College Basketball Season 2020-2021

[xavierj]

The best thing about this final 4 is that it doesn’t have Kentucky, Duke and Kansas in it. Probably why the whole tournament has been more exciting. Not the same dumb teams that get all the best recruits all the time. Maybe times are changing. At least I hope. Both those teams played so hard and well to win that game and that’s how you have to play to be a champion.

[GoMuskies]

I'm with you, but UCLA has 19 Final Fours and more championships than anyone else. Now that they're out, we truly have only new blood.

[xavierj]

I'm with you, but UCLA has 19 Final Fours and more championships than anyone else. Now that they're out, we truly have only new blood.

I only said UCLA because they were not expected to get here, played their asses off and they are coached by Mick Cronin who is the last guy I thought would be coaching In the final 4. But Mick definitely earned some respect with that job he did. Really liked the way the UCLA kids gave it everything. The way you need to play.

[IM4X]

One of the best games I have ever watched. Two well coached teams.

Absolutely. So many amazing players giving it everything they had. So many lead changes. So many players making big buckets at key moments of the game. Such great ball movement. Such great chemistry seen on both teams. Plenty of great.blocks and steals. So many timeouts called right when they were needed. Such a wild finish. It was simply spectacular! I hope Steele and his players were all watching it and taking notes.

[bobbiemcgee]

Should be a great game tonite. Guess I'll have to tape "Hemingway". Hard to root against either school.

[xubrew]

Should be a great game tonite. Guess I'll have to tape "Hemingway". Hard to root against either school.

They were the top two teams in the preseason top 25. I don’t know how many times that’s happened, but I would venture to say...not often.

[Xville]

They were the top two teams in the preseason top 25. I don’t know how many times that’s happened, but I would venture to say...not often.

I think sports center this is the third time...last time was duke-Arizona in 01

[Xville]

I’d like to thank myself for picking the over as to why the zags have one whole fg so far.

Baylor guards> Gonzaga guards

[GIMMFD]

I’d like to thank myself for picking the over as to why the zags have one whole fg so far.

Baylor guards> Gonzaga guards

Butler, Mitchell, and Teague are 3 of the best guards in the country, Mitchell got robbed from first team All-American, I knew how good their defense was but damn they came out hungry. If they hit shots like they had been in the beginning, Gonzaga isn't even remotely as close to Baylor's level or athleticism.

[Xville]

Playing a zone against Baylor is the dumbest thing I have seen in a very long time. Is Steele on the bench?

[GIMMFD]

Playing a zone against Baylor is the dumbest thing I have seen in a very long time. Is Steele on the bench?

Yeah, not a great idea, especially with Baylor being hot, great stuff by Gonzaga to claw their way back to just down 10.

[Xville]

Yeah, not a great idea, especially with Baylor being hot, great stuff by Gonzaga to claw their way back to just down 10.

True...impressed to see the zags fight back like they did. Should be a great 2nd half.

[xu82]

Baylor just refuses to miss.

[Xville]

Refs are doing absolutely everything they can to keep Gonzaga remotely in the game.

[Xville]

Shave your stupid ass mustache timme

[OTRMUSKIE]

So glad to watch Americans most overhyped team get what they deserved. Shitty conference, easy as hell path to the final 4. Now they did make the finals but if you ain’t first your last. F the ZOGS.

[Xville]

Yep f the zags...shave your stupid mustache timme. Where is your stupid ass douche celebration at? Go bears!!!

[xavierj]

So glad to watch Americans most overhyped team get what they deserved. Shitty conference, easy as hell path to the final 4. Now they did make the finals but if you ain’t first your last. F the ZOGS.

They did absolutely destroy Kansas, Virginia, West Virginia and Iowa and went to the final game. They were legit. Just ran into a buzz saw tonight.

[Xville]

They did absolutely destroy Kansas, Virginia, West Virginia and Iowa and went to the final game. They were legit. Just ran into a buzz saw tonight.

They get talked about way too much every single year. They are Duke without the championships.

[OTRMUSKIE]

The only team that was legit was West Virginia and maybe Iowa. They were overrated and their SOS was in the 100’s. Not saying they arnt good because they are. However, when you get to start the season off ranked high then okay a cupcake schedule, that tends to lead to inflated numbers. So glad they lost and I hope they go away. F EM

[paulxu]

Yikes. I wouldn't have thought it would have been a butt stomping.
But you shoot 43% from 3 and good things will happen.
The best part of the game if you didn't have a dog in the fight, was watching two highly polished offenses just keep on running.
Zags seemed to lose the ball a lot, but Baylor's D was stifling.
But the motion off the ball was a thing of beauty from both teams.
I suspect playing in the Big12 all year was a definite edge for Baylor coming in. Legit national champs.

[Cincypunk.org]

The only team that was legit was West Virginia and maybe Iowa. They were overrated and their SOS was in the 100’s. Not saying they arnt good because they are. However, when you get to start the season off ranked high then okay a cupcake schedule, that tends to lead to inflated numbers. So glad they lost and I hope they go away. F EM

Well Gonzaga has been here for 25 years, so I think they probably aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Unlike X who has gone down the drain the past 3 years. A sad state of affairs in Norwood.

[XUGRAD80]

The only team that was legit was West Virginia and maybe Iowa. They were overrated and their SOS was in the 100’s. Not saying they arnt good because they are. However, when you get to start the season off ranked high then okay a cupcake schedule, that tends to lead to inflated numbers. So glad they lost and I hope they go away. F EM

Ain’t going to happen. They are already listed as the favorites to win it all next year. With Baylor 2nd and UCLA 3rd. (According to some gambling sites)

But nobody really knows how the transfers/recruits are going to all work out, so I wouldn’t book it yet. As long as Few is there, and they are still recruiting at a high level, they ain’t going away.

[Xville]

I think Baylor has a whole bunch of hoopers, Gonzaga has basketball players.

[Smails]

The only team that was legit was West Virginia and maybe Iowa. They were overrated and their SOS was in the 100’s. Not saying they arnt good because they are. However, when you get to start the season off ranked high then okay a cupcake schedule, that tends to lead to inflated numbers. So glad they lost and I hope they go away. F EM

These are the teams that Gonzaga beat this year: Kansas, Iowa, West Virginia, Virginia, BYU (x2), Oklahoma, Creighton, USC and UCLA. What in holy hell are you talking about? They have 3 first round NBA picks on the team and the potential #1 pick. They were completely legit and ran into a steamroller last night playing the best best basketball of their season. Hate on the Zags all you want, but to call them a fraud is ridiculous.

[xubrew]

These are the teams that Gonzaga beat this year: Kansas, Iowa, West Virginia, Virginia, BYU (x2), Oklahoma, Creighton, USC and UCLA. What in holy hell are you talking about? They have 3 first round NBA picks on the team and the potential #1 pick. They were completely legit and ran into a steamroller last night playing the best best basketball of their season. Hate on the Zags all you want, but to call them a fraud is ridiculous.

Yeah, I know.

Gonzaga has been to six straight Sweet Sixteens. They've been to four Elite Eights and been the national runners up twice in that stretch. Is any other team in the nation on that kind of a run right now?? If Gonzaga is overrated, then who the hell isn't??

I just compared them to the 2014-2015 Kentucky team that went into the Final Four undefeated and that everyone still thinks is so great, Gonzaga won as many games against top 50 teams despite playing fewer games overall, Gonzaga won more games against teams that finished the season in the top 25 despite playing fewer games overall, and Gonzaga went one round further in the NCAA Tournament and lost to the national champions. If anyone tried to argue that that Kentucky team was overrated, you'd be laughed out of the room. This year's Gonzaga team was objectively more accomplished.

When people say Gonzaga doesn't play anybody, I don't know what the hell they're talking about!! I mean, Gonzaga's overall scheduling philosophy seems to be to want to play all ten teams in the top ten every year. They were the national runners up!! For the second time in four years!! And...they're overrated HOW!!??? People really shouldn't say things like that if they don't want to sound like complete morons.

[GoMuskies]

They WERE overrated. They were rated #1, and they were clearly #2. Scrubs.

[Xville]

Yeah, I know.

Gonzaga has been to six straight Sweet Sixteens. They've been to four Elite Eights and been the national runners up twice in that stretch. Is any other team in the nation on that kind of a run right now?? If Gonzaga is overrated, then who the hell isn't??

I just compared them to the 2014-2015 Kentucky team that went into the Final Four undefeated and that everyone still thinks is so great, Gonzaga won as many games against top 50 teams despite playing fewer games overall, Gonzaga won more games against teams that finished the season in the top 25 despite playing fewer games overall, and Gonzaga went one round further in the NCAA Tournament and lost to the national champions. If anyone tried to argue that that Kentucky team was overrated, you'd be laughed out of the room. This year's Gonzaga team was objectively more accomplished.

When people say Gonzaga doesn't play anybody, I don't know what the hell they're talking about!! I mean, Gonzaga's overall scheduling philosophy seems to be to want to play all ten teams in the top ten every year. They were the national runners up!! For the second time in four years!! And...they're overrated HOW!!??? People really shouldn't say things like that if they don't want to sound like complete morons.

I don't think they are overrated by any means, but I do think they are propped up by an insane amount of coverage for a team/program that hasn't won anything. I think a lot of that is attributed to the fact that they play in a shitty conference they are able to dominate year in/year out, and thus get high seeds which makes it pretty easy to at least get to the second weekend. Even today, a lot of the coverage was more about Gonzaga then Baylor dominating the game. It's gross.

[GoMuskies]

They're not unlike Louisville in their heyday minus the two national titles. But it took Louisviille three Final Four trrips to finally grab the brass ring.

[xubrew]

They WERE overrated. They were rated #1, and they were clearly #2. Scrubs.

Okay, this I can't argue with.

[xubrew]

I don't think they are overrated by any means, but I do think they are propped up by an insane amount of coverage for a team/program that hasn't won anything. I think a lot of that is attributed to the fact that they play in a shitty conference they are able to dominate year in/year out, and thus get high seeds which makes it pretty easy to at least get to the second weekend. Even today, a lot of the coverage was more about Gonzaga then Baylor dominating the game. It's gross.

Is going to the Final Four "not winning anything"?? Twice??

I would argue that the opposite is true. That Gonzaga's critics are holding them to a standard that is so ridiculous that it's laughable. If getting all the way to the title game twice in four years constitutes not winning anything, then I guess Xavier should just shut the shop down. We've never won anything. Ever. So, why go on?

[OTRMUSKIE]

Yea they haven’t won anything. For some reason people act like making the final four is the national championship. All you did was win 4 games. It takes 6 to win it all. Making the final four isn’t as impressive as it once was. Now you have Loyola, G Mason, VCU making it. Gonzaga hasn’t won a damn thing. You’re correct, Xavier hasn’t won anything as well. As fans we like to talk about the Elite 8’s but we didn’t win anything. The ZOGS are overrated and at the end of the day have as many titles as Xavier and NKU (NADA)

[Xville]

Is going to the Final Four "not winning anything"?? Twice??

I would argue that the opposite is true. That Gonzaga's critics are holding them to a standard that is so ridiculous that it's laughable. If getting all the way to the title game twice in four years constitutes not winning anything, then I guess Xavier should just shut the shop down. We've never won anything. Ever. So, why go on?

For the amount of coverage, they receive, I don't think it's laughable at all. Let's take Villanova for example. They have won twice in 4 years....they don't receive near the coverage Gonzaga has year in, year out over the last ten or so years....not remotely close.

I'm not going to hate or completely ignore what Few has been able to do out there, it is impressive. However, I think their conference enables them quite a bit to do/ have things that they wouldn't if they were in a legitimate conference.

I think we are just going to agree to disagree here, no worries.

[xubrew]

Yea they haven’t won anything. For some reason people act like making the final four is the national championship. All you did was win 4 games. It takes 6 to win it all. Making the final four isn’t as impressive as it once was. Now you have Loyola, G Mason, VCU making it. Gonzaga hasn’t won a damn thing. You’re correct, Xavier hasn’t won anything as well. As fans we like to talk about the Elite 8’s but we didn’t win anything. The ZOGS are overrated and at the end of the day have as many titles as Xavier and NKU (NADA)

This is like saying going to the Super Bowl is easy because you only have to win two games. Uhhh....not exactly. You have to win a whole bunch of games to be in that situation in the first place.

And, going to the Final Four means you won a regional, which you do get a trophy for. If you don't see any difference between Gonzaga and NKU, then you really do need to have your house checked for lead.

[Xavier]

I think Nova certainly has received similar coverage. I should say- when they won it all most people were saying its the best program in college basketball. I see them referred to as the best culture in college basketball as well. This year is different but understandably- it was an undefeated Gonzaga team so everyone was talking about them.

[OTRMUSKIE]

The person who mentioned all the teams they beat, let’s look at those teams. BYU is garbage, Oklahoma is garbage (we beat them) Creighton is garbage (we beat them) Kansas was garbage, Virginia garbage, UCLA took OT and a freak shot and they are coached by YTG. Their so called tough schedule was ranked 101 Non Con. Only reason they finished up with a 72 sos was because Kenton counted the tournament. Overhyped Europeans. Also how many of their players played professionally for their country? Is that allowed?

[xubrew]

For the amount of coverage, they receive, I don't think it's laughable at all. Let's take Villanova for example. They have won twice in 4 years....they don't receive near the coverage Gonzaga has year in, year out over the last ten or so years....not remotely close.

I'm not going to hate or completely ignore what Few has been able to do out there, it is impressive. However, I think their conference enables them quite a bit to do/ have things that they wouldn't if they were in a legitimate conference.

I think we are just going to agree to disagree here, no worries.

Yes, you're right. When Nova lost early in the tournament as a protected seed, which happened multiple times, you didn't have everyone lining up to talk about how they were overrated.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Never said it was easy to make the title game but they still haven’t won anything. Bengals have zero Super Bowls which is also the same as NKU and Xavier. Nobody remembers the losers only the winners. Zogs are OVERRATED.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Nova won two championships. When the Zogs win one we can talk about how great they are. Until then, they are overrated and I love watching them lose, even if it’s just once a year. Next year will be the same story. Top 3 ranking , joke of a conference, high seed and nothing to show for it. F EM

[xubrew]

Never said it was easy to make the title game but they still haven’t won anything. Bengals have zero Super Bowls which is also the same as NKU and Xavier. Nobody remembers the losers only the winners. Zogs are OVERRATED.

Yeah, them and 356 others. No national runner up has ever been this collectively criticized as being overrated. Except them. Twice. If I'm wrong, then who??

But, to Go's point, they were rated #1, when they were clearly just #2. So, I guess that's being overrated to a point.

[OTRMUSKIE]

And yes people were talking about how Niva got a great seed but the Suite choked in the dance. Think it happened two years in a row if I’m not mistaken.

[Tardy Turtle]

They WERE overrated. They were rated #1, and they were clearly #2. Scrubs.

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[Smails]

The person who mentioned all the teams they beat, let’s look at those teams. BYU is garbage, Oklahoma is garbage (we beat them) Creighton is garbage (we beat them) Kansas was garbage, Virginia garbage, UCLA took OT and a freak shot and they are coached by YTG. Their so called tough schedule was ranked 101 Non Con. Only reason they finished up with a 72 sos was because Kenton counted the tournament. Overhyped Europeans. Also how many of their players played professionally for their country? Is that allowed?

Overhyped Europeans?? What the hell are you talking about? They have one player from Europe who played meaningful minutes. Hate to break it to you, but making a final 4 is a HUGE deal. Every program in the country hangs a banner for it...it's called a Regional Championship. They have literally won EVERYTHING except a National Title, so saying they haven't won ANYTHING is just a straight up lie..or being willfully ignorant. I hate to break it to you, but they aren't going anywhere soon. They are recruiting at a high level and will be ranked in the top 5 to start next season. They have the #2 ranked PG and #5 ranked center coming in next year(both 'Mericans!). Not bad for a 2 man class.

[paulxu]

The person who mentioned all the teams they beat, let’s look at those teams. BYU is garbage, Oklahoma is garbage (we beat them) Creighton is garbage (we beat them) Kansas was garbage, Virginia garbage, UCLA took OT and a freak shot and they are coached by YTG. Their so called tough schedule was ranked 101 Non Con. Only reason they finished up with a 72 sos was because Kenton counted the tournament. Overhyped Europeans. Also how many of their players played professionally for their country? Is that allowed?

The Zags really have 4 international players (tough to count Nembhard from Canada...lots of teams here have Canadian players). Of the 4, only one saw playing time last night...Ayayi. He enrolled at Gonzaga when he was 17. He does play for the French national team in FIBA competition, but I think that's allowed since they don't receive a salary, only expenses. Not sure about that though.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Overrated , can’t win the big one. Time to move on from sucking them off. Nobody counts 2nd place banners, they count championships. Next year will the same ole crap. I can’t change how you feel about the Zogs but I hate them and they are the most overhyped & overrated team the past 15 years. F EM

[xavierj]

Overrated , can’t win the big one. Time to move on from sucking them off. Nobody counts 2nd place banners, they count championships. Next year will the same ole crap. I can’t change how you feel about the Zogs but I hate them and they are the most overhyped & overrated team the past 15 years. F EM

Yeah you will really hate them next year. They are bringing in the #1 and #6 players in the country. The number 1 player is a 7 footer with skills and they will also probably get the 7 foot transfer from North Carolina. The will lose Kispert and Suggs I would imagine.

[D-West & PO-Z]

They were the top two teams in the preseason top 25. I don’t know how many times that’s happened, but I would venture to say...not often.

This was the 5th...yeah, so not often.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think sports center this is the third time...last time was duke-Arizona in 01

Oh, I thought I saw 5th. Either way not often.

[D-West & PO-Z]

As recently as 6 years ago Gonzaga was overrated and over talked about. The last 6 years though they have had as good a run as anyone not named Villanova. They took it up 10 notches in the last 6 years. I think they do have advantages to playing in a crappy conference (but it took a coach like Few who didn't want to leave to overcome initial disadvantages of being in a smaller conference) but they play a really good non conference and usually win the majority of those.

[Xville]

Yeah you will really hate them next year. They are bringing in the #1 and #6 players in the country. The number 1 player is a 7 footer with skills and they will also probably get the 7 foot transfer from North Carolina. The will lose Kispert and Suggs I would imagine.

If holmgren does indeed go there, I highly doubt Kessler will and vice versa. Both of those players are going to want to play a lot and doubt Gonzaga will play three or four bigs at once since I’m assuming timme and the 7’0 freshman will be coming back.

Making a lot of assumptions just because top players are coming in that they will of a sudden be awesome again. That’s a fallacy as evidenced by duke and Kentucky this year. They are losing their entire starting backcourt and leadership.

[Xavier]

Overrated , can’t win the big one. Time to move on from sucking them off. Nobody counts 2nd place banners, they count championships. Next year will the same ole crap. I can’t change how you feel about the Zogs but I hate them and they are the most overhyped & overrated team the past 15 years. F EM

I can’t imagine what you think about the Xavier program. Yikes