their dorms or campus. Now the coaches may tell the athletes they don’t want them to go somewhere, but the best they can really do is punish them if they are late for practice, or skip school, or skip a scheduled study period. Believe me, that happens. Most coaches don’t have a lot of rules in this regard because they realize that if they do, word will get around and they are only cutting their own throats when it comes to recruiting. They give them guidelines for sure, they tell what they would like for them to do. They tell them to be responsible. They tell them what they need to do to insure that they will be able to play this season. But when at home they aren’t nearly as restrictive as you might think. Road trips are a totally different situation. On road trips they do control almost your total time.

[MHettel]

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/20-Hour-Rule-Document.pdf

I’d suggest you read this pdf. In essence, when X is home for a week the player-coaches interaction is limited to no more than 4 hours per day/20 hours per week. So they basically are going to give players off at least 1 day per week, if they aren’t traveling to an away game. A lot times that’s on a Sunday, following a Saturday game. This means completely off....no film study, not special one one one practice, nothing. The coaches can’t even follow the players around to are sure they don’t leave their dorms or campus. Now the coaches may tell the athletes they don’t want them to go somewhere, but the best they can really do is punish them if they are late for practice, or skip school, or skip a scheduled study period. Believe me, that happens. Most coaches don’t have a lot of rules in this regard because they realize that if they do, word will get around and they are only cutting their own throats when it comes to recruiting. They give them guidelines for sure, they tell what they would like for them to do. They tell them to be responsible. They tell them what they need to do to insure that they will be able to play this season. But when at home they aren’t nearly as restrictive as you might think. Road trips are a totally different situation. On road trips they do control almost your total time.

Didn't read the link and don't agree with your narrative.

Missing and or failing classes and having to sit out a game is more a lesson of responsibility than anything else.

Missing a practice can be viewed as detrimental to the team, and could result in a missed game

Causing problems (malcontent) in a program is detrimental to the team and could result in a suspension or even being dismissed. We've seen that at XU a number of times.

But the Covid thing is a whole different beast. it can ruin the entire season. I believe the coach is well within his authority to restrict what players can do. If they break the rules then they put the season at risk for everyone. I would think discipline would occur if Covid related rules are broken

[D-West & PO-Z]

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/20-Hour-Rule-Document.pdf

I’d suggest you read this pdf. In essence, when X is home for a week the player-coaches interaction is limited to no more than 4 hours per day/20 hours per week. So they basically are going to give players off at least 1 day per week, if they aren’t traveling to an away game. A lot times that’s on a Sunday, following a Saturday game. This means completely off....no film study, not special one one one practice, nothing. The coaches can’t even follow the players around to are sure they don’t leave their dorms or campus. Now the coaches may tell the athletes they don’t want them to go somewhere, but the best they can really do is punish them if they are late for practice, or skip school, or skip a scheduled study period. Believe me, that happens. Most coaches don’t have a lot of rules in this regard because they realize that if they do, word will get around and they are only cutting their own throats when it comes to recruiting. They give them guidelines for sure, they tell what they would like for them to do. They tell them to be responsible. They tell them what they need to do to insure that they will be able to play this season. But when at home they aren’t nearly as restrictive as you might think. Road trips are a totally different situation. On road trips they do control almost your total time.

I think all that makes sense in non COVID times. I am positive there are more restrictions during this COVID time.

[XUGRAD80]

Didn't read the link and don't agree with your narrative.

Missing and or failing classes and having to sit out a game is more a lesson of responsibility than anything else.

Missing a practice can be viewed as detrimental to the team, and could result in a missed game

Causing problems (malcontent) in a program is detrimental to the team and could result in a suspension or even being dismissed. We've seen that at XU a number of times.

But the Covid thing is a whole different beast. it can ruin the entire season. I believe the coach is well within his authority to restrict what players can do. If they break the rules then they put the season at risk for everyone. I would think discipline would occur if Covid related rules are broken

read the rules.

[XUGRAD80]

I think all that makes sense in non COVID times. I am positive there are more restrictions during this COVID time.

There’s nothing in the NCAA rule book that allows them to place extra restrictions on the athlete, just because they are an athlete, other than those stipulated in the rule book. Now, if the university has stipulated that there are additional restrictions/rules to be placed on the athletes, and the athletes agree to them as a condition of participation, that’s a different story. It’s quite possible that is the case, but we don’t know that for certain. I still think that they would have a hard time enforcing any such rule restricting their travel during “off duty” time.

They could easily tell them that they travel at their “own risk” and that if their travel did cause a disruption with the rest of the team that they would be held responsible. In other words....don’t take the trip unless you’re will to take the chance you might get COVID and cause other problems, and IF that happens you will pay the price. But I don’t think they would just outright say you CAN’T....more of a case of them saying DON’T.

[D-West & PO-Z]

There’s nothing in the NCAA rule book that allows them to place extra restrictions on the athlete, just because they are an athlete, other than those stipulated in the rule book. Now, if the university has stipulated that there are additional restrictions/rules to be placed on the athletes, and the athletes agree to them as a condition of participation, that’s a different story. It’s quite possible that is the case, but we don’t know that for certain. I still think that they would have a hard time enforcing any such rule restricting their travel during “off duty” time.

They could easily tell them that they travel at their “own risk” and that if their travel did cause a disruption with the rest of the team that they would be held responsible. In other words....don’t take the trip unless you’re will to take the chance you might get COVID and cause other problems, and IF that happens you will pay the price. But I don’t think they would just outright say you CAN’T....more of a case of them saying DON’T.

You are splitting hairs

[xukeith]

Yeah agree. I think it was a calculated risk to let their teams travel home for holidays but one that was the right decision. Came with risks but good for the players.

Has Freemantle gone home with his parents? He stayed at X due to Covid in NJ for the summer.
I only imagine his mom as being tougher than Zach and strongly suggesting he not come to NJ until Covid dies out.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Has Freemantle gone home with his parents? He stayed at X due to Covid in NJ for the summer.
I only imagine his mom as being tougher than Zach and strongly suggesting he not come to NJ until Covid dies out.

No idea

[MHettel]

You are splitting hairs

Yeah, I'm not understanding the distinction either.

The NCAA has rules. Does the NCAA have rules that say you MUST get suspended if you miss a class? Or, does the NCAA have a rule that says you WONT be suspended if you miss a class? Or is it a decision made by the program? I think I know the answer.

Using that as a backdrop, I'm concluding that the rules and consequences or not following them are at the discretion of the coach.

There is no difference if a coach says "don't leave town" or "you cant leave town." In either case, if you were to leave town it would be in defiance of the coaches directive. This is well within their authority.

[XUGRAD80]

I’m only saying that they can’t really monitor it. So if they can’t monitor it, why make it a “rule”? I don’t see how they realistically would, especially when it deals with their FREE TIME. Going to class is a part of their time that the coaches can monitor (and do). Attending study halls, where attendance is taken, they can monitor (and do). What a kid does in their FREE time? Not so much. I just don’t see how they can regulate the kids that much. C’mon, you really think they are telling 23 year olds that they can’t go anywhere? You think those guys are spending ALL of their time either at practice, in class, or in the dorms? This ain’t the NBA, they aren’t in a bubble.

That was the comment that led to all of this......that the OP was sure that KyKy wouldn’t be allowed to travel “out of state” to Lexington. I’m of the belief that the coaches will only tell them that they don’t want them to do so, but if they did they better be careful and not be late for any team activities or miss any classes. I mean you can pick up COVID more easily in Hamilton County than just about anywhere in KY. You don’t pick it up by just driving across the Ohio River, or by going out of town. It’s more likely that he would bring it with him, than he would pick it up and bring it back. Why would they have a “rule” saying they can’t leave town?

[Lloyd Braun]

Anyone have any further info on games beyond tomorrow’s postponement?

[bobbiemcgee]

https://goxavier.com/calendar

no sense in going past Jan. as far as schedule in these conditions.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Anyone have any further info on games beyond tomorrow’s postponement?

Baum posted that there is hope this is a different situation than last time and that there is hope that Wednesday's game is still in play.