Start Kyky, bring Scruggs off the bench

[Drew]

Sports is a meritocracy and Scruggs is a grown-up and can handle it. Really don't buy the scoring off the bench argument, think Scruggs is getting upperclassmen treatment.

[kellernr]

I agree. The offense stalls when Scruggs is out there. He's the new Naji

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[XUGRAD80]

Scruggs has never played well against a team that plays pressure defense.

[AviatorX]

Truly an incredible post here.

[kellernr]

Scruggs has never played well against a team that plays pressure defense.He can beat the press but always stops in the corner as soon as he crosses mid court. Gets trapped every damn time and turns it over

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[bleedXblue]

Scruggs might be the worst decision maker and ball handler when getting pressured in Xavier basketball history. He just loses his mind.

[mid major]

Just a rather forgettable game for him tonight.

[Drew]

Truly an incredible post here.

So far everyone seems to agree...

[Drew]

Not that I think he should, but I think KyKy takes it as a slant having to come off the bench. Puts up 6 threes the first game and still doesn't get the nod, that will frustrate a lot of people. But either way, the best player should play regardless of ego and I think KyKy has earned that over Paul.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Sports is a meritocracy and Scruggs is a grown-up and can handle it. Really don't buy the scoring off the bench argument, think Scruggs is getting upperclassmen treatment.

You're letting one game cloud your judgement. Before this game the only thing Kyky has been better at that Scruggs was scoring and only by 2 points per game. Scruggs had been better in every other category and better defensively.

[Xuperman]

Scruggs might be the worst decision maker and ball handler when getting pressured in Xavier basketball history. He just loses his mind.

LMAO. The only minds lost here are those who agree with the premise of this thread.

Ok....start Tandy. Bring Johnson off the bench. Happy?

[bleedXblue]

LMAO. The only minds lost here are those who agree with the premise of this thread.

Ok....start Tandy. Bring Johnson off the bench. Happy?

Where did I say any of that? I didn't. Just making an obvious point that Scruggs is TO prone to begin with........then add some pressure and he's even worse.

Scruggs is gonna start every game.

[boozehound]

It's hard to bench a Senior who has 3 years in the program. It can certainly happen, but I'd expect Scruggs to get a long leash provided he is playing with energy and defending well. Scruggs always brings the energy, even if the decision making is suspect. In a perfect world he would spent a lot less time handling the ball, bringing it up the court, and initiating the offense and would focus on getting to the rim and slashing.

[Xavier]

Scruggs has been fine this year. He isn't a natural ball handler though. In the first three games I liked his leadership and what he brought to the team quite a bit- just a bad game. Relax

[RetireFiftyTu]

It's hard to bench a Senior who has 3 years in the program. It can certainly happen, but I'd expect Scruggs to get a long leash provided he is playing with energy and defending well. Scruggs always brings the energy, even if the decision making is suspect. In a perfect world he would spent a lot less time handling the ball, bringing it up the court, and initiating the offense and would focus on getting to the rim and slashing.

Exactly this. Scruggs isn't getting benched. His best trait is playing hard, and he plays HARD. Can be a weakness at times as he gets into foul trouble a fair amount. He's not great handling under pressure or with decision making but he's still a really good player. Shooting hasn't been there yet (only 3-20 so far) but he'll come back up to the mean. His sophomore and junior seasons he was 51-136 and 44-118 (37.5% and 37.3% respectively) from deep. I feel confident that he'll shoot 36-38% from 3 this year.

[Xuperman]

Where did I say any of that? I didn't. Just making an obvious point that Scruggs is TO prone to begin with........then add some pressure and he's even worse.

Scruggs is gonna start every game.

Sorry Bleed, So you're "no" on the benching.......but your original post was anything but a ringing endorsement for ol' Scruggy.

[markchal]

Is this the place where we should mention Tandy is one of the worst defenders on the team or is this just a Scruggs-bashing thread?

[bleedXblue]

Sorry Bleed, So you're "no" on the benching.......but your original post was anything but a ringing endorsement for ol' Scruggy.

Pointing out the obvious I think......guys not a good ball handler.

[American X]

Tandy can start over Scruggs only if he can jump over him.................three times.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Tandy can start over Scruggs only if he can jump over him.................three times.

And only if Stainbrook drives him to the event in his Uber.

[xuwin]

Scruggs has been fine this year. He isn't a natural ball handler though. In the first three games I liked his leadership and what he brought to the team quite a bit- just a bad game. Relax

Scruggs is just out of place playing the point guard position. Good point guards don't pick up their dribble at the first sign of pressure.

[xu82]

Tandy can start over Scruggs only if he can jump over him.................three times.

.....off of how many feet?

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Is this the place where we should mention Tandy is one of the worst defenders on the team or is this just a Scruggs-bashing thread?

Now would be a good time to make that point.

[boozehound]

Now would be a good time to make that point.

I believe that lack of interest in playing defense is the biggest thing limiting his playing time. Not sure he would start over Scruggs even if his defense was better, but he might start over Odom or something.

[Masterofreality]

Start Griffin. Move Free to the 4 and have Carter be the 6th man glue guy.
Free is a prototypical Stretch 4.
Miles subs in for Griffin, Carter for Free.
All this changes if Stanley and Kunkel are eligible.

Scruggs is fine. Odom will keep developing. Johnson is great. KyKy is our microwave off the bench.

[markchal]

Start Griffin. Move Free to the 4 and have Carter be the 6th man glue guy.
Free is a prototypical Stretch 4.
Miles subs in for Griffin, Carter for Free.
All this changes if Stanley and Kunkel are eligible.

Scruggs is fine. Odom will keep developing. Johnson is great. KyKy is our microwave off the bench.

I gotta think Miles is not part of the rotation once we're in BE play. He's looked lost on D and gets moved around by much smaller mid-major bigs.

I also don't think we start Griffin. Carter switches better on D, and Freemantle isn't exactly a prototypical stretch 4 (like a Kaiser Gates or Justin Doellman). Free does a lot of scoring with his back to the basket and with his footwork.

Rebounding and defending the post will probably be ongoing problems in conference play

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Start Griffin. Move Free to the 4 and have Carter be the 6th man glue guy.
Free is a prototypical Stretch 4.
Miles subs in for Griffin, Carter for Free.
All this changes if Stanley and Kunkel are eligible.

Scruggs is fine. Odom will keep developing. Johnson is great. KyKy is our microwave off the bench.

I disagree with this and here's why.

We are getting a lot out of Carter, much of it besides his scoring. In another thread, XU80 reminded us that we on this board tend to judge players based on their individual scoring. Its easy to see why----scoring is so easy to assess. So, we see Carter miss a couple of layups or we watch a Tandy (and hopefully soon a Jones + Wilcher) come off the bunch, hit a few quick shots and, because Carter cannot do that, we send him to the bench.

I like Carter's game. He clearly isn't the most athletic but he seems to play both ends of the floor hard, he rebounds, he dives for the loose balls, he hits his free throws. The only aspect of his game I do not like is when he falls in love with the three ball. But, we've got a bevy of three point shooters-----can't believe I'm saying that after last year. The three ball is not Carter's strength. I also think (and this is just my gut feel) that he is more confident in the starting line-up than coming off the bench. He seems to be a guy (unlike Tandy) who is a little prone to go into his shell if he misses a couple of shots. So, I think he plays better and more confidently when he is given multiple, recurring opportunities to contribute.

Plus, I'm not yet convinced that ZFree is the prototypical stretch "4". He can step outside and hit the three---there is no question about that. But, I haven't seen him do what Carter does. It doesn't mean Free cannot but I wonder if getting him away from the basket will expose his defense and cause him to more easily land in foul trouble. He's been there already the last couple of games. Free is a very effective post player and that doesn't mean he will play as effectively away from the basket.

I concur our guards are in really good shape.

Stanley's eligibility is settled, right? He's done this year? Seems, to me, if Kunkel were going to get a waiver, we'd have heard already. But, we've got Jones and Wilcher and both guys can (I assume) play away from the basket. I'm looking forward to seeing them although they will, I assume, see modest minutes until they get themselves in playing shape.

And, no disrespect intended, but I do not object if certain phrases are banned from this board for the balance of the season---I'd start with "basketball IQ" and "glue guy". They are used most often, it seems, by idiot announcers whose vocabulary and understanding of the game is so limited that they have to keep feeding the rest of us those nauseating and meaningless phrases over and over as if they have some specific meaning. Personally, i don't know what the hell they mean.

[XUBison]

...Stanley's eligibility is settled, right? He's done this year? Seems, to me, if Kunkel were going to get a waiver, we'd have heard already...

Jeff Goodman and others reported yesterday that the NCAA oversight committee is recommending that the NCAA make all transfers immediately eligible, a move that would include Stanley and Kunkel. Apparently the NCAA has a meeting scheduled for December 16, but the vote on this issue could actually happen even sooner.

[JTG]

No one's eligibility is cut and dried, because the NCAA is voting Dec 16 to let everyone become eligible, per Goodman's report yesterday.

[Xuperman]

No one's eligibility is cut and dried, because the NCAA is voting Dec 16 to let everyone become eligible, per Goodman's report yesterday.

So everyone plays after that?

[Xuperman]

Basketball IQ-
A player who has a knack for making mentally sound decisions that positively effect a game while routinely avoiding the boneheaded ones. A player who possesses a natural feel for basic fundamentals and is convinced they make a huge difference. A guy that consistently makes winning plays and seems to need very little coaching. I picture Freemantle here.


Glue Guy-
A player that has a solid all around game and knowingly focuses on key intangibles. A team guy with little ego. One that has the respect of his teammates. This type of player typically gives 110% effort, in game AND practice. A true team leader. A big vocal guy or someone that displays a a quiet confidence....makes no difference....ALWAYS by EXAMPLE. Carter is a fitting example here.

I'm no basketball Webster Dictionary (nor do I play one on TV) but I have witnessed well over a thousand games, so maybe it will help you deal with your adversity to the terms. :chin:

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Basketball IQ-
A player who has a knack for making mentally sound decisions that positively effect a game while routinely avoiding the boneheaded ones. A player who possesses a natural feel for basic fundamentals and is convinced they make a huge difference. A guy that consistently makes winning plays and seems to need very little coaching. I picture Freemantle here.


Glue Guy-
A player that has a solid all around game and knowingly focuses on key intangibles. A team guy with little ego. One that has the respect of his teammates. This type of player typically gives 110% effort, in game AND practice. A true team leader. Vocal or subtle makes no difference....ALWAYS by EXAMPLE. Carter is a fitting example here.

I'm no basketball Webster Dictionary (nor do I play one on TV) but I have witnessed well over a thousand games, so maybe it will help you deal with your adversity to the terms. :chin:

Thank you. I misstated. I do know what they mean. I just hate over-used jargon. I'd settle for "good decision maker" and "team player". As in ZFree makes sound decisions and Carter is a team player.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah I think barring major foul trouble, Miles may have just seen his last signifcant minute of the year last night.

[XUGRAD80]

So everyone plays after that?

Wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the NCAA to do the right thing.

[Xuperman]

Thank you. I misstated. I do know what they mean. I just hate over-used jargon. I'd settle for "good decision maker" and "team player". As in ZFree makes sound decisions and Carter is a team player.

Ok, under-used jargon.
I'm an older dude, but I like to keep it fresh and git wit the hipsters.

I love " Downhill Assassin " for Odom. I brought that handle here early. Picked it up from an AAU basketball blog. I like it because it's original.

I'm not sold on the Zach "Big Frostie" thang..... "ZFree" seems old school cool.

IDK, you kids with your minds in the gutter.....KyKy = JELLY?.....very juvenile. :sadwave:

Snipe just came out with his new best seller....wait for it.....GROWN ASS MAN!
If it doesn't go over well on this board, he can get the Dot.Com rights and market in the Porn Industry..

CJ Wilcher picked up something in his Senior HS year. They called him "SHANK" for the killing instinct mentality. ?????
No, I am totally making this up. :laugh: but I do like it. I will try to make it stick if he starts slinging arrows.

Lastly the "Balls of Steele" nick for Coach Travis. I realize that it hasn't got much traction yet, but I think it would add some color to ANY game broadcast.
:munch:

Thanks, I'll be here all season. :whack:

[Lloyd Braun]

I’m drunk and FUCK THIS THREAD TO ETERNITY

[xuwillie]

Tandy better be concerned about getting minutes (not starting) with kunkel now playing

[xavierj]

Tandy better be concerned about getting minutes (not starting) with kunkel now playing

This can go one of two ways with Tandy. You sulk because you didn’t play much or you learn to play within a system and shoot when you are open. Tandy can have an important role but he has to be willing to accept it. If he does, he and the team will be much better off for it.

[BMoreX]

lol this aged poorly

[xukeith]

X has now 7 guards fighting for playing time.
If Kyky cant play defense or team ball, he needs to learn yesterday. Opposing teams will want to not let him go off for 6-9 straight points.
I feel comfortable with Scruggs, Johnson, Jones, and Odom. Off the bench, know your role. Kunkel, Wilcher, and Tandy still will play but if there is a significant drop off, keep the 4 guards that bring home the bacon.

[XUGRAD80]

I’m drunk and FUCK THIS THREAD TO ETERNITY


Might be the most intelligent post in this whole thread! LOL

[Snipe]

I’m drunk and FUCK THIS THREAD TO ETERNITY


lol this aged poorly


I concur with both of you!

[Snipe]

I’m drunk and FUCK THIS THREAD TO ETERNITY


Yeah I think barring major foul trouble, Miles may have just seen his last signifcant minute of the year last night.

I really like the thought of putting him out there every now and again as the head of our 1-3-1 Defense just to give the other team another look that they have to worry about. You don't have to worry about his fouls. And when he is in the game, try throwing up some opps to the young man. You could even start him in a pinch just to win the jump ball, play a few sets with him heading the 1-3-1 and then take him out. We put him out there before at the tip of the spear, and I liked the creativity in that.

[D-West & PO-Z]

lol this aged poorly

About as poorly as any ever on this board, lol.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Not only won't he start, but if yesterday was any indication, KyKy might be behind Jones and Kunkel on the depth chart.

As a fan that's a good problem to have.

[XU 87]

That Scruggs guy looks like he's purty good player after all.

[Xuperman]

lol this aged poorly

Some of the posts were just as hilarious as the tread title.

[X-band '01]

Some of the posts were just as hilarious as the tread title.

What's hilarious about 75R15 treads?

#AskingForAFriend