Stanley a no go

[atljar]

Stanley's waiver denied by Ncaa. What a crock

[Xville]

Typical NCAA...no rhyme or reason except that the suitcase of money given to then wasnt big enough. I'm sure if he was transferring to Kentucky, he would have been immediately eligible.

[JTG]

Does anyone know who else has been denied this season ? And is there any appeal process ? And did Hampton bitch about this situation?

[xukeith]

Stanley's waiver denied by Ncaa. What a crock

This is a gigantic set back for Ben Stanley. So disappointing. What does he do now? Walk back to Hampton or start auditioning for prospected Pro teams?
He is a very good athlete. NCAA just popped his opportunity bubble. X now needs major playing time from Fremantle, Carter, Griffin , Miles, or Ramsey.
My first reaction was ,”Crap! can Ben appeal this?” Steele messaged his disappointment but glad Ben could meet Xavier. Such a shame. Looking back on the waivers, I guess we should assume that it was bad news. Let’s go X. Good luck Ben!

[xukeith]

Learning disability needed better in person opportunity. Is that a stretch or reasonable plea from a transfer?

[XUGRAD80]

Typical NCAA.....time to lawyer up I guess grrrrr

Evidently he had already been denied once, and this latest ruling was a denial of his appeal.

I think if I was him I’d be looking for a lawyer and seeking an injunction against this ruling by the NCAA. Everyone knows that come January the members are going to vote to allow transfers without sitting out starting next year.

Even Steele made a comment about other “bullshit” transfers, and how this was a real legitimate transfer because of academic opportunities being better at X, than Hampton, because Hampton is doing only virtual classes and Stanley has some learning difficulties. I don’t think this ruling makes any sense, or anyone happy.

[XUGRAD80]

Check out this article from Cincinnati.com:

Xavier forward Ben Stanley's waiver request denied by the NCAA

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2020/11/20/xavier-forward-ben-stanleys-waiver-request-denied-ncaa/3767934001/

[chico]

Fuck the NCAA. Bunch of hypocritical bastards.

[Lloyd Braun]

I wonder if adding Kunkel to the waiver list hurt Stanley’s chances. It shouldn’t, but I wonder

[xukeith]

Fuck the NCAA. Bunch of hypocritical bastards.

Not that I am on the side of the NCAA, BUT if Stanley had an issue with online learning, he would have hundreds of schools that could teach him in person.
X, as the upgrade in competition, looks like a basketball school grabbing some good talent.

X can dress this up as much as they can as the school looking out for a student athlete. It's all about basketball.

[xukeith]

I wonder if adding Kunkel to the waiver list hurt Stanley’s chances. It shouldn’t, but I wonder

$45,000 question now is, "Where will Stanley bring his basketball talent?"

Sitting out a year and asking ma and pa to fork over some steep Jesuit tuition might be too steep . Hopefully X can find a way with Ben.

[XUGRAD80]

Not that I am on the side of the NCAA, BUT if Stanley had an issue with online learning, he would have hundreds of schools that could teach him in person.
X, as the upgrade in competition, looks like a basketball school grabbing some good talent.

X can dress this up as much as they can as the school looking out for a student athlete. It's all about basketball.

Shouldn’t matter if he chose X partly because of basketball, should only matter why he left Hampton. If his reasoning for leaving Hampton is legit, he should be granted immediate eligibility if he transfer to ANY school that could help him to overcome his academic difficulties, no matter what the basketball situation would be. Read the article I linked, it’s pretty self-explanatory.

[JTG]

Not that I am on the side of the NCAA, BUT if Stanley had an issue with online learning, he would have hundreds of schools that could teach him in person.
X, as the upgrade in competition, looks like a basketball school grabbing some good talent.

X can dress this up as much as they can as the school looking out for a student athlete. It's all about basketball.
They're all basketball grabs. What planet did you just come from ? Do you think coaches go looking for guys who can't play ? Or were you just posting nonsense ?

[xavierj]

Not that I am on the side of the NCAA, BUT if Stanley had an issue with online learning, he would have hundreds of schools that could teach him in person.
X, as the upgrade in competition, looks like a basketball school grabbing some good talent.

X can dress this up as much as they can as the school looking out for a student athlete. It's all about basketball.

Sure but Kentucky had no problem getting the guy from Wake and Rhode Island approved.

[xukeith]

Sure but Kentucky had no problem getting the guy from Wake and Rhode Island approved.

I’m not agreeing with the silly logic. It’s what the other side of the story says.

[Xuperman]

WTF? So much for having that "junk yard dog" type in Coach Steele's tool box....we really don't have a player like him. I just hope he will stick around and rub off on our youngsters.

[xukeith]

WTF? So much for having that "junk yard dog" type in Coach Steele's tool box....we really don't have a player like him. I just hope he will stick around and rub off on our youngsters.

Amen

[xukeith]

Amen

Will Big Ben hang around X campus until he can play in 2021?

[xu82]

Will Big Ben hang around X campus until he can play in 2021?

I pray that is the case. I have to be honest and say I really don’t know what all the options are, with their pros and cons. Explanations are welcome.

[GIMMFD]

Gotta say, Coach Steele is definitely sticking up for Stanley and cares about his guys, between calling the waiver process "bullshit" and saying "The NCAA always talks about student-athletes, I don't ever want to hear that again" he's going to bat for the guy, this is just a ridiculous decision honestly.

[94GRAD]

$45,000 question now is, "Where will Stanley bring his basketball talent?"

Sitting out a year and asking ma and pa to fork over some steep Jesuit tuition might be too steep . Hopefully X can find a way with Ben.

Just because he has to sit out the year doesn't mean he's not on scholarship!

[paulxu]

If he stay at X on scholarship while sitting out a year, can he practice with the team?

[94GRAD]

If he stay at X on scholarship while sitting out a year, can he practice with the team?

Yes

[Muskie in dayton]

I just read the story about Stanley on the Enquirer website, and it made my blood boil. Fuck the NCAA.

[Muskie in dayton]

Will Big Ben hang around X campus until he can play in 2021?
Please let’s not call him that nickname. It’s associated with a rapist.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Although I sympathize with Stanley for the manner in which the NCAA screwed with him, lest us not forget this team still appears deep enough to survive the loss of even a player of his talent.

I expect to see Freemantle show growth from his very good freshman season. Carter, Miles and Griffin need to step up and hopefully we will see Ramsey in the lineup. Ramsey didn't see many minutes last year and was excluded from the scrimmage for, as I recall, "health issues". That, to me, is concerning. I'm just starting to begin to wonder if we will ever see Ramsey play. But, the other players mentioned have played recently so we seem to have acceptable talent in the front court. And, in regard to Stanley, I saw comments on this board earlier that his strengths are on the offensive end. I'll accept those comments at face value. Which means, frankly, if Jones is good enough to challenge for a starting position (as has been posted), our backcourt returnees and frosh recruits seem to be pretty damn good.

Not to say we won't miss Stanley (and I feel for the guy) but this team still seems pretty well stocked (if I'm not being too optimistic). Now, we still have to play the games but Stanley's loss, to me, doesn't appreciably dampen this team's chances to compete in the B.E.

Still for the record. F**k the NCAA!

[xukeith]

Although I sympathize with Stanley for the manner in which the NCAA screwed with him, lest us not forget this team still appears deep enough to survive the loss of even a player of his talent.

I expect to see Freemantle show growth from his very good freshman season. Carter, Miles and Griffin need to step up and hopefully we will see Ramsey in the lineup. Ramsey didn't see many minutes last year and was excluded from the scrimmage for, as I recall, "health issues". That, to me, is concerning. I'm just starting to begin to wonder if we will ever see Ramsey play. But, the other players mentioned have played recently so we seem to have acceptable talent in the front court. And, in regard to Stanley, I saw comments on this board earlier that his strengths are on the offensive end. I'll accept those comments at face value. Which means, frankly, if Jones is good enough to challenge for a starting position (as has been posted), our backcourt returnees and frosh recruits seem to be pretty damn good.

Not to say we won't miss Stanley (and I feel for the guy) but this team still seems pretty well stocked (if I'm not being too optimistic). Now, we still have to play the games but Stanley's loss, to me, doesn't appreciably dampen this team's chances to compete in the B.E.

Still for the record. F**k the NCAA!
Guards solid. Looking a tad thin on experience with power forward position. Miles and Ramsey need to step up to support Zach and Jason. Who knows what Griffin. as a d2 player can contribute. Tyrique Jones was limited offensively but boy he sure could rebound. Freemantle is more of an offensive threat but he hopefully can step up on defense and rebounding. Carter is a mystery. Jason hopefully will show up as the man we witnessed late in the season. Let Ben play! I hope Stanley plays for X for 2 years.

[Smooth]

Typical NCAA...no rhyme or reason except that the suitcase of money given to then wasnt big enough. I'm sure if he was transferring to Kentucky, he would have been immediately eligible.

Unfortunately, that suitcase of money was inadvertently delivered to Cincinnati City Council. An honest mistake.

[XUGRAD80]

Unfortunately, that suitcase of money was inadvertently delivered to Cincinnati City Council. An honest mistake.

Public reps....Well Done!

[Muskie in dayton]

Although I sympathize with Stanley for the manner in which the NCAA screwed with him, lest us not forget this team still appears deep enough to survive the loss of even a player of his talent.

I expect to see Freemantle show growth from his very good freshman season. Carter, Miles and Griffin need to step up and hopefully we will see Ramsey in the lineup. Ramsey didn't see many minutes last year and was excluded from the scrimmage for, as I recall, "health issues". That, to me, is concerning. I'm just starting to begin to wonder if we will ever see Ramsey play. But, the other players mentioned have played recently so we seem to have acceptable talent in the front court. And, in regard to Stanley, I saw comments on this board earlier that his strengths are on the offensive end. I'll accept those comments at face value. Which means, frankly, if Jones is good enough to challenge for a starting position (as has been posted), our backcourt returnees and frosh recruits seem to be pretty damn good.

Not to say we won't miss Stanley (and I feel for the guy) but this team still seems pretty well stocked (if I'm not being too optimistic). Now, we still have to play the games but Stanley's loss, to me, doesn't appreciably dampen this team's chances to compete in the B.E.

Still for the record. Fuck the NCAA!

I agree with this, and add that this could be a blessing in disguise, as it will allow more opportunity for development of our young guys, which will pay off in the long term. I'm not terribly concerned about this year, as it could end up a covid shit-show anyway.

By the way, I fixed that for you. There's no reason to hold censor the anger the pathetic NCAA deserves. By the way, they approved several more waivers yesterday for, IMHO, situations with less merit than Stanley's.

[Xuperman]

I agree with this, and add that this could be a blessing in disguise, as it will allow more opportunity for development of our young guys, which will pay off in the long term. I'm not terribly concerned about this year, as it could end up a covid shit-show anyway.

By the way, I fixed that for you. There's no reason to hold censor the anger the pathetic NCAA deserves. By the way, they approved several more waivers yesterday for, IMHO, situations with less merit than Stanley's.

After some serious contemplation on what could cause Stanley's waiver to be denied, I think I have a pretty logical theory that would explain.

I'm thinking that including his learning disabilities in the waiver request was a mistake and unnecessary. With a nice simple "I want to improve my chances to go pro by playing basketball at the next level" waiver, he gets very little scrutiny and is approved very quickly. The fact that the NCAA was made aware of his learning issues, they had to consider it as a big part of the request. So, as the NCAA claims to be a student 1st organization, it makes sense that his waiver, as written, would be denied so he can focus on academics with out the burden of what basketball requires.

[surfxu]

So, as the NCAA claims to be a student 1st organization, it makes sense that his waiver, as written, would be denied so he can focus on academics with out the burden of what basketball requires.

I've been furious about this decision all weekend. I temporarily looked at this waiver denial from this aspect though and I get where you are coming from. Basically by saying Ben is struggling academically, did this gal at the NCAA basically decide on her own that he shouldn't play basketball and devote more time to academics?... which is what I believe you are saying. I think it's a horseshit take though if that was the logic. These people need to look at it from the aspect of "what is the best for Ben?" First a foremost, an academic environment that will give him the best chance to succeed. A school with no in person classes, online learning only for a student athlete with no computer and a documented learning disability is not that environment. Second is the mental health aspect. Let's not kid ourselves. These guys are basketball players. They identify as basketball players and that is what drives them. By taking that away from them... either via an injury, sitting them on the end of the bench with zero playing time or by some garbage NCAA ruling is devastating to the mental health of these kids. Look, I agree with the late great Skip Prosser, basketball isn't like Halloween. Just because you have a costume doesn't mean you get candy... but when it's taken away by something out of their control, like an injury or this insane waiver denial, it's just terrible for a kid's phyche.
Hampton MUST have had a big hand in this denial. There's some vague tweets out there that elude to Hapton and the head coach pushing back on this waiver request. They must have said something to the effect of "we could have provided everything Ben could have needed". I get that they probably wanted to hold on to Stanley... I really do... but at the end of the day, he's gone from there. Turn the page and say OK, yeah let him play, it's a better situation for him academically and athletically, we're going to miss him, but he's a good kid and gave us a couple years of production and we're Hampton, we're probably going to do something to shut this down and not have a season anyway, punishing Ben for that is petty.

[JTG]

I tend to think in our current climate of wokeness, that Hampton being a HBCU had something to do with the decision. The poor little black school being poached by the BE school, so the NCAA looks good denying this waiver. They had to deny a few to make the whole process look legit. This way they keep from getting a lot of crap from the liberal media. It might explain why they ruled the way they did. They didn't care about the kid, they only cared about their image.

[Xavier]

I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[jhelmes37]

Any Coach who doesn’t sign off on these is a petty loser.

What’s your end game by doing this?

The player is already gone. What are you going to do? Force them to play against their will? Hope they fail at their new school like an immature jerk?

If Hampton’s coach was offered $2 million at a power school, guess who definitely won’t have to sit out a year before he collects his loot?

F*ck off with this childish sh*t.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I tend to think in our current climate of wokeness, that Hampton being a HBCU had something to do with the decision. The poor little black school being poached by the BE school, so the NCAA looks good denying this waiver. They had to deny a few to make the whole process look legit. This way they keep from getting a lot of crap from the liberal media. It might explain why they ruled the way they did. They didn't care about the kid, they only cared about their image.

The cynic in me says you might just have hit the nail on its head. The NCAA cares not a wit about the kids. They are a bureaucracy and want to maintain power and influence. Your explanation allows them to do just that.

[xu82]

Any Coach who doesn’t sign off on these is a petty loser.

What’s your end game by doing this?

The player is already gone. What are you going to do? Force them to play against their will? Hope they fail at their new school like an immature jerk?

If Hampton’s coach was offered $2 million at a power school, guess who definitely won’t have to sit out a year before he collects his loot?

F*ck off with this childish sh*t.


Is the problem with the school, the NCAA or both?

If it’s the school and they come calling to recruit me, I’m going to take this kind of thing into consideration. This would NOT help knowing that they would hold kids back.

[jhelmes37]

Is the problem with the school, the NCAA or both?

If it’s the school and they come calling to recruit me, I’m going to take this kind of thing into consideration. This would NOT help knowing that they would hold kids back.

The rumor is that Hampton's coach didn't 'help' in the process. That seems to be the determining factor. Apparently every waiver where the opposing coach hasn't given his explicit blessing has been denied and every waiver where that's happened has been approved.

That's what's floating around out there.

[MHettel]

The rumor is that Hampton's coach didn't 'help' in the process. That seems to be the determining factor. Apparently every waiver where the opposing coach hasn't given his explicit blessing has been denied and every waiver where that's happened has been approved.

That's what's floating around out there.

would it be a violation for one coach to pay another coach to "support a waiver." Probably no specific rule on that, right? that's where we are headed....