Xavier Basketball 2020-21

[paulxu]

With all the trouble in the world, I'm starved for some good Xavier basketball news.
Having a hard time finding out what's going on.

To follow onto MOR's post in another thread, if we are restricted to 27 games this year, it looks (I think) something like this:

20 BE games
Wake at home (second in 2 year rolling series)
@ Cincinnati
3 games Advocare tournament
Big 12 game (Oklahoma?)
Gavitt game

That looks like a full 27 games. I thought I'd read that you had to play 4 road games OOC.
Guess the Advocare and @Cincinnati would satisfy that requirement, or maybe the Big 12 or Gavitt games.

Does anybody have any information?

[JTG]

I wonder if the Gavitt games are going to be at home or maybe clustered in Indy, or somewhere.

[surfxu]

I thought I'd read that you had to play 4 road games OOC.


Per Dan Gavitt the Sr VP of basketball for the NCAA: "The two basketball tournament committees -- men's and women's -- weighed in here and made a recommendation for schools to consider playing a minimum of four nonconference games against Division I teams. It's not a requirement because they don't have the authority to require that -- those are institutional and conference decisions"

So that's kind of the objective is to play 4 nonconference games, regardless of location.

[paulxu]

Thanks. So no problem for us.

[paulxu]

This is, it seems, the 100th year of Xavier basketball.

But it's Team #99. Why is that?

[Lloyd Braun]

This can’t be right.... can it?

https://twitter.com/xaviermbb/status/1314631581005484032?s=21

⚔️ | @kykytandy sets a new Xavier record with a 48” vertical jump

[XUGRAD80]

Gavitt game not going to happen this year, nor will the Wake game. UC game is iffy too.

[XUGRAD80]

This can’t be right.... can it?

https://twitter.com/xaviermbb/status/1314631581005484032?s=21

⚔️ | @kykytandy sets a new Xavier record with a 48” vertical jump

Appears to be....Odom did 43”. Goodwin was the old record holder at 44”. Kids today!

[noteggs]

Not sure it means much, but holy crap on our guards for their ability to jump! That is just crazy that KyKy out jumped Dwon.

[UCGRAD4X]

44 to 48 is quite a leap! JellyJelly kind of shatters the record.41, 43, 44...48

44 to 48 is quite a leap!

[SC in DC]

Yeah, but was it off one foot or two?

[bobbiemcgee]

Steele can hire a new team every year:

https://www.si.com/college/2020/10/13/ncaa-proposal-transfer-immediate-eligibility

[noteggs]

Nice to see X not bend on UC’s suggestions to move the shootout. Here is Steele’s response to Brannen’s video.

https://twitter.com/fox19jeremy/status/1316475063609241601?s=10

[drudy23]

I wouldn't have minded seeing a neutral this year, and then 2 shootouts next year on each other's court. That would have been pretty cool.

I'm also not a huge fan of X playing the "we're in a major conference" angle, when not that long ago we were in the same boat looking for games every year. I get it - but I'm not quite sure we've earned that arrogance just yet.

Call me crazy, but I know I'm in the minority of also wanting to see a home and home, every year, come back with Dayton. It was such a fun rivalry.

Those two rivalries should be bigger than conference politics.

[basket]

I wouldn't have minded seeing a neutral this year, and then 2 shootouts next year on each other's court. That would have been pretty cool.

I'm also not a huge fan of X playing the "we're in a major conference" angle, when not that long ago we were in the same boat looking for games every year. I get it - but I'm not quite sure we've earned that arrogance just yet.

Call me crazy, but I know I'm in the minority of also wanting to see a home and home, every year, come back with Dayton. It was such a fun rivalry.

Those two rivalries should be bigger than conference politics.


I agree 100% with you and I'll go 1 step further lets put Miami back on the schedule!

[XU 87]

I agree 100% with you and I'll go 1 step further lets put Miami back on the schedule!

Only as a buy game.

[Xavier]

I wouldn't have minded seeing a neutral this year, and then 2 shootouts next year on each other's court. That would have been pretty cool.

I'm also not a huge fan of X playing the "we're in a major conference" angle, when not that long ago we were in the same boat looking for games every year. I get it - but I'm not quite sure we've earned that arrogance just yet.

Call me crazy, but I know I'm in the minority of also wanting to see a home and home, every year, come back with Dayton. It was such a fun rivalry.

Those two rivalries should be bigger than conference politics.

I agree. I think the easy thing for Xavier was to do what they did, playing neutral this year and 2 next year would've been a great solution. I think Brennan looked better out of the whole thing.

[paulxu]

It's October 17th.

Does anyone know what our schedule looks like?

[noteggs]

From Adam Baum yesterday:

“As it stands now, @XavierMBB’s 2020-21 schedule reads:

-MTE at home, Nov. 25-27
-At UC, Dec. 6
-Oklahoma at home, Dec. 9
-20-game Big East schedule (could start as early as Dec. 12)

I'm told XU should have its final two non-conference games ironed out within the next week.”

And

“It’s also likely that the Big East will reveal the schedule in sections. So we might get the December slate and they’ll see how that plays out and then move to January. Which makes sense in the event we have Covid postponements”

[Xuperman]

Call me crazy, but I know I'm in the minority of also wanting to see a home and home, every year, come back with Dayton. It was such a fun rivalry.

Fun? Have you been to a night game at UD, decked out in Xavier gear? There always will be an unsavoury element present, especially getting to your car after an X victory....not fun.

Rivalry? I guess, when you consider overall history and close proximity but when one team doesn't have a Road Win in over 35 years, it becomes meh.

No reason to schedule them for the same reason we never see OSU or UK on our schedule.

[X-band '01]

From Adam Baum yesterday:

“As it stands now, @XavierMBB’s 2020-21 schedule reads:

-MTE at home, Nov. 25-27
-At UC, Dec. 6
-Oklahoma at home, Dec. 9
-20-game Big East schedule (could start as early as Dec. 12)

I'm told XU should have its final two non-conference games ironed out within the next week.”

And

“It’s also likely that the Big East will reveal the schedule in sections. So we might get the December slate and they’ll see how that plays out and then move to January. Which makes sense in the event we have Covid postponements”

The MAAC has an open weekend in late February for any potential makeup games - then again, it's easier for them to do that since their games are primarily in the Friday-Monday window. Could be harder for the Big East since it's spread out for TV purposes.

[paulxu]

From Adam Baum yesterday:

“As it stands now, @XavierMBB’s 2020-21 schedule reads:

-MTE at home, Nov. 25-27
-At UC, Dec. 6
-Oklahoma at home, Dec. 9
-20-game Big East schedule (could start as early as Dec. 12)

I'm told XU should have its final two non-conference games ironed out within the next week.”



So we'll only play 25 games?

[noteggs]

So we'll only play 25 games?

Yes. Here is an article that states the changes for games and practices. With new limits, this is one of the reasons X pulled out of the Orlando and scheduled our own MTE. Of course, covid being the other. As with other programs, gotta pad the schedule somehow with that limit.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29900866/sources-ncaa-college-basketball-season-start-nov-25

[noteggs]

The MAAC has an open weekend in late February for any potential makeup games - then again, it's easier for them to do that since their games are primarily in the Friday-Monday window. Could be harder for the Big East since it's spread out for TV purposes.

That’s interesting. Guess it would be nice to have scheduling options for all because it could be a mess trying to reschedule at times. We are seeing that now with the NFL.

[paulxu]

Can we start the season right now....please?

[Xuperman]

Can we start the season right now....please?

Not until Ben Stanley gets his waiver approved!

Big man Saar and Obi Toppin's little bro' just got green lighted today out of no where for UK....Yeah, they were obviously desperate for talent.

WTF is going on?

[waggy]

wtf is going on?

f#ck the man!!

[Xuperman]

Everybody and their mother is getting waiver clearance. The Ben Stanley situation has become equal to Chinese water torture. I have a hunch that someone botched the process or submitted the paperwork far too late, so this thing could be denied.

Ben Stanley is a key piece....with out him our frontcourt will be suspect in conference play, unless Miles can give us something OR Griffin surprises.

[xufan02]

Everybody and their mother is getting waiver clearance. The Ben Stanley situation has become equal to Chinese water torture. I have a hunch that someone botched the process or submitted the paperwork far too late, so this thing could be denied.

Ben Stanley is a key piece....with out him our frontcourt will be suspect in conference play, unless Miles can give us something OR Griffin surprises.

Nothing botched here. The waiver was submitted late because Xavier wanted to provided supplemental information to build the case for Stanley. Travis has mentioned in the news that the staff is confident and will know within the next week.

[Xuperman]

Nothing botched here. The waiver was submitted late because Xavier wanted to provided supplemental information to build the case for Stanley. Travis has mentioned in the news that the staff is confident and will know within the next week.

OK...now that is welcomed news! Unfortunately, other than you, any back up info is non existant. Since waviers are being handed out like Halloween candy, I have been a bit suspect on the Stanley submission....WAY TOO LONG when you use the speed of the DJ Carton approval as a measuring stick.

[xufan02]

OK...now that is welcomed news! Unfortunately, other than you, any back up info is non existant. Since waviers are being handed out like Halloween candy, I have been a bit suspect on the Stanley submission....WAY TOO LONG when you use the speed of the DJ Carton approval as a measuring stick.

DJ Carton was 60 days. Next week Stanley will hit 90 days since he committed.

[X-man]

I had a friend who attend practice last weekend. While there were no names on the jerseys so that with all the new players, it was hard for him to know who each one was, he did say that both Odom and Kunkel stood out. Odom is lightening quick and athletic, and Kunkel is lights out from 3.

[xukeith]

I had a friend who attend practice last weekend. While there were no names on the jerseys so that with all the new players, it was hard for him to know who each one was, he did say that both Odom and Kunkel stood out. Odom is lightening quick and athletic, and Kunkel is lights out from 3.

Not sure how amazing this year will be with so many new guys, but 2021-22 will be a lot better with Kunkel and all other returners adding experience.
On paper 2021-22, will be the best X team in recent memory INMO.

[X-man]

Not sure how amazing this year will be with so many new guys, but 2021-22 will be a lot better with Kunkel and all other returners adding experience.
On paper 2021-22, will be the best X team in recent memory INMO.

Agree and agree.

[GoMuskies]

On paper 2021-22, will be the best X team in recent memory INMO.

If recent memory only extends as far back as Steele has been Xavier's coach, absolutely. I'm going to have a hard time giving the 21-22 team a nod over a Big East champ and #1 seed "on paper", though.

[MHettel]

On paper 2021-22, will be the best X team in recent memory INMO.

I apparently have a better memory than you.

[JTG]

During BE press conference Steele mentioned Kunkel contemplating playing this year due to NCAA extra year of eligibility rule.

[noteggs]

In December, X has BE 5 games in 11 days. Great for us, but interesting to see how the players hold up and hopefully no covid cases in that time frame.

https://twitter.com/adamjbaum/status/1321429249904041984?s=10

[XUGRAD80]

More information on the the schedule.....nothing to get too excited about though

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/10/30/21542085/xaviers-early-season-schedule-is-out-basketball-big-east

[xudash]

During BE press conference Steele mentioned Kunkel contemplating playing this year due to NCAA extra year of eligibility rule.

McClung cleared at Texas Tech and a Wake/Michigan transfer situation also cleared.

Let’s hope we hear about Stanley and Kunkel soon.

[paulxu]

Do you guys who have tickets know how many fans they'll allow for the home games?

[bjf123]

They haven’t said. The last time I spoke with someone in the ticket office, they said the big unknown is how many the city will allow at indoor events. If they’re only allowing 20% at PBS for Bengals games, I don’t see how they’d get anywhere near that. If I had to guess, I’d say probably 10% max.


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[X-man]

I was under the impression that the rule limiting indoor attendance to 300 max is still in effect. If so, maybe 250 fans in addition to players, coaching staffs, officials, and other "essential personnel".

[Masterofreality]

The Lew Hirt Society is submitting photos to be used for cutouts to be placed in seats in the same section and each paying our $50 for the privilege.

It's just like you've seen at MLB and NFL games. All the money goes straight to the All For One Fund so I'd encourage any Xavier fan to do this.

You can do it through the GoXavier.com web page. It's a great idea!

[X-band '01]

I think Travis Steele needs to look at Gary Griffin cutouts during postgame pressers.

May the Moose rest in peace.

[bobbiemcgee]

Here's the site:

https://goxavier.com/sports/2020/10/22/xavier-fan-cutouts.aspx

[paulxu]

For $100, the cutout will be standing up the whole game, blocking the view of the cutout behind him.
For another $25, it'll come late, and leave early to avoid the traffic.

[whopper]

Here's the site:

https://goxavier.com/sports/2020/10/22/xavier-fan-cutouts.aspx


Xavier is doing well compared to many colleges/universities but we have not even seen the long term damage. All of our financial programs for all industries are like triage, we are treating the wounded until the battle slows and we can get the real medical team in. Restaurants, airlines, hotels, sports and universities and beloved Catholic High Schools are at grave peril so anything I can do like join the 1831 club or this does my heart good. All have given me much enjoyment so hope to play it forward

[surfxu]

Not a surprise... but no "season tickets" will be issued this year. If tickets are available they will be sold on a single game basis and sale dates will be based on groups of 2-5 games going on sale at a single time. Access to tickets will be based on "All for One" points, which I would gather to mean that if you have a bunch of all for one points then you will get first shot of the game(s) you would like to attend. The $$ you have paid for season tickets so far can be used to buy tickets as/if they come available or you can donate or carry over your funds until next season. A final option is a refund at the end of the season. All of this was in an email I received this morning. Sounds like I won't be at any games this year, even though I have no issue with social distancing or wearing a mask etc. All compromises I'd make to attend my beloved Muskies and cheer like I was a thousand strong, but my All for One points will probably preclude that possibility.

[Muskie]

Not a surprise... but no "season tickets" will be issued this year. If tickets are available they will be sold on a single game basis and sale dates will be based on groups of 2-5 games going on sale at a single time. Access to tickets will be based on "All for One" points, which I would gather to mean that if you have a bunch of all for one points then you will get first shot of the game(s) you would like to attend. The $$ you have paid for season tickets so far can be used to buy tickets as/if they come available or you can donate or carry over your funds until next season. A final option is a refund at the end of the season. All of this was in an email I received this morning. Sounds like I won't be at any games this year, even though I have no issue with social distancing or wearing a mask etc. All compromises I'd make to attend my beloved Muskies and cheer like I was a thousand strong, but my All for One points will probably preclude that possibility.

I wouldn't lose hope. I have a strong feeling more people opted out than you think.

[coasterville95]

I’m in same boat - I opted in but feel my points won’t be enough if it comes to that. Guess it will be a seat cut out and a roll over to 21-22

I think fans who didn’t opt out should have a higher priority - but it’s a no win scenario for anybody.

When I went to vote I thought about grabbing a greasy spoon breakfast - both Bluebird/Country Kitchen and Anna’s are gone.

Who knows who will survive - particularly if we go back into shut down.


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[whopper]

that is scary to think those restaurants have shut down. This country is going to need a LOT of hope and prayers and effort and sacrifice to rebuild what we have. I live in Conn(with 2 X daughters in Cincinatti) but in Conn have been going to dinner on Sat twice a month (a $100 night which is not easy)) as I would like to be part of keeping the economy going, also give to X monthly and their old HS too. I look at restaurants, airline, hotels, and sports (it is November already and i dont see really concrete Big East plans as far as venue) as at peril..even schools like Xavier are going to feel more pain. the next six months could make or break our country and even the world. I love reading about 20-21 X team and hope it wil happen.

[MADXSTER]

Here's the site:

https://goxavier.com/sports/2020/10/22/xavier-fan-cutouts.aspx

If you have two seats together you could have

Macura and Cronin
Frease and Gates
Trump and Pelosi

Help me out here guys

[bobbiemcgee]

MOR and Fauci

[xu82]

MOR and Fauci

Thanks guys! That helps!

[xu82]

If you have two seats together you could have

Macura and Cronin
Frease and Gates
Trump and Pelosi

Help me out here guys

GOLD right ther!

[UCGRAD4X]

Brad Redford and any other white outside shooter.

[Xuperman]

MHETTEL and Chris Mack. :rolleyes:

[X-man]

Mitch and Chuck.

[XUGRAD80]

Someone needs to do the presidents heads that remind UD just how long it’s been....

[94GRAD]

Bobbie and Trump

[Xuperman]

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/10/30/21542085/xaviers-early-season-schedule-is-out-basketball-big-east

All considered, I think our OOC schedule features some stiff competition and a good fit for our young team....we will be tested right out of the gate. Bradley has carved out an impressive championship mentality coming off back to back MVC tournament crowns and Toledo will be a tougher out than the one we faced in the NIT. Marreon Jackson has become a one man wrecking crew and the sexy pick to win MAC POY. If we can manage to sweep our MTE, we get a nice breather before OU and UC. The Sooners are an interesting challenge...they bring back a pair of 14 ppg seniors. Brady Manek at 6'9" loves the 3 ball.....chucks about 6 per at a high percentage. Plays very similar to Mitch Ballock. Then Vegas will probably have UC favored to win the shootout.

So, that's 3 teams rated in the top 50 range and all 3 rank higher in the preseason prognostications I've seen, but hoping 2 loses is worst case scenario...more than 2 will produce some high anxiety.

[whopper]

it seems unreal that this will happen within 5 weeks. Fingers crossed and prayers for schools and players. This will be a huge step in return to normacy

[X-band '01]

In the recent past, this would have been Opening Night. Now the NCAA has made this a dead day for students, coaches and staffers to go out and vote.

[MHettel]

MHETTEL and Chris Mack. :rolleyes:

Better yet, MHettel and Chris Mack's wife....

[paulxu]

I would love it if he can shoot like Jerry West.

https://goxavier.com/news/2020/11/3/paul-scruggs-named-to-watch-list-for-the-jerry-west-award.aspx

[X-band '01]

Someone needs to do the presidents heads that remind UD just how long it’s been....

I say send the President's heads up to Dayton instead.

[paulxu]

If Dayton was doing cutouts, we should absolutely do that.
Get all the president from Carter sitting side by side in a row near the court.
Every time the TV guys would pan them, they'd say "ah...look...how patriotic."
Do you think they sell watermelon cutouts?

[tacopizza885]

If Dayton was doing cutouts, we should absolutely do that.
Get all the president from Carter sitting side by side in a row near the court.
Every time the TV guys would pan them, they'd say "ah...look...how patriotic."
Do you think they sell watermelon cutouts?

While attending an XU/VD game and walking the concession area in the early 00's, a youthful, kind, gentleman grabbed my arm and pulled me aside. "See those watermelon hats in the student section, I made that happen". This South American was a college friend, and one helluva an XU fan.

I vote to do the VD president cutouts in his honor.

[94GRAD]

While attending an XU/VD game and walking the concession area in the early 00's, a youthful, kind, gentleman grabbed my arm and pulled me aside. "See those watermelon hats in the student section, I made that happen". This South American was a college friend, and one helluva an XU fan.

I vote to do the VD president cutouts in his honor.

Long live Pablo!

[muskiefan82]

I think a traffic cone cutout with the name Binnie on it would be fun as well.

[Masterofreality]

Long live Pablo!

Pablo's Brother too. :-(

[Masterofreality]

Ring....Ring...

Hello?

Yes, This is the NCAA...

Ben Stanley?

Who??

Ben Stanley, Xavier?

CLICK

[XUGRAD80]

Ring....Ring...

Hello?

Yes, This is the NCAA...

Ben Stanley?

Who??

Ben Stanley, Xavier?

CLICK

Been thinking the same thing.....what’s taking so long!?

[Xuperman]

Ring....Ring...

Hello?

Yes, This is the NCAA...

Ben Stanley?

Who??

Ben Stanley, Xavier?

CLICK

You are spot on and with a very entertaining sense of humor!
Correct me if I'm wrong... Isn't the fact that Stanley has already lost 1 year of eligibility due to his RedShirt, make him automatically eligible? I mean, he has TWO YEARS possible here at X. If he can't play this year, he could feasibly be a 6th year Senior....isn't that extremely rare?

[UCGRAD4X]

You are spot on and with a very entertaining sense of humor!
Correct me if I'm wrong... Isn't the fact that Stanley has already lost 1 year of eligibility due to his RedShirt, make him automatically eligible? I mean, he has TWO YEARS possible here at X. If he can't play this year, he could feasibly be a 6th year Senior....isn't that extremely rare?

Shaun Crawford, Notre Dame DB, is a sixth year player. With the Covid exemption he could get a 7th year.

[GIMMFD]

+3000 to win the conference tournament, +3400 to make the final four, and +10000 to win the NCAA Tournament on DraftKings guys, who's feeling confident?

[paulxu]

Xavier Basketball...two weeks from today:logo:

[Muskie in dayton]

We get to play these guys twice this year.
https://twitter.com/downtheparkway/status/1326769623556116480?s=21

Something tells me they already had Covid... at the same time.

[paulxu]

Under-The-Radar Freshman: Xavier's Colby Jones. In the mix to start for the Musketeers. 6-5 and versatile. Impact Big East newcomer.

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1326253895719526401

[Xuperman]

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1326253895719526401

Not if Stanley gets his DAMN WAIVER!!! ��

[bobbiemcgee]

Like the potential for 3 pt. shooters, espec. if Kunkel gets a waiver. muskie fans love the long ball.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://foxsports-wordpress-www-prsupports-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/December-2020-FOX-Sports-BIG-EAST-MBB-Schedule.pdf

TV

[atljar]

https://foxsports-wordpress-www-prsupports-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/December-2020-FOX-Sports-BIG-EAST-MBB-Schedule.pdf

TV

FS1 also carrying all the X games in the Xavier Invitational with Oakland, Bradley and Toledo per
https://whiteandbluereview.com/2020-21-big-east-tv-schedule/

[GIMMFD]

FS1 also carrying all the X games in the Xavier Invitational with Oakland, Bradley and Toledo per
https://whiteandbluereview.com/2020-21-big-east-tv-schedule/

Season starts next Wednesday and does not even remotely feel like it lol. I'm excited.

[bobbiemcgee]

Ring....Ring...

Hello?

Yes, This is the NCAA...

Ben Stanley?

Who??

Ben Stanley, Xavier?

CLICK

We may have to start the season with cutouts of Ben and Adam

[coasterville95]

Well, Xavier is limited to 300 per game, they have applied for a variance to get that up to 2,000. (Good luck with that)

The email to ticket holders has a small glimmer of light - some of those 300 tickets will be made available to season ticket holders - based on Muskie points and for those that opted in. So that’s the only bright thought - that a lot of the big points holders may have opted out.


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[X-band '01]

Something tells me this will not qualify as an exemption from a statewide curfew.

[bobbiemcgee]

Greatest ever:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-greatest-college-basketball-programs-ever-ranking-the-top-teams-of-all-time-nos-50-26/

[GIMMFD]

Something tells me this will not qualify as an exemption from a statewide curfew.

I don't know if it was always like this, but per ESPN, looks like the game is scheduled for noon now, I could have sworn it was 7pm when I looked a week or so ago.

[Strange Brew]

Greatest ever:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-greatest-college-basketball-programs-ever-ranking-the-top-teams-of-all-time-nos-50-26/

Idiots! Everyone knows Dayton passed X as a program years ago! Are you telling me Xavier wouldn’t win the A-10. Oh wait....

[Masterofreality]

Xavier is 65th ranked in pre-season KenPom. Not an endorsement.

Got lots of sneaking up to do.

[GoMuskies]

That puts us in the St. John's, DePaul, Georgetown neighborhood. EXACTLY where you'd want to be...in 1985! :)

[Xuperman]

Andy Mac is back posting in depth articles on the MM site. In his latest dated Tuesday 11/17, he states that the word on Ben Stanley is expected in 24 hrs.......obviously that prediction has come and gone. He's never been the type of guy to make baseless claims, so he had to get this erroneous info from someone in the athletic department. The NCAA is misleading our guys somehow because the expected decision has been wrongly predicted several times.

[Xuperman]

Well, we will certainly know something concrete on Stanley come Monday evening.

https://goxavier.com/news/2020/11/20/mens-basketball-mens-basketball-xavier-announces-2020-21-coach-travis-steele-radio-show-schedule.aspx

[bobbiemcgee]

Not at all optimistic with half the Big East teams (Marg, SH, Depaul, Creighton and UConn) for some period shut down with covid and cancelling games.

[xukeith]

Everybody and their mother is getting waiver clearance. The Ben Stanley situation has become equal to Chinese water torture. I have a hunch that someone botched the process or submitted the paperwork far too late, so this thing could be denied.

Ben Stanley is a key piece....with out him our frontcourt will be suspect in conference play, unless Miles can give us something OR Griffin surprises.
Maybe Ramsey will be cured and then shock the world

[coasterville95]

Tangentially related - RIP David from Quick Change. Yup, amongst everything else 2020 has taken from us, so goes Quick Change. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201124/0b9450307bdbfb9c8d2e043ce59206c1.jpg


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[Lamont Sanford]

Damn you China Virus!!!

[bobbiemcgee]

Looking forward to seeing Nate Johnson. He has a brother named Xavier who we should recruit someday.

[American X]

I expect Nuke Freemantle to announce his sophomore presence with authority.

[American X]

I expect Nuke Freemantle to announce his sophomore presence with authority.

I do believe that Nuke did that.

I like what I see out of Freemantle and Tandy so far. I hope they grow into something special over the next three seasons. They could go down as one of the great pairs in Xavier history.

[JTG]

6'7" Tae Davis from Indy Warren Central set to make his pick on Saturday. 4 * recruit. Offers from IU, Purdue, Butler, UL, and X. His brother plays for UL, but he hasn't expressed a strong desire to play along side him. Any one know if X has recruited him very hard ?

[Xville]

6'7" Tae Davis from Indy Warren Central set to make his pick on Saturday. 4 * recruit. Offers from IU, Purdue, Butler, UL, and X. His brother plays for UL, but he hasn't expressed a strong desire to play along side him. Any one know if X has recruited him very hard ?

he's going to louisville

[GoMuskies]

This season is all very weird, and I've only kind of half paid attention so far, so I've got a question that's probably already been covered somewhere: when will we see the rest of Xavier's schedule? At this point, I only see the Muskies' schedule through 12/23 (5 conference games) on the official site.

[XUGRAD80]

6'7" Tae Davis from Indy Warren Central set to make his pick on Saturday. 4 * recruit. Offers from IU, Purdue, Butler, UL, and X. His brother plays for UL, but he hasn't expressed a strong desire to play along side him. Any one know if X has recruited him very hard ?

Yes, X has recruited him and offered, but he’s not coming here.

[Xville]

The big east looks pretty mediocre outside of nova and Creighton so I think it is fair to expect x in the top half of the league and probably top 4. I really think x should be better than providence, hall, marquette this year who were all projected to be middle of the league. I see nova and Creighton as class of the league, maybe x and uconn in the next tier, providence, hall and Marquette in the third rung and then st John's, depaul, georgetown at the bottom. I honestly have zero clue about butler. Of course just barely into the season but eye test this is how I see it right now.

[bjf123]

I have not yet seen any other BE team play, but I’m not ready to say X will be in the top 4 of the league. Bradley and Toledo demonstrated that.


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[Xuperman]

Man, Oklahoma is going to be a big time challenge. Came out of the gate smoking hot. Brady Manek is sick from distance!

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401254058

[paulxu]

It seems that one of the biggest differences this year vs last is the depth.
We can effectively go 10 deep, last night played 11. A great help for every starter to get meaningful breathers, to bring them back in fresh.
Last year at the end we were really only 7 deep.
Additionally, I imagine the practices are much more competitive, giving Steele the chance to try more combinations and measure how they play.
This should really help us deeper into the season.

[xukeith]

Not to be the bearer of bad news but with the covid 19 increasing cases and hospitalizations and "experts" predicting the worse of it will be in January, will NCAA committee reassess the state of basketball/sports because when the schedules and guidelines were created, there was no vaccine.

Basically officials said, "Ehh.. lets try this..."
Variables are moving and people are getting sick. Assess or just push forward and go with the first plan?

[GoMuskies]

I see the Providence Game on Saturday is being played somewhere called Alumni Hall, which I assume is Providence's on-campus gym where they practice. I think it's smart for teams to play in places like that as opposed to the big downtown arenas while there are no fans anyway, and I've been wondering why more teams aren't doing it, honestly. I would assume a St. John's, for example, is playing all their home games at Carnesecca Arena this year and none at MSG.

I see that Georgetown is also playing on campus this year, which makes a lot of sense.

[Xuperman]

This is quite remarkable.

https://www.bigeast.com/documents/2020/11/29/2021MBBstats.pdf

A complete 180 in ALL of the problem categories that hampered Team 98. Shooting and turnover woes appear to be nicely corrected....decent sample size vs a very respectable schedule.

[GoMuskies]

Xavier's KenPom is currently #51, which is 11 spots behind Oklahoma. I'm going to got out on a limb and assume there's quite a bit of prior year data still swirling around in the 2020-21 KenPom model.

Jeff Sagarin likes us 21st best. Seems a bit more legit at this point.

[XU_Lou]

Commissioner Val Ackerman says Big East sticking with travel model but will make ‘relatively quick pivot’ to another format or a stoppage as COVID cases rise: https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-sp-uconn-big-east-ackerman-20201210-20201209-v756cgzvjzcd5j7wm26bmzlh3e-story.html

[paulxu]

Hard to imagine a full season and tournament...but I'm still hopeful.

[boozehound]

Xavier's KenPom is currently #51, which is 11 spots behind Oklahoma. I'm going to got out on a limb and assume there's quite a bit of prior year data still swirling around in the 2020-21 KenPom model.

Jeff Sagarin likes us 21st best. Seems a bit more legit at this point.

Yeah - Hard to see us at 51 at this point.

[JTG]

I think the tournament being in a relative bubble in Indy, should go off ok, provided we can get to that point. I think it would behoove conferences to play in bubbles from Jan 1 forward. There are some teams that are not going to qualify just due to lack of games. I had to laugh at Coach K. He knows he has a below average team, so he's all for shutting down the season, so the Dukies don't get embarrassed any more. Just like he developed back trouble the last time his team sucked.

[XU_Lou]

I'm now a big Coach Nate Oats fan! https://twitter.com/RickBroering/status/1337141241868410886

[muskiefan82]

And now, after 2 humbling non-conf losses at home, coach K cancels on Gardner-webb and Elon and the rest of the non-conf share. He can call it whatever he wants, but the optics are awful

[bleedXblue]

I think the tournament being in a relative bubble in Indy, should go off ok, provided we can get to that point. I think it would behoove conferences to play in bubbles from Jan 1 forward. There are some teams that are not going to qualify just due to lack of games. I had to laugh at Coach K. He knows he has a below average team, so he's all for shutting down the season, so the Dukies don't get embarrassed any more. Just like he developed back trouble the last time his team sucked.

yep and yep

[paulxu]

I hope none of our guys catch it Saturday.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rhode-island-highest-covid-19-per-capita_n_5fd2328bc5b68256b1130a70

[xudash]

Chemistry - - https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2020/12/10/locked-room-nearly-left-xavier-without-4-coaches-against-oklahoma/3875921001/

[Olsingledigit]

I hope none of our guys catch it Saturday.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rhode-island-highest-covid-19-per-capita_n_5fd2328bc5b68256b1130a70

Unfortunately we didn't have to wait until Saturday.

[xukeith]

We are 7 games into the season . I hope X plays at least 10 more times this season. What’s most exciting among the frosh and transfers is Nate Johnson might go down in recent memory as the best transfer ever. Expectations were low after Kyle Castlin and Bryce Moore were subpar on offense. Garner Webb leads the nation in 3 point %. He averaged 41% from 3 last year. He hustled, dives after loose balls, and looks like he is in a great spot to catch a pass. Let’s hope he still delivers.

[paulxu]

Looking at the NFL, they cancelled the preseason, but many teams are playing all their games.
They have 53 players and must at least have that many that travel with them.
Yet somehow they aren't getting positives that quarantine the team.
We've got a much smaller group in men''s BB, and haven't traveled at all.

I'm really bummed at this hold up. Here's hoping we can get a decent season in and that they have a tournament, and we're invited.
(also hope that none of our guys get really sick from this)

[D-West & PO-Z]

Looking at the NFL, they cancelled the preseason, but many teams are playing all their games.
They have 53 players and must at least have that many that travel with them.
Yet somehow they aren't getting positives that quarantine the team.
We've got a much smaller group in men''s BB, and haven't traveled at all.

I'm really bummed at this hold up. Here's hoping we can get a decent season in and that they have a tournament, and we're invited.
(also hope that none of our guys get really sick from this)

The thing that helps the NFL teams are that the position groups really stick together. The smaller nature of a basketball team hurts them by putting the whole teams at risk. And when the NFL teams meet in their groups inside they have to wear their masks which if they do wouldn't count as an exposure.

[Xavier]

The day of an NFL player is also pretty filled. I remember at the beginning of the year that was one of the reasons people thought NFL could be ok. From meetings, film, practice, gym, etc.- they don't have too much time to go out themselves. The concern was more on their family/people they lived with.

College basketball teams are obviously different. I just think they need to move to a bubble type environment for the Big East play, otherwise I expect quite a few games missed. At least with Basketball it is easier to make games up.

[paulxu]

If they go to a bubble, or regional bubbles, how do the players attend classes? On-line?

(I don't even know if Xavier is doing in-person classes at this point)

[GoMuskies]

I believe Xavier finished up their semester at Thanksgiving and will not be back until late January. There was certainly some time for a bubble without affecting school at all.

[94GRAD]

I believe Xavier finished up their semester at Thanksgiving and will not be back until late January. There was certainly some time for a bubble without affecting school at all.

Classes don't start back up until Jan 18th

[D-West & PO-Z]

I believe Xavier finished up their semester at Thanksgiving and will not be back until late January. There was certainly some time for a bubble without affecting school at all.

I don't know about Xavier but my brother is a sophomore at OSU and they did not return after Thanksgiving but they still had classes to finish after Thanksgiving but they were all online.

[GIMMFD]

I don't know about Xavier but my brother is a sophomore at OSU and they did not return after Thanksgiving but they still had classes to finish after Thanksgiving but they were all online.

Yup, same thing going on at UCF here in Orlando, seems a lot of schools made that decision.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yup, same thing going on at UCF here in Orlando, seems a lot of schools made that decision.

Makes total sense.

My brother does think his last 2 semesters have been a complete joke. Said classes are easy and all exams except one class is basically open book. Said he doesn't feel the quality of education is near what it would be in person.

He wasn't complaining necessarily lol but just his opinion.

[GIMMFD]

Makes total sense.

My brother does think his last 2 semesters have been a complete joke. Said classes are easy and all exams except one class is basically open book. Said he doesn't feel the quality of education is near what it would be in person.

He wasn't complaining necessarily lol but just his opinion.

Oh I 100% believe it man, I couldn't imagine having to spend college years in the middle of this crap, miss out on some amazing times, and definitely the education can't be as good as in person. I know for myself personally, there's absolutely zero chance I'd be able to pay attention to a Zoom class lecture or anything of that nature, what's crazy is that a lot of medical schools were actually doing that too (though I'd argue medicine is different because you have to end up teaching yourself majority of the shit anyways, and being able to mute a Zoom and actually study may be more beneficial), which I don't know how the hell you do a physical exam over Zoom haha. Easy classes are a perk, but for the overall experience of it, I'd be salty as hell.

[xu82]

Yup, same thing going on at UCF here in Orlando, seems a lot of schools made that decision.

You’re in Orlando now? Does that mean no more rum drinks with little umbrellas????

[xu82]

Oh I 100% believe it man, I couldn't imagine having to spend college years in the middle of this crap, miss out on some amazing times, and definitely the education can't be as good as in person. I know for myself personally, there's absolutely zero chance I'd be able to pay attention to a Zoom class lecture or anything of that nature, what's crazy is that a lot of medical schools were actually doing that too (though I'd argue medicine is different because you have to end up teaching yourself majority of the shit anyways, and being able to mute a Zoom and actually study may be more beneficial), which I don't know how the hell you do a physical exam over Zoom haha. Easy classes are a perk, but for the overall experience of it, I'd be salty as hell.

A year without Dana’s and I might have graduated on time......just sayin’.

[bobbiemcgee]

Any chance tmrw will be BEN STANLEY DAY?

[GIMMFD]

You’re in Orlando now? Does that mean no more rum drinks with little umbrellas????
Haha yessir, back stateside for good after completing all the basic sciences stuff, I've been back stateside for good for a little over a year now! Still a lot of rum drinks, I just buy the umbrellas from Kroger now. Unfortunately, I'm being sent up north for internal medicine to Baltimore in a few weeks, only saving grace is that it's not at the same hospital my sister is an absolute rockstar internal medicine resident at hahha.


A year without Dana’s and I might have graduated on time......just sayin’.

Biggest regret was not attempting second semester club, not that I was a diligent student studying, because it was Senior year and I did absolute nothing of extreme effort, just didn't think I could have done it so didn't try lol.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Haha yessir, back stateside for good after completing all the basic sciences stuff, I've been back stateside for good for a little over a year now! Still a lot of rum drinks, I just buy the umbrellas from Kroger now. Unfortunately, I'm being sent up north for internal medicine to Baltimore in a few weeks, only saving grace is that it's not at the same hospital my sister is an absolute rockstar internal medicine resident at hahha.



Biggest regret was not attempting second semester club, not that I was a diligent student studying, because it was Senior year and I did absolute nothing of extreme effort, just didn't think I could have done it so didn't try lol.

I didn't go to X but have heard of that second semester club but don't know what it is. So...what is it?

[xu82]

Haha yessir, back stateside for good after completing all the basic sciences stuff, I've been back stateside for good for a little over a year now! Still a lot of rum drinks, I just buy the umbrellas from Kroger now. Unfortunately, I'm being sent up north for internal medicine to Baltimore in a few weeks, only saving grace is that it's not at the same hospital my sister is an absolute rockstar internal medicine resident at hahha.



Biggest regret was not attempting second semester club, not that I was a diligent student studying, because it was Senior year and I did absolute nothing of extreme effort, just didn't think I could have done it so didn't try lol.


Enjoy life back in the states. My wife’s family is almost all doctors, some married to other doctors, with a few lawyers thrown in. My wife is the outcast banker. She seriously messed up marrying me! She has a niece I absolutely adore for some reason who is starting her residency around Philly. I can’t admit favorites anywhere else, but she is just so sweet and chill, I love that young lady! There is just a calm about her.

[xu82]

I didn't go to X but have heard of that second semester club but don't know what it is. So...what is it?


For me it was an EXTRA semester club! Between Dana’s and Dr Peggy Crail I didn’t stand a chance. Dana’s? Obvious enough. Dr Crail? Her PhD was in biochemistry, I believe, and she had no business teaching finance. I changed majors to get away rather than take the 3 remaining classes only offered by her for a finance degree.

[XUGRAD80]

My “extra semester” was for student teaching. 9 semester credit hours and I only had to do the actual student teaching thing for a quarter. Also got me out of having to write a senior paper for my History degree. Downside was I finished up at end of 1st semester, so what to do for 2nd semester? More school or find a temporary job? That’s how I ended up taking classes at UC for a quarter. College of Continuing Ed, I think they called it. Classes through that were much cheaper than entering as a regular student and the paperwork was practically nonexistent. Wasn’t real motivated at that point so I think I had a solid D average at UC....LOL. More interested in doing the party scene in Clifton and lining up interviews for a teaching position during the next school year. Did part-time work at a pizza place so I had some spare money. Pretty much a wasted year.

[94GRAD]

I didn't go to X but have heard of that second semester club but don't know what it is. So...what is it?

You have to come every day(except Easter and Spring break) of your Second Semester Senior year and have a drink. It's roughly 110 days

[atljar]

You have to come every day(except Easter and Spring break) of your Second Semester Senior year and have a drink. It's roughly 110 days

Proudly supporting this program I see! ha

[paulxu]

You have to come every day(except Easter and Spring break) of your Second Semester Senior year and have a drink. It's roughly 110 days

Studer !

[94GRAD]

studer !

rip :(

[X-band '01]

Any chance tmrw will be BEN STANLEY DAY?

You forgot to sign in as Xuperman before posting that.

[D-West & PO-Z]

You have to come every day(except Easter and Spring break) of your Second Semester Senior year and have a drink. It's roughly 110 days

Ha, that's awesome. What do you get? T-shirt? Name on wall? Just bragging rights?

Great idea by you guys btw.

[94GRAD]

Ha, that's awesome. What do you get? T-shirt? Name on wall? Just bragging rights?

Great idea by you guys btw.

As far as the participants know when they first sign up, they only get their name on a plaque. If they accomplish the goal, they also get any piece of Dana's gear they want and their last tab of the year is free(we don't tell them until they cash out though).

[GIMMFD]

As far as the participants know when they first sign up, they only get their name on a plaque. If they accomplish the goal, they also get any piece of Dana's gear they want and their last tab of the year is free(we don't tell them until they cash out though).

I actually had no idea that the last tab of the year was free haha, granted I did my best to never run up a crazy tab there in college, proud of myself for that. Also thinking about the logistics, it's actually pretty manageable, especially if you stopped by only for lunch for the burger and beer (for the most reasonable price ever might I add)..

[GoMuskies]

The logistics of drinking basically 110 straight days are pretty manageable? Really? Not that I was going for it anyway, but we liked to travel for road basketball games, so we'd have missed a number of days just for that.

[94GRAD]

I actually had no idea that the last tab of the year was free haha, granted I did my best to never run up a crazy tab there in college, proud of myself for that. Also thinking about the logistics, it's actually pretty manageable, especially if you stopped by only for lunch for the burger and beer (for the most reasonable price ever might I add)..

No one knows and it's not told ahead of time. It's our thank-you for completing the challenge.

[94GRAD]

The logistics of drinking basically 110 straight days are pretty manageable? Really? Not that I was going for it anyway, but we liked to travel for road basketball games, so we'd have missed a number of days just for that.

There is a NCAA basketball waiver. You would have to have a drink with me at the X pregame reception and any other day X was in town and that would count as your Danas visit!!!!

[paulxu]

Can I get credit (free drinks) for doing this thing, before it was a thing?

[xudash]

Can I get credit (free drinks) for doing this thing, before it was a thing?

Could I be considered for Employee of the Year cum eo for having done it many moons ago behind the bar, and for longer than 110 straight days?

[XU20]

https://twitter.com/xaviermbb/status/1339337620657229826?s=21

Ben Stanley is eligible!!


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[xudash]

https://twitter.com/xaviermbb/status/1339337620657229826?s=21

Ben Stanley is eligible!!


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YES!

Let's get back to work!

[xu82]

https://twitter.com/xaviermbb/status/1339337620657229826?s=21

Ben Stanley is eligible!!


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Absolutely AWESOME NEWS! Can’t wait to see him in action!

[MHettel]

OK. Put these guys on total lockdown. LIKE 100% lockdown.

I see like 10 starters on our roster. Kunkle could have started for XU teams. Griffin too. Tandy could have started on some of the early Chris Mack teams. Jones might be a started THIS year. I'm making the assumption that Stanley can as well.

This could be the deepest team ever at XU. In a year where benches may play a key role, and we are in good shape. NOW QUARANTINE and don't ruin it!

[xukeith]

OK. Put these guys on total lockdown. LIKE 100% lockdown.

I see like 10 starters on our roster. Kunkle could have started for XU teams. Griffin too. Tandy could have started on some of the early Chris Mack teams. Jones might be a started THIS year. I'm making the assumption that Stanley can as well.

This could be the deepest team ever at XU. In a year where benches may play a key role, and we are in good shape. NOW QUARANTINE and don't ruin it!

We will see if a more deep bench = wins. Nice problem to have. Shoot well? Check. Rebound? Check. Defend? Check. Now who comes back next year?
Not Scruggs, or Johnson probably. Not Carter or Griffin, too. Everybody else I hope if egos are checked and padded. Hope X rattles some cages. No injuries or foul trouble would be ideal.

[XUGRAD80]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30534080/division-transfers-all-sports-get-blanket-waiver-ncaa-play-immediately

[D-West & PO-Z]

As far as the participants know when they first sign up, they only get their name on a plaque. If they accomplish the goal, they also get any piece of Dana's gear they want and their last tab of the year is free(we don't tell them until they cash out though).

Awesome!

[D-West & PO-Z]

https://twitter.com/xaviermbb/status/1339337620657229826?s=21

Ben Stanley is eligible!!


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Yeah awesome. Excited to see him Sunday! As long as he isn't the positive player that is I guess.

[D-West & PO-Z]

OK. Put these guys on total lockdown. LIKE 100% lockdown.

I see like 10 starters on our roster. Kunkle could have started for XU teams. Griffin too. Tandy could have started on some of the early Chris Mack teams. Jones might be a started THIS year. I'm making the assumption that Stanley can as well.

This could be the deepest team ever at XU. In a year where benches may play a key role, and we are in good shape. NOW QUARANTINE and don't ruin it!

Yeah. I am really anxious to:

1. Make it to Sunday with no further positive tests that shut us down again.
2. See which player isn't playing and with the team come warmups. Never want it to be anyone but really hope it isn't one of our top contributors.

[bobbiemcgee]

Any chance tmrw will be BEN STANLEY DAY?

Yup!!!

[XUBison]

Yeah. I am really anxious to:...
2. See which player isn't playing and with the team come warmups...

yes, then we can all properly shame him for catching a contagious virus.

[XUBison]

The Stanley news is nuts, like in the best way. Assuming the transfer rule is permanently changed, we could have some very interesting scenarios on this team. Some pretty talented players may have a tough time getting playing time on this roster. Miles, Wilcher, and KyKy could all be Big time contributors over the next couple years, but they may find themselves playing less than they anticipated this year. Oh well, it’s a better problem than constantly wondering what the hell is wrong with our roster.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

With Stanley available, will we see D. Ramsey play this year?

[whopper]

As far as Ramsey who knows. I saw his one basket last year visiting from Connecticut aginst Linscomb. So much depth and everybody must be prepared to play hard AND take a haircut in playing time. It will be a challenge for coaches and assistants but winning makes it much easier.

[paulxu]

Could I be considered for Employee of the Year cum eo for having done it many moons ago behind the bar, and for longer than 110 straight days?

Well, that explains that nosedive in your GPA.

[D-West & PO-Z]

With Stanley available, will we see D. Ramsey play this year?

He hasn't played yet. I guess he is hurt still though? I don't think him or Miles will see anything other than blowout/mop up time this year.

[boozehound]

Yeah awesome. Excited to see him Sunday! As long as he isn't the positive player that is I guess.

Which is great. It sucks that he had to miss the first 7 games for no real reason though.

[Xville]

He hasn't played yet. I guess he is hurt still though? I don't think him or Miles will see anything other than blowout/mop up time this year.

I don't have any insider information but to me it seems unlikely that we ever see Ramsey on the floor for Xavier ever again due to what seems like chronic injuries

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't have any insider information but to me it seems unlikely that we ever see Ramsey on the floor for Xavier ever again due to what seems like chronic injuries

Yeah that would not surprise me given how it seems things are going.

[kane79]

The Stanley news is nuts, like in the best way. Assuming the transfer rule is permanently changed, we could have some very interesting scenarios on this team. Some pretty talented players may have a tough time getting playing time on this roster. Miles, Wilcher, and KyKy could all be Big time contributors over the next couple years, but they may find themselves playing less than they anticipated this year. Oh well, it’s a better problem than constantly wondering what the hell is wrong with our roster.

The coaches need to be wispering the name James Posey in their ears 24/7 the rest of the season, he didn't start till his final season at X but thrived in the 6th man role and turned it into a Xavier hall of fame career and a solid NBA career as well.

[GoMuskies]

Posey played starter's minutes from the day he was eligible, though. Not sure that's going to mean much to Miles.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Posey played starter's minutes from the day he was eligible, though. Not sure that's going to mean much to Miles.

Yeah I don't think the guys who are at 6, 7, 8 will be the frustrated ones. Probably more the 9-12 guys. And I am not saying they will be but that is probably where it would come from.

[whopper]

this year is so up in the air and I honestly don’t know who can even come back next year with these rules. Almost seems like anybody even Scruggs. We are going to have to up our pressure on defense and pace on offense to take advantage of our depth. I worry a little about Tandy(who could drop a peg) with the rise of Johnson and Colby Jones and Carter especially may have to give up some minutes for Stanley as Griffin who is effective plays less. Maybe this depth can protect Zach F as I see other teams trying to get him into foul trouble. He is not a God but must play 30 for use to be at our best. A nice problem but a problem nonetheless

[D-West & PO-Z]

this year is so up in the air and I honestly don’t know who can even come back next year with these rules. Almost seems like anybody even Scruggs. We are going to have to up our pressure on defense and pace on offense to take advantage of our depth. I worry a little about Tandy(who could drop a peg) with the rise of Johnson and Colby Jones and Carter especially may have to give up some minutes for Stanley as Griffin who is effective plays less. Maybe this depth can protect Zach F as I see other teams trying to get him into foul trouble. He is not a God but must play 30 for use to be at our best. A nice problem but a problem nonetheless

This year does not count against anyone's eligibility.

Every single player on the team could return if they wanted to and Xavier wanted them back.

That won't happen but it would be allowed.

[GIMMFD]

this year is so up in the air and I honestly don’t know who can even come back next year with these rules. Almost seems like anybody even Scruggs. We are going to have to up our pressure on defense and pace on offense to take advantage of our depth. I worry a little about Tandy(who could drop a peg) with the rise of Johnson and Colby Jones and Carter especially may have to give up some minutes for Stanley as Griffin who is effective plays less. Maybe this depth can protect Zach F as I see other teams trying to get him into foul trouble. He is not a God but must play 30 for use to be at our best. A nice problem but a problem nonetheless

I don't know, I don't think Scruggs will just because of his age, but the rest, definitely could see a lot of them returning. This is a really good problem to have, I agree, especially with how fluid Jones has looked in limited time, and now having the ability to have some fresh legs towards the end of the season. That could have possibility contributed to the shocker in the Big East Tournament last year, all I know is, I'm definitely drinking the kool-aid.

[XUGRAD80]

Would expect both Scruggs and Carter to leave no matter what. Both will have been in school for 5 years and have their degrees. Both will be 23. In fact Carter already had his undergraduate degree from OU when he got here and has been working on his masters, last year and this year. Not sure where Johnson and Griffin stand academically, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they went either way. I think that might very well depend on how this year goes athletically and what their options are after the season. I assume that one of the reasons they transferred was to increase their exposure and show they could play high level BB in the hopes of attracting professional interest. It would surprise me if any of the other players didn’t plan to be playing college basketball next season.

[GIMMFD]

Would expect both Scruggs and Carter to leave no matter what. Both will have been in school for 5 years and have their degrees. Both will be 23. In fact Carter already had his undergraduate degree from OU when he got here and has been working on his masters, last year and this year. Not sure where Johnson and Griffin stand academically, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they went either way. I think that might very well depend on how this year goes athletically and what their options are after the season. I assume that one of the reasons they transferred was to increase their exposure and show they could play high level BB in the hopes of attracting professional interest. It would surprise me if any of the other players didn’t plan to be playing college basketball next season.

Good assessment, can't say I disagree, I would LOVE for Johnson and Griffin to come back for another year, wonder how much Johnson's stock will rise if he keeps playing like this? The man has been an absolute microwave from beyond the three point line, there's been some decent NBA players that carved out a 3 point specialist role.

[xuwin]

Yeah I don't think the guys who are at 6, 7, 8 will be the frustrated ones. Probably more the 9-12 guys. And I am not saying they will be but that is probably where it would come from.

The one's that are going to be frustrated are the one's that are going to get their minutes bumped by transfers.

[xuwin]

This year does not count against anyone's eligibility.

Every single player on the team could return if they wanted to and Xavier wanted them back.

That won't happen but it would be allowed.

Just because they all could return doesn't mean that Xavier will be willing to take them all back. There are recruits coming in.

[xuwin]

Good assessment, can't say I disagree, I would LOVE for Johnson and Griffin to come back for another year, wonder how much Johnson's stock will rise if he keeps playing like this? The man has been an absolute microwave from beyond the three point line, there's been some decent NBA players that carved out a 3 point specialist role.

If Johnson keeps playing like this there would be no benefit for him to stay other than academically to work on his masters.

[XUGRAD80]

Just because they all could return doesn't mean that Xavier will be willing to take them all back. There are recruits coming in.

They have 2 signed. If Scruggs and Carter leave as expected, those recruits have their spots. If others leave they will have room to bring some transfers in.

[markchal]

isn't there some flexibility with scholarship numbers because of the extra eligibility though?

[GIMMFD]

If Johnson keeps playing like this there would be no benefit for him to stay other than academically to work on his masters.

That's kind of what I was thinking, hate it because I'd love to have him back for another year, but also love it because man, what a great pick-up, I mean the guy is literally shooting 57.9% from behind the arc, and takes around 5 or 6 a game. Impressive really.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Just because they all could return doesn't mean that Xavier will be willing to take them all back. There are recruits coming in.

Hence the part of my post that said "if Xavier wanted them back".

[D-West & PO-Z]

isn't there some flexibility with scholarship numbers because of the extra eligibility though?

This has been discussed and I looked it up, I believe there is but not sure that I was able to pin down the exact answer. If I come across it again I will post it.

[Lloyd Braun]

Transfers granted eligibility won’t count toward scholarship limits through 2021-2022

[MHettel]

isn't there some flexibility with scholarship numbers because of the extra eligibility though?

This is the problem. This whole idea is shortsighted.

Do the math.

Round number used for simplicity

350 NCAA D1 teams. 13 players per team.= 4,550 players

to keep it simple, assume not all players that come in as freshmen end up playing as seniors. So, lets assume the breakdown looks like this:
1,300 Freshmen
1,150 Soph
1,025 Juniors
1,000 Seniors

At the end of each year, the 1000 Seniors exhaust their eligibility, then you need the 75 juniors to drop out, 75 sophs to drop out and 150 Freshmen to drop out to open up the 1300 spots for next years Freshmen. Follow?

Suddenly, the 1000 Seniors can come back! Lets just assume 300 of them do decide to come back. Where does that come from? Well, 300 otherwise normally deserving incoming Freshmen get screwed out of a scholarship opportunity. And then the next year, you need 1600 Freshmen to balance everything out. Brilliant

So, we have this sympathy for current Seniors, and made some changes and didn't think AT ALL about the consequences for the next 2 classes coming in.

WHY?

[MHettel]

Transfers granted eligibility won’t count toward scholarship limits through 2021-2022

Ok, so now teams have to give out more scholarships? In a year where revenue was DECIMATED due to Covid 19, we follow it up with a season where the school may need to fund more scholarship.

You would think that people in the "college industry" might actually have some fucking brains. How is this a good idea?

[Lloyd Braun]

Ok, so now teams have to give out more scholarships? In a year where revenue was DECIMATED due to Covid 19, we follow it up with a season where the school may need to fund more scholarship.

You would think that people in the "college industry" might actually have some fucking brains. How is this a good idea?

Technically they don’t have to as scholarships are annual renewals. But if they want to they can. It’s a good idea because it is the right thing to do, and they did the right thing for once. Does this negatively affect each school all that much?

[xuwillie]

It will affect the other sports not so much football and basketball. I think you'll see more and more sports being cut. Universities are hurting for sure

[XUGRAD80]

Ok, so now teams have to give out more scholarships? In a year where revenue was DECIMATED due to Covid 19, we follow it up with a season where the school may need to fund more scholarship.

You would think that people in the "college industry" might actually have some fucking brains. How is this a good idea?

It’s completely up to each school if they want to expand the roaster beyond 13. There is no requirement for them to do so. In addition, there is no guarantee that the player will want to return. For example, Naji would have returned for this year but decided to try and go pro. Carter and Scruggs will both be 23 before the season is over. Can’t see either of them wanting to return for a SIXTH year. I would guess that no more than 25-30% of schools will actually face a situation where they have players that want to stay and would need to expand the roster in order for them to do so. Heck, a lot of schools (and Xavier is one) routinely carry less than than the 13 maximum on their roster on a yearly basis. The last couple of years X has been able to give a scholly to a walk-on because they didn’t have anyone else using it. This expansion wouldn’t have gone through if the presidents and athletic directors weren’t in favor of it and thought that they could do it. They did the same thing for the spring athletes from last year, but in many cases the schools simply said that they weren’t going to offer because they couldn’t afford it. It sucks to be that player that lost their senior year (believe me I know from personal experience how much that sucks and never stops sucking), but it’s a reality that it will happen to some. One good thing is that if a player doesn’t have the opportunity to return to their present school for an additional year, they might just have an opportunity elsewhere and won’t have to sit. That’s not the best scenario, but it will be an option for some.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ok, so now teams have to give out more scholarships? In a year where revenue was DECIMATED due to Covid 19, we follow it up with a season where the school may need to fund more scholarship.

You would think that people in the "college industry" might actually have some fucking brains. How is this a good idea?

The schools don't HAVE to do anything.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Technically they don’t have to as scholarships are annual renewals. But if they want to they can. It’s a good idea because it is the right thing to do, and they did the right thing for once. Does this negatively affect each school all that much?

Yeah my thoughts too.

[bobbiemcgee]

PO_Z You ever drop in here?

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/david-west-on-his-nba-journey-xavier-cincinnati-rivalry/id1529937541?i=1000494865106

[paulxu]

Waiting for the NET to come out, Warren Nolan keeps updating the old RPI (just for fun I guess).

X at 17 has moved ahead of Villanova and Louisville.

Edit: I think we are the only 8-0 team in the country.

[waggy]

I don't expect the NET rating to be very good.

[waggy]

Edit: I think we are the only 8-0 team in the country.


Chattanooga and Drake are both also 8-0.

[D-West & PO-Z]

PO_Z You ever drop in here?

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/david-west-on-his-nba-journey-xavier-cincinnati-rivalry/id1529937541?i=1000494865106

I have heard that. Loved it.

[paulxu]

The value of the deep bench this season is reflected in fresh legs to get better shots in the second half, and rested players to go full out on defense.
Although the latter can use some tightening up, this will be a much different season than last.
We missed 18 shots in the first half, but only 8 in the second.
Here's hoping the good shooting continues !

[Xuperman]

Missed out on TWO big time resume builders yesterday. Bradley loses a real heart breaker at #14 Missouri 54-53 on a last second 3 point play and Oklahoma couldn't protect it's home floor, losing 69-67 to #15 TTU. Man, that just sucks.

It still helps our NET some doesn't it?

[Xuperman]

Nice to see the Sooners beat a very, very good WVU squad. That bodes well down the line. So far, our resume is really respectable. We cracked the T25 and the CU/SHU losses will not be a problem. Let's get locked and loaded and go hunting for some more W's.

[Olsingledigit]

Nice to see the Sooners beat a very, very good WVU squad. That bodes well down the line. So far, our resume is really respectable. We cracked the T25 and the CU/SHU losses will not be a problem. Let's get locked and loaded and go hunting for some more W's.

I agree

[XUBison]

Nice to see the Sooners beat a very, very good WVU squad. That bodes well down the line. So far, our resume is really respectable. We cracked the T25 and the CU/SHU losses will not be a problem. Let's get locked and loaded and go hunting for some more W's.

On the flipside, UC lost to Tulsa tonight, falling to 2-6.

[Masterofreality]

Nice to see the Sooners beat a very, very good WVU squad. That bodes well down the line. So far, our resume is really respectable. We cracked the T25 and the CU/SHU losses will not be a problem. Let's get locked and loaded and go hunting for some more W's.

#Concur 100

[paulxu]

Normally I would start my pregame Nova ritual about now; opening bottle of Makers.
This pandemic sucks big time.

(yes, that also might be the ritual for every game)

[Lloyd Braun]

Fuck we have covid again. Seton hall game postponed.

https://twitter.com/xaviermbb/status/1349880262243581954?s=21

[Xavier]

Man, going to be a long year. Big East should have tried to be more creative. Back to backs, etc.

[Xville]

Fuck

[GoMuskies]

I don't know. I watched us play SH last time. Kind of relieved.

[Lloyd Braun]

I don't know. I watched us play SH last time. Kind of relieved.

For no good reason I was feeling better about this game than the last.

[GoMuskies]

Me, too. Just trying to make lemonade.

[D-West & PO-Z]

For no good reason I was feeling better about this game than the last.

Ha same.

Plus we were going to get UConn at UConn without their best player. Damn.

[UCGRAD4X]

For no good reason I was feeling better about this game than the last.

Maybe because it could not have gone much worse?

Worse 3pt team goes off and (what was) the best team's bombs bomb.

[xukeith]

Maybe because it could not have gone much worse?

Worse 3pt team goes off and (what was) the best team's bombs bomb.

X is the BE worst 3 point shooting team through 5 BE games.

[GIMMFD]

X is the BE worst 3 point shooting team through 5 BE games.

No idea on just Big East games, but if you look at the overall body of work, X is 6th tied with Georgetown with Butler, St. John's, Seton Hall, and Providence as worse.

[UCGRAD4X]

X is the BE worst 3 point shooting team through 5 BE games.

That's what I'm saying. The worm has turned.

[Lloyd Braun]

UConn game postponed... mums the word

[drudy23]

UConn game postponed... mums the word

Are you serious? JFC!

[markchal]

The Big East massively blew it...they should have scheduled back-to-backs and been more creative with getting in as many games as they could've. I think they did not expect as many disruptions as there have been, which, 10 months into this, seems very dumb.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/1351212773607436291/photo/1

[Xville]

this is starting to get ridiculous

[markchal]

what other BE programs have had more than 1 shutdown so far? Nova and DePaul are worse off than we are, but I don't know about the rest.

Hugely disappointing.

[MADXSTER]

And with students now coming back on campus' it is going to be much tougher.

[XUGRAD80]

I just don’t see a scenario where this season gets completed

[paulxu]

I think in the imaginary Covid world of basketball, my Pick the Score prediction won.

[XUGRAD80]

According to the report it’s a problem with a tier-1 STAFF member

[Xavier]

To Xavier’s credit they got in a ton of games and scheduled well for non conference. Big East seemed to drop the ball, x had 2 weeks of not playing during big East play while heathy. Think the Big East needed to be proactive to find a game or two in that stretch for X to play.

[bleedXblue]

I predicted very early on this year no more than 17 regular season games would be completed by the end of Feb.........

[bleedXblue]

I don't think A LOT of people really know and understand how hard it is to quarantine for 10 days, let alone having to do that multiple times throughout the season. It may get to a point where schools start saying enough is enough and just opt out.

[Xville]

According to the report it’s a problem with a tier-1 STAFF member

so, is this the second positive case in this quarantine? If it is the first one, why wasn't the game cancelled before today?

[Xavier]

It may get to a point where schools start saying enough is enough and just opt out.

Depends how many schools and athletic departments aren’t relying on the TV money and tournament money. If they opt out do they still get cuts of conference NCAA tournament money?

[D-West & PO-Z]

According to the report it’s a problem with a tier-1 STAFF member

Which still sucks since the players have to quarantine right? Can't practice or workout?

[D-West & PO-Z]

so, is this the second positive case in this quarantine? If it is the first one, why wasn't the game cancelled before today?

When they didn't cancel UConn right away I was thinking maybe it was a second level support person and as long as now ore positives arose they would play. But seeing it is a LEVEL 1 or Tier 1 staff (if that is right) I dont know why UConn game would not have been postponed sooner.

Unless you are right and this is the 2nd positive case to arise?

[MHettel]

This is a disappointment, and I'm looking squarely at the Athletic Department for what is now 3 separate instances where there was either exposure, or actual contracting of the virus.

Cmon. Get your shit together and stop the high risk interactions.

The Seattle Seahawks had a 17 week regular season with a 53 player roster and probably 10 coaches and managed to have ZERO players miss ANY time.

And we cant get 13 dudes to comply with some basic principles of minimizing exposure?

annoying

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is a disappointment, and I'm looking squarely at the Athletic Department for what is now 3 separate instances where there was either exposure, or actual contracting of the virus.

Cmon. Get your shit together and stop the high risk interactions.

The Seattle Seahawks had a 17 week regular season with a 53 player roster and probably 10 coaches and managed to have ZERO players miss ANY time.

And we cant get 13 dudes to comply with some basic principles of minimizing exposure?

annoying

Well apparently the players are allowed to go anywhere anytime with anyone anyplace. :lmao:

[EastCoastXman]

According to the BE, maybe only getting 18 games in or so. So now we have Nova, Uconn and Seton Hall to make up. If 2 of those 3 don't get played, we will have a much weaker BE schedule and hopefully we will have a better record against the bottom of the league. Don't see Jay Wright making up our game at Cintas. They have already missed 5 games.

On another note, I have been asking all year why they wouldn't move games up. No team should be on break for a week if they are healthy. Move games from the back end of the schedule so we would have open dates for make-ups. If X is ready to go by Fri/Sat, league should move up either our game at St John's, or Gtown at X. All 3 teams are open this weekend. Play Gtown back to back! who cares just PLAY!

[XUGRAD80]

We don’t know if this was one of the players, a coach, a manager, or someone else on the staff. It only takes one person having a breakdown to ruin it for the other 20-30. You’re not going to be able to put all these people into a bubble where their coming and going is controlled 24/7 for weeks upon weeks. Coaches and staff have families and outside lives. Players are still going to class. Players still have to visit the library, chow hall, labs, etc. in addition to the dorms and athletic facilities. Even if they never left campus, they still would stand a chance of accidental exposure.

[JTG]

According to the BE, maybe only getting 18 games in or so. So now we have Nova, Uconn and Seton Hall to make up. If 2 of those 3 don't get played, we will have a much weaker BE schedule and hopefully we will have a better record against the bottom of the league. Don't see Jay Wright making up our game at Cintas. They have already missed 5 games.

On another note, I have been asking all year why they wouldn't move games up. No team should be on break for a week if they are healthy. Move games from the back end of the schedule so we would have open dates for make-ups. If X is ready to go by Fri/Sat, league should move up either our game at St John's, or Gtown at X. All 3 teams are open this weekend. Play Gtown back to back! who cares just PLAY!

I asked Adam Baum this same question on one of his tweets. Haven't seen a reply yet. Also is anyone of the positive tests actually sick ? Just curious.

[JTG]

https://twitter.com/AdamJBaum/status/1351246880060157954?s=09

[bleedXblue]

This is a disappointment, and I'm looking squarely at the Athletic Department for what is now 3 separate instances where there was either exposure, or actual contracting of the virus.

Cmon. Get your shit together and stop the high risk interactions.

The Seattle Seahawks had a 17 week regular season with a 53 player roster and probably 10 coaches and managed to have ZERO players miss ANY time.

And we cant get 13 dudes to comply with some basic principles of minimizing exposure?

annoying

People have to work and live their lives. I'm assuming the coaches go home at night with their spouses and kids? Kids go to school. Wives and husbands have to work. What am I missing?

[bleedXblue]

We don’t know if this was one of the players, a coach, a manager, or someone else on the staff. It only takes one person having a breakdown to ruin it for the other 20-30. You’re not going to be able to put all these people into a bubble where their coming and going is controlled 24/7 for weeks upon weeks. Coaches and staff have families and outside lives. Players are still going to class. Players still have to visit the library, chow hall, labs, etc. in addition to the dorms and athletic facilities. Even if they never left campus, they still would stand a chance of accidental exposure.

I don't know why this is hard for some people to grasp.....

[MHettel]

I don't know why this is hard for some people to grasp.....


If you want to just chalk it up to a case of bad luck, then all the power to you.

I happen to believe that your likelihood of catching it is directly related to your willingness to engage in risky activities. And, we are now facing the third shutdown this season. So, I'm concluding that there have been some risky activity.

Not rocket science. Just regular science.

[XUGRAD80]

If you want to just chalk it up to a case of bad luck, then all the power to you.

I happen to believe that your likelihood of catching it is directly related to your willingness to engage in risky activities. And, we are now facing the third shutdown this season. So, I'm concluding that there have been some risky activity.

Not rocket science. Just regular science.

Why throw them all under the bus? By not accusing a particular person, you accuse them all. By not saying what constitutes “risky behavior”, you leave all behavior to be judged as such. Just being a college student, or working on a college campus, is more risk than the majority of the population sees on a regular basis. My grandkids, just by attending in-person class, are more at risk than I am. Yet I wouldn’t call that “risky behavior”, or accuse them of such when their teacher contacts COVID and the school is shut down(which has happened).

[drudy23]

Why throw them all under the bus? By not accusing a particular person, you accuse them all. By not saying what constitutes “risky behavior”, you leave all behavior to be judged as such. Just being a college student, or working on a college campus, is more risk than the majority of the population sees on a regular basis. My grandkids, just by attending in-person class, are more at risk than I am. Yet I wouldn’t call that “risky behavior”, or accuse them of such when their teacher contacts COVID and the school is shut down(which has happened).

I also find it hilarious that people don't realize people can do everything right and still get this. It boggles the mind.