Providence & Seton Hall Games Postponed

[XU20]

https://twitter.com/mattnorlander/status/1337396685560033280?s=21


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ugh. Not good. I have to imagine this is due to a positive test and we have 2 weeks of no Xavier basketball coming up.

[Xville]

Fffffffffk

[murray87]

Not seeing this anywhere else. Fake news?

[Xville]

Really hoping this source is wrong...we shall see

[Xavier]

Just saw Rothstein post it, too. This is why I was so pumped to get 7 games in already. Damn

[bjf123]

Just confirmed on 700 WLW. Said the next game is also postponed.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[bobbiemcgee]

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1337403163914211331?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[GoMuskies]

It's on the Xavier official site now. Given that our schedule is only posted through December 23, we literally do not know when we'll next see Xavier basketball.

[Xavier]

Next two games are out- I thought we had the blue jays after that? That is probably a toss up, also. I'd be surprised if it happened

[GoMuskies]

For poor DePaul, when we go ahead and cancel on them it will make them zero for eight on trying to get a game in.

[GoMuskies]

According to the official XU BB website, it's "a positive COVID-19 test result by a Tier 1 member of the program." I assume that is a player or coach.

[Xavier]

I'm still fine with Travis trip to Dana's...but just poor timing to have a positive test right after it. Optics aren't great.

[markchal]

really disappointing because I thought Oklahoma could be the start of something...sucks to lose a few weeks of games and practice and any momentum...I guess it's just part of the reality this year, but I'm bummed about not having games to watch for awhile

[jhelmes37]

I'm still fine with Travis trip to Dana's...but just poor timing to have a positive test right after it. Optics aren't great.

BJ confirmed it was a player

[atljar]

So how does this work?

A player tests positive, they obviously have to quarantine.

Anyone they have been around, without a mask on, also has to quarantine for 7-10 days?

So thats basically the entire program in quarantine for 7-10? Do they have to quarantine alone, or can they quarantine together? If together, no reason they couldnt practice right, or is that a no no because if another person has it, then the risk of spread continues to amplify?

[Xavier]

I am assuming all basketball activities are going to be stopped for 10 days or whatever the period needs to be. Just hope it doesn't slowly spread through the team or it could be another month before they play.

Hope Big East moves to the bubble format they were thinking about doing.

[muskiefan82]

So how does this work?

A player tests positive, they obviously have to quarantine.

Anyone they have been around, without a mask on, also has to quarantine for 7-10 days?

So thats basically the entire program in quarantine for 7-10? Do they have to quarantine alone, or can they quarantine together? If together, no reason they couldnt practice right, or is that a no no because if another person has it, then the risk of spread continues to amplify?

IF one player is positive, the others may or may not have been infected so you can't put any of them together.

[jhelmes37]

So how does this work?

A player tests positive, they obviously have to quarantine.

Anyone they have been around, without a mask on, also has to quarantine for 7-10 days?

So thats basically the entire program in quarantine for 7-10? Do they have to quarantine alone, or can they quarantine together? If together, no reason they couldnt practice right, or is that a no no because if another person has it, then the risk of spread continues to amplify?

The women's team was quarantined and assuming no other news they'll resume on Sunday after 11 days off.

The rumor is that after 7 days, if there's no other positive tests other than the 1 kid who tested positive, they can resume activities.

That would mean the goal is probably to play next on the 20th against Marquette.

[SM#24]

I'm with Coach K, cancel the whole season. We're 7-0, best record in the country. I guess that makes us National Champs !

[paulxu]

This means no practice too I guess. Sucks.

[D-West & PO-Z]

So how does this work?

A player tests positive, they obviously have to quarantine.

Anyone they have been around, without a mask on, also has to quarantine for 7-10 days?

So thats basically the entire program in quarantine for 7-10? Do they have to quarantine alone, or can they quarantine together? If together, no reason they couldnt practice right, or is that a no no because if another person has it, then the risk of spread continues to amplify?

They will not be practicing.

I am not positive if it is 7-10 days or 14 but other programs we have seen shut down have been shut down for 14. I am guessing like Go said every game we knew about on the schedule will be cancelled and we wont know when the next game will be.

[Drew]

Welp, see y'all in 7 to 14 days.

[boozehound]

Well. This sucks.

[Mrs. Garrett]

For poor DePaul, when we go ahead and cancel on them it will make them zero for eight on trying to get a game in.

I'm pretty sure Dave Leitao is fine with this. If they don't play he can't get fired. Which I'm pretty sure is going to happen once play resumes for him with the new AD.

[GoMuskies]

You make a solid point. When was the last time DePaul had a winning streak stretch over 9 months?!?

[XUGRAD80]

I think it’s going to be the rare school that doesn’t go through this sometime this year. But it still sucks. Hope everyone is OK, that’s the really important thing. The rest of this is just fun and games.

[Mrs. Garrett]

I think college basketball players should be considered essential workers and move to the front of the line for vaccinations ASAP.

[Smails]

I think college basketball players should be considered essential workers and move to the front of the line for vaccinations ASAP.

I second that emotion. 2020 can continue to eat a chode..

[xavierj]

Looks like Louisville shut down for 7 days after their positive test. Went back to workouts yesterday and will have a full team practice tomorrow. So we can expect to see Xavier back to full practice or a game in about 10 days.

[muskiefan82]

And maybe X will have Ben Stanley for their next game if the NCAA can figure out how to actually do something right

[bleedXblue]

I'm still fine with Travis trip to Dana's...but just poor timing to have a positive test right after it. Optics aren't great.

That was a dumb ass move on his part........

[xavierj]

That was a dumb ass move on his part........

Why? If you can’t have fun, why do it? It didn’t cause any issues. It’s not like he was running around without a mask licking people. He was in and out. Can’t live in a bubble. I am all for that with or without COVID.

[jhelmes37]

I think college basketball players should be considered essential workers and move to the front of the line for vaccinations ASAP.

What would *truly* make sense is vaccinate all the high risk people and then just let it roll. If they get sick, they get sick (the basketball players). There's effectively a 0% chance of death for a finely tuned kid aged 18-22. Most are asymptomatic (and word is the positive player is asymptomatic currently).

Of course that will never happen. It would make way too much sense.

[jhelmes37]

That was a dumb ass move on his part........

Dude, he was masked, walked into a bar, dropped 2k, and left. If you've gotten carryout during the pandemic, you've been just as risky as Travis was that night.

[bleedXblue]

So how much of this can a program and its players take? The potential for the average team to have to shut it down and quarantine at least 2-3 times through the course of this season is pretty damn high. I can tell you, quarantining is not easy. Try spending 7-10 days in a room by yourself. Its awful. I just don't see this ending well. They would be better off to shut it down for 60 days and let this thing settle down. Get vaccinations to as many as possible and hope things improve. It they do, start the season back full tilt in February and end in late April or early May when the school year finishes up.

[bleedXblue]

Dude, he was masked, walked into a bar, dropped 2k, and left. If you've gotten carryout during the pandemic, you've been just as risky as Travis was that night.

The optics just aren't great right now. I personally don't care, but that's just asking for additional scrutiny when you should be trying to avoid it.

[Masterofreality]

Welp. This is exactly what the Big East planned for by scheduling early games. Usually we wouldn't even have a conference game until after Christmas. The great thing is we have our entire Non-Con schedule in the books.

There is plenty of time to make these games up and one more reason why there was no league schedule posted past Christmas. We'll be fine and all games will be played.

[JTG]

On the bright side, come Monday we'll still be unbeaten. Good chance to crack the Top 25, maybe top 20.

[xavierj]

So how much of this can a program and its players take? The potential for the average team to have to shut it down and quarantine at least 2-3 times through the course of this season is pretty damn high. I can tell you, quarantining is not easy. Try spending 7-10 days in a room by yourself. Its awful. I just don't see this ending well. They would be better off to shut it down for 60 days and let this thing settle down. Get vaccinations to as many as possible and hope things improve. It they do, start the season back full tilt in February and end in late April or early May when the school year finishes up.

In two months it will not be any different. Not everyone will be vaccinated by then and you can’t force players to get vaccinated if they don’t want to. So in Two, three or four months this will still be an issue. Hopefully by next season it’s a thing of the past, but two months won’t make it go away. We have been saying that since last March.

[STL_XUfan]

What would *truly* make sense is vaccinate all the high risk people and then just let it roll. If they get sick, they get sick (the basketball players). There's effectively a 0% chance of death for a finely tuned kid aged 18-22. Most are asymptomatic (and word is the positive player is asymptomatic currently).

Of course that will never happen. It would make way too much sense.

Just because they don't die doesn't mean they won't have other issues down the road. Not really sure you can justify risking their future career and health when you are not paying them.

So far the system seems to be working in avoiding massive outbreaks in teams. Hopefully that keeps up if everyone continues to follow the rules.

[GoMuskies]

Just because they don't die doesn't mean they won't have other issues down the road. Not really sure you can justify risking their future career and health when you are not paying them.

For better or worse, that's pretty much been the move for every college campus with respect to its general student population.

[XU_Lou]

You gotta love this:

"Michael Schnedlitz, a member of Austria’s National Council and the general secretary of the right-wing Freedom Party, railed against the government’s screening program and other coronavirus measures while addressing his colleagues in parliament on Thursday. During his speech, Schnedlitz administered a rapid Covid-19 test on a glass of cola, showing his colleagues after a few minutes that the sugary carbonated beverage had tested positive for the virus. "

https://www.rt.com/news/509377-austria-mp-test-cola-covid-positive/

https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/12/11/watch-austrian-mp-tests-cola-for-covid-19-yields-positive-result/

Why is it that the majority in this country refuses to question the data - all I've seen is one demonstrable lie after another. Deaths you say? How many died FROM Covid versus how many died WITH covid - if indeed they did have covid (was the test accurate?)

[xu82]

Welp. This is exactly what the Big East planned for by scheduling early games. Usually we wouldn't even have a conference game until after Christmas. The great thing is we have our entire Non-Con schedule in the books.

There is plenty of time to make these games up and one more reason why there was no league schedule posted past Christmas. We'll be fine and all games will be played.

I like your optimism and hope you’re correct. I don’t see this going away any time soon, but maybe we can limp thru something that resembles a season. At what point do you say enough is enough?


.

[XUGRAD80]

Not really sure you can justify risking their future career and health when you are not paying them.

.

Every college athlete is risking their future career and health every time they participate in a practice or a contest. And they do it gladly. The players WANT to be out there practicing and competing. Those that don’t have already chosen to sit out. Pay had nothing to do with it. Nothing. Geez didn’t you ever play a sport just for the FUN of it? These players are playing because ENJOY it. So let them enjoy it for as long, and as much, as they can. Don’t take it away from them because YOU are scared. Heck, Scruggs and Carter are going to be 23 years old sometime soon. At what point do we allow them to be treated like adults? Any one of these players is old enough to serve in the military and really be put into harms way. Stop thinking of them as just kids. They are old enough to make some decisions on their own, and they do. Let them make this decision for themselves.

[XU_Lou]

Every college athlete is risking their future career and health every time they participate in a practice or a contest. And they do it gladly. The players WANT to be out there practicing and competing. Those that don’t have already chosen to sit out. Pay had nothing to do with it. Nothing. Geez didn’t you ever play a sport just for the FUN of it? These players are playing because ENJOY it. So let them enjoy it for as long, and as much, as they can. Don’t take it away from them because YOU are scared. Heck, Scruggs and Carter are going to be 23 years old sometime soon. At what point do we allow them to be treated like adults? Any one of these players is old enough to serve in the military and really be put into harms way. Stop thinking of them as just kids. They are old enough to make some decisions on their own, and they do. Let them make this decision for themselves.

Bingo!

[GIMMFD]

Looks like Louisville shut down for 7 days after their positive test. Went back to workouts yesterday and will have a full team practice tomorrow. So we can expect to see Xavier back to full practice or a game in about 10 days.

CDC guidelines are 10 days of quarantine after exposure, or 10 days after a positive test/lack of fever, symptoms, the only exception being if anybody was hospitalized in the ICU, it gets to 7 days if after day 5 or 6 of quarantine a COVID test comes back negative and the person never showed signs of symptoms.

[Lloyd Braun]

CDC guidelines are 10 days of quarantine after exposure, or 10 days after a positive test/lack of fever, symptoms, the only exception being if anybody was hospitalized in the ICU, it gets to 7 days if after day 5 or 6 of quarantine a COVID test comes back negative and the person never showed signs of symptoms.

Negative test on day 7 for everyone clears them too. So realistically the timeline will be 7 days assuming no further widespread positive tests interim.

Sorry I misread the ICU part... long day. Maybe I have covid

[D-West & PO-Z]

What would *truly* make sense is vaccinate all the high risk people and then just let it roll. If they get sick, they get sick (the basketball players). There's effectively a 0% chance of death for a finely tuned kid aged 18-22. Most are asymptomatic (and word is the positive player is asymptomatic currently).

Of course that will never happen. It would make way too much sense.

Unfortunately the only negative result of getting COVID isn't death. It isn't 100% fine or dead. So your premise is flawed.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dude, he was masked, walked into a bar, dropped 2k, and left. If you've gotten carryout during the pandemic, you've been just as risky as Travis was that night.

I was a little surprised he touched people. He shook a couple hands and took a couple pictures.

Honestly makes me think hes probably already had it so he isnt worried about getting it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

So how much of this can a program and its players take? The potential for the average team to have to shut it down and quarantine at least 2-3 times through the course of this season is pretty damn high. I can tell you, quarantining is not easy. Try spending 7-10 days in a room by yourself. Its awful. I just don't see this ending well. They would be better off to shut it down for 60 days and let this thing settle down. Get vaccinations to as many as possible and hope things improve. It they do, start the season back full tilt in February and end in late April or early May when the school year finishes up.

Unfortunately in 60 days very few people in the general public will have vaccines. That isnt going to happen until March or April at the earliest. So I am not sure shutting down for 60 days does anyone any good.

But I agree its is hard on the teams and players etc. And the chances of a team having to shut down multiple times is pretty high you are right.

[GoMuskies]

I mean, it's hard on teams and players....but would it really be easier on any of them if they were NOT playing?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Negative test on day 7 for everyone clears them too. So realistically the timeline will be 7 days assuming no further widespread positive tests interim.

The negative test can be taken as soon as day 5 for the 7 day clearance. But yeah this has to be at least a 7 day quarantine. Wonder if it started today or yesterday?

[Xavier]

The players did have the option to opt out though, right? Isn’t that the whole point of this season not counting towards eligibility?

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Every college athlete is risking their future career and health every time they participate in a practice or a contest. And they do it gladly. The players WANT to be out there practicing and competing. Those that don’t have already chosen to sit out. Pay had nothing to do with it. Nothing. Geez didn’t you ever play a sport just for the FUN of it? These players are playing because ENJOY it. So let them enjoy it for as long, and as much, as they can. Don’t take it away from them because YOU are scared. Heck, Scruggs and Carter are going to be 23 years old sometime soon. At what point do we allow them to be treated like adults? Any one of these players is old enough to serve in the military and really be put into harms way. Stop thinking of them as just kids. They are old enough to make some decisions on their own, and they do. Let them make this decision for themselves.

Sorry. I have to think about your post for a minute. "Make this decision for themselves" you say? Make it themselves, right?

Just to be certain I'm clear on this, you are saying the individuals most directly affected; the ones in harms way, so to speak, those people get to make the decisions that will affect them? So, politicians, governors like Cuomo, Whimer, Murphy, etc., they don't make our decisions for us? Then, what do those people do if not tell the rest of us what to do, think and say?

That's kind of out there in left field don't you think? I mean, you have got to be kidding me, right? Are you f**king nuts?

[Lloyd Braun]

The negative test can be taken as soon as day 5 for the 7 day clearance. But yeah this has to be at least a 7 day quarantine. Wonder if it started today or yesterday?

Yes, but this is to give leeway to those without access to rapid testing for practical reasons. From what I’ve heard they are likely to test them before day 7 but are waiting until day 7 test to clear everyone.

[paulxu]

Since we had 7 games in the book, I had somehow convinced myself that our team had figured out how to stay in their own private bubble.
Living quarters, practices, limited travel, etc.
And of course thought it would continue.

Crap.

[XU_Lou]

Since we had 7 games in the book, I had somehow convinced myself that our team had figured out how to stay in their own private bubble.
Living quarters, practices, limited travel, etc.
And of course thought it would continue.

Crap.

More proof that you can't control the virus, don't ya think?

[XUGRAD80]

Sorry. I have to think about your post for a minute. "Make this decision for themselves" you say? Make it themselves, right?

Just to be certain I'm clear on this, you are saying the individuals most directly affected; the ones in harms way, so to speak, those people get to make the decisions that will affect them? So, politicians, governors like Cuomo, Whimer, Murphy, etc., they don't make our decisions for us? Then, what do those people do if not tell the rest of us what to do, think and say?

That's kind of out there in left field don't you think? I mean, you have got to be kidding me, right? Are you f**king nuts?

I’m saying that not once have I heard anyone ask the players if they wanted to shut things down, or play. They are the ones that are running the most risk. So before you shut them down for “their” safety, shouldn’t they be asked what “they” think? I’m betting that 99% of them will say, “let us play”.

Now, if they can’t play without really placing other people in real danger by them playing, then that’s a different story. But I’m not being put in any danger by them playing, and neither are you. They could easily play with no TV, no radio, no fans, no cheerleaders, etc. Just them, the coaches, the timekeepers/scorekeepers, and the referees. Nobody else need be put in any danger, and the ones that are there, can all be volunteers to be there.

The key here is that the players want to play. They aren’t the ones that insist on the media coverage. How do we know that they want to play? Because it’s what they do all year long. When there isn’t any TV, no Radio, no reporters, no fans, cheerleaders, etc. they are still out there playing in gyms and on courts all over the country. In all this discussion by fans, coaches, administrators, etc. we keep talking about keeping “them” safe. And their safety should be A concern of ours. But so should THEIR wishes. They are the ones that SHOULD be deciding if THEY want to chance it, just as every other adult does when they decide to leave their home, interact with other people, go to a restaurant, etc.

[xu82]

Unfortunately in 60 days very few people in the general public will have vaccines. That isnt going to happen until March or April at the earliest. So I am not sure shutting down for 60 days does anyone any good.

But I agree its is hard on the teams and players etc. And the chances of a team having to shut down multiple times is pretty high you are right.

Yeah, this is NOT the last bump in the road, unfortunately. It will be a very fluid situation and we all need to be ready for changes on the fly while hoping we make it to the finish line and have a little March Madness run! I’m not sure what’s more unlikely, a tournament run.....or a tournament.

[MADXSTER]

I saw the movie, 'I am Legend' and the long term effect of the vaccine for cancer was NOT good. Just sayin

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I’m saying that not once have I heard anyone ask the players if they wanted to shut things down, or play. They are the ones that are running the most risk. So before you shut them down for “their” safety, shouldn’t they be asked what “they” think? I’m betting that 99% of them will say, “let us play”.

Now, if they can’t play without really placing other people in real danger by them playing, then that’s a different story. But I’m not being put in any danger by them playing, and neither are you. They could easily play with no TV, no radio, no fans, no cheerleaders, etc. Just them, the coaches, the timekeepers/scorekeepers, and the referees. Nobody else need be put in any danger, and the ones that are there, can all be volunteers to be there.

The key here is that the players want to play. They aren’t the ones that insist on the media coverage. How do we know that they want to play? Because it’s what they do all year long. When there isn’t any TV, no Radio, no reporters, no fans, cheerleaders, etc. they are still out there playing in gyms and on courts all over the country. In all this discussion by fans, coaches, administrators, etc. we keep talking about keeping “them” safe. And their safety should be A concern of ours. But so should THEIR wishes. They are the ones that SHOULD be deciding if THEY want to chance it, just as every other adult does when they decide to leave their home, interact with other people, go to a restaurant, etc.

I agree with you. You're right. My post was meant to be a humorous use of sarcasm. The problem is, outside of the late Don Rickles, sarcasm isn't really that humorous. And, there were a bunch of comedians who didn't rely on sarcasm who were quite funny; funnier than Rickles. So, yes, let the players decide.

SJU played Seton Hall tonight and G-Town played Nova. I had tomorrow evening circled. I was very interested to see how Ed Cooley game planned for the Muskies. Now they are grounded and that makes me want to drop a bunch of ten decibel F-Bombs.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yes, but this is to give leeway to those without access to rapid testing for practical reasons. From what I’ve heard they are likely to test them before day 7 but are waiting until day 7 test to clear everyone.

That makes sense. Thanks.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wouldn't it be something if by our next game Stanley is eligible and we now have him for the full BE slate? I think we would all agree that down low is our biggest area of concerns right now. Well from what I have seen it is just a formality at this point that Stanley (and all transfers) will become eligible on or before the 16th.

We were hot but honestly it might not be such a bad thing given the BE knew and prepared for this sort of thing happening and there should be plenty of time to make games up. That is why the schedule wasnt released for pas this month.

[xu82]

Wouldn't it be something if by our next game Stanley is eligible and we now have him for the full BE slate? I think we would all agree that down low is our biggest area of concerns right now. Well from what I have seen it is just a formality at this point that Stanley (and all transfers) will become eligible on or before the 16th.

We were hot but honestly it might not be such a bad thing given the BE knew and prepared for this sort of thing happening and there should be plenty of time to make games up. That is why the schedule wasnt released for pas this month.

Am I correct in assuming Stanley has been fully available for practice? Any word on what he’s looked like there? I agree, another big body come BE play seems like a great idea!

[X-band '01]

As long as Kunkel was able to practice, Stanley should have been able to do likewise.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Am I correct in assuming Stanley has been fully available for practice? Any word on what he’s looked like there? I agree, another big body come BE play seems like a great idea!

Yeah Stanley and Kunkel were both practicing.

Havent heard what Stanley has looked like. I do remember seeing Steele say that Kunkel had been doing only scout team because the other guys needed the reps. So I assume the same for Stanley. Now I guess that means to some extent that would take a little catching up but as far as being in hsape from having practiced etc I think he should be good.

[xu82]

Yeah Stanley and Kunkel were both practicing.

Havent heard what Stanley has looked like. I do remember seeing Steele say that Kunkel had been doing only scout team because the other guys needed the reps. So I assume the same for Stanley. Now I guess that means to some extent that would take a little catching up but as far as being in hsape from having practiced etc I think he should be good.

Maybe the upside of that would be he’s going against out first team guys, getting challenged and growing from the experience.

[XUBison]

Unfortunately the only negative result of getting COVID isn't death. It isn't 100% fine or dead. So your premise is flawed.

Ahhh, perpetual boners everywhere. A true dystopia.

[GIMMFD]

Negative test on day 7 for everyone clears them too. So realistically the timeline will be 7 days assuming no further widespread positive tests interim.

Sorry I misread the ICU part... long day. Maybe I have covid

Lol I could be wrong, that's just what they told us on a conference call as Florida is working on rolling out their allotted dosages, I also glossed over the part that the exception in the ICU also requires someone to be trach'd, I actually haven't checked the CDC website. Trust me, long days are going on for everyone brotha, stay safe!

[XUGRAD80]

I agree with you. You're right. My post was meant to be a humorous use of sarcasm. The problem is, outside of the late Don Rickles, sarcasm isn't really that humorous. And, there were a bunch of comedians who didn't rely on sarcasm who were quite funny; funnier than Rickles. So, yes, let the players decide.

Sorry, missed the sarcasm in your post. Usually when people ask me if I’m fu***ng nuts, they are being serious. :spaz:

[bjf123]

I agree with you. You're right. My post was meant to be a humorous use of sarcasm. The problem is, outside of the late Don Rickles, sarcasm isn't really that humorous.

Sarcasm is always funny, ya hockey puck! (those old enough to have seen Don Rickles perform get the reference)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[xukeith]

Do we know how X is testing staff and players?
Does all staff and players test themselves before entering Cintas?
I am just curious.

[jhelmes37]

Unfortunately the only negative result of getting COVID isn't death. It isn't 100% fine or dead. So your premise is flawed.

They're more than welcome to sit out if they want. They're adults. Have them sign an NDA or something. Discuss the matter with their parents and make the best decision for themselves.

Somewhere along the lines, we went from having personal responsibility and choice to being deathly afraid of everything.

I know I'm in the minority, but my opinion is each person should assess the risk and decide for themselves if they're willing to take it. If not, be scared. If so, get on with it - live your life.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Do we know how X is testing staff and players?
Does all staff and players test themselves before entering Cintas?
I am just curious.

I think from what I remember hearing was they were tested several times a week, not daily. No positive though.

[D-West & PO-Z]

They're more than welcome to sit out if they want. They're adults. Have them sign an NDA or something. Discuss the matter with their parents and make the best decision for themselves.

Somewhere along the lines, we went from having personal responsibility and choice to being deathly afraid of everything.

I know I'm in the minority, but my opinion is each person should assess the risk and decide for themselves if they're willing to take it. If not, be scared. If so, get on with it - live your life.

I was only replying to your assertion that if they get sick they get sick and that basically there are no consequences for them because there is essentially a 0% chance they die.

Had nothing to do with whether they should or should not be playing. As someone in healthcare who has seen the other effects COVID can have on someone (even young healthy people who recover) it is just frustrating to see this idea thrown out all the time that "hey they wont die, so no big deal", as if there are no other complications from COVID than death.

[XUGRAD80]

I think that a question that needs to be answered is, are the players safer or in more danger by trying to complete the season? Or, would they be safer if the season was shut down?

Of course, neither can be really proven at this point. There’s just not enough data to determine that yet. However, looking at the numbers for the general student population v sports teams so far, there is an argument that can be made that they are actually safer when staying together as a team. That there is less chance of exposure to any of the group when their movement is controlled. Can that control of movement still occur when the season is shut down and the players time is no longer so structured?

The Ivy League shut down their autumn season sports. I’d be interested to see what the rate of infection for the players at those schools has been, and to compare that to the student body as a whole.

[GIMMFD]

I think from what I remember hearing was they were tested several times a week, not daily. No positive though.

I'm assuming they probably just run the rapid test 3x a week, and if one of those runs positive, they confirm with a PCR test since the rapid is a little less accurate, but probably still begin quarantine rules immediately after the rapid test until the confirmatory PCR is back. I could also just be talking out of my ass here, but the rapid doesn't go as deep as the PCR test (still hurts and tears ya up, but man the amount of times I've had to get PCR'd, I'm almost positive half of my brain has the swab cotton stuck on it.


I was only replying to your assertion that if they get sick they get sick and that basically there are no consequences for them because there is essentially a 0% chance they die.

Had nothing to do with whether they should or should not be playing. As someone in healthcare who has seen the other effects COVID can have on someone (even young healthy people who recover) it is just frustrating to see this idea thrown out all the time that "hey they wont die, so no big deal", as if there are no other complications from COVID than death.

To the last part of that, yup, it's frustrating as hell, but unfortunately a lot of people without loved ones in health care, or are in health care right now, really don't have anything to reference COVID to other than death, all the graphics, deaths. etc. Perspective for people in health care that stroll through an ICU currently is seeing a bunch of people on ventilators, having to run all kinds of tests to rule out severe conditions due to elevated D-Dimers from the coagulopathy, etc. etc. You're completely right, don't get me wrong, but this is what I tell myself to try to stay even keeled.

[TUclutch]

I was a little surprised he touched people. He shook a couple hands and took a couple pictures.

Honestly makes me think hes probably already had it so he isnt worried about getting it.

Seeing as this isn’t how it’s spread, high fives snd fist bumps shouldn’t be surprising. You have to be exposed to someone for 10-15 minutes in close proximity in order to get exposed to enough of the particles needed to catch the virus. He wasn’t around anyone even close to that long.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Seeing as this isn’t how it’s spread, high fives snd fist bumps shouldn’t be surprising. You have to be exposed to someone for 10-15 minutes in close proximity in order to get exposed to enough of the particles needed to catch the virus. He wasn’t around anyone even close to that long.

That isn't true. You absolutely can spread it through handshakes, high fives. Steele did one of those high five bring it in chest bumps with one of the guys. That surprised me.

The 15 minute thing is correct when determining if someone had an exposure but its not a requirement to catch COVID.

Again at the time I was a little surprised he went but didn't think much of it. I was again a little surprised he touched hands with people as well but again I wasn't hollering about it.

Again my guess is he's already had it and had less concerns about it.

[wny08]

I think that a question that needs to be answered is, are the players safer or in more danger by trying to complete the season? Or, would they be safer if the season was shut down?

Of course, neither can be really proven at this point. There’s just not enough data to determine that yet. However, looking at the numbers for the general student population v sports teams so far, there is an argument that can be made that they are actually safer when staying together as a team. That there is less chance of exposure to any of the group when their movement is controlled. Can that control of movement still occur when the season is shut down and the players time is no longer so structured?

The Ivy League shut down their autumn season sports. I’d be interested to see what the rate of infection for the players at those schools has been, and to compare that to the student body as a whole.

Well, your premise is completely flawed. The risks have to do with creating more community spread of the virus, not just the safety of the players and people around the bball program. Of course it is higher risk to the wider community when basketball practices and games to take place, as those are potential spreader events. You can take extra precautions to manage these risks reasonably well, but there is no such thing as a safe bball team "bubble" unless they are in a literal bubble like the NBA.

[wny08]

They're more than welcome to sit out if they want. They're adults. Have them sign an NDA or something. Discuss the matter with their parents and make the best decision for themselves.

Somewhere along the lines, we went from having personal responsibility and choice to being deathly afraid of everything.

I know I'm in the minority, but my opinion is each person should assess the risk and decide for themselves if they're willing to take it. If not, be scared. If so, get on with it - live your life.

Your attitude is unfortunately quite prevalent in our society. It is why my wife has to be extra stressed out about her healthcare job at a hospital, and why my kindergartener is having a horrible school year because he can't be in school. Your attitude affects MY FAMILY. It's because millions of people are making selfish choices on a daily basis that compromise safety for the rest of us. Your "give me liberty or give me death" attitude has consequences that affect the rest of us. I would think that if you have a degree from Xavier, you should understand the ethical consequences of this toxic attitude. Tone down the bullshit "personal choice" conservative rhetoric, please.

[XUGRAD80]

Well, your premise is completely flawed. The risks have to do with creating more community spread of the virus, not just the safety of the players and people around the bball program. Of course it is higher risk to the wider community when basketball practices and games to take place, as those are potential spreader events. You can take extra precautions to manage these risks reasonably well, but there is no such thing as a safe bball team "bubble" unless they are in a literal bubble like the NBA.

My premise is NOT flawed when the reasoning given for wanting to shut down the season is the safety of the PLAYERS. I haven’t heard a single proponent of shutting down college sports say that it must be done to increase the safety of SOCIETY. What you say may be true in regards to any group gathering possibly being a spreader event. But that’s not the reason being given for the Ivy League shutting down, or by Coach K and others saying shut down the season. The players aren’t going into individual quarantine in order to keep the virus from spreading outside the team. Players aren’t opting out in order to do something for society.

My question is directed exactly at the premise that they should shut down the season for the safety of the PLAYERS.

Your point would be that they should possibly shut down the season for the safety of SOCIETY outside of the team bubble. That’s a whole different discussion.

[Xville]

Your attitude is unfortunately quite prevalent in our society. It is why my wife has to be extra stressed out about her healthcare job at a hospital, and why my kindergartener is having a horrible school year because he can't be in school. Your attitude affects MY FAMILY. It's because millions of people are making selfish choices on a daily basis that compromise safety for the rest of us. Your "give me liberty or give me death" attitude has consequences that affect the rest of us. I would think that if you have a degree from Xavier, you should understand the ethical consequences of this toxic attitude. Tone down the bullshit "personal choice" conservative rhetoric, please.

Please tone down the victimhood rhetoric bs please.

[XUGRAD80]

Your attitude is unfortunately quite prevalent in our society. It is why my wife has to be extra stressed out about her healthcare job at a hospital, and why my kindergartener is having a horrible school year because he can't be in school. Your attitude affects MY FAMILY. It's because millions of people are making selfish choices on a daily basis that compromise safety for the rest of us. Your "give me liberty or give me death" attitude has consequences that affect the rest of us. I would think that if you have a degree from Xavier, you should understand the ethical consequences of this toxic attitude. Tone down the bullshit "personal choice" conservative rhetoric, please.

Well, my kindergarten grandson is having a horrible school year because of the attitude of not allowing local individuals to make decisions, but having those decisions be mandated on a state level. So government officials making selfish choices on a daily basis effects many many more than his or my personal choices. There are consequences to EVERY decision, and don’t try to pull the holier than thou card either. You’re worried about YOUR FAMILY first and foremost. You don’t like it that you wife is under greater stress and that your child is have a bad year in school. Well I don’t like it that my grandkids are having a horrible year in school because a Governor that’s never even been outside of the state capital in the last 9 months, and won’t listen to anyone other than a few doctor friends, has basically shut our complete state down. That he treats counties with 2500 people the same way he treats counties with 750,000 people. That he has put 2/3rds of the family restaurants in the state out of business. We have lost 200,000 people over this pandemic. He’s put that many out of work just in the restaurant business. Your wife is stressed by her work? I’m not surprised. Everyone is stressed. My wife is stressed in her job because of the mandates. She has had to shut down dozens of studios across the country and lay off hundreds of workers, because of the mandates. These are real people, with real families, and many of them are her personal friends. People she has worked with for decades in some cases. There’s a pretty good chance that come the 1st of the year her company will be going out of business. Just a few years ago it was the largest employee owned company in the country. But they’ve already shut down one division permanently, closed another division that dealt with schools, and have cut her division down to the bare bones. All because of the government mandates. So you see, YOUR attitude doesn’t just effect YOUR FAMILY. An attitude like yours also effects society as a whole. It has consequences to MY FAMILY too.

[Xville]

Well, my kindergarten grandson is having a horrible school year because of the attitude of not allowing local individuals to make decisions, but having those decisions be mandated on a state level. So government officials making selfish choices on a daily basis effects many many more than his or my personal choices. There are consequences to EVERY decision, and don’t try to pull the holier than thou card either. You’re worried about YOUR FAMILY first and foremost. You don’t like it that you wife is under greater stress and that your child is have a bad year in school. Well I don’t like it that my grandkids are having a horrible year in school because a Governor that’s never even been outside of the state capital in the last 9 months, and won’t listen to anyone other than a few doctor friends, has basically shut our complete state down. That he treats counties with 2500 people the same way he treats counties with 750,000 people. That he has put 2/3rds of the family restaurants in the state out of business. We have lost 200,000 people over this pandemic. He’s put that many out of work just in the restaurant business. Your wife is stressed by her work? I’m not surprised. Everyone is stressed. My wife is stressed in her job because of the mandates. She has had to shut down dozens of studios across the country and lay off hundreds of workers, because of the mandates. These are real people, with real families, and many of them are her personal friends. People she has worked with for decades in some cases. There’s a pretty good chance that come the 1st of the year her company will be going out of business. Just a few years ago it was the largest employee owned company in the country. But they’ve already shut down one division permanently, closed another division that dealt with schools, and have cut her division down to the bare bones. All because of the government mandates. So you see, YOUR attitude doesn’t just effect YOUR FAMILY. An attitude like yours also effects society as a whole. It has consequences to MY FAMILY too.

+1000000

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Your attitude is unfortunately quite prevalent in our society. It is why my wife has to be extra stressed out about her healthcare job at a hospital, and why my kindergartener is having a horrible school year because he can't be in school. Your attitude affects MY FAMILY. It's because millions of people are making selfish choices on a daily basis that compromise safety for the rest of us. Your "give me liberty or give me death" attitude has consequences that affect the rest of us. I would think that if you have a degree from Xavier, you should understand the ethical consequences of this toxic attitude. Tone down the bullshit "personal choice" conservative rhetoric, please.

This thread has detoured significantly but that change was driven by this pandemic and the growing national divide in how to address it. So, let's continue this discussion.

Those millions you reference as "selfish" are, in fact, challenging the medical tyranny you advocate. And. they are doing so based on science and facts. I concur that COVID is serious and, for those in nursing homes or with a serious pre-existing condition, it can be deadly. For many of the rest of us, it may be little more than an inconvenience. I have a couple of friends, my age, who survived COVID but with serious after-effects. So, I know this is not a hoax. Yet, I also know of several of my wife's nephews + nieces (she is one of fifteen, so there are a BUNCH of them) who have experienced false positive results from COVID testing. I wonder, when this is all behind us, what we find about the accuracy of those tests and the resulting diagnosis.

For me, the longer this goes on, the less confidence I have in the experts, including those, like Dr. Fauci, who have demonstrated a lack of understanding about the prevention of this virus and its spread through their contradictory statements.

The questioning of "expert opinions" like those you advocate has become more prevalent as this situation has progressed. What you call "give me liberty or give me death" minimizes a remarkable lack of confidence, by the millions you reference, in what some of our leaders are telling us. Put a simpler way, we no longer believe you. Will the extraordinary economic damage to small business, the catastrophic intellectual and emotional damage to youth from being held out of school and the increasing desperation among the poor and disenfranchised be worth it to those, like you, who push the lockdown? To me, the costs of these policies long ago exceeded the marginal benefit. And, they are costs that, many like you, have completely and conveniently ignored as if they simply don't exist.

[GoMuskies]

My kids are having a fantastic school year. They appreciate physically being in school more than ever. Sorry for those of you who live where that is not possible.

[Xville]

This thread has detoured significantly but that change was driven by this pandemic and the growing national divide in how to address it. So, let's continue this discussion.

Those millions you reference as "selfish" are, in fact, challenging the medical tyranny you advocate. And. they are doing so based on science and facts. I concur that COVID is serious and, for those in nursing homes or with a serious pre-existing condition, it can be deadly. For many of the rest of us, it may be little more than an inconvenience. I have a couple of friends, my age, who survived COVID but with serious after-effects. So, I know this is not a hoax. Yet, I also know of several of my wife's nephews + nieces (she is one of fifteen, so there are a BUNCH of them) who have experienced false positive results from COVID testing. I wonder, when this is all behind us, what we find about the accuracy of those tests and the resulting diagnosis.

For me, the longer this goes on, the less confidence I have in the experts, including those, like Dr. Fauci, who have demonstrated a lack of understanding about the prevention of this virus and its spread through their contradictory statements.

The questioning of "expert opinions" like those you advocate has become more prevalent as this situation has progressed. What you call "give me liberty or give me death" minimizes a remarkable lack of confidence, by the millions you reference, in what some of our leaders are telling us. Put a simpler way, we no longer believe you. Will the extraordinary economic damage to small business, the catastrophic intellectual and emotional damage to youth from being held out of school and the increasing desperation among the poor and disenfranchised be worth it to those, like you, who push the lockdown? To me, the costs of these policies long ago exceeded the marginal benefit. And, they are costs that, many like you, have completely and conveniently ignored as if they simply don't exist.

Agree with most of this, and is a significant reason it pisses me off so much when people are not going to get a vaccine because of their "feelings." I want to "get back to normal" as quickly and as much as possible. I'm sick of being at home day after day after day, and pretty much everything about this pandemic, including the word, pandemic. So, I'm going to trust an approved vaccine, and not think it is some government 1984 conspiracy like some whack a doodles on here think it is.

[jhelmes37]

Your attitude is unfortunately quite prevalent in our society. It is why my wife has to be extra stressed out about her healthcare job at a hospital, and why my kindergartener is having a horrible school year because he can't be in school. Your attitude affects MY FAMILY. It's because millions of people are making selfish choices on a daily basis that compromise safety for the rest of us. Your "give me liberty or give me death" attitude has consequences that affect the rest of us. I would think that if you have a degree from Xavier, you should understand the ethical consequences of this toxic attitude. Tone down the bullshit "personal choice" conservative rhetoric, please.

I love getting attacked for having an opinion.

Do you feel better now? Morally superior?

I'm following all the rules and I never once said that I wasn't. You can stop your virtue signaling bullshit.

While you think you're saving the world, all you're doing is pissing people off by attacking them, which makes them double down on their stance...

[markchal]

don't we have a thread for the people that don't get enough of the covid back and forth on FB?

Can we just keep complaining about how much it sucks we can't watch our team rain threes all over the rest of the BE?

I'm all for the BE Bubble after the holiday. Let kids do class remotely, and let's make sure the schools get that FS1 money.

[X-band '01]

don't we have a thread for the people that don't get enough of the covid back and forth on FB?



The whole place has become fucking Romper Room because of at least 2 posters and about 6 or 7 others that keep fueling that fire. I just might decide to NOT subscribe here until those threads get shut down.

[94GRAD]

The whole place has become fucking Romper Room because of at least 2 posters and about 6 or 7 others that keep fueling that fire. I just might decide to NOT subscribe here until those threads get shut down.

How about you just not read the thread?

[chico]

How about you just not read the thread?

The problem with that is threads (like this one) that get hijacked. You click expecting a discussion about our postponed games and you get more political BS. X-band has a legitimate point.

[XUGRAD80]

If I’ve broken any forum rules with any of my posts, first I apologize. Second, I would hope that the administration and moderators would let me know that I have. However, I have tried to remain adult in my statements and to not get personal. We all have a common interest here...Xavier Basketball. We are all fans of the program. But that doesn’t mean we will ever agree on things we discuss. IMO, nothing that touches on the program and its players, other than personal items, should be off-limits. How the pandemic effects the team is part of that discussion. How the pandemic effects the college basketball season is certainly part of that discussion too, IMO. I allowed another to take my thoughts away from that subject and get on the broader subject of how it has effected society. I then made a comment on his post, which had nothing to do with Xavier BB, and I apologize for that.

[94GRAD]

The problem with that is threads (like this one) that get hijacked. You click expecting a discussion about our postponed games and you get more political BS. X-band has a legitimate point.

I read it as he has a problem with people posting in the Covid or Politics threads

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Discussions on this board change direction and morph into something else just like those that occur outside of the board. It happens. So, why not just steer your comments back toward the intended topic. But, my God, please, please don't leave this board. No, not the nuclear option. Please!

So, what I'm still interested in regarding Providence is this. I like Cooley. I think he has generally been successful in getting his teams to peak at the end of the season. They always seem to be a tough out come conference and NCAA tournament time. After witnessing the supernova Muskies against Oklahoma, I wonder how Cooley was game planning for us. I think, if there is a key on such a balanced team, it is ZFree. So, were I trying to strategize how to play X and, assuming I had the horsepower, I'd attack the paint. I think that could neutralize Freemantle by potentially getting him in foul trouble or, if he chose to play light defense in order to avoid fouling, allow for a lot of inside scoring. Not sure how the last game would have played out if Oklahoma had been a better defensive team.

The good coaches will figure this team out just not sure what adjustments we will see.

[Muskie in dayton]

I opened this thread hoping for an update - any more team cases? Updates on the next game? At first I thought I inadvertently opened the Covid-19 thread. Then after I read further, I thought I opened Musketeer Madness. Yeah, that bad.

So, are there any updates? I’m really looking forward to some more diversions.

[jhelmes37]

I opened this thread hoping for an update - any more team cases? Updates on the next game? At first I thought I inadvertently opened the Covid-19 thread. Then after I read further, I thought I opened Musketeer Madness. Yeah, that bad.

So, are there any updates? I’m really looking forward to some more diversions.

Nope. There won’t be until they decide if they’ll play on Friday. Which seems unlikely. That’s the part that really sucks. The whole team is literally sitting in individual dorms doing nothing.

Nothing to report.

[XUGRAD80]

This is probably the info you need to read...

Check out this article from Cincinnati.com:

Xavier men's basketball on pause: Here's what happens next after a positive COVID-19 test

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2020/12/12/xavier-basketball-whats-next-after-musketeers-covid-19-pause/3896758001/

[D-West & PO-Z]

Discussions on this board change direction and morph into something else just like those that occur outside of the board. It happens. So, why not just steer your comments back toward the intended topic. But, my God, please, please don't leave this board. No, not the nuclear option. Please!

So, what I'm still interested in regarding Providence is this. I like Cooley. I think he has generally been successful in getting his teams to peak at the end of the season. They always seem to be a tough out come conference and NCAA tournament time. After witnessing the supernova Muskies against Oklahoma, I wonder how Cooley was game planning for us. I think, if there is a key on such a balanced team, it is ZFree. So, were I trying to strategize how to play X and, assuming I had the horsepower, I'd attack the paint. I think that could neutralize Freemantle by potentially getting him in foul trouble or, if he chose to play light defense in order to avoid fouling, allow for a lot of inside scoring. Not sure how the last game would have played out if Oklahoma had been a better defensive team.

The good coaches will figure this team out just not sure what adjustments we will see.

Cooley is overrated imo, in part because he seems like such a likeable guy.

I believe he has only won one NCAA tourney game in his time at Providence. With some of the talent they have that seems criminal to me. He is kind of along the lines of Willard. Both seem like solid coaches who have had some really good talent, have performed well in the BE and especially in the BE tournament, but then shit the bed in the NCAA tourney.

I know the NCAA tourney can be a crapshoot sometimes but eventually you have to produce some results.

[Lloyd Braun]

Update: Friday’s game is postponed. Next Sunday vs Marquette is anticipated start.

https://twitter.com/xaviermbb/status/1338280046784638984?s=21

[STL_XUfan]

Providence will now play DePaul on Thursday. It will be the first game of the year for DePaul.

[AviatorX]

Cooley is overrated imo, in part because he seems like such a likeable guy.

I believe he has only won one NCAA tourney game in his time at Providence. With some of the talent they have that seems criminal to me. He is kind of along the lines of Willard. Both seem like solid coaches who have had some really good talent, have performed well in the BE and especially in the BE tournament, but then shit the bed in the NCAA tourney.

I know the NCAA tourney can be a crapshoot sometimes but eventually you have to produce some results.

Will never understand how that 2016 Seton Hall group got drilled in the first round by a very mediocre 11 seed Gonzaga.

[nuts4xu]

The problem with that is threads (like this one) that get hijacked.

TITTIES!!!!!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fupicsz.com%2Fsexy-bikini-models-topless.html&psig=AOvVaw09aM9tcz-8cF3DsHNhqbBC&ust=1608045148511000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCOj34ZPhze0CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAI

[chico]

I read it as he has a problem with people posting in the Covid or Politics threads

Fair point. I was thinking since he posted it in this thread he was talking about non-political ones.

[surfxu]

So, are there any updates? I’m really looking forward to some more diversions.

Travis has indicated that as of yesterday (I believe it was yesterday) there had been no other positives. Only one player affected. Sounds like the player is asymptomatic. If things stay that way I believe the rest of the team can start practice again either Friday or Saturday. If the affected player stays asymptomatic and tests negative on day 7 (Friday) then it's a 7 day period of cardio testing to ensure no potential damage before returning to the team.

Of course this is speculation on my behalf... but apparently Keyontae Johnson, who was the Florida player that collapsed on the court during the FSU/FL game on Saturday, previously had COVID. I don't believe they've said what caused the collapse, but if it is related then that is what the extra week of monitoring and testing is hoping to reveal before putting a player back onto the court.

Hope nothing gets worse... and of course prayers out to Keyontae. Scary stuff right there.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Travis has indicated that as of yesterday (I believe it was yesterday) there had been no other positives. Only one player affected. Sounds like the player is asymptomatic. If things stay that way I believe the rest of the team can start practice again either Friday or Saturday. If the affected player stays asymptomatic and tests negative on day 7 (Friday) then it's a 7 day period of cardio testing to ensure no potential damage before returning to the team.

Of course this is speculation on my behalf... but apparently Keyontae Johnson, who was the Florida player that collapsed on the court during the FSU/FL game on Saturday, previously had COVID. I don't believe they've said what caused the collapse, but if it is related then that is what the extra week of monitoring and testing is hoping to reveal before putting a player back onto the court.

Hope nothing gets worse... and of course prayers out to Keyontae. Scary stuff right there.

Thanks for the info. I knew that player had to be out longer for cardiac testing or monitoring but I wasn't sure for how long. So whoever the positive player is will miss at least our first 2 BE games. Never hope it is anyone but hoping it isnt one of our top contributors.

[xavierj]

Travis has indicated that as of yesterday (I believe it was yesterday) there had been no other positives. Only one player affected. Sounds like the player is asymptomatic. If things stay that way I believe the rest of the team can start practice again either Friday or Saturday. If the affected player stays asymptomatic and tests negative on day 7 (Friday) then it's a 7 day period of cardio testing to ensure no potential damage before returning to the team.

Of course this is speculation on my behalf... but apparently Keyontae Johnson, who was the Florida player that collapsed on the court during the FSU/FL game on Saturday, previously had COVID. I don't believe they've said what caused the collapse, but if it is related then that is what the extra week of monitoring and testing is hoping to reveal before putting a player back onto the court.

Hope nothing gets worse... and of course prayers out to Keyontae. Scary stuff right there.

If the guy from Florida tested positive for Covid at any time he would have then had his heart tested. I am
Sure they made sure the heart was ok before clearing him to play. Everyone who is playing college sports and has tested positive must get the heart checked out. The crazy thing is through there are probably a ton of athletes who have had covid and never tested positive so therefore never have had the heart checked. I don’t think covid is why the kid from Florida collapsed.

[paulxu]

It does seem in sports that when someone collapses, often the reason like an enlarged heart or something is the cause.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/athletes-and-enlarged-hearts/

[D-West & PO-Z]

It does seem in sports that when someone collapses, often the reason like an enlarged heart or something is the cause.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/athletes-and-enlarged-hearts/

Yeah my guess would be that its cardiac related why he collapsed. Now if that is related to his having had COVID previously who knows. Not sure if the doc's would be able to connect it or not. Maybe.

You would think though that any issues with an enlarged heart would have been captured on the cardiac monitoring or evaluation after having had CVOID. But again I am not sure what all is involved with that and if it would have caught something like that?

[nuts4xu]

I believe if Johnson had heart issues after his COVID case, the protocol is no activity for 3-6 months. He was past the 6 month mark. He is now in a medically induced coma.

When I watched the clip of Johnson collapsing, it reminded me of when Hank Gathers died the floor.

[surfxu]

Not to derail this thread, but it kind of sounds like Johnson is out of a medically induced coma and per a U of FL release he is responding to simple commands. Potential good news there. Sorry to get this off topic. My bad. Back to MBB... Looking forward returning to action on Sunday. Til then I'll just rewatch the OK and uc games to hold off the withdrawal symptoms.

[GIMMFD]

I believe if Johnson had heart issues after his COVID case, the protocol is no activity for 3-6 months. He was past the 6 month mark. He is now in a medically induced coma.

When I watched the clip of Johnson collapsing, it reminded me of when Hank Gathers died the floor.

Hank Gathers died of a condition called hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, which is the most common cause of sudden cardiac death in young athletes, there's been 5-6 cases (2 soccer players, a few basketball players, etc.) where it's caused them to collapse. It's easy to miss because unless you do a 2D-Echocardiogram (which you really wouldn't do unless someone showed signs since you have to scope someone's throat), and the most common type basically leads to an outflow obstruction of blood from your heart to your extremities; I however don't think it's that because usually that happens at "peak exertion," while in this case Johnson finished the alley oop and was going to celebrate with teammates (I thought it was HCM at first like you, until I realized this fact), so he wasn't exerting himself like crazy, I think it probably was a conduction problem causing an arrhythmia or something, which very well could be from myocarditis secondary to COVID, but obviously I haven't seen the labs or the work-up to say for sure... scary shit for sure though, I really hope he's alright and pulls through. Sorry to get off topic lol.

[XU20]

If the guy from Florida tested positive for Covid at any time he would have then had his heart tested. I am
Sure they made sure the heart was ok before clearing him to play. Everyone who is playing college sports and has tested positive must get the heart checked out. The crazy thing is through there are probably a ton of athletes who have had covid and never tested positive so therefore never have had the heart checked. I don’t think covid is why the kid from Florida collapsed.

“Everyone who is playing college sports and has tested positive must get the heart checked out.” Is incorrect. I am currently a college athlete at the Division 2 level, athletes that test positive and are asymptomatic throughout their duration of having COVID are not required by the NCAA to get their heart checked. I tested positive in October, was asymptotic, and was not required to get checked.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Lloyd Braun]

“Everyone who is playing college sports and has tested positive must get the heart checked out.” Is incorrect. I am currently a college athlete at the Division 2 level, athletes that test positive and are asymptomatic throughout their duration of having COVID are not required by the NCAA to get their heart checked. I tested positive in October, was asymptotic, and was not required to get checked.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It’s not a requirement but a recommendation from sports medicine experts and organizations to do thorough cardiac testing on every athlete post-covid. You probably should have had EKG, echo, labs etc.
I would be happy to expand on that testing/recommendation because that is part of my routine day to order these tests on athletes but I don’t want to completely derail the thread :)

[XU '11]

Here are the NCAA's recommendations:

Cardiac and Exercise Considerations for Resumption of Exercise After COVID-19 Infection or Quarantine

The COVID-19 virus can potentially negatively impact any endothelial structure, including
the heart and lungs, thereby posing a potential risk to individuals who return to exercise
post-infection. Although preliminary data suggested that athletes with prior COVID-19
infection should undergo cardiac screening, follow-up publications have
recommended a tiered approach based on severity of symptoms.

Based on emerging evidence, a group of experts from the American Medical Society for
Sports Medicine and the American College of Cardiology have developed an algorithm of
considerations and recommendations related to pre-participation cardiac screening,
testing and exercise, which is available on the AMSSM website.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/ssi/COVID/SSI_ResocializationDevelopingStandardsSecondEditio n.pdf (page 13)

And here's the algorithm for who should get cardiac screening. Basically those who have a fever.
https://www.amssm.org/Content/pdf-files/COVID19/Nov03_2020NCAA-COVID-19-Algorithm.pdf

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hank Gathers died of a condition called hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, which is the most common cause of sudden cardiac death in young athletes, there's been 5-6 cases (2 soccer players, a few basketball players, etc.) where it's caused them to collapse. It's easy to miss because unless you do a 2D-Echocardiogram (which you really wouldn't do unless someone showed signs since you have to scope someone's throat), and the most common type basically leads to an outflow obstruction of blood from your heart to your extremities; I however don't think it's that because usually that happens at "peak exertion," while in this case Johnson finished the alley oop and was going to celebrate with teammates (I thought it was HCM at first like you, until I realized this fact), so he wasn't exerting himself like crazy, I think it probably was a conduction problem causing an arrhythmia or something, which very well could be from myocarditis secondary to COVID, but obviously I haven't seen the labs or the work-up to say for sure... scary shit for sure though, I really hope he's alright and pulls through. Sorry to get off topic lol.

Thanks for the explanation!

[GIMMFD]

Thanks for the explanation!

No problem! It's genetic mainly, really shitty because like the myocardial muscle fibers are a little disorganized and deranged and though leads to changes these guys are gonna be completely asymptomatic, until boom. Sudden cardiac death. Scary shit, and honestly miserable, I think Reggie Lewis might have been the only athlete I know off the top of my head diagnosed with it, without dying (think he had an almost pass out moment in a work out or something, which even before that almost pass out they actually did a cardiac stress test on him like 2 days prior that was completely normal)

[Lloyd Braun]

Here are the NCAA's recommendations:

Cardiac and Exercise Considerations for Resumption of Exercise After COVID-19 Infection or Quarantine

The COVID-19 virus can potentially negatively impact any endothelial structure, including
the heart and lungs, thereby posing a potential risk to individuals who return to exercise
post-infection. Although preliminary data suggested that athletes with prior COVID-19
infection should undergo cardiac screening, follow-up publications have
recommended a tiered approach based on severity of symptoms.

Based on emerging evidence, a group of experts from the American Medical Society for
Sports Medicine and the American College of Cardiology have developed an algorithm of
considerations and recommendations related to pre-participation cardiac screening,
testing and exercise, which is available on the AMSSM website.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/ssi/COVID/SSI_ResocializationDevelopingStandardsSecondEditio n.pdf (page 13)

And here's the algorithm for who should get cardiac screening. Basically those who have a fever.
https://www.amssm.org/Content/pdf-files/COVID19/Nov03_2020NCAA-COVID-19-Algorithm.pdf

This is the good data!

Ask your doctor if they’ve ever ordered a cardiac MRI... it’s not a common test at all but the last 6 months have been crazy.