What if

[OTRMUSKIE]

I have 100% faith that Travis will have this team playing in March or May or whenever but let’s say for the sake of argument he doesn’t make the dance and next year fails again. Who is the most likely candidate or who do you want to see.

[muskiefan82]

Up and comer, I guess, since the names here have some sort of issue, don't they?

[OTRMUSKIE]

I was just arguing with my buddy that Pat Kelsey would be the first guy they go to. He said hell no and we bet a bottle of Woodford. I for one think Pat would be a great fit. Xavier guy, has proven he can win at Winthrop. Yes he has that incident with UMESS but Skip had just died so
Who knows. Like I said I don’t think it will come to this bc I have faith in TS. I just wanted to see what others felt.

[xukeith]

I wouldn’t complain if Pat Kelsey was hired. He is a proven D1 coach. His teams win.

[paulxu]

Is this a "Fire Travis" thread in disguise ?

[GoMuskies]

None of those names above happening, but I do have a question on the bet. Who wins the bottle of Woodford if Kelsey is offered the job (not gonna happen), accepts the job and then flakes?

[OTRMUSKIE]

If Kelsey is the first one Xavier offers or of Pat takes the job I guess I win. If Pat is the second person to be offered then turn its down I guess my buddy wins

[xu82]

Is this a "Fire Travis" thread in disguise ?

I will not be voting.

[MADXSTER]

I will not be voting.

Same

[JEHARDI]

Same

Ditto

[GIMMFD]

If Kelsey is the first one Xavier offers or of Pat takes the job I guess I win. If Pat is the second person to be offered then turn its down I guess my buddy wins
Wait, so like how do you know for sure when he was offered, technically it's all hear say, even when ESPN or someone says something lol.


I will not be voting.
Quadrupled.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I guess word of mouth. Won’t matter bc Travis is going to be here a long time. Hopefully that’s a good thing.

[tacopizza885]

Quite a young team, with some essential (unexpected) key guys out (Jones, Wilcher). We've seen the small, quick full court pressure of some mid/low majors, In my opinion, the choice of teams (for an unpredictable year), and sets, was well chosen. Man to man, zone, and full court defense. A W is a W.... I'll believe in Steele, and staff, until they prove me wrong,

I also abstain from voting.

[JTG]

Really ? Really ? 4-0, makes this the Stupid Post of the Year. What's next lose 1, slash his tires, lose another and it's torches and pitchforks in front of Cintas?

[IM4X]

I will not be voting.

I vote that we don’t vote for another coach to take Steele’s job when we still don’t know that Steele doesn’t know how to coach.

[OTRMUSKIE]

4-0 is 4-0 if 4-0 gave you hope. Do any of us really have a lot of hope? I guess I do since I said I did. However, I be lying if I didn’t say I am a little worried after the EKU game. Nothing less then a blowout will be acceptable tomorrow. If Tenn Tech makes it close I will be very very worried.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Not voting.

[Xavier]

The only person on that list I would take Kelsey over is Marshall.

[bwestend]

F**K Pat Kelsey. I would quit following the program if they hired him.

[GoMuskies]

The only person on that list I would take Kelsey over is Marshall.

The apples to apples comparison at Winthrop is pretty clear. I happen to like Marshall, but he's obviously considered an abrasive personality. No way Xavier would hire him after what went down at Wichita State. He'd be more likely to go back to Winthrop if Kelsey took a different job.

[Xavier]

The apples to apples comparison at Winthrop is pretty clear. I happen to like Marshall, but he's obviously considered an abrasive personality. No way Xavier would hire him after what went down at Wichita State. He'd be more likely to go back to Winthrop if Kelsey took a different job.

Yep,

I may have worded that wrong- Marshall is at the very bottom of my list followed by Kelsey.

[xubrew]

If there is a coaching search, I hope the hiring committee is good enough to not select, or even spend five seconds considering, any of these people (minus maybe Kelsey).

Thad Matta is a decent guy, but he's retired. Kelsey is a good guy as well. As for everyone else is...well...in the spirit of the Holiday Season let me put it this way. If Clarence the Angel came down and showed these guys an alternate universe where they could see what the world would be like without him the way he did George Bailey in It's A Wonderful Life, what we'd see is a world that actually would have been far better off without them!!

[OTRMUSKIE]

Why do so many people not like Pat? The guys is winning consistently at Winthrop. Local
Guy and played at X.

[GoMuskies]

He's been pretty good at Winthrop. Not great. I think he should have gotten a promotion from Winthrop to try to prove himself at a higher level at some point. Maybe something like, I don't know, UMass?

But there's no way he's earned a job like Xavier.

[paulxu]

I happen to like Marshall, .

Which one?

[xubrew]

He's been pretty good at Winthrop. Not great. I think he should have gotten a promotion from Winthrop to try to prove himself at a higher level at some point. Maybe something like, I don't know, UMass?

But there's no way he's earned a job like Xavier.

I kind of agree with this.

As far as not going to UMass, I think going there could have been a good move, but I also think that not going there wasn't necessarily a bad move. People in sports (or really in anything) that ware trying to get in the door kinda have to take what they can get. But, once they're in the door, if they're content then it's okay to be picky and wait for a situation that they really feel good about. And, it's okay to look at jobs and then say no if it's not what they want. I think a lot of "up and coming" coaches are so eager to "move up" that they make a move when they would have been better off staying and waiting a little longer. That's IF they're in a decent situation, which I think Winthrop is.

But, as far as Xavier's next coach, Xavier is one of the better coaching jobs in the country. I'm not going to say it's the best, but it's pretty much as good as it can be without being the best. You're paid well, you're given what you need to win, your brand is strong, and the fans are passionate but not totally insane. Xavier really doesn't have to worry about "FINDING" a good coach anymore. All they need to do is stand still, because if/when that job ever opens, A LOT of good coaches will come running to them.

So, it's not that I don't like Pat Kelsey. I do. I just don't think he'd be as good as a lot of other coaches that would be interested.

[X-band '01]

Considering this was started by someone on my Ignore list, I will do likewise for this poll.

[nuts4xu]

Might be the dumbest poll, with the worst list of options, in the history of this board.

And that is saying something...

[IM4X]

1. This is a very young team.
2. We are only 4 games into the season.
3. While some games have been objectively ugly, X has not lost yet.
4. Other more seasoned X teams that ended up doing well have looked questionable at the beginning of the season.
5. Steele knows his team is not playing great. I think we should see how he and this team respond.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I kind of agree with this.

As far as not going to UMass, I think going there could have been a good move, but I also think that not going there wasn't necessarily a bad move. People in sports (or really in anything) that ware trying to get in the door kinda have to take what they can get. But, once they're in the door, if they're content then it's okay to be picky and wait for a situation that they really feel good about. And, it's okay to look at jobs and then say no if it's not what they want. I think a lot of "up and coming" coaches are so eager to "move up" that they make a move when they would have been better off staying and waiting a little longer. That's IF they're in a decent situation, which I think Winthrop is.

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I don't think there was an issue with him not going to UMass it was with him not going to UMass AFTER accepting the UMass job.

[GoMuskies]

I don't think there was an issue with him not going to UMass it was with him not going to UMass AFTER accepting the UMass job.

Yes, and that was AFTER his weird departure from Xavier and BEFORE his odd flirtation with NKU.

[muskiefan82]

I wonder if anyone has actually voted on this? Will this be the first poll no one votes in?

[bobbiemcgee]

click on "view poll results"

[boozehound]

The return of Sean Miller is an interesting concept, that seems destined to disappoint if it came to pass at some point. I think we have probably all mythologized his 5 year tenure a bit. He really hasn't gotten over the hump in Arizona and has been plagued by off the court issues. Bringing back a somewhat disgraced Sean Miller seems like a recipe of major disappointment.

It's a moot point because I don't think Steele is going anywhere soon, nor do I really think he should at this point. Not saying I'm completely sold, just saying.

[muskiefan82]

click on "view poll results"

I did not know that it would show me since I did not vote. Two votes for Pitino? Really? That is a little funny

[cinskyline]

For me there's only one acceptable answer and that's "up and comer".

All of these other choices have serious issues and should not ever be considered by Xavier. I like Pat, but if he weren't a former Xavier player, he probably wouldn't be on most people's radar. He just hasn't shown enough at Winthrop for me. We are in the Big East. We should be able to do better than this list.

It's moot anyway. I have faith that Travis will turn the corner soon.

[Final4]

None of those names above happening, but I do have a question on the bet. Who wins the bottle of Woodford if Kelsey is offered the job (not gonna happen), accepts the job and then flakes?

Flakes? I think you may be a bit more understanding if you knew the conditions surrounding Pat's quick departure from UMASS.

[boozehound]

Flakes? I think you may be a bit more understanding if you knew the conditions surrounding Pat's quick departure from UMASS.

That may be, however to GoMuskie's point - Kelsey left Xavier under odd circumstances as well. Then had a bit of a strange thing with NKU. I would also say he's been at Winthrop almost a suspiciously long time now.

[GoMuskies]

Hey, it's happened to a number of people one time. Dana Altman did that to Arkansas. Billy Donovan with the Hawks. Gregg Marshall actually did the same thing with College of Charleston and decided to stay at Winthrop. So Winthrop is a two time winner on those situations.

But Kelsey also had the sudden departure from Xavier and the weird deal with NKU. So.....flake.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Flakes? I think you may be a bit more understanding if you knew the conditions surrounding Pat's quick departure from UMASS.

This is the whole, Kelsey took the job and then players demanded their payments keep coming, and then Kelsey left scenario right?

[Final4]

This is the whole, Kelsey took the job and then players demanded their payments keep coming, and then Kelsey left scenario right?

Yes. Goes up to be introduced as the new head coach. Meets with the team first. A couple players ask if he is aware of their "arrangements" and if they will continue. Decides he doesn't want to be associated with that mess and declines the offer. Flakes? To the contrary, you could argue that the way he handled the situation was, in a sense, heroic. He didn't publicly throw players, former coaches, the AD, the school, the basketball program or the administration under the bus but rather selected a course of action that was going to make himself look foolish.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yes. Goes up to be introduced as the new head coach. Meets with the team first. A couple players ask if he is aware of their "arrangements" and if they will continue. Decides he doesn't want to be associated with that mess and declines the offer. Flakes? To the contrary, you could argue that the way he handled the situation was, in a sense, heroic. He didn't publicly throw players, former coaches, the AD, the school, the basketball program or the administration under the bus but rather selected a course of action that was going to make himself look foolish.

That is if the story is true. I have heard it but who knows? Doesnt it seem a little far fetched that UMASS has players on payroll?? I mean we are talking UMASS, and not Cal's UMASS, but current UMASS. If its true they need to get some better "employees".

[Final4]

That is if the story is true. I have heard it but who knows? Doesnt it seem a little far fetched that UMASS has players on payroll?? I mean we are talking UMASS, and not Cal's UMASS, but current UMASS. If its true they need to get some better "employees".

They did. The year before Derek Kellogg was fired they signed a top 25 recruiting class.

[Masterofreality]

They did. The year before Derek Kellogg was fired they signed a top 25 recruiting class.

Remember that Kellogg was "trained" by Slimy Calamari. Wouldn't be surprised if "World Wide Wes" was deep in the background, and the same UMess "Boosters' that "supported" the program under Cal, are still around Amherst, and less happy with recent results.
The Pat Kelsey declining story is 100% believable.

[D-West & PO-Z]

They did. The year before Derek Kellogg was fired they signed a top 25 recruiting class.

Maybe, maybe not. Either way I wouldn't call what Kelsey did heroic. There is enough mystery around other Kelsey decisions and departures for me not to just automatically believe his leaked story of the events.

I have nothing against Kelsey either and if one day in the future the X job is open and Kelsey is deemed best suited for it by XU's AD, sounds good to me.

[Final4]

Maybe, maybe not. Either way I wouldn't call what Kelsey did heroic. There is enough mystery around other Kelsey decisions and departures for me not to just automatically believe his leaked story of the events.

I have nothing against Kelsey either and if one day in the future the X job is open and Kelsey is deemed best suited for it by XU's AD, sounds good to me.

He didn't leak the story. And if you're referring to his departure from X you may want to do some research on that as well. Are there not any Elder grads on this board.......anything newsworthy about an Elder alum is disseminated pretty quickly around 45205.

[D-West & PO-Z]

He didn't leak the story. And if you're referring to his departure from X you may want to do some research on that as well. Are there not any Elder grads on this board.......anything newsworthy about an Elder alum is disseminated pretty quickly around 45205.

1. I have heard those rumors as well.

2. Kelsey had to tell someone for everyone on a xavier message board to have heard about it. That is what I mean by leaking. He didn't keep it to himself.

3. Go Bombers.....

[boozehound]

1. I have heard those rumors as well.

2. Kelsey had to tell someone for everyone on a xavier message board to have heard about it. That is what I mean by leaking. He didn't keep it to himself.

3. Go Bombers.....

I assume that all the extra Kelsey love is just strictly a West Side thing, right? I don't think we would be that enamored with him otherwise.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I assume that all the extra Kelsey love is just strictly a West Side thing, right? I don't think we would be that enamored with him otherwise.

I think that plays a big role, yes.

[bleedXblue]

Kelsey played at Elder for one year. He's a Xavier guy first and a fiery competitor. I think he's done a pretty good job at Winthrop, but has more baggage that what X would want to deal with. IMHO