We're talking practice?

[Xuperman]

Looks like full practices have officially started. The NCAA is allowing a max of 30 in the next 42 days. These can only total 20 hrs per week and up to 4 hrs per session. I'm really hoping someone here can give us a sneak peek on the goings on at Cintas. BTW, where the heck is the good news on Ben Stanley???

[XUGRAD80]

With the transfer proposal that will be voted on the 1st of the year, and is expected to pass with overwhelming support, I think it highly unlikely that any waivers that have been requested will be rejected. That said, who ever really knows what the people at the NCAA are actually going to do?

[xavierj]

With the transfer proposal that will be voted on the 1st of the year, and is expected to pass with overwhelming support, I think it highly unlikely that any waivers that have been requested will be rejected. That said, who ever really knows what the people at the NCAA are actually going to do?

There have been 7 rejected so far including Nike Sibande who went from Miami OH to Pitt. If the school you are leaving objects it looks like they are denying.

[Xuperman]

There have been 7 rejected so far including Nike Sibande who went from Miami OH to Pitt. If the school you are leaving objects it looks like they are denying.

Well apparently they were playing some dirty pool out at Oxford.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30042106/nike-sibande-case-shines-light-ncaa-broken-transfer-waiver-system

Looks like a case of sour grapes on behalf of the Athletic Department. Haven't read anywhere that Hampton has viewed the Stanley transfer in anyway negatively.

[SM#24]

Well apparently they were playing some dirty pool out at Oxford.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30042106/nike-sibande-case-shines-light-ncaa-broken-transfer-waiver-system

Looks like a case of sour grapes on behalf of the Athletic Department. Haven't read anywhere that Hampton has viewed the Stanley transfer in anyway negatively.

You mean other than they are not supporting it ?

[Xuperman]

You mean other than they are not supporting it ?

By being dishonest about the players reason for the waiver request.

[XUGRAD80]

There have been 7 rejected so far including Nike Sibande who went from Miami OH to Pitt. If the school you are leaving objects it looks like they are denying.

But will that matter moving forward? I thinks probably not. Going to be hard for a court to support the NCAA ruling someone not eligible now, considering they are going to be giving everyone an extra year of eligibility because of Covid, and are most likely going to give everyone in the future one freebie transfer. I can just see one of those players getting a lawyer and going after the NCAA. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

[UCGRAD4X]

I thought we were talking practice?

False Advertising?

I'd be surprised if we heard much, especially in the early days.

But we can hope....and talk about NCAA rabbit holes (feel free to submit your preferred substitution for 'rabbit').

[Xuperman]

I thought we were talking practice?

False Advertising?

I'd be surprised if we heard much, especially in the early days.

But we can hope....and talk about NCAA rabbit holes (feel free to submit your preferred substitution for 'rabbit').

Yeah, I made the mistake of mentioning Stanley which lead to an easy hijacking.....very amateurish. :bash:

I am confident that if someone here can penetrate the cloak of secrecy at Cintas and provide info, the thread will get on track.

[Xuperman]

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2020/10/17/xavier-basketball-starts-practice-amid-coronavirus/3693472001/

OK, Nice bit of insight....naming ZFree a team Captain speaks volumes. He's going to be good.

[UCGRAD4X]

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2020/10/17/xavier-basketball-starts-practice-amid-coronavirus/3693472001/

OK, Nice bit of insight....naming ZFree a team Captain speaks volumes. He's going to be good.

No big Carter fan, but the fact that his peers selected him as well is also telling.

[xukeith]

X fans, do you have any reservation for putting a lot of stock in Tandy as a go to playmaker ?
It is big jump from Kentucky to freshman level and now to sophomore level. Guards are a dime a dozen but he might have a better outside shot than Scruggs but Scruggs "looks" like he will sacrifice the world to win.
Call me a little tentative to call Tandy the next "go to " X guard. I hope he makes tons of threes but if that is all he has he will be defended like Redford.

[Xville]

X fans, do you have any reservation for putting a lot of stock in Tandy as a go to playmaker ?
It is big jump from Kentucky to freshman level and now to sophomore level. Guards are a dime a dozen but he might have a better outside shot than Scruggs but Scruggs "looks" like he will sacrifice the world to win.
Call me a little tentative to call Tandy the next "go to " X guard. I hope he makes tons of threes but if that is all he has he will be defended like Redford.

Tandy is insanely athletic and can get to the rim. Playmaker I dunno but even mentioning him and Redford in the same sentence is ridiculous

[Xuperman]

X fans, do you have any reservation for putting a lot of stock in Tandy as a go to playmaker ?
It is big jump from Kentucky to freshman level and now to sophomore level. Guards are a dime a dozen but he might have a better outside shot than Scruggs but Scruggs "looks" like he will sacrifice the world to win.
Call me a little tentative to call Tandy the next "go to " X guard. I hope he makes tons of threes but if that is all he has he will be defended like Redford.

Are you living under a rock or did you sleep through the last half of the season? Quickest 1st step in the Big East....Iverson quick!!!

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Tandy is insanely athletic and can get to the rim. Playmaker I dunno but even mentioning him and Redford in the same sentence is ridiculous

Damn straight. Holy smokes. Redford? Redford? Really?

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Anyone heard anything about Ramsey and/or Miles?

[GIMMFD]

X fans, do you have any reservation for putting a lot of stock in Tandy as a go to playmaker ?
It is big jump from Kentucky to freshman level and now to sophomore level. Guards are a dime a dozen but he might have a better outside shot than Scruggs but Scruggs "looks" like he will sacrifice the world to win.
Call me a little tentative to call Tandy the next "go to " X guard. I hope he makes tons of threes but if that is all he has he will be defended like Redford.

I have some questions,
A. Who said Tandy is gonna be our go to guy as playmaker?? Though that can be argued, I don't even remotely think it's a fore gone conclusion. We know nothing of the situation with this roster. Steele could say "screw it," have Odom be the starting PG and facilitating the offense, Scruggs though better off the ball could be the playmaker, etc. etc.

B. What in his game makes you think he's just a spot up shooter?? Sure half of his shots last were were threes, but that's also because we literally had no other option, especially with Naji, Tyrique and Q being on the team, with Wilcher, Jones, and some of the other pieces we've added we won't need to rely on Tandy jacking up a bunch of 3's, and he will probably have more freedom to drive.

C. How the hell did you even get the Redford comparison in this...

[paulxu]

Yikes; all these years later still Redford bashing.

Meanwhile, I'm excited to see what our freshmen can do.

[nuts4xu]

Anyone heard anything about Ramsey and/or Miles?

Both are healthy and practicing with the team. What did you want to hear?

[xukeith]

Tandy is very athletic. He can jump off one foot/.
X simply is batting less than .300 on highly go to guards. Just a concern as X needs a very reliable scorer and play maker other than Scruggs, Johnson, Castin, and Bernard.
I hope Tandy produces.
We shall see.

[bleedXblue]

With Tandy's size, he has to become better off the dribble. I think he's already proven he can knock down 3's at a good rate, but we need more from him than that.

[X-man]

With Tandy's size, he has to become better off the dribble. I think he's already proven he can knock down 3's at a good rate, but we need more from him than that.

Just getting healthy, after last year's problems, should get him back to being explosive off the dribble.

[Smails]

Tandy is very athletic. He can jump off one foot/.
X simply is batting less than .300 on highly go to guards. Just a concern as X needs a very reliable scorer and play maker other than Scruggs, Johnson, Castin, and Bernard.
I hope Tandy produces.
We shall see.

Castin and Bernard....??

[xufan2020]

Both are healthy and practicing with the team. What did you want to hear?
I was wondering the same thing about Ramsey. He posted something on his Instagram a couple weeks ago that suggests he got hurt again. Really unfortunate but I don’t know the extent of the injury.

[GIMMFD]

Tandy is very athletic. He can jump off one foot/.
X simply is batting less than .300 on highly go to guards. Just a concern as X needs a very reliable scorer and play maker other than Scruggs, Johnson, Castin, and Bernard.
I hope Tandy produces.
We shall see.

Recruiting on "highly go to guards," I'll define this as top 150 nationally:
2019 - Kyky Tandy (4*, 89th nationally), Dahmir Bishop (4*, 119th nationally)
2018 - Nobody classified (though I guess Keonte Kennedy at 3* and 234th nationally?)
2017 - Paul Scruggs (4*, 34th nationally), Elias Harden (3*, 136th nationally)
2016 - Quentin Goodin (4*, 78th nationally)
2015 - Nobody
2014 - JP Macura (4*, 102nd nationally), Edmond Sumner (4*, 106th nationally)
2013 - Brandon Randolph (4*, 93rd nationally)
2012 - Semaj Christon (4*, 31st nationally)
2011 - Dee Davis (4*, 103rd nationally), Dez Wells (4*, 54th nationally)
2010 - Nobody

That's the guards over the last 10 years, I don't think we're batting even close to less than .300 in terms of our recruits competing at a good level. I got Brandon Randolph, Dahmir Bishop, Elias Harden and I guess Keonte Kennedy. That's 4 out of 11, and Kennedy wasn't highly sought after, that means 7 out of 11 contributed well.

[XUGRAD80]

Although this does get off the “practice” theme of this thread.....and that could be because nobody is really hearing anything about what is happening there....I’ll comment on the guards mentioned above.

Other than Scruggs and KyKy is there any guard since JP that we could hope might carry the team offensively? And truthfully, we still don’t know if either of those two players will be able to do that consistently this year, do we? Disregard the stars and rankings for a moment. In a game that has become more and more guard oriented, Xavier has really struggled to find personal that can match up with many of the other guards that have been playing in the BE. That alone can certainly explain much of the struggle that X has had in the last couple of years competing in the BE. They simply haven’t had the horses needed. I’m hopeful that a senior Scruggs, a year older and healthy KyKy, and the new players coming in will be a remedy for that problem. But I’ll have to see it first before I get to excited.

[GIMMFD]

Although this does get off the “practice” theme of this thread.....and that could be because nobody is really hearing anything about what is happening there....I’ll comment on the guards mentioned above.

Other than Scruggs and KyKy is there any guard since JP that we could hope might carry the team offensively? And truthfully, we still don’t know if either of those two players will be able to do that consistently this year, do we? Disregard the stars and rankings for a moment. In a game that has become more and more guard oriented, Xavier has really struggled to find personal that can match up with many of the other guards that have been playing in the BE. That alone can certainly explain much of the struggle that X has had in the last couple of years competing in the BE. They simply haven’t had the horses needed. I’m hopeful that a senior Scruggs, a year older and healthy KyKy, and the new players coming in will be a remedy for that problem. But I’ll have to see it first before I get to excited.

I do think you have a great point, obviously we don't have the talent or depth of a team like Villanova, but I think we also need to keep in mind what we recruited these guards for. Elias Harden and Keonte Kennedy were supposed to be our outside threats, not really the take over the game type of guy. Q was recruited as distributer and to run the offense I think (I may be wrong here), so it's kind of a grey area here about that. I definitely would love to have basically any of Villanova's guards over the years, or someone like Myles Powell or Markus Howard, but I just don't think we won the right recruiting battles to get those types of players if that makes sense.

[XUGRAD80]

IMO there were far to many failures in recruiting by the prior staff, especially when it came to guards. Either they made mistakes in judgement and went after the wrong players or they were out recruited by opposing teams. It still remains to be seen if the last couple of recruiting classes will change this trend. How often the past 10 years have we been told that Xavier needed to play inside-out and to out tough the opposition? Meanwhile players from Marquette, Seton Hall, and Nova were scoring at will against Xavier’s guards and the Xavier guards couldn’t throw the ball into the ocean, let alone make a consistent outside shot.

[Xuperman]

Seems to be an uncomfortable amount of pessimism here. This "unproven" narrative seems to be the reasoning, and there is certainly some truth to that, considering all the new faces. Obviously ALL freshman are unproven coming into this league and transfers are a crap shoot, but this could easily be the best group of newcomers we've ever had. Even if that's not the case, they will make up one helluva bench.

That aside, looking at what is Big East proven, I would argue that we have the edge on most of the teams in this league. Granted Villanova will be at/near the top, but would anyone here really take Gillespie over Scruggs? All BE frosh Justin Moore is viewed as a can't miss superstar, but surprise, surprise, KyKy Tandy matches his scoring exactly when using the 40 minute/100 possession metrics. Same goes for Z. When factoring in the expected increase in usage, he'll hang nicely with JRE statistically.....he's already proven he can be a high production frontcourt player in this league. Carter? Well chances of him repeating last year is nil.

My optimism is high based on what other teams have coming back. We are, after all, competing with our BE brethren to reach 10+ wins and the dance ticket that goes with it......I love our chances.

[bobbiemcgee]

Seems ridiculous to me to continue to hold up the Ben Stanley waiver now that practice has started.

[X-band '01]

Seems ridiculous to me to continue to hold up the Ben Stanley waiver now that practice has started.

Which means the NCAA is back to normal.