How to deal with this new reality

[Xuperman]

I know this thread will ruffle some feathers......I, in no way, post it with a negative mindset. Just concern.

With the new Wild West transfer rules, coupled with today's young egos (thanks social media), Coaches now have to deal with a totally new dynamic.....how do you keep your scholarship roster from becoming a revolving door?

Unfortunately, Coach Steele is in the crosshairs of this conundrum and he will be one of the first to test the waters of this new landscape. The coaching STAFF, suddenly, has much more to think about.

I'm only looking for honest feedback, not angst for starting the the thread.
BUT. Kunk is not going anywhere....DITTO Dwon. CoJo is going to be a minutes hog, sooner than later and ZFree is the next coming. There is only one basketball.

I can't bring myself to say it, but it's obvious where I'm going here. Is there any realistic way to keep this family together? Do today's kids have comment/patience?

[GoMuskies]

How do you know those guys aren't going anywhere? What if desperate Calipari comes calling for Kunkel? I'm sure his dream was to play at Kentucky. I'm not sure he wouldn't go. There are probably a lot of kids who didn't get offered by their dream school who may be willing to jump ship if that school now finds having them on the team attractive. We won't really know for sure until we go through the first offseason with these rules.

[Xuperman]

How do you know those guys aren't going anywhere? What if desperate Calipari comes calling for Kunkel? I'm sure his dream was to play at Kentucky. I'm not sure he wouldn't go. There are probably a lot of kids who didn't get offered by their dream school who may be willing to jump ship if that school now finds having them on the team attractive. We won't really know for sure until we go through the first offseason with these rules.

Spot on!
That is why I thought this thread would make great conversation.

Let there be no doubt,
Calipari could send Kunk a Hallmark and a hooker, but he's not going anywhere.

With that Sunday magic, he's found a home! To go elsewhere would be Karma suicide. ��

[fellahmuskie]

I'm pretty sure Steele will only benefit from the new transfer rules.

[usfldan]

Not to be too naive, but aren't there rules about how/when coaches can contact players, especially those from other teams? Like Calipari can't just call up Kunkel today and say "Hey, come play with us next year." The player would have to enter the transfer portal first, then coaches can start poaching.

[XUGRAD80]

There will probably be SOME additional movement, but I’m not sure it’s going to be the wild Wild West. It’s going to be a ONE TIME allowance, and I suspect that it means that an additional waiver is going to be really hard to get. In addition, they still have a limit on roster size, so it’s not going to be like a coach can stockpile players. Kentucky may well have been his dream school, but I wouldn’t really count on that. Not everyone wants to go to the big state school, even in KY. I think the fact that he originally choose Belmont, a small private school, and then transferred to X, another small private school, shows what his preference is. By the way, think that Deonte Allen might be rethinking his choice of going to KY and not X right now? The opportunity to play at a higher profile program is not always enough of an incentive to get a player to transfer. Let’s say a kid is a starter and a star at a successful lower tier program and the coach at a high level program gives him the opportunity to transfer. I can’t imagine the coach guarantees him a starting and staring position. The kid then has a decision to make....stay and continue to be the STAR or transfer and maybe not even play that much. After that you start to get into more personal decisions.....girlfriends, family, personal happiness, etc all come into play. I think it’s going to be more a situation where a player transfers for opportunities to play/start and not just so that they can be a part of a major program with little or no actual playing time. In fact, if I was a Ky, Duke, NC, etc. I would be more worried about losing my backup players, than if I was an X being worried about losing its stars.

[Xavier]

I'm pretty sure Steele will only benefit from the new transfer rules.

Thats how I see it. I am not too worried about the rule at all

[Xuperman]

I'm pretty sure Steele will only benefit from the new transfer rules.

You're probably right. Lose a Bishop, gain a Kunkle is certainly a benefit!

[Muskie]

Am I misunderstanding the transfer rule as it now sits? I thought you got one free transfer and the next one requires a sit out. I'd like to see a rule added that if a player transfers from school A to school B, that player would be precluded from playing against School A going forward.

[Smails]

I think it’s going to be more a situation where a player transfers for opportunities to play/start and not just so that they can be a part of a major program with little or no actual playing time. In fact, if I was a Ky, Duke, NC, etc. I would be more worried about losing my backup players, than if I was an X being worried about losing its stars.

This...I actually think XU might be a good position to benefit versus this actually hurting the program. I think you'll see mid-major stars looking to play for a major school in a major conference (XU benefit), or highly recruited players not getting the PT they want at blueblood schools and looking to leave (could be an XU benefit).

[STL_XUfan]

They should be as free to transfer as any other student at the University.

Overall I think you will see players at A-10 level and higher transferring down a step to get playing time rather than moving up to programs. For leagues below A-10 level, they will likely lose some of their studs in hopes to start at a school that will get them more exposure with scouts.

[Xavier]

Am I misunderstanding the transfer rule as it now sits? I thought you got one free transfer and the next one requires a sit out. I'd like to see a rule added that if a player transfers from school A to school B, that player would be precluded from playing against School A going forward.

That was how I have heard it to- you get one free transfer basically. After that it is normal rules. I assumed the talk about Kunkel was an example, but he would not be able to transfer and play right away again.

[Dblue]

This...I actually think XU might be a good position to benefit versus this actually hurting the program. I think you'll see mid-major stars looking to play for a major school in a major conference (XU benefit), or highly recruited players not getting the PT they want at blueblood schools and looking to leave (could be an XU benefit).

I agree with this. The more and more I think about this, XU is primed to take them best advantage. Steele is already very active on the transfer market and this year seems to be proving to be pretty successful at it.

If I were Kentucky, I'd be concerned on maintaining bench strength going forward. Suddenly your 4* bench players who are getting limited minutes behind the 1 and dones can go to other big conference schools and get starts and minutes they envisioned out of high school.

[markchal]

I agree with this. The more and more I think about this, XU is primed to take them best advantage. Steele is already very active on the transfer market and this year seems to be proving to be pretty successful at it.

If I were Kentucky, I'd be concerned on maintaining bench strength going forward. Suddenly your 4* bench players who are getting limited minutes behind the 1 and dones can go to other big conference schools and get starts and minutes they envisioned out of high school.

I mean, we kinda suffer from this too don't we? Wasnt Bishop a 4-star who is now averaging 14/game at St. Joes? What if Tandy, now likely behind Jones and Kunkel in the rotation, gets tired of being the 8th/9th man and wants to go somewhere where he can get the volume his game needs? It's one thing to lose a Dontarius James or Elias Harden, another to keep really valuable guys happy when they aren't getting opportunities.

[atljar]

I'd look at history and see who we have lost, and who we have gained from transfers. Overwhelmingly it has been positive for X. The one OMG they transferred loss we had was the universities own mistake, being Dez Wells. The upsides have been plentiful, drew lavendrew, Jordan Crawford, cj Anderson, Matt stainbook etc etc etc

[GoMuskies]

Churchill Odia trasferred away! And Leo Murray!

[xuwin]

I'm pretty sure Steele will only benefit from the new transfer rules.

True but with Xavier's depth of talent there will be transfers out too.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Am I misunderstanding the transfer rule as it now sits? I thought you got one free transfer and the next one requires a sit out. I'd like to see a rule added that if a player transfers from school A to school B, that player would be precluded from playing against School A going forward.

What so if you transfer from XU to UK and XU happened to play UK that player couldn't play? That seems a bit out there to me.

What if you play in a thanksgiving tourney? Or the NCAA tourney?

[D-West & PO-Z]

They should be as free to transfer as any other student at the University.

Overall I think you will see players at A-10 level and higher transferring down a step to get playing time rather than moving up to programs. For leagues below A-10 level, they will likely lose some of their studs in hopes to start at a school that will get them more exposure with scouts.

Yeah for every Kunkel from Belmont to X, you have 2 James from X to Jacksonville/Bishop from X to St. Joes.

Edit: To be clear I don't mean this in a negative way for X. I mean it in a the middle schools/lower schools will get transfers too and wont just be decimated and be the end of college basketball as we know it like some have suggested.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I mean, we kinda suffer from this too don't we? Wasnt Bishop a 4-star who is now averaging 14/game at St. Joes? What if Tandy, now likely behind Jones and Kunkel in the rotation, gets tired of being the 8th/9th man and wants to go somewhere where he can get the volume his game needs? It's one thing to lose a Dontarius James or Elias Harden, another to keep really valuable guys happy when they aren't getting opportunities.

I am glad those guys get a chance to transfer down and get more PT. You think Bishop would be seeing the floor on this team? No way. Maybe take Wilcher's 2-5 mins but nothing significant. If Kyky transfers he transfers, it wont be because this new rule though.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'd look at history and see who we have lost, and who we have gained from transfers. Overwhelmingly it has been positive for X. The one OMG they transferred loss we had was the universities own mistake, being Dez Wells. The upsides have been plentiful, drew lavendrew, Jordan Crawford, cj Anderson, Matt stainbook etc etc etc

Yeah this..

[X-band '01]

Churchill Odia trasferred away! And Leo Murray!

At least Leo Murray and ETSU got to return to Xavier!