Game Thread: Xavier vs. Tennessee Tech (12/2/2020)

[paulxu]

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THE MATCHUP

XAVIER UNIVERSITY MUSKETEERS (4-0, 0-0 BIG EAST)
TENNESSEE TECH GOLDEN EAGLES (0-2, 0-0 OHIO VALLEY)
WEDNESDAY, DEC. 2, 2020 AT 7 P.M. ET
CINTAS CENTER IN CINCINNATI, OHIO

TV, RADIO & LIVE STATS

Television: FS1 with play-by-play from Eric Collins and analysis from Steve Lavin.
Radio: 55KRC-AM with play-by-play from XU Hall of Famer and former Musketeer standout Joe Sunderman ('79). Analysis will be provided by Xavier Hall of Famer and XU all-time leading scorer Byron Larkin ('88). Broadcast will also be available on Sirius XM 388 and Internet channel 978.
Live Stats: Media stats at Statbroadcast.com and fan stats at GoXavier.com.

[xu82]

I hope this does not have to test my heart again.....

[GoMuskies]

X -22.5 over the winless Golden Eagles.

[UCGRAD4X]

X -22.5 over the winless Golden Eagles.

That seems like an amazing number considering how X has fared against the spread so far. What does that say about how Vegas really feels about the Golden Eagles?

[UCGRAD4X]

Is that really the official logo for TTU? I kinda like it for some reason.

[Lloyd Braun]

That seems like an amazing number considering how X has fared against the spread so far. What does that say about how Vegas really feels about the Golden Eagles?

They are bad. IU was favored by 25.5 and won by 40. As bad as X has been ATS, there is evidence of crushing a bad team. The line seems appropriate to me, and I thought EKU was pretty high. Tonight we roll...

[American X]

I imagine this will be more like the Oakland game than the other three games.

Work on limiting turnovers & running an actual offense in preparation for the Crosstown Shoutout and I'm happy.

[X-band '01]

This team will find a way to win by single digits and cause the pom-pom wavers to convince us that TT will finish in the top half of the OVC.

[Masterofreality]

Working to see if my Sources can get me any info on updates for CJ & Colby.

[bobbiemcgee]

Working to see if my Sources can get me any info on updates for CJ & Colby.

Man, it would be great if they could play.

[Masterofreality]

Working to see if my Sources can get me any info on updates for CJ & Colby.

All of Xavier is Lip “Zipped Up”.
Guess we’ll see in warmups.

[Lloyd Braun]

My source says they still weren’t cleared to play as of this morning and it’s pretty unlikely they’ll play today. As previously mentioned though anything nowadays is fluid situation. So basically no new info but I wouldn’t have my heart set on seeing them suit up.

[boozehound]

My source says they still weren’t cleared to play as of this morning and it’s pretty unlikely they’ll play today. As previously mentioned though anything nowadays is fluid situation. So basically no new info but I wouldn’t have my heart set on seeing them suit up.

It's really going to make this a crazy season once multiple teams start having key players missing weeks of games. It will be hard to evaluate who is good and who isn't.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wonder how much red tape is around the BE changing their policy once the CDC decided to change theirs.

The other factor here is the CDC is openly saying a 14 day quarantine is still the best and nothing with the science has changed but they are hoping compliance is better with a shorter quarantine. So the BE may very well look at the new update and decide that it is best for them and the teams to keep the 14 day rule intact.

[Xuperman]

This team will find a way to win by single digits and cause the pom-pom wavers to convince us that TT will finish in the top half of the OVC.

Who me? Not going to be able to put lipstick on that pig. However, I did just posted a very compelling case for EKU over on the game thread. I totally convinced myself they are very good.
:rant:

[drudy23]

With the current testing capabilities, 14 days is stupid. I'd argue 10 is still too long.

One week, get a negative test with no further symptoms, suit up.

[Lloyd Braun]

With the current testing capabilities, 14 days is stupid. I'd argue 10 is still too long.

One week, get a negative test with no further symptoms, suit up.

I can get on board with this and it’s likely where this is heading eventually...Which really means 8-9 days unless they can partner with a quicker turnaround testing process that pro teams utilize. Rapid tests just aren’t where they need to be to utilize them with any credence and turnaround time on PCR is likely going to be 24 hours or so.

[Lloyd Braun]

I can get on board with this and it’s likely where this is heading eventually...Which really means 8-9 days unless they can partner with a quicker turnaround testing process that pro teams utilize. Rapid tests just aren’t where they need to be to utilize them with any credence and turnaround time on PCR is likely going to be 24 hours or so.

Downside is if they test positive on day 7, it’s a 17 day isolation and may have only needed to be 14.

[Muskie91]

I was drafted in the ticket lottery :-) so I grabbed two for the game. Hopeful for the blowout but just happy to be watching in person. They even threw in a parking pass so I guess I skip Listermans pregaming.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Who me? Not going to be able to put lipstick on that pig. However, I did just posted a very compelling case for EKU over on the game thread. I totally convinced myself they are very good.
:rant:

Actually it was compelling. The EKU team I saw was athletic and very competitive. When I read your post, I understood why. A much better team than I had expected to see.

[X Factor]

Xavier rolls by 30+ tonight and we're all happy...

[xu82]

Ha! My cable description of the game says that X is outscoring opponents by 14.8 points/game. Talk about misleading!!!

[GoMuskies]

Ha! My cable description of the game says that X is outscoring opponents by 14.8 points/game. Talk about misleading!!!

We need to teach your cable company about mean, median and mode!

[bobbiemcgee]

We need to teach your cable company about mean, median and mode!

Flashback to my stats class... Flaspohler?...one of my better c's.

[xu82]

Flashback to my stats class... Flaspohler?...one of my better c's.

I probably tied you with a C. I hated stats!

My only D was with Doc Webb in calculus. He taught me to avoid the dean of a department. They always want to make it seem more complicated than it is. He might have KNOWN it, but he couldn’t TEACH it. I thought the D was very generous, The only thing I knew was how to find the classroom. I took calculus over with Easy Ike, and it felt like cheating my way to an A. I was a month in before realizing it was the exact same stuff. There is an art to teaching. (Much like coaching.) Knowing the material does NOT mean you are qualified to teach it.

[kellernr]

I want to see a lot of miles and griffin tonight. Let carter and fremantle rest up for Sunday

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[IM4X]

Completely forced shot by Scruggs... one on three with no X big near the basket- not playing like a senior

[GoMuskies]

I see we're not leading at the first TV timeout. That's not ideal.

[bjf123]

Still looking sloppy. Ugh.


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[IM4X]

Griffin has a nice stroke. He might be the most underrated player on the team.

[noteggs]

Griffin has a nice stroke. He might be the most underrated player on the team.

Yes. Carter not too far behind

[Xville]

In somewhat related news, seton hall and providence both suck

[paulxu]

Waterbug?

[Xville]

Starting to become a big nate johnson fan

[xu82]

I see we're not leading at the first TV timeout. That's not ideal.

There is something very Christian about the way we play the game.

[IM4X]

Yes. Carter not too far behind

Let’s not forget Johnson.

[paulxu]

Poor Carter and his layups. He's snake bit.

[bjf123]

Carter still has trouble with the bunnies. [emoji2357]


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[IM4X]

Yes. Carter not too far behind

I think someone Might have jinxed Carter.
missed three and two missed easy bunnies.

I just think the kid’s confidence goes up and down throughout each game. He either looks unstoppable or unable to get anything to go.

[xu82]

That Odom guy can play a little.

[DexterBailey84]

Starting to become a big nate johnson fan

Yeah he's looking like he's gonna be a baller. He's going to have some huge moments for this team before it's all said and done, IMO.

[XUGRAD80]

Up 14 a half, take it. Like the changing defenses. Free needs to come out in the 2nd half and pick it up, he appears to be mentally subdued from the expressions on his face. Might just be tired.

[noteggs]

I think someone Might have jinxed Carter.��

Seems to be my specialty!

[IM4X]

Seems to be my specialty!

Games not over. Watch him Put up 10 in the second half.

[noteggs]

Games not over. Watch him Put up 10 in the second half.

Heck, I’ll take 10 boards.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Downside is if they test positive on day 7, it’s a 17 day isolation and may have only needed to be 14.

There is a difference between quarantining due to an exposure and because of testing positive. You could have an exposure and quarantine for 13 days and on day 13 get symptoms and test positive (or even test positive without symptoms) and then you would start the positive test protocols.

[D-West & PO-Z]

With the current testing capabilities, 14 days is stupid. I'd argue 10 is still too long.

One week, get a negative test with no further symptoms, suit up.

They would need to test daily for this to really be a reality. Doubtful Xavier will be doing that.

[IM4X]

Sorry, but I really hate watching bigs taking threes when there is no other teammate near the basket.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah he's looking like he's gonna be a baller. He's going to have some huge moments for this team before it's all said and done, IMO.

Been totally surprised and excited with how good Johnson looks.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Carter looking pretty good again. Minus those 2 close misses.

[IM4X]

On another note, I love playing against teams where most players can’t seem to hit the side of a barn.

[D-West & PO-Z]

On another note, I love playing against teams where most players can’t seem to hit the side of a barn.

Def a plus!

Its a block party out there too.

[Xville]

Look better tonight obviously, but hard to judge because Tennessee tech is hot garbage

[D-West & PO-Z]

...

[IM4X]

Look better tonight obviously, but hard to judge because Tennessee tech is hot garbage

Here’s to hoping the BE has its share of hot garbage teams this year.

[Xuperman]

Unless something drastically changes....I have zero faith with this team at the charity stripe. Man, that's a huge issue.

[bobbiemcgee]

how many times does this guy say..".let the big dog eat"....doesn't he realize Odom was triple jump champ?

[xu82]

Here’s to hoping the BE has its share of hot garbage teams this year.

And here’s to hoping we are not one of them!

[Xville]

Listening to the analyst, you'd think tennessee tech is the 96 bulls

[Xville]

Zach freemantle...let the big dog eat lol

[bobbiemcgee]

Zach freemantle...let the big dog eat lol

I didn't get the part about the sticky pants on a hot day either. What?

[Xville]

Did he just say covered in a 2 dollar steak? What in the flying hell does that mean? Lol

What kind of meth did these two before the game?

[Xville]

"Lots to dream about when you look at that body" uhhhhh ok then lol

[bjf123]

Did he just say covered in a 2 dollar steak? What in the flying hell does that mean? Lol

What kind of meth did these two before the game?

Didn’t catch that, it I’m guessing “tougher” and not “covered”.


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[Xville]

Didn’t catch that, it I’m guessing “tougher” and not “covered”.


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Ahh ok lol I was really confused then he followed that up with the body comment and I lost it lol

[xu82]

Did he just say covered in a 2 dollar steak? What in the flying hell does that mean? Lol

What kind of meth did these two before the game?

I believe that was “tougher than a 2 dollar steak”, which is actually great journalism, or a Yelp review. Hard to be sure.

[D-West & PO-Z]

C'mon, finish them and widen this lead and lets leave the game feeling good going into shootout.

[xukeith]

C'mon, finish them and widen this lead and lets leave the game feeling good going into shootout.

what a breath of fresh air Nate Johnson is,

After years of subpar transfers , X looks to hit a home run.

[XUGRAD80]

Solid win. Yes the competition wasn’t that great, but they didn’t let that stop them from playing hard and executing. Outscored TT by 14 in the 1st half and by 17 in the 2nd half. On to the shootout. UC won by 12 against Lipscomb, but actually trailed most of the game.

[xu82]

what a breath of fresh air Nate Johnson is,

After years of subpar transfers , X looks to hit a home run.

Nate does look to be solid in all respects. I hope he just continues to contribute as we move into the heart of the season. It’s hard to tell what this will look like when we get into the meat of the schedule. I’m glad we’ve faced a lot of different styles.

[Xville]

Yep good solid win. Competition was crap, but for the most part, the team maintained focus and played hard. Good to see griffin get some buckets and for miles to have more than a cup of coffee.

[XUGRAD80]

X with 10 steals, 10 Blocks, and 19 assists on 29 buckets.....that’s getting it done.

Only complaint would be giving up offensive rebounds. I think that’s going to be a problem all year.

[paulxu]

Also only 8 TO's

[D-West & PO-Z]

Unless something drastically changes....I have zero faith with this team at the charity stripe. Man, that's a huge issue.

We missed 6 but 5 were missed by Freemantle. I think he will do better moving forward. Johnson, Scuggs, and Carter went a combined 9-9 from the FT line. Griffin was 1-2.

[Lloyd Braun]

There is a difference between quarantining due to an exposure and because of testing positive. You could have an exposure and quarantine for 13 days and on day 13 get symptoms and test positive (or even test positive without symptoms) and then you would start the positive test protocols.

Yea I was replying to the notion of testing those on quarantine (asymptomatic) to return to sports on day 7 instead of just letting them run out the 14 day quarantine. If they are asymptomatic and test positive then you have to add another 10 days from that date. Which is why unless you test them daily you will have a percentage of players sitting out longer than they would had they just quarantined for 14 days.

[XUGRAD80]

Unless something drastically changes....I have zero faith with this team at the charity stripe. Man, that's a huge issue.

70% at the line tonight. 77% against EKU. 74% against Toledo. 50% in the first 2 games. Have a little faith!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yea I was replying to the notion of testing those on quarantine (asymptomatic) to return to sports on day 7 instead of just letting them run out the 14 day quarantine. If they are asymptomatic and test positive then you have to add another 10 days from that date. Which is why unless you test them daily you will have a percentage of players sitting out longer than they would had they just quarantined for 14 days.

Gotcha. That could happen anyway with routine testing I guess though. I am assuming Xavier does some sort of regular testing for the players. Maybe they don't though?

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

how many times does this guy say..".let the big dog eat"....doesn't he realize Odom was triple jump champ?

And, "share the sugar".

But, I can live with both of the above if we never, never, never have to listen to Bill Walton announcing a Xavier game. That would be god awful.

[bobbiemcgee]

We missed 6 but 5 were missed by Freemantle.

Z just needs to play a game EVERY DAY...lol

[Lloyd Braun]

Gotcha. That could happen anyway with routine testing I guess though. I am assuming Xavier does some sort of regular testing for the players. Maybe they don't though?

Yes they have a routine testing recommendation of three times/week and within a day or two before games. However once they are instructed to quarantine many schools stop testing within a couple days of exposure. Some schools continue to test 3 times a week. I’m not sure what Xavier does once they’re quarantined. I do agree with drudy though that after 7 days if they test negative it should be a green light.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yes they have a routine testing recommendation of three times/week and within a day or two before games. However once they are instructed to quarantine many schools stop testing within a couple days of exposure. Some schools continue to test 3 times a week. I’m not sure what Xavier does once they’re quarantined. I do agree with drudy though that after 7 days if they test negative it should be a green light.

Yeah I would agree with that. 10 at the most but 7 sounds good to me.

I do again wonder if the CDC change will trigger any change in the BE policy. If yes I wonder how long that will take. Initially I was convinced it would but I am sort of wondering if it will now. I am sure the BE is discussing that now but not sure it will happen quick enough for UC game.

[xudash]

We obviously won by a wide margin: a lot less bitching about Steele and his coaching ability and much more discussion about Covid.

[Jehoya]

"Lots to dream about when you look at that body" uhhhhh ok then lol

Lmao I thought I was the only one who noticed that! #pause

[XUGRAD80]

In the presser, Steele said that the eligibility of the 3 players will depend on what the local health department says

[atljar]

I didn't get the part about the sticky pants on a hot day either. What?

He was talking about spacing, and said something along the lines of a box of milk duds in your jeans pocket on a hot summer day, meaning how the all stick and clump together in the lane.

[XUGRAD80]

Xavier rolls by 30+ tonight and we're all happy...

Almost that exactly on the nose....good job!

[XUGRAD80]

Take my advice.....

Turn down the TV and turn on Lark and Joe on the radio. Much better than any of the TV people, although I do kinda like Gus Johnson.

[D-West & PO-Z]

In the presser, Steele said that the eligibility of the 3 players will depend on what the local health department says

This is interesting to me. So the Big East doesnt have one league rule as well? So one team may have to quarantine a player for 14 days but another maybe only 7 due to their health departments saying something different?

And you would think the health departments would generally all be on the same page but I have found out through experience that is far from the case even from one county to the next one over in the same state. I have seen some big differences with seemingly no logical explanation for the difference.

[markchal]

what's the deal with Ramsey? He's not one of the COVID holdouts right?

[D-West & PO-Z]

what's the deal with Ramsey? He's not one of the COVID holdouts right?

Injuries from what I understand.

[Xville]

Reading the tea leaves, I dont think we should expect to see ramsey on the floor this year if ever unfortunately.

[XU_Lou]

Lets talk Jason Carter - a favorite punching bag on this board. Sure, he misses a few buckets he probably should've made, but the dude flat out hustles all the time. Many of the things he does shows up in the stat line, but others don't. Here are a few of his stats to date:

* he leads the team in rebounds - both offensive and defensive rebounds - and averages 2.2 more rebounds than Zach Freemantle

* at 90% he leads the team in FT%

* he has the lowest number of turnovers per 40 minutes of play

* he's 2nd on the team in steal %

* he leads the team in both offensive and defensive ratings per 100 possessions

* he leads the team in defensive win share, and is 2nd in overall win share per 40 minutes



https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/xavier/2021.html

[XUGRAD80]

This is interesting to me. So the Big East doesnt have one league rule as well? So one team may have to quarantine a player for 14 days but another maybe only 7 due to their health departments saying something different?

And you would think the health departments would generally all be on the same page but I have found out through experience that is far from the case even from one county to the next one over in the same state. I have seen some big differences with seemingly no logical explanation for the difference.

Civil law overrides any rules and regulations an organization like the BE Conference may put out there, and the civil laws differ from state to state and even county to county. Have you watched any SEC football games this year? Stadiums have 30,000+ fans in them. Ohio stadiums might have 300. I saw recently where some teams at schools located in New Mexico have temporarily moved their practices and games to Phoenix because of more lax regulations in Arizona.

The Hamilton County health department mandates have to change before the 14 day limit goes away, and they won’t change until the Ohio mandates change. No matter what the BE might say, Xavier still can’t violate the mandates in Ohio and Hamilton Co.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Civil law overrides any rules and regulations an organization like the BE Conference may put out there, and the civil laws differ from state to state and even county to county. Have you watched any SEC football games this year? Stadiums have 30,000+ fans in them. Ohio stadiums might have 300. I saw recently where some teams at schools located in New Mexico have temporarily moved their practices and games to Phoenix because of more lax regulations in Arizona.

The Hamilton County health department mandates have to change before the 14 day limit goes away, and they won’t change until the Ohio mandates change. No matter what the BE might say, Xavier still can’t violate the mandates in Ohio and Hamilton Co.

No I get that. I wasnt talking about the BE being less strict but MORE strict. I am surprised that they dont have a league rule that basically meets the strictest health department rule for whichever school has the strictest. Or, the CDC actually didnt really change their recommendations. They still recommend 14 days and their site has been update but still shows that. I will be surprised if the BE does anything less than that even if lets say Villanova's local health dept only requires 7 days.

I guess what I am getting at is, surely the BE has their own policy right? I get it deosnt usurp local and state health dept policies but I would still think the BE has a general policy that might be even stricter than one school's health dept policy.

I just thought all leagues would have their own policies that the schools had to agree on so that 1. they are on even footing and 2. each school doesnt feel like they are getting potentially exposed by a team that comes from a more lax state etc.

That make sense?

[markchal]

Lets talk Jason Carter - a favorite punching bag on this board. Sure, he misses a few buckets he probably should've made, but the dude flat out hustles all the time. Many of the things he does shows up in the stat line, but others don't. Here are a few of his stats to date:

* he leads the team in rebounds - both offensive and defensive rebounds - and averages 2.2 more rebounds than Zach Freemantle

* at 90% he leads the team in FT%

* he has the lowest number of turnovers per 40 minutes of play

* he's 2nd on the team in steal %

* he leads the team in both offensive and defensive ratings per 100 possessions

* he leads the team in defensive win share, and is 2nd in overall win share per 40 minutes



https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/xavier/2021.html

I think some of the Carter hate is because he's capable of more...he tore us up when he played at OU, so he should be able to score at will against the TTechs and Toledos of the world. I feel like he's snake bitten around the rim at times, and would be great for his confidence if they'd start to fall, because he has some decent moves down low.

He also makes a lot of winning plays for us. So many times when a new guy gets stuck and picks up his dribble, or is in the wrong spot, Carter is quick to the ball to bail them out, always boxing out his guy, hitting the floor for loose balls, etc etc Add in his rebounding and FT percentage, he's about as strong of a glue guy as you could ask for, especially from a senior.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think some of the Carter hate is because he's capable of more...he tore us up when he played at OU, so he should be able to score at will against the TTechs and Toledos of the world. I feel like he's snake bitten around the rim at times, and would be great for his confidence if they'd start to fall, because he has some decent moves down low.

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What he did at OU thought cant hold any weight here. He was their go to guy. The offense ran through him. He is asked to be much more of a glue guy do a little of everything here. HE isnt going to score here like he did there.

Carter has been money this year really. Much better than I expected actually. He has been by far our best rebounder and best FT shooter. He seems to have a missed bunny every game but other than that he really has finished pretty well this year.

[Xavier]

Carter has been huge for this team. So far he has been the only player on the team where when he is on the bench- the team is definitely playing worse.

[noteggs]

We obviously won by a wide margin: a lot less bitching about Steele and his coaching ability and much more discussion about Covid.

Funny and spot on! Well done

[Dblue]

What he did at OU thought cant hold any weight here. He was their go to guy. The offense ran through him. He is asked to be much more of a glue guy do a little of everything here. HE isnt going to score here like he did there.

Carter has been money this year really. Much better than I expected actually. He has been by far our best rebounder and best FT shooter. He seems to have a missed bunny every game but other than that he really has finished pretty well this year.

How many power conference teams would love to have their 4th or 5th scoring option pull in 8 points and 10 rebounds?

The other amazing thing I noticed today is 2 points per game by Carter and 2 rebounds per game by Freemantle and we would have 2 players averaging a double double! I can't remember (and am too lazy to research) when the last time we had two players that close.

[XUGRAD80]

No I get that. I wasnt talking about the BE being less strict but MORE strict. I am surprised that they dont have a league rule that basically meets the strictest health department rule for whichever school has the strictest. Or, the CDC actually didnt really change their recommendations. They still recommend 14 days and their site has been update but still shows that. I will be surprised if the BE does anything less than that even if lets say Villanova's local health dept only requires 7 days.

I guess what I am getting at is, surely the BE has their own policy right? I get it deosnt usurp local and state health dept policies but I would still think the BE has a general policy that might be even stricter than one school's health dept policy.

I just thought all leagues would have their own policies that the schools had to agree on so that 1. they are on even footing and 2. each school doesnt feel like they are getting potentially exposed by a team that comes from a more lax state etc.

That make sense?


Wait...you’re saying what conferences do has to make sense? What a novel concept! LOL

I get what you’re saying and agree, but when you can’t come up with any other answer follow the money. It will almost always take you to the bottom line answer.

[markchal]

I can't remember (and am too lazy to research) when the last time we had two players that close.

they didn't do it, but were Farr/Reynolds close?

[American X]

1. Excellent defensive effort.

2. Great job limiting turnovers.

3. Really nice senior game from Scruggs.

4. Malcolm Bernard thinks Nate Johnson is really cool.

5. The future involves more Bryan Griffin.

6. I love Jason Carter filling his role. Also, his role is not creating one-on-one offense.

7. Pretty good job actually running offense, but room for improvement.

8. UC sucks.

[IM4X]

Missing some of those bunnies should be an easy fix for Carter. It is not that he is unlucky. It’s his mechanics. When he misses, he often looks like he is laying the ball up so fast for fear of getting it blocked that it affects the trajectory and speed of the ball when it is released. I wouldn’t be surprised to see more of those missed bunnies fall, if he just slowed his release a hair.

[bobbiemcgee]

He needs to put up your avatar in the middle of the square on the backboard at practice.

[IM4X]

He needs to put up your avatar in the middle of the square on the backboard at practice.

I’d be happy to oblige. One for all and all for one.