Basketball tickets

[X-man]

Got an e-mail this morning...no more paper basketball tickets. Everyone must use their smartphones to show their "tickets" this year. Don't know what someone does if they don't have a smartphone, something that described me until last year. Of course who knows whether there will be a season.

[drudy23]

There’s gonna be a season. They can’t afford not to.

[X-man]

There’s gonna be a season. They can’t afford not to.

It won't be their decision. The league decides for them.

[94GRAD]

They aren't allowing fans who don't have smartphones print them off at home either!

[paulxu]

They aren't allowing fans who don't have smartphones print them off at home either!

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Don't they just scan the printed ticket?
Are they worried about covid on the tickets in the waste can?

[basket]

First off thanks for the heads up! This MAY be a issue for my 80 year old parents who are season ticket holders.

[X-man]

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Don't they just scan the printed ticket?
Are they worried about covid on the tickets in the waste can?

I agree. I am reasonably certain that they will rethink their policy, and allow people to print their own tickets. This presupposes that they can do this even when there is some convoluted ticket distribution process created by covid policy.

[xu82]

I’ve been thru this with NFL, NHL and MLS games. No paper tickets is a pain in the ass! At a Bills game when Atlanta’s new stadium opened it was a nightmare. You need to have a certain App, then there was something in location services in my phone that wasn’t the way they wanted it. (I don’t think they need to be able to track me all the time, so once inside you need to know how to turn it off.) I had to go to three different Falcons IT people before some guy was able to get it fixed. This isn’t because I’m “Tech illiterate”, their own IT people couldn’t get me in the damn stadium.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Called ticket office. The party line is this change is all about "safety". What a crock of shit! They scan the ticket and throw it away. If they wanted the ticket holder could place the ticket under the scanner and throw it away themselves once admitted to Cintas. No one else would ever need to handle it.

This is not about safety. If this was really about 'safety", there would be no fans, at all. Rather, this is an example of Athletic Dept. arrogance. They have wanted to do this for awhile. Think about it. They change their policy, with ZERO ADVANCE NOTICE, under cover of COVID.

These guys are arrogant douches. F**k them!

[bjf123]

Yep. Got the same email. As others have said, there has to be an option for people without smartphones. I wonder if I’ll be able to have both tickets on my phone or if I’ll have to “send” one to my wife’s phone? She won’t like that.


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[xukeith]

By the time the vaccine is available (January and February) there might not be any season for us fans BUT here is hoping the tickets are the least of our problems

[nuts4xu]

I went to a Cavaliers game a few years ago, and it was the same thing. I had the impression this was the norm for their tickets, and paper tickets weren't available. It sounds like a "green" thing to do, and I think this will become more common for all events.

[Xavier]

Not sure how they will do it with people who don't have smartphones. I am sure they will figure it out. Safety is an odd one- because whenever I had a paper copy I'd hold the paper one out just like I do with my phone.

[xu82]

Yep. Got the same email. As others have said, there has to be an option for people without smartphones. I wonder if I’ll be able to have both tickets on my phone or if I’ll have to “send” one to my wife’s phone? She won’t like that.


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I thought it was all electronic until last year when I bought Bills tickets from a buddy and he had paper tickets. I was skeptical but had met him at games before so he wasn’t intentionally ripping me off....and the tickets worked! I asked how he got paper tickets and he had no answer. Apparently they DO still exist in some cases.

[xu82]

I went to a Cavaliers game a few years ago, and it was the same thing. I had the impression this was the norm for their tickets, and paper tickets weren't available. It sounds like a "green" thing to do, and I think this will become more common for all events.

I think the reason they cite is electronic provides more security against fraud. Buying fake tickets is a real risk and supposedly this lessens that risk to some extent......or that’s what they claim. I think it’s mostly easier and cheaper for the teams.

We bought tickets online for a Braves game once at the old stadium. The tickets worked at the gate, but we couldn’t find our seats. We had two ushers trying to figure it out, and it turns out those seats did NOT EXIST. Huh? They gave us some primo seats to sit in for that game, much better than we would have paid for ourselves.

[X-man]

Called ticket office. The party line is this change is all about "safety". What a crock of shit! They scan the ticket and throw it away. If they wanted the ticket holder could place the ticket under the scanner and throw it away themselves once admitted to Cintas. No one else would ever need to handle it.

This is not about safety. If this was really about 'safety", there would be no fans, at all. Rather, this is an example of Athletic Dept. arrogance. They have wanted to do this for awhile. Think about it. They change their policy, with ZERO ADVANCE NOTICE, under cover of COVID.

These guys are arrogant douches. F**k them!

I agree that it has nothing to do with except beyond the fact that they need to cut costs along with the rest of the University because of covid. As their e-mail states, one reason for the change ( the fourth and last reason on the list, which means that in fact it's the primary reason for the change) is to be "fiscally responsible" and save the $40K in printing and mailing costs. I have no problem with that, but they need to allow people to print off their tickets (and absorb the printing costs themselves) if they choose. I wrote them and suggested making that an option because they surely don't want to make owning a smartphone a precondition for buying men's basketball tickets. I suggest that others write them as well. Let's make sure that "this aggression will not stand", to quote the immortal Dude who himself was quoting President George Herbert Walker Bush.

[TUclutch]

It’s 2020. Buy a damn smartphone. They’re are plenty of non expensive ones.
Or maybe you all would prefer they up the premium and ticket prices to cover the printing and shipping?
Mobile tickets are the future. Get with the program.

[X-man]

It’s 2020. But a damn smartphone. They’re are plenty of non expensive ones.
Or maybe you all would prefer they up the premium and ticket prices to cover the printing and shipping?

No, just let people print their own tickets...something that costs the U nothing if they are sent by e-mail.

[bjf123]

Called ticket office. The party line is this change is all about "safety". What a crock of shit! They scan the ticket and throw it away. If they wanted the ticket holder could place the ticket under the scanner and throw it away themselves once admitted to Cintas. No one else would ever need to handle it.

This is not about safety. If this was really about 'safety", there would be no fans, at all. Rather, this is an example of Athletic Dept. arrogance. They have wanted to do this for awhile. Think about it. They change their policy, with ZERO ADVANCE NOTICE, under cover of COVID.

These guys are arrogant douches. F**k them!

Maybe I’m doing it wrong, but the ticket taker never touches my tickets. I hold them so that the bar codes are visible so they can easily scan them at the turnstile. I then put them in my pocket.


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[X-man]

Maybe I’m doing it wrong, but the ticket taker never touches my tickets. I hold them so that the bar codes are visible so they can easily scan them at the turnstile. I then put them in my pocket.


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Correct. Safety has NOTHING to do with it. It's cost, pure and simple. But why not save the cost, and allow ticket holders to print their own tickets?

[paulxu]

Xavier Basketball...brought to you by Apple and Samsung.

Want to see a game in person? Buy a phone.

[coasterville95]

Last year you could pay a modest fee to get paper tickets, this year not so much.

To hide behind Covid as the reason is silly though. Call it increased ticket security but not health. As has been said most of us just held out our tickets and the person scanned them A a touch free experience.


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[xu82]

Last year you could pay a modest fee to get paper tickets, this year not so much.

To hide behind Covid as the reason is silly though. Call it increased ticket security but not health. As has been said most of us just held out our tickets and the person scanned them A a touch free experience.


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I’d pay a little more for a paper ticket.

I’d pay A LOT more for an aisle seat.

I’ll just skip my annual pilgrimage this year and hope I can watch from home.

[muskiefan82]

You can have them both on your phone. I wanted to frame the tickets from last year (the 20 moments in CINTAS history) so I downloaded the tickets from GoXavier.com into my GooglePay app and they can be scanned from there. Just remember to have your phone charged before the game....

[chico]

Well how the hell am I going to get $4 off my next Mike's Car Wash?

Seriously, it's a poor excuse to try to save a few dollars. Fans should have the option if they want a paper ticket. We're talking 40k to print 10k season ticket packets - $4/packet. Charge $10/packet and you end up saving the 40k plus making a few dollars.

[muskiefan82]

You can have them both on your phone. I wanted to frame the tickets from last year (the 20 moments in CINTAS history) so I downloaded the tickets from GoXavier.com into my GooglePay app and they can be scanned from there. Just remember to have your phone charged before the game....

I guess now it's a collectors item....

[deepX]

I suggest that others write them as well. Let's make sure that "this aggression will not stand", to quote the immortal Dude who himself was quoting President George Herbert Walker Bush.[/QUOTE]

I actually forgot what this thread is about. I'm still in shock from seeing X-man quoting GHWB.!!
Now say it with me "No new taxes!".

[xeus]

I agree that this is a stupid call by X. No paper tickets? How am I supposed to scalp my extra for the Ferris State game?
That said, I don’t think it matters much because we’ll not be spending much time inside Cintas Center this year.
I talked to Brett Sanders in the ticket office yesterday. Good guy. Tough spot. Sounds like X plans to be plenty flexible w refunding seat deposits and ticket payments, or allowing those payments to roll over to next year.

[xu82]

I agree that this is a stupid call by X. No paper tickets? How am I supposed to scalp my extra for the Ferris State game?
That said, I don’t think it matters much because we’ll not be spending much time inside Cintas Center this year.
I talked to Brett Sanders in the ticket office yesterday. Good guy. Tough spot. Sounds like X plans to be plenty flexible w refunding seat deposits and ticket payments, or allowing those payments to roll over to next year.

I bought electronic Bills tickets from a buddy, and you can just forward them to the buyer, like an email. He made fun of me because I couldn’t open it on my phone. I had added the necessary app (good luck if you don’t have your iPhone ID and password, which I never use but with warning I did the app in advance of traveling), but couldn’t make it open. After giving me grief, he couldn’t make it work either, but fortunately we were at the same tailgate so I just walked in with him. This is DEFINITELY something that needs to be improved from an IT standpoint. I HATE it as of my most recent experiences. Hope they have it worked out.

[XU_Lou]

So I emailed the ticket office about this. Here's their response:

"We are currently internally discussing some other options to provide for fans without a mobile device. We have several fans in the same situation as you and are working to find a safe alternative solution to mobile for fans such as yourself. I will add you to our list and we will be reaching out once we have determined a safe alternate delivery method."

[xeus]

So I emailed the ticket office about this. Here's their response:

"We are currently internally discussing some other options to provide for fans without a mobile device. We have several fans in the same situation as you and are working to find a safe alternative solution to mobile for fans such as yourself. I will add you to our list and we will be reaching out once we have determined a safe alternate delivery method."

So they are doubling down on the “safety” concern? Hmmm. The “safe alternate delivery method” is a “paper ticket.”

[xu82]

So they are doubling down on the “safety” concern? Hmmm. The “safe alternate delivery method” is a “paper ticket.”

I wonder, are they alluding to “Covid safety”, or are they referring to the safety of fraudulently printed tickets? This supposed battle against fraudulent tickets has been around longer than Covid.

[paulxu]

are working to find a safe alternative solution to mobile for fans such as yourself."

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[basket]

So I emailed the ticket office about this. Here's their response:

"We are currently internally discussing some other options to provide for fans without a mobile device. We have several fans in the same situation as you and are working to find a safe alternative solution to mobile for fans such as yourself. I will add you to our list and we will be reaching out once we have determined a safe alternate delivery method."

So do I need to get my 80 year old parents to call XU to "get on this list"? Thanks for these updates!!

[bleedXblue]

I don't get too worked up anymore about this kind of stuff. I do think they need another option to print on your own if you wish. Even if X has to charge an additional fee. I don't see the difference in safety between you holding your phone and scanning the bar code vs you holding a piece of paper and scanning the same exact bar code?

[muskiefan82]

I don't get too worked up anymore about this kind of stuff. I do think they need another option to print on your own if you wish. Even if X has to charge an additional fee. I don't see the difference in safety between you holding your phone and scanning the bar code vs you holding a piece of paper and scanning the same exact bar code?

In reality, your phone is likely loaded with more bacteria and viruses than any piece of paper you just printed off

[bleedXblue]

In reality, your phone is likely loaded with more bacteria and viruses than any piece of paper you just printed off

exactly

[X-man]

After getting a second e-mail with the same information on tickets, I looked at the FAQ's. I then wrote them and said that they needed to add a FAQ along the lines of "What am I to do if I don't own a smartphone?". I followed with, and please don't say the answer is "You cannot purchase your season tickets. Here's your refund.".

I got a quick response saying that they are looking into how to handle such people, and plan to "add me to the list" of people needing some other arrangement. Creating list from respondents asking how to get their tickets strikes me as a particularly bone-headed way to "solve" the problem. A better solution would be to send a third e-mail asking people to request a "print ticket" option if they don't want the smartphone route. I'm guessing that they'll figure that out before setting the amended policy.

[xukeith]

What do scalpers do? What about 333-SEAT?

[drudy23]

Papergate!!!!

[xuphan]

Papergate!!!!

Do you get a refund or partial refund if there isn’t a season or some home games are cancelled?

[94GRAD]

Do you get a refund or partial refund if there isn’t a season or some home games are cancelled?

Do you really think the school would not refund money on games not played?

[X-man]

Do you really think the school would not refund money on games not played?

Of course not, especially given the fact that they are on record about giving a full refund for tickets and seat licenses on any games not played or available for attending. So xuphan, calm down. It will be OK.

[xuphan]

Of course not, especially given the fact that they are on record about giving a full refund for tickets and seat licenses on any games not played or available for attending. So xuphan, calm down. It will be OK.

It was just a question sweetie. Calm down and take a step back from the ledge. I hadn’t heard the full policy for next year so I asked.

[94GRAD]

It was just a question sweetie. Calm down and take a step back from the ledge. I hadn’t heard the full policy for next year so I asked.

You obviously aren't a season ticket holder.

[X-man]

You obviously aren't a season ticket holder.

Or a very careful reader of posts on this board. See, for example, posts 15-17 on the thread "Xavier games on television only?". You'd think that someone who is as big a "fan" (wink, wink) as xuphan would have been all over the thread wondering about Xavier games only being on television.

[xuphan]

You obviously aren't a season ticket holder.

I’m not a season ticket holder by asking a question about the season during a pandemic?

[xuphan]

Or a very careful reader of posts on this board. See, for example, posts 15-17 on the thread "Xavier games on television only?". You'd think that someone who is as big a "fan" (wink, wink) as xuphan would have been all over the thread wondering about Xavier games only being on television.

Didn’t read through all of the posts sweetie. I have a life outside of this message board that you seem to live on X-Troll. If you don’t like what I post, you can hit the ignore button X-Troll.

[94GRAD]

I’m not a season ticket holder by asking a question about the season during a pandemic?

Season ticket holders have received multiple emails giving updates on potential refunds, new seating possibilities, and how tickets, as of now, will be mobile-only. So no, you're not a season ticket holder for asking that question during a pandemic.

[xuphan]

Reason ticket holders have received multiple emails giving updates on potential refunds, new seating possibilities, and how tickets, as of now, will be mobile-only. So no, you're not a season ticket holder for asking that question during a pandemic.

You started out so well and then had to finish by posting garbage. Don’t become Fake news.

[94GRAD]

[B]

You started out so well and then had to finish by posting garbage. Don’t become Fake news.

Let me articulate so you can understand. WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE NOT A SEASON TICKET HOLDER!

[xuphan]

Let me articulate so you can understand. WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE NOT A SEASON TICKET HOLDER!

Let me articulate so you can understand. I AM A SEASON TICKET HOLDER! I can also play this silly game if you would like. YOU ARE NOT A XAVIER GRADUATE!

[94GRAD]

Yes, there are a lot of people who do not see COVID as an issue. A lot of people here in the rural south believe that it is just the flu and any attempts by the government to address COVID is seen as a way for the government to control you. Amazing how many people believe this.



This is a quote from you in the Covid Thread. Where do you live in the rural south and still have season tickets? Why did you ask the question about refunds when season ticket holders were updated on possible options?

[xuphan]

Yes, there are a lot of people who do not see COVID as an issue. A lot of people here in the rural south believe that it is just the flu and any attempts by the government to address COVID is seen as a way for the government to control you. Amazing how many people believe this.



This is a quote from you in the Covid Thread. Where do you live in the rural south and still have season tickets? Why did you ask the question about refunds when season ticket holders were updated on possible options?

I live in northern Kentucky which is referred to as the south. I asked about refunds because I did not know. I must have missed it in the email if it was in there. I don’t get the hate for asking questions on here. You didn’t have to respond if you have an issue with what I said. But to try to insult me is going a bit far. If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.

[paulxu]

Northern Kentucky may be a lot of things...rural South is not one of them.

Perhaps you should reconsider the tone you use with other posters; they are mostly responding to your tone.
Somehow, with only a few hundred posts, you have managed to become #3 on the red dot list, right behind _LH.
That's quite an accomplishment.

Good luck in sorting it all out.

[xuphan]

Northern Kentucky may be a lot of things...rural South is not one of them.

Perhaps you should reconsider the tone you use with other posters; they are mostly responding to your tone.
Somehow, with only a few hundred posts, you have managed to become #3 on the red dot list, right behind _LH.
That's quite an accomplishment.

Good luck in sorting it all out.

Perhaps you should research why I would use the tone that I do before posting about it. If you are going to insult me, expect to get it right back. Also, this is a message board. Message boards are for people to post the thoughts and opinions on things. If you donÂ’t like what I post, find the ignore button. You seem to get all giddy inside if someone give you a green dot. Who cares. Do you get a free Skyline Chili gift card for getting so many green dots. I could care less what color my dots are and have no desire to sort it out. I will express my opinions on the program whether they are good or bad. I wonÂ’t be like some who think Xavier canÂ’t do anything wrong to win a few green dots. Not realistic or true for that matter. Get the facts before trying to attack someone on here.

[paulxu]

That's not an attack son.
You'll know it if one comes.
Tried to help. Sorry it didn't work.

Thanks for the red dot.

[basket]

That's not an attack son.
You'll know it if one comes.
Tried to help. Sorry it didn't work.

Thanks for the red dot.

Wow in the past Ive been the brunt of attacks!? paulxu you did the right thing!!

[xuphan]

That's not an attack son.
You'll know it if one comes.
Tried to help. Sorry it didn't work.

Thanks for the red dot.

Most certainly was an attack. Why would you send a message directed to me about my tone? Did you every look at why I might be using the tone or words that I did? I can answer that for you. You did not. You have no idea why I used the tone that I did. Did you ask me why I am using the tone? To get an understanding of my point of view? No, you just assumed I was the one who started it. So no, you didn’t try to help. You accused me of being the instigator without getting the facts.

[xeus]

xuphan, just stop now.

[murray87]

Now THIS is how you derail a thread. Sheesh.......

[basket]

Most certainly was an attack. Why would you send a message directed to me about my tone? Did you every look at why I might be using the tone or words that I did? I can answer that for you. You did not. You have no idea why I used the tone that I did. Did you ask me why I am using the tone? To get an understanding of my point of view? No, you just assumed I was the one who started it. So no, you didn’t try to help. You accused me of being the instigator without getting the facts.

paulxu wasn't trying to attack you and like he said he was TRYING to be kind!! Now, 94grad was being a jerk. IF you are going to pick on someone pick on 94 NOT paul!!!

[X-man]

C'mon, people. Just put that troll, xuphan, on "Ignore". And please stop quoting him/her as well. If we all do that, the poor little troll will just go away. Trolls feed on reactions, so we all need to stop feeding the troll.

[xuphan]

paulxu wasn't trying to attack you and like he said he was TRYING to be kind!! Now, 94grad was being a jerk. IF you are going to pick on someone pick on 94 NOT paul!!!

So why isn’t Paulxu calling out 94grad and x-man for their “tone”? I find it funny that I am getting called out when 94grad and x-man are being jerks. See the above post from x-man paulxu. Let me know what tone I should use to react to x-man.

[Xavier]

You sure are sensitive. Sheesh

[basket]

So why isn’t Paulxu calling out 94grad and x-man for their “tone”? I find it funny that I am getting called out when 94grad and x-man are being jerks. See the above post from x-man paulxu. Let me know what tone I should use to react to x-man.

In my judgement youve got a few options. 1. tell him, 94grad and x-man, to go blow and then end the conversation! 2. End the conversation. 3. Never come on this board again.

Good luck in your future endevors as I am done with this conversation! Oh Go X!!

[xu82]

C'mon, people. Just put that troll, xuphan, on "Ignore". And please stop quoting him/her as well. If we all do that, the poor little troll will just go away. Trolls feed on reactions, so we all need to stop feeding the troll.

Exactly.

When one person has a problem with everyone else, the problem is rarely everyone else. I don’t have anyone on “ignore”, I just do it the old fashioned way.

[X-band '01]

For 2020-21, a cutout of a fan is the new season ticket. That is one brilliant thing that baseball has come up with during these times.

[xuphan]

Exactly.

When one person has a problem with everyone else, the problem is rarely everyone else. I don’t have anyone on “ignore”, I just do it the old fashioned way.

I think people on here forget that this is a message board. People share their thoughts and opinions on here. If you don’t agree with my opinions, that’s fine. You don’t have to be a jerk about it.

[bjf123]

Looks like the deadline to opt out of attending games this season is September 18.


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[Final4]

Looks like the deadline to opt out of attending games this season is September 18.


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What does this mean exactly? I haven't received anything from X recently announcing any changes or new deadlines. I have paid for my season tickets in full. I was told (and have it in writing) that if I can't attend games or games will be limited I am entitled to either a full refund (including seat license) or a credit against next season's tickets. Have they announced somewhere what the attendance guidelines will be for the upcoming season?

[SM#24]

What does this mean exactly? I haven't received anything from X recently announcing any changes or new deadlines. I have paid for my season tickets in full. I was told (and have it in writing) that if I can't attend games or games will be limited I am entitled to either a full refund (including seat license) or a credit against next season's tickets. Have they announced somewhere what the attendance guidelines will be for the upcoming season?

You should have received an email yesterday.


We hope this message finds you and your families safe and healthy. As we approach the beginning of basketball season, we are continuing to work on determining the best ways to make Cintas Center accessible for you. At this time, there is still much uncertainty surrounding the timing and status of the basketball season, and whether we will be permitted to have fans in the stands should we host games on campus. While there is much planning yet to be done, we have determined a few things of note that will change for fans for the 2020-21 season in the event fans are permitted to attend.

1. All fans will be required to wear masks in the arena at all times, unless eating or drinking.
2. Golf cart shuttles will not be available.
3. Attendance and seating restrictions will be in place, based on the guidance of health officials and local and state government.

In light of the current climate, we realize that some of you may be more comfortable staying at home this year and returning next season. If you are still interested in attending games this season if fans are permitted, no action is needed from you. However, if you would like to Opt Out of coming to games this year, please click the button below.

OPT OUT

The deadline to Opt Out is Friday, September 18. Your responses will help us to develop a seating plan for fans who would like to attend games. If you choose to opt out, you'll receive information after the deadline regarding options for the money that you've paid toward this season.

Thank you for your continued support, and stay safe. Let's Go X!

[bleedXblue]

Opt out or do nothing

If i had to bet, I think we will have fans at games this year, but at a significantly reduced capacity

My guess is 25-50%

[xeus]

I opted out. I do hope we play, but I am content to skip the Cintas Center experience for this season.

I expect to just roll my payments over to next season. I think X will offer a refund option, but it's not like I won't be renewing so I will probably just let them hold on to my money for next year.

They better not screw with the seating chart for next season.

[XU 87]

I opted out. I do hope we play, but I am content to skip the Cintas Center experience for this season.



sissy.

[X-man]

Opt out or do nothing

If i had to bet, I think we will have fans at games this year, but at a significantly reduced capacity

My guess is 25-50%

Let's assume something in between, say 33%. If basketball is played, it will either start in November (18 home games) or January (conference only, 10 home games). In scenario one, those opting in would see 6 games; in scenario two, opting in would get you to 3-4 games. Of the two scenarios, I believe the second is more likely. And should the Cintas be restricted to 25%, scenario two means attending 2-3 games if you opt in. And of course if a vaccine becomes widely available by the first of the year, perhaps Cintas goes to normal capacity at some point.

What I am suggesting is that it is very hard to make an informed decision on opting in or opting out. In either case, Athletics has made it quite clear that any reduced season means a refund or credit on a proportional basis, so a refund or credit will likely occur whether you opt in or opt out. I am going to wait two weeks before deciding. But I am pretty sure that the situation will still be just as murky. However in two weeks, we should have a better idea as whether Xavier or other Big East schools will shut down in-person classes. That may add some clarity and therefore help a bit in this tough choice situation.

[Final4]

Let's assume something in between, say 33%. If basketball is played, it will either start in November (18 home games) or January (conference only, 10 home games). In scenario one, those opting in would see 6 games; in scenario two, opting in would get you to 3-4 games. Of the two scenarios, I believe the second is more likely. And should the Cintas be restricted to 25%, scenario two means attending 2-3 games if you opt in. And of course if a vaccine becomes widely available by the first of the year, perhaps Cintas goes to normal capacity at some point.

What I am suggesting is that it is very hard to make an informed decision on opting in or opting out. In either case, Athletics has made it quite clear that any reduced season means a refund or credit on a proportional basis, so a refund or credit will likely occur whether you opt in or opt out. I am going to wait two weeks before deciding. But I am pretty sure that the situation will still be just as murky. However in two weeks, we should have a better idea as whether Xavier or other Big East schools will shut down in-person classes. That may add some clarity and therefore help a bit in this tough choice situation.

I believe your logic is flawed as to the number of games you might attend if opting in.........may want to give that a bit more thought.

[xavier513]

I believe there are only 16 regular season home games this year (Wake Forest, Oklahoma, 4 Buy Games & 10 Big East Games). The Exhibition game would make it 17. Of course this is all subject to change.

[bleedXblue]

I believe your logic is flawed as to the number of games you might attend if opting in.........may want to give that a bit more thought.

I expect 30-40% opt out. Which leaves 60-70% of us to split up some games. If your going with true capacity numbers for season ticket holders which I think is near 8500-9,000 seats......that gives you 5,525 season ticket holders to split up tickets. 25% capacity of Cintas is around 2500 seats. So, we should worst case be able to see about half the games............

[surfxu]

I expect 30-40% opt out. Which leaves 60-70% of us to split up some games. If your going with true capacity numbers for season ticket holders which I think is near 8500-9,000 seats......that gives you 5,525 season ticket holders to split up tickets. 25% capacity of Cintas is around 2500 seats. So, we should worst case be able to see about half the games............

Seems logical. It will be like the actual attendance at a uc game against Tulane. All the other season ticket holders can tailgate in the parking lots if someone sets up one of those inflatable movie screens with a projector if they want to be part of the experience. Latest rumor is a start date of Nov 25th... not sure if that would be the start of "non-conference" season or that's the beginning of a bubble at a regional location with teams playing round robin type event. I vote for a pod with OSU, Louisville, KY, XU, NKU and Wright State.

[paulxu]

I vote for a pod with OSU, Louisville, KY, XU, NKU and Wright State.

It seems like there are one or two teams who are conspicuously absent.

[muskiefan82]

. I vote for a pod with OSU, Louisville, KY, XU, NKU and Wright State.


It seems like there are one or two teams who are conspicuously absent.

Miami and Western Kentucky?

[xukeith]

It seems like there are one or two teams who are conspicuously absent.

If I were UK or OSU I wouldn't play X or UC either.

[paulxu]

Miami and Western Kentucky?

hah!

[bjf123]

If you don’t opt out by the deadline, I guess you’re locked in to attend some yet to be determined number of games? I’d hate to be the ticket department. Whatever they do, some people are going to be mad.

I’m leaning towards opting out, but am hoping they’ll have more information by the 18th.


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[Lloyd Braun]

Slightly off topic but not really...I’m a bit curious to see what will happen with ticket prices (3rd party mostly) for events with limited capacity. Will they go up as supply/demand would think? How much would Chiefs fan pay to go to the game if there are 13k seats available if they usually pay $100/ticket, for instance?

[X-man]

I believe your logic is flawed as to the number of games you might attend if opting in.........may want to give that a bit more thought.

Let's see.....if only of 33% of ticketholders are allowed to attend any game, then each ticketholder would get tickets for 6 games in an 18 home game season, and 3-4 games in a 10 home game season. At 25% capacity, the numbers drop to 4-5 home games or 2-3 home games. The math is pretty straight forward. This presumes that everyone opts in. If half the ticketholders opt out, you can double the numbers. It's not rocket science.

[bleedXblue]

Slightly off topic but not really...I’m a bit curious to see what will happen with ticket prices (3rd party mostly) for events with limited capacity. Will they go up as supply/demand would think? How much would Chiefs fan pay to go to the game if there are 13k seats available if they usually pay $100/ticket, for instance?

You can bet the demand will be high and the prices will go up for sure. But the experience will be lousy IMHO. 13K fans in 70-80K seat stadiums will be totally void of the normal NFL experience.

[Final4]

Let's see.....if only of 33% of ticketholders are allowed to attend any game, then each ticketholder would get tickets for 6 games in an 18 home game season, and 3-4 games in a 10 home game season. At 25% capacity, the numbers drop to 4-5 home games or 2-3 home games. The math is pretty straight forward. This presumes that everyone opts in. If half the ticketholders opt out, you can double the numbers. It's not rocket science.

"It's not rocket science".......well maybe not for most people but you seem to be struggling with it.......just busting your balls brother.

In your original example you arrived at a conclusion (number of games you might be able to attend) based on two variables:

1) GAMES PLAYED - which you assumed to be 18
2) SEATING CAPACITY - which you assumed to be 33%

Based on the aforementioned assumptions you determined that those opting in could attend 6 games.

You failed to include the third variable necessary to accurately assess the situation:

3) SEAT DEMAND

If after the opt in/out process is completed and seat demand is only 2,500 seats (my assumption) then those opting in could attend 100% of the games.

[X-man]

"It's not rocket science".......well maybe not for most people but you seem to be struggling with it.......just busting your balls brother.

In your original example you arrived at a conclusion (number of games you might be able to attend) based on two variables:

1) GAMES PLAYED - which you assumed to be 18
2) SEATING CAPACITY - which you assumed to be 33%

Based on the aforementioned assumptions you determined that those opting in could attend 6 games.

You failed to include the third variable necessary to accurately assess the situation:

3) SEAT DEMAND

If after the opt in/out process is completed and seat demand is only 2,500 seats (my assumption) then those opting in could attend 100% of the games.

Wow, that's quite a (hidden) assumption! Because virtually all of the 9000 seats available to non-students are sold for every game, with at least 90% of those going to season ticketholders, your assumption of only 2500 tickets demanded after opt-out means that you are assuming that at least 2/3 of season ticketholders will choose to opt out. Perhaps you will be proven correct, but it is important to make clear your assumptions in making such projections.

[XUOWNSUC]

Mike DeWine just announced that the Bengals will be allowed 6,000 fans at a game. That's not even 10% of the capacity at Paul Brown Stadium which is OUTDOORS. I can only imagine what will be allowed at Cintas Center which is INDOORS - 1,000? 800?

I opted "in" btw.

[paulxu]

Fascinating. At 10 seats between each person, @20"/seat = 16 to 17 feet of space between you and your buddy.

That's some good social distancing.

[coasterville95]

My plan is to opt in and take the inevitable refund when they can’t have fans. Sounds better than paying $100 to get nothing and if I do get to go to a well socially distanced game - that’s a bonus!


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[X-band '01]

Mike DeWine just announced that the Bengals will be allowed 6,000 fans at a game. That's not even 10% of the capacity at Paul Brown Stadium which is OUTDOORS. I can only imagine what will be allowed at Cintas Center which is INDOORS - 1,000? 800?

I opted "in" btw.

Isn't that their typical crowd anyway?

[coasterville95]

It’s worse than that - it’s only 3,000 at 2 specified home games.

So let’s think about this, it’s either safe to go to a game or it isn’t . To say only 2 home games are safe and 14 aren’t - this isn’t about a public health crisis, this is about government overreach and making us as miserable as possible and intentionally tanking the economy and harming people (that would make a living working the games)!


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[coasterville95]

According to item 7, H , I of the state regulations for sports during a pandemic an indoor arena is allowed to have the lesser of 300 or 15% of rated capacity per game.


Yeah forgot the $100 opt out fee I’ll take the state mandated refund

https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/static/publicorders/DO-Sports-First-Amended-08.28.20.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0Y8RdUfZssecbSPUnk6zVSTewG etIezWMCOqB3Rr3Tk9YlThlzrhFoTSE



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[94GRAD]

Since they are requiring space between our friends that sit next to us, as well as the friends that sit a row in front and behind, our group of 14 will be opting out this year. Another negative for us is that the Joseph and Traditions rooms will not be open this year.

[coasterville95]

That would seem to go along with the clause about no congregating pre or post game. I had heard all game hospitality/club areas would probably be closed.


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[X-man]

"It's not rocket science".......well maybe not for most people but you seem to be struggling with it.......just busting your balls brother.

In your original example you arrived at a conclusion (number of games you might be able to attend) based on two variables:

1) GAMES PLAYED - which you assumed to be 18
2) SEATING CAPACITY - which you assumed to be 33%

Based on the aforementioned assumptions you determined that those opting in could attend 6 games.

You failed to include the third variable necessary to accurately assess the situation:

3) SEAT DEMAND

If after the opt in/out process is completed and seat demand is only 2,500 seats (my assumption) then those opting in could attend 100% of the games.

I guess your assumption, given that only 300 seats will be filled under the rules posted below, means that only one-eighth of demand will be filled for each game. Hence a 16 game home season means 2 games; a 10 game home season means 1-2 games.

[Final4]

I guess your assumption, given that only 300 seats will be filled under the rules posted below, means that only one-eighth of demand will be filled for each game. Hence a 16 game home season means 2 games; a 10 game home season means 1-2 games.

Exactly. You need a value for all three variables to determine how many games each person could potentially attend.

[kmcrawfo]

I guess your assumption, given that only 300 seats will be filled under the rules posted below, means that only one-eighth of demand will be filled for each game. Hence a 16 game home season means 2 games; a 10 game home season means 1-2 games.

In case it is helpful, I believe X is currently operating under the assumption that the 300 number includes the players, coaching staff, media, etc. It is my understanding that unless a waiver is given to allow more than 300 in the arena few to no fans will be in attendance. The expectation, thankfully, is there is a relatively high probability of a waiver being received.

[X-man]

I am sad to say that I opted out this morning. It was not a decision that I wanted to make but as a 73-year old (in good health, thankfully), I am not currently comfortable with the thought of sharing an indoor arena with other cheering fans. If something happens to lower the risk, I hope that Athletics will offer people the chance to opt back in. They presumably could do so because lowered risk should be accompanied with increases in the number of fans allowed to attend. Regardless, I am happy that all Xavier games will be televised. Most of my tailgating buddies also opted out, so perhaps we will try to watch the games together if we can do so safely.

[Lamont Sanford]

My buddy who I split tix with and I ultimately made the decision to opt-out this season as well.

[surfxu]

Tough decision to click that opt out link... I've held off, hoping for the best. Little worried about the unsullied and unwashed that sit around me but they have all faired well to this point I am happy to report. The deadline for opting out is this Friday. Sounds like the governor is allowing approx 10% capacity for the epic tilt tonight between the two winless teams in Ohio, but that's outdoors, so I'm not sure if that will translate into indoor facilities. Until then I will continue to mask up.

[Masterofreality]

Tough decision to click that opt out link... I've held off, hoping for the best. Little worried about the unsullied and unwashed that sit around me but they have all faired well to this point I am happy to report. The deadline for opting out is this Friday. Sounds like the governor is allowing approx 10% capacity for the epic tilt tonight between the two winless teams in Ohio, but that's outdoors, so I'm not sure if that will translate into indoor facilities. Until then I will continue to mask up.

Yeah, we opted out as well, after adding one more season seat.

I'm paying the account in full, but no in-person basketball for us this year.

[coasterville95]

I’m still opting in, a lot could happen between now and what, thanksgiving weekend when they start now?

Hey if everybody else lots out maybe I can have all of 104 to myself ;)


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[bjf123]

Well, I just clicked the Opt Out button. [emoji35] This sucks, but I just don’t see a scenario where there will be any meaningful attendance at college basketball games this season. At least I know I’ve already paid for next year! Just curious if what’s been paid this year will secure the same parking for next year. It’s based on AFO amounts during the school’s fiscal year.


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[Muskie]

I did the same thing... it doesn't feel good.

[X-man]

Got an e-mail this morning from Greg Christopher, one that went out to everyone who opted out of this season. We get to choose (by 10/09) among the following five options: full refund, full credit towards the 2021-2022 season, full gift to the All for One Club, gift of the seat license only to the Club, and gift of the ticket payment only to the Club. All but the refund option will get you some Musketeer points, and the full gift or ticket payment only gift options also give you a 25% discount on next year's ticket prices. The seat premium gift and the full credit option will guarantee that next year's prices will be the same as this year's. A full refund has no such guarantee. All in all, Athletics is making a very fair solution to those of us who (sadly) opted out.

[cutterX]

Opted in to see what will happen. Light crowds won't ruin the experience for me.

One of my favorite X game memories was driving to Gardens in snowstorm and cheering on the Muskies in a nearly empty arena. Felt like a survivor of something.

[bobbiemcgee]

I remember that game or one similar. Walked over from my Apt. in Swifton Village but it was wayyyyy back in the Steve Thomas era. Sat in the "Front row".

[bjf123]

I’ll probably let the credit roll to next year and just have those tickets paid for.


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[coasterville95]

That’s what I did for FC Cincy , right now I am still opted in - but if it comes to it I’ll just let it roll to next year


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[Masterofreality]

We opted out of in person this year, but still added one more ticket to our two to make a triple.
Our lovely school still needs the money though, so we Paid our account in full and told X to keep the Money as a Donation. We’ll get 25% off of our season ticket price and our seat license fees next year plus a bunch of Musketeer points.

I know not everyone can do that but consider if you can. It’s tough on schools right now.

[paulxu]

We opted out of in person this year, but still added one more ticket to our two to make a triple.
Our lovely school still needs the money though, so we Paid our account in full and told X to keep the Money as a Donation. We’ll get 25% off of our season ticket price and our seat license fees next year plus a bunch of Musketeer points.

I know not everyone can do that but consider if you can. It’s tough on schools right now.

Props.